WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.340 --> 00:00:12.480 I'm Travis Bader, and this is the Silvercore Podcast. 00:00:13.980 --> 00:00:17.940 Silvercore has been providing its members with a skills and knowledge 00:00:17.940 --> 00:00:22.800 necessary to be confident and proficient in the outdoors for over 20 years and 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:27.150 we make it easier for people to deepen their connection to the natural world. 00:00:27.720 --> 00:00:32.970 If you enjoy the positive and educational content we provide, please let others 00:00:32.970 --> 00:00:37.740 know by sharing, commenting, and following so that you can join in on 00:00:37.830 --> 00:00:39.630 everything that Silvercore stands for. 00:00:40.710 --> 00:00:43.350 If you'd like to learn more about becoming a member of the 00:00:43.350 --> 00:00:48.830 Silvercore Club and community, visit our website Silvercore.ca. 00:01:03.030 --> 00:01:06.480 Dan, thank you for coming back on the Silvercore Podcast. 00:01:06.630 --> 00:01:08.190 I know we've been talking about this for a while. 00:01:08.190 --> 00:01:09.150 It's unfortunate. 00:01:09.270 --> 00:01:12.510 We're going to be talking about a bit of a bleak matter, but you always tend 00:01:12.510 --> 00:01:16.530 to be able to shed a little bit of Ray of logic and reason on these things. 00:01:16.530 --> 00:01:20.640 So I'm really, really excited to hear your opinion and hear your take on what's been 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:22.890 going on in Canada's firearms industry. 00:01:23.660 --> 00:01:24.600 Always have your Travis. 00:01:25.980 --> 00:01:30.050 So a lot's happened a lot's happened recently with the, the 00:01:30.060 --> 00:01:32.850 handguns with the, um, the freeze. 00:01:32.850 --> 00:01:34.080 I like how they call it a freeze. 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:37.350 It's a, it's very Canadian, very, uh, very Canadian. 00:01:37.350 --> 00:01:37.500 Yeah. 00:01:37.500 --> 00:01:38.729 We'll just get all chili up here. 00:01:38.729 --> 00:01:40.770 We'll just put a bit of a freeze on the handguns. 00:01:40.770 --> 00:01:41.610 A freeze implies. 00:01:41.610 --> 00:01:44.130 It could thought at some point, but somehow I don't 00:01:44.130 --> 00:01:45.240 think that's the intention. 00:01:45.960 --> 00:01:51.000 Uh, and then, you know, Silvercore Club, we've been inundated with 00:01:51.270 --> 00:01:54.780 calls from people and emails, people saying they're getting. 00:01:55.695 --> 00:02:02.055 Information from some very reliable sources about a, uh, a possible 00:02:02.925 --> 00:02:08.415 stopping of transferring of firearms prior to the freeze coming into effect. 00:02:08.475 --> 00:02:10.695 And you've got some thoughts on that as well. 00:02:10.695 --> 00:02:14.205 I'm hoping these are just rumors and I'd love to hear your two 00:02:14.205 --> 00:02:16.005 bits on, on everything here. 00:02:16.605 --> 00:02:18.975 Well, I guess to dive right into the thing, think isn't it got swept. 00:02:18.975 --> 00:02:23.535 People are probably the most, um, interested or curious about, uh, 00:02:23.805 --> 00:02:25.335 go back to the original groundwork. 00:02:25.425 --> 00:02:29.115 Uh, we have bill C 21 and some conjoined regulations that have 00:02:29.115 --> 00:02:30.825 been tabled in proposal format. 00:02:31.305 --> 00:02:34.815 Um, what that means is there's the actual bill, which stipulates in very 00:02:34.815 --> 00:02:38.205 clear language that when that bill passes, which means three readings 00:02:38.205 --> 00:02:41.625 in the house, three readings in the Senate, Royal assent that no 00:02:41.625 --> 00:02:46.485 individual will be issued a registration certificate for a restricted firearm 00:02:46.515 --> 00:02:48.315 effectively, meaning you cannot get. 00:02:49.050 --> 00:02:49.920 Another handgun. 00:02:50.460 --> 00:02:55.290 Um, the regulations attached to it are a much shorter document and to 00:02:55.290 --> 00:02:59.100 be very clear, cause a lot of calm confusion about regulations and OICs 00:02:59.100 --> 00:03:00.360 and people discussing this stuff. 00:03:00.390 --> 00:03:02.670 Regulations are passed by OIC. 00:03:03.090 --> 00:03:06.690 Um, they are not law, they are laws, but again, a bill and a 00:03:06.700 --> 00:03:08.010 regulation are two different things. 00:03:08.010 --> 00:03:09.300 That's why we have the firearms act. 00:03:09.329 --> 00:03:11.130 And then we have the firearms act regulations. 00:03:11.670 --> 00:03:14.370 Um, regulations are just passed by OAC, which means there 00:03:14.370 --> 00:03:15.600 are privy council document. 00:03:15.630 --> 00:03:19.079 So it's, it's literally the, the little council around the prime minister's 00:03:19.079 --> 00:03:23.880 office that author these, uh, we've seen a leaked copy of it from the parliamentary 00:03:23.880 --> 00:03:26.490 library signed off by mark Amanda Tino. 00:03:26.490 --> 00:03:30.810 That was tabled, um, on the Monday, I believe it was, uh, 00:03:30.870 --> 00:03:34.140 interestingly that that document was actually authored on May 13th. 00:03:34.170 --> 00:03:36.480 So you get an idea of the timeline here. 00:03:36.480 --> 00:03:39.540 It's probably not as extended as people thought, the 00:03:39.540 --> 00:03:41.520 regulations, the bills stipulate. 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:43.050 So you can't be issued a certificate. 00:03:43.050 --> 00:03:44.690 The regulations stipulate that they will. 00:03:45.480 --> 00:03:46.620 Approved transfers. 00:03:46.620 --> 00:03:50.550 Now there's been a lot of confusion about the coming into force, these regulations. 00:03:50.730 --> 00:03:55.170 Um, I've heard the rumors, a lot of them are pertaining to the notion that 00:03:55.170 --> 00:03:58.950 the government will try and pass an emergency order of some sort I've heard it 00:03:58.950 --> 00:04:02.400 referred to as an emergency order of her referred to as an emergency injunction. 00:04:02.880 --> 00:04:05.790 Um, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't really understand either of those terms, but 00:04:05.790 --> 00:04:07.380 I do understand regulations and bills. 00:04:08.040 --> 00:04:09.510 I'm not really sure. 00:04:09.810 --> 00:04:12.330 Um, what they're exactly planning. 00:04:12.330 --> 00:04:14.640 They could obviously within government, per year, they can do whatever 00:04:14.640 --> 00:04:15.720 they want with this sort of stuff. 00:04:15.750 --> 00:04:18.750 They could OIC immediately a transfer and they could just call 00:04:18.750 --> 00:04:20.490 CFOs and say, just stop doing it. 00:04:20.670 --> 00:04:25.260 You know, um, they are either a federal employee or they work under 00:04:25.260 --> 00:04:27.030 a federal mandate in every case. 00:04:27.420 --> 00:04:28.980 So they do have the tools to do this. 00:04:29.520 --> 00:04:34.590 Um, as a news guy, I got to refer back to just the plain old public 00:04:34.590 --> 00:04:36.360 safety documents as fall of 2022. 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:37.890 And to explain why that was happening. 00:04:38.670 --> 00:04:43.770 Um, parliamentary tabling requirements is what the public safety document refers to. 00:04:44.609 --> 00:04:48.060 Preventing these regulations from coming into place immediately. 00:04:48.719 --> 00:04:52.679 That's a reference to the standard process for regulations to pass, which 00:04:52.679 --> 00:04:54.239 means a 30 day consultation period. 00:04:54.299 --> 00:04:54.989 They tabled them. 00:04:55.020 --> 00:04:57.479 There's actually a website where you can actually go and comment on them. 00:04:57.989 --> 00:05:00.104 Um, It's it's great. 00:05:00.104 --> 00:05:01.604 Probably travels to put a link to that there. 00:05:01.664 --> 00:05:06.315 And when the regulations are posted you at 30 days to comment on them, usually, and 00:05:06.315 --> 00:05:10.065 then after the 30 days they pass into law, but it just kind of automatically, there's 00:05:10.065 --> 00:05:13.215 no sitting in the house, there's no readings or committees, nothing like that. 00:05:13.935 --> 00:05:16.815 Um, why it was going to be falls cause there's only 20 days left 00:05:16.815 --> 00:05:17.804 in the parliamentary calendar. 00:05:18.195 --> 00:05:21.195 So we have 20 days, parliament would pro road for the summer 00:05:21.195 --> 00:05:22.844 break and then 10 days in the fall. 00:05:22.844 --> 00:05:25.905 And then those regulations be expected to pass into law sometime in October. 00:05:26.474 --> 00:05:31.905 Um, unfortunately most of these are rumors are hinges around the notion that the 00:05:31.905 --> 00:05:34.215 government is pretty displeased with the. 00:05:35.380 --> 00:05:39.430 Um, pretty large increase in firearm sales to civilians 00:05:39.550 --> 00:05:41.560 throughout these last few days. 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:46.450 Um, and maybe looking to quash that pretty much immediately, I will admit as 00:05:46.450 --> 00:05:49.750 someone who works in the industry, I don't frankly understand why so many people 00:05:49.810 --> 00:05:54.250 that work alongside me in this industry had the need to kind of poke their finger 00:05:54.250 --> 00:05:57.550 right in the government's eye and say how we're selling a ton of handguns, 00:05:57.550 --> 00:06:00.370 all of a sudden, uh, didn't seem wise. 00:06:00.910 --> 00:06:04.570 Um, it's one of those situations where, you know, if the government shows 00:06:04.570 --> 00:06:08.205 you their hand and they say, this is what we're doing, No work around it. 00:06:08.235 --> 00:06:11.775 Don't this adversarial attitude is not always great. 00:06:11.775 --> 00:06:14.745 And as far as the industry goes, I think it's also a little bit unprofessional. 00:06:14.805 --> 00:06:18.975 Um, you know, if you were to consult, uh, any kind of professional public 00:06:18.975 --> 00:06:22.725 relations firm or a consultant like that, they would tell, you know, don't, 00:06:23.295 --> 00:06:26.295 don't go making a fight out of something that they're not trying to fight you on. 00:06:26.295 --> 00:06:29.715 Just do what you can in the meantime, strategize, et cetera. 00:06:29.715 --> 00:06:32.085 I mean, sun zoo would not say, yeah, just go stick your finger right in 00:06:32.085 --> 00:06:33.945 the eye right away when you don't know what the hell is going on. 00:06:33.945 --> 00:06:37.005 So I think for some people, it feels like a win. 00:06:37.035 --> 00:06:39.465 Hey, look at we're winning screw. 00:06:39.465 --> 00:06:45.015 You poke you in the eye, look at what we're doing, but maybe that's not the war. 00:06:45.284 --> 00:06:46.845 It's the dumbest thing like that attitude. 00:06:46.845 --> 00:06:49.125 It's just, it's so cost for industry. 00:06:49.125 --> 00:06:54.675 And moreover it completely skips a very valid point, which is there, there has 00:06:54.675 --> 00:06:58.875 been no increase in handguns in Canada, this, this massive surge in sales there 00:06:58.875 --> 00:07:01.935 for two, all I hate to tell you this businesses, you bought these guns already. 00:07:02.115 --> 00:07:03.495 Like these guns already. 00:07:04.305 --> 00:07:06.495 When I do an interview with other media outlets and they say, has 00:07:06.495 --> 00:07:09.645 there been a massive surge in gun sales, this stuff to the end users? 00:07:09.645 --> 00:07:09.885 Yes. 00:07:09.885 --> 00:07:11.505 And last week, but those guns already exist in Canada 00:07:11.505 --> 00:07:12.405 and will be sold eventually. 00:07:12.405 --> 00:07:16.215 Anyways, this is not, this is just stacking the sales 00:07:16.215 --> 00:07:17.205 at a more rapid fashion. 00:07:17.205 --> 00:07:21.075 It isn't, it doesn't represent an increase in firearms in Canada. 00:07:21.075 --> 00:07:25.455 That should have been the messaging from day one that, you know, these are 00:07:25.455 --> 00:07:26.955 not guns are being imported, et cetera. 00:07:26.955 --> 00:07:31.455 And I think that would have probably been a smarter tactic to take, 00:07:31.485 --> 00:07:34.125 uh, to really highlight, you know, kind of the play of the business. 00:07:34.125 --> 00:07:38.955 And I mean, moreover, we have so little time with media to make our points. 00:07:39.975 --> 00:07:43.905 Why waste a single minute saying things like Justin, Trudeau's the gun salesman of 00:07:43.905 --> 00:07:45.915 the year that doesn't do anything for us. 00:07:45.915 --> 00:07:47.115 It doesn't advance our argument. 00:07:47.115 --> 00:07:49.515 It doesn't, it doesn't change a mind anywhere. 00:07:49.875 --> 00:07:53.565 Um, maybe it makes people think poorly of Justin Trudeau if they really hate 00:07:53.565 --> 00:07:57.045 guns, but it doesn't, it doesn't do us any favors to that kind of stuff. 00:07:57.045 --> 00:08:00.255 It's again, just needlessly adversarial in an issue that's over 00:08:00.255 --> 00:08:04.275 80 hyper-partisan, uh, we're much better off speaking to things like, 00:08:04.395 --> 00:08:05.895 you know, this is a waste of resources. 00:08:06.195 --> 00:08:09.825 Every customer is buying a gun has literally been checked that they are not 00:08:09.825 --> 00:08:12.195 going to be a violent criminal every day. 00:08:12.405 --> 00:08:13.395 Highlight those things. 00:08:13.425 --> 00:08:14.145 Don't highlight. 00:08:14.175 --> 00:08:14.495 Yeah. 00:08:14.495 --> 00:08:15.525 I'm making a ton of money right now. 00:08:15.555 --> 00:08:19.395 That just it's it seemed like it was in pretty poor taste in a lot of cases. 00:08:20.235 --> 00:08:20.535 Yeah. 00:08:20.745 --> 00:08:21.735 Pretty counterproductive. 00:08:22.545 --> 00:08:29.025 Uh, so, uh, the rumor was 1400 Eastern time today, but from what I 00:08:29.025 --> 00:08:31.635 understand, uh, I'm looking at the watch. 00:08:31.635 --> 00:08:37.815 Now that's going to be in about 40 minutes and, but most likely not going to happen. 00:08:38.025 --> 00:08:41.445 Uh, but the fact that that rumor is on the table. 00:08:41.745 --> 00:08:43.664 I'm wondering where he gets his legs from. 00:08:43.695 --> 00:08:47.385 And if there is some chatter in the back end, because I do know that the civil 00:08:47.385 --> 00:08:52.215 servants will talk in the back end about things that they would like to see happen. 00:08:52.215 --> 00:08:54.615 And they took call it a normative process. 00:08:54.615 --> 00:08:58.755 I had to think like you and I talked about that one in the pack, smooth fires off. 00:08:58.755 --> 00:09:01.575 So he says, politicians, they don't make the laws. 00:09:01.575 --> 00:09:04.245 We make the laws and we do it through normative process and we'll 00:09:04.335 --> 00:09:06.315 enact our policy in a certain way. 00:09:06.315 --> 00:09:08.685 So that, uh, regulation follows. 00:09:09.435 --> 00:09:15.225 Um, I guess if there is chatter going around, I wonder if people are feeling, 00:09:15.855 --> 00:09:19.875 if it's just straight up rumors or people are feeling somewhat comfortable 00:09:19.875 --> 00:09:24.975 in saying these things, because that's sort of on possibly on the docket. 00:09:25.455 --> 00:09:26.355 No, I think this is. 00:09:27.810 --> 00:09:30.930 So for me personally, just so people know from a news perspective, like my 00:09:30.930 --> 00:09:36.690 typical process, either I need to speak to a source directly, so I can validate 00:09:36.690 --> 00:09:38.970 that sources, uh, efficacy myself. 00:09:39.060 --> 00:09:42.960 Um, and you know, that's, that's done me well in the last 10 years. 00:09:43.050 --> 00:09:45.480 Uh, the other alternative is to try and find three sources. 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:47.190 Like if I can't get someone, that'll go on record. 00:09:47.190 --> 00:09:49.590 Like if there's an RCP offices, I, you know, I've got this information, 00:09:49.590 --> 00:09:51.930 that'll tell you, but I can't, I can't give you my name for 00:09:51.930 --> 00:09:53.610 publication, then I'll say, great. 00:09:53.640 --> 00:09:57.090 I need to hear from a couple of other people that you can direct 00:09:57.090 --> 00:09:59.070 me to potentially, or I'll try and find them independently. 00:09:59.070 --> 00:10:01.950 That's the best thing you can do is find the independent sources to confirm 00:10:01.950 --> 00:10:04.800 that and say, look, this isn't for, I'm not going to publish your name. 00:10:05.040 --> 00:10:07.890 You can be anonymous, but I need to know personally before I publish it. 00:10:07.890 --> 00:10:11.010 So that's why we haven't reported on any of the rumors, because 00:10:11.010 --> 00:10:15.000 I can't, no one's willing to substantiate this in any way to me. 00:10:15.570 --> 00:10:20.610 But, um, on the other hand, when kind of judging the veracity 00:10:20.610 --> 00:10:23.040 of these things, I do look for specifically, that's a really good. 00:10:23.760 --> 00:10:25.350 Indicator I've found historically. 00:10:25.800 --> 00:10:29.520 Uh, so a lot of times when, when, when an industry is trying to, like, for example, 00:10:29.520 --> 00:10:30.600 let's just cut straight to the chase. 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:34.350 If this is the industry trying to push a room to sell a bunch of guns, they 00:10:34.350 --> 00:10:35.640 would generally be pretty vague about it. 00:10:35.730 --> 00:10:37.650 You'd hear all the others, probably something coming soon. 00:10:38.160 --> 00:10:40.590 And you saw that initially there were people that were saying that like, 00:10:40.590 --> 00:10:41.490 all this could happen immediate. 00:10:41.490 --> 00:10:42.570 It could happen any day. 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:45.210 Well, governments don't do things on any day. 00:10:45.210 --> 00:10:46.440 It is very planned out. 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:47.190 It is scheduled. 