MUSIC 0:01 "I'm Mike Walker". "I'm David Patrick". "We are DADS on Books" "I'm online". "DADS ON Books "Too many Slayer" But we are DADS on Books. We're addicted to books, we sit on books, and we even talk about books. "Welcome to another episode, though" "DADS ON BOCKS" -ISH MIKE 0:21 And here we are on another episode. David, how are you? DAVID 0:25 I'm fine, Mike. How are you? MIKE 0:28 I am peachy DAVID 0:30 Excellent MIKE 0:31 So, just before this, we spent 40 minutes talking about random things, and hopefully some of those things end up on the show because there were some funny things. DAVID 0:43 That's right, and as we were saying those funny things were like, nope. Save it for the show, and I thought, hey, let's start the show. MIKE 0:51 I have to apologize because I will not remember a single thing that Oh, but I'll remember it when I go back and edit, and I'm sitting there going, oh, oh, I should have talked about Dan Gutman's book Skunk in the trunk. I mean, Skunk in the Bunk. DAVID 1:12 and then of course, MIKE 1:13 Yep, DAVID 1:13 you do know that when you press the button to stop recording, that automatically makes you remember everything that you wanted to say that you didn't. MIKE 1:20 Oh, I wonder why that happened every time. DAVID 1:25 Every time. It is related to technology that Blockbuster video used to have. They have those big security things in the door, and they made you think that those were to prevent you from stealing video tapes. MIKE 1:37 Right. DAVID 1:38 It actually your brain so that when you walk in you forgot what was that movie I wanted to watch, and like a zombie you just put your arms out and walk to new releases, new releases. Same MIKE 1:50 erased DAVID 1:51 technology, a little known fact that is absolutely not true. MIKE 1:54 I believe they used that in the men black movies also, and also on the show Phinneas and Ferb. But going back to the first reference you made, which was to Blockbuster? DAVID 2:10 Yes. MIKE 2:12 I have to bring up a funny story. I got this text from my friend Rob, David has never met Rob, but has heard his music because we played at the beginning of every show. DAVID 2:24 I MIKE 2:25 And DAVID 2:25 can't MIKE 2:25 Rob DAVID 2:26 wait to hear this, Rob. MIKE 2:28 is just a nice guy, and very funny. We have a great time working together. So I got this text. Funny story. I was walking around doing stuff in our house this morning. They just bought a new house and are finally moving in after three months of working DAVID 2:44 Wow. MIKE 2:44 on it. And I I heard a voice. I immediately thought I was going crazy. But then I realized this, and he sends me a picture of the page where it shows our episode of last week into the big DAVID 3:02 Little MIKE 3:02 woods. DAVID 3:03 the big MIKE 3:04 Oh. DAVID 3:04 woods. MIKE 3:04 So it just cut off part of it. DAVID 3:06 Didn't MIKE 3:07 it? I'm like in the big woods. DAVID 3:10 use MIKE 3:10 I don't remember DAVID 3:11 Into MIKE 3:11 that. DAVID 3:11 the big woods? MIKE 3:12 Yeah. Into the big DAVID 3:13 Into MIKE 3:13 woods. DAVID 3:14 the big woods. Into the big woods. MIKE 3:15 big woods. DAVID 3:16 Hmhm MIKE 3:16 He then says, "then I realized this was playing in my pocket. So now I have to rewind it to start again from the beginning." He said, "Thank God it's not a Cassette." And I said, "I know right. All those times I got hit with rewind fees at Blockbuster." DAVID 3:33 Oh MIKE 3:33 I DAVID 3:34 wow. MIKE 3:34 miss tapes. DAVID 3:35 That's awesome. MIKE 3:37 That is a long, long story for getting something about Blockbuster in there. So Blockbuster if you're still around, we're still pissed about our DAVID 3:49 You MIKE 3:49 fees. DAVID 3:51 add the interest to that and we're all millionaires. MIKE 3:53 Holy DAVID 3:55 You're probably going to fix some of this in post, Mike, but we're." MIKE 3:58 I might. DAVID 3:58 Four MIKE 3:58 might. DAVID 3:59 and a half minutes into our recording. So why don't we talk