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ca.

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He's a professional skier who's
captivated audiences worldwide.

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He's a stuntman in the
movie Inception and others.

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Survivor of a 1, 600 foot fall
off a mountain in Alaska and

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pushes the boundaries of what
is considered traversable.

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He's someone who's been changing
the concept of what it means to

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be a professional outdoorsman
in a healthy and positive way.

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Welcome to the Silvercore

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Ian McIntosh: podcast, Ian McIntosh.

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Thank you.

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Pleasure to be

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Travis Bader: here.

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You know, when Emily said, you got to
check this guy out, he is a cool dude.

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I got on the internet.

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I started looking at
some of the stuff you do.

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And I would agree with
Emily, you are a cool dude.

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You're doing some pretty amazing
things in the world of skiing and

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just, you know, life in general,
some of the stuff that you get into.

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I'm, I'm curious because, you know,
we're an outdoors podcast and talk

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with the people and businesses
that comprise the community.

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How did you first get started into this?

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Ian McIntosh: Well, I mean, that's just
through my family and where I grew up, I

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guess, or, you know, I'm very obviously
privileged and blessed in that sense.

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I grew up in Invermere, BC, um,
interior BC and my, both my parents

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were avid skiers, backcountry skiers.

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You know, I had the Purcell
mountains at my fingertips.

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I grew up ski racing and, uh, my mom
was a level three ski instructor.

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My dad, uh, dabbled in the guide world.

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And, And was president of the back
country, a HUD association when I grew up.

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So it was just, I was just constantly
in the mountains when I was, I remember

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when I was really little, I don't even,
I didn't even think there was anywhere

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in the world that didn't have mountains.

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Really?

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I remember figuring that out
as a kid, like, whoa, there's

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places that don't have mountains.

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I thought everywhere did.

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And so, you know, very privileged in
that sense and blessed in that sense

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that I grew up in that environment and,
uh, Yeah, my parents were always just

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pushing me outside and, and, you know, I,
I developed a passion for it pretty early.

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I

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Travis Bader: read that you
learned to ski before you

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Ian McIntosh: learned to walk.

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Right around the same time.

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Yeah, it was basically
the same, same time.

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Um, now obviously having kids now, I
realize that the notion of like taking

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a two year old skiing is, is novel.

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Novelty, um, or a less
than two year old skiing.

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So it's very novelty skiing at
that point, but, but nonetheless,

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you know, got the skis on, got the
feel for it at a super young age.

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I, I learned how to ski
before I remember for sure.

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So, uh, for me, it's,
it's the same as walking.

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Travis Bader: So, you know, I I've read
through, you've got a number of quotes.

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I'm going to get into
them in a little bit, but.

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There was a couple of, there's one viral
fall that really captivated my attention.

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Cause it was whole thing
was caught on video.

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That was 1600 feet in Alaska.

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And you were what, heli dropped in
on a mountain and decided to just run

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this line and everything went sideways.

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Ian McIntosh: Yeah.

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I mean, basically, um, you know, I've,
Doing what I do for a living, there's a

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certain amount of steps that you take,
um, when you're approaching these kinds

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of mountains that, that you do to ensure
that you're doing it safely and that

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you're going to, you know, uh, ski out
the bottom and, uh, that particular

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face, we really wanted it on that trip.

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And it was this, this type of
face that was so North facing,

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it only got light and the Ridge
that went off of it, it only got.

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Sunlight on it for like
15 minutes at like 7 AM.

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And so we had to get the heli off
the ground before, you know, it

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was even technically supposed to be
legally allowed to, and we had to,

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you know, we, and then we skipped
all these, like, you know, the amount

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of time that we spend scoping lines.

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And I honestly looked at the
mountain is not that tough of a ski.

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Like it's for the mountains
that I ski, that was pretty

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easy line for me, I thought.

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And so I didn't really give the mountain.

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The respect it deserved.

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And I paid the price for all that.

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I, I, you know, I skipped a lot of steps.

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I rushed it.

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I didn't pay homage or respect to the
mountain and then yeah, dropped in.

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And the, and the light was really playing
tricks with my eyes and the shadows.

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And, uh, we call these like kind
of fluted features in Alaska.

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We call them spines.

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And I was on the sunny side of
the spine and I thought I could

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do a turn on the shady side, but
the shady side was just like this

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vertical wall that dropped into a.

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Ditch into a trough.

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And once I fell into that trough, I knew
it was either, okay, I could straight

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line this whole mountain, which I'm
going to explode at the bottom and

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probably break myself into pieces, or
I can try and get back onto the spine.

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And when I tried to get back on the
spine, because it was such a steep little

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vertical wall, it basically just high
sided me, spun me around backwards and

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I lost both my skis and I was tumbling.

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Um, yeah.

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And then next thing I know,
uh, that video goes out.

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And it's viral and I'm on good morning,
America and CNN and all this stuff.

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Um, yeah, it was a bit of a
whirlwind for a few days there.

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What

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Travis Bader: was going through your
mind right as you're dropping in?

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Ian McIntosh: Right as I was dropping
in, um, not much, like just like, you

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know, typically that's what I love about
what I do is when you drop in, there's,

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you're just reacting, your, your brain
shuts off and it's like, it's kind of

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almost this meditative state where,
where you stop thinking about everything.

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And you're just now doing.

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It's a forced presence.

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It's very, yeah, very forced presentness.

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And so I, uh, yeah, not much.

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I was just thinking about, you know,
linking turns and, and, um, not until

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did I drop off the wrong side of the
spine, did anything occur to me that it

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was going to be challenging or difficult
or, or weird or anything like that.

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So before I knew it, I was
tomahawking down that mountain.

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So the second

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Travis Bader: you start tomahawking.

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In your head, what's going on

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Ian McIntosh: in my head?

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I'm like, I'm going to the bottom
of this mountain and, uh, this

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sucks and I'm inhaling tons of snow.

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And basically those troughs were
all that they're formed from this

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because the mountain's so steep,
it's constantly shedding snow

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and it sheds in those troughs.

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So the bottom of the trough is like
rock hard as hard as this table.

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And so I'm just like bouncing off of
what feels like ice and, and getting

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pushed by all the moving snow.

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And I knew I was going to the bottom.

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So I was just like, I gotta just.

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Like try and grit and bear it.

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And, you know, um, I think I was on like
the Jason Ellis show and he was like, it

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sounded like Homer Simpson falling into
the Springfield Gorge, like, oh, yeah,

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that was me like the whole way down.

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But, uh, you know, I pulled my
airbag to think like, maybe that'll

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provide me some sort of protection.

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Um, it was just kind of biding my
time until I got to the bottom.

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Really.

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Did it

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Travis Bader: cross your mind?

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You might not make it through that fall.

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Ian McIntosh: Um.

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My biggest concern was at the bottom of
these mountains, there's the thing, a big

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crack usually where the glaciers pulling
away from the base of the mountain.

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That's called the Berks run.

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And my concern was going in that,
but then I felt myself go over that.

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I felt myself do a double flip where all
my other Tomahawks were single flips.

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And so I felt myself do a double flip.

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And I was like, that was the Berks run.

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I'm almost at the bottom.

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And I knew like, once I, once
I was past that, I felt like

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I was going to be all good.

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So that was my big concern.

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Did you ever get your skis back?

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Uh, yeah, actually, um, my good friend,
Angel Collinson, she was still up

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top cause she was going to ski a line
and we kind of aborted all everyone

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else skiing lines on the face and
she just kind of picked her way down

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slowly and gathered my gear for me.

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Travis Bader: That wasn't the first
kind of big spill that you took, was it?

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Ian McIntosh: No, uh, I'd say that one.

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And then in 2011, uh, which was many years
earlier was probably my biggest crash.

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And that was again in Alaska.

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Travis Bader: And so yours, you said
something I thought was kind of cool.

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You said you didn't pay
homage to the mountain.

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What do you mean by that?

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Ian McIntosh: Uh, I mean, mother nature
deserves respect is what I mean by that.

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And it doesn't matter if you're going
hunting or fishing or, um, mountain

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biking or skiing or whatever it is.

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If you're playing in mother nature and
you're out in the wilderness, it deserves

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respect in the mountains, especially
the snow covered mountains deserve an

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extra level of, of respect, I feel.

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And, uh, by not.

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You know, doing my due diligence, uh,
beforehand, before I ski it, I feel like

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I'm disrespecting the mountain in a way.

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And, and ultimately when you do
that, you, you can pay the price.

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We had

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Travis Bader: a guest on here
before she was on the TV show alone,

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where they drop you off and you've
got to survive all on your own.

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And Nikki Van Schendel and
she, um, she was an ace in the

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hole for, uh, for that show.

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They ended up giving
her a medical RTU, just.

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Because the doctor said
she'd lost too much weight.

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She said she felt she
was on top of the world.

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Right.

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But there's something that she
said that always stuck with me.

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Um, she says, you know, when you come
from the city and you go into the woods,

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all the little brown birds are chirping.

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Yeah.

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All the squirrels are chirping at you.

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You're not in sync with what's going on.

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And she says, every time that she
leaves one environment to go into the

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next one, when she leaves the city
or wherever she was a little higher,

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faster pace to go into the forest.

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She'll say, hello, forest.

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It's me, Nikki.

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And she'll introduce herself and
she'll go through this process.

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And it sounds.

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I like that.

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It sounds airy fairy, but you know what?

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I do it as well.

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And she says, the forest will accept you.

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The, the birds will stop chirping.

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The squirrels will stop.

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So you start, cause about
day three, if you're.

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If you're just doing, going into
the forest without going through

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a process, usually by about day
three, things start ignoring you

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and you start finding your flow.

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And you, you, you work with.

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Ian McIntosh: Your energy starts
to align with your environment.

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That's it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, everything's energy, right?

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Where we're all, everything
in this world is 99.

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99 to the 12th decibel point of nines of
energy, more than it is mass or anything.

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Right.

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And the forest is all energy.

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All those creatures are energy.

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We're energy.

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We're all admitting energy.

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And so if you walk into the forest
and your energy's not in line with, or

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into the wilderness and your energy's
not in line with that space, like, i.

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e., you were just at camp and you'd
hopped in a helicopter and heli'd to

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the top of a mountain and then dropped
in before you even said, Hey, mountain!

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I'm here to ski you.

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Travis Bader: That's right.

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It sounds cheesy, but there's

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Ian McIntosh: something to it.

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There is something to it.

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And whether it's just, you know, internal
or, or it is definitely something linked

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to that energy that connects everything.

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Um, yeah, it, there's, there's
a bit of that going on and

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you got to pay homage for

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Travis Bader: sure.

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Well, it sounds like there's
a bit of an energy shift.

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For you after the 2011 injury,
do you want to talk about this?

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What, what was going on
in your life at the time?

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What was the

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Ian McIntosh: injury?

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Yeah.

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So, I mean, I've told this story
a few times obviously, but, uh, at

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that time, you know, I was pretty on
top of the world with my ski career.

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Uh, things were feeling pretty good,
but my personal life was pretty rocky.

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I was married to a woman that
I'm not, no longer married to.

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Uh, and.

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Uh, it was not going well.

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There was a lot of drama and anxiety
in my life, uh, things were not lining

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up in that respect, and, uh, it was
the same week I threw my wedding ring

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in the garbage, told her I was done,
and then, uh, the next day, we'd been

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waiting three weeks for good weather,
and the next day it popped blue, and

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it was blue for five days, and I wasn't
sleeping, and Cause I was thinking

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about my failed marriage and all the,
everything else that was going on my life.

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And then I, if, if I wasn't thinking
about that, I was thinking about like

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all the gnarly lines I wanted to ski
the next day that I have photos of,

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you know, and that just kept me up
for night after night after night.

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And then by day five, you know, I
was actually having one of the best

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sessions of my life and I was kind of
skiing angry, but like it was working

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out, you know, I was like skiing,
um, at a very high level for me.

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And, and that morning
we went out and skied.

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Pretty amazing line for me.

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Uh, and then, you know, I started
the whole area where I was like,

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I'm not going to ski there.

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Like, that's like a no go zone.

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All of a sudden I'm like, I'm going there.

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And again, it's like this
disrespect for the place.

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Like my initial gut
instinct was don't go there.

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And then, you know.

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My first run went really well.

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My ego gets inflated even more.

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I'm kind of pissed off about everything
else that's going on in my life.

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And I'm like, I'm going to go ski
that and show everyone how rad I am.

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And it's going to be the most next
level thing that anyone's ever seen.

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And everyone will love
me for it, you know?

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And, and so I run, I go up
there, heli up there and drop in.

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And anyway, it took a huge fall,
broke my femur, had to get extracted

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off the mountain, uh, flown back to.

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Uh, Vancouver from, from Alaska and a
Medijet had, you know, a rod put in my

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leg and returned home a few days later,
you know, I'd lost a couple of liters

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of blood, but I turned, came home a few
days later to my home in Pemberton, B.

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C.

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and, and empty house, wife was gone,
uh, broken leg, career might be.

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Hanging in the balance.

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And, uh, it was a huge time of
self reflection and growth for me.

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And I'm a completely different
person than I was before that.

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What process did you go through?

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Oh, well, there's the first, the
process of like, woes me feeling,

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feeling sorry for yourself.

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But then there's like, wait a second.

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I'm, I'm responsible for
everything in my life.

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So take the responsibility, own it.

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Why are you here?

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And it's like, Oh, well, it turns out
you're an egomaniac and everything

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you're doing is to inflate your
ego, including your hot wife.

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That wasn't a proper match for you, but
was, you know, looked a certain way.

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So it inflated your ego
even more, you know?

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Um, and so being able
to kind of reflect on.

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Where I was and like, okay, how
do I move forward in this career?

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And in my life with we all have ego, like
I'm not sitting here, I'm not sitting

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here today claiming I don't have an ego
anymore, but putting all that in check and

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figuring out, um, what's really important
and how do I move forward in what I do

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in career and in life so that I'm staying
true to myself and not doing things so

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that other people will approve of me.

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Or like me or whatever it may be and
turns out I was, I was skiing a lot of

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stuff back in those days to impress.

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Sure.

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Um, and ego is a powerful thing and
I think as a young man, it can get us

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a lot of places, you know, but, uh.

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You know, as someone who is trying
to figure out where I got to and

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how I got there, I, I came to that
conclusion that I needed to put my

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ego in check and start and start
approaching life from a different way.

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Travis Bader: So, I mean, we can
look at somebody like Eckhart Tolle,

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who had the, uh, four agreement.

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Ian McIntosh: Right.

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Or no, sorry.

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That's no, that's Don Miguel Ruiz.

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Uh, Eckhart Tolle.

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Is that the power of now?

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That's him.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Travis Bader: And I love listening to his
stuff, but I can only listen to it for so

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long before I start falling asleep, but,
but maybe that's part of the process.

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Ian McIntosh: Yeah.

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Um, yeah, but yeah, I mean, there's a
lot of, uh, great wisdom in those books

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and it was a, definitely a period for
me where I was reaching to those and

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I still do those self growth books.

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Um, you know, kind of trying to
become a better version of myself.

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Uh, and that was, I think, the time in my
life where I stopped thinking that I knew

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it all and I stopped thinking that I was
the man and I was the best and I started

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going, you know nothing, you're not the
man, and started being more grateful

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for everything I had and started, you
know, just I Putting everything in check.

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And since then, everything is kind of
been working out way better for me.

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Um, since I, since I
realigned myself, if you will.

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Travis Bader: I find that to be a
commonality between successful people

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that I've met or have been on the podcast.

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And that's the common theme is that one
of gratitude, uh, oftentimes talking about

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energy and an energy, two things, whatever
the, whether you can quantify it, put

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your finger on it, or just call it that.

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And, um.

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Being responsible, knowing that.

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Everything that happens to you, whether
it's good or it's bad is based on, on you

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and you have a level of control over it.

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And you know, Eckhart Tolle's got no ego.

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So he says, right.

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Or from what I've heard of,
there's a death of the ego

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and it sounds really neat.

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I, I think a certain level of legal
is important if it's managed properly,

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if people know how to manage it.

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I think Eckhart

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Ian McIntosh: Tolle's book
sales, uh, fuel his ego.

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We all have one.

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I think he's got his very well in check.

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You know, and he's, he, he understands
it and he has a great relationship

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with it, but to say that you have no
ego is, is very, I think, very, uh,

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uncommon or rare, or I don't, I don't
know if I think even Buddha had an ego.

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I'd say so.