00:10:47.190 --> 00:10:47.670 You name it. 00:10:48.060 --> 00:10:52.350 Um, so those sorts of rumors are usually an indicator of someone's 00:10:52.350 --> 00:10:54.030 opinion being expressed as fact. 00:10:54.630 --> 00:10:58.950 But when you start to hear very specific rumors like today at 11:00 AM Eastern 00:10:58.950 --> 00:11:03.750 time, that makes me very nervous because people tend not to when people 00:11:03.900 --> 00:11:08.250 fabricate things, they automatically default to a very vague thing because 00:11:08.250 --> 00:11:09.510 it makes it harder to get caught. 00:11:09.930 --> 00:11:11.670 No one wants to say 11:00 AM. 00:11:11.670 --> 00:11:13.830 They're going to ban these things because at 1105, you know, 00:11:13.830 --> 00:11:15.240 they're full of crap, right? 00:11:16.635 --> 00:11:22.785 I mean, we'll know now 35 minutes, but, um, it's, it's impossible to really 00:11:22.785 --> 00:11:26.085 say for now I'm stuck in that situation where like, I hear the rumors, I can't 00:11:26.085 --> 00:11:29.295 confirm them, but they do scare me. 00:11:29.475 --> 00:11:31.455 And I don't think this is just the industry. 00:11:31.455 --> 00:11:34.275 And moreover, I would point out to any consumer that, like, it's almost a 00:11:34.275 --> 00:11:38.655 moot point because if it happens today at 11:00 AM Eastern, or it happens 00:11:38.655 --> 00:11:44.535 in October, it's happening, this is, we are in the fight for basically 00:11:44.535 --> 00:11:45.795 the future of handguns in Canada. 00:11:45.795 --> 00:11:47.025 You can't pass it down to your kids. 00:11:47.265 --> 00:11:47.835 You can't compete. 00:11:47.835 --> 00:11:51.075 And if sick, you can't compete in cowboy shooting anymore from now on 00:11:51.075 --> 00:11:54.105 that's that's the world we live in and we need to confront that reality 00:11:54.105 --> 00:11:56.505 and start wrapping our heads around. 00:11:56.505 --> 00:11:58.395 Well, how do we, how are we going to combat this? 00:11:58.545 --> 00:12:01.935 If we want to get the ability to transfer handguns back, we already need 00:12:01.935 --> 00:12:04.035 to be thinking that this is the law. 00:12:04.665 --> 00:12:08.265 Uh, you know, don't think, oh, in the fall, we'll start addressing this problem. 00:12:08.325 --> 00:12:11.595 And again, this is more relating back to that professionalism within the 00:12:11.595 --> 00:12:13.125 industry and even within our advocacy of. 00:12:13.979 --> 00:12:18.540 See the bigger picture, stop seeing trees start seeing forests and start acting 00:12:18.540 --> 00:12:21.630 like we're in that forest, trying to find a path through it because we just keep 00:12:21.630 --> 00:12:23.369 walking into tree after tree, after tree. 00:12:25.050 --> 00:12:27.900 Well, you know, there there's always been, well, it doesn't affect me. 00:12:27.900 --> 00:12:29.579 I just, I'm a shotgun shooter. 00:12:29.579 --> 00:12:30.449 I'm a rifle shooter. 00:12:30.449 --> 00:12:31.380 This is just handguns. 00:12:31.380 --> 00:12:34.859 And the big buzz around all of this is handguns, but we're also 00:12:34.859 --> 00:12:39.510 talking about five round magazine restrictions to all five things. 00:12:40.469 --> 00:12:40.800 Right. 00:12:41.069 --> 00:12:44.520 So that's, uh, you know, th th there's your lever action, your 00:12:44.520 --> 00:12:48.479 30, 30, your cowboy action, uh, person, there's your hunters. 00:12:48.930 --> 00:12:53.339 Um, this affects everybody in the sporting and firearms industry. 00:12:53.670 --> 00:12:54.209 Absolutely. 00:12:54.329 --> 00:12:57.959 Um, and I think that's, it's interesting. 00:12:58.739 --> 00:13:01.680 I mean, again, thinking about the forest for the trees argument, 00:13:01.680 --> 00:13:04.229 like that argument, that it doesn't affect me as a gain. 00:13:04.229 --> 00:13:06.900 One of those myopic, you know, I just see a tree in front of me that says 00:13:06.900 --> 00:13:09.270 they're painting handguns, and I'm not seeing what they're doing, which is. 00:13:10.395 --> 00:13:13.965 You know, uh, basically I would say probably what five years ago, a liberal 00:13:13.965 --> 00:13:18.315 party firearm policy became divorced from crime prevention and became more issue of, 00:13:18.375 --> 00:13:22.875 um, political gain to be well, not more of, it became an issue of political gain. 00:13:22.875 --> 00:13:27.225 This law, every one of the gun license very has very salient ideas on the 00:13:27.225 --> 00:13:31.095 fact of whether or not this law impacts any kind of criminal activity. 00:13:31.095 --> 00:13:32.955 And it obviously doesn't cause I mean, it's worded. 00:13:33.285 --> 00:13:38.040 So as to be limited to those of us that have licenses, um, So you have 00:13:38.040 --> 00:13:42.780 to just go like again, see the forest for the trees and go in reality. 00:13:42.780 --> 00:13:44.160 I know they're not going after criminals. 00:13:44.340 --> 00:13:45.420 So what is their objective here? 00:13:45.930 --> 00:13:48.660 Well, they're clearly going after gun ownership, so they obviously have 00:13:48.660 --> 00:13:51.090 the opinion that gun ownership is something that they need to combat. 00:13:51.090 --> 00:13:52.530 Why do they need to combat on our ship? 00:13:52.530 --> 00:13:53.580 Well, Hmm. 00:13:53.610 --> 00:13:55.080 Probably not because they hate us. 00:13:55.110 --> 00:13:56.790 This attitude, that gun owners are the victims. 00:13:56.820 --> 00:13:58.260 It's not because they hate us. 00:13:58.290 --> 00:14:00.390 I don't think Justin Shirley even knows who the heck I am. 00:14:00.690 --> 00:14:01.620 They certainly doesn't know. 00:14:02.250 --> 00:14:02.880 They don't care. 00:14:03.090 --> 00:14:04.770 We're a means to go one way or the other. 00:14:05.130 --> 00:14:05.730 Exactly. 00:14:05.790 --> 00:14:09.600 And we are just a means to an end for these politicians for political 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:12.990 gain and to be very clear, it's the same thing for the conservatives. 00:14:13.020 --> 00:14:14.370 We are the means to an end for them. 00:14:14.370 --> 00:14:16.380 They see the counter-argument is potentially helping. 00:14:17.565 --> 00:14:21.165 We need to kind of accept that own it and make it work for us. 00:14:21.165 --> 00:14:25.215 We can't just keep, there's no point in having debates about the 00:14:25.215 --> 00:14:28.305 validity or veracity of a law and its ability to impact criminal behavior 00:14:28.305 --> 00:14:30.075 when it was never created for that. 00:14:30.765 --> 00:14:34.755 Um, and it's really important to drive that home because until people 00:14:34.755 --> 00:14:38.145 kind of understand that it, it feels like a fundamental thing that people 00:14:38.355 --> 00:14:39.375 can't get your head around that man. 00:14:39.375 --> 00:14:42.675 You're, you're not really going to get a lot of traction or, or 00:14:42.675 --> 00:14:46.095 get to any kind of goals that you want to get to in this debate. 00:14:47.025 --> 00:14:47.385 Hm. 00:14:48.045 --> 00:14:49.955 So accept it and make it work. 00:14:51.690 --> 00:14:51.930 Yeah. 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:54.240 Some people would say, so what you eat, you just roll over 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:55.200 and you just let it happen. 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:57.840 And know, for example, I think that's what you're saying. 00:14:58.080 --> 00:14:59.190 No, to be very blunt. 00:14:59.190 --> 00:14:59.430 No. 00:14:59.490 --> 00:15:02.160 Um, but I also think it's one of those, you know, you can't 00:15:02.160 --> 00:15:06.000 solve a problem without first, uh, recognizing you've got one. 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:08.730 And I think gun owners have for a long time now thought 00:15:08.730 --> 00:15:10.020 that we have the wrong problem. 00:15:10.410 --> 00:15:14.670 They think, we think that in many cases, we're up against the government that 00:15:14.670 --> 00:15:18.780 is trying to stop crime that is trying to, you know, save lives, et cetera. 00:15:19.290 --> 00:15:20.010 Just stop. 00:15:20.100 --> 00:15:24.270 Just stop thinking that is, has anything to do with anything with their gunfire. 00:15:24.300 --> 00:15:27.570 It's about winning urban ridings and creating a massive 00:15:27.570 --> 00:15:28.650 ledge for the conservatives. 00:15:28.650 --> 00:15:31.950 Because to be very blunt, this entire law, it won't affect 00:15:31.950 --> 00:15:33.120 any kind of criminals life. 00:15:33.150 --> 00:15:37.770 But what it will do is the next federal election, hopefully in 2023, because it's 00:15:37.770 --> 00:15:39.210 government doesn't seem super stable. 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:44.250 Um, uh, a journalist will eventually stand up and he will ask the conservative 00:15:44.250 --> 00:15:47.370 candidate of record, probably peer polio based on membership sales. 00:15:48.210 --> 00:15:50.010 Are you going to give people back their hands? 00:15:51.330 --> 00:15:53.670 Are you going to give people back their AR fifteens? 00:15:53.820 --> 00:15:57.480 Are you going to put assault weapons in handguns, back in Canadian? 00:15:58.515 --> 00:16:00.825 And he's going to have to answer that question because of this law. 00:16:00.855 --> 00:16:01.545 That's what it's for. 00:16:01.545 --> 00:16:05.595 This is, this is a setup is effectively what it is, and it wouldn't be surprised 00:16:05.595 --> 00:16:10.755 to be honest, to see 21 is a law just completely fades away on the writ, um, 00:16:10.965 --> 00:16:15.825 and is replaced by either a two-year or a less severe version thereof 00:16:15.855 --> 00:16:18.855 based on what their internal polling shows them so that they can carry this 00:16:18.855 --> 00:16:21.495 wage forward into the next election, just like they did with Erin O'Toole. 00:16:21.765 --> 00:16:26.465 I mean, we all remember Aaronow tools, stammering from the . I don't know. 00:16:26.535 --> 00:16:29.715 We, we won't let people have those, you know, they're, they're setting 00:16:29.715 --> 00:16:33.735 that up again because it's a great wedge for the conservative party 00:16:33.735 --> 00:16:35.505 to, uh, to have to deal with. 00:16:35.505 --> 00:16:40.365 So if we don't accept that, if people don't see that as the problem, and 00:16:40.365 --> 00:16:44.775 we continue to address it from this kind of moral, ethical perspectives, 00:16:44.775 --> 00:16:48.225 and I like gun owners for you guys, I love you guys for that perspective. 00:16:48.225 --> 00:16:49.905 Cause it's, it's what I'm like. 00:16:49.935 --> 00:16:54.285 I, you know, justice, honesty, morals, integrity save lives, right? 00:16:54.705 --> 00:16:59.145 Um, But unless you recognize that's not, we're up against, uh, it's a 00:16:59.145 --> 00:17:02.775 bit like stepping into the ring and not knowing the rules of the game. 00:17:03.345 --> 00:17:07.694 Um, you know, like if you walk into an MMA fight thinking that you're boxing 00:17:08.444 --> 00:17:10.005 it, ain't going to go the way you plan. 00:17:10.005 --> 00:17:10.245 Right? 00:17:10.245 --> 00:17:13.725 So we need to have that attitude of, okay, we see what we're dealing with. 00:17:13.875 --> 00:17:14.565 Let's deal with it. 00:17:14.565 --> 00:17:17.655 And I think to be quite blunt, a lot of people dealing with this, they 00:17:17.655 --> 00:17:19.815 think that there are solutions to be found in these judicial system. 00:17:19.875 --> 00:17:21.045 This is not a judicial problem. 00:17:21.105 --> 00:17:21.915 It's a political problem. 00:17:22.545 --> 00:17:26.085 Um, there's been a ton of money poured into that, that an organization effort 00:17:26.085 --> 00:17:28.915 that could have been put into the previous election, and maybe we wouldn't be faced 00:17:28.915 --> 00:17:32.385 with this problem then, but recognize this is just a political problem. 00:17:32.865 --> 00:17:35.475 Get politically active start engaging. 00:17:35.475 --> 00:17:36.975 You don't even have to be a conservative. 00:17:37.365 --> 00:17:40.575 I mean, this is the kind of thing where, what like 20 to 30% of the 00:17:40.575 --> 00:17:42.675 NDP caucus resides in rural ridings. 00:17:42.855 --> 00:17:44.265 They don't have a huge caucus right now. 00:17:44.655 --> 00:17:48.285 So their rural caucus members have a pretty disproportionate level of 00:17:48.285 --> 00:17:49.965 power over that particular party. 00:17:50.505 --> 00:17:52.755 Now's the time to say, look, you, you support this. 00:17:53.629 --> 00:17:57.860 You're out, we'll make it our mission, you know, turf Mark Hall and worked, take that 00:17:57.860 --> 00:18:01.730 attitude basically to the streets and go, yeah, we're, we're going to make this a 00:18:01.760 --> 00:18:04.040 political fight and we're going to win it. 00:18:04.550 --> 00:18:06.260 Um, and I think that's what will actually happen. 00:18:06.270 --> 00:18:09.080 I mean, until we do, the liberals will just keep doing this 00:18:09.139 --> 00:18:10.520 because there's no punishment. 00:18:10.520 --> 00:18:13.670 When you go risk versus reward, they pass a new gun law. 00:18:14.090 --> 00:18:16.850 The reward is that they get a ton of headlines because as far as I'm 00:18:16.850 --> 00:18:19.690 concerned, the media does seem to be sort of bought and paid for. 00:18:19.700 --> 00:18:21.740 And this particular file, which we can talk about after. 00:18:21.740 --> 00:18:26.510 Cause there's some interesting notes about that, but, um, they get the 00:18:26.510 --> 00:18:29.960 rewards and there is no risk because we're not politically organized. 00:18:30.350 --> 00:18:34.070 There's no, there's no like, Hey, gun owners are gonna take 23 seats from us. 00:18:34.070 --> 00:18:35.480 If we pass this law, they don't worry. 00:18:36.284 --> 00:18:37.725 Cause there there's been none of that. 00:18:37.725 --> 00:18:40.815 So we're trying, like, I've been trying with gunboat for a few years. 00:18:40.815 --> 00:18:42.465 We finally have some data that will be important. 00:18:42.465 --> 00:18:44.774 I think in the next election, I'm trying to get it all sorted, but you 00:18:44.774 --> 00:18:48.975 know, that takes money and time that as a small business, you know, I try 00:18:48.975 --> 00:18:51.495 and get the strivers advertisers and I try and put that money out there, 00:18:51.495 --> 00:18:52.544 but I've also got a mortgage to pay. 00:18:52.544 --> 00:18:56.294 So, you know, we do what we can, but it's going to take something like that. 00:18:56.294 --> 00:18:59.475 I think before, before we can get there, Canadians always 00:18:59.475 --> 00:19:00.885 say, we want some kind of NRA. 00:19:00.885 --> 00:19:04.215 I mean, very con controversial statement, but we definitely need to 00:19:04.215 --> 00:19:07.485 have some kind of political action that we just aren't getting right now. 00:19:08.565 --> 00:19:09.014 I agree. 00:19:09.585 --> 00:19:12.225 And you know, just my personal opinion, watching what you're doing with 00:19:12.225 --> 00:19:16.665 calorie, Meg, I know you have people helping, but I know you do the bulk. 00:19:16.754 --> 00:19:19.754 You do a hell of a lot of lifting and a hell of a lot of work there. 00:19:20.595 --> 00:19:25.544 The amount of change that you're able to affect individually, just 00:19:25.544 --> 00:19:29.955 yourself, by being involved in the firearms industry and, uh, 00:19:29.985 --> 00:19:31.425 setting up your own media platform. 00:19:32.535 --> 00:19:33.285 Is amazing. 00:19:33.405 --> 00:19:40.155 And I think if other people can kind of take a look at what one person can do, not 00:19:40.155 --> 00:19:41.955 everyone has to be publishing a magazine. 00:19:42.255 --> 00:19:45.645 They can get up on YouTube pretty quick and easy, or set up a podcast 00:19:45.645 --> 00:19:47.805 or, you know, talk to their friends. 00:19:48.735 --> 00:19:52.545 The, uh, I've got a podcast lined up with another individual. 00:19:52.545 --> 00:19:54.015 I think you and I both know him. 00:19:54.165 --> 00:19:55.785 Um, uh, Mr. 00:19:56.565 --> 00:20:01.455 in, uh, Ontario one, man, and what he was able to do for that province. 00:20:02.265 --> 00:20:06.135 I think if some of that messaging can come through, cause everyone looks and 00:20:06.135 --> 00:20:08.295 says, well, where's our NRA, right? 00:20:08.295 --> 00:20:13.485 What's the NFA CSSC uh, CCFR what are they doing for us? 00:20:13.485 --> 00:20:14.925 I'll give them some money and we're done. 00:20:15.185 --> 00:20:17.805 That's not how these things are one clearly. 00:20:18.675 --> 00:20:18.915 No. 00:20:18.915 --> 00:20:23.115 And I think, uh, I don't really understand that attitude of the, you 00:20:23.115 --> 00:20:25.695 know, I'll give someone else about any and that'll solve my problems. 00:20:25.845 --> 00:20:27.525 Um, cause it doesn't work yet. 00:20:28.455 --> 00:20:32.730 Um, But I do think people do need to understand, like you have 00:20:32.730 --> 00:20:33.540 a tremendous amount of power. 00:20:33.540 --> 00:20:37.770 Like, for example, like if, if one person, if, if you just walked your MP's office, 00:20:37.770 --> 00:20:40.230 make an appointment, say like, I'm going to sit down across the table from my 00:20:40.230 --> 00:20:44.970 MP, when they've got their days back in that their constituency office make 00:20:44.970 --> 00:20:47.250 an appointment, make them accountable. 00:20:47.610 --> 00:20:49.740 They'll go back to their caucus meetings and they'll go, yeah, shit. 00:20:50.670 --> 00:20:52.320 I've got angry people at my office. 00:20:52.350 --> 00:20:56.430 And I don't like that, you know, um, they just don't deal with any of that though, 00:20:56.430 --> 00:21:01.140 because the co-opting of our advocacy has gotten pretty severe at this point. 