about the book that we read for today's episode? MIKE 4:05 Let's. DAVID 4:06 And I'm gonna let you introduce it because I had never heard it. MIKE 4:10 true. DAVID 4:11 That's it. MIKE 4:11 On the end of our last episode, I brought this book up. You had never heard of it. Which I should just cut all that out. So that is right. You've never heard of This book is called Sleeping Cutie by Andrea Davis Pinkney, illya-straded by Brian Pinkney. DAVID 4:32 They MIKE 4:33 have the same last name. DAVID 4:34 Yeah, it doesn't say no relations. So we're going assume that they're related. MIKE 4:38 Well, that I did research DAVID 4:40 Of course, and... MIKE 4:40 They are related by marriage. DAVID 4:42 They are. Okay. So one of them married the other. MIKE 4:45 Yes, exactly. DAVID 4:46 not sure whom, but one of them married other. MIKE 4:47 One of them married the other, yes. DAVID 4:47 Got it. MIKE 4:53 So this book Sleeping Cutie, we read this a lot, because we just had a lot of fun with it. Uh, it's obviously a 'going to sleep' book, uh, which is always good when you have kids that... 'Will go to sleep?' DAVID 5:10 'Keep requiring a loud.' MIKE 5:11 So we read this several times, several, probably hundred times. DAVID 5:16 [laughs] MIKE 5:17 Both Stella and Ruby, DAVID 5:18 Okay. MIKE 5:19 because we really liked it, or I really liked it. I don't know if anybody else read it. DAVID 5:24 Did either of the girls really like it? MIKE 5:27 Oh, they loved it. DAVID 5:27 Okay. MIKE 5:28 They loved it, because, uh, later in the, in the book, or actually, it's not even that later in the book, it's like two pages later than I was looking at. Um, "hollered loud enough to rattle the window of blinds. I'M NOT TIRED!" DAVID 5:46 [laughs] MIKE 5:47 I, I just put everything I could, and pulled back just a hair, so that I wouldn't wake them up too much more. DAVID 5:55 Right, you don't want to get them riled up when you're reading a book about going to sleep. MIKE 5:59 Which was the problem? Because, of course, I got them riled up. DAVID 6:02 Oh, sure. MIKE 6:03 And then they didn't want to go to sleep? DAVID 6:05 Yup. MIKE 6:05 And then whole point of the book was ruined. DAVID 6:07 And your wife probably got mad. MIKE 6:10 And then, oddly, I just found this book after, you know, uh, 13 years of it being missing. Huh. DAVID 6:18 Interesting. MIKE 6:19 Huh. DAVID 6:19 How did that work? MIKE 6:20 Kim, I think we're gonna have to have a talk. DAVID 6:22 Uh-oh. That's awesome. MIKE 6:25 But it, it, it really is a fun book. DAVID 6:27 It is. MIKE 6:28 Do you have any impressions of it? DAVID 6:30 So, I was a little skeptical at first. MIKE 6:33 Okay. DAVID 6:34 But then, as usual, when you recommend MUSIC 6:37 [hums] DAVID 6:38 and I open my MUSIC 6:39 [hums] DAVID 6:39 mind. MIKE 6:40 Open your mind.. DAVID 6:41 My mind has been... MUSIC 6:43 [hums] DAVID 6:44 When I do that, I can never go astray. And I really did enjoy it. And I think I enjoyed it. No, correction. I know I enjoyed it for two reasons. One, the art is really fun. It's just, it's very colorful and actually I enjoyed it for three reasons. Number two, I enjoyed it because as a parent of children, boy was I there. MIKE 7:08 Oh, yeah. DAVID 7:08 Like, why are you tired so much throughout the day at different points when we have to do things we have to do? And then it's time to go to bed, you're not tired. So that is a universal parent thing. And so, especially at the beginning when the parents are trying all these different things, including a foot rub. MIKE 7:26 Yes, I might fall asleep at that, but probably not. DAVID 7:29 Yes, well, I would, as a parent giving the foot rub and the kids like, wait, other foot. Oh, yeah, sorry. What, what's my name? MIKE 7:34 Uh-oh, uh-uh. I relaxing so much. I fell asleep on your feet. Boy, you have stinky feet. DAVID 7:43 So, yeah, so I did really enjoy it, but I still don't fully get like, is it her imagination? Is it, the owl is real? All