1 00:00:00,020 --> 00:00:03,540 Josh: For the last three years, AI has been this disembodied superpower. 2 00:00:03,820 --> 00:00:07,260 Josh: It lives in tabs, it lives in chat windows, you summon it, you type to it, 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,040 Josh: sometimes you even speak to it, it comes and then it vanishes. 4 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:13,060 Josh: It's powerful, but it is trapped behind this glass. 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,580 Josh: And then last week, we have one of the most exciting rumors to pop up in this 6 00:00:16,580 --> 00:00:19,880 Josh: world, which is around OpenAI and their new hardware device offering. 7 00:00:20,220 --> 00:00:23,700 Josh: OpenAI, they partnered with Johnny Ive, who has created devices including, 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,200 Josh: but not limited to, the iPhone, the iPod, the MacBook, basically any hardware 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:29,820 Josh: device that you've used. 10 00:00:30,020 --> 00:00:33,420 Josh: Uh johnny ive has designed it if it's come from apple and what's 11 00:00:33,420 --> 00:00:36,400 Josh: fascinating about this is the rumor isn't telling us 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,320 Josh: that they're going to be choosing glasses everyone's choosing 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,140 Josh: glasses meta has them google's working on them apple's working 14 00:00:42,140 --> 00:00:46,180 Josh: on them but this form factor this time is different and we're going to answer 15 00:00:46,180 --> 00:00:49,960 Josh: the question as to why on this episode and what makes this device so important 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,880 Josh: and different in a world where everyone's seemingly failing right ijaz like 17 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,420 Josh: if i think about all the other companies who have tried to build an ai first 18 00:00:57,420 --> 00:01:00,860 Josh: hardware device they've all been failing miserably. We talked about the Meta Ray-Ban displays. 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,860 Josh: We can't even get our hands on them. The demos are clunky. It doesn't work. 20 00:01:04,020 --> 00:01:06,560 Josh: We have companies like Humane and Rabi. 21 00:01:06,780 --> 00:01:08,780 Josh: And we have another one this week called Pickle. 22 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,660 Josh: And none of them seem to work. So OpenAI is going in a different direction. 23 00:01:12,660 --> 00:01:16,560 Josh: And I kind of want to talk about why they're making this decision to go one 24 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,160 Josh: way when everyone else is going the other. 25 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:24,400 Ejaaz: I think the toll of wasted money on kind of defunct AI hardware products is 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,620 Ejaaz: now surpassing about $10 billion. 27 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:32,340 Ejaaz: It's a mixture of like VC funded crap. And then you've got even the big boys 28 00:01:32,340 --> 00:01:35,720 Ejaaz: like Meta releasing sunglasses, which then suck. 29 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:41,700 Ejaaz: It's pretty insane to think, Josh, that it's been less than a year since OpenAI 30 00:01:41,700 --> 00:01:45,660 Ejaaz: announced their kind of like entry into consumer hardware. 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:54,300 Ejaaz: For folks who don't know, So OpenAI basically acquired Johnny Ives hardware startup called I.O. 32 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:59,040 Ejaaz: For six and a half billion dollars repeatedly, a mixture of cash and equity 33 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,780 Ejaaz: at the time, which was their largest acquisition to date, I still think. 34 00:02:04,580 --> 00:02:08,880 Ejaaz: And there was a lot of speculation and rumors around what that device might 35 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:09,780 Ejaaz: be that they're building. 36 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,000 Ejaaz: And we actually put out an episode early last year, I think it was during May, 37 00:02:14,100 --> 00:02:18,320 Ejaaz: actually, where you and I speculated about what that form factor might look like. 38 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:23,360 Ejaaz: And I remember we settled on two devices, Josh, it was the glasses, 39 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,660 Ejaaz: where they would have like microphones that could like listen to you, 40 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,140 Ejaaz: but also kind of like speakers that could blare audio back to you. 41 00:02:30,500 --> 00:02:34,140 Ejaaz: Obviously, the lenses would act as with like a camera that can kind of see what 42 00:02:34,140 --> 00:02:36,440 Ejaaz: you do. It's kind of like this multimodal type of device. 43 00:02:36,890 --> 00:02:41,270 Ejaaz: And then the alternative was kind of like this puck-shaped disc that could like 44 00:02:41,270 --> 00:02:44,930 Ejaaz: sit on your desk or sit in your pocket that might have eyes and visions. 45 00:02:45,230 --> 00:02:47,830 Ejaaz: We were wrong on both accounts. 46 00:02:48,370 --> 00:02:52,230 Ejaaz: If this leak that we're showing on our screen right now is true. 47 00:02:52,930 --> 00:02:56,250 Ejaaz: So the tweet goes, additional details about OpenAI's device. 48 00:02:56,390 --> 00:03:01,350 Ejaaz: And it goes on to kind of describe this iPod shuffle type device, 49 00:03:01,550 --> 00:03:06,490 Ejaaz: which takes the form of a pen device, which will have a sort of camera. 50 00:03:06,990 --> 00:03:11,390 Ejaaz: Microphone, but kind of like ambient presence in your pocket where you can kind 51 00:03:11,390 --> 00:03:13,170 Ejaaz: of like take out, you can write, 52 00:03:13,510 --> 00:03:17,610 Ejaaz: the device will kind of detect the kind of motion of your hand and understand 53 00:03:17,610 --> 00:03:22,050 Ejaaz: and transcribe those words that are written into your chat GPT interface. 54 00:03:22,330 --> 00:03:27,590 Ejaaz: So there's like this weird link between real life ambient presence and chat 55 00:03:27,590 --> 00:03:30,010 Ejaaz: GPT, which you and I are familiar with today. 