00:21:01.230 --> 00:21:04.620 Um, and unfortunately it's also stuff like we used to have. 00:21:04.650 --> 00:21:07.380 I mean, we still do, but it's not used to the same degree of the letter writing 00:21:07.380 --> 00:21:09.360 machine that was used for a long time. 00:21:09.810 --> 00:21:14.310 Um, unfortunately Dennis Young's passing and his ability to get a tips. 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:18.270 Uh, God, I wish I'd learned more about that, but like, you know, we've lost 00:21:18.270 --> 00:21:22.350 some tools along the way that have not been replaced, uh, in terms of that 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:24.390 individual ability to empower people. 00:21:24.390 --> 00:21:27.990 So, um, I think gun owners do need to recognize they have 00:21:27.990 --> 00:21:29.310 individual power and use that. 00:21:30.150 --> 00:21:35.250 Did Dennis really have any extra powers that any ordinary citizen doesn't already 00:21:35.250 --> 00:21:36.900 have available to them other than. 00:21:38.115 --> 00:21:40.785 Well, you got to pay five bucks and they've actually made it a lot easier. 00:21:40.785 --> 00:21:43.815 Cause public safety aid tips used to be the sort of a tip that you had to 00:21:44.025 --> 00:21:45.375 go through a whole separate process. 00:21:45.375 --> 00:21:46.185 Now it's an online thing. 00:21:46.185 --> 00:21:48.555 You just go online, select the department. 00:21:48.555 --> 00:21:50.145 You want RCMP or public safety. 00:21:50.145 --> 00:21:52.335 Those are the two that you'll always have for firearm stuff. 00:21:52.605 --> 00:21:54.315 You pay your five bucks, you follow your thing. 00:21:54.795 --> 00:21:56.505 Um, and lots of people should have dealt. 00:21:56.505 --> 00:22:00.105 The problem is it does tie up the ATP process, what Dennis had. 00:22:00.225 --> 00:22:02.595 And before anyone goes off to the ATO website and you just like, 00:22:02.625 --> 00:22:04.095 give me all of the gun records. 00:22:04.545 --> 00:22:07.425 Um, why did Justin Trudeau ban guns? 00:22:07.845 --> 00:22:11.985 Um, they don't really answer responses like that positively. 00:22:12.015 --> 00:22:12.495 No, they don't. 00:22:12.705 --> 00:22:18.705 Um, they barely answer any responses positively, but Dennis, Dennis, his 00:22:18.705 --> 00:22:21.795 expertise was knowing who to address them. 00:22:22.475 --> 00:22:24.725 He had a very good idea of the organizational chart 00:22:24.725 --> 00:22:25.745 for the relevant parties. 00:22:25.745 --> 00:22:28.955 So one, one of the difficulties with getting any tips, it's just figuring 00:22:28.955 --> 00:22:31.325 out how you're supposed to get the information from, for example, 00:22:31.835 --> 00:22:33.485 I had a, I got an, a tip back. 00:22:33.485 --> 00:22:37.235 This is a very long time ago where regarding the 10 22 magazine debacle, 00:22:37.475 --> 00:22:43.115 uh, to go back that far, um, there was a PDF attached to an email that I received. 00:22:43.175 --> 00:22:47.855 The file name was something about dual use magazine used, blah, blah, blah. 00:22:48.155 --> 00:22:49.235 I tried to get that. 00:22:49.265 --> 00:22:52.925 I sent that back to the RCMP and said, I'm looking for a copy of this PDF. 00:22:53.255 --> 00:22:57.065 And I had that exact file name right there because the actual PDF was that included 00:22:57.065 --> 00:22:59.765 in the ATO a tip they're responsible. 00:22:59.795 --> 00:23:03.755 We don't own that document because that document was authored by the Ontario CFO. 00:23:04.415 --> 00:23:09.275 So I had to then put an tips through the Ontario provincial group to get that who 00:23:09.275 --> 00:23:11.195 then just didn't respond to me whatsoever. 00:23:11.195 --> 00:23:13.475 But that's what Dennis was good at. 00:23:13.505 --> 00:23:14.375 Is he understood. 00:23:15.150 --> 00:23:16.170 He could see that and go right away. 00:23:16.170 --> 00:23:16.350 Okay. 00:23:16.350 --> 00:23:17.460 That's an Ontario CFO doc. 00:23:17.580 --> 00:23:20.850 I need to ATIP them on the, to pursue it because the other thing is you also 00:23:20.850 --> 00:23:25.530 have to be tenacious because I mean, I've been doing this 10 years now. 00:23:25.620 --> 00:23:28.170 I have some credibility as a print media guy. 00:23:28.170 --> 00:23:29.340 That's been doing this for a long time. 00:23:29.340 --> 00:23:31.380 I've been in journalism since 2003. 00:23:32.010 --> 00:23:36.240 Um, I still have to send, like, I can show you email chains where I 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:39.450 have demanded documents from the RCMP five times where I say, I know this 00:23:39.450 --> 00:23:40.580 exists and they go, no, it doesn't. 00:23:40.630 --> 00:23:43.200 I say, I know it does because I've seen the other versions of it. 00:23:43.230 --> 00:23:43.800 Give it to me. 00:23:44.010 --> 00:23:45.180 No, we don't have that. 00:23:45.630 --> 00:23:48.720 And it literally five times going through five different ranks 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:51.960 of RCMP communications officer before I get a tersely word email. 00:23:52.020 --> 00:23:53.190 Oh, here's that file you're looking for. 00:23:53.520 --> 00:23:55.470 And it's attached and it's usually formatting. 00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:58.950 It's usually either heavily redacted or it's given to me in the most 00:23:58.950 --> 00:24:01.770 useless format possible where it's like, oh, here's a pilot data. 00:24:02.040 --> 00:24:04.110 Enjoy the next three weeks of your life sorting it. 00:24:04.110 --> 00:24:05.760 You're kind of like, cool. 00:24:06.300 --> 00:24:07.500 Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. 00:24:08.430 --> 00:24:08.630 Yeah. 00:24:09.750 --> 00:24:11.220 We talk about an adversarial city. 00:24:12.330 --> 00:24:14.940 And as firearms owners, we definitely feel that. 00:24:15.120 --> 00:24:18.840 I mean, it's, I, it is an adversarial system. 00:24:18.840 --> 00:24:22.920 There are civil servants who I speak with in the firearms program. 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:24.630 There's some great people who work there. 00:24:24.900 --> 00:24:27.480 There's also some who like world people. 00:24:27.660 --> 00:24:30.150 If you get people complaining to you every single day, you're going 00:24:30.150 --> 00:24:31.200 to start getting your backup. 00:24:31.650 --> 00:24:33.060 They start getting their backup. 00:24:33.540 --> 00:24:40.245 They start, uh, Forming opinions and those opinions will affect the disclosure 00:24:40.245 --> 00:24:43.575 of work or how fast they'll do the work or how it's it's human nature. 00:24:43.575 --> 00:24:43.845 Right. 00:24:43.875 --> 00:24:47.565 He could an ice cream shop and treat them like garbage, and you're probably 00:24:47.565 --> 00:24:49.035 not going to get a big scoop ice cream. 00:24:49.035 --> 00:24:49.335 Right. 00:24:50.085 --> 00:24:52.395 And I think so much of this is so politicized too. 00:24:52.395 --> 00:24:56.445 There's there's serious concerns amongst the civil civil service 00:24:56.535 --> 00:25:02.085 that, um, accidentally releasing information on as opposed to, um, 00:25:02.115 --> 00:25:05.655 basically releasing anything around something that is so partisan. 00:25:06.165 --> 00:25:09.375 Um, and again has been dealt with to be quite Frank. 00:25:09.375 --> 00:25:13.695 So unprofessionally in many cases, uh, we'll come back to bite them in the ass. 00:25:13.845 --> 00:25:17.685 Um, and that's not an unfair assumption for many of them to 00:25:17.685 --> 00:25:21.525 make, to be very clear because you know, the gatekeepers at the top. 00:25:22.290 --> 00:25:24.270 R R quasi political. 00:25:24.300 --> 00:25:26.400 They're not political appointments, but they're they're right next to 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.750 politicians that if something, if a, if an information officer releases 00:25:30.750 --> 00:25:36.510 a file to me and I publicize it as a normal news, article that somewhere 00:25:36.510 --> 00:25:39.900 up there, someone's going to go, what the frig, you know, who sent this out? 00:25:39.930 --> 00:25:40.890 How did that get out there? 00:25:40.890 --> 00:25:42.090 That was never supposed to be released. 00:25:42.360 --> 00:25:47.550 So they have serious concerns about that, um, on they're founded, but, um, it's 00:25:47.550 --> 00:25:51.870 just, you know, we were supposed to have a government that's opened by default. 00:25:51.930 --> 00:25:54.750 That's the famous phrase that Trudeau said in 2015, and yet, 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:58.110 as far as we're concerned, and this is, this is media wide. 00:25:58.110 --> 00:25:59.040 This isn't just gun owners. 00:25:59.040 --> 00:26:00.090 This is all media. 00:26:00.270 --> 00:26:03.210 It is, it has never been less transparent. 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:08.100 I mean, holy crap guys, like the ATP backlogs are two years now, in some 00:26:08.100 --> 00:26:13.740 cases like I've gotten documents released to me pertaining to Beowulf magazines. 00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:16.890 And where like, Bob. 00:26:17.940 --> 00:26:19.740 Still worked for the cops. 00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:22.440 Like this is, this is going back to a guy who has retired. 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:25.889 Like it's, it's comical, how slow it's all gotten. 00:26:26.250 --> 00:26:29.010 Um, and they blame it on, you know, too many people asking for a, and they 00:26:29.010 --> 00:26:32.940 take forever to process because they are processing them so diligently to 00:26:32.940 --> 00:26:36.120 make sure that everything that could be problematic has been redacted. 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:39.330 Uh, instead of just putting it out there, which in this case, you know, like this is 00:26:39.330 --> 00:26:45.570 a great example of like an entire industry of 45,000 people is stressing like crazy. 00:26:45.690 --> 00:26:49.440 Cause no one knows if they can move inventory, you know, individuals that 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:51.750 have tons of money wrapped up in hand guns, and maybe you want it to sell them 00:26:51.750 --> 00:26:54.570 to someone are now going, like, I don't know, I can't get anyone on the phone. 00:26:54.690 --> 00:26:57.030 The firearm center doesn't even answer the phone right now. 00:26:57.660 --> 00:26:59.870 We feel very, there's a term for it. 00:26:59.910 --> 00:27:03.210 Feel very othered where you've got society and culture and, 00:27:03.210 --> 00:27:05.400 and there's us and we're others. 00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:07.200 Uh, we aren't given the same respect. 00:27:07.290 --> 00:27:10.830 And I think there's, again, there's reasons that we feel like that, but 00:27:11.250 --> 00:27:13.560 I mean to go to the media stuff, cause I want to get that into. 00:27:14.504 --> 00:27:16.364 Yeah, I attend a lot of these media briefings now. 00:27:16.364 --> 00:27:19.034 Like I did spend a lot of time away from work cause I was dealing 00:27:19.034 --> 00:27:20.264 with basically the cancer scare. 00:27:20.715 --> 00:27:24.435 Um, but now I'm back at it and I go to these media briefings, especially now. 00:27:24.465 --> 00:27:26.114 Cause they're so relevant and. 00:27:27.030 --> 00:27:31.800 When I'm in them, the outlets that attend are not, they're not 00:27:31.800 --> 00:27:33.510 sycophantic towards the government. 00:27:33.540 --> 00:27:36.540 Like the questions they ask are not things that, to be quite blunt on 00:27:36.540 --> 00:27:39.240 C 21, most of the questions were, how does this affect criminals? 00:27:39.750 --> 00:27:44.340 Um, the answers did not convince anyone in the room that it did. 00:27:45.060 --> 00:27:47.129 And what concerns me a lot is that I'm seeing coverage come out. 00:27:47.129 --> 00:27:50.970 That doesn't reflect what we were discussing in those briefings. 00:27:51.540 --> 00:27:53.850 You know, we have journalists from big outlets going like trust. 00:27:54.149 --> 00:27:54.419 Yeah. 00:27:54.419 --> 00:27:57.120 And I don't that one concerns me more, more than most things. 00:27:57.120 --> 00:28:00.419 Cause I mean, I think gun owners are a Canary in a coal mine. 00:28:00.419 --> 00:28:02.040 I've referred to us like that numerous times. 00:28:02.040 --> 00:28:06.179 I think media is a bigger Canary cause when your media starts to collapse, 00:28:06.179 --> 00:28:07.710 you got big problems with transparency. 00:28:09.375 --> 00:28:13.635 You know, media would normally, their self-interests would be best served by 00:28:13.635 --> 00:28:16.425 being as critical of government as they can, because that's what gets eyeballs. 00:28:16.785 --> 00:28:19.695 Like when Justin Trudeau stands in front of the media scrum and 00:28:19.695 --> 00:28:22.754 says, it's misinformation, we have to watch out for misinformation. 00:28:23.264 --> 00:28:26.504 When someone asks whether or not this gun bill actually impacts criminals, 00:28:26.865 --> 00:28:31.845 it would be better for journalists and outlets in Canada to say the prime 00:28:31.845 --> 00:28:34.995 minister is lying because that headline, everyone remembers the globe headlines. 00:28:35.025 --> 00:28:36.495 The story in the globe is false. 00:28:36.495 --> 00:28:39.135 Well, you can't buy advertising like that. 00:28:39.195 --> 00:28:41.925 The global mail is probably made more money off of that headline. 00:28:42.345 --> 00:28:44.715 Then Lord knows what in a long time. 00:28:45.705 --> 00:28:48.675 And it, it bothers me greatly because I don't understand it. 00:28:49.245 --> 00:28:51.915 When I hear journalists from outlets, say like, Hey, this doesn't seem like it's 00:28:51.915 --> 00:28:53.325 going to impact criminals whatsoever. 00:28:53.325 --> 00:28:57.465 And then the article that comes out from that outlet is basically a press 00:28:57.465 --> 00:28:59.115 release for batim from the government. 00:29:00.075 --> 00:29:02.475 I'm not, I don't know what's going on between those two things. 00:29:02.475 --> 00:29:04.035 And I get concerned when I start to see. 00:29:04.830 --> 00:29:08.400 Corporations or people act in a manner that I can't attribute 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:09.540 to their own best interests. 00:29:09.540 --> 00:29:11.340 And it's, it's concerning. 00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:12.480 It's really concerning for me. 00:29:14.100 --> 00:29:16.920 And why do you think that is money lazy? 00:29:17.700 --> 00:29:19.950 They're furthering their own political interests? 00:29:21.120 --> 00:29:21.840 I don't know. 00:29:21.900 --> 00:29:25.500 And I mean, it's, I've been thinking a lot about over the past few days to be 00:29:25.500 --> 00:29:30.240 really honest because it's, like I said, I work in media, um, to be honest, I 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:32.400 always think of myself as working more immediate than in the gun industry. 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:35.280 Cause I have a media company first and foremost, we just happen to 00:29:35.280 --> 00:29:38.880 report on guns pretty much all the time, but I have noticed. 00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:40.800 In thinking about it a lot. 00:29:40.830 --> 00:29:41.730 I'm not sure why. 00:29:41.790 --> 00:29:43.770 I know that a lot of people say it's the media bail out and I'll 00:29:43.770 --> 00:29:46.139 say this, like, we get a grant from the government federal guard. 00:29:46.139 --> 00:29:47.490 We've been getting it since Harper days. 00:29:47.520 --> 00:29:51.450 Like it's designed to help Canadian outlets compete against us outlets 00:29:51.450 --> 00:29:54.270 cause newsflash guns and ammo makes a little bit more money than we do. 00:29:54.840 --> 00:29:57.330 Um, and they're not exactly relevant to Canadians. 00:29:57.330 --> 00:30:00.210 So back in the, I think it was 1974, the government said, Hey, you 00:30:00.210 --> 00:30:01.200 know, let's try and help Canadian. 00:30:01.379 --> 00:30:03.540 So, um, it's been great to us. 00:30:03.629 --> 00:30:05.669 Unfortunately, it's diminishing significantly in the next 00:30:05.669 --> 00:30:06.840 few years, but that's life. 00:30:07.290 --> 00:30:11.040 Um, I don't think it's that though, because those grants, I can tell 00:30:11.040 --> 00:30:14.460 you, they are completely, I mean, look at us rugged magazine and they 00:30:14.460 --> 00:30:17.985 give us a grant it's there are no strings attached to those, the $600 00:30:17.985 --> 00:30:21.540 million tax one, there are strings attached to, because you have to be. 00:30:22.304 --> 00:30:24.344 An accredited news outlet. 00:30:24.375 --> 00:30:28.125 We didn't just in case we didn't do that because that seems like an, almost like 00:30:28.125 --> 00:30:31.365 a continuous eligibility screening that gun owners get, it's sort of similar 00:30:31.365 --> 00:30:33.645 for media outlets, where you kinda have to like prove to the government 00:30:33.645 --> 00:30:34.905 that you're a legit media outlet. 00:30:35.385 --> 00:30:39.675 And I worry about the impact of that, because that works from a publisher 00:30:39.675 --> 00:30:41.324 level down through the editorial board. 00:30:41.385 --> 00:30:45.284 Um, so basically management on downwards and I worry about the ability of 00:30:45.284 --> 00:30:47.504 management to steer, stuff like that. 00:30:47.834 --> 00:30:50.625 But I don't, I'm very reticent to blame that because I 00:30:50.625 --> 00:30:51.554 don't work at those outlets. 00:30:51.554 --> 00:30:55.935 And I'm fairly certain that when someone sits down and writes a story 00:30:55.935 --> 00:30:59.985 and files it with their editor, I'm fairly certain that the journalists, the 00:30:59.985 --> 00:31:03.165 editor that reads it and the person that posted on the website are not being. 