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You know, like the most,
I think everyone does.

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It's, it's just a matter of like what
your relationship with your ego is like.

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Yeah.

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Travis Bader: So what's your relationship

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Ian McIntosh: with your ego like?

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Well, these days I've liked to feel that,
um, I'm constantly checking in with that.

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How?

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You know, in just making sure that
I'm a, I'm approaching life, uh, for

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the reasons that I want to approach
life, you know, and, and when I go

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into the mountains, I'm approaching the
mountains because I want to be, do that.

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I'm, I'm skiing a line because I want
to have that adventure because I want

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to prove to myself that I can do that.

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And rather than trying to
prove to everyone else, I've

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got nothing else to prove.

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I don't need to prove to anyone else and I
don't need anyone else's approval anymore.

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And it's funny, the more you do
that, the more approval you get.

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And so it's, it's the whole notion of
like, you know, to, to have abundance,

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you need to first feel abundant.

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Uh, you know, people who feel
like they lack and have lack will

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create more lack for themself.

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People who feel abundant and
grateful and full of gratitude will

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continue to attract more of what
they are grateful for and makes them

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feel abundant in the first place.

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And so that's why I think everyone
always comes back to that gratitude

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thing and it really helps you put
your ego in check because then if

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you can just keep coming back to,
well, what am I grateful right now?

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What do I need?

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Well, I don't need anything.

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You really don't need much, do you?

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No.

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I mean, especially at this point in my
life, I've got everything as a young

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man who is sleeping in a closet and
Whistler paying 200 bucks a month rent.

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So I could ski every day.

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Everything I have right now is what
I dreamt of having in those days.

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And I look back to those days as some
of the funnest times in my life, because

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there was just not a care in the world,
but everything I have, I already have.

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And so how could I not feel.

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Like I am abundant and grateful and all
this sorts of stuff because yeah, I mean

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as we grow we always want more You know,
yes, that's the nature of the beast.

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That's called being a human being but
But realizing and constantly putting

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that in check with like hey the younger
version of you looking at you now

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Travis Bader: I just came back
from a hunting trip with a guy.

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He said, you know, some of the happiest
times in my life were when I had nothing.

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Yeah.

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And I was trying to, I was working
towards something I was trying to make it.

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And you look at me now, it feels
like I got everything and, and, uh,

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but I've got all these stresses and
problems and headaches that go with it.

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Ian McIntosh: More money, more problems,
you know, money, more problems.

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It's, it's, it's the nature of the
beast, but you know, at the same time,

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um, it's, it's, You got to also realize
that like, Hey, all those things that

00:20:37.310 --> 00:20:43.269
you have, you know, you've worked your
butt off for, and yes, now it's, it's,

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I think in, in our society, it's, it's
crucial to not fall into the trap of

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trying to keep up with the Joneses to
just have stuff because everyone else

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has stuff and you need to have, you need
to present this version of yourself.

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That's your ego that wants, wants
all these materialistic things.

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And then those materialistic things
inevitably end up trapping you into this.

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You know, feedback loop where you're
constantly trying to work to pay for

00:21:08.840 --> 00:21:14.050
all your things instead of just being
grateful and not needing anything.

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And then everything, and then more
of everything will just flow to you.

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It's kind of like a interesting way of
looking at it, but the more I embody

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that, the more that is the case.

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I, I

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Travis Bader: agree with you.

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I've said on the podcast in
the past, you know, like money

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is not a motivator for me.

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No.

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Yeah.

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Like when I was younger and I had
nothing and you think, well, man,

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if only I could have X amount, or if
only I could have this item or that

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item, and you reach those stages
and you get them and you realize

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that's not where happiness is found.

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No.

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And.

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I had to release self reflect and
say, what is it that I like to do?

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I like to create, I
like to meet new people.

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I like to, uh, be positive, share
positivity and try and create

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an environment around myself.

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That's going to influence the
world in a more positive way.

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Right.

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And if I can keep building towards that,
The interesting thing is that money

00:22:05.780 --> 00:22:08.969
will be a natural by product of the
hard work and effort that you put in.

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But if you chase that money, you're
always going to be behind it.

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Exactly,

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Ian McIntosh: exactly.

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Let go of the need for it
and then it'll flow to you.

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It's the, it's the need of, or the feeling
of lack versus the feeling of abundance.

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You know, it's like if you're
completely content and you say,

00:22:23.655 --> 00:22:26.995
I don't need money, then all of a
sudden money will be like, here I am.

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It's like

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Travis Bader: being a teenager, man,
it'd be great to have a girlfriend.

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Well, when you have a girlfriend, all
the other girls are interested in you.

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Right.

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It's.

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Yeah.

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Ian McIntosh: Yeah.

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Or like, but I think back to being
a single man, uh, even in between

00:22:39.865 --> 00:22:41.075
my marriages and it was like.

00:22:41.655 --> 00:22:46.955
This need of, of, of wanting a partner or
needing a feeling like you need a partner,

00:22:47.544 --> 00:22:52.645
you'll never find that your partner, it's
when you let go of that desire and that

00:22:52.645 --> 00:22:56.295
need, and you fall in love with yourself
and you become content with who you are

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and where you are, your partner flows to
you and it's the partner of your dreams.

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And that's exactly what
I'm living proof of that.

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It's exactly what

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Travis Bader: happened to me.

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Fall in love with yourself.

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I think that's one of those things
that a lot of people listening.

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We'll have a very difficult time with, I

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Ian McIntosh: mean, I think in the era
of things like social media and constant

00:23:17.850 --> 00:23:24.020
connectivity and all this sort of stuff,
uh, mental health is, uh, at its worst

00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:26.599
and, and yeah, I'll agree with you.

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It's, it's hard to wrap your head around.

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It's hard to get yourself to that place.

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And, and, uh, you know, I wasn't always
where I am mentally, you know, but

00:23:35.800 --> 00:23:38.840
ultimately it's, it's, it's realizing.

00:23:39.055 --> 00:23:42.925
That, um, letting go of all
that is, is the true key.

00:23:44.155 --> 00:23:48.495
Travis Bader: So there's a common thread
I've also seen, and that's people who

00:23:48.505 --> 00:23:51.005
say, look at, make your bed, right?

00:23:51.075 --> 00:23:52.184
Tighten up your belt.

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Yeah.

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Straighten up, fly right.

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You're fully responsible for everything in
your life and everything that happens to

00:23:57.405 --> 00:23:59.889
you, which I a hundred percent believe in.

00:24:00.080 --> 00:24:00.380
Yeah.

00:24:00.460 --> 00:24:03.690
And live by, but there's
a dichotomy there as well.

00:24:04.060 --> 00:24:07.740
There's a level of control that an
individual will try and feel over every

00:24:07.780 --> 00:24:11.610
aspect of their life in order to make sure
that things are going in the right path.

00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:14.050
And there's, there's a point
where they have to let go and just

00:24:14.069 --> 00:24:18.599
understand what's going to be, is
going to be, or essentially accept.

00:24:19.034 --> 00:24:20.955
Things for, as they are, I

00:24:20.985 --> 00:24:21.344
Ian McIntosh: think.

00:24:21.364 --> 00:24:21.975
Yeah.

00:24:22.074 --> 00:24:22.374
Yeah.

00:24:22.374 --> 00:24:25.884
And I mean, it's, it's like a funny
analogy, but I don't know why it came

00:24:25.884 --> 00:24:30.044
to my head, but, uh, it's like the
stock market, for instance, if you like

00:24:30.345 --> 00:24:34.904
do your homework and invest in some
good stuff, but then you're trying to

00:24:34.914 --> 00:24:39.574
constantly play the game of trading and
buying and selling sell, you know, sell

00:24:39.574 --> 00:24:44.084
high, buy low, all you're going to end
up losing money or make very little.

00:24:44.094 --> 00:24:47.764
Whereas if you just like let go,
you're like, okay, I've put that there.

00:24:48.300 --> 00:24:51.830
And don't look at it for 20 years,
you're going to come back and realize

00:24:51.830 --> 00:24:55.580
that your money's growing at least 10%,
if not like way, way more, you know?

00:24:55.580 --> 00:25:01.350
And so, um, yeah, it's, it's that letting
go of, of, of control over it all.

00:25:01.409 --> 00:25:04.140
And I think that's a lot of, a
lot of people make that mistake.

00:25:04.479 --> 00:25:04.579
Yeah.

00:25:04.579 --> 00:25:08.010
Travis Bader: You also highlight a really
important point that it's a long game.

00:25:08.340 --> 00:25:09.020
It's not a short game.

00:25:09.020 --> 00:25:10.760
And so many people look,
I'm on top of the world.

00:25:10.790 --> 00:25:11.680
Oh, I'm the bottom.

00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:12.330
I'm on top.

00:25:12.350 --> 00:25:13.110
I'm on bottom.

00:25:13.170 --> 00:25:13.730
What's your long

00:25:13.730 --> 00:25:14.460
Ian McIntosh: game look like?

00:25:14.760 --> 00:25:17.750
Well, the long game is, is,
is making sure that you.

00:25:17.965 --> 00:25:21.895
That you continue to, uh, create a
life that you want to be grateful

00:25:21.895 --> 00:25:26.415
for, you know, um, gratitude breeds
more things to be grateful for.

00:25:26.565 --> 00:25:31.694
Um, and so, yeah, my long game personally,
like what are my current dreams?

00:25:31.725 --> 00:25:32.065
Yeah.

00:25:32.555 --> 00:25:33.325
Oh shit, man.

00:25:33.675 --> 00:25:40.095
So much like that's, I think, I think
having dreams is a huge part of feeling

00:25:40.095 --> 00:25:45.395
alive and being human, but not just
having dreams and, and being too scared

00:25:45.404 --> 00:25:49.985
to pursue them, like actually going and
getting them, you know, and for me right

00:25:49.985 --> 00:25:54.195
now, um, you know, I've got a multitude
of things that I could list right now.

00:25:54.420 --> 00:25:58.090
But I'll, I'll take the one off the
top of top of my head that sticks out

00:25:58.090 --> 00:26:02.980
the most is I want to get a big old
50 foot catamaran, sail catamaran.

00:26:02.980 --> 00:26:05.030
And I want to take my
family around the world.

00:26:05.699 --> 00:26:06.769
Sail around the world.

00:26:06.850 --> 00:26:08.359
Do I currently know how to sail?

00:26:08.610 --> 00:26:09.379
Very little.

00:26:09.439 --> 00:26:10.070
Oh, I love it.

00:26:10.399 --> 00:26:13.219
But I am going to achieve that
and I'm going to achieve it.

00:26:13.259 --> 00:26:14.790
And there's no timeframe.

00:26:15.010 --> 00:26:15.919
But I will.

00:26:16.310 --> 00:26:20.100
And, uh, that's one of my goals
and it has nothing to do with

00:26:20.129 --> 00:26:21.529
what I currently do in my life.

00:26:21.860 --> 00:26:22.969
But that's what I love about it.

00:26:22.969 --> 00:26:25.019
That's maybe why I'm so drawn to it.

00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:28.340
I've spent my life in the mountains
and there's this whole ocean out there.

00:26:28.590 --> 00:26:28.779
Yeah.

00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.199
Like world of ocean, like so much ocean.

00:26:31.199 --> 00:26:34.639
And, and, you know, I mean, there's a
bit of sailing background in my family.

00:26:34.639 --> 00:26:38.249
Like my grandfather built a boat and
my uncle sails and so on and so forth.

00:26:38.249 --> 00:26:42.339
But for me more, it's just that like,
it's this whole new frontier of adventure

00:26:42.350 --> 00:26:47.975
and, and, um, Takes this whole new
skill set that I don't currently have.

00:26:47.975 --> 00:26:51.955
And, and, you know, is going to challenge
me and push me in so many different

00:26:51.955 --> 00:26:53.484
ways that I haven't done before.

00:26:53.775 --> 00:26:54.335
That's what I love

00:26:54.344 --> 00:26:54.725
Travis Bader: about it.

00:26:54.865 --> 00:26:59.175
Well, good friend of mine, Jason,
he's, uh, said something to me

00:26:59.175 --> 00:27:02.365
one time, which has kind of become
a, uh, a motto in our house.

00:27:02.365 --> 00:27:02.745
He says.

00:27:03.215 --> 00:27:04.835
He went, he bought himself a sailboat.

00:27:04.935 --> 00:27:05.155
Yeah.

00:27:05.155 --> 00:27:06.794
I'm like, I didn't know you could sail.

00:27:06.875 --> 00:27:08.165
He said, what do you, what do you mean?

00:27:08.495 --> 00:27:09.685
Anyone can sail a boat.

00:27:09.725 --> 00:27:12.595
You just, it's a boat and it's
got a sail and you point the wind

00:27:12.595 --> 00:27:13.675
into it and you can sail a boat.

00:27:13.854 --> 00:27:15.065
Am I going to be great at it?

00:27:15.085 --> 00:27:16.375
No, but I'll figure it out.

00:27:16.465 --> 00:27:16.565
Right.

00:27:17.284 --> 00:27:17.585
Ian McIntosh: Yeah.

00:27:17.585 --> 00:27:21.195
I mean, the sailboats were built
by humans for humans to operate.

00:27:21.264 --> 00:27:21.495
Right.

00:27:21.495 --> 00:27:22.715
So if you're a human being.

00:27:23.225 --> 00:27:24.595
You should be able to figure out how to

00:27:24.605 --> 00:27:25.115
Travis Bader: operate.

00:27:25.975 --> 00:27:27.764
So whenever there's something
challenging or something

00:27:27.774 --> 00:27:29.175
coming up, talk with the kids.

00:27:29.475 --> 00:27:30.495
Anyone can sail a boat.

00:27:30.534 --> 00:27:32.564
This has become a little
catechism that we just

00:27:33.345 --> 00:27:33.965
Ian McIntosh: keep throwing in.

00:27:33.965 --> 00:27:34.445
That's awesome.

00:27:34.465 --> 00:27:34.955
I love it.

00:27:35.125 --> 00:27:39.314
Travis Bader: Um, yeah, I remember
about 20 years ago, I was teaching

00:27:39.314 --> 00:27:43.274
a course out at, I think it was a
Renfrew park community center, maybe

00:27:43.274 --> 00:27:44.745
it was a Croatian cultural center.

00:27:45.490 --> 00:27:49.830
A guy came in, he'd written a book
about sailing around the world and, uh,

00:27:49.870 --> 00:27:52.320
interesting fellow, adventurous spirit.

00:27:52.330 --> 00:27:56.429
And he went out with his wife and he
says, well, we made it to Australia.

00:27:56.580 --> 00:28:01.060
And then we realized that, uh, we weren't
meant to be in such tight, confined

00:28:01.060 --> 00:28:02.700
quarters for such a long period of time.

00:28:02.869 --> 00:28:05.720
I give it to her, she stuck
with me for that long, but,

00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:06.840
uh, we're no longer married.

00:28:06.945 --> 00:28:07.395
So yeah,

00:28:07.395 --> 00:28:10.135
Ian McIntosh: there's, uh, there's
probably two things that'll test a

00:28:10.135 --> 00:28:11.445
marriage more than anything else.

00:28:11.445 --> 00:28:14.285
And that's having kids and then
putting yourself on a sailboat.

00:28:15.625 --> 00:28:17.654
Yeah, that'll test your marriage for sure.

00:28:17.675 --> 00:28:21.095
I mean, my, my uncle and my aunt,
uh, sailed halfway around the world

00:28:21.395 --> 00:28:23.145
on a boat that my grandfather built.

00:28:23.625 --> 00:28:26.049
Uh, and then when they were
in Australia, they were.

00:28:26.260 --> 00:28:26.580
Yeah.

00:28:26.610 --> 00:28:28.250
My aunt was like, I'm going back.

00:28:28.500 --> 00:28:29.830
They live in Fernie, BC.

00:28:29.830 --> 00:28:34.610
And she's like, I'm going back because
I miss my grandchildren or I have

00:28:34.610 --> 00:28:35.879
grandchildren now, I want to see them.

00:28:35.879 --> 00:28:36.590
I miss my kids.

00:28:36.590 --> 00:28:38.929
Like I, I want to be
connected with family.

00:28:38.929 --> 00:28:42.189
And so my uncle sailed solo from
Australia back to Vancouver.

00:28:43.310 --> 00:28:44.300
Travis Bader: That'd be an adventure.

00:28:44.399 --> 00:28:46.310
Like you need an autopilot
on that thing, eh?