56 00:03:30,230 --> 00:03:33,530 Josh: So per that episode last year, we may have been wrong on some things, 57 00:03:33,630 --> 00:03:36,350 Josh: but I don't think we were wrong on all of them and i 58 00:03:36,350 --> 00:03:39,430 Josh: still feel pretty good about the direction that we're heading in so this 59 00:03:39,430 --> 00:03:44,010 Josh: says pen shaped device integrates ai lightweight highly portable about the size 60 00:03:44,010 --> 00:03:48,110 Josh: of an ipod shuffle can be carried in a pocket worn around the neck it'll include 61 00:03:48,110 --> 00:03:52,510 Josh: a microphone and a camera and it'll be able to convert handwritten notes directly 62 00:03:52,510 --> 00:03:56,750 Josh: to text and instantly upload them to chat gpt so if we the the. 63 00:03:56,750 --> 00:03:59,190 Ejaaz: Ipod shuffle by the way for anyone who 64 00:03:59,380 --> 00:04:03,180 Ejaaz: who is not a dinosaur that could get an idea of what this looked like. 65 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:08,400 Josh: So I wanted to include this picture because I think it's important to help understand the form factor. 66 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,380 Josh: I think when a lot of people think about this, and when we first thought about 67 00:04:11,380 --> 00:04:14,800 Josh: it, it was more of a rounded shape just because if you're designing these things 68 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,820 Josh: from first principles, that kind of made sense to put on a desk, right? 69 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,600 Josh: Like if you're designing one of these devices, you want it to see, you want it to hear. 70 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,160 Josh: What materials does that look like? What shape does it have to take? 71 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:26,240 Josh: How do the cameras have to interact with the materials? 72 00:04:26,420 --> 00:04:29,460 Josh: We kind of concluded on this like little round puck 73 00:04:29,460 --> 00:04:32,200 Josh: shape it appears as if the shape is wrong but the sensors are still 74 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,980 Josh: correct it still has the ability to see it still has the 75 00:04:34,980 --> 00:04:39,080 Josh: ability to hear and it still will likely be this always on thing it will just 76 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,840 Josh: come in a form that's maybe a little more wearable as jewelry or fits easier 77 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:47,740 Josh: into your pocket that's what it seems like this is and i took the ipod shuffle 78 00:04:47,740 --> 00:04:51,980 Josh: first generation because ijaz if you notice on that image it actually has a 79 00:04:51,980 --> 00:04:54,720 Josh: little string around it to put around your neck and to wear it. 80 00:04:55,380 --> 00:05:00,480 Josh: So this has actually been done before in the very first generation of the iPod. 81 00:05:00,660 --> 00:05:04,220 Josh: What happens if you take this very portable device and you just add the new 82 00:05:04,220 --> 00:05:07,840 Josh: 21st century technology that wasn't available when this thing first came out? 83 00:05:07,900 --> 00:05:11,660 Josh: You get something that can see, that can hear, that can speak back to you. 84 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,760 Josh: And it creates this really interesting thing. Now we have some renderings of 85 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,600 Josh: what people suspect this will look like. 86 00:05:16,740 --> 00:05:19,780 Josh: Ejaz, how do you imagine this actually plays out when we get it? 87 00:05:20,140 --> 00:05:24,400 Ejaaz: Well, it's really interesting. The number one term that's used to describe this 88 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,680 Ejaaz: new advice since the news came out is pen. 89 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:30,620 Ejaaz: And so the code name for this device, by the way, is Gumdrop. 90 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,300 Ejaaz: The concepts people have drawn up is literally a pen. 91 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:39,580 Ejaaz: And it kind of looks like, Josh, I don't know whether you ever bought one of these junk tech things. 92 00:05:39,740 --> 00:05:42,260 Ejaaz: But do you remember the pens that had a USB-C? 93 00:05:42,620 --> 00:05:45,780 Ejaaz: Sorry, USB-C. A USB stick within them? 94 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,520 Ejaaz: They were like really chunky pens and you could write and then you could unscrew 95 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,620 Ejaaz: the cap and suddenly, wow hey you've got like a memory stick here this kind 96 00:05:52,620 --> 00:05:56,640 Ejaaz: of looks like that and i and i hope it's it's not something like that but i 97 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,280 Ejaaz: i get what they're going for and and here's my take um 98 00:06:00,820 --> 00:06:05,460 Ejaaz: One, I kind of weirdly like that it's not another screen. 99 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:11,360 Ejaaz: I'm tired of like having like a laptop and then a cell phone and then you had like the Apple iWatch. 100 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,760 Ejaaz: There's too many screens involved here. I like that they've gone with a potentially 101 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:20,860 Ejaaz: kind of a non-impactful device that I can just kind of put down and not acknowledge, 102 00:06:21,020 --> 00:06:23,540 Ejaaz: but is still so aware of everything. 103 00:06:23,700 --> 00:06:28,500 Ejaaz: It's consuming maybe audio that I'm ingesting or it's seeing what I'm seeing. 104 00:06:28,500 --> 00:06:30,820 Ejaaz: I quite like the hands-off approach. 105 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,540 Ejaaz: Number two, I like that it's mini. 106 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:40,220 Ejaaz: It's funny. You mentioned that the pen could potentially be on a piece of string 107 00:06:40,220 --> 00:06:42,960 Ejaaz: like we're showing on the screen here with the iPod Shuffle. 