these things. So I wanted to ask, you know, MIKE 7:57 I think with any story, there has to be a little bit of a suspension of disbelief. DAVID 8:05 Yes, yeah, you're right. MIKE 8:06 So I would question the same thing as you, and I'm sure that. I am actually positive that I did. And I just decided it doesn't really matter because in the end, it's just a fun story that helps Cutie get to sleep. DAVID 8:29 Yes, that's a good point. MIKE 8:31 And on, I just have to say on the artwork in this, obviously there's no page numbers because, you know, it's a kid's book and nobody wants to tell kids what page we're on. Might distract. Might distract. Don't put a number on the page. DAVID 8:50 For page, you have to reference a page. MIKE 8:52 But actually, I kind of like this page in particular. "Most mornings, Cutie woke up, she was bright eyed as the day. But Cutie's mother and father? They were beat." And I love this picture because they're in their kitchen, nook with the table having coffee. And dad has his glasses off with his head on the table. DAVID 9:16 Oh, yeah. MIKE 9:17 And mom has got her head her hand. Like just, I know I felt that way so many times. DAVID 9:23 Yes. MIKE 9:24 And when I was looking at this, I was like, "Hmm, I wonder if those are kind of self-portraits, or not self-portrait. Brian would be self-portrait." DAVID 9:35 Because he's the illya-strator. MIKE 9:36 I wonder if that's them and their daughter. Although I did research, but I didn't actually think to look to see if they had kids. DAVID 9:46 Oh, that's good point. Because one thing I've noticed a lot of our favorite authors didn't have kids. MIKE 9:51 Yeah, it's interesting. DAVID 9:52 Yeah, you know, it's, uh, uh, the- the Theodore Geisel, otherwise known as Dr. Seuss, or Richard Scarry, neither of them had kids. They were married in decades, to the same person, but never had kids. MIKE 10:01 Never had kids? DAVID 10:03 Uh, part of me would think that they did, or do, uh, the Pinkneys. MIKE 10:07 um, DAVID 10:08 because it's oh, like you'd look at this and go, oh, yeah, they totally get it, but you don't have to totally get it to get it. You'll have to have experienced it to get it. MIKE 10:17 Right. I would think that, especially when you're younger in your parenting, and you don't have as many friends, like, you know, if Out of college, DAVID 10:28 mm-hmm. MIKE 10:29 and, or out of high school, wherever you're out of, DAVID 10:33 [laughter] MIKE 10:34 and you get married, and then you have kids, and none of your friends have kids. DAVID 10:39 Yes. MIKE 10:40 They're all experiencing it as well, because they're like, "Why are you so tired?" Like, what? Oh, you got a kid that keeps you up half the night. Oh, that's like, do I really want to have kids? Hmm. DAVID 10:55 Yep. MIKE 10:55 Yeah, I do. But, um... DAVID 10:56 Worth it, but, yeah. MIKE 10:57 Yeah, totally worth it. Well... [laughter] DAVID 11:02 Anyway, moving right along? MIKE 11:04 Moving right along, chick-a-boom, chick-a-boom, DAVID 11:07 chick-a-boom. Boom, chick-a-chick-a-boom. MIKE 11:09 So, that was... but I do love the artwork, because she is always moving, and the pencil lines show that. It just is, I just love his style in this book. DAVID 11:27 I do, too. And another thing I love about his style... I'm looking on the... Page where they offer her milk, and they give MIKE 11:34 Yep. DAVID 11:34 her a bath, and the foot rub. As I was reading the book, I thought, "Wait, how many other books show three or four different scenes on one page?" MIKE 11:44 Yeah. DAVID 11:44 And there's no, like, lines, like, a comic book would have. There's no frames. MIKE 11:48 Right. DAVID 11:49 But, it's just the placement of the words, and this is perfectly chosen, because they tried this, and this, and this, and this. And yeah, you'd put that on one page. I thought that was really cool. MIKE 11:58 Yeah. And the next page is "Similar- Ish." It shows her doing a bunch of stuff. All things that you