00:28:46.310 --> 00:28:46.939
Oh yeah.

00:28:47.239 --> 00:28:47.610
Yeah.

00:28:48.570 --> 00:28:48.790
Yeah.

00:28:48.790 --> 00:28:50.540
I remember reading about Bear Grylls.

00:28:50.540 --> 00:28:55.889
He took a rigid inflatable from, uh, Nova
Scotia over to Ireland and, uh, him and

00:28:55.889 --> 00:28:58.959
I think a couple of other people getting
this book of records, doing this thing.

00:28:58.960 --> 00:28:59.694
And I'm like.

00:29:01.024 --> 00:29:03.415
Just trying to wrap my head
around what that looks like.

00:29:03.415 --> 00:29:06.195
And like, how do you pre plan
for these weather conditions that

00:29:06.195 --> 00:29:07.865
could, may or may not be happening.

00:29:07.875 --> 00:29:08.294
Ian McIntosh: It's.

00:29:08.355 --> 00:29:11.205
It's, it's a wild adventure and
you're really throwing yourself out

00:29:11.205 --> 00:29:13.934
there, especially doing it in like
dinghy, like they did, you know,

00:29:14.355 --> 00:29:18.195
I mean, yeah, it's one thing to
do it in a big ocean going vessel.

00:29:18.195 --> 00:29:20.795
It's another thing to do it
in a, in a small little boat.

00:29:21.575 --> 00:29:25.195
So yeah, they, they threw themselves
out there, but they also probably

00:29:25.195 --> 00:29:25.955
knew what they were doing.

00:29:25.965 --> 00:29:26.335
So,

00:29:26.754 --> 00:29:28.605
Travis Bader: so would you say
that you're an adrenaline junkie?

00:29:30.325 --> 00:29:33.265
Ian McIntosh: I mean, I don't know.

00:29:34.105 --> 00:29:35.075
Sure, I guess.

00:29:35.485 --> 00:29:39.695
I mean, I used, you know, I
used to think so definitely.

00:29:39.994 --> 00:29:43.404
And then, you know, I bass
jumped for a number of years.

00:29:44.180 --> 00:29:48.240
And I remember being in Switzerland
on this three week base jumping trip.

00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:49.790
And I'm like on vacation.

00:29:50.090 --> 00:29:55.579
And when we did like 49 base jumps in
19 days, me and my buddy, and I remember

00:29:55.579 --> 00:29:58.919
at one point, like near the end of the
trip, I'm like, man, I just want to

00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:01.229
stop being scared for a couple of days.

00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:03.490
It was like, almost like.

00:30:03.930 --> 00:30:08.690
I was getting tapped out on adrenaline
and I started to realize that like,

00:30:09.110 --> 00:30:14.259
there is more to life than just being
full of adrenaline all the time.

00:30:15.040 --> 00:30:16.530
Not to say that I don't love it.

00:30:16.530 --> 00:30:19.690
Not to say that, like when I ski a
really nice line and I get to the

00:30:19.690 --> 00:30:25.289
bottom, I don't feel like so fricking
alive, you know, but, um, but yeah,

00:30:25.290 --> 00:30:27.920
a junkie, maybe a connoisseur.

00:30:28.910 --> 00:30:30.480
Travis Bader: I won't
like that or something.

00:30:30.520 --> 00:30:31.660
Adrenaline caught a sewer.

00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:33.400
Ian McIntosh: Yeah.

00:30:33.410 --> 00:30:38.350
I only like the sweetest, most fresh
adrenaline that there is, the purest

00:30:38.530 --> 00:30:43.450
adrenaline now, um, not just like all
the time, whatever adrenaline I can find,

00:30:43.450 --> 00:30:45.000
you know, the, the real special moments.

00:30:46.295 --> 00:30:49.115
Travis Bader: So what is it that
makes you feel alive in those moments?

00:30:49.145 --> 00:30:54.125
Because from a personal perspective, I
know in times when I've done something

00:30:54.185 --> 00:30:59.815
well outside of my comfort zone and the
odds of survival or not survival are kind

00:30:59.815 --> 00:31:01.785
of in the balance there, I know you never.

00:31:02.305 --> 00:31:05.425
Truly feel as alive as
when you've almost died.

00:31:05.995 --> 00:31:06.535
It's true.

00:31:06.725 --> 00:31:09.855
Would that be, what's the sort of driving

00:31:09.855 --> 00:31:10.564
Ian McIntosh: factor there?

00:31:10.905 --> 00:31:11.695
I think so.

00:31:11.745 --> 00:31:12.125
Yeah.

00:31:12.125 --> 00:31:17.445
And I think it's, you know, a, you've
been launched like, like a monk

00:31:17.445 --> 00:31:22.965
who's been practicing for 50 years
to get into this like state of pure.

00:31:23.615 --> 00:31:28.225
Oneness and consciousness you've
been thrust into that world of like,

00:31:28.455 --> 00:31:29.795
I'm not thinking about anything.

00:31:29.795 --> 00:31:30.875
I'm just reacting.

00:31:31.375 --> 00:31:34.865
So it's like this meditative,
very active meditative

00:31:34.865 --> 00:31:35.265
Travis Bader: state.

00:31:35.275 --> 00:31:36.475
It's a forced meditation.

00:31:36.764 --> 00:31:37.014
It's a forced

00:31:37.014 --> 00:31:39.735
Ian McIntosh: meditation like we were
talking about and then and then you

00:31:39.735 --> 00:31:43.955
pop out of it and you've put yourself
right at the edge and pulled it off.

00:31:44.170 --> 00:31:48.780
Just like you knew you could, knew
you would, and there's nothing that

00:31:48.780 --> 00:31:52.720
feels so good because you're like,
it's, it's all those, it's all those

00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:55.989
emotions rushing in, but it's also
the, like, I knew I could do it.

00:31:56.100 --> 00:31:59.360
And you like put yourself out
there because you wanted to

00:31:59.360 --> 00:32:00.860
see what you're capable of.

00:32:01.655 --> 00:32:06.335
And you pulled it off and it was
right on the edge, you know, there's

00:32:06.345 --> 00:32:09.935
something about that, that, yeah,
it makes you feel super alive.

00:32:10.245 --> 00:32:13.725
And that's where I think a lot of
people get trapped into it and they

00:32:13.725 --> 00:32:15.415
become more of the junkie variety.

00:32:15.415 --> 00:32:18.705
And then maybe they start to make,
you know, I've been lucky, uh,

00:32:18.715 --> 00:32:21.605
my, my couple big, bad decisions.

00:32:22.520 --> 00:32:27.120
Uh, in the big mountains I walked
or not walked away from, but I lived

00:32:27.120 --> 00:32:32.950
through and, uh, not everyone gets that
opportunity, you know, so it, there is

00:32:32.950 --> 00:32:36.870
a bit of luck there and so on and so
forth, but yeah, it's, it's really about

00:32:36.879 --> 00:32:43.040
that like feeling of, I've just put
myself to the very edge and I pulled it

00:32:43.040 --> 00:32:45.130
off just like I knew I could, you know.

00:32:45.690 --> 00:32:47.890
Travis Bader: You know, like
you say, Oh, I would say to

00:32:47.890 --> 00:32:49.430
my wife, it always works out.

00:32:50.029 --> 00:32:51.730
And she says, well, that's
because you're still alive.

00:32:53.080 --> 00:32:55.980
When, when you're playing that
game, the workout is, you don't

00:32:55.980 --> 00:32:57.230
get to say that anymore, right?

00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:58.000
Yeah, exactly.

00:32:58.020 --> 00:32:59.760
Ian McIntosh: And you won't even realize.

00:32:59.820 --> 00:33:00.130
Yeah.

00:33:01.270 --> 00:33:03.259
Travis Bader: So a couple of kids now.

00:33:03.350 --> 00:33:03.610
Yeah.

00:33:04.030 --> 00:33:05.330
Uh, two and four.

00:33:05.740 --> 00:33:05.980
Yeah.

00:33:07.089 --> 00:33:11.610
Nothing I found, nothing makes you
recognize your own mortality like

00:33:11.610 --> 00:33:13.650
that of having children yourself.

00:33:13.660 --> 00:33:14.370
100%.

00:33:16.130 --> 00:33:16.170
Uh, it's

00:33:16.190 --> 00:33:21.690
Ian McIntosh: changed my game in the sense
that like, you know, I've had kids and

00:33:21.860 --> 00:33:24.070
I'm a bit older now, same with my wife.

00:33:24.070 --> 00:33:25.710
We're both in our early forties.

00:33:26.329 --> 00:33:32.659
Um, and so it's in the sense that like,
man, I better like be the healthiest

00:33:32.660 --> 00:33:37.080
version of myself so that I can
be around for as long as possible.

00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:41.690
Cause I want to see these two little
girls grow into women and have

00:33:41.690 --> 00:33:44.210
families of their own or whatever
they decide to do with their lives.

00:33:44.990 --> 00:33:48.690
Um, so there's a bit of that and
yeah, it checks your mortality in the

00:33:48.690 --> 00:33:54.140
sense that like, wow, you know, I've,
I'm now at this stage of my life.

00:33:54.149 --> 00:33:57.904
When I was a kid, I looked at
my parents like they're so old.

00:33:58.785 --> 00:34:01.005
And, you know, and now my dad's gone.

00:34:01.005 --> 00:34:04.275
I still have my mom's still around
and, and, but it's like, okay, you

00:34:04.275 --> 00:34:08.594
know, like when these little girls
are my age, I'm going to be on my

00:34:08.594 --> 00:34:10.905
way out if not already, you know?

00:34:10.905 --> 00:34:16.900
And so, yeah, it does in that sense, but
it also, um, It also forces me to make

00:34:16.900 --> 00:34:20.570
sure that I'm really making those good
decisions with everything I'm doing.

00:34:20.980 --> 00:34:25.250
And, you know, I don't want to be the, the
person that like the second I had kids,

00:34:25.250 --> 00:34:27.150
I'm like, okay, I'm done taking risk.

00:34:27.529 --> 00:34:30.990
And then, and then show that to my
kids, like, well, the second I had

00:34:30.990 --> 00:34:34.179
you, I stopped taking risks because
I love you so much, but then I'm not

00:34:34.180 --> 00:34:39.680
showing you how to live your life
properly in my mind, my opinion.

00:34:40.010 --> 00:34:44.270
But you know, Some, some risks
are more tolerable than others.

00:34:44.310 --> 00:34:48.240
I felt before I even had kids, I
felt that base jumping was more

00:34:48.240 --> 00:34:50.270
risk than I was willing to take on.

00:34:50.780 --> 00:34:55.360
Um, and there's a multitude of
reasons for that, but like I wasn't

00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:59.980
even about to have kids yet, but I
just, I just knew that I was probably

00:34:59.980 --> 00:35:01.489
going to kill myself in that sport.

00:35:01.850 --> 00:35:03.050
I wasn't afraid enough.

00:35:03.985 --> 00:35:07.255
And, uh, of, of the
risks that I was taking.

00:35:07.265 --> 00:35:09.945
And so I needed to take a step back.

00:35:09.965 --> 00:35:13.085
And so, yeah, it's finding that, like,
it's different for everybody, finding

00:35:13.085 --> 00:35:16.975
that healthy balance of, of still being
able to put yourself out there and

00:35:16.975 --> 00:35:20.144
take risk because ultimately that's.

00:35:20.395 --> 00:35:23.915
You know, a life well lived and you'll
be happier and so on and so forth,

00:35:24.245 --> 00:35:28.495
but also ensuring now as a parent
that I'm making good decisions and,

00:35:28.915 --> 00:35:32.395
and that, um, you know, I'm going
to set myself up hopefully to live

00:35:32.395 --> 00:35:36.124
the longest life I can too, because
life's too good to just end it short.

00:35:37.715 --> 00:35:40.955
Travis Bader: So when you first
started down this process, we're

00:35:40.955 --> 00:35:42.235
doing pretty damn early age.

00:35:42.235 --> 00:35:44.255
When, when did you first
started getting sponsored?

00:35:44.955 --> 00:35:49.625
Ian McIntosh: Uh, my first like gear
sponsors, I was in my early twenties.

00:35:49.825 --> 00:35:50.085
Okay.

00:35:50.145 --> 00:35:54.075
Um, and then my first contract was 2006.

00:35:56.394 --> 00:35:59.805
Travis Bader: So you were getting up in
your game, getting higher and higher.

00:35:59.835 --> 00:36:00.055
Yeah.

00:36:00.055 --> 00:36:01.475
Ian McIntosh: And now
I think I was like 24.

00:36:01.505 --> 00:36:01.865
So yeah.

00:36:02.165 --> 00:36:03.745
Um, yeah, you know, it was, it.

00:36:04.415 --> 00:36:08.535
You know, I moved out to the Whistler
area, um, from the interior with

00:36:08.535 --> 00:36:11.985
the idea, you know, I thought I was
going to be a guide, which I've now

00:36:12.475 --> 00:36:15.204
got my guide ticket in just the last
couple of years, but I thought I was

00:36:15.205 --> 00:36:16.564
going to be a guide as a young man.

00:36:16.605 --> 00:36:21.315
And, um, I, you know, I kind of
got like these like hunches that I

00:36:21.315 --> 00:36:23.615
could pursue this pro skiing career.

00:36:23.615 --> 00:36:25.795
And I met some guys from
Whistler and they've.

00:36:25.980 --> 00:36:27.760
We're like, dude, you got what it takes.

00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:29.020
Like you should move out to Whistler.

00:36:29.020 --> 00:36:31.970
And, and then I started doing the
contest scene and all that sort of

00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:34.400
stuff and filming and, and everything.

00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:38.450
And yeah, you know, things just kind
of, you know, slowly, you know, for

00:36:38.450 --> 00:36:42.330
an inpatient person, especially a
young twenties, it was taking forever

00:36:42.710 --> 00:36:46.170
looking back at it at all, just kind
of like happened, you know, in the

00:36:46.170 --> 00:36:47.910
right order, how it should happen.

00:36:47.910 --> 00:36:50.580
And I slowly, slowly started
to build my way up and.

00:36:50.945 --> 00:36:54.275
Build my credentials and eventually
got the opportunities I needed to

00:36:54.695 --> 00:36:56.085
start making a living doing it.

00:36:56.395 --> 00:36:59.745
Travis Bader: Were you taking some silly
risks to kind of stand out from the crowd?

00:36:59.815 --> 00:37:00.625
Ian McIntosh: Oh yeah.

00:37:00.685 --> 00:37:00.905
Yeah.

00:37:00.905 --> 00:37:01.085
Yeah.

00:37:01.085 --> 00:37:01.384
Yeah.

00:37:01.414 --> 00:37:05.374
I was, yeah, constantly anyone who
wanted to watch me do anything, I was

00:37:05.395 --> 00:37:10.704
throwing myself three sheets to the
wind, you know, like, uh, no, no fear.

00:37:10.855 --> 00:37:12.275
And just going for it.

00:37:12.695 --> 00:37:16.625
And it didn't matter if it was just
someone on the ski resort, like watching,

00:37:16.635 --> 00:37:20.735
or, you know, there was a camera on me or
whatever it was, or is this is a contest.

00:37:21.094 --> 00:37:24.645
I was like out there to prove
to everyone what I could do,

00:37:24.794 --> 00:37:25.984
or what I thought I could do.

00:37:26.145 --> 00:37:28.365
Travis Bader: You see, that was
a necessary part of the process,

00:37:28.435 --> 00:37:29.465
or would you say that now in

00:37:29.465 --> 00:37:30.015
Ian McIntosh: hindsight?

00:37:30.460 --> 00:37:31.120
I would say yes.

00:37:31.120 --> 00:37:34.340
And that's why I said, like, you know,
going back to the ego thing is like,

00:37:34.560 --> 00:37:39.000
as a young boy, I think that that's
when our egos are strongest or a young

00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:44.629
man, I should say, and that's not
necessarily a bad thing because it's

00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:48.860
going to cause you to pursue your dreams.

00:37:49.100 --> 00:37:55.740
Um, now there is points where you could
maybe go to an unhealthy side of that.

00:37:56.130 --> 00:37:58.950
Um, I started to get to
that unhealthy place.

00:37:59.615 --> 00:38:02.625
And had a huge reality
check as we talked about.

00:38:02.635 --> 00:38:06.275
And that's how I've kind of like
found myself where I am now.

00:38:06.565 --> 00:38:11.134
But I don't think without being
so, uh, egocentric as a young man,

00:38:11.135 --> 00:38:12.224
I would have got where I am today.