108 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:48,660 Ejaaz: It's giving me a friend.com vibes, Josh. Do you remember that device where it's like a pendant? 109 00:06:48,660 --> 00:06:50,400 Josh: I do it a little round circle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 110 00:06:50,700 --> 00:06:53,660 Ejaaz: Exactly. Well, it's like a pendant that goes around your neck. 111 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,440 Ejaaz: I'm kind of hoping it's not going to look like that. it's going to look like 112 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,180 Ejaaz: a weird kind of jade totem crystal type thing. 113 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,640 Ejaaz: But I appreciate that it's going to be non-impactful. 114 00:07:03,180 --> 00:07:09,220 Ejaaz: And then my other thought about this is I like that it is ingesting types of 115 00:07:09,220 --> 00:07:13,660 Ejaaz: data, which I'm not usually focused on. Okay, so what do I mean by that? 116 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,160 Ejaaz: Humans to date have been the processes of information, right? 117 00:07:18,260 --> 00:07:22,360 Ejaaz: So we ingest all of this audio and visual stuff, We process it in our brain, 118 00:07:22,380 --> 00:07:27,360 Ejaaz: and then we stuff it into a laptop or a mobile phone. It comes in the form of text. 119 00:07:27,580 --> 00:07:32,520 Ejaaz: It comes in the form of TikToks that we film or whatever, but it's pre-processed in our human brains. 120 00:07:33,300 --> 00:07:37,340 Ejaaz: What's different with this device is it'll do the processing for us because 121 00:07:37,340 --> 00:07:41,340 Ejaaz: we've built this kind of like AI model already. And that's what's super exciting for me. 122 00:07:41,870 --> 00:07:46,850 Josh: Yeah. If we look at that pen again, I feel like I can say with almost 100% conviction 123 00:07:46,850 --> 00:07:49,030 Josh: that it will not actually be a pen. 124 00:07:49,190 --> 00:07:53,150 Josh: A pen, like if I put myself in Johnny's shoes, a pen is such a horrible form 125 00:07:53,150 --> 00:07:54,750 Josh: factor. There's so many different types of pens. 126 00:07:54,890 --> 00:07:57,370 Josh: There's fountain pens. There's the like different tips for pens. 127 00:07:57,530 --> 00:08:00,650 Josh: There's different inks for pens. There's this huge preference stack that people 128 00:08:00,650 --> 00:08:03,690 Josh: have and feel very strongly about because they've been writing with pens their whole life. 129 00:08:03,910 --> 00:08:08,490 Josh: And trying to cater to those people without creating a huge amount of SKUs that 130 00:08:08,490 --> 00:08:12,090 Josh: satisfy the preferences of each one of these people seems very complicated. 131 00:08:12,090 --> 00:08:13,570 Josh: How do you choose the quality of the ink? 132 00:08:13,650 --> 00:08:17,090 Josh: How do you replace the ink when it goes out? It just adds too much complexity 133 00:08:17,090 --> 00:08:19,370 Josh: to a device that should not be that complex. 134 00:08:19,490 --> 00:08:23,730 Josh: But I think the form factor is probably some hybrid between the pen and the 135 00:08:23,730 --> 00:08:25,350 Josh: iPod shuffle, like a pendant type thing. 136 00:08:25,530 --> 00:08:28,310 Josh: It makes sense. And then we have to talk about like the bet, 137 00:08:28,390 --> 00:08:30,930 Josh: like why are they doing this EJS? And you started touching on parts of that. 138 00:08:31,070 --> 00:08:35,390 Josh: But the idea is that currently the phone is it's intentional computing right now. 139 00:08:35,510 --> 00:08:38,310 Josh: You have to go seek these things out or perhaps they come to you, 140 00:08:38,350 --> 00:08:39,490 Josh: but they come to you in a noisy way. 141 00:08:39,710 --> 00:08:42,590 Josh: Where you go to your phone to send a text message, you go to do a Google search, 142 00:08:42,770 --> 00:08:48,370 Josh: you go to check social media or check whatever algorithm is going to keep you hooked on this device. 143 00:08:49,230 --> 00:08:52,190 Josh: These AI hardware devices, particularly this one without a screen, 144 00:08:52,390 --> 00:08:54,450 Josh: it aims for this ambient computing. 145 00:08:54,710 --> 00:08:57,770 Josh: It's something that's always there. It's always listening. It's always seeing. 146 00:08:57,950 --> 00:09:02,870 Josh: And it's not only waiting to help, but it's proactively seeking ways in which it can help. 147 00:09:03,250 --> 00:09:07,450 Josh: And we've seen this previously through a feature that OpenAI actually released 148 00:09:07,450 --> 00:09:11,590 Josh: in the past called Pulse, where if you remember Pulse, what it does overnight 149 00:09:11,590 --> 00:09:14,110 Josh: is it'll take all the queries that you had from the previous day. 150 00:09:14,210 --> 00:09:17,610 Josh: It'll do some extra research. It'll kind of figure out what you're most likely 151 00:09:17,610 --> 00:09:19,310 Josh: to be curious about the following day. 152 00:09:19,450 --> 00:09:22,630 Josh: And then you wake up in the morning and it'll have all the answers and all of 153 00:09:22,630 --> 00:09:27,270 Josh: these unique facts and things that you didn't know you wanted presented to you first thing. 154 00:09:27,410 --> 00:09:30,450 Josh: And it's this really valuable resource in the first step that they're taking 155 00:09:30,450 --> 00:09:36,890 Josh: towards becoming this predictive ambient AI that knows what you want before you even ask for it. 156 00:09:37,170 --> 00:09:39,770 Josh: Now, a second thing is happening that is confirming these suspicions. 157 00:09:39,910 --> 00:09:43,970 Josh: And it's the company shakeup that's actually happening within OpenAI right now. 158 00:09:43,970 --> 00:09:47,670 Josh: There are recent reports that happened earlier this week, and it talked about 159 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:51,570 Josh: the shakeup that they're doing towards creating a better voice team. 160 00:09:51,890 --> 00:09:55,890 Ejaaz: Yeah, and I think this is the perfect time for a device like this to come out 161 00:09:55,890 --> 00:09:59,270 Ejaaz: because AI models aren't just LLMs anymore. 162 00:09:59,670 --> 00:10:04,550 Ejaaz: They ingest video and produce video. They ingest audio and produce audio to 163 00:10:04,550 --> 00:10:06,090 Ejaaz: a really good quality output. 