would do, if you didn't want to go to sleep. DAVID 12:08 Totally. MIKE 12:09 I love that she's jump-roping. DAVID 12:11 That's brilliant. MIKE 12:12 That kind of reminds me when we lived in L. A. When we first moved there, we were in an apartment. Not too far from you. DAVID 12:20 I remember it well, MIKE 12:21 is where you and I became friends. Really, friends? DAVID 12:26 we became friends in Chicago before that, but you're right. MIKE 12:29 Well, Now, we met in Chicago. DAVID 12:32 Yes. MIKE 12:32 But we didn't really hang out much. We knew each other through Kim. DAVID 12:38 Right. MIKE 12:38 But, like, when we hung out, it was because you and Kim were friends. DAVID 12:43 Right. Oh, that makes sense. But you and I started hanging out on our own accord in LA. MIKE 12:48 Yes, because Kim was tired one night, and it was like, "I don't feel like going. You go." I'm like, "Okay, cool." And then we went to the place that was right behind your house. DAVID 13:02 Was it the bar? MIKE 13:03 It was the Mexican bar, and they had, like, face masks of the Mexican wrestlers. DAVID 13:11 El Carme! MIKE 13:11 El Carmen! DAVID 13:12 Oh. Is that right? MIKE 13:13 Yes. Is that it? DAVID 13:14 I don't know. MIKE 13:15 That DAVID 13:15 It MIKE 13:15 might be. DAVID 13:15 was on third. MIKE 13:16 Yeah. DAVID 13:17 Yeah. So that was the first time we kind of bonded without Kim. MIKE 13:20 I think so. I mean, we bonded. DAVID 13:22 Sure. MIKE 13:23 We bonded as, you know, you and Kim friends. Obviously, you and I will become friends. But that was, I think I remember the night that that happened. And we were just, we met over there. It was close to your house, and I walked the, you know, three blocks or so. It was so tired when I got there. I needed a margarita. DAVID 13:45 They had good margaritas. MIKE 13:52 They were, and we just sat and talked for, like, hours. DAVID 13:51 Wow. MIKE 13:52 And, and then I remember having to figure out how to walk home. DAVID 13:56 Let me ask you a question, MIKE 13:57 because it was three blocks and there was no Uber or Lyft. what? DAVID 14:03 So let me ask you a question. What street did you live on in LA? MIKE 14:06 We lived on. DAVID 14:07 Was it LaJolla? MIKE 14:08 No. DAVID 14:09 Sweetzer, MIKE 14:10 that's it. DAVID 14:10 Y'all were on Sweetzer. MIKE 14:11 Yeah. I can't believe I couldn't come up with. DAVID 14:13 I'm cheating. MIKE 14:14 Sweetzer and then Sycamore. DAVID 14:16 I'm cheating. MIKE 14:17 Yeah. I know. That's, I'm glad that you were, DAVID 14:20 because, yeah. Because MIKE 14:20 I was like, Oh, I know. DAVID 14:23 Here's on cheating. I'm looking at El Carmen. It is a colorful Cantina with Mexican So it's still there. It opens at five MIKE 14:30 on third. DAVID 14:31 It's on third and MIKE 14:32 oh my gosh. DAVID 14:33 It's half a block from LaJolla, then Harper, then, Sweeter, I was hoping you lived on LaJolla so I could say Mike. It was around the corner, but no, you're right. You had to stumble three blocks. MIKE 14:42 Yeah. DAVID 14:42 But so did I. MIKE 14:43 You were around the corner. DAVID 14:44 No. Well- Ish. Uh, but, no, because for me, I had to go up a block and then across the long blocks to Crescent Heights, past Edinburgh, to 7-9-3-7-Blackburn, golly. Anyway, the point is, yeah, fun. You, me MIKE 15:01 Fun. It was a lot of fun, and who knew, days later we'd be recording a podcast together? DAVID 15:12 Just days. MIKE 15:12 Days. Just took us 25 years to figure that out. DAVID 15:15 OK, MIKE 15:15 And now, here we are. Dad's DAVID 15:17 on boom. Dad's on the... we are late bloomers, but you know what? MIKE 15:20 We bloomed. MUSIC 15:20 [hums] DAVID 15:20 Some people don't bloom. MIKE 15:21 We bloomed. DAVID 15:22 We? We bloomed. MUSIC 15:23 [hums] MIKE 15:23 So, back to the book. DAVID 15:24 Back to the book, kids. MIKE 15:26 Uhm, MUSIC 15:26 [hums] MIKE 15:27 so yeah, I really love the artwork. It's so fun. The... the owl comes in, and a love on this page. "Cutie's