00:38:12.735 --> 00:38:14.525
Travis Bader: If your daughter
started going down this route,

00:38:14.805 --> 00:38:16.035
what would you have to say to them?

00:38:17.225 --> 00:38:20.395
Ian McIntosh: I would say, uh,
if, if that's, what's going to

00:38:20.395 --> 00:38:24.464
make you happy, 100%, I support
it full heartedly, but know that

00:38:24.475 --> 00:38:26.454
you're going to beat your body up.

00:38:26.454 --> 00:38:30.875
And then as a middle aged person need
to find a new career and you're going

00:38:30.875 --> 00:38:35.245
to have a beat up body and need to find
a new career because As a professional

00:38:35.245 --> 00:38:37.815
skier, I'm not an NFL football player.

00:38:37.875 --> 00:38:42.005
I'm not making the kind of money where I
can just retire when I'm done my sport.

00:38:42.025 --> 00:38:44.295
I need to find, need to reinvent myself.

00:38:44.625 --> 00:38:48.725
And so as, as long as they're aware of
that and, you know, for me, if I could

00:38:48.725 --> 00:38:52.884
do it all over again, I would probably
try and go down a path where I, you

00:38:52.885 --> 00:38:54.984
know, change the world in, in some way.

00:38:55.344 --> 00:38:58.084
And whatever that looks
like, I don't know, but like.

00:38:59.215 --> 00:39:02.595
I guess, you know, I, it's funny
because on a recent trip in Chile,

00:39:02.965 --> 00:39:06.975
um, a guy, a guy kind of presented
this back to me cause we were having

00:39:06.975 --> 00:39:08.484
a similar, similar conversation.

00:39:08.485 --> 00:39:11.425
He's like, well, you're only 41.

00:39:11.425 --> 00:39:14.225
Why don't you, you still can go do that?

00:39:14.405 --> 00:39:15.625
It's what I just wrote down.

00:39:15.625 --> 00:39:15.985
Yeah.

00:39:15.985 --> 00:39:18.014
And I was like, huh, you're right.

00:39:18.054 --> 00:39:22.045
And so, yeah, there's like some things
in the works that I'm like, Huh, okay.

00:39:22.045 --> 00:39:26.365
There is like some ideas being sparked
of like, how could I, how could

00:39:26.365 --> 00:39:30.595
I do something that would have a
positive impact beyond just inspiring

00:39:30.595 --> 00:39:34.075
people to get outside and inspiring
people to push themselves and, you

00:39:34.080 --> 00:39:36.625
know, whatever I do as a pro skier.

00:39:36.895 --> 00:39:40.915
Um, but yeah, something a little bit
more profound that I can look back at

00:39:40.915 --> 00:39:45.995
my daughters and be like, daddy tried,
daddy, daddy did his best to, to kind

00:39:45.995 --> 00:39:48.155
of set you girls up for, for a future.

00:39:48.630 --> 00:39:52.400
Travis Bader: Well, I think those two
right there are going to be the easiest

00:39:52.450 --> 00:39:56.600
vehicle towards changing the future and
changing, having an impact on the world.

00:39:56.600 --> 00:39:57.240
Ian McIntosh: 100%.

00:39:57.420 --> 00:39:57.700
Yeah.

00:39:58.040 --> 00:39:58.280
Yeah.

00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:02.530
I look at, I look at the next
generation, you know, um, my

00:40:02.530 --> 00:40:03.870
kids, other people's kids.

00:40:03.870 --> 00:40:07.750
I hope people are raising their kids
to, to have those kinds of morals

00:40:07.750 --> 00:40:11.930
and to love nature and to love, um,
the natural world and to want to

00:40:11.930 --> 00:40:13.449
protect it and want to preserve it.

00:40:13.830 --> 00:40:17.700
Um, you know, I think the, you know,
I don't eat meat anymore, but I

00:40:17.729 --> 00:40:21.270
think the hunting community does a
great job of this in a lot of ways.

00:40:21.300 --> 00:40:23.430
There, there are some ways
that maybe could have been.

00:40:23.635 --> 00:40:28.085
Could be done better, but you know,
there's still that passion for nature

00:40:28.085 --> 00:40:32.425
and preserving it and, and wanting it
to be there for future generations so

00:40:32.425 --> 00:40:35.525
that they can go out and experience
the same things and get their own

00:40:35.535 --> 00:40:36.825
wild meat and so on and so forth.

00:40:36.825 --> 00:40:40.474
So, you know, there's a lot of
polarities there and, and, uh, and

00:40:40.475 --> 00:40:44.685
that's, that's all you can hope for
is, is that your kids grow up and, and

00:40:44.795 --> 00:40:49.305
are the voice and, and go out there
and do something to actually make

00:40:49.305 --> 00:40:49.795
Travis Bader: a difference.

00:40:50.205 --> 00:40:53.345
That was one of the things that gave me a
chuckle when Tiffany was talking with you.

00:40:53.345 --> 00:40:57.465
And yeah, do you think I'll be
a good fit for this podcast?

00:40:57.465 --> 00:40:59.025
Because like, I don't eat meat.

00:40:59.155 --> 00:40:59.745
Yeah.

00:40:59.785 --> 00:41:00.225
That's good.

00:41:00.915 --> 00:41:03.915
From my perspective, that's,
that's neither here nor there.

00:41:04.115 --> 00:41:04.455
Ian McIntosh: Yeah.

00:41:04.455 --> 00:41:08.644
And that was just kind of my uneducated,
uh, response to like, okay, it

00:41:08.645 --> 00:41:12.245
seems like you guys are very like,
want to interview people that are

00:41:12.245 --> 00:41:13.605
into hunting and fishing and so on.

00:41:13.735 --> 00:41:15.885
And like, I used to be a meatitarian.

00:41:16.240 --> 00:41:20.230
And they're, if I go live on a sailboat,
I'm going to probably eat fish again.

00:41:20.270 --> 00:41:20.600
Sure.

00:41:20.630 --> 00:41:21.660
You know, um.

00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:22.520
Travis Bader: Oh, you cut fish

00:41:22.520 --> 00:41:22.990
Ian McIntosh: out as well.

00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:23.300
Like everything.

00:41:23.450 --> 00:41:23.760
Yeah.

00:41:23.810 --> 00:41:24.110
Okay.

00:41:24.150 --> 00:41:24.630
Yeah.

00:41:24.720 --> 00:41:28.220
Um, I went full vegan
for three years and then.

00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:28.910
Talk me through this

00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.040
Travis Bader: process because it's
foreign to me, but I'd like to understand.

00:41:32.060 --> 00:41:32.240
Yeah.

00:41:32.240 --> 00:41:32.600
Ian McIntosh: Yeah.

00:41:32.750 --> 00:41:38.990
Um, well, so a good friend of mine, Julia
Murray, uh, Dave Murray, downhiller has.

00:41:41.275 --> 00:41:44.475
It's got a run on Whistler mountain
called Dave Murray downhill,

00:41:45.135 --> 00:41:49.015
his daughter, uh, good friend
of mine and amazing human being.

00:41:49.075 --> 00:41:56.205
She is, you know, your quintessential
high energy vegan chick that, um, she'd,

00:41:56.445 --> 00:42:00.375
she's, you know, works for blogs and
she works, you know, on social media and

00:42:00.375 --> 00:42:02.415
like, that's her job or has been her job.

00:42:02.415 --> 00:42:07.185
She just got a real estate license, but
it has been her job for years, um, to.

00:42:07.900 --> 00:42:09.200
To promote veganism.

00:42:09.240 --> 00:42:11.960
And, you know, I was interested.

00:42:12.040 --> 00:42:12.860
I was like, you know what?

00:42:13.100 --> 00:42:14.860
You're bouncing off the walls with energy.

00:42:15.050 --> 00:42:17.840
You're kicking all the boys butts
on the hill climbs on the bikes.

00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:22.669
And, you know, I'm into whatever you
got going on, let me give it a go.

00:42:22.979 --> 00:42:27.230
And so I, you know, I'm open
minded to anything and I'll try

00:42:27.230 --> 00:42:29.430
anything for at least a while.

00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:30.860
And, um.

00:42:31.305 --> 00:42:31.515
Yeah.

00:42:31.575 --> 00:42:32.595
Veganism was great.

00:42:32.595 --> 00:42:37.345
Like, you know, it takes some
time to adjust to and figure out

00:42:37.415 --> 00:42:39.515
how to get your proper nutrition.

00:42:39.934 --> 00:42:40.504
Is that hard?

00:42:41.165 --> 00:42:41.915
At first.

00:42:41.915 --> 00:42:42.245
Yeah.

00:42:42.245 --> 00:42:43.834
Cause you're just like, what do I eat?

00:42:43.834 --> 00:42:44.884
I don't know what to eat.

00:42:45.004 --> 00:42:50.084
And like, you, you know, you're
constantly missing things in your diet.

00:42:50.125 --> 00:42:52.374
And then as time goes
on, it's less difficult.

00:42:52.704 --> 00:42:53.134
Now.

00:42:53.370 --> 00:42:59.280
You know, last year I went to Italy with
my family for three weeks and we got back

00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:03.270
into the cheese pretty hard and I came
back and I'm like, okay, you know what?

00:43:03.270 --> 00:43:06.210
Like vegetarian actually for
now is where I want to be.

00:43:06.509 --> 00:43:10.380
And I don't know if a year from now I'm
going to go back to being vegan or go back

00:43:10.380 --> 00:43:12.130
to eating meat or pescetarian, whatever.

00:43:12.130 --> 00:43:13.410
I'm open to anything.

00:43:13.750 --> 00:43:15.630
I'm not closed minded about anything.

00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:18.320
I'm just, this is what feels
right for me right now.

00:43:18.650 --> 00:43:20.270
You know, I've got this really sick.

00:43:20.555 --> 00:43:24.055
Gosney pizza oven sent to
me and, and I saw that.

00:43:24.155 --> 00:43:24.425
Yeah.

00:43:24.425 --> 00:43:25.994
And so I'm like, I did not

00:43:25.995 --> 00:43:26.825
Travis Bader: put pepperoni on that

00:43:26.825 --> 00:43:27.105
Ian McIntosh: pizza.

00:43:27.175 --> 00:43:30.954
Well, I mean, I, yeah, I don't put
pepperoni on it, but a lot of my

00:43:30.955 --> 00:43:34.055
friends put there, you know, I cook
a lot of pepperoni pizzas at my house

00:43:34.415 --> 00:43:39.445
for my friends, you know, football
Sundays and stuff, but, um, For me,

00:43:39.445 --> 00:43:43.455
it was like, I, this fake cheese,
this like cashew cheese is great.

00:43:43.485 --> 00:43:44.785
Like, I don't, it's just a dip.

00:43:44.795 --> 00:43:45.615
I don't call it cheese.

00:43:45.875 --> 00:43:49.585
You know, it's like all these other vegan
cheeses that are like made from nuts.

00:43:49.615 --> 00:43:51.715
They're, they're delicious
and good for you.

00:43:51.715 --> 00:43:52.045
Yes.

00:43:52.465 --> 00:43:57.705
But like the type of fake cheese
that melts on a pizza doesn't work.

00:43:57.714 --> 00:44:01.305
It's made of coconut oil and a million
other ingredients you can't pronounce.

00:44:01.315 --> 00:44:04.175
So that's in my mind, not better for you.

00:44:04.730 --> 00:44:08.050
Um, and so that's where I kind
of started drawing the line.

00:44:08.050 --> 00:44:11.920
I'm like, I like pizza and I'm going
to have real cheese on my pizza.

00:44:12.730 --> 00:44:13.150
Travis Bader: Damn it.

00:44:13.330 --> 00:44:14.180
I'm not going to have a bacon.

00:44:14.180 --> 00:44:14.200
If

00:44:15.240 --> 00:44:18.820
Ian McIntosh: I'm not having all this
other amazing like meat product, I'm going

00:44:18.820 --> 00:44:20.580
to at least have some good cheese on it.

00:44:20.630 --> 00:44:21.570
I'm with you on that one.

00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:21.939
Yeah.

00:44:22.060 --> 00:44:22.540
Yeah.

00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:23.190
So that's.

00:44:23.630 --> 00:44:24.720
Yeah, that's where I'm at right now.

00:44:24.720 --> 00:44:28.400
But like I say, um, you know,
I've, I've, I've had every

00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:29.870
diet and there is in the world.

00:44:29.870 --> 00:44:31.740
And, um, this is the one I'm on now.

00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:35.580
Travis Bader: Got a couple of
quotes that, uh, you have here.

00:44:35.580 --> 00:44:36.810
I thought they were interesting.

00:44:37.060 --> 00:44:37.530
Ian McIntosh: Sure.

00:44:39.240 --> 00:44:43.059
Travis Bader: It says to succeed as a
pro skier, you can't be self motivated.

00:44:43.429 --> 00:44:45.949
You have to let go of
the ego in this industry.

00:44:45.999 --> 00:44:47.579
There's only group success.

00:44:47.750 --> 00:44:49.890
And if you're focused on
the individual, you'll be

00:44:49.890 --> 00:44:50.540
Ian McIntosh: alienated.

00:44:50.710 --> 00:44:51.160
Yeah.

00:44:51.660 --> 00:44:57.139
I've, I've seen a lot of athletes in our
sport that people don't want to work with.

00:44:57.370 --> 00:45:02.290
Um, some of them have continued to
find success cause they're so, they're

00:45:02.290 --> 00:45:07.040
so freaking talented, but they just
make their own movies, you know?

00:45:07.450 --> 00:45:08.300
Um, but.

00:45:08.700 --> 00:45:13.710
If you're not one of those people,
when you go on to film a ski movie,

00:45:13.830 --> 00:45:18.409
a, you're part of a ski movie
that has 20, 30 athletes in it.

00:45:19.049 --> 00:45:20.559
You want the whole film to be good.

00:45:21.969 --> 00:45:27.469
You're going on trips that have
cinematographers, safety personnel,

00:45:27.819 --> 00:45:29.854
you know, maybe chefs, maybe, you know.

00:45:30.135 --> 00:45:33.995
The laundry list of photographers, the
laundry list, heli pilots, all these

00:45:33.995 --> 00:45:37.375
other people that you're working with, all
the other athletes that are on the trip,

00:45:37.395 --> 00:45:41.765
you're also working with collectively,
you want to make a good product.

00:45:42.245 --> 00:45:48.305
And so to go out every day and you
yourself only gets good shots and gets

00:45:48.315 --> 00:45:50.555
good lines and everyone else crashes.

00:45:51.225 --> 00:45:53.515
Do you want to know what the vibe
is like at the end of the day?

00:45:53.565 --> 00:45:54.615
Oh, it's gotta be terrible.

00:45:54.615 --> 00:45:55.615
You're like inside.

00:45:55.615 --> 00:45:57.515
You're like, that was sick day.

00:45:57.515 --> 00:45:58.704
But like everyone else is just like.

00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:01.760
So down in the dumps, it's no fun.

00:46:01.770 --> 00:46:06.490
And then also now the portion of the
film that you're trying to make isn't as

00:46:06.490 --> 00:46:10.250
good because all the only person that's
doing anything good is maybe yourself

00:46:10.250 --> 00:46:14.779
at that point in time, much better is
when everyone crushes it at their job.

00:46:14.829 --> 00:46:16.920
Cinematographers nailed the shot.

00:46:17.130 --> 00:46:18.859
Every skier nails their line.

00:46:19.070 --> 00:46:20.770
The photographer nails their shot.

00:46:20.940 --> 00:46:22.360
The guides did a great job.

00:46:22.370 --> 00:46:24.340
The pilot flew the heli so well.

00:46:25.245 --> 00:46:28.255
Everyone crushed the chef makes
a great dinner that night.

00:46:28.575 --> 00:46:30.475
Everyone crushed it at their job.

00:46:30.515 --> 00:46:33.585
And the vibe is through the roof,
the energy is through the roof.

00:46:33.825 --> 00:46:38.694
And then that energy carries through
the whole trip and the film as a whole.

00:46:38.915 --> 00:46:41.535
And so now you're part
of something greater than

00:46:41.535 --> 00:46:44.005
yourself and your part and you.

00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:47.870
Your active player in making
the collective whole succeed.

00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:50.780
And if the collective whole
succeeds, you succeed more.

00:46:51.710 --> 00:46:52.180
That's awesome.