164 00:10:06,190 --> 00:10:10,090 Ejaaz: I think Google's Gemini is probably the best or the leader here, 165 00:10:10,190 --> 00:10:12,030 Ejaaz: right? They've got VO3 on the video side. 166 00:10:12,470 --> 00:10:16,490 Ejaaz: They have translation AIs and they have one of the best LLMs there is out there. 167 00:10:16,590 --> 00:10:19,450 Ejaaz: And it all kind of combines and melds into this one product, 168 00:10:19,630 --> 00:10:23,910 Ejaaz: into this one model, which can kind of spit out any type of medium for you, right? 169 00:10:24,010 --> 00:10:28,550 Ejaaz: If you had a device that now ingests all of those different types of data that 170 00:10:28,550 --> 00:10:32,210 Ejaaz: is around you, you'll probably end up having a richer AI experience. 171 00:10:32,350 --> 00:10:35,970 Ejaaz: So I think that's what OpenAI is really going for. It's not like this fancy 172 00:10:35,970 --> 00:10:39,830 Ejaaz: device that kind of like does a crazy magic tricks for you. It's kind of like 173 00:10:39,830 --> 00:10:44,590 Ejaaz: an advanced sensor that can speak to you and hear and see the things that you guys see. 174 00:10:44,930 --> 00:10:50,730 Ejaaz: And actually, on that note, a bit of evidence that broke out this week is that 175 00:10:50,730 --> 00:10:53,330 Ejaaz: OpenAI is working on a new voice model. 176 00:10:53,490 --> 00:10:57,510 Ejaaz: And this was leaked by the information where basically, if you've ever used 177 00:10:57,510 --> 00:11:00,410 Ejaaz: ChatGPT or if you're, I don't know if you need to be a pro user to get this. 178 00:11:00,530 --> 00:11:01,790 Ejaaz: I think anyone can actually use it. 179 00:11:02,010 --> 00:11:06,370 Ejaaz: But there's a smart voice mode where you can basically talk to ChatGPT and it 180 00:11:06,370 --> 00:11:10,990 Ejaaz: is really, really good. In fact, there's like zero hesitation between me stopping 181 00:11:10,990 --> 00:11:13,230 Ejaaz: talking and then someone responding for me. 182 00:11:13,330 --> 00:11:16,590 Ejaaz: But then if I interrupt, it kind of there's this awkward interjection where 183 00:11:16,590 --> 00:11:17,850 Ejaaz: it kind of like stops and starts. 184 00:11:18,150 --> 00:11:22,150 Ejaaz: This new voice model is basically going to be like superior as if you're speaking 185 00:11:22,150 --> 00:11:28,690 Ejaaz: to a natural human in normal human tones. But also it'll be perfected for the 186 00:11:28,690 --> 00:11:31,130 Ejaaz: device that they're building and releasing later this year. 187 00:11:31,530 --> 00:11:35,890 Josh: Yeah. So why is 2026 the year of AI hardware? I guess to summarize, 188 00:11:36,230 --> 00:11:38,050 Josh: there's these three converging forces. 189 00:11:38,230 --> 00:11:40,630 Josh: There's, like you mentioned earlier, AI becoming multimodal. 190 00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:42,330 Josh: It has voice, vision, context. 191 00:11:42,570 --> 00:11:44,970 Josh: And the hardware part suddenly makes sense. 192 00:11:45,230 --> 00:11:47,550 Josh: Then there's people who are just tired of screens. 193 00:11:48,250 --> 00:11:51,190 Josh: Everyone is just kind of sick at scrolling. I don't know if they're sick, 194 00:11:51,290 --> 00:11:54,210 Josh: but they're getting sick by scrolling Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, the whole thing. 195 00:11:54,550 --> 00:11:59,530 Josh: It's just screens are very invasive. And there's very few passive ambient technologies 196 00:11:59,530 --> 00:12:01,370 Josh: that don't ask for your attention. 197 00:12:01,590 --> 00:12:05,330 Josh: Instead, they deliver you value. And then three is the distribution plus platform power. 198 00:12:05,550 --> 00:12:11,490 Josh: I mean, the next battle of who owns the AI interface isn't just the model, it's the entire stack. 199 00:12:11,710 --> 00:12:16,510 Josh: It's the, is it used on your mobile apps? Is it used, how do you inject yourself 200 00:12:16,510 --> 00:12:17,770 Josh: into more of these people's lives? 201 00:12:17,830 --> 00:12:20,930 Josh: And I think the distribution and platform power is something that OpenAI has 202 00:12:20,930 --> 00:12:22,150 Josh: a huge advantage when it comes to. 203 00:12:22,810 --> 00:12:27,530 Ejaaz: Josh, how much do you think this, if you had to guess, this device would cost? Yeah. 204 00:12:28,310 --> 00:12:32,550 Josh: I suspect it'll be under $200. And my hope is that it'll be under $100. 205 00:12:33,030 --> 00:12:37,350 Josh: And the reasoning is because OpenAI, I mean, by the time they release this, 206 00:12:37,470 --> 00:12:39,830 Josh: they might have one and a half billion weekly active users. 207 00:12:40,010 --> 00:12:42,770 Josh: It's this astronomically large user base. 208 00:12:43,030 --> 00:12:47,750 Josh: And OpenAI, if no one knows this, they haven't exactly produced hardware in the past. 209 00:12:47,830 --> 00:12:51,470 Josh: They don't have the distribution. They don't have the supply chain that a company 210 00:12:51,470 --> 00:12:55,990 Josh: like Apple has, where they can create tens to hundreds of millions of iPhones every single year. 211 00:12:56,150 --> 00:13:00,490 Josh: So the way you get around this is to dumb down the device to a point in which 212 00:13:00,490 --> 00:13:06,570 Josh: you can manufacture it at scale in a cost-effective way without needing to create any sort of, 213 00:13:07,750 --> 00:13:11,970 Josh: very eccentric frontier technology that is required for production. 214 00:13:12,130 --> 00:13:15,830 Josh: Like with glasses, it's very cutting edge. It's very difficult because it's a hardware problem. 215 00:13:16,190 --> 00:13:21,150 Josh: With OpenAI's device, I suspect they will make the hardware be basically trivial. 216 00:13:21,330 --> 00:13:24,930 Josh: I mean, you just need a few sensors. You need a camera, you need a gyroscope, you need a microphone. 217 00:13:25,230 --> 00:13:28,230 Josh: And the hope is that it will actually be underwhelming to a lot of people. 218 00:13:28,310 --> 00:13:30,770 Josh: When you see the final form, it's probably going to look pretty dumb. 219 00:13:30,930 --> 00:13:33,450 Josh: It's not going to be this crazy, beautiful, fancy device. 220 00:13:33,710 --> 00:13:37,790 Josh: It's just going to be a device that is going to be supercharged by the software 221 00:13:37,790 --> 00:13:40,570 Josh: stack instead of cutting-edge manufacturing techniques on the hardware. 