00:31:03.929 --> 00:31:05.969 They're not being given marching orders from management. 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:09.360 Like that would be media is not that well-funded. 00:31:09.449 --> 00:31:13.409 And that would be an incredible amount of micromanagement that would cost way 00:31:13.409 --> 00:31:15.090 more than the government is even paying. 00:31:15.090 --> 00:31:17.730 So I, I don't really know my concern. 00:31:18.990 --> 00:31:21.750 I guess the reasons that the two things that I can come around with is that 00:31:21.750 --> 00:31:25.560 like it's easy, it's less risky, which these days journalists don't really 00:31:25.560 --> 00:31:28.050 want to take a big risk because if you're wrong, it'll absolutely destroy 00:31:28.050 --> 00:31:29.520 your career in your future prospects. 00:31:30.270 --> 00:31:34.290 The second thing is we've really seen, even though there's a lot of money 00:31:34.290 --> 00:31:38.219 rolling into it, we've really seen a gutting of journalism in this country. 00:31:38.490 --> 00:31:43.020 And what I mean by that is you don't see a lot of middle-aged journalists anymore. 00:31:43.620 --> 00:31:46.500 Um, you know, Broke off. 00:31:46.530 --> 00:31:49.410 Rather those guys that we all look up to is like, you know, proper 00:31:49.410 --> 00:31:54.570 newsmen, that gritty guys, they don't really exist in a big way. 00:31:54.750 --> 00:31:58.200 A lot of the journalists now are either in their late twenties, early thirties, 00:31:58.620 --> 00:32:02.160 and then the second they get to a certain sort of level within media. 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:04.620 They usually will take a job as a marketing consultant. 00:32:05.280 --> 00:32:09.990 Um, uh, you know, like if things are really sideways with the gun industry 00:32:09.990 --> 00:32:12.780 and there's no way that caliber can make money, I'll just go back 00:32:12.780 --> 00:32:14.100 into working in marketing and cars. 00:32:14.100 --> 00:32:16.200 Probably that'll just be the easiest transition. 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:19.170 Cause that's, those are the kind of resumes that they're looking for. 00:32:19.170 --> 00:32:22.740 And we see that a lot and I worry about it because when I'm in 00:32:22.740 --> 00:32:24.030 these media conferences, I can be. 00:32:24.885 --> 00:32:26.415 Adversarial more than most. 00:32:26.504 --> 00:32:28.215 Um, I know Brian Lilly can too. 00:32:28.215 --> 00:32:28.845 God bless him. 00:32:29.324 --> 00:32:32.385 Um, but we're a bit of the minority. 00:32:32.385 --> 00:32:37.034 And I wonder if it's just because you know, I'm coming in on 40, I kind of have 00:32:37.034 --> 00:32:41.054 realized like, they're just people too, but when you're a 28 year old journalist 00:32:41.084 --> 00:32:44.774 with maybe four years experience under your belt, you're getting close to the 00:32:44.774 --> 00:32:46.455 circles of power for the first time. 00:32:46.455 --> 00:32:50.355 You're finally getting access, the power dynamic isn't the same. 00:32:50.595 --> 00:32:55.095 Um, and if they peace out at 32 to go work for Lou Lemon's marketing 00:32:55.095 --> 00:33:00.824 department, um, we don't get the 35 year old journalist that comes out 00:33:00.824 --> 00:33:01.905 and goes, nah, you guys are wrong. 00:33:01.935 --> 00:33:02.294 Hang on. 00:33:02.324 --> 00:33:04.875 That's not the answer to the question, answer the question, please, if 00:33:04.875 --> 00:33:06.044 you don't, you lose those people. 00:33:06.105 --> 00:33:06.405 Right. 00:33:06.405 --> 00:33:11.205 So I worry, I sort of see that as more of the, the problem with it, 00:33:11.294 --> 00:33:14.564 um, than any kind of government funding stuff that said, I do think 00:33:14.564 --> 00:33:17.985 that that tax credit thing and the, the eligibility and the government 00:33:17.985 --> 00:33:19.845 determining who is a media outlet. 00:33:21.030 --> 00:33:26.640 That is hugely problematic and I'm a little bit ashamed to be even tangentially 00:33:26.670 --> 00:33:30.930 attached to any kind of industry that you know is supposed to report on. 00:33:31.110 --> 00:33:34.050 I I'm of the opinion that no journalist should be friends with politicians. 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:36.210 You can't be friends with the people that you cover. 00:33:36.420 --> 00:33:38.760 You should always be free to have that ability to be 00:33:38.760 --> 00:33:40.980 critical as needed all the time. 00:33:41.670 --> 00:33:44.370 Um, uh, and I'm not seeing that now. 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:45.840 I mean, especially with so many journalists go into 00:33:45.840 --> 00:33:46.710 working for the government. 00:33:47.070 --> 00:33:47.910 That's another problem. 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:50.280 Yeah. 00:33:50.310 --> 00:33:50.850 I agree. 00:33:51.280 --> 00:33:57.600 You know, you used the term othered and I I've heard that before. 00:33:57.629 --> 00:33:58.110 Yes. 00:33:58.379 --> 00:34:04.320 There, there is that, that other feeling people say, you know, if somebody likes 00:34:04.320 --> 00:34:07.170 you, they're going to like you, if they don't like you, there's nothing 00:34:07.170 --> 00:34:09.810 you're going to say or do that's really going to change your mind. 00:34:09.810 --> 00:34:13.530 And the more that you try and protest, the more just ingrained in them gives 00:34:13.530 --> 00:34:15.630 them reasons to further dislike you. 00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:18.510 Um, I'm wondering. 00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:23.190 I sometimes I look at the industry and I look at the, uh, firearms owners 00:34:23.190 --> 00:34:29.850 and the sporting, uh, industry after a certain point of being othered and 00:34:29.909 --> 00:34:31.920 protesting and saying, but we're fine. 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:33.420 And we're again, we're your neighbors. 00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:36.929 And it doesn't seem to be the solution here. 00:34:36.929 --> 00:34:41.730 And one observation I made, uh, recently was, uh, Ian Runkle. 00:34:41.850 --> 00:34:44.190 Ian's got a, uh, he's a lawyer. 00:34:44.190 --> 00:34:46.350 He's got a YouTube channel, very popular. 00:34:46.740 --> 00:34:49.050 I think he had about a month or so ago. 00:34:49.050 --> 00:34:53.010 Um, 50, 60,000 subscribers on his YouTube channel. 00:34:53.040 --> 00:34:56.070 And he reports on things that he finds interesting, which would 00:34:56.070 --> 00:35:01.230 be, uh, weapons related laws and firearms knives, and, and, and 00:35:01.230 --> 00:35:03.360 things that, that peak his curiosity. 00:35:04.200 --> 00:35:09.330 But fast forward to that, After he started talking about Johnny Depp and Amber heard 00:35:09.330 --> 00:35:14.610 and giving a legal perspective on this and his views on videos went from anywhere 00:35:14.610 --> 00:35:22.440 from 20, 30,000, 30,000, 30,000 views on a video to like one point something million. 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.830 And he's got over 200,000 subscribers now. 00:35:26.370 --> 00:35:32.700 And I'm wondering if the industry as a whole would be well-served to diversify 00:35:32.700 --> 00:35:37.350 themselves just a little bit and get themselves out of that other category, 00:35:37.560 --> 00:35:43.290 because now he's got a broader platform of, uh, viewers and subscribers who 00:35:43.290 --> 00:35:47.670 just might also hear some of his eye content on firearms and knives. 00:35:47.670 --> 00:35:51.420 And wondering if we would be better served doing that. 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.030 It's hard to say, cause there's a couple of factors at play. 00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:58.740 Um, one of them that has to be addressed is quite literally, and this is, I, 00:35:58.790 --> 00:36:02.880 I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist because there are a few 00:36:02.970 --> 00:36:04.560 around in this particular industry. 00:36:06.675 --> 00:36:09.525 There is the issue of social media algorithm and the deck 00:36:09.525 --> 00:36:10.395 being stacked against you. 00:36:10.395 --> 00:36:12.375 So I also, yeah, shadow penny. 00:36:12.465 --> 00:36:15.915 I also do some motorcycle safety advocacy here in BC because 00:36:15.915 --> 00:36:17.115 I'm a pretty avid motorcyclist. 00:36:17.625 --> 00:36:18.645 And I was shocked. 00:36:18.765 --> 00:36:21.585 I mean, the first few times that I started putting stuff out on Facebook, 00:36:21.735 --> 00:36:25.785 um, they were, let's just put it in perspective, like nowhere near the 00:36:25.785 --> 00:36:27.345 effort that I put into caliber stuff. 00:36:27.375 --> 00:36:30.075 Cause it's my kind of volunteer stuff on the side to help bring my 00:36:30.075 --> 00:36:31.635 soul back to somewhere that I enjoy. 00:36:32.175 --> 00:36:38.655 Um, but my God, the reach by comparison, uh, wasn't saying it's so much 00:36:38.655 --> 00:36:40.245 easier to reach people on social. 00:36:41.310 --> 00:36:44.220 When you're not talking about something that social media algorithms 00:36:44.220 --> 00:36:45.779 are actively trying to repress. 00:36:46.439 --> 00:36:48.450 Um, I see it on caliber all the time. 00:36:48.450 --> 00:36:50.339 We've actually seen huge reductions. 00:36:50.339 --> 00:36:53.879 So many companies in the firearm space have seen huge reductions on Facebook. 00:36:53.910 --> 00:36:58.350 It is, it is nightmarish trying to get gun centric content 00:36:58.350 --> 00:36:59.729 out on Facebook at this point. 00:37:00.240 --> 00:37:02.580 Um, that's why we always tell people, hit the share button. 00:37:02.580 --> 00:37:06.359 Cause if you don't hit share, and even if you do like I've done the math on 00:37:06.359 --> 00:37:12.509 some of my biggest posts that have 80 120,000 people reached, um, even there, 00:37:12.509 --> 00:37:15.660 the shares are like, Facebook is assuming a bunch of you have like 20 friends 00:37:16.140 --> 00:37:19.439 and it's like, Hmm, have you ever met someone on Facebook that has 20 friends 00:37:19.439 --> 00:37:22.379 on Facebook that isn't a scammer trying to sell you something on marketplace? 00:37:22.410 --> 00:37:24.299 No, like that's not how it works. 00:37:24.299 --> 00:37:24.569 Right. 00:37:24.569 --> 00:37:30.240 So Ian definitely tapped into, uh, realizing like that's the way to go. 00:37:30.240 --> 00:37:32.459 I think a lot of gun media could do that too. 00:37:32.939 --> 00:37:37.140 I think that the biggest thing that gun owners could probably do to stop being. 00:37:38.670 --> 00:37:39.990 On a broad sense. 00:37:40.080 --> 00:37:42.960 Um, cause obviously with social media algorithms that gets into specific 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:47.880 strategy delivery of communications and the methods by which you do it from a, 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:51.450 from a larger purchase, rather tactical on a strategic level of how, what do 00:37:51.450 --> 00:37:53.490 we talk about to stop being othered? 00:37:53.550 --> 00:37:57.870 Um, first and foremost, stop saying, we're the victims of these laws? 00:37:57.990 --> 00:38:03.090 Like that's the, it just, it's just not like, yes, you feel like a victim. 00:38:03.090 --> 00:38:03.420 Yes. 00:38:03.420 --> 00:38:06.240 We are technically victims because you can't buy and sell a handgun. 00:38:06.240 --> 00:38:06.870 And that sucks. 00:38:07.350 --> 00:38:11.610 But like, it's talk about missing the point, you know, like it's like 00:38:11.640 --> 00:38:14.759 talking about the Titanic sinking and being like man icebergs, right? 00:38:14.790 --> 00:38:15.750 Like they're so big. 00:38:15.810 --> 00:38:19.650 And you know, like you kinda like, people will be like, what, like that 00:38:19.650 --> 00:38:22.620 at iceberg was a real victim, you know, it was just sitting there and then this 00:38:22.620 --> 00:38:26.940 boat came along and you know, like, you know, we're kind of doing that now. 00:38:26.970 --> 00:38:27.270 It's. 00:38:29.009 --> 00:38:32.100 Bring it, uh, the other big thing is anyone that's been around and there's 00:38:32.100 --> 00:38:35.310 fewer and fewer of us that have been around since the long gun registry 00:38:35.310 --> 00:38:37.980 debate, bring it around to a topic. 00:38:37.980 --> 00:38:42.210 People can freak and relate upon because it's like I've done the videos. 00:38:42.210 --> 00:38:43.589 And I see the metrics at the same time. 00:38:43.589 --> 00:38:46.710 If you talk about, you know, how I can't sell any more handguns and that 00:38:46.710 --> 00:38:49.680 sucks, blah, blah, blah, very few people care because it's really just 00:38:49.680 --> 00:38:51.660 2.3 million of us that are gun owners. 00:38:51.810 --> 00:38:55.350 If you want to get down to the brass tax of it over 75% of us 00:38:55.350 --> 00:38:57.180 with pals are over the age of 45. 00:38:57.660 --> 00:39:00.390 They represent a total of 18% of social media traffic. 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.470 You know, when you actually break down the numbers, 2.3 million people, 00:39:04.470 --> 00:39:07.440 75% of them are that age, only 18% of those are on social media. 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:09.660 You don't get a big number of people. 00:39:10.140 --> 00:39:15.720 Um, so first off recognize that like gun owners are what they are and 00:39:15.720 --> 00:39:17.160 they're going to be met in person. 00:39:17.190 --> 00:39:19.259 They're going to be a gun shops are going to be in gun shows 00:39:19.259 --> 00:39:20.220 are going to be a gun clubs. 00:39:20.430 --> 00:39:22.290 You're not going to be able to access those people. 00:39:22.290 --> 00:39:23.460 Even if we just say, Hey. 00:39:24.405 --> 00:39:27.135 Our core group of Powell holders to be more politically active. 00:39:27.675 --> 00:39:29.955 Uh, you're not going to get there by going on social media. 00:39:29.955 --> 00:39:31.185 You got to take that realistic view. 00:39:32.025 --> 00:39:35.535 If you're trying to reach out beyond gun owners and make the argument to 00:39:35.535 --> 00:39:39.015 say, Hey, look, I'm a gun owner, and I want you to care about my plight. 00:39:39.825 --> 00:39:41.955 Uh, start by making it our plate. 00:39:42.285 --> 00:39:45.675 Say things, instead of saying stuff like, Hey, like I can't shoot my hands anymore. 00:39:46.005 --> 00:39:47.445 Talk about how many resources. 00:39:47.445 --> 00:39:48.345 I mean, I'll be honest. 00:39:48.705 --> 00:39:51.975 I got a 19 month old son who have now just figured out children are just 00:39:51.975 --> 00:39:58.005 massive vectors of disease, like lovable, but very great at getting you sick. 00:39:58.455 --> 00:40:03.959 Um, Days after and been doing interviews like this all week, talking about the 00:40:03.959 --> 00:40:07.350 resources that are going into this, watching politicians burn hundreds 00:40:07.350 --> 00:40:10.649 of thousands of dollars an hour, talking about this stupid handgun ban. 00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:13.410 And then I go down, I gotta spend four hours in emergency because it 00:40:13.410 --> 00:40:17.310 takes that long to get a doctor in an emergency situation, you know, bring 00:40:17.310 --> 00:40:21.149 these issues home, start saying like, yeah, you know, like they're talking 00:40:21.149 --> 00:40:24.689 about handgun bans while gas prices are going through the roof, you can't afford 00:40:24.689 --> 00:40:27.419 groceries and no one can find a freaking. 00:40:28.470 --> 00:40:31.860 Like a good old medical doctor to say nothing of the vast quantity 00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:34.410 of people that are gonna need a psychologist after all this COVID stuff. 00:40:35.010 --> 00:40:36.750 Um, make those the issues. 00:40:36.750 --> 00:40:38.670 Cause those that is the issue. 00:40:38.670 --> 00:40:39.870 It's not disingenuous. 00:40:39.870 --> 00:40:41.100 It's not passing the buck. 00:40:41.100 --> 00:40:43.470 It's not trying to circumvent the gun issue. 00:40:43.470 --> 00:40:44.340 It's the same issue. 00:40:44.790 --> 00:40:48.600 I keep telling people, government has one tool in its toolbox and that's money. 00:40:48.750 --> 00:40:49.800 That's all it has. 00:40:50.010 --> 00:40:52.770 If a government goes bankrupt, it ceases to function. 00:40:52.890 --> 00:40:53.760 There's no law. 00:40:53.850 --> 00:40:54.690 There's no government. 00:40:54.690 --> 00:40:58.170 There's no order because it all works off money because they pass a law. 00:40:58.350 --> 00:41:00.300 They got to pay a bunch of parliamentarians to meet, 00:41:00.330 --> 00:41:01.500 discuss the law, pass it. 00:41:01.710 --> 00:41:03.480 Then they got to pay a bunch of cops to enforce it. 00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.060 And I got to pay a bunch of judges to pass that law in courtrooms at a 00:41:06.060 --> 00:41:08.160 bunch of jailers to put people in jail. 00:41:08.160 --> 00:41:10.590 If they break it, it's all money. 00:41:10.950 --> 00:41:14.010 It's the same money that they could be using to reopen. 00:41:15.150 --> 00:41:15.660 Reopen. 00:41:15.660 --> 00:41:18.420 I mean, God knows they couldn't, but tranquil medical hospital over 00:41:18.420 --> 00:41:21.810 in Kamloops been closed for 50 years, reopen something like that. 00:41:21.810 --> 00:41:26.100 Build God, God blow minds, build a new mental health facility. 00:41:26.250 --> 00:41:27.630 It's all the same money. 00:41:27.630 --> 00:41:33.360 And I mean, I get really pissed off because I live in downtown Colona to 00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:35.850 put in perspective for those that don't know, it's a great little Summertown. 