00:46:52.220 --> 00:46:52.750
Then by

00:46:52.750 --> 00:46:53.240
Travis Bader: yourself.

00:46:53.460 --> 00:46:57.190
Actually part of a group called
the collective is some special

00:46:57.190 --> 00:46:59.040
forces folk and military folk.

00:46:59.040 --> 00:46:59.540
Have you heard of them?

00:46:59.569 --> 00:46:59.860
The collective?

00:46:59.860 --> 00:47:00.159
Yeah.

00:47:00.200 --> 00:47:00.480
Yeah.

00:47:01.160 --> 00:47:01.550
Yeah.

00:47:01.620 --> 00:47:01.870
Yeah.

00:47:02.750 --> 00:47:07.000
But, um, Every single day, at least for a
year, putting out new podcasts and stuff.

00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:08.090
And it's the same mentality.

00:47:08.090 --> 00:47:09.240
How do we make the collective better?

00:47:09.240 --> 00:47:10.180
How do we work together?

00:47:10.250 --> 00:47:10.550
Right.

00:47:10.630 --> 00:47:14.339
And in the hunting world, it was an
interesting one because, uh, like you look

00:47:14.340 --> 00:47:19.755
at social media and you see the, uh, The
Instagram famous and the famous social

00:47:19.755 --> 00:47:23.785
media, people who are out there hunting
and all the hero shots, and they're going

00:47:23.785 --> 00:47:25.705
back home with game over their shoulder.

00:47:25.705 --> 00:47:27.434
And it's all about them.

00:47:27.615 --> 00:47:27.935
Yeah.

00:47:27.965 --> 00:47:31.615
I was over in Nuremberg a few months
ago and I was talking to the head of

00:47:31.615 --> 00:47:35.054
the, um, hunter education and firearms
training for the Bavarian region.

00:47:35.055 --> 00:47:37.485
He was saying, it's completely
different over here.

00:47:37.735 --> 00:47:38.985
Like we've got a process.

00:47:38.985 --> 00:47:42.335
If you go out, especially for your
first hunt, your first stag that you're

00:47:42.335 --> 00:47:47.570
getting, when you're successful on
that, you're You don't come back and

00:47:47.570 --> 00:47:49.150
you're not celebrated by everybody.

00:47:49.170 --> 00:47:53.190
It's your job now to celebrate the person
in camp who's cooking, the person who

00:47:53.190 --> 00:47:54.710
helped set up, the people who are out.

00:47:54.710 --> 00:47:54.990
Yeah.

00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:56.840
Everybody else who made this possible.

00:47:56.909 --> 00:47:57.519
Totally.

00:47:57.610 --> 00:47:59.260
And I really like that mentality.

00:47:59.260 --> 00:48:02.399
And it sounds like you've taken a
very similar mentality to that German

00:48:02.769 --> 00:48:05.290
hunting protocol to your, to your

00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:05.680
Ian McIntosh: work.

00:48:05.690 --> 00:48:06.220
For sure.

00:48:06.240 --> 00:48:13.155
And the more I've taken that mentality,
To what I do, the more success I find and

00:48:13.155 --> 00:48:19.005
not just in skiing in life, everything
I do with has that mentality going into

00:48:19.005 --> 00:48:25.155
it with my wife, raising our Children,
you know, is if we have this collective

00:48:25.155 --> 00:48:27.945
mentality, we nothing can ever stop us.

00:48:28.615 --> 00:48:33.340
We're unstoppable and will always
succeed, you know, because uh, Trying

00:48:33.340 --> 00:48:37.290
to just do it on your own, man, it's
a lonely road and it's a tough one.

00:48:37.810 --> 00:48:38.850
Um, you know.

00:48:38.900 --> 00:48:39.330
And you get

00:48:39.330 --> 00:48:40.050
Travis Bader: there at the end.

00:48:40.690 --> 00:48:41.450
And nobody cares.

00:48:41.510 --> 00:48:42.030
That's it.

00:48:42.600 --> 00:48:44.170
Everyone knows it's not the destination.

00:48:44.170 --> 00:48:44.729
It's a journey.

00:48:44.730 --> 00:48:48.349
So if we can realize that part,
that it's a journey, who are

00:48:48.350 --> 00:48:49.299
you doing the journey with?

00:48:49.339 --> 00:48:50.029
Ian McIntosh: Exactly.

00:48:50.099 --> 00:48:53.390
Um, you know, one of the major film
companies I work with is Teton Gravity

00:48:53.390 --> 00:48:58.450
Research, um, you know, they're an
action sports media brand, uh, and.

00:48:58.965 --> 00:49:03.085
We every year when we we just came
back from our world film premiere of

00:49:03.085 --> 00:49:06.614
our new film in Jackson, Wyoming, and
every year we go up the gondola and

00:49:06.615 --> 00:49:10.615
we have a big feast and it's called
the family dinner and we do speeches

00:49:10.615 --> 00:49:14.405
and we give out awards to the like
the old legacy athletes for, you know,

00:49:14.494 --> 00:49:17.715
um, And it's really this family vibe.

00:49:17.715 --> 00:49:21.955
And that's why I think that brand is,
has been so successful for so long.

00:49:22.355 --> 00:49:26.684
And it feels cool to be part of that
family and to be celebrated as part of

00:49:26.685 --> 00:49:31.334
that family and not just someone that like
people are a, or like maybe just putting

00:49:31.335 --> 00:49:35.805
up with because they have to, or, or be
there just like, they want to, they don't

00:49:35.815 --> 00:49:37.615
really want to bring you into the family.

00:49:37.615 --> 00:49:38.575
You know, you want to be part

00:49:38.575 --> 00:49:38.955
Travis Bader: of that.

00:49:39.265 --> 00:49:40.445
You're not just a meal ticket.

00:49:40.455 --> 00:49:42.345
You're not just someone
who's, it's not just.

00:49:42.695 --> 00:49:43.205
Business.

00:49:43.235 --> 00:49:43.635
Ian McIntosh: Yeah.

00:49:43.695 --> 00:49:43.975
Yeah.

00:49:43.975 --> 00:49:47.425
And so it's, it's, it feels nice
to be part of something like that.

00:49:47.775 --> 00:49:50.655
Um, and with that mentality,
that's what creates that.

00:49:51.525 --> 00:49:51.925
You know,

00:49:52.185 --> 00:49:53.765
Travis Bader: I've had people
tell me before, it's not

00:49:53.765 --> 00:49:55.025
personal, it's just business.

00:49:55.284 --> 00:49:55.474
Yeah.

00:49:55.475 --> 00:49:59.565
And I can understand the concept that
in business, not everyone is going to

00:49:59.565 --> 00:50:02.675
be friends, but you've got a shared
goal that you're working together.

00:50:03.125 --> 00:50:06.315
And that goal is going to take
priority over the individuals.

00:50:06.540 --> 00:50:09.610
That's the collective goal is going
to take priority over the individual.

00:50:09.630 --> 00:50:16.330
But I always come back to every part of
business is personal because business

00:50:16.340 --> 00:50:20.560
is built on trust and relationships
and that trust takes time to create.

00:50:20.600 --> 00:50:24.100
I mean, your reputation is
gotta be impeccable if you want

00:50:24.100 --> 00:50:25.970
to succeed and move forward.

00:50:26.040 --> 00:50:31.450
So when they say it's not personal,
it's business, I'd say it's a good,

00:50:31.450 --> 00:50:34.040
healthy dose dose of both and having that

00:50:34.050 --> 00:50:34.830
Ian McIntosh: perspective.

00:50:34.940 --> 00:50:35.380
For sure.

00:50:35.380 --> 00:50:36.680
And I think that, I think that.

00:50:37.035 --> 00:50:41.655
Sentiment just is a cop out for
people that, uh, prioritize, you know,

00:50:41.675 --> 00:50:43.935
themselves over anyone else around them.

00:50:43.985 --> 00:50:44.425
Mm.

00:50:44.475 --> 00:50:45.975
Um, and that's fine.

00:50:45.975 --> 00:50:48.595
You might get ahead for a while as
that, but then you'll just end up

00:50:48.605 --> 00:50:50.724
being a wealthy, old, lonely person.

00:50:51.005 --> 00:50:51.545
Mm.

00:50:51.605 --> 00:50:54.764
You know, you, with, with nobody
around you instead of the, the

00:50:54.765 --> 00:51:00.095
alternative could be being a wealthy,
old, celebrated person with tons of

00:51:00.135 --> 00:51:04.594
people that love you and respect you
and, and, and then, you know, that day

00:51:04.595 --> 00:51:06.435
that comes where you meet your demise.

00:51:06.700 --> 00:51:09.610
There's a ton of people there
speaking volumes and remembering you

00:51:09.610 --> 00:51:12.680
because what is our legacy, you know?

00:51:12.740 --> 00:51:16.309
Um, and ultimately, you know, if
you're only in it for yourself,

00:51:16.310 --> 00:51:17.569
your legacy is going to be crap.

00:51:18.200 --> 00:51:19.050
Travis Bader: Do you
think about that a lot?

00:51:19.070 --> 00:51:20.020
What's where your legacy is

00:51:20.020 --> 00:51:20.429
Ian McIntosh: going to be?

00:51:21.170 --> 00:51:22.360
Not really.

00:51:22.720 --> 00:51:28.970
Um, but I, you know, like a year
ago, my dad died and so I guess

00:51:28.970 --> 00:51:30.510
it kind of got to front of mind.

00:51:31.160 --> 00:51:33.260
Um, he's got an amazing legacy.

00:51:33.260 --> 00:51:34.980
He was an amazing human being and.

00:51:35.585 --> 00:51:37.125
Uh, very celebrated.

00:51:37.335 --> 00:51:38.825
Um, so...

00:51:39.540 --> 00:51:43.030
Yeah, I think that's like,
ultimately we want to be that person.

00:51:43.030 --> 00:51:43.430
Don't we?

00:51:43.430 --> 00:51:48.540
If, if your motivation is to be the
person that, that nobody remembers

00:51:48.740 --> 00:51:52.619
and nobody cared about, then you're
dead, you're done, you're done.

00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:54.910
Or if you live forever, if you.

00:51:55.130 --> 00:51:58.640
If you, you know, made a big
enough impact on enough people,

00:51:59.080 --> 00:52:00.750
you know, or at least a lot longer.

00:52:00.830 --> 00:52:00.950
They

00:52:00.950 --> 00:52:05.050
Travis Bader: say you died twice, once
when you pass away and the second time

00:52:05.080 --> 00:52:06.580
when the last time your name was uttered.

00:52:06.650 --> 00:52:07.730
Yeah, exactly.

00:52:07.820 --> 00:52:08.500
Exactly.

00:52:09.020 --> 00:52:12.780
So Teton did a, uh, phenomenal,
and I shortened it cause I don't

00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:14.360
know the, uh, the whole Teton.

00:52:14.850 --> 00:52:15.180
What is it?

00:52:15.180 --> 00:52:15.790
Gravity research.

00:52:15.830 --> 00:52:16.610
Gravity research.

00:52:18.050 --> 00:52:19.960
They did a phenomenal interview with you.

00:52:20.750 --> 00:52:21.710
I thought it was really good.

00:52:21.710 --> 00:52:23.140
I pulled a few of the quotes out of there.

00:52:23.210 --> 00:52:25.110
Uh, they took a different approach.

00:52:25.110 --> 00:52:28.090
And now that you're mentioning, there's
sort of that family aspect to it.

00:52:28.090 --> 00:52:28.860
I can see why.

00:52:28.890 --> 00:52:32.629
Cause he, uh, that's what it
felt like when you were, we were

00:52:32.789 --> 00:52:33.809
going through the interview.

00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:34.740
Ian McIntosh: That's good.

00:52:34.740 --> 00:52:35.390
I'm glad that

00:52:35.539 --> 00:52:36.069
Travis Bader: came across.

00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:36.839
Oh, it totally did.

00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:40.549
But one of the things that, uh, came
up was your, your, uh, your, uh,

00:52:40.549 --> 00:52:44.755
your, uh, your Uh, aversion at the
time, anyways, to getting back in

00:52:44.755 --> 00:52:47.995
a helicopter and, uh, using that.

00:52:47.995 --> 00:52:52.755
And it said you were going up by foot and,
uh, summiting your mountains doing two,

00:52:52.755 --> 00:52:58.044
three runs instead of sipping a latte,
going to the top and, uh, what, talk to me

00:52:58.045 --> 00:52:58.445
Ian McIntosh: about that.

00:52:58.865 --> 00:53:03.205
Yeah, I mean, uh, I got to a point in
my career, you know, I was, I guess a

00:53:03.205 --> 00:53:06.995
decade, over a decade as a professional
skier and I just kind of felt like I

00:53:06.995 --> 00:53:12.095
was just doing the same thing every
year and I wanted to switch it up,

00:53:12.475 --> 00:53:14.655
you know, I'm very pro environment.

00:53:14.655 --> 00:53:18.914
I'm very pro, uh, protecting
mother nature and preserving her.

00:53:18.954 --> 00:53:22.845
And so I was like, okay, I'm just
going to like stop traveling so much.

00:53:23.345 --> 00:53:25.845
I'm going to not use helicopters anymore.

00:53:25.845 --> 00:53:28.065
I'm going to not use
my snowmobile anymore.

00:53:28.065 --> 00:53:30.695
I'm I'm going to just like
primarily just hike mountains.

00:53:31.235 --> 00:53:35.475
Um, and that was great for a
few years, but it was funny.

00:53:35.475 --> 00:53:39.265
The first year we did it was
the best year that I found.

00:53:39.425 --> 00:53:39.755
Really?

00:53:39.845 --> 00:53:40.205
Oh yeah.

00:53:40.205 --> 00:53:43.004
We just scored conditions,
terrain, everything.

00:53:43.395 --> 00:53:45.255
I was awarded line of the year.

00:53:45.544 --> 00:53:49.715
Um, which was the first time anyone
had got that award off of a foot

00:53:49.715 --> 00:53:54.925
powered line, like hiking to the line
and everything just kind of lined up.

00:53:54.925 --> 00:53:56.175
And then I was chasing that.

00:53:56.575 --> 00:53:59.425
For years afterwards, and
it wasn't really happening.

00:53:59.425 --> 00:54:03.145
We just kept getting rejected and I kept
sitting there in my tent going, man,

00:54:03.145 --> 00:54:08.755
if I had a helicopter, I could fly like
five miles that way and find good snow.

00:54:09.405 --> 00:54:12.634
And instead we're stuck here
where the snow sucks, wasting

00:54:12.635 --> 00:54:14.205
our time and money, you know?

00:54:14.205 --> 00:54:14.854
And so.

00:54:15.305 --> 00:54:20.915
Uh, and then it was during the
pandemic, um, that all the lodges in

00:54:20.915 --> 00:54:23.085
BC, all the heli ski lodges were empty.

00:54:23.415 --> 00:54:26.284
And I started getting phone calls by
all these lodges that I always wanted

00:54:26.285 --> 00:54:29.045
to go to, but we're always just full
with clients and could care less

00:54:29.045 --> 00:54:30.705
about giving some pro skier a deal.

00:54:31.254 --> 00:54:33.385
And then all of a sudden I started
getting the phone calls and I was

00:54:33.385 --> 00:54:37.165
like, you know what, these are
opportunities I'm going to regret.

00:54:37.325 --> 00:54:42.435
If I don't take, and so I got back in
the heli and I started going, oh man,

00:54:42.905 --> 00:54:45.705
I remember what this is all about.

00:54:46.105 --> 00:54:49.554
And it's not about like just
getting to the top easily.

00:54:49.785 --> 00:54:52.954
It's like, I can hike to the top,
but it's about the repetition.

00:54:53.385 --> 00:54:58.715
It's about how your confidence grows
when you're getting repetition, you

00:54:58.715 --> 00:55:01.825
know, and when you're in the mountains,
you go out, out into the mountains.

00:55:01.825 --> 00:55:03.985
Your first run is like snow check.

00:55:04.734 --> 00:55:06.084
Second run builds on that.

00:55:06.340 --> 00:55:08.460
And then it builds on that and
builds on that and builds on that.

00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:12.550
And like, you know, you get 10 laps in
the day or however many you get on a film

00:55:12.550 --> 00:55:16.410
day, 10 is probably way more than norm.

00:55:16.420 --> 00:55:21.270
Most film days you get like five really
good film laps at the most, but like

00:55:21.290 --> 00:55:23.009
you're still getting all that repetition.