new toy didn't put her to sleep, but it kept her busy in her bedroom. She pushed its belly again and again." Uh, and paraphrasing. It always said the same thing. Soon, her room was dark, and then MUSIC 15:51 the MIKE 15:52 bird went quiet. DAVID 15:55 All of a sudden, MIKE 16:00 what I love about this is the moonlight shining through. And spotlighting the owl. DAVID 16:08 Yes, that's brilliant. MIKE 16:09 I love that. DAVID 16:10 Is that some kind of beam that brings it to life? MIKE 16:14 Maybeam...? And then on the next page, the owl is on the edge bed, bed dancing in the moonlight. Spot moonlight. DAVID 16:26 And that's the stage, the first stage of the owl. You had that reminds me of, I can almost hear it. Hello, Ma darlin. Hello, Ma laydy. MIKE 16:32 Hello, my ragtime gal. DAVID 16:34 Michigan J Frog. MIKE 16:36 Is that his name? DAVID 16:37 Yeah, the MIKE 16:38 never come up with that. DAVID 16:39 The loony tunes. The cartoon MIKE 16:41 Yeah. DAVID 16:42 where the frog danced it would do it, except for the one person who had the frog. And it was that kind of leaning back and the anthropomorphism. Is that what happens when an animal becomes does a human MIKE 16:53 thing? Yes. DAVID 16:55 But the pose of the owl here on the bedpost on the edge of the bed. In the footlight and the foot of the bed is just, you can see him going, Hello, my lady. Hello, my darling. Hello, my ragtime doll. MIKE 17:07 Is that what it is? Yes. DAVID 17:07 Good stuff. This book is a lot of fun. And real quickly, the media, it's once again pencil or ink and watercolor. MIKE 17:16 Well, David, thanks for bringing that up. DAVID 17:19 Hey, Mike, you're welcome. MIKE 17:20 Because I found something very, very interesting. DAVID 17:25 Really? MIKE 17:26 On, I don't know, it's the page after the title page where they have what would they call that page with all the copyright DAVID 17:33 Oh, MIKE 17:33 stuff. DAVID 17:33 I don't know. We should probably know this. MIKE 17:35 I thought you knew that. DAVID 17:36 I probably did, doesn't MIKE 17:37 You DAVID 17:37 it? MIKE 17:37 said it one time, I think. Anyway, DAVID 17:39 yeah. MIKE 17:40 So what I found was that this text copyright was 2004 DAVID 17:45 Okay. MIKE 17:46 and illustrations copyright was 2004. So, which means we were hanging out together when this book came DAVID 17:54 This MIKE 17:54 out. DAVID 17:54 book is younger than our friendship. (i love that) MIKE 17:56 Yes. So, but as I followed down looking at this stuff because I was like, what do they even say on this page besides copyright? There's lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of words. And I don't think I've ever really paid attention. But what caught my eye was, there's summary. "Cutie LaRue is perfect in nearly every way, but her sleepiness causes problems for her parents until they send for a new toy that introduces cutie to the Dreamland nightclub." And then I continued down and found the illustrations in this book were done in Sumi, SUMI, brush, pen, and ink, and colored inks on watercolor paper. DAVID 18:47 Oh, wow. MIKE 18:48 And I was like, oh my gosh. If David asked me what it, what the medium, I, I, I'll know. And now I know that I can look in the future and find DAVID 18:59 That's awesome. But what is watercolor paper? MIKE 19:02 It's a little bit thicker, thicker than regular paper. But it kind of has that... DAVID 19:07 Slight texture? MIKE 19:08 Yes, DAVID 19:09 Yeah, okay. MIKE 19:10 so that when the watercolor bleeds into the paper, it spreads a little. DAVID 19:15 But it says colored inks, not watercolor. MIKE 19:19 Right? So it's very interesting that... DAVID 19:21 Okay. And I'm guessing looking at the very top of that page, to Chloe and Dobin, ADP and BP, I'll bet you they are parents and their kids are Chloe and Dobin. MIKE 19:33 I bet you are correct. DAVID 19:36 We shall have to ask them those strongly worded questions when they are guests on our shoe. MIKE 19:43 .. on our shoe? DAVID 