00:41:35.860 --> 00:41:36.900 I highly recommend visiting. 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:40.710 Um, but we do have a little bit of a crime problem growing here. 00:41:41.100 --> 00:41:45.030 Um, there are homeless people and addicted people. 00:41:45.330 --> 00:41:47.250 I can't walk more than two blocks from my house. 00:41:47.250 --> 00:41:49.770 So they'll come in and across an encampment and I'm starting to confront 00:41:49.770 --> 00:41:53.100 the issues of, well, when my son learns to speak and he starts asking, well, 00:41:53.100 --> 00:41:54.180 what does that guy putting in his arm? 00:41:54.180 --> 00:41:55.080 How do you answer that question? 00:41:55.620 --> 00:41:56.880 I'd rather solve that problem. 00:41:57.180 --> 00:41:59.460 Like when Trudeau stands it from a microphone and says, oh, can you 00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:00.300 just worried about getting shot? 00:42:00.330 --> 00:42:00.630 No, they're not. 00:42:00.630 --> 00:42:02.430 They're worried about, they're not worried about getting shot in 00:42:02.430 --> 00:42:04.950 a grocery store, the rural paying the price on the grocery store. 00:42:06.029 --> 00:42:06.899 That's the reality. 00:42:06.899 --> 00:42:09.779 And as gun owners, we need to stop talking about the freaking 00:42:09.779 --> 00:42:11.520 guns because no one cares. 00:42:11.580 --> 00:42:12.270 We care. 00:42:12.330 --> 00:42:12.779 Sure. 00:42:12.990 --> 00:42:13.950 But no one else does. 00:42:13.950 --> 00:42:19.080 And it's, I'll be Frank it's asinine to expect Canadians to care because they've 00:42:19.080 --> 00:42:22.470 gone through the same two years of COVID stuff we have, they're worried about 00:42:22.470 --> 00:42:25.410 their mortgage going up too, because the interest rates they're worried about 00:42:25.410 --> 00:42:27.750 putting gas in their truck, they're worried about the grocery prices. 00:42:27.750 --> 00:42:29.700 They're worried about trying to find a doctor for their family. 00:42:30.495 --> 00:42:32.535 You come in and you say, Hey, worry about me too. 00:42:32.565 --> 00:42:33.885 They don't have the mental space for it. 00:42:34.185 --> 00:42:38.805 And we shouldn't expect them to, because it's unrealistic to, if you asked 00:42:38.805 --> 00:42:41.385 Canadians to care about it, because at the same time, it'd be like going to gun 00:42:41.385 --> 00:42:44.955 owners and going, like you should also care about the, and to be very clear, gun 00:42:44.955 --> 00:42:46.095 owners should care about these things. 00:42:46.245 --> 00:42:47.895 You should care about the addiction crisis. 00:42:47.925 --> 00:42:49.905 You should care about the pending homelessness crisis. 00:42:49.905 --> 00:42:52.425 You should care about the lack of clean water on first nations reserves. 00:42:52.695 --> 00:42:55.035 You should care about all these things, but if you care about these things 00:42:55.035 --> 00:42:59.265 all the time, you will crater your mental health, like never before. 00:42:59.805 --> 00:43:01.095 So we can't ask that of people. 00:43:01.125 --> 00:43:04.005 We gotta just say like, Hey look, you know, like the problems you're facing 00:43:04.005 --> 00:43:07.365 are because of the fact that keep coming after people like us, instead of 00:43:07.365 --> 00:43:10.785 addressing the greater issues, because those issues are hard trying to get 00:43:10.785 --> 00:43:12.255 their poll numbers up by banning guns. 00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:15.060 And I think that's the way to get through this. 00:43:15.060 --> 00:43:18.330 Other thing to get back to your big questions is we keep othering 00:43:18.330 --> 00:43:22.260 ourselves because they keep basically setting us up to be othered. 00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:25.500 And we just don't, we just take the bait every time it's like Charlie brown 00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:29.100 and the football man, like they queue up the gun ban and we just go running 00:43:29.100 --> 00:43:31.410 straight towards it, like, you know, yeah. 00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:32.730 Gun salesman of the year. 00:43:32.730 --> 00:43:36.390 And then when the football leaves wait, what, like how, like that's a surprise. 00:43:36.450 --> 00:43:37.650 It's not a surprise guys. 00:43:37.650 --> 00:43:39.630 Like, come on and see the forest for the trees. 00:43:39.660 --> 00:43:42.870 Pull back, take yourselves out of this, put yourself in your neighbor's shoes. 00:43:42.870 --> 00:43:44.280 Think about what they'd say, you know? 00:43:44.850 --> 00:43:44.910 Yeah. 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.100 Excellent, excellent message. 00:43:48.180 --> 00:43:50.610 Uh, you mentioned earlier that you don't think the judicial 00:43:50.700 --> 00:43:52.800 route is a route to fix this. 00:43:52.890 --> 00:43:54.660 Uh, maybe it helps. 00:43:54.990 --> 00:43:55.770 And I agree with you. 00:43:56.040 --> 00:44:01.830 I mean, I'm, I, I deal with, uh, law firms all the time and I, you and I are both 00:44:01.860 --> 00:44:04.260 dealing on a couple of matters as well. 00:44:04.260 --> 00:44:08.700 Just, um, uh, for the benefit of the gun owners, should they be successful? 00:44:10.815 --> 00:44:13.575 Perhaps they're useful as a delaying tactic. 00:44:13.964 --> 00:44:16.544 Would that be about it even then? 00:44:16.605 --> 00:44:19.515 I don't even see that as, I mean, I don't, 00:44:22.605 --> 00:44:25.904 it, this is all my opinion as someone who is not a lawyer and who tries to 00:44:25.904 --> 00:44:32.205 avoid lawyers at all costs, uh, quite literally, um, the problem with did 00:44:32.205 --> 00:44:38.085 judicial perspective is it could be a delay, but that would only assume 00:44:38.115 --> 00:44:41.565 that did judicial branch would deliver a verdict to us at the same time as 00:44:41.565 --> 00:44:44.805 delivered to the government, what was more realistically going to happen? 00:44:44.805 --> 00:44:48.975 It would be that, you know, the government got word from the crown because the crown 00:44:48.975 --> 00:44:52.544 is who they're fighting in this case that the crown would go, Hey, like it's not 00:44:52.544 --> 00:44:53.774 looking like it's going to go your way. 00:44:54.495 --> 00:44:56.115 And the government goes, okay, well, we'll just legislate. 00:44:56.265 --> 00:44:59.835 I mean, that whole key component in the law that says you can't pass this 00:44:59.835 --> 00:45:02.355 OIC because, uh, they're sporting guns. 00:45:02.475 --> 00:45:04.245 You know, that's what, so much of this hinges around. 00:45:05.250 --> 00:45:06.750 They'll just legislate that away. 00:45:07.020 --> 00:45:10.350 Amended out of firearms, act the governor and council can determine whatever gun to 00:45:10.350 --> 00:45:14.250 be, whatever they want the end, you know, pass that with six readings you're done. 00:45:14.490 --> 00:45:19.650 And like it's, that's where it's, it feels good. 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:20.700 It absolutely does. 00:45:20.700 --> 00:45:24.720 And part of me does want to say, we need to oppose this stuff in every way. 00:45:24.720 --> 00:45:28.740 We can't, including by using the judicial tools, section 74, hearings 00:45:28.770 --> 00:45:32.520 would have been a great way because it would have again, making our 00:45:32.520 --> 00:45:33.900 problem, other peoples problems. 00:45:34.290 --> 00:45:37.950 It would have made the courts tie up like crazy, and the government would 00:45:37.950 --> 00:45:39.180 have been forced to confront that issue. 00:45:39.540 --> 00:45:42.780 Just like to be honest, right now we hear from some gun clubs saying, look, we're 00:45:42.780 --> 00:45:45.390 going to bar federal, uh, range rentals. 00:45:45.810 --> 00:45:51.000 So that RCMP CVSA, corrections, that sort of people can't qualify on private ranges. 00:45:51.510 --> 00:45:54.840 Um, it's making our problem, their problem. 00:45:55.230 --> 00:45:56.940 And I do support that in a lot of ways. 00:45:56.940 --> 00:45:58.980 And I do think that the judicial method. 00:46:00.194 --> 00:46:03.944 It's an option to make our problem a bigger problem for the government. 00:46:03.944 --> 00:46:07.964 But I think that the big issue with it is it's, it's, it's sucked all 00:46:07.964 --> 00:46:09.194 the air out of the room completely. 00:46:09.345 --> 00:46:11.895 It's seen as the, the only way forward. 00:46:11.895 --> 00:46:13.815 And unfortunately it was never a way forward. 00:46:13.935 --> 00:46:16.365 It, it was at best a delay tactic. 00:46:16.365 --> 00:46:18.105 It might've gotten our guns back for a little while. 00:46:18.225 --> 00:46:21.944 Um, but as we're all learning now, like courts move molasses, 00:46:21.944 --> 00:46:24.825 slow, and governments are capable of moving substantially faster. 00:46:25.274 --> 00:46:28.845 Um, so when they've got the inside track on knowledge from the crown and the 00:46:28.845 --> 00:46:31.035 ability to respond faster than we can. 00:46:31.875 --> 00:46:36.165 You know, you're, you're in an asymmetrical situation there that, you 00:46:36.165 --> 00:46:40.725 know, in any kind of conventional logic, you'd go, like don't get in that fight. 00:46:40.995 --> 00:46:44.475 Um, so I don't, it's not the way I would've gone. 00:46:44.535 --> 00:46:46.355 Um, it's why to be totally blunt. 00:46:46.365 --> 00:46:48.735 So why we haven't reported on it a ton, because I do feel like it's just 00:46:48.765 --> 00:46:50.205 kind of, whatever happens with it. 00:46:50.205 --> 00:46:52.065 The legislation will probably take precedence. 00:46:52.125 --> 00:46:57.075 Um, and I do hope that as we lead up to, uh, this next election, hopefully 00:46:57.075 --> 00:46:58.875 20, 23, because minority government. 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:04.340 On average, last 450 days were 180 days or so into this one already. 00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:10.610 Um, and for everyone to take again, context, we're 180 days into a government 00:47:10.610 --> 00:47:15.380 that on average, last 450 and neither leader of the largest parties can attend 00:47:15.380 --> 00:47:20.060 events like Jagmeet Singh gets shouted out of and attend an event attended entirely 00:47:20.060 --> 00:47:24.500 by seek people and claims as racism and Trudeau can't attend an event in Burnaby. 00:47:24.500 --> 00:47:26.720 I believe it was without getting showed it down to the point where 00:47:26.720 --> 00:47:27.830 they say it's a security risk. 00:47:27.830 --> 00:47:32.420 And recognizing that doesn't seem like the most stable situation for 00:47:32.420 --> 00:47:35.810 governments to be going into, especially when we're going to be facing at the 00:47:35.810 --> 00:47:39.950 end of the summer per roadman likely higher than expected interest rates 00:47:39.950 --> 00:47:41.660 higher than expected inflation rates. 00:47:41.990 --> 00:47:44.720 Lord knows what coming out of Ukraine and Russia. 00:47:45.525 --> 00:47:49.575 They're our neighbor too guys, like let's be real clear, like, uh, there 00:47:49.575 --> 00:47:52.215 are Chinese jets that we're now learning about that are interdicting 00:47:52.215 --> 00:47:56.355 our Aurora aircraft in the Arctic air space to distances of 20 feet. 00:47:56.805 --> 00:47:58.425 Like we have big problems here. 00:47:58.485 --> 00:48:02.325 Um, when they come back in the fall, the problems that government faces 00:48:02.475 --> 00:48:06.525 will probably be much bigger than any of the problems are currently facing. 00:48:07.275 --> 00:48:10.815 Um, so whether or not this government holds a whole lot longer than 00:48:10.815 --> 00:48:14.925 fall or spring is anyone's guess I personally don't think it'll last 00:48:14.925 --> 00:48:16.425 much longer than spring of 20, 23. 00:48:16.425 --> 00:48:20.025 So people already gotta be thinking in that, like we have this problem, 00:48:20.025 --> 00:48:22.725 like I keep saying, we know these guns are gonna get banned. 00:48:22.725 --> 00:48:24.735 The th the transfer is gonna freeze. 00:48:24.795 --> 00:48:28.755 Magnatune has even said that the ban isn't off the table, so maybe we'll 00:48:28.755 --> 00:48:32.025 add them to the buyback and then do the buyback thing at the end of the year. 00:48:32.025 --> 00:48:34.905 Again, two year amnesty means that even if they start the buyback at the end of 00:48:34.905 --> 00:48:36.195 the year, which they've talked about. 00:48:36.975 --> 00:48:40.634 Unless they rescind that to your amnesty, uh, which I don't think they will. 00:48:40.634 --> 00:48:43.095 Cause there'll have to be a compliance period. 00:48:43.275 --> 00:48:46.815 They can't just say like, okay, October 1st, the gun buyback starts October 1st. 00:48:46.815 --> 00:48:50.265 The amnesty ends because like what they want a few hundred thousand 00:48:50.265 --> 00:48:53.265 people are now with the handguns, hundreds of thousands of people 00:48:53.295 --> 00:48:54.495 giving their guns in, in one day. 00:48:54.495 --> 00:48:56.565 So there will be a, an amnesty period there. 00:48:57.315 --> 00:49:01.155 Um, start thinking about that election, start getting involved there. 00:49:01.155 --> 00:49:04.485 Like if, if you just can't bring yourself to volunteer with the conservative 00:49:04.485 --> 00:49:08.355 party, find the writing, like in your writing, go talk to the other people 00:49:08.355 --> 00:49:09.945 and be like, look, I'm here, I'll help. 00:49:09.945 --> 00:49:12.615 But you got to change your stance on this issue because like it is 00:49:13.005 --> 00:49:14.895 screwed up and it's not even about me. 00:49:15.165 --> 00:49:18.884 It's about the, the amount of resources that you are letting this 00:49:18.884 --> 00:49:22.215 issue consume at a time when we desperately need them in other avenues. 00:49:22.215 --> 00:49:26.835 Like more people died today of overdoses in this country that 00:49:26.835 --> 00:49:29.835 have been shot in a mass shooting in the states pretty much ever. 00:49:30.345 --> 00:49:33.134 So like, let's just get over this whole guns of the issue thing. 00:49:33.134 --> 00:49:35.865 Like people that die from overdoses are people too. 00:49:36.645 --> 00:49:37.635 They don't want to die. 00:49:37.695 --> 00:49:38.385 It's not intentional. 00:49:38.385 --> 00:49:39.855 They're called drug poisonings for a reason. 00:49:39.855 --> 00:49:41.295 It's not an overdose, not intentional. 00:49:41.775 --> 00:49:42.795 They get the wrong thing. 00:49:42.795 --> 00:49:44.205 They stick it in their body and then they die. 00:49:44.205 --> 00:49:47.355 And no one that's someone's kid that's someone's brother, they don't 00:49:47.355 --> 00:49:51.015 deserve to die any more than to be quite honest, that we always refer to 00:49:51.015 --> 00:49:52.425 these older gang bangers to get shot. 00:49:52.515 --> 00:49:53.475 It's still a tragedy. 00:49:53.505 --> 00:49:55.905 We should not want these kids shooting at each other with guns. 00:49:55.905 --> 00:49:59.055 Like we have to take that holistic perspective to our national health 00:49:59.055 --> 00:50:02.325 and our national safety, um, start getting involved in that stuff. 00:50:02.355 --> 00:50:05.265 Now, if you, if you do see the conservative the way forward and like by 00:50:05.265 --> 00:50:09.405 God do it, I mean, the fact that IPSec Canada and IPSec BC and all these groups, 00:50:09.855 --> 00:50:14.355 like they should be like the guys that do them, like, how are they not the 00:50:14.355 --> 00:50:16.425 chief door knockers, every election? 00:50:16.695 --> 00:50:20.775 Like that was it that like every election rolls around and the cowboy action 00:50:20.775 --> 00:50:24.075 shooters, the lipstick shooters, the local gun clubs are like, how are they? 00:50:24.075 --> 00:50:27.585 Not even like, they, they should be hosting the conservative party 00:50:27.585 --> 00:50:30.375 candidate and the writing and being like, yeah, we've got the 4,000 members 00:50:30.375 --> 00:50:31.575 we'll go out and knock doors for you. 00:50:31.575 --> 00:50:32.835 We'll go put literature up, like. 00:50:33.645 --> 00:50:35.985 You're starting to see in this now gun owners, I'm speaking 00:50:35.985 --> 00:50:39.405 to you guys, you're starting to see what happens when you don't. 00:50:39.435 --> 00:50:43.065 I have said a few times a little bit, probably not publicly, but like gun 00:50:43.065 --> 00:50:44.175 owners are getting what they deserve. 00:50:44.205 --> 00:50:45.975 We, as a country are getting what we deserve. 00:50:46.335 --> 00:50:49.635 We too many Canadians were complacent in the last few elections. 00:50:49.635 --> 00:50:53.205 Too many Canadians did not take a hard look, even in 2015. 00:50:53.205 --> 00:50:55.785 I mean, I was one of those guys that was trying to buy a house. 00:50:55.785 --> 00:50:59.055 Me and my friends in 2015, when prices started to do this in Vancouver. 00:50:59.775 --> 00:51:02.385 And I mean, even then I had friends of mine saying, oh, Trudeau's 00:51:02.385 --> 00:51:03.555 going to drive housing prices down. 00:51:03.555 --> 00:51:04.815 And I'd say, have you read the policy? 00:51:04.815 --> 00:51:05.865 It's all about rental income. 00:51:06.165 --> 00:51:07.305 He just wants cheap rents. 00:51:07.455 --> 00:51:11.175 And if rents go down, the value of owning a rental property goes up. 00:51:11.205 --> 00:51:14.505 Like, it's just, if they're going to subsidize rent for people that 00:51:14.505 --> 00:51:16.185 can't afford it and you are a lamp. 00:51:17.145 --> 00:51:18.525 Well, that's the best tenant you've got. 00:51:18.525 --> 00:51:20.625 Cause they've got a government check coming, but you can't, 00:51:20.625 --> 00:51:21.735 they can't skip that check. 