00:55:23.010 --> 00:55:25.240
Whereas like on a foot power
trip, you might only do one.

00:55:25.925 --> 00:55:28.605
Or maybe two, if you're lucky
one in the morning, one in the

00:55:28.605 --> 00:55:30.805
afternoon, you know, that's max.

00:55:30.875 --> 00:55:34.254
And so that repetition, you know,
my confidence started building.

00:55:34.255 --> 00:55:35.605
I'm like, man, I'm skiing.

00:55:35.605 --> 00:55:37.094
Like I'm 20 something again.

00:55:38.290 --> 00:55:42.330
And whereas when I was just doing foot
power, I felt, I started to think that

00:55:42.330 --> 00:55:46.040
I was, I must be getting old because I'm
just not skiing the way I used to ski.

00:55:46.600 --> 00:55:50.000
And it was really the, the one factor
was missing was the helicopter.

00:55:50.160 --> 00:55:51.329
What a mental game, eh?

00:55:51.380 --> 00:55:51.920
Yeah, it is.

00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:52.639
Yeah, for sure.

00:55:52.780 --> 00:55:56.409
I mean, everything is in life,
you know, it's, um, you know,

00:55:56.480 --> 00:55:58.904
we, we become our thoughts.

00:56:00.295 --> 00:56:01.745
You know, our thoughts are energy.

00:56:01.775 --> 00:56:02.875
This is what we were talking about.

00:56:03.035 --> 00:56:06.525
And we become what we think about,
you know, what we obsess about.

00:56:06.855 --> 00:56:12.095
And, you know, if you start thinking
I'm old, I don't have it anymore.

00:56:12.165 --> 00:56:13.475
I'm not feeling it.

00:56:13.694 --> 00:56:14.835
You're going to become that.

00:56:14.904 --> 00:56:18.834
But if you're thinking, it doesn't
matter what, how, what age I am,

00:56:18.835 --> 00:56:20.285
I'm still stoked to be doing this.

00:56:20.285 --> 00:56:21.225
I'm still fired up.

00:56:21.225 --> 00:56:23.765
I've still got a leg up on all
these young bucks out there.

00:56:23.765 --> 00:56:25.835
I'm still, you know, I've still got it.

00:56:25.855 --> 00:56:27.475
Then you're going to
still have it, you know?

00:56:28.585 --> 00:56:31.765
Um, and you're going to be able to
continue to prove that you still have it.

00:56:32.075 --> 00:56:34.855
So yeah, it's, you literally
become your thoughts.

00:56:35.925 --> 00:56:38.525
Travis Bader: I think that's one of
your legacies, something that you can

00:56:38.525 --> 00:56:43.925
do to, uh, promote that throughout
your community and through like just

00:56:43.935 --> 00:56:49.715
through the podcast and whatever the,
um, cause I, I believe in that deeply.

00:56:49.735 --> 00:56:49.915
Yeah.

00:56:49.915 --> 00:56:51.295
You do become your thoughts.

00:56:51.485 --> 00:56:53.935
When you talk about energy
at a friend of mine, he's.

00:56:54.435 --> 00:56:57.325
Similar, I don't know if it's
an ADHD thing or what, but

00:56:57.335 --> 00:56:58.715
he's, he's got it pretty bad.

00:56:58.755 --> 00:56:59.415
Yeah.

00:56:59.995 --> 00:57:04.285
Um, but he got into ham radio
all of a sudden, it's like, okay,

00:57:04.315 --> 00:57:05.974
getting to have interesting, great.

00:57:06.025 --> 00:57:09.725
And he's like rebuilding like these
ancient radios and he's like, see this

00:57:09.725 --> 00:57:11.714
one just operates off of crystals.

00:57:11.715 --> 00:57:13.905
You take this crystal load, you
put this crystal in, and now

00:57:13.905 --> 00:57:15.174
you're on a different frequency.

00:57:15.184 --> 00:57:17.694
And he's like, if you think about
it, everything's on a frequency.

00:57:17.694 --> 00:57:21.254
We hear on a frequency, we speak on
a frequency, we see on a frequency.

00:57:21.514 --> 00:57:25.370
Ian McIntosh: Well, I mean, when you
go down to the very Quantum level,

00:57:25.580 --> 00:57:30.050
everything's vibrating, all the
electrons in every atom are vibrating

00:57:30.740 --> 00:57:32.180
around the nucleus of the atom, right?

00:57:32.180 --> 00:57:32.860
Like, and so.

00:57:34.075 --> 00:57:38.125
Everything is vibrating at a
frequency, you know, everything is 99.

00:57:38.365 --> 00:57:40.145
99 to the 12th decibel point.

00:57:40.355 --> 00:57:46.195
Like I said of energy, like empty
space, but energy over mass.

00:57:46.215 --> 00:57:50.495
This table, the only difference between
this table and you and I is the frequency

00:57:50.495 --> 00:57:52.375
where vibe our atoms are vibrating at.

00:57:53.385 --> 00:57:56.395
That's the only thing that makes us
any different because we're all made

00:57:56.395 --> 00:58:01.665
of the same stuff, atoms, particles,
like we're all made of the same shit.

00:58:01.675 --> 00:58:04.315
So yeah, that's all the,
the only difference between

00:58:04.315 --> 00:58:05.834
anything is how it vibrates.

00:58:06.055 --> 00:58:07.365
You've done some research on this, eh?

00:58:07.645 --> 00:58:07.995
Yeah.

00:58:07.995 --> 00:58:09.465
I've been diving deep these days.

00:58:09.714 --> 00:58:13.175
Like I say, when I, when I'm like,
you know, self growth books, you

00:58:13.175 --> 00:58:15.545
know, are a big part of my life.

00:58:15.565 --> 00:58:18.255
Um, and it's, and it's because.

00:58:18.990 --> 00:58:20.900
I want to be a better version of myself.

00:58:21.600 --> 00:58:24.550
I, I'm not happy with, I am happy.

00:58:24.550 --> 00:58:27.020
I'm extremely happy, but
I'm not happy to just.

00:58:27.670 --> 00:58:28.530
Be stagnant.

00:58:28.560 --> 00:58:33.670
Like this is where I'm at and I don't
need to be any more or any less than this.

00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:40.630
I want to be more, not because I feel
lack, but just because I feel like that's

00:58:40.630 --> 00:58:44.909
like the, one of the purposes of life is
to become a better version of yourself.

00:58:45.060 --> 00:58:46.809
Every day you get an opportunity to live.

00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:50.240
You know, and so that's why I dive
deep into these books, and I've been

00:58:50.240 --> 00:58:54.140
getting heavily into the quantum
world these days, and how quant,

00:58:54.160 --> 00:58:58.819
the, you know, quantum mechanics and,
and physics and spirituality have

00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:03.679
kind of found this crossroad, um,
lately, in the last number of years.

00:59:03.890 --> 00:59:04.070
Travis Bader: Yeah.

00:59:04.070 --> 00:59:09.580
There's COVID's awakened the, um,
uh, a sense of wanting to be outside.

00:59:09.620 --> 00:59:11.150
That was a Dr.

00:59:11.160 --> 00:59:12.979
Swart, I forget her first name.

00:59:13.060 --> 00:59:16.470
Uh, she was talking about that
saying people wanted to be outside,

00:59:16.470 --> 00:59:19.819
but it's also awakened a sense of
spirituality in people as well.

00:59:20.315 --> 00:59:25.185
I'm not sure why that is, but I can
definitely see it in the masses out there.

00:59:25.185 --> 00:59:28.405
I don't know if it's a distrust
in government and now it's turning

00:59:28.405 --> 00:59:34.095
to what, what can I put my faith
into, or if there's a idea of, um,

00:59:34.234 --> 00:59:37.934
a global oneness and, and people
are starting to, uh, tie into

00:59:37.934 --> 00:59:38.344
Ian McIntosh: that.

00:59:38.414 --> 00:59:41.005
I think, you know, I think
it's our access to information.

00:59:41.700 --> 00:59:44.600
You know, sometimes the access to
information can just like overburden

00:59:44.600 --> 00:59:49.200
us with information and, and not give
us education, but if you turn that

00:59:49.200 --> 00:59:53.960
information into education, like you
actually learn it, apply it and use

00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:56.970
it, um, then it is true information.

00:59:56.970 --> 01:00:00.220
And I think a lot of people are starting
to learn that, like the things that I'm

01:00:00.220 --> 01:00:02.540
talking about are real, they're tangible.

01:00:02.790 --> 01:00:05.430
And when you align yourself, uh.

01:00:06.310 --> 01:00:10.350
With, with the energy that you want
to align with and, and you're going to

01:00:10.350 --> 01:00:15.450
find success and you're all, it's like
immediate, the results are immediate.

01:00:15.789 --> 01:00:19.519
Like you can, if you just go out
and emulate what some of these books

01:00:19.560 --> 01:00:25.130
are, are saying immediately, you
will see that people are gravitating

01:00:25.130 --> 01:00:26.650
towards you and want to work with you.

01:00:26.650 --> 01:00:30.790
And all of a sudden money's flowing
to you and everything's happening.

01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:32.600
Like, so the, the.

01:00:33.270 --> 01:00:36.120
The feedback of like, this actually works.

01:00:36.510 --> 01:00:38.320
It's there and it happens quickly.

01:00:38.340 --> 01:00:40.580
And so I think people are realizing that.

01:00:41.030 --> 01:00:47.340
And, you know, I think a lot of people,
um, I have no problem with any religion

01:00:47.340 --> 01:00:50.460
that's out there, you know, and I don't
want to turn this into a religious chart.

01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:51.679
Definitely don't want it.

01:00:51.709 --> 01:00:55.950
But like, I think what a lot of people
who are, who are typically not religious

01:00:55.950 --> 01:00:58.200
people are, we're missing something.

01:00:59.450 --> 01:01:03.630
Cause they felt like, yeah, I'm not
connected to what this religion's telling

01:01:03.630 --> 01:01:10.079
me about, you know, the mechanics of the
universe and, and God and everything.

01:01:10.290 --> 01:01:16.300
But then in this scientific realm,
we have this connection and on this

01:01:16.310 --> 01:01:22.860
quantum level, it seems to be like these
mystical magical things are happening.

01:01:23.100 --> 01:01:28.000
And learning that you're just a
ball of energy, influencing all the

01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:33.050
other energy that's coming into your
world and around you, um, can have

01:01:33.050 --> 01:01:36.089
a profound impact on one's self.

01:01:36.160 --> 01:01:41.680
And, and so, yeah, I, I think diving deep
into that has kind of been something I've

01:01:41.680 --> 01:01:43.760
been doing lately and, and it's been.

01:01:44.610 --> 01:01:48.540
You know, like I say, immediate
results, like I'm seeing the

01:01:48.540 --> 01:01:50.590
results happening before my eyes.

01:01:50.650 --> 01:01:51.160
That's one of those

01:01:51.160 --> 01:01:53.050
Travis Bader: YouTube
wormholes that you can get

01:01:53.060 --> 01:01:53.690
Ian McIntosh: stuck into.

01:01:53.690 --> 01:01:54.749
YouTube wormholes.

01:01:54.750 --> 01:01:56.460
You know, I'm, I'm big audible guy.

01:01:56.690 --> 01:02:01.189
Cause I, I spend a lot of time traveling
and you know, I can just audio book

01:02:01.230 --> 01:02:04.060
and you know, I kind of think of
it as like the matrix when like

01:02:04.060 --> 01:02:08.450
Neo gets plugged into the chair and
just like, now, you know, Taekwondo,

01:02:08.450 --> 01:02:09.360
you know, it's like, you just like.

01:02:09.495 --> 01:02:10.995
Download information.

01:02:11.415 --> 01:02:15.525
And so, you know, I think it's pretty sad
to think that like majority, vast majority

01:02:15.525 --> 01:02:22.785
of people only read fiction, you know, um,
and, and, you know, very few are diving in

01:02:22.815 --> 01:02:24.594
like, but like, I think that's changing.

01:02:24.594 --> 01:02:27.715
And I think our, our access
to information is changing.

01:02:27.754 --> 01:02:31.404
And for me, having something like
audible, you know, someone who hated

01:02:31.404 --> 01:02:35.275
school and hated reading and all this
sort of stuff to have, to be able to

01:02:35.275 --> 01:02:38.235
just download these books into my brain.

01:02:39.130 --> 01:02:42.970
Um, and then just keep going down the
rabbit hole, like 20 hour book done.

01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:44.400
Are you retaining it though?

01:02:44.980 --> 01:02:45.460
Yeah.

01:02:45.500 --> 01:02:49.449
And, and when I think I don't retain
it, I just go back and listen again.

01:02:50.040 --> 01:02:51.120
Travis Bader: What kind of
books you listen to right

01:02:51.120 --> 01:02:51.350
Ian McIntosh: now?

01:02:52.290 --> 01:02:55.690
Ah, there's, you know, like there's.

01:02:56.040 --> 01:02:58.390
Like secrets to manifesting your destiny.

01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:01.390
There's, you know, becoming supernatural.

01:03:01.610 --> 01:03:05.140
You are the placebo, um, breath.

01:03:05.209 --> 01:03:11.040
Um, you know, I'm listening to, to
books on money these days as well.

01:03:11.050 --> 01:03:14.779
How, how to, you know, reach your
potential, your earning potential.

01:03:15.169 --> 01:03:16.320
Um, yeah.

01:03:16.380 --> 01:03:16.710
Which ones

01:03:16.710 --> 01:03:17.740
Travis Bader: made the
biggest impact on you?

01:03:19.315 --> 01:03:24.685
Ian McIntosh: Uh, you know,
Joe Dispenza is a kind of

01:03:25.995 --> 01:03:28.175
culty, but like in a good way.

01:03:28.995 --> 01:03:33.785
Um, but his book becoming supernatural was
kind of like a really eye opener to me.

01:03:34.175 --> 01:03:38.395
And then, uh, you know, I've dove into
a bunch of other books kind of related

01:03:38.395 --> 01:03:44.205
to that and, and realizing like how much
we can influence the energy that is.

01:03:44.620 --> 01:03:48.220
Everywhere all around us and our own
energy and how that influences the world

01:03:48.220 --> 01:03:55.340
around us, um, is, and then, you know,
learning, I'm an adolescent in learning

01:03:55.340 --> 01:04:02.159
how to meditate, but I always used to
think what a kooky thing, meditation,

01:04:02.550 --> 01:04:04.610
who meditates, what a bunch of kooks.

01:04:05.160 --> 01:04:06.290
But now there's so

01:04:06.290 --> 01:04:07.270
Travis Bader: much power to it.

01:04:07.390 --> 01:04:07.670
There's

01:04:07.670 --> 01:04:09.750
Ian McIntosh: so it's
a superpower, you know?

01:04:09.780 --> 01:04:12.340
Um, and so now I'm, I've, you know.

01:04:12.770 --> 01:04:18.290
I've gotten out of that judgmental mind
of like, you know, assuming something

01:04:18.290 --> 01:04:20.100
is some way without ever trying it.

01:04:20.130 --> 01:04:22.320
And now I'm in a very open mind.

01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:23.350
I'll try anything.

01:04:23.619 --> 01:04:25.880
And meditation is like a superpower.

01:04:26.110 --> 01:04:31.699
And yes, it is very hard to properly
meditate without your mind constantly

01:04:31.700 --> 01:04:33.449
wandering off because that's your ego.

01:04:33.829 --> 01:04:39.690
Your ego wants to wander off and think
about like things that fuel it, you know,

01:04:39.730 --> 01:04:43.390
or all the stresses that you have in
life and things that cause you anxiety.

01:04:43.900 --> 01:04:48.060
But if you can continue to realize that,
like, every time you come back to that

01:04:48.060 --> 01:04:53.160
place of, of, you know, just thinking
about your breath or whatever it may

01:04:53.160 --> 01:04:57.390
be, or that place where you've got all
those thoughts out of your head and

01:04:57.390 --> 01:05:01.560
you're like, just in the moment when you
constantly can bring yourself back there.

01:05:01.590 --> 01:05:04.150
Every time you do it, it's a
little victory and you just get

01:05:04.160 --> 01:05:05.620
slowly better and better at it.

01:05:05.620 --> 01:05:07.800
And it's one of these
things, it's like anything.

01:05:08.465 --> 01:05:11.885
Uh, you know, the whole notion of
10, 000, you need 10, 000 hours at

01:05:11.885 --> 01:05:13.435
anything to become a master of it.