222 00:13:40,570 --> 00:13:43,990 Ejaaz: Well also glasses are super 223 00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:46,730 Ejaaz: imposing on the average user right you're going over the most 224 00:13:46,730 --> 00:13:51,110 Ejaaz: sensitive uh organ of their of their entire body which is like their eyes which 225 00:13:51,110 --> 00:13:54,730 Ejaaz: they use every day right it's very personal whereas the hardware device that 226 00:13:54,730 --> 00:14:00,150 Ejaaz: open air is working on appears hidden yet present if that if that makes sense 227 00:14:00,150 --> 00:14:04,790 Ejaaz: yeah the other point I'll make is it definitely makes sense for it to be cheaper. 228 00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:10,950 Ejaaz: I see this as kind of like how Amazon priced Alexa or Google priced, 229 00:14:11,030 --> 00:14:14,030 Ejaaz: I've forgotten what their hardware device is actually, 230 00:14:14,530 --> 00:14:17,910 Ejaaz: but the point is you want to get this out to as many users as you can and if 231 00:14:17,910 --> 00:14:20,710 Ejaaz: you want to do that you probably need to price it really attractively. 232 00:14:20,930 --> 00:14:25,290 Ejaaz: You're not going to price this like an expensive iPhone, at least in the first 233 00:14:25,290 --> 00:14:26,630 Ejaaz: wave of getting this device. 234 00:14:26,750 --> 00:14:30,610 Ejaaz: You want to get it into as many people hands as possible because the feedback 235 00:14:30,610 --> 00:14:33,310 Ejaaz: loop for OpenAI is they, in return, 236 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:39,520 Ejaaz: all this amazing data, which they can then make a crazy model for the future. So it makes sense. 237 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:45,440 Ejaaz: But Josh, it hasn't prevented people from releasing more smart glasses. 238 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,860 Josh: Nobody learns, man. I swear. And nobody looks at the previous failures and says, 239 00:14:51,060 --> 00:14:53,120 Josh: oh, maybe I shouldn't try that. 240 00:14:53,380 --> 00:14:57,700 Josh: They're just doing the same thing over and over again. And every single time it fails miserably. 241 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,580 Josh: And not to ruin the plot here, but there's a 242 00:15:00,580 --> 00:15:03,860 Josh: new glasses company that was announced this week called pickle 243 00:15:03,860 --> 00:15:06,840 Josh: one the first soul computer they're calling 244 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,600 Josh: it don't ask me what a soul computer what's a soul computer josh 245 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,400 Josh: i have no clue dude they're just trying to market this 246 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,240 Josh: thing and the marketing video was quite good i mean the glasses if you 247 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,700 Josh: ask me they look beautiful on screen we're looking at these kind of futuristic silver 248 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:24,780 Josh: glasses with clear lenses and the demo looked awesome it was this like really 249 00:15:24,780 --> 00:15:29,040 Josh: cool overlay into the real world and it showed you these like like rideshare 250 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,240 Josh: instructions and navigation and it's everything that we dream an augmented reality 251 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:38,100 Josh: device will be the unfortunate reality was is that this demo, 252 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:43,800 Josh: wasn't even a demo it was just kind of this computer graphic imaging to make 253 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,760 Josh: it look like a demo to sell the vision of something that doesn't exist and this 254 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:52,640 Josh: came in the form of this kind of expose if you will you just if you want to 255 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,860 Josh: share the details that came from within this and why in particular, 256 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,180 Josh: this is still an impossibility. 257 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:02,080 Ejaaz: Yeah, so basically this guy called Matthew Dowd, who has been kind of like the 258 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:07,960 Ejaaz: most vocal opponent to this Pickle 1 announcement, which got everyone excited, 259 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:11,860 Ejaaz: basically pointed out some simple things, which is like, huh, 260 00:16:12,020 --> 00:16:15,160 Ejaaz: in theory, if you wanted to create a pair of glasses that look like this, 261 00:16:15,340 --> 00:16:18,780 Ejaaz: you would need to get the costs of these components down 262 00:16:19,530 --> 00:16:24,550 Ejaaz: Five to 10x from what it is currently today. So he kind of basically pushed 263 00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:28,490 Ejaaz: back, he found some inaccuracies on the website versus what the founder was 264 00:16:28,490 --> 00:16:32,330 Ejaaz: also pitching in his demo video as well, and vocally on X. 265 00:16:32,570 --> 00:16:36,510 Ejaaz: So he these kind of discrepancies plus his expertise in hardware basically pointed 266 00:16:36,510 --> 00:16:39,270 Ejaaz: out that this pickle device is probably not real. 267 00:16:39,270 --> 00:16:43,270 Ejaaz: And it points towards a team that hasn't really figured out how they're going 268 00:16:43,270 --> 00:16:47,570 Ejaaz: to build these glasses. And this kind of like, reflects a lot of the conversation 269 00:16:47,570 --> 00:16:51,730 Ejaaz: you and I have had on AI hardware glasses, Josh, which is in concept, 270 00:16:51,730 --> 00:16:53,590 Ejaaz: in theory, it sounds great. 271 00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:58,250 Ejaaz: And Meta has probably been the only company that's got the closest to putting 272 00:16:58,250 --> 00:17:00,010 Ejaaz: out something that is actually real. 273 00:17:00,290 --> 00:17:05,110 Ejaaz: Although we saw that transpire really badly in real time on stage when they 274 00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:09,550 Ejaaz: demoed the product and three out of five of their demos completely flopped. 