00:51:21.825 --> 00:51:22.785 The government sent it to you. 00:51:22.785 --> 00:51:26.145 So I kept saying to guys like, look, no, it's going to drive prices up. 00:51:26.465 --> 00:51:29.325 And no one known to be able to, to honest, no one listens. 00:51:29.895 --> 00:51:34.005 This is, this is what happens when you don't stop being complacent. 00:51:34.215 --> 00:51:39.075 Start taking some personal agency, read the policies on your own goddamn self. 00:51:39.075 --> 00:51:42.825 Stop, listening to what other people tell you about them and take action, go to your 00:51:42.825 --> 00:51:46.545 gun club and say, Hey, we really should be volunteering with these candidates because 00:51:46.545 --> 00:51:48.435 we need to affect change this time. 00:51:48.435 --> 00:51:51.255 Cause if we don't win this election, it's over. 00:51:51.525 --> 00:51:52.065 Like that's it. 00:51:52.125 --> 00:51:55.035 If the liberals win again in a month, even a minority, as 00:51:55.035 --> 00:51:57.015 we've now seen it, won't matter. 00:51:57.105 --> 00:52:00.255 Just this will be, if you own a handgun right now, you'll 00:52:00.255 --> 00:52:01.395 be the last person to own it. 00:52:01.665 --> 00:52:05.295 The end, when you die, it'll go into a smelter period. 00:52:06.375 --> 00:52:07.005 There's no. 00:52:08.325 --> 00:52:12.585 Other answer here because one more liberal majority is that that's, it it's over. 00:52:12.585 --> 00:52:15.525 Like they'll pass the laws and furthermore, it'll move us so far 00:52:15.525 --> 00:52:19.305 away from this being a normal Canadian pursuit that no conservative party 00:52:19.305 --> 00:52:20.235 candidate will come back to it. 00:52:21.045 --> 00:52:23.175 There's already questions about whether or not a conservative party. 00:52:23.205 --> 00:52:23.805 We see it already. 00:52:23.805 --> 00:52:27.045 John Sharay feels totally comfortable running as the leader of the conservative 00:52:27.045 --> 00:52:31.215 party will saying he will support Trudeau's ban on assault, style weapons. 00:52:31.545 --> 00:52:34.785 That's where the conservative party finds itself already. 00:52:35.055 --> 00:52:36.735 It's been like seven years. 00:52:37.095 --> 00:52:38.655 Imagine what a few more we'll do, right. 00:52:38.685 --> 00:52:39.195 It'll be over. 00:52:39.405 --> 00:52:43.665 So I'm a little bit heated now because admittedly like, yeah. 00:52:43.665 --> 00:52:46.305 Where are you guys all the time is one of those people that has 00:52:46.305 --> 00:52:47.505 door-knocked and volunteered. 00:52:47.505 --> 00:52:49.845 I can tell you, I don't see anyone showing up in an episodic sweater. 00:52:49.845 --> 00:52:53.085 Every time I go door knock there's like me and 40 old people. 00:52:53.295 --> 00:52:55.395 Literally that's what it is, is me. 00:52:55.395 --> 00:52:59.145 And like geriatric people who frankly like as a young guy, I look around and be like, 00:52:59.145 --> 00:53:00.525 where are all the other young people here? 00:53:00.525 --> 00:53:03.495 Like if this lady is in a wheelchair and she's rolling door 00:53:03.495 --> 00:53:06.075 to door, where am my gun owner? 00:53:06.075 --> 00:53:06.195 But. 00:53:07.095 --> 00:53:10.065 They're all able-bodied, you know, like it's it's insanity. 00:53:10.065 --> 00:53:12.465 So I think gun owners got to start doing that. 00:53:12.495 --> 00:53:15.465 You know, if you want to say you are the gun lobby, be the freaking gun 00:53:15.465 --> 00:53:19.335 lobby, you know, step up very well said. 00:53:21.375 --> 00:53:28.935 So with the, the current tabling of, of C 21 here, it's going 00:53:28.935 --> 00:53:30.285 to have to reach Royal assent. 00:53:30.285 --> 00:53:32.865 You've talked about the process that has to go through there. 00:53:33.585 --> 00:53:39.345 Um, there's a likelihood that will never go through, but the likelihood that 00:53:39.465 --> 00:53:45.855 it will be dropped altogether, in my opinion, is slim to none with the degree. 00:53:46.605 --> 00:53:49.455 I think everything that anyone needs to know about that is simply the fact 00:53:49.455 --> 00:53:53.055 that we've already seen a bill of and holy crap, there's another one. 00:53:53.055 --> 00:53:57.705 And like, what do you think we'll call it the third one, like, you know, um, 00:53:58.215 --> 00:54:00.105 and the last one wasn't this bad, right? 00:54:00.105 --> 00:54:02.295 The last one was, it didn't include a handgun freeze. 00:54:02.325 --> 00:54:03.735 It was, uh, potentially a. 00:54:04.455 --> 00:54:05.985 Provincial or municipal handgun ban. 00:54:06.485 --> 00:54:09.135 And now it's a national handgun freeze. 00:54:09.135 --> 00:54:12.345 Well, you know, let's to connect the dots to your people. 00:54:12.345 --> 00:54:15.015 If you project like those old, you know, like what's the next thing in the 00:54:15.015 --> 00:54:17.925 sequence, duh, a national handgun ban. 00:54:18.345 --> 00:54:21.915 So I expect what we'll see is this is what I think just offhanded. 00:54:21.915 --> 00:54:22.695 This is just an opinion. 00:54:22.695 --> 00:54:26.175 There is no, I have no sources on this is just kind of the I've 00:54:26.175 --> 00:54:27.555 spent 10 years watching this. 00:54:28.215 --> 00:54:31.365 I'm not that great at prognosticating what this particular government can do. 00:54:31.365 --> 00:54:33.945 I'll I'll admit that because I did not see this freeze coming that again. 00:54:33.945 --> 00:54:34.845 I don't think anyone did. 00:54:35.025 --> 00:54:38.205 Um, also too, this government does some weird stuff. 00:54:38.265 --> 00:54:40.515 A lot of times that are just make it really hard to predict. 00:54:41.205 --> 00:54:44.445 Um, what I actually think they're going to do is to see 21 we've already seen, 00:54:44.445 --> 00:54:48.075 like the Friday, the stats Canada report came out saying handgun crime is the 00:54:48.075 --> 00:54:49.725 biggest issue and all that kind of stuff. 00:54:50.205 --> 00:54:54.435 And then the weekend was dominated by the Canadian press article that went 00:54:54.435 --> 00:54:57.165 through global CTV, CBC, you name it. 00:54:57.165 --> 00:54:59.385 They all had the exact same verbatim article about how 00:54:59.385 --> 00:55:00.405 handguns are the problem. 00:55:00.765 --> 00:55:02.745 And then lo and behold, Monday, we get this national. 00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:07.380 I expect they'll keep banging on that gun drum, um, throughout the 00:55:07.380 --> 00:55:10.890 election because they see this as key to their electoral math. 00:55:10.890 --> 00:55:14.070 That's how they get to a majority by going through Toronto and Vancouver 00:55:14.100 --> 00:55:16.260 or him and I were a minority government in this case, probably. 00:55:17.040 --> 00:55:19.580 Um, I think the problem is that they're going to. 00:55:21.015 --> 00:55:25.815 When the rate drops and this all dies, uh, on the RIT cause any, for anyone 00:55:25.815 --> 00:55:29.085 that doesn't know any legislation that has not passed when an election 00:55:29.295 --> 00:55:31.395 drops just dies, it doesn't pause. 00:55:31.395 --> 00:55:34.065 It just dies has to be reintroduced at the next sitting of parliament 00:55:34.095 --> 00:55:35.085 because the government turns over. 00:55:35.085 --> 00:55:40.665 Obviously I expect that they're going to use and the vilification of handguns and 00:55:40.665 --> 00:55:46.035 the continued sort of, um, misinformation of, and displacement of legal gun owners 00:55:46.035 --> 00:55:48.835 for criminals and saying, hang on to the problem, hanging out with the hub. 00:55:49.605 --> 00:55:52.575 The problem for the government with handguns is a buyback of 00:55:52.575 --> 00:55:54.135 handguns would be quite expensive. 00:55:54.165 --> 00:55:56.025 There's like 1.2 million of them out there. 00:55:56.175 --> 00:56:00.375 Um, and they probably average about 800 to a thousand dollars a piece. 00:56:01.185 --> 00:56:01.995 You do the math on that. 00:56:01.995 --> 00:56:05.415 It's a really big bill and that'd be really hard to justify even 00:56:05.415 --> 00:56:07.305 for the liberal government that throws money around like it's. 00:56:08.385 --> 00:56:11.145 So I think what they're probably going to try and do is use this built to 00:56:11.145 --> 00:56:15.765 vilify us and handguns, um, effectively enough so that when they run the 00:56:15.765 --> 00:56:21.705 next campaign, they are able to say, um, we're going to ban handguns, but 00:56:21.705 --> 00:56:22.605 we're not going to buy them back. 00:56:23.385 --> 00:56:24.315 That's my concern. 00:56:24.705 --> 00:56:26.445 Uh, they have to get some social license. 00:56:26.445 --> 00:56:28.905 They probably have to do a little bit of marketing work between here 00:56:28.905 --> 00:56:32.475 and there to get to the point where Canadians will be okay with that. 00:56:32.955 --> 00:56:38.115 But I think, uh, it's probably not entirely beyond the pail to, 00:56:38.625 --> 00:56:39.645 to say that that's their goal. 00:56:40.035 --> 00:56:42.885 I mean, again, the goal here is not stopping crime. 00:56:42.945 --> 00:56:43.875 We all know that. 00:56:43.875 --> 00:56:45.705 So what is the goal political gain. 00:56:45.705 --> 00:56:46.155 Okay. 00:56:46.215 --> 00:56:48.945 How did what's and you code on that road and you start to go, okay. 00:56:48.945 --> 00:56:51.885 Well, political gain will eventually mean they're probably going to be. 00:56:52.665 --> 00:56:55.544 Demanding a handgun ban the advocates that they listened to so 00:56:55.544 --> 00:56:57.225 closely are demanding it already. 00:56:57.585 --> 00:56:59.745 So they're trying to get to that goal and they're gonna go, okay, 00:56:59.745 --> 00:57:01.875 well, we need to get to the point where we can ban handguns, but 00:57:01.875 --> 00:57:03.075 we can't afford to ban handguns. 00:57:03.315 --> 00:57:05.355 How do we ban handguns without having to buy the back? 00:57:05.355 --> 00:57:06.734 Well, we make them all look really bad. 00:57:06.734 --> 00:57:10.365 First kind of like if someone was to say like, oh, we're going to ban cigarettes. 00:57:10.365 --> 00:57:12.345 The government would never say we're buying them back. 00:57:12.375 --> 00:57:13.845 People go, they're unhealthy for you. 00:57:13.845 --> 00:57:14.895 And they'll give you cancer. 00:57:14.895 --> 00:57:15.705 We're not buying them back. 00:57:15.705 --> 00:57:16.904 You should've bought them in the first place. 00:57:17.415 --> 00:57:19.035 That will be the exact same sort of statements. 00:57:19.035 --> 00:57:19.815 They'll make one handguns. 00:57:20.294 --> 00:57:21.225 They kill people. 00:57:21.345 --> 00:57:22.395 There's no reason to own them. 00:57:22.544 --> 00:57:23.955 You've never should have bought them in the first place. 00:57:24.495 --> 00:57:27.345 And I think when you hear those phrases, it's not that far 00:57:27.345 --> 00:57:28.515 from what we'd expect to hear. 00:57:28.515 --> 00:57:28.754 Right. 00:57:28.754 --> 00:57:31.904 So that's where I sort of expect them to take C 21. 00:57:31.904 --> 00:57:34.515 This is the test balloon to see where that goes. 00:57:34.575 --> 00:57:36.345 Um, they're anchoring. 00:57:38.040 --> 00:57:39.570 Exactly exactly. 00:57:39.630 --> 00:57:43.740 Um, I wished that I could have some faith in the notion that if there was enough 00:57:43.740 --> 00:57:47.970 pushback, the government would go, okay, well, hang on, whoa, this is too much. 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.580 And it's not obtaining our goals anymore of either political 00:57:50.580 --> 00:57:51.690 gain or preventing crime. 00:57:52.020 --> 00:57:55.140 So they just back off, but that's for real, say, I'm not great at 00:57:55.140 --> 00:57:58.560 predicting these liberals because that's what a rational person would do. 00:57:58.860 --> 00:58:01.980 They don't seem entirely rational all the time. 00:58:02.010 --> 00:58:03.090 I mean, Marco Mendocino himself. 00:58:03.120 --> 00:58:04.590 Let's also just point this out. 00:58:05.010 --> 00:58:08.400 He's likely going to have less than 4,000 votes separating him from 00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:10.230 his next rival in his own writing. 00:58:10.740 --> 00:58:12.870 There were like 80,000 electors in that writing. 00:58:13.110 --> 00:58:15.060 When you do the math on that, it's not a huge chunk of people. 00:58:15.060 --> 00:58:19.140 And here he is gladly, happily being the face of this ban. 00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:24.900 Seemingly not recognizing the flank on the political front and opens up to him. 00:58:25.020 --> 00:58:28.320 Like, I don't know what kind of gun clubs are in his writing, but like, 00:58:28.560 --> 00:58:30.990 or gun clubs here in Vancouver, he got two gun clubs and you're riding 00:58:30.990 --> 00:58:32.640 that's over 4,000 people right there. 00:58:32.730 --> 00:58:34.710 If those gun clubs all go vote on mass. 00:58:35.925 --> 00:58:38.625 Well, and that's what we'll be trying to do with gunboat is, is 00:58:38.625 --> 00:58:41.775 trying to get that strategic voting and understand it a bit better. 00:58:41.775 --> 00:58:45.975 But, um, that's where, you know, if we can start to change the risk and 00:58:45.975 --> 00:58:49.755 reward, you know, just like you would with any kind of training, anything, 00:58:49.875 --> 00:58:53.235 children, dogs, you name it, risk reward, you know, and you just gotta make 00:58:53.235 --> 00:58:54.485 sure that the politicians understand. 00:58:54.495 --> 00:58:56.445 I think that's how we get out of this partisan loop. 00:58:56.535 --> 00:59:02.145 As gun owners too, is, is to take our own political power and keep it ourselves. 00:59:02.175 --> 00:59:05.025 Don't don't allow it to be co-opted for the last few years. 00:59:05.025 --> 00:59:08.595 I've definitely noticed a lot of the gun organizations do not represent 00:59:08.595 --> 00:59:09.765 gun owners to the politicians. 00:59:09.765 --> 00:59:11.445 They represent politicians to gun owners. 00:59:11.505 --> 00:59:13.155 They, they we've seen it. 00:59:13.305 --> 00:59:17.655 I mean, the worst example of it was, um, oh, Maxine burdensome hate for this. 00:59:18.015 --> 00:59:18.615 I don't care. 00:59:18.765 --> 00:59:20.715 I mean, people can hate who cares. 00:59:21.045 --> 00:59:23.685 Um, Maxine, Bernie is the best example of it, right? 00:59:23.745 --> 00:59:27.885 He, he was represented to gun owners as the savior and when that 00:59:27.885 --> 00:59:30.405 failed, we now have to deal with the fallout of that in the form of the. 00:59:31.649 --> 00:59:35.520 You know, because he got, he was given a massive platform for his gun policy. 00:59:35.910 --> 00:59:40.470 Um, and instead of going to going like, you know what, start delivering 00:59:40.529 --> 00:59:44.339 and we'll start talking, you know, um, politics is always a little bit of a 00:59:44.339 --> 00:59:47.700 give and take, but for a long time, I think gun owners have been giving 00:59:47.790 --> 00:59:50.490 a lot more than they've been taking, especially from the conservative party. 00:59:50.910 --> 00:59:52.350 I mean, an arrow tool is a great example. 00:59:52.350 --> 00:59:56.250 I mean, that guy, his campaign manager was a former lobbyist for the NFA. 00:59:56.609 --> 00:59:59.729 Like, and he's the guy that turns around and says, no, I'm not going 00:59:59.729 --> 01:00:02.520 to reverse the AR 15 ban that's that kind of blew my mind, you know? 01:00:02.520 --> 01:00:02.939 So. 01:00:05.580 --> 01:00:07.110 It's great to be nice to people. 01:00:07.200 --> 01:00:09.660 And we definitely should be nice to politicians that want to be nice to us. 01:00:09.660 --> 01:00:13.560 But if, you know, as everyone always talks about it, it's so common now in 01:00:13.560 --> 01:00:18.660 the quote unquote masculine blog world to talk about, you know, if you are 01:00:18.660 --> 01:00:22.860 not a dangerous man, you're not really, if you don't have teeth, you can't 01:00:22.860 --> 01:00:26.370 really do much, you know, you can be kind, but unless you have a little bit 01:00:26.370 --> 01:00:29.220 of power and you're willing to exert it yourself, what's the point, right? 01:00:29.670 --> 01:00:32.460 Um, I think gun owners kind of need to recognize that too. 01:00:32.490 --> 01:00:36.509 We got to stop being, you know, please are going to have another, instead of 01:00:36.509 --> 01:00:40.980 saying, no, we've got 2.3 million people that have pals, we can access them. 01:00:41.190 --> 01:00:45.270 They've got significant others, kids, friends, uncles who are 01:00:45.300 --> 01:00:46.290 sympathetic to their plight. 01:00:46.300 --> 01:00:48.600 So we've got control over 7 million volts in this country. 01:00:49.425 --> 01:00:50.895 You know, don't screw with us. 01:00:50.895 --> 01:00:51.795 We just want to be left alone. 01:00:52.365 --> 01:00:57.015 And, and that might be enough to start saying to the liberals, if Marco Mendicino 01:00:57.015 --> 01:01:00.765 had a very strong sense that running this law was going to make him lose 01:01:00.765 --> 01:01:02.985 the next election, I'm fairly certain. 01:01:02.985 --> 01:01:05.355 It wouldn't look the same way it does today, you know? 01:01:05.355 --> 01:01:09.465 And that's the point that I'm hoping we can get to good point. 01:01:10.485 --> 01:01:15.735 Yeah, the whole co-opting of, of all you're ever getting all the responsibility 01:01:15.765 --> 01:01:21.075 on a third party, like your, your gun org do just go ahead, support the 01:01:21.075 --> 01:01:23.295 gun org, but stand up for yourself. 01:01:23.745 --> 01:01:24.735 Do some work yourself. 01:01:24.945 --> 01:01:27.765 And can you tell me a little bit about a gun vote? 01:01:28.365 --> 01:01:30.855 So the gun vote is. 01:01:31.845 --> 01:01:34.465 Started out as a branding thing that we did for the last election, we 01:01:34.545 --> 01:01:35.685 all those podcasts and a gun vote. 01:01:35.685 --> 01:01:38.295 Cause this has been a very long project in the making. 