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Rem: It's true, even heterosexual couples

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Rem: We want to clarify this, even this early.

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Rem: That's not it.

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Alvia: And we're not saying that that decision

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With a Podcast

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Rem: Hi guys and welcome to another episode

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Rem: of The DINKWAP Show.

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Rem: I'm Rem.

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Alvia: I'm Alvia.

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Rem: And the last episode, we talked about

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Alvia: Yeah, that's it.

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Alvia: So the most common, I would say, would

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Alvia: Science has helped, but it's expensive.

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Rem: They really want to have children.

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Rem: Defying Gravity.

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Rem: The delivery was bad, but okay.

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Rem: Even if it's just here in our shenanigans.

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Rem: And really watch out for, especially for

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Rem: You're judging me again.

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Alvia: Wow! Microcosm!

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Rem: But that's where I was surprised.

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Rem: We realized that when we're building the

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Rem: Then we realized that we're not alone in

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Rem: And we want to clarify this.

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Rem: couples' decision to have children.

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Alvia: is better than others.

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Alvia: This lifestyle is not for everyone.

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Rem: Yes.

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Alvia: Maybe someday we change our minds.

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Rem: Everything is still possible.

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Rem: Maybe we'll regret everything we say here.

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Alvia: We can delete this from the internet.

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Rem: But we just want the stigmas around

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Rem: We need to normalize that you have that

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Rem: That's on you as the couple.

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Rem: Those who aren't involved in your relationship

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Alvia: Does that happen?

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Alvia: I was about to say

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Alvia: your aunt or your parents.

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Rem: Christmas and pressure you.

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Alvia: You're not even close.

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Rem: They don't even give you presents.

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Alvia: They give you chocolate and questions.

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Rem: It should be normal.

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Alvia: I read something online.

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Alvia: It reached a point where she doesn't

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Alvia: show up at social gatherings anymore.

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Alvia: Because she's always being interrogated.

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Alvia: They're finding it hard to have a baby.

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Rem: Others choose to be snarky.

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Rem: "Are you the one who'll pay for the child's education?"

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Rem: "If you're going to pay for its education, I'll

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Rem: Life is hard.

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Rem: She really wants to have a grandchild.

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Alvia: She found a way.

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Rem: Actually, that nephew of mine is their

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Rem: They won't get any from us. Sorry,

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Alvia: I used the reverse uno card with her.

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Alvia: I told her, "your son is really hard to take care of."

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Alvia: Reverse uno card.

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Rem: Because I'm forever a baby.

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Alvia: He's the only one.

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Alvia: More than enough.

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Alvia: Ehhhhhh.

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Alvia: Annoying.

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Rem: Anyway.

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Alvia: What a senseless ending.

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Rem: Let's end this.

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Rem: Thank you for watching another episode

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Rem: of the DINKWAP Show.

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Alvia: Let's do this.

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Rem: See you on the next episode.

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Alvia: This is for the thumbnail.

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Rem: Is it this one?

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Alvia: Thank you!

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Rem: Alright, bye!

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