275 00:17:09,650 --> 00:17:12,490 Ejaaz: And the ones that did work also kind of sucked. 276 00:17:12,650 --> 00:17:15,590 Ejaaz: So it's not really useful for you and we don't think it's 277 00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:18,910 Ejaaz: practical or i don't think it's practical right now to be able to build something 278 00:17:18,910 --> 00:17:24,090 Ejaaz: like this now has this random dude in south korea uh calling his product pickle 279 00:17:24,090 --> 00:17:30,190 Ejaaz: pulled it out the bag maybe um he's kind of quoted to use a snapdragon processor 280 00:17:30,190 --> 00:17:35,110 Ejaaz: which is a qualcomm based chip uh maybe he's figured something out um 281 00:17:35,700 --> 00:17:38,400 Ejaaz: From the visual side of things, Josh, I don't know about you, 282 00:17:38,500 --> 00:17:40,000 Ejaaz: but I don't really like the look of this. 283 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,780 Ejaaz: It's giving a Google Glass version one, which is funny because Google Glass 284 00:17:44,780 --> 00:17:48,280 Ejaaz: is supposedly going to be releasing their V2 sometime this quarter as well. 285 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:49,280 Ejaaz: Excited to see what this is. 286 00:17:49,620 --> 00:17:52,400 Ejaaz: Now, to kind of like put my other hat on this, Josh, like, listen, 287 00:17:52,540 --> 00:17:57,160 Ejaaz: I'm not going to buy Pickle. I've been burned already with the Vets for Brakepads display. 288 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:02,820 Ejaaz: But why do you think so many companies are focused on building glasses. 289 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,740 Ejaaz: Like, it seems kind of weird that you have like, what, four, 290 00:18:07,060 --> 00:18:11,600 Ejaaz: five major companies and some startups focusing solely on the visual aspect 291 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,080 Ejaaz: on these glasses form factor. 292 00:18:13,220 --> 00:18:16,300 Ejaaz: We even speculated that that's the most likely probable device. 293 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,340 Ejaaz: And then you have OpenAI kind of going with this pendant approach. 294 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:23,760 Ejaaz: Like, do you think both companies or both approaches are wrong or one is more right than the other? 295 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,000 Josh: I actually think both approaches are right. I think the timing is wrong. 296 00:18:28,180 --> 00:18:31,980 Josh: And I actually, I shared one of the posts that I shared because it made sense 297 00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:36,660 Josh: when you build hardware, there's, you can win on two merits, right? 298 00:18:36,740 --> 00:18:40,160 Josh: You have either manufacturing innovation or software novelty. 299 00:18:40,260 --> 00:18:44,500 Josh: And if you don't have one of those two things, your competitors become Apple, 300 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:50,220 Josh: Google, Meta, OpenAI, who's trying to build this manufacturing innovation themselves. 301 00:18:50,540 --> 00:18:53,420 Josh: So Pickle is unfortunately coming with neither of those things. 302 00:18:53,540 --> 00:18:57,400 Josh: It has no breakthrough manufacturing techniques? Or does it have any software 303 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:58,460 Josh: novelty that creates this. 304 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,980 Josh: Amazingly magical experience. So therefore, they're competing directly with 305 00:19:02,980 --> 00:19:06,960 Josh: Meta, directly with Apple on supply chains that they very much have a monopoly 306 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,240 Josh: on when it comes to the cutting edge, when it comes to these two nanometer chips 307 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,620 Josh: that are so small, and they're the only things that are possible for glasses. 308 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,140 Josh: The problem is that they just don't have that. 309 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,400 Josh: OpenAI, on the other hand, is taking the opposite approach. They are taking 310 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:24,480 Josh: the non-elegant or perhaps non-complex hardware approach in hopes that they 311 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,640 Josh: will have unbelievable software novelty. 312 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,180 Josh: They'll give you this tiny little device. It's not going to look that flashy, 313 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,760 Josh: but the idea is that the software behind it will be so impressive that it will 314 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,140 Josh: stand out amongst the pack. 315 00:19:35,220 --> 00:19:38,580 Josh: It's very clear to me, and I think everyone, that glasses are a form factor 316 00:19:38,580 --> 00:19:41,420 Josh: of the future, and they have a very promising future. 317 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,140 Josh: It's just the technology to manufacture them at scale, at a quality that is 318 00:19:45,140 --> 00:19:49,520 Josh: acceptable to the average user, is not there, nor will it be there really soon. 319 00:19:49,660 --> 00:19:50,980 Josh: It's very difficult technology. 320 00:19:51,140 --> 00:19:53,860 Josh: There's a lot of complex problems to solve, and it's very expensive to solve 321 00:19:53,860 --> 00:19:55,800 Josh: them. So I don't feel good about it. 322 00:19:56,020 --> 00:20:01,240 Ejaaz: It's funny. I think my major takeaway from this discussion with you is the only 323 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,660 Ejaaz: thing that's certain is the uncertainty of the next few years and what these 324 00:20:05,660 --> 00:20:06,660 Ejaaz: devices are going to look like. 325 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,520 Ejaaz: We are just going to be in uncharted territory, and it's going to take a few 326 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,240 Ejaaz: different versions of these devices to kind of nail it. 327 00:20:13,380 --> 00:20:18,800 Ejaaz: Because let's be frank, AI models aren't at their end form right now, right? 