01:01:38.805 --> 01:01:44.865 Um, it's effectively going to be at its most basic level, um, uh, strategic voting 01:01:44.865 --> 01:01:49.155 engine, because we've got the ability now to, uh, figure out we're gun owners. 01:01:49.155 --> 01:01:51.885 We know where we know what riding you all live in. 01:01:52.065 --> 01:01:53.625 We've got that data now officially. 01:01:53.685 --> 01:01:57.375 Um, we're working with a polling company to have that sorted into 01:01:57.375 --> 01:01:58.575 electoral riding association. 01:01:58.575 --> 01:02:00.165 So we'll have an interactive map available. 01:02:01.125 --> 01:02:04.935 It'll tell us, you know, let's say, uh, the nine or south Oakenoggen 01:02:04.935 --> 01:02:07.755 is a great example because I'm not in it, but it's very close to me. 01:02:08.085 --> 01:02:10.335 Um, Richard Cannings is the NDP candidate on there. 01:02:10.335 --> 01:02:11.715 And to be very honest, he's a nice guy. 01:02:11.775 --> 01:02:14.955 He's a, he's a very nice guy and he's not a bad MP. 01:02:14.955 --> 01:02:17.835 And what I mean by that is he's responsive to his community and he 01:02:17.835 --> 01:02:20.775 raises community's interest in the house of parliament, which is what 01:02:20.775 --> 01:02:22.515 your elected representatives should do. 01:02:22.965 --> 01:02:25.305 Um, when they just pair it a party line. 01:02:25.305 --> 01:02:28.665 That's when you've got a bad MB, um, searchers, a nice guy. 01:02:28.665 --> 01:02:28.995 He's just good. 01:02:29.775 --> 01:02:32.805 But he only wins by like a few hundred votes, usually over 01:02:32.805 --> 01:02:33.765 the conservative candidate. 01:02:33.765 --> 01:02:35.715 And they've the same conservative candidate they've 01:02:35.715 --> 01:02:36.915 had that pitched battle twice. 01:02:36.915 --> 01:02:38.565 Now it's been quite entertaining to watch. 01:02:39.075 --> 01:02:43.995 Um, if we have an interactive map that tells us look, there's 600 votes 01:02:43.995 --> 01:02:46.845 that separate Richard from the next conservative candidate, and we've 01:02:46.845 --> 01:02:48.885 recognized there's 3,500 gun owners there. 01:02:48.945 --> 01:02:52.995 Well, that's, that's what we would call a target riding where the vote gap is 01:02:53.325 --> 01:02:54.945 exceeded by the number of power holders. 01:02:54.945 --> 01:02:56.175 So we'll start pulling the power holders. 01:02:56.175 --> 01:02:57.105 How'd you vote last time. 01:02:57.135 --> 01:03:01.095 If we find that enough of them didn't vote well, now we know it's an actionable 01:03:01.095 --> 01:03:05.625 target writing where we can put effort into mailing those individuals, 01:03:06.285 --> 01:03:08.835 relevant stuff, reach out to those people, go to the Penticton gun show, 01:03:08.835 --> 01:03:11.655 have a booth, et cetera, reaching out to gun owners in the area to not 01:03:11.655 --> 01:03:15.765 only tell them like you can make a change, but like you can make a change. 01:03:15.765 --> 01:03:20.655 Like you need to go vote because if all of you vote, this riding flips, right? 01:03:20.685 --> 01:03:22.275 So that's at its core. 01:03:22.275 --> 01:03:23.505 What it started out to be now. 01:03:24.330 --> 01:03:26.760 Since we're starting to work with the polling company, we're recognizing there's 01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:31.800 a lot more validity and merit to it because the combination of knowing where 01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:33.780 pals exist is a great political tool. 01:03:33.780 --> 01:03:38.010 Obviously combined with the data that we have from our subscribers already, and 01:03:38.010 --> 01:03:40.350 our ability to pull our own subscribers. 01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:42.900 Because the other thing is people assume that pal holders 01:03:42.900 --> 01:03:43.830 will all vote conservative. 01:03:43.830 --> 01:03:44.430 They will not. 01:03:44.640 --> 01:03:45.270 Absolutely. 01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:47.670 A lot of us are not single issue voters. 01:03:47.970 --> 01:03:50.790 For some people, it might be, you know, my dad's got Alzheimer's, so I 01:03:50.790 --> 01:03:53.310 really need to get a better hospital in this area and blah, blah, blah. 01:03:53.340 --> 01:03:55.560 So there's understanding the complexity of all. 01:03:55.560 --> 01:03:57.780 This is something that no one I don't think has really done. 01:03:58.200 --> 01:04:01.380 So we're going to try and combine the data that we've got with our subscribers, 01:04:01.680 --> 01:04:06.720 polling, our subscribers, to find out, to get a better idea of what gun 01:04:06.720 --> 01:04:10.230 owners in Canada think, what they want to see, what policies are important to 01:04:10.230 --> 01:04:14.880 them, even on gun policy, seeing what do they think, what do they stand for? 01:04:14.910 --> 01:04:16.770 You know, like are hand guns important to them? 01:04:16.770 --> 01:04:17.940 And if not, like, why not? 01:04:17.940 --> 01:04:20.310 Like what's the understanding them better. 01:04:20.310 --> 01:04:23.460 So that in the next slide, We can speak to them better. 01:04:23.910 --> 01:04:28.290 Uh, cause I don't think anyone that we've been we've often, I think we've been 01:04:28.380 --> 01:04:32.820 thought of as a, as a monolithic entity a lot and we're not like an owners, all of 01:04:32.820 --> 01:04:34.170 us, we're all complicated people, right? 01:04:34.170 --> 01:04:35.130 Like you're a business owner. 01:04:35.130 --> 01:04:39.150 I want, we have lots of other concerns beyond gun stuff, taxes, you name it. 01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:43.500 Um, so we really want to get a firm grasp on that so that we can develop a 01:04:43.500 --> 01:04:48.390 better profile of what gun owners want to see and how politicians can deliver 01:04:48.390 --> 01:04:51.120 that so that we can have more political. 01:04:51.944 --> 01:04:56.895 Um, and when it is done, which will hopefully be over the summer, um, it'll 01:04:56.895 --> 01:04:58.455 just be delivered to you guys as a tool. 01:04:58.634 --> 01:05:01.154 It will be something like gun owners can sign up for it to receive. 01:05:01.154 --> 01:05:04.305 It'll don't do newsletters as anyone that's subscribed to caliber knows 01:05:04.305 --> 01:05:08.535 you never get an email from me, even if you want to sometimes, uh, cause 01:05:09.944 --> 01:05:12.134 one guy it's a lot of work fan. 01:05:12.194 --> 01:05:16.665 Um, we'll have some staff for it though, especially in the election silly gun vote. 01:05:16.665 --> 01:05:19.995 We'll be pushing content out so that if you live in a riding, it's the sort 01:05:19.995 --> 01:05:23.685 of thing where, uh, you'll know, like if you just want to like, Hey, I'm 01:05:23.685 --> 01:05:28.424 a gun owner and lives in sod, blah, blah city in Saskatchewan, you know? 01:05:28.515 --> 01:05:30.915 Well, you're probably going to vote CPC cause they always win. 01:05:31.125 --> 01:05:32.194 But let's say you're in Southern Ontario. 01:05:32.205 --> 01:05:35.714 We'll give you a better idea of your writing, your ability to influence it. 01:05:35.714 --> 01:05:39.165 There'll be some writings, for example, where you might go like, Hey, the 01:05:39.165 --> 01:05:43.035 conservatives can't win on the NDP can and we can tell gun owners like, look, it 01:05:43.035 --> 01:05:46.725 sounds antithetical, but vote NDP because it's one less thing for the liberals. 01:05:47.625 --> 01:05:49.665 Makes it one less that the conservatives need to take 01:05:49.665 --> 01:05:50.925 from them to get to a majority. 01:05:50.925 --> 01:05:53.595 So, um, it was used to great effect. 01:05:53.595 --> 01:05:57.045 The same system was effectively used, uh, by companies called 01:05:57.075 --> 01:05:58.245 press progress and lead. 01:05:58.245 --> 01:06:02.475 Now, both of which were funded by the tides foundation, which I had 01:06:02.475 --> 01:06:04.095 some of those tides dollars baby. 01:06:04.095 --> 01:06:06.675 We had to be looking at a different reality, but, uh, I 01:06:06.675 --> 01:06:07.605 don't think that's going to happen. 01:06:08.055 --> 01:06:11.295 Um, and they figure they flipped about something would be 20 and 27. 01:06:12.279 --> 01:06:17.350 Uh, the responsibility that, and we have that like gun owners have that ability. 01:06:17.350 --> 01:06:19.859 Cause like, when you think about what had to happen for lead 01:06:19.870 --> 01:06:21.250 down, cause like I love politics. 01:06:21.250 --> 01:06:22.629 Like this is the kind of politics I love. 01:06:22.660 --> 01:06:26.589 Like I'm one of those dark cider type guys and politics that doesn't 01:06:26.589 --> 01:06:28.089 happen legitimately anymore. 01:06:28.839 --> 01:06:30.040 They had to get volunteers. 01:06:30.069 --> 01:06:32.950 So you got to go out there, you got to put a message out there that inspired 01:06:32.950 --> 01:06:35.680 a bunch of young people to put on shirts that said, press progress and 01:06:35.680 --> 01:06:37.930 they'd knock on a door and go, you shouldn't vote for Stephen Harper. 01:06:37.930 --> 01:06:41.410 And here's why, you know, I lived in a riding where that happened and it 01:06:41.410 --> 01:06:43.720 happened like six times these groups. 01:06:43.720 --> 01:06:45.490 So like two or three young people would come up and be 01:06:45.490 --> 01:06:46.509 like anyone but conservative. 01:06:46.509 --> 01:06:50.049 Here's why like we don't even have to go looking that hard. 01:06:50.350 --> 01:06:51.399 I can just call it gun club. 01:06:51.819 --> 01:06:53.439 Like, Hey man, I'm a fish and game club. 01:06:53.770 --> 01:06:55.779 Uh, do you mind if I come out there for a weekend and chat with 01:06:55.779 --> 01:06:58.209 you guys and maybe we can get some emails out to your members. 01:06:58.209 --> 01:06:59.529 It's really, really, really simple. 01:07:00.285 --> 01:07:02.535 Like this'll change the future of handgun ownership in Canada. 01:07:02.805 --> 01:07:05.295 Let's get you guys out there and I bet you, I can get enough guys knocking 01:07:05.295 --> 01:07:09.045 on doors and areas like that by going through gun pubs, because where our 01:07:09.045 --> 01:07:11.265 hand gun owners, we know where they are. 01:07:11.654 --> 01:07:14.535 Um, we have a repository of those people available to us. 01:07:14.535 --> 01:07:17.145 And as a community, it shouldn't be hard to get to them and it 01:07:17.145 --> 01:07:19.725 shouldn't be hard to engage them and get them enthused about this. 01:07:19.725 --> 01:07:24.015 So that's what gunboat is gonna be doing entirely, just literally that. 01:07:24.075 --> 01:07:25.875 So I'm building it up. 01:07:25.935 --> 01:07:26.955 How can people support that? 01:07:28.065 --> 01:07:30.975 Uh, right now just subscribed to caliber because we don't take donations. 01:07:31.005 --> 01:07:33.555 Um, I've got a few meetings with people to try and get kind of a 01:07:33.555 --> 01:07:36.795 funding seed started for it, just to get it off the ground in a big way. 01:07:36.795 --> 01:07:38.955 And once the website's up and running, we are hoping to take 01:07:39.015 --> 01:07:40.485 like a Patrion type model. 01:07:40.485 --> 01:07:42.735 Cause I'm, I'm pretty reticent to take donations. 01:07:42.735 --> 01:07:43.215 It's just kind of. 01:07:44.340 --> 01:07:46.410 Uh, we probably will have to at some point, but I'll hate it. 01:07:46.410 --> 01:07:48.810 Cause I'm just not, it feels a little bit too much. 01:07:48.810 --> 01:07:49.020 Yeah. 01:07:49.020 --> 01:07:50.610 I mean, I don't have to really talk about it too much. 01:07:50.610 --> 01:07:51.690 There's nothing wrong with donations. 01:07:53.250 --> 01:07:54.450 It's just not like me. 01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:57.300 Like it's not, I gotta, you know, at some level you just got to kind 01:07:57.300 --> 01:08:01.140 of recognize your own role in this and it's not, I'm not that guy. 01:08:01.140 --> 01:08:04.920 So we'll probably do some patriotic stuff and use it as content linked. 01:08:04.950 --> 01:08:08.490 So like you can use Patriot on to support the content being created really directly. 01:08:08.550 --> 01:08:11.340 Um, and, and that'll be how gunboat is probably fun. 01:08:11.340 --> 01:08:12.450 We're also doing the same thing for caliber. 01:08:12.450 --> 01:08:15.390 We're trying to get caliber over to a Patrion type model because a lot 01:08:15.390 --> 01:08:18.060 of guys like that month by month sort of thing, and a lot of people do want 01:08:18.060 --> 01:08:19.410 to support the stuff we're doing. 01:08:19.410 --> 01:08:23.220 Cause while gunboat is kind of the, the political entity looking to create 01:08:23.220 --> 01:08:27.690 change, you know, we've really made a real concerted effort to shift 01:08:27.690 --> 01:08:29.069 caliber towards kind of like the. 01:08:30.210 --> 01:08:31.290 No scribe of the community. 01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:33.779 Like we're trying to take down histories now, like we've got 01:08:33.779 --> 01:08:34.920 this great writer named Richard. 01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:36.630 He just came out of the woodwork, like talk about a 01:08:36.639 --> 01:08:38.069 God said, no, he's in Ontario. 01:08:38.490 --> 01:08:41.399 And he's got all the right contacts to take down the history of like that 01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:42.809 big article we did on long branch. 01:08:43.080 --> 01:08:45.179 He's moving on to smaller is limited to the next one. 01:08:45.179 --> 01:08:48.210 And like I'm working, we're working towards this big article 01:08:48.210 --> 01:08:50.639 on D'Amico because of course they macro doesn't exist. 01:08:50.639 --> 01:08:50.849 Now. 01:08:50.910 --> 01:08:51.840 Now it's ancient history. 01:08:51.870 --> 01:08:53.849 He was D'Amico, which has been gone for years. 01:08:53.849 --> 01:08:55.979 And then it was called Canada, which has been gone for years. 01:08:56.370 --> 01:09:01.620 So taking down these histories of like, like there's a guy that sold a bunch of 01:09:01.620 --> 01:09:06.000 guns to the SAS and started DeMarco on that special operations kind of angle 01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:07.410 that we all know and love them for. 01:09:07.529 --> 01:09:10.260 I think he got fired because he wasn't supposed to sell any more guns. 01:09:10.469 --> 01:09:13.559 Like this is the kind of history that, you know, like there's some history, 01:09:13.559 --> 01:09:17.760 like one thing in the long branch factory that no one writes this stuff down. 01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:20.849 And if we don't, who will, there was a massive problem with. 01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:27.480 Because it was a factory full of women and people got needs, man, like wars going 01:09:27.480 --> 01:09:30.390 on, like stuff goes around, you know? 01:09:30.630 --> 01:09:32.790 And then when the factory actually got going, our next article, we're 01:09:32.790 --> 01:09:35.580 talking about how it actually got the nickname, the butcher shop, because 01:09:35.609 --> 01:09:37.620 they were producing so many guns. 01:09:38.340 --> 01:09:40.859 They were putting so many people through pretty rapid 01:09:40.859 --> 01:09:42.000 training to get these guns out. 01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:45.510 And I mean, guns are even today, they're a big ass machine shop that 01:09:45.510 --> 01:09:48.750 makes these things, usually in machine shops are not inherently safe places. 01:09:49.109 --> 01:09:54.570 So you can imagine like with rudimentary training coming off the street with almost 01:09:54.570 --> 01:09:59.160 no experience with machines like that, there was a metric ton of injuries and it 01:09:59.160 --> 01:10:02.040 got the nickname, the butcher shop because it was so brutal and they had to, they had 01:10:02.040 --> 01:10:05.850 to address these things like these were, these are real issues that like, I'll be 01:10:05.850 --> 01:10:09.960 blunt, better politicians than we've seen in a long freaking time had to address 01:10:10.500 --> 01:10:14.670 on the, well, they were hitting the road running, they had to fix these problems. 01:10:15.120 --> 01:10:20.550 Um, and I'm very cognizant of the fact that like, We are now the longest 01:10:20.550 --> 01:10:22.290 running gun magazine in Canadian history. 01:10:23.010 --> 01:10:27.060 And I view it, like, I take it in, it sounds super cliche, but it's just a game. 01:10:27.060 --> 01:10:28.530 Like the way I might love history. 01:10:29.370 --> 01:10:32.910 If I don't write this stuff down, no one will like the history of 01:10:32.910 --> 01:10:35.250 para, like everyone, everyone that works in the industry has a 01:10:35.250 --> 01:10:36.960 pretty well-known understanding. 01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:41.820 Like para got into some problems because a lot of guns went missing pretty regularly, 01:10:42.360 --> 01:10:46.260 like right off the factory floor, they'd go into a lunch box and poof, they start 01:10:46.650 --> 01:10:48.660 turning up in organized crime circles. 01:10:48.660 --> 01:10:51.510 And there was a lot of like problems with pair that way. 01:10:51.510 --> 01:10:53.580 But like I've also met the guy. 01:10:53.670 --> 01:10:57.600 He was not associate with any of this who he literally invented the double stack, 01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:02.340 1911, Meg for para that's his patent, you know, like he's a guy he lives in Ontario. 