19:44 Oh, I'm sorry, I went to Ed Sullivan, on our show. MIKE 19:47 Well, it's a shoe in that they'll be on our show. DAVID 19:50 Absolutely, and we would say, "And here they are, the Pinkneys." That is so not Ed Sullivan, I'm MIKE 19:55 Buddy, DAVID 19:56 sorry. hee-he, MIKE 19:57 hee-he. Who remembers Ed Sullivan? DAVID 20:01 I know. I went back too far. MIKE 20:02 I don't think I watched Ed Sullivan. DAVID 20:04 I know, I didn't. MIKE 20:05 Anyway, back to the book. DAVID 20:07 Back to the book, kids. Yeah, so it's a lot of fun. MIKE 20:09 It is. I DAVID 20:10 Mm-hm. MIKE 20:10 love that all of the toys in her room make an appearance at the Nightclub. DAVID 20:15 Yes. MIKE 20:17 So it's like, Oh, this is so much. I love the monkey the most, because he's playing the drums. And has cool shades. DAVID 20:22 Uh-oh, that's awesome. Mm-hm. Oh, I'm glad you brought all this up because, yeah, so this might answer my earlier question. I'll bet you that the owl is simply an owl. It's a toy. The parents definitely ordered it, and it probably says things were- but this is her imagination, because all of her toys are the characters. And that monkey playing the drums is like, you could just see people doing that snap clap thing like, yeah, yeah. Like the Nightclub that they create is so- it's so specific, and it's just so much MIKE 20:55 It DAVID 20:55 fun. MIKE 20:55 really is. DAVID 20:56 And I-I didn't notice until now the Sandman, the Slumber Brothers, I mean, all these names, many of them are sleep names. MIKE 21:03 Yes. DAVID 21:04 It's so cool. It's so fun. This is one of those books that I really wish I did have when my kids were younger, because I would have had a blast reading this to them and I could hear it reading this book. MIKE 21:13 Yeah, right. Oh, and that's what I loved so much about it was, you know. I'm a band person. DAVID 21:19 Yes. MIKE 21:20 Music person. DAVID 21:21 Mm-hmm. MIKE 21:21 I started playing trumpet in sixth grade in, I don't know, 1980, blah, blah, blah. Um, but I love that they were at a jazz club, at least in my head. It was a jazz club. And I could hear all of the music, in my head. DAVID 21:40 Yep. MIKE 21:40 And I was like, I don't know if I'm reading this for the kids or for me. DAVID 21:44 Oh, that is a... that is a sign of a great children's book. MIKE 21:48 Absolutely. DAVID 21:49 They're like, Oh, who often reads these to the kids? Parents, maybe we should make sure the parents enjoy them too. MIKE 21:56 Yes. And boy, did this parent enjoy this book? DAVID 22:01 I love it. MIKE 22:02 I loved, like, just seeing them dancing. I can see Sammy Davis Jr playing one of the Slumber Brothers. DAVID 22:13 I love it. That is outstanding. MIKE 22:15 But I can just... it's just like, wow, like, the music is in my head when I was reading it. I knew that it was coming and I was anticipating how much I was going to love it when they got to the club. DAVID 22:30 Yes. MIKE 22:30 So I guess that, you know, it's kind of cool having that anticipation as a parent reading this, you DAVID 22:36 It's MIKE 22:36 know. DAVID 22:36 almost a childlike anticipation. MIKE 22:38 Yes, absolutely. DAVID 22:40 I MIKE 22:40 Alright, DAVID 22:40 wonder. MIKE 22:40 well, hey, hey, DAVID 22:42 hey, hey, hey. Slow. MIKE 22:42 Are you telling me I'm like a child? DAVID 22:45 In only the best way, Mike. MIKE 22:47 Okay, good. Thanks. DAVID 22:48 None of the immaturity or potty accidents or not wanting to go to sleep when your parents want you to. None of that. MIKE 22:56 And I can drive, And I parents never tell me to go to sleep anymore anyway, so. Cause DAVID 23:00 with MIKE 23:00 they don't live me DAVID 23:01 it. MIKE 23:02 put if they did, DAVID 23:02 Boy, MIKE 23:03 they would probably say, Michael David, go to bed. DAVID 23:06 Hey, I just something just popped in my head as I'm looking at the book. There's the spread where the Slumber Brothers soft shoe with cutie and the Sandman, the drummer. Teaches her to