328 00:20:18,860 --> 00:20:21,400 Ejaaz: We're going from LLMs to these kind of weird voice. 329 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,220 Ejaaz: And now, oh, wait, it's spitting out video and Nano Banana from Google can edit 330 00:20:25,220 --> 00:20:30,020 Ejaaz: images. And we've got to combine and package all of these multimodal types of 331 00:20:30,020 --> 00:20:34,520 Ejaaz: things into a singular experience. And that's going to be aided by some kind of a device. 332 00:20:34,700 --> 00:20:37,800 Ejaaz: Now, we can speculate all we want about whether it's going to be glasses or 333 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,300 Ejaaz: whether it's going to be some kind of puck device or a pendant. 334 00:20:41,020 --> 00:20:45,540 Ejaaz: We don't know. And I'm just excited that these companies are investing billions 335 00:20:45,540 --> 00:20:48,260 Ejaaz: of dollars to try and figure this problem out, because I think it's going to 336 00:20:48,260 --> 00:20:49,960 Ejaaz: be the cell phone moment. 337 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,520 Ejaaz: I think it's going to be the PC moment and I cannot wait to live through all three of those, right? 338 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,980 Ejaaz: It's going to be kind of technology supercharged. But listen, 339 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:02,720 Ejaaz: I do have one request, Josh. What's that? As long as it doesn't look like this. 340 00:21:03,250 --> 00:21:08,410 Ejaaz: As long as it doesn't look like some kind of pin device that I slap on my shirt 341 00:21:08,410 --> 00:21:11,630 Ejaaz: and that I have to hold my hand out. Do you remember the humane pin? 342 00:21:12,030 --> 00:21:15,890 Josh: Yeah, to quote Marques Brownlee, the worst product I've ever reviewed. 343 00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:21,030 Josh: To me, the form factor here actually isn't the problem. And I think we do have 344 00:21:21,030 --> 00:21:24,090 Josh: a pretty clear view of what the form of these things is going to look like. 345 00:21:24,370 --> 00:21:29,650 Josh: We will have glasses. We will have this pendant shaped thing. We will have a TV. 346 00:21:29,850 --> 00:21:34,210 Josh: We will have a desktop device, a countertop device. The reality is, is it's distributed. 347 00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:38,010 Josh: It becomes a suite of devices. The wild card, the thing that is most exciting 348 00:21:38,010 --> 00:21:42,350 Josh: is how these devices actually deliver value to us. 349 00:21:42,610 --> 00:21:46,510 Josh: Like if we look at the Humane Pin, the reason why it was so bad isn't because 350 00:21:46,510 --> 00:21:50,090 Josh: the idea was bad. It was because the actual execution was so poor. 351 00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:52,730 Josh: It's that the hardware was kind of clunky. 352 00:21:53,030 --> 00:21:56,250 Josh: The software didn't actually deliver any real value. It took so much longer 353 00:21:56,250 --> 00:21:59,510 Josh: than your iPhone to generate the value that you wanted to extract from it. 354 00:21:59,630 --> 00:22:04,290 Josh: But if it actually delivered on the promises it made, I would have had one on my shirt right now. 355 00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:08,250 Josh: It would have been the best device there is. So the problem is it's a combination 356 00:22:08,250 --> 00:22:11,510 Josh: of both things. And we see it here again with the Rabbit R1. 357 00:22:11,670 --> 00:22:13,830 Josh: Oh my gosh, I almost forgot about this. Throwback. 358 00:22:14,190 --> 00:22:18,730 Ejaaz: Yeah, this was a device that was released in 2024 and kind of like projected 359 00:22:18,730 --> 00:22:23,190 Ejaaz: a lot of the concepts that we are talking about and discussing right now, 360 00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:28,590 Ejaaz: but in a really mundane and kind of like analog way. 361 00:22:29,310 --> 00:22:32,590 Ejaaz: It flopped. It ended up not becoming a thing. or I think maybe they're releasing 362 00:22:32,590 --> 00:22:37,490 Ejaaz: version two, but I get your point, Josh. 363 00:22:37,770 --> 00:22:40,110 Ejaaz: I think, I guess the way I think about it is 364 00:22:41,140 --> 00:22:45,900 Ejaaz: The end form is going to be chips in our brain. 365 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:49,600 Ejaaz: And I know that sounds probably insane to a lot of you listening to this, 366 00:22:49,740 --> 00:22:55,380 Ejaaz: but it makes sense that like the human brain becomes the kind of end goal for 367 00:22:55,380 --> 00:22:56,620 Ejaaz: what a computer will be, right? 368 00:22:56,940 --> 00:23:01,060 Ejaaz: Instead of relying on glasses and mechanical hardware, we just use our own eyes 369 00:23:01,060 --> 00:23:03,720 Ejaaz: or an artificial brain that works with our brain. 370 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,420 Ejaaz: So kind of like a human robot or human computer hybrid. 371 00:23:07,420 --> 00:23:14,180 Ejaaz: And so any kind of device that acts as a sensor to input and augment any kind 372 00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:19,380 Ejaaz: of information that we ingest that isn't just words, it could be audio, 373 00:23:19,780 --> 00:23:23,580 Ejaaz: it could be video, it could be any other form factor, makes sense. 374 00:23:23,860 --> 00:23:26,340 Ejaaz: And so I don't know whether it'll be a suite of these things. 375 00:23:26,460 --> 00:23:28,100 Ejaaz: It probably will be a suite of devices, I guess. 376 00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:32,520 Ejaaz: Maybe OpenAI becomes the sole supplier to all of these, or maybe we just buy 377 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,520 Ejaaz: a bunch of devices from all different kinds of things. 378 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,980 Ejaaz: I don't see the latter playing out because to your earlier point, 379 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,660 Ejaaz: you kind of want the distribution and the platform if you want to own that kind 380 00:23:42,660 --> 00:23:44,040 Ejaaz: of cohesive experience. 