01:05:13.895 --> 01:05:18.024
So to think that you can just jump
into meditation and know how to do it

01:05:18.025 --> 01:05:20.155
right out the gate is, is ludicrous.

01:05:20.155 --> 01:05:23.944
You need to put in your time and
to, and to not give up on it and

01:05:24.345 --> 01:05:29.095
continue to trust that the superpowers
are, are lying in there somewhere.

01:05:29.105 --> 01:05:29.135
Well,

01:05:29.525 --> 01:05:32.015
Travis Bader: you talk about the energy
and how that we can affect different.

01:05:32.240 --> 01:05:33.430
Energies around us.

01:05:33.430 --> 01:05:38.980
And one of the first podcasts I did
was with a fellow by the name of

01:05:38.980 --> 01:05:43.240
Guy Kramer, and he's got a company
called Hyperstealth and I just

01:05:43.240 --> 01:05:45.280
thought, this guy's a really cool guy.

01:05:45.290 --> 01:05:46.640
How does this tie into things?

01:05:46.640 --> 01:05:50.730
Well, in the hunting, fishing,
outdoors world, well, I'm going

01:05:50.730 --> 01:05:52.850
to find a way to make it fit in
because I just want to talk to him.

01:05:53.010 --> 01:05:57.210
He's, he's really cool, but he
makes, um, a invisible cloak.

01:05:57.690 --> 01:05:58.350
Oh, no way.

01:05:58.400 --> 01:05:58.740
Right.

01:05:58.770 --> 01:05:59.910
And I'd be like, yeah, okay.

01:05:59.910 --> 01:06:00.980
Invisible cloak, right.

01:06:00.980 --> 01:06:01.410
And, uh, but.

01:06:02.965 --> 01:06:06.925
Uh, interesting fellow, but he's
also made camouflages for hundreds of

01:06:06.925 --> 01:06:09.035
different militaries all across the world.

01:06:09.095 --> 01:06:14.264
Uh, Gore, uh, Optifade, uh,
Sitka's line, all the rest, he

01:06:14.265 --> 01:06:15.705
makes their camouflage patterns.

01:06:15.814 --> 01:06:16.104
Cool.

01:06:16.785 --> 01:06:19.695
And he brought in his invisible
cloak thing, and you can, you

01:06:19.695 --> 01:06:21.105
can pull it up on YouTube.

01:06:21.105 --> 01:06:21.505
You can see it.

01:06:21.505 --> 01:06:23.135
He actually put a patent on it.

01:06:23.145 --> 01:06:24.745
He was trying to get
the military involved.

01:06:24.745 --> 01:06:26.015
And finally he's like, oh,
I'm going to patent it.

01:06:26.025 --> 01:06:27.315
Everyone's going to know how it's made.

01:06:27.605 --> 01:06:31.145
So people on YouTube have gone and
they made their own and it's just

01:06:31.174 --> 01:06:33.345
a, an array of lenticular lenses.

01:06:33.970 --> 01:06:37.550
With a viscous fluid in book in behind,
and they just kind of press these

01:06:37.590 --> 01:06:42.440
two things together and it different
arrays will reflect different things.

01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:44.250
And so the one he had, I'd be holds up.

01:06:44.260 --> 01:06:45.529
There's a picture of us in the office.

01:06:45.720 --> 01:06:47.860
We disappear, but we
can see the background.

01:06:47.869 --> 01:06:48.890
It was really cool.

01:06:48.909 --> 01:06:49.550
That's cool.

01:06:49.630 --> 01:06:53.760
But, um, And an lenticular lens sounds
really cool, but you know, those little

01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:57.070
stickers where you kind of move them
and it's like a moving cartoon thing.

01:06:57.520 --> 01:06:58.160
That's what it is.

01:06:58.230 --> 01:06:58.540
Right.

01:07:00.499 --> 01:07:04.829
That little plastic anyways,
but he's talking about, um,

01:07:05.070 --> 01:07:07.480
the double slit experiment.

01:07:07.520 --> 01:07:08.020
Yes.

01:07:08.409 --> 01:07:08.649
Okay.

01:07:08.680 --> 01:07:10.360
So you, and you're familiar with that one.

01:07:10.380 --> 01:07:11.170
Very, yes.

01:07:11.665 --> 01:07:15.535
So interesting how an observer, for
people listening to this, who don't know

01:07:15.535 --> 01:07:19.895
about the double slit experiment, that's,
they were firing, I think a photon.

01:07:20.085 --> 01:07:21.785
Ian McIntosh: A photon, a light particle.

01:07:22.075 --> 01:07:25.164
Yes, they're, they're firing
light particles at two slits

01:07:25.164 --> 01:07:27.024
in a wall, for instance.

01:07:27.355 --> 01:07:29.444
And when they.

01:07:29.655 --> 01:07:33.555
Had an instrument there to detect
how the particles would react.

01:07:33.625 --> 01:07:36.495
They reacted just how we would
predict they would react.

01:07:37.185 --> 01:07:38.855
Um, like particles.

01:07:39.284 --> 01:07:44.555
But when you took away the observer,
it now reacted like a wave.

01:07:45.264 --> 01:07:51.315
And so, when we're not observing
matter, matter acts like energy.

01:07:51.795 --> 01:07:54.395
And when we're observing
matter, matter acts like matter.

01:07:54.635 --> 01:07:55.935
Which is kind of a twisted...

01:07:56.915 --> 01:07:58.525
It's, it's hard to even wrap your brain.

01:07:58.525 --> 01:08:01.105
It's like, it's the whole like
quantum entanglement thing.

01:08:01.105 --> 01:08:01.315
That's right.

01:08:01.315 --> 01:08:02.865
It's hard to wrap, wrap your brain around.

01:08:03.095 --> 01:08:05.614
Like two particles, once they
come, quantum entanglement could

01:08:05.625 --> 01:08:08.345
be on the opposite sides of the
universe and you affect one, the

01:08:08.345 --> 01:08:09.614
other one's affected the same way.

01:08:09.665 --> 01:08:10.095
Mm hmm.

01:08:10.105 --> 01:08:10.365
You know.

01:08:10.720 --> 01:08:14.390
But yeah, this is kind of the
mystical, weird thing that

01:08:14.390 --> 01:08:15.590
happened at the quantum level.

01:08:15.590 --> 01:08:19.520
And so the whole notion that like
matter reacts completely different

01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:25.170
when you're observing it versus when
you're not goes to show that like,

01:08:25.900 --> 01:08:29.750
I mean, is everything in your world,
just a construct of your imagination?

01:08:29.919 --> 01:08:31.079
Oh, are we in the matrix?

01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:31.700
Yeah.

01:08:31.700 --> 01:08:35.120
Like what, but like, you know,
I mean, really at the end of the

01:08:35.120 --> 01:08:39.200
day, it's like matter is both, it
is a particle and it is a wave.

01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:41.550
It is energy and it is mass.

01:08:42.030 --> 01:08:42.590
And.

01:08:43.300 --> 01:08:50.380
Actually turns out it's much, much, much
more energy than it is physical mass.

01:08:50.860 --> 01:08:55.959
And learning that, um, can pave
the way into understanding how

01:08:55.960 --> 01:09:00.300
to use it to your advantage, to
create the life that you want.

01:09:01.209 --> 01:09:03.269
Travis Bader: Knowing that
as well, kind of takes it.

01:09:03.860 --> 01:09:07.600
For the people, the naysayers, oh no,
it hasn't been scientifically proven.

01:09:08.010 --> 01:09:11.240
Well, our science is at the
infancy, really where we're at.

01:09:11.270 --> 01:09:11.800
Totally.

01:09:11.870 --> 01:09:12.190
And as

01:09:12.190 --> 01:09:12.859
Ian McIntosh: you start.

01:09:12.859 --> 01:09:16.469
I mean, when the aliens look down at
us, we're basically, we've basically

01:09:16.470 --> 01:09:17.710
just crawled out of the cave.

01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:18.160
Totally.

01:09:18.170 --> 01:09:18.499
At this

01:09:18.500 --> 01:09:19.189
Travis Bader: point, you know.

01:09:19.260 --> 01:09:20.840
Didn't they just find aliens in Mexico?

01:09:21.195 --> 01:09:22.055
Yeah, I mean,

01:09:22.475 --> 01:09:23.505
Ian McIntosh: there's definitely aliens.

01:09:23.785 --> 01:09:25.525
I mean, anyone who just
says there isn't aliens.

01:09:25.735 --> 01:09:31.195
Okay, go ahead and keep believing that,
but like, um, mathematically impossible,

01:09:31.214 --> 01:09:36.885
but you know, I, I think that, um,
again, being open to anything, you know,

01:09:37.114 --> 01:09:42.255
um, but yeah, the, the understanding
that, that everything is energy.

01:09:42.610 --> 01:09:50.260
Um, has a fundamental impact on your
life, um, because you understand then

01:09:50.260 --> 01:09:53.159
that your emotion and this is why all
these successful people keep coming

01:09:53.160 --> 01:09:58.380
back to gratitude because gratitude
turns out is your most powerful,

01:09:58.400 --> 01:10:03.220
one of your most powerful emotions
for manifesting what you want.

01:10:04.570 --> 01:10:09.690
And so if you're grateful, you'll continue
to get more things to be grateful for.

01:10:11.135 --> 01:10:14.045
Travis Bader: There was a quote that
you had that I thought was interesting,

01:10:14.045 --> 01:10:17.395
cause we kind of talked about it before
we started recording, we talked around

01:10:17.395 --> 01:10:24.485
it and, uh, here's a quote in the darkest
hours, you learn who you really are,

01:10:24.745 --> 01:10:29.455
but you have to dig, but you have to dig
deep, get healthy and get back out there.

01:10:30.235 --> 01:10:30.765
Yes.

01:10:31.195 --> 01:10:34.095
And I thought that's interesting
because, you know, when we're talking

01:10:34.115 --> 01:10:37.925
about, uh, the long game, the macro
and people, they're high and they're

01:10:37.925 --> 01:10:44.745
low and, you know, it's, it's Social
media, uh, today's culture, I, I see

01:10:44.745 --> 01:10:49.205
people, a lot of our youth, they become
despondent when things go get low.

01:10:49.374 --> 01:10:49.894
Oh, that's it.

01:10:50.005 --> 01:10:50.635
I'm going to give up.

01:10:50.635 --> 01:10:51.235
It's over.

01:10:51.275 --> 01:10:51.495
Right.

01:10:52.620 --> 01:10:56.520
, um, in your darkest hours, that's when
everything starts to become clearer for

01:10:56.525 --> 01:10:59.910
you and you realize you can actually
get out of the, was that in reference

01:10:59.910 --> 01:11:04.590
to what was going on with the, the
divorce and the, uh, broken femur?

01:11:04.595 --> 01:11:04.640
Yeah.

01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:05.040
Yeah.

01:11:05.040 --> 01:11:05.310
And I

01:11:05.310 --> 01:11:07.530
Ian McIntosh: mean, I recognized
that like, woe was me.

01:11:07.530 --> 01:11:12.400
I'm sitting in my nice house in Pemberton
with a broken leg, and my wife left me,

01:11:12.460 --> 01:11:14.290
and that's my, one of my darkest hours.

01:11:14.290 --> 01:11:16.450
Like I'm pretty privileged, you know?

01:11:16.450 --> 01:11:16.660
Mm.

01:11:17.285 --> 01:11:21.775
That's one of my darkest hours, but at the
same time, it was, you know, I was, I had

01:11:21.785 --> 01:11:24.505
just gotten really successful as a skier.

01:11:25.055 --> 01:11:28.254
I was just starting to make a really
decent living where I didn't have to

01:11:28.255 --> 01:11:30.234
work a construction job in the summer.

01:11:30.665 --> 01:11:35.895
And, um, you know, and my life felt
like to me, like it came crashing down.

01:11:35.895 --> 01:11:37.824
And so that was a low point.

01:11:38.264 --> 01:11:40.935
And now I look back at that
is like the best thing that's

01:11:40.935 --> 01:11:41.965
ever happened in my life.

01:11:42.625 --> 01:11:44.175
I love that perspective shift.

01:11:44.215 --> 01:11:46.115
My, my lowest moment.

01:11:46.320 --> 01:11:48.440
Was the best thing that's
ever happened to me.

01:11:49.400 --> 01:11:55.860
And I think you need to go through
those intense lows to ultimately

01:11:55.959 --> 01:11:58.810
get to and appreciate your highs.

01:12:01.210 --> 01:12:02.129
Yeah, I agree.

01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:03.879
Or you can just let it consume you.

01:12:04.470 --> 01:12:10.120
And, and the low becomes lower, you
know, um, but it's your decision, uh,

01:12:10.170 --> 01:12:14.990
and that's what I think a lot of people
are, are starting to realize, but maybe

01:12:14.990 --> 01:12:21.409
a lot don't realize yet is that it is
our decision on how our mental state is.

01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:24.410
And, and it's easy for me to say.

01:12:24.790 --> 01:12:30.530
As someone who has this great life going
on, but it hasn't always been that way.

01:12:30.530 --> 01:12:36.200
I haven't always had everything I
have today, but I approaching life

01:12:36.200 --> 01:12:40.770
with that mentality is ultimately
always going to get you from your

01:12:40.770 --> 01:12:42.509
lows back to your super highs.

01:12:42.999 --> 01:12:46.100
And it doesn't matter how many
times you get batted back down.

01:12:46.460 --> 01:12:50.010
You'll, you'll recognize like, this
is another opportunity for growth.

01:12:50.480 --> 01:12:51.930
I need to go through this.

01:12:52.685 --> 01:12:55.025
In order to get to where
I'm eventually going to be.

01:12:56.035 --> 01:12:58.805
Travis Bader: Have you read, uh, Viktor
Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning?

01:12:59.485 --> 01:13:01.225
Ian McIntosh: No, I'll
put that on my list.

01:13:01.245 --> 01:13:01.685
Travis Bader: Okay.

01:13:01.815 --> 01:13:05.975
Uh, cause there's one thing that
always stuck out to me in that one.

01:13:06.025 --> 01:13:10.285
And he was the father
of modern logotherapy.

01:13:10.295 --> 01:13:15.465
He was in a concentration camp and
he took an analytical perspective

01:13:15.465 --> 01:13:17.345
to what was going on around him.

01:13:17.485 --> 01:13:17.745
Yeah.

01:13:17.755 --> 01:13:19.645
People who'd had
everything taken from them.

01:13:19.655 --> 01:13:23.015
They're stripped naked, all their
belongings gone, their loved ones.

01:13:23.240 --> 01:13:28.790
Dead, they're despondent,
um, beside themselves.

01:13:28.790 --> 01:13:29.480
True lows.

01:13:29.740 --> 01:13:31.090
True lows, true, true lows.

01:13:31.090 --> 01:13:31.280
Right.

01:13:31.290 --> 01:13:31.610
Yeah.

01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:34.820
But some people, well,
they'd given up on life.

01:13:35.590 --> 01:13:41.160
Others had found reason to crack a joke
or laugh about things, or there was,

01:13:41.200 --> 01:13:46.770
um, there was a difference in some of
these people that he was observing.

01:13:46.770 --> 01:13:51.270
So he's putting all of this together
and really the crux of the entire

01:13:51.280 --> 01:13:56.510
book that I took away from it was a
quote that he had, which is, um, And

01:13:56.510 --> 01:13:57.810
he'd had everything taken from him.

01:13:57.810 --> 01:14:00.620
He says, the one thing you can't
take from me is the way I choose

01:14:00.620 --> 01:14:02.190
to respond to what you do to me.

01:14:02.530 --> 01:14:06.420
The last of life's great freedoms
is one's ability to choose their own

01:14:06.500 --> 01:14:08.200
attitude in any given circumstance.

01:14:09.950 --> 01:14:12.700
And that's, that was the biggest takeaway.

01:14:12.700 --> 01:14:15.650
And that was one thing that, you know,
it doesn't matter how bad things get.

01:14:15.950 --> 01:14:16.790
It's my choice.

01:14:17.140 --> 01:14:19.170
Do I look at this as that's it?

01:14:19.170 --> 01:14:19.750
I'm giving up.

01:14:19.799 --> 01:14:23.119
Do I look at this as, okay,
what can I learn from this?

01:14:23.130 --> 01:14:24.280
How do I move forward?

01:14:24.450 --> 01:14:24.870
Ian McIntosh: Right.

01:14:25.719 --> 01:14:29.580
How is this, how is this moment going
to eventually be one day and a moment

01:14:29.580 --> 01:14:32.190
I look back at as a really positive.