jam on his MIKE 23:17 drum. DAVID 23:17 snare. MIKE 23:17 Yep. DAVID 23:18 The Sandman reminds me of Curious George. MIKE 23:21 Oh, yeah, a little bit. DAVID 23:22 And I was looking at the Slumber Brothers. MIKE 23:26 Uh-huh. DAVID 23:27 I wonder if that's a nod to this Smother's brothers, but the Slumber Brothers, I was looking at that going they look familiar to and they might look like some of the marching toys soldiers in. The little engine that could, MIKE 23:41 uh, DAVID 23:41 and I'm wondering if our friends, the Pinkneys, purposely picked some of the toys to be toys that many of us may have grown up being familiar with. MIKE 23:52 I think that you may be on something, DAVID 23:56 Okay. MIKE 23:57 um, I think they are to me, they're a very generalization generalized, uh, DAVID 24:04 Generic, MIKE 24:04 version of generic. There you go. They're very generic version of. Toys that we all grew up with, DAVID 24:11 right. MIKE 24:11 You know, girls, most girls had a baby doll. DAVID 24:15 Yep. MIKE 24:16 And then there was some sort of animal, DAVID 24:18 mm-hmm. MIKE 24:18 And for me, I did have a monkey, um, because I love monkeys. Who doesn't love, DAVID 24:24 huh? Haven't you always wanted to be a monkey? MIKE 24:27 Yes, yes, I have. How did you know? DAVID 24:29 Uh, I know you MIKE 24:30 Um, DAVID 24:30 well. MIKE 24:31 what is that from? Why am I blanking? DAVID 24:34 Um, MIKE 24:35 You DAVID 24:35 wanted to MIKE 24:35 always be a monkey. DAVID 24:36 Have a job was one of the monkey. It's the bear naked ladies. MIKE 24:40 Oh, that's what it is. I was like, man DAVID 24:42 If I had a million dollars, MIKE 24:46 and DAVID 24:46 it's haven't you always wanted to be a monkey? I'll can't wait to mount now. Yeah, here's the deal Did I catch you off you were going somewhere before I brought in the bear naked ladies? MIKE 24:55 I think I was just saying like these are all things that we all kind of generic toys that we grew up with I DAVID 25:02 Would like to say that I prepared for this conversation by going and digging out my Little Engine That Could, but it's on my dad's on book's bookshelf MIKE 25:12 aw DAVID 25:13 So, I leaned over and grabbed it and Yes, there there is a monkey there are two toy soldiers Can you see that? MIKE 25:23 Yes, I can DAVID 25:24 Yeah. MIKE 25:24 they look very small and tiny and Sort of similar- ish. DAVID 25:29 Yeah, well they have red shirts just like our toy soldiers in the Pinkneys book And they also have very tall slim hats So we need to get the Pinkneys on and say hey What's up? You know I'm saying MIKE 25:41 what up? DAVID 25:42 Yeah, no, but it's just it's just fun and MIKE 25:44 well actually, I have to I have to go somewhere totally different with with them because DAVID 25:50 Okay MIKE 25:50 I saw them more like the Nicholas brothers DAVID 25:54 The Nicholas brothers, I don't know who that is MIKE 25:56 the Nicholas brothers. They were a dancing duo hmm Entertainment act composed of brothers Fayard and Harold who excelled in a variety of dance techniques primarily between the 1930s and 1950s, DAVID 26:12 oh wow, okay, MIKE 26:13 and I learned about them when in college I was a theater major and had to take dance classes Not had to I DAVID 26:23 but MIKE 26:23 wanted DAVID 26:23 did MIKE 26:24 to take dance classes because I really loved it and We did some history of dance things and that's where I learned about the Nicholas brothers and they were amazing so DAVID 26:35 that's fun. MIKE 26:36 It's like a pair of Sammy Davis juniors except Sammy Davis junior so more of Sammy Davis junior was a combination of the Nicholas brothers, DAVID 26:48 maybe so they were African-American were but they also they for lack of a better word crossed over. They were mainstream and everyone loved them because they were so good I have an image of my head of them MIKE 26:58 Yes, DAVID 26:58 just doing MIKE 26:59 yeah, DAVID 26:59 amazing. MIKE 26:59 yep DAVID 27:00 I could just see them being