381 00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:47,240 Ejaaz: So, you know, maybe this is the first of many devices from OpenAI. 382 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,100 Josh: Yeah, it requires like a fundamental rethinking of the word device. 383 00:23:52,260 --> 00:23:56,600 Josh: Like if I could imagine what the future of this looks like, it actually becomes 384 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,740 Josh: inverted where the device is the AI. 385 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,820 Josh: It's the intelligence. and the intelligence is this modular thing that manifests 386 00:24:02,820 --> 00:24:06,180 Josh: itself through a suite of devices that's always around you. 387 00:24:06,450 --> 00:24:09,190 Josh: When you wear this pendant around your neck, 388 00:24:09,310 --> 00:24:12,990 Josh: it has the same exact context window as the TV on your screen, 389 00:24:12,990 --> 00:24:16,710 Josh: which is connected to the small desktop thing on your desk, which is connected 390 00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:20,270 Josh: to the display in your kitchen that is your like heads up display. 391 00:24:20,350 --> 00:24:22,350 Josh: It's all one universal thing. 392 00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:24,810 Josh: And the actual product becomes the hardware. 393 00:24:25,030 --> 00:24:27,890 Josh: It becomes your preference stack within that AI. 394 00:24:28,150 --> 00:24:32,490 Josh: So it really understands you deeply. And I think that is the way that we remove 395 00:24:32,490 --> 00:24:36,370 Josh: ourselves from the screens is by just putting this intelligence all around us. 396 00:24:36,450 --> 00:24:37,810 Josh: That's why it's considered ambient. 397 00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:41,470 Josh: It's because it's always there. It's always around us. And this OpenAI device 398 00:24:41,470 --> 00:24:46,610 Josh: is the first iteration of what that could look like, physically manifested as a product. 399 00:24:47,050 --> 00:24:51,130 Josh: So that's kind of it. That's where we're at. I'm hoping that they're going to 400 00:24:51,130 --> 00:24:53,930 Josh: release this thing or tease this thing sometime this year. 401 00:24:54,190 --> 00:24:57,450 Josh: It's moving slow, but progress is being made. And we were finally starting to 402 00:24:57,450 --> 00:25:00,430 Josh: get some leaks, which means it's at least going into tooling. 403 00:25:00,610 --> 00:25:02,390 Josh: They're figuring out where they want to manufacture it. 404 00:25:02,830 --> 00:25:06,470 Josh: Things are happening here. And I'm really excited for them to happen in a big way. Thank you. 405 00:25:06,780 --> 00:25:11,600 Ejaaz: Yeah, I think optimistically, we're going to see what this device release might 406 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,560 Ejaaz: look like, I think in Q3 or Q4 of this year, which would be crazy. 407 00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:20,260 Ejaaz: They're already engaged in manufacturing contracts with Foxconn in Vietnam. 408 00:25:20,620 --> 00:25:25,680 Ejaaz: And rumors say that they also might be building a manufacturing plant in the US as well. 409 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,100 Ejaaz: The reason why it was delayed in the first place, fun fact, was because it was in China. 410 00:25:29,260 --> 00:25:32,740 Ejaaz: And as you know, America doesn't really get along with China of right now, 411 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,020 Ejaaz: especially in this AI race. So it's important to have everything onshore. 412 00:25:36,420 --> 00:25:40,560 Ejaaz: But yeah, that is it. I cannot wait to get my hands on one of these devices, Josh. 413 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,760 Ejaaz: We have been speculating about this stuff for six months now. 414 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:48,920 Ejaaz: And it would be nice to get a device in our hands that we can kind of like play 415 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:55,000 Ejaaz: around with and maybe even bring onto the show and augment this entire experience for you guys. 416 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,640 Josh: That is it. I have two hopes for this year. 417 00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:02,120 Josh: One of them is that we get to see what this open AI device is. 418 00:26:02,460 --> 00:26:05,260 Josh: The second one is that we get a good pair of glasses. My God. 419 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,400 Josh: Can someone please make a good pair of glasses? 420 00:26:07,660 --> 00:26:10,660 Ejaaz: Google Glass 2. I don't care who makes it. I'm holding out. I don't care who makes it. 421 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,380 Josh: Make it good. Make it so that I can put it on my face. I want so badly to wear 422 00:26:14,380 --> 00:26:16,120 Josh: glasses, but every product sucks. 423 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,480 Josh: So whatever we've got to do, figure it out, deploy those. Those are the two 424 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,560 Josh: things I will be stoked in the world of AI hardware. 425 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,400 Josh: If we get glasses and this ambient device from OpenAI. 426 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,540 Josh: But that's the hardware update. That's what's going on. Now you know about as 427 00:26:28,540 --> 00:26:31,800 Josh: much as we do, about as much as everybody except for Sam and Johnny, 428 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,460 Josh: who are in the lab, hopefully cooking up something remarkable. 429 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,940 Josh: And we'll just, we'll stay up to date with all these things as always. 430 00:26:38,300 --> 00:26:40,200 Josh: And see you guys in the next episode. 431 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,980 Ejaaz: Don't forget to like and subscribe, turn on the notifications, 432 00:26:44,340 --> 00:26:46,440 Ejaaz: subscribe to our newsletter, all of those things, please. 433 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:49,480 Ejaaz: Lots more information coming to you pretty soon. See you folks.