01:11:02.340 --> 01:11:03.300 He's super, super nice. 01:11:03.570 --> 01:11:04.790 That's a story right there. 01:11:05.610 --> 01:11:07.380 And that's the kind of thing where like, if you want to support what 01:11:07.380 --> 01:11:09.900 we're doing, just go get a subscription because it's the only way that we 01:11:09.930 --> 01:11:11.280 can take your money effectively. 01:11:11.580 --> 01:11:14.580 Um, so just go to the website by subscription and we'll send you the 01:11:14.580 --> 01:11:18.510 magazines, um, because that's what we're doing and whatever we make extra 01:11:18.510 --> 01:11:22.140 that we can spare goes over towards gunboat to help pay for, for hopefully 01:11:22.140 --> 01:11:23.220 creating the change in the future. 01:11:23.280 --> 01:11:28.200 So I'm going to have links to that up in the, uh, in the podcast 01:11:28.200 --> 01:11:29.370 notes and the YouTube notes. 01:11:30.135 --> 01:11:32.475 Uh, definitely support the magazine. 01:11:32.505 --> 01:11:34.335 Definitely a gun vote. 01:11:34.335 --> 01:11:36.405 I think you should be putting it on to a Patrion sooner. 01:11:36.405 --> 01:11:39.525 As opposed to later, I get the concept, they get the, they 01:11:39.525 --> 01:11:40.515 will do like a Kickstarter. 01:11:40.515 --> 01:11:42.075 So I'm, I gotta, I gotta look into the crowd. 01:11:42.105 --> 01:11:45.255 I've never been into the crowdfunding stuff, so I'm a bit of a fish out of water 01:11:45.255 --> 01:11:48.435 on that front, but we'll probably look at getting that up and running really soon. 01:11:48.435 --> 01:11:51.405 Cause it's because I'm working with an existing polling company that 01:11:51.405 --> 01:11:52.695 everyone knows very, very well. 01:11:52.695 --> 01:11:54.675 When it finally comes out, it's not difficult. 01:11:54.705 --> 01:11:57.645 It's just the bill to pay, you know, and it's, it's not like it's not 01:11:57.645 --> 01:11:58.645 like they need more and more money. 01:11:58.675 --> 01:12:02.625 It's just, okay, it's going to be about 80 to $150,000, depending on what level 01:12:02.625 --> 01:12:06.435 we want to go to the website integration and largely the integrated mapping stuff. 01:12:06.435 --> 01:12:09.045 So, you know, it's just kind of a finite amount. 01:12:09.045 --> 01:12:11.415 And if we can reach that threshold, then it will be a very good 01:12:11.415 --> 01:12:12.615 tool, hopefully in perpetuity. 01:12:12.615 --> 01:12:17.145 Because now, like I said, this is, that was that that's literally the report that 01:12:17.145 --> 01:12:20.385 I had to go back and forth the RCMP five times and be like, I know you make this 01:12:20.385 --> 01:12:21.915 report and they kept saying, no, we don't. 01:12:21.915 --> 01:12:25.155 And I was like, I know you freaking do like send it to me. 01:12:25.155 --> 01:12:27.735 So now that we've got it, it's, it's really easy to keep this 01:12:27.735 --> 01:12:29.085 as a living document, moving. 01:12:29.775 --> 01:12:34.275 And also too, the more that we pull with the combination of our subscriber 01:12:34.275 --> 01:12:39.225 data and, and gun owners at large, we will always be working towards a more 01:12:39.225 --> 01:12:42.015 refined image of who gun owners are. 01:12:42.045 --> 01:12:45.255 That perspective will get better and better and clearer and clearer 01:12:45.585 --> 01:12:49.875 until eventually we have a very good grasp of who gun owners are and what 01:12:49.875 --> 01:12:53.055 they want to see, but also to what, what do other people want to see? 01:12:53.055 --> 01:12:55.695 Because I mean, part of this whole thing that I've been trying 01:12:55.695 --> 01:12:59.145 to work on is like, I have a gun license, my wife has a gun license. 01:12:59.235 --> 01:13:02.055 We have lots of friends that don't, and they're becoming more and 01:13:02.055 --> 01:13:03.165 more sympathetic for our plates. 01:13:03.165 --> 01:13:07.005 So like how many, how many people do you think in your social circle 01:13:07.335 --> 01:13:09.105 are now sympathetic to gun owners? 01:13:09.105 --> 01:13:11.745 That'll always be a changing metric, but we should always have a firm 01:13:11.745 --> 01:13:15.525 grasp on it because that's where we can embrace a little bit of this 01:13:15.525 --> 01:13:16.965 power and stop having to rely on. 01:13:18.105 --> 01:13:21.135 You know, co-opting power from a political party or working with 01:13:21.135 --> 01:13:26.265 politicians on deals that unfortunately are not always guaranteed. 01:13:26.265 --> 01:13:26.565 Right? 01:13:26.875 --> 01:13:27.125 Right. 01:13:27.315 --> 01:13:30.555 Especially if you don't have the, if you have no power in the 01:13:30.555 --> 01:13:32.415 political sphere, you have nothing. 01:13:34.545 --> 01:13:34.965 I agree. 01:13:36.015 --> 01:13:38.745 Is there anything else you should be chatting about before we wrap things up? 01:13:40.305 --> 01:13:41.415 No, I'm still hearing that. 01:13:41.415 --> 01:13:43.035 Apparently there's no motion. 01:13:43.035 --> 01:13:44.985 The federal government did not present their motion today. 01:13:44.985 --> 01:13:46.425 The next meeting is June 7th. 01:13:46.455 --> 01:13:49.095 Uh, the Canadian sporting arms and ammunition association is 01:13:49.095 --> 01:13:51.375 saying that they believe the next opportunity the government has 01:13:51.375 --> 01:13:52.515 introduced the transfer freeze. 01:13:53.025 --> 01:13:57.855 Um, I don't, I'm not really sure what they're basing that on, but if you can 01:13:57.855 --> 01:14:01.375 still get a transfer done, uh, Do it now. 01:14:01.375 --> 01:14:03.075 Cause that way you can still at least shoot the damn things 01:14:03.075 --> 01:14:04.485 between now and the next election. 01:14:04.485 --> 01:14:08.235 And like I said, just reiterating that like take some agency of your 01:14:08.235 --> 01:14:12.735 own damn self, get your gun clubs, your friends do what makes sense. 01:14:12.764 --> 01:14:15.974 Don't just say like, Hey look guys, look, this is how we're going 01:14:15.974 --> 01:14:17.085 to solve this political problem. 01:14:17.085 --> 01:14:19.275 We've got, we need to help a local candidate. 01:14:19.275 --> 01:14:20.474 We need to unseat the liberal. 01:14:20.745 --> 01:14:22.995 We need to go and put ourselves in front of a liberal. 01:14:22.995 --> 01:14:24.825 If you got a liberal MP, don't be afraid of them. 01:14:25.214 --> 01:14:27.005 They can't do anything to you. 01:14:27.025 --> 01:14:28.065 They're your MP. 01:14:28.065 --> 01:14:28.785 They work for you. 01:14:28.785 --> 01:14:31.605 They are your elected representative and they should be reminded of that. 01:14:31.605 --> 01:14:33.525 They do not represent the government to you. 01:14:33.945 --> 01:14:35.174 They represent you to the government. 01:14:35.174 --> 01:14:36.525 So put yourself in front of them. 01:14:36.825 --> 01:14:38.415 There'll be in your riding all summer. 01:14:38.955 --> 01:14:40.695 There'll be hobnobbing, Canada day. 01:14:40.695 --> 01:14:41.355 I can guarantee you. 01:14:41.355 --> 01:14:43.634 Most of them are going to have a table at the local candidate, a 01:14:43.644 --> 01:14:46.424 parade, get out there and be like, Hey, look, don't be an asshole. 01:14:46.424 --> 01:14:48.495 Don't be like, Hey, what's your fucking problem with me? 01:14:48.495 --> 01:14:50.025 Because that will go exactly nowhere. 01:14:50.054 --> 01:14:54.014 Oh, I got that far without swearing, almost all. 01:14:55.620 --> 01:14:57.210 Ah, I'm going to really work it on that too. 01:14:57.719 --> 01:14:58.860 My wife told me to swear less. 01:14:59.280 --> 01:15:02.370 I've been trying, but it's, it's tough, colorful language. 01:15:02.400 --> 01:15:04.019 As I keep saying, I like colorful language. 01:15:04.019 --> 01:15:07.080 I don't know why people want to talk in black and white, but I agree. 01:15:07.200 --> 01:15:09.179 Go put yourself in front of the MP. 01:15:09.389 --> 01:15:13.650 Uh, if it's an NDP or liberal, put yourself in front and say, look like I'm, 01:15:14.280 --> 01:15:15.780 I'll have, you know, that I understand. 01:15:15.780 --> 01:15:19.230 You're just wasting a colossal form of resources and I'm going to make 01:15:19.230 --> 01:15:22.320 it my mission to ensure that everyone here knows that unless you change 01:15:22.320 --> 01:15:25.200 your too, and I'm happy to work with you to change you in and educate you. 01:15:25.379 --> 01:15:26.490 I could take you to a gun club. 01:15:26.519 --> 01:15:27.509 I can show you the rules. 01:15:27.509 --> 01:15:30.330 Like did you know that everyone that has a gun license has a 01:15:30.330 --> 01:15:31.650 daily criminal record check? 01:15:31.650 --> 01:15:34.589 And if we commit a violent crime, we lose our guns the next day. 01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:37.650 So when, when people ask, is this affecting violent crime? 01:15:37.650 --> 01:15:39.330 You can tell them it absolutely is not. 01:15:39.629 --> 01:15:40.650 It can't by law. 01:15:40.679 --> 01:15:44.730 That's the way it's worded, you know, and, and get out there because it's, if 01:15:44.730 --> 01:15:47.219 we don't do that, then what's the point. 01:15:47.339 --> 01:15:50.460 Like if you can't even stand in front of a liberal MP, that's 01:15:50.610 --> 01:15:53.490 representing you to the government and say, Hey, what the heck, dude? 01:15:54.120 --> 01:15:57.285 You know, We should probably all just fold up and go home. 01:15:57.315 --> 01:16:00.795 Cause I mean, this is just basic civilian duty. 01:16:00.795 --> 01:16:04.755 This is you doing your civic duty as a voter to, you know, it's not, 01:16:04.815 --> 01:16:07.275 it's not just dropping a ballot on a box every four years, guys. 01:16:07.425 --> 01:16:11.325 This is, this is being a citizen truly, you know? 01:16:11.895 --> 01:16:12.975 Um, and thank you. 01:16:12.975 --> 01:16:14.025 Don't it's not Starship troopers. 01:16:14.025 --> 01:16:16.545 You don't have to go to orange that's so you can just walk right up to them. 01:16:16.965 --> 01:16:17.685 It's not that hard. 01:16:17.685 --> 01:16:20.805 So I would, I would definitely say that that's try and get a subscription. 01:16:20.805 --> 01:16:20.985 Sure. 01:16:20.985 --> 01:16:21.495 That's great. 01:16:21.495 --> 01:16:25.155 But, uh, yeah, no, that's actually really important too, but also important is 01:16:25.155 --> 01:16:28.845 the definitely go and put yourself in front of your elected representative 01:16:28.875 --> 01:16:32.595 and make sure that your opinion and the opinion of all of us gun owners is 01:16:32.595 --> 01:16:34.245 being adequately communicated to them. 01:16:35.985 --> 01:16:36.435 I like it. 01:16:36.645 --> 01:16:40.035 Get, get your subscription, support your gun stories. 01:16:40.035 --> 01:16:42.885 You're going to organizations, your ranges, your clubs. 01:16:42.945 --> 01:16:46.245 I mean Silvercore Club we've we haven't gotten so many emails and phone 01:16:46.245 --> 01:16:51.045 calls and uh, in the last couple of days, messages through social media, 01:16:52.440 --> 01:16:53.460 Yeah, because clubs will die too. 01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:55.590 But just in case everyone doesn't understand. 01:16:55.590 --> 01:16:59.910 Like if, if this passes, like I've been a club president for two years 01:16:59.910 --> 01:17:04.290 past the allowable term limit at my local club, I'm not eight anymore. 01:17:04.290 --> 01:17:09.269 So you can't get me societies that can have, um, but clubs are 01:17:09.269 --> 01:17:11.130 run on restricted ownership, man. 01:17:11.130 --> 01:17:13.740 Like you gotta have a club membership to get a handgun. 01:17:13.950 --> 01:17:14.580 Not legally. 01:17:14.580 --> 01:17:14.940 I get it. 01:17:14.940 --> 01:17:15.750 Your technical people. 01:17:15.750 --> 01:17:17.610 Technically actually I don't want to hear it. 01:17:17.670 --> 01:17:20.160 Most of us just get a gun club cause these way to go about it. 01:17:21.030 --> 01:17:21.930 Those clubs all die. 01:17:22.140 --> 01:17:25.710 Like if you like shooting at a gun club, you better enjoy it while it 01:17:25.710 --> 01:17:28.830 lasts, unless you start stepping up because there ain't no way these 01:17:28.830 --> 01:17:30.510 clubs exist 10 years down the road. 01:17:30.510 --> 01:17:34.500 If there isn't any more handgun ownership, they it's what people belong 01:17:34.500 --> 01:17:36.180 to clubs for primarily, you know? 01:17:36.180 --> 01:17:40.710 And, and that includes clubs that have very vibrant other sections like 01:17:40.769 --> 01:17:43.470 here in Colona, we have a club of 350. 01:17:44.475 --> 01:17:47.925 20 of them are historical reenactors that shoot black powder. 01:17:48.225 --> 01:17:48.945 That's their thing. 01:17:49.575 --> 01:17:52.275 Well, guess what if our club closes down cause hand guns go while 01:17:52.275 --> 01:17:53.265 the black powder is gone too. 01:17:53.625 --> 01:17:57.345 So we lose that whole group of guys that can tell you how Hudson bay, fur 01:17:57.345 --> 01:17:58.935 traders, stitch together, their tents. 01:17:59.145 --> 01:18:01.845 And they do this every year for high school students and boy Scouts. 01:18:02.025 --> 01:18:05.715 We lose that as a very real part of our actual community. 01:18:05.715 --> 01:18:08.955 Like, you know, the boy Scouts should care that this handgun ban is going to affect 01:18:08.955 --> 01:18:10.335 them because it means they lose that. 01:18:10.575 --> 01:18:12.465 They won't get their leather working badge next year. 01:18:12.495 --> 01:18:16.545 Like it's, it's important to show people that this isn't just the 01:18:16.545 --> 01:18:19.785 fact that handguns are being frozen and oh, you can't buy that 1911. 01:18:19.785 --> 01:18:22.725 You want, in fact it is not about that at all. 01:18:23.055 --> 01:18:26.945 It is about the fact that your neighbor can't get a doctor, you know, it's, 01:18:26.965 --> 01:18:28.785 it's everything and it's right. 01:18:28.905 --> 01:18:30.705 Get into that sort of mindset guys. 01:18:30.705 --> 01:18:32.955 It's not, it is not just handguns. 01:18:32.985 --> 01:18:35.925 If you like to zero your rifle once a year at your local range, because it's 01:18:35.925 --> 01:18:39.015 got a fixed distance probably should care. 01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:41.310 Because you won't be able to do that now. 01:18:41.340 --> 01:18:43.650 Like it's, it's that important. 01:18:43.770 --> 01:18:46.230 And that stretches as far as all of the businesses too. 01:18:46.230 --> 01:18:47.640 I mean, caliber is magazine. 01:18:48.150 --> 01:18:51.480 We have the ability to sell ads, to realtors and car companies 01:18:51.480 --> 01:18:52.440 and diversify our income. 01:18:52.470 --> 01:18:54.180 And we're trying to do that now to be very clear. 01:18:54.180 --> 01:18:57.180 The reason I keep asking for subscription so much lately is quite 01:18:57.180 --> 01:19:00.330 literally because I'm trying to reduce the amount of financial strain we 01:19:00.330 --> 01:19:03.540 put on the industry because we've been advertiser funded for years. 01:19:04.140 --> 01:19:06.600 And with what's going on, I don't want to go to the industry guys and say like, look 01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:08.160 guys, we've got to increase our rates. 01:19:08.160 --> 01:19:09.390 Paper rates have gone up a ton. 01:19:09.420 --> 01:19:11.160 We've been eating those costs because I really. 01:19:11.940 --> 01:19:14.460 I'm aware of the fact that like I'm a cost center for a lot of these companies. 01:19:14.460 --> 01:19:15.990 I do not want to burden them. 01:19:16.230 --> 01:19:19.769 It's much easier to say, Hey guys, 30 bucks for subscription, like it's 30 bucks 01:19:19.769 --> 01:19:21.570 gets you like an eighth of a tank of gas. 01:19:21.570 --> 01:19:21.929 Nowadays. 01:19:21.929 --> 01:19:23.730 You don't even bat an eye spending at the grocery store. 01:19:24.030 --> 01:19:24.780 You send it to me. 01:19:24.780 --> 01:19:26.160 It makes a big deal in my life. 01:19:26.160 --> 01:19:27.780 And it reduces the strain on the industry. 01:19:28.170 --> 01:19:30.269 These are the sorts of things that we'll all die. 01:19:30.299 --> 01:19:34.049 Our entire culture will just cease to exist as gun owners. 01:19:34.049 --> 01:19:36.719 And as a student of history, that'd be tragic to me. 01:19:36.719 --> 01:19:40.679 Cause I already look at old gun magazines from the turn of the century even, um, 01:19:40.710 --> 01:19:42.389 which I'm hoping to republish soon. 01:19:42.389 --> 01:19:43.200 So the guys can see them. 01:19:43.200 --> 01:19:44.099 Cause they're pretty crazy. 01:19:44.519 --> 01:19:48.389 Um, yeah, like 1920s magazines from like the Aiden days. 01:19:48.780 --> 01:19:49.440 They're awesome. 01:19:49.889 --> 01:19:54.450 Um, I've got the full, I wish I'd there on my shelf over there, but the stack is like 01:19:54.480 --> 01:19:58.035 this big, um, We've already lost that. 01:19:58.095 --> 01:20:00.805 Like I can flip through that and everyone will see all these articles go like, 01:20:00.805 --> 01:20:05.325 wow, I wish we still had these fine gun makers needs, historians that we've lost. 01:20:05.565 --> 01:20:08.535 Well, whatever we got now is what's going to be lost next. 01:20:08.565 --> 01:20:13.335 So get off your ass, basically start working. 01:20:14.685 --> 01:20:15.165 Okay. 01:20:15.315 --> 01:20:16.875 Daniel, thank you so much. 01:20:16.875 --> 01:20:19.095 I really, I always really enjoy our chats. 01:20:19.495 --> 01:20:21.195 It's uh, it's enlightening. 01:20:21.255 --> 01:20:26.685 You're a, you're a Ray of light in an otherwise bleak world here of you 01:20:26.685 --> 01:20:32.565 provide a perspective that I find is a really helpful thank you for 01:20:32.565 --> 01:20:33.795 being on the Silvercore Podcast. 01:20:34.065 --> 01:20:35.475 Thank you for having me always a pleasure.