fluid like Fred Astaire or Sammy Davis junior. Yes Or Gene Kelly actually Gene Kelly to me is a more fluid. They're odd. Just level that oh MIKE 27:08 Wow, and they both lived until the 2000s. DAVID 27:14 Did they really MIKE 27:16 Harold was 1921 till 2000 and Fayard was 1914 to 2006 wow and That's amazing. I didn't know that they were still alive when I learned about them. DAVID 27:29 That is amazing. MIKE 27:30 Yeah, cool DAVID 27:30 Hey, so Can I can I do a stab at the shot in the dark a stab if you will of the spelling of Fayard? Yes F-A-I-L-L-A-R-D No Totally wrong MIKE 27:43 Totally wrong F-A-Y-A-R-D. DAVID 27:46 Oh, that's right. You don't speak French so you wouldn't have said Fayard. MIKE 27:49 anyway, DAVID 27:49 Okay MIKE 27:50 Fayard DAVID 27:52 So yeah, so I really did love this book. It's a lot of fun and maybe MIKE 27:58 Maybe DAVID 27:59 Two maybes one maybe maybe I'll read it to my girls now The youngest of whom is 10 Yeah, and then get back to you on that that the other maybe is maybe for the first time ever You or I will get back to the other on an episode Said that so many times totally forgotten and MIKE 28:15 you know it maybe we should just have an episode where we talk about that DAVID 28:20 It's the tie up the loose ends. MIKE 28:23 Maybe DAVID 28:23 un-dangle the dangling modifiers MIKE 28:25 We should find a good episode number that makes you go back DAVID 28:32 I MIKE 28:33 don't know like 22 DAVID 28:34 Yes, MIKE 28:35 that's two and then it's two DAVID 28:37 and if you do it backwards it's the same But anyway, the point is yeah, we should do that. MIKE 28:42 It's a good point to point that sorry. I had to say DAVID 28:47 I know I was like I see would you Okay, nevermind. MIKE 28:50 Yeah, it was DAVID 28:50 bad. MIKE 28:50 really DAVID 28:51 Anyway, well, should we wrap up? I think MIKE 28:53 I think so I think this was great. We've had very productive day on Dad's on Books DAVID 28:59 Dads on Books MIKE 28:59 Talking about Sleeping Cutie DAVID 29:01 such a neat book. MIKE 29:03 I'm not tired DAVID 29:06 Mike from the levels down when you do that MIKE 29:11 my bad I'll fix that in post. DAVID 29:14 I love. Oh, wait, that's my line That's awesome. All right kids. Thank you for listening. Thank you for reading Thank you for sharing this with everyone if you have any questions you can email us and Mike Can you tell our listeners what our email address is? MIKE 29:30 dadsonbooks@gmail.com DAVID 29:33 I love it. So y'all send us an email. Recommendations, observations, tell us stories about you reading some of these books as a kid or reading to your kids reading these some of. Okay, MIKE 29:46 some of the books we've read DAVID 29:48 kids MIKE 29:48 to our DAVID 29:48 to your kids. Yeah. Okay. MIKE 30:02 I think that's why we read 'em all because- DAVID 30:06 Exactly. MIKE 30:06 You know, we don't want to, like, only read books for five year olds 'cause I don't even know what a book for a five year old is. DAVID 30:12 Yeah, it's a quick read. I'll tell you that much. MIKE 30:15 Probably. DAVID 30:16 Okay, so the last thing that we usually do is we need to decide on our next book. So do you have any thoughts? MIKE 30:23 I don't. Do you? DAVID 30:26 Maybe this. MIKE 30:27 Ah, the Little Engine That Could. It came up earlier. DAVID 30:31 It may have and we'll put that in our dangling modifier tie up loose ends episode. Oh, you mean earlier in this episode. MIKE 30:38 Yeah. DAVID 30:38 Yes. I thought you meant it in an earlier episode. So why don't we do this? Did you read this as a kid? Or should we wait until our listeners that when we do this episode? MIKE 30:46 Let's wait and do that later. DAVID 30:48 Okay. Perfect. So thank you for listening in. Please share this with all of your friends and family and even strangers. And tell them about how much you love dad's own books. MIKE 30:59 And happy reading. DAVID 31:01 Happy reading, everybody. Thanks for listening. HORSEY Nay. (chill music)