01:14:33.295 --> 01:14:37.355
Experience that I needed to go through
and it's hard to say that even in

01:14:37.355 --> 01:14:40.945
like, you know, you, you, you stories
about people who hit their ultimate

01:14:40.955 --> 01:14:44.535
true lows and I'm not saying that
they're ever going to get to a place

01:14:44.535 --> 01:14:48.755
where they can look back and be like,
I'm so glad that happened to me, but.

01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:53.810
The person that the people who pick
themselves up and change their mentality

01:14:53.810 --> 01:14:58.720
from like, you know, just being down in
the dumps to a more positive outlook,

01:14:59.030 --> 01:15:02.880
those people are eventually going to
be able to look back and be like, I'm

01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:07.560
not happy it happened to me, but I am
the person I am today because of that.

01:15:08.239 --> 01:15:10.450
Travis Bader: I used to ask a
question of people and say, if you

01:15:10.450 --> 01:15:14.350
could look back on your younger
self, uh, what advice would you give?

01:15:14.350 --> 01:15:15.460
What would you do differently?

01:15:15.500 --> 01:15:15.800
Right.

01:15:15.830 --> 01:15:16.130
Yeah.

01:15:16.380 --> 01:15:19.580
And I've had to reframe that question
because more and more of them.

01:15:20.065 --> 01:15:24.065
The people who are doing well in
life and who are successful and have

01:15:24.065 --> 01:15:27.945
things kind of squared away and sorted
would give the exact same answer.

01:15:28.015 --> 01:15:28.585
Exactly.

01:15:28.645 --> 01:15:29.095
Nothing.

01:15:29.155 --> 01:15:30.154
I wouldn't change anything.

01:15:30.165 --> 01:15:31.475
It's made me who I am.

01:15:31.504 --> 01:15:35.255
The good times, the bad times, they've
all culminated to where I am now.

01:15:35.595 --> 01:15:39.285
The things that went poorly
were there to teach me a lesson.

01:15:39.395 --> 01:15:39.705
Yeah.

01:15:39.775 --> 01:15:41.965
The things that went well or
because I was getting things

01:15:41.965 --> 01:15:42.475
Ian McIntosh: dialed in.

01:15:42.545 --> 01:15:42.835
Yeah.

01:15:43.740 --> 01:15:43.990
Yeah.

01:15:43.990 --> 01:15:48.500
And it's, you know, taking that
woe is me attitude or the poor me

01:15:48.510 --> 01:15:53.290
attitude and switching it to like,
you know, I can, I can do anything

01:15:53.400 --> 01:15:55.120
and I can get myself out of this.

01:15:55.120 --> 01:15:59.340
And I, um, I'm, I'm going to be
stronger and better for this.

01:15:59.870 --> 01:16:04.440
You know, when I broke my
leg, I, Lived in the gym.

01:16:04.660 --> 01:16:08.160
I came back physically, mentally,
you know, I started reading

01:16:08.160 --> 01:16:09.080
books and going to the gym.

01:16:09.130 --> 01:16:10.420
I didn't see my friends.

01:16:10.830 --> 01:16:16.970
I just went to the gym, read books, and
I came back out of that experience so

01:16:16.999 --> 01:16:21.269
much better, mentally, stronger mentally
and physically than I ever was before.

01:16:21.915 --> 01:16:24.715
Travis Bader: And they, now you
can pass it on to your family.

01:16:24.745 --> 01:16:25.395
Ian McIntosh: Exactly.

01:16:25.545 --> 01:16:25.935
Yeah.

01:16:26.275 --> 01:16:29.935
And that, and the, probably the reason
I love telling that story is because

01:16:29.935 --> 01:16:33.474
I, I look at it as the most positive
experience that's ever happened to me.

01:16:33.834 --> 01:16:37.345
You know, there's a young kid who's
the son of one of the founders of

01:16:37.435 --> 01:16:39.545
Teton Gravity Research, Kai Jones.

01:16:39.545 --> 01:16:40.755
He's the star of our movies.

01:16:40.755 --> 01:16:42.485
Now he's 17 years old.

01:16:42.675 --> 01:16:44.115
He's been in there for years.

01:16:44.135 --> 01:16:45.165
He's incredible.

01:16:45.165 --> 01:16:46.705
But last year he broke both of his legs.

01:16:46.795 --> 01:16:47.235
Hmm.

01:16:48.015 --> 01:16:52.255
And he was down in the
dumps, like in a wheelchair.

01:16:52.775 --> 01:16:56.565
And it's like, dude, trust in the
fact that one day you'll look back

01:16:56.565 --> 01:17:01.385
at this as like, I'm like, lucky you,
you get to go through this at 17.

01:17:01.965 --> 01:17:04.085
I didn't get to go through
this till I was 30.

01:17:04.855 --> 01:17:07.685
Or 29, you know, lucky you.

01:17:07.745 --> 01:17:08.375
And he's like, what?

01:17:08.405 --> 01:17:12.065
And I'm like, dude, you're going
to become a better human for this.

01:17:12.625 --> 01:17:15.325
You're going to be stronger
physically and more and mentally.

01:17:15.545 --> 01:17:18.784
And you're just going to be a better
human because of this, this, you

01:17:18.795 --> 01:17:21.095
needed to go through this hard time.

01:17:21.095 --> 01:17:25.014
Cause maybe everything was, it had been
just a little too easy up until now.

01:17:25.195 --> 01:17:26.355
You're talented.

01:17:26.365 --> 01:17:27.815
You know, everything fell into place.

01:17:28.875 --> 01:17:30.305
Now you've got some hard times.

01:17:30.770 --> 01:17:31.810
You'll come out of it better.

01:17:32.140 --> 01:17:35.270
Travis Bader: You know, we talked
about, uh, the individual who's

01:17:35.270 --> 01:17:38.270
talking, said that when he was
younger and he had nothing, and

01:17:38.280 --> 01:17:40.860
that's when he felt the happiest.

01:17:41.020 --> 01:17:41.280
Yeah.

01:17:41.310 --> 01:17:46.670
I have to wonder if you go another
20, 30 years in the future, are you

01:17:46.670 --> 01:17:51.040
going to look back and say, man,
30 years ago, that was the time.

01:17:51.955 --> 01:17:55.555
Probably, I mean, the brain's got a way of
varnishing over the past that we freak, no

01:17:55.555 --> 01:17:57.525
one ever thinks about the bad old times.

01:17:57.555 --> 01:17:58.665
They always think about
the good old times.

01:17:58.685 --> 01:17:58.895
Well,

01:17:58.985 --> 01:18:01.525
Ian McIntosh: that's the only reason
women have baby, a second baby.

01:18:01.845 --> 01:18:02.615
You got it.

01:18:02.695 --> 01:18:05.335
We ultimately, we forget pain, you know?

01:18:05.665 --> 01:18:06.955
Um, and, and we try and.

01:18:07.180 --> 01:18:09.990
You know, uh, things that stick
in our mind are the positive,

01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:11.630
more memorable experiences.

01:18:11.910 --> 01:18:14.240
And we are conditioned to forget pain.

01:18:14.710 --> 01:18:18.800
We're supposed to forget it or else we'd
never like animals wouldn't hunt anymore.

01:18:19.240 --> 01:18:20.849
Because their last hunt, they got injured.

01:18:20.850 --> 01:18:23.960
They would never go out and
eat again if they were afraid.

01:18:24.140 --> 01:18:25.190
Of, of pain.

01:18:25.190 --> 01:18:29.330
So, you know, um, we're conditioned
to, to forget that sort of stuff.

01:18:29.330 --> 01:18:33.940
And, and ultimately, uh, you know,
these, these are opportunities like we're

01:18:33.940 --> 01:18:36.100
saying for, to grow as a human being.

01:18:36.130 --> 01:18:40.070
And one day you'll look back at it and
you'll be like, I only remember the good.

01:18:40.430 --> 01:18:40.550
Mm-hmm.

01:18:40.795 --> 01:18:43.040
, you know, it's like when I was
living in the closet, I only

01:18:43.100 --> 01:18:45.470
remember the good part in a closet.

01:18:45.470 --> 01:18:46.130
I was

01:18:46.130 --> 01:18:46.610
Travis Bader: like, were you?

01:18:46.790 --> 01:18:47.180
I like, yeah.

01:18:47.210 --> 01:18:48.230
Literally in a closet.

01:18:48.260 --> 01:18:48.650
Ian McIntosh: Yes.

01:18:48.680 --> 01:18:49.850
It was like in a kitchen.

01:18:49.850 --> 01:18:52.910
It was a pantry closet that we
like turned into my bedroom.

01:18:54.300 --> 01:18:58.740
And I mean, I would wake up like my floors
on my heads on the kitchen floor, like my

01:18:58.740 --> 01:19:03.720
buddy's like making coffee, you know, but,
uh, when I was living in the closet, like,

01:19:03.739 --> 01:19:08.749
I look back at that was such a nostalgia
and like, oh my God, that was so amazing.

01:19:08.750 --> 01:19:10.979
I was just flying by the seat of my pants.

01:19:11.129 --> 01:19:12.570
I forgot all the times where I couldn't.

01:19:13.825 --> 01:19:17.535
And like, you know, I'm just thinking
about like the fact that I skied every

01:19:17.535 --> 01:19:21.674
day without a care in the world and
I didn't have any bills or stresses

01:19:21.675 --> 01:19:23.895
of any kind, but there was stresses.

01:19:23.895 --> 01:19:24.945
I just don't remember those.

01:19:24.945 --> 01:19:28.804
There was the stresses of like, you
know, not being able to eat and not being

01:19:28.995 --> 01:19:34.695
able to afford to, you know, pay my 200
bucks a month rent, that sort of stuff.

01:19:34.725 --> 01:19:37.125
But yeah, I only remember the skiing.

01:19:37.635 --> 01:19:38.855
Yeah, I skied every

01:19:38.855 --> 01:19:39.445
Travis Bader: day.

01:19:39.885 --> 01:19:45.795
I remember when I got my first snowboard,
it was around 17, I think it was 17, 18.

01:19:45.795 --> 01:19:49.385
And the entire season I would sleep
in the back of my wood panel station

01:19:49.385 --> 01:19:52.305
wagon and a broken window on it,
but I'd be first up sleeping in

01:19:52.325 --> 01:19:53.784
the parking lots of the local hills

01:19:53.785 --> 01:19:54.005
Ian McIntosh: here.

01:19:54.005 --> 01:19:54.134
Yeah.

01:19:54.914 --> 01:19:58.525
And I mean, you don't remember how cold
you were and how uncomfortable it was.

01:19:58.525 --> 01:20:00.475
You just remember how good it was.

01:20:00.505 --> 01:20:01.015
Travis Bader: How good it was.

01:20:01.025 --> 01:20:04.355
I can still remember the smell of

01:20:04.545 --> 01:20:04.875
Ian McIntosh: Right.

01:20:04.885 --> 01:20:06.575
So there's one aspect that maybe wasn't

01:20:09.585 --> 01:20:09.785
Travis Bader: so

01:20:13.575 --> 01:20:16.425
positive that you Or I'm hiking
up the side and everyone's like.

01:20:16.695 --> 01:20:17.515
Ian McIntosh: And it didn't matter.

01:20:17.554 --> 01:20:17.944
That's right.

01:20:17.945 --> 01:20:18.435
Didn't matter.

01:20:18.455 --> 01:20:18.685
Yeah.

01:20:18.695 --> 01:20:21.794
I was like, now, if you went to the
ski hill and couldn't get yourself

01:20:21.795 --> 01:20:24.664
a lift ticket, you'd be all bummed
and stressed about it or whatever.

01:20:24.664 --> 01:20:25.084
Totally.

01:20:25.094 --> 01:20:26.974
It's like back then, it's
like nothing mattered.

01:20:26.984 --> 01:20:27.804
No, you figure it out.

01:20:27.935 --> 01:20:28.235
Yeah.

01:20:29.835 --> 01:20:32.065
Travis Bader: Um, sponsors,
you got a number of sponsors

01:20:32.065 --> 01:20:33.165
and you got a company too.

01:20:33.185 --> 01:20:34.485
That's, uh, kind of cool.

01:20:34.485 --> 01:20:35.745
I wanted to talk about.

01:20:35.805 --> 01:20:36.205
Yeah.

01:20:36.495 --> 01:20:36.955
Ian McIntosh: Yeah.

01:20:37.015 --> 01:20:37.715
Um, yeah.

01:20:37.715 --> 01:20:42.915
So like, you know, my, my obvious, my
premium sponsors, I guess I would, I

01:20:42.915 --> 01:20:47.644
would mention are the North Face, Volcom
Marker Dalbello is a ski boot binding,

01:20:47.884 --> 01:20:53.665
uh, brand, uh, marker being binding,
Dalbello being boot, um, Smartwool.

01:20:53.895 --> 01:20:59.065
Uh, you know, Mammut safety
equipment, uh, Stay Wild Organics,

01:20:59.075 --> 01:21:03.905
which is the company that you were
referring to, uh, Surefoot skiing.

01:21:04.025 --> 01:21:07.604
Um, yeah, the list goes on, but
those are the kind of the major ones.

01:21:07.765 --> 01:21:08.225
Mammut.

01:21:08.324 --> 01:21:09.994
Travis Bader: I'm glad I
know how to pronounce it.

01:21:09.995 --> 01:21:10.754
I always call it Mammut.

01:21:11.785 --> 01:21:16.425
I got the, uh, the transceivers and
the, uh, you got the safety equipment.

01:21:16.475 --> 01:21:16.625
You

01:21:16.625 --> 01:21:18.965
Ian McIntosh: got the best gear
in the game then, in my opinion.

01:21:19.015 --> 01:21:19.525
Yeah.

01:21:19.605 --> 01:21:19.795
Yeah.

01:21:19.795 --> 01:21:20.065
Yeah.

01:21:20.105 --> 01:21:23.594
And you know, it's Swiss made,
it's like a Swiss company, right.

01:21:23.614 --> 01:21:28.094
And, um, the owner of that
company is very focused on making

01:21:28.385 --> 01:21:30.155
high quality safety products.

01:21:30.215 --> 01:21:30.795
Oh, I love it.

01:21:30.905 --> 01:21:32.395
And yeah, they do a great job.

01:21:33.165 --> 01:21:36.875
Travis Bader: So did they approach you
being a safety oriented company, did

01:21:36.875 --> 01:21:40.885
they approach you before or after your,
uh, your pig spill down the mountain in

01:21:40.885 --> 01:21:41.305
Ian McIntosh: Alaska?

01:21:41.305 --> 01:21:44.574
Much after, but it was actually
after an incident with another,

01:21:44.615 --> 01:21:48.165
uh, another pro skier friend of
mine where we had to get him out of

01:21:48.165 --> 01:21:53.175
an avalanche, but his transceiver
malfunctioned and we won't name names

01:21:53.175 --> 01:21:55.305
on all that, it all, it all went.

01:21:55.525 --> 01:21:59.245
On the internet and big things
happened with that brand.

01:21:59.715 --> 01:22:04.754
But, um, you know, ultimately
we realized that like not all

01:22:04.775 --> 01:22:06.545
safety equipment is created equal.

01:22:07.115 --> 01:22:11.675
And, uh, I wanted to align with the
safety equipment that I felt was some

01:22:11.675 --> 01:22:16.465
of the best in the game and, and Mahmood
was also, uh, looking for ambassadors.

01:22:16.465 --> 01:22:17.105
So it worked out.

01:22:18.055 --> 01:22:19.425
Travis Bader: Can you talk
to me about Stay Wild?

01:22:19.435 --> 01:22:24.245
I looked at it on the internet a
little bit and, uh, I got questions.

01:22:24.465 --> 01:22:24.845
Yeah,

01:22:24.845 --> 01:22:25.405
Ian McIntosh: sure.

01:22:25.465 --> 01:22:25.915
Yes.

01:22:26.175 --> 01:22:30.165
Uh, stay wild is a medicinal,
um, mushroom brand.

01:22:30.535 --> 01:22:33.425
Um, you know, mushrooms
these days are all the craze.

01:22:33.845 --> 01:22:37.605
Uh, there's a lot of hype around
the, uh, how good they are for you.

01:22:37.965 --> 01:22:38.985
And the hype is real.

01:22:38.985 --> 01:22:40.774
They're, they are incredibly good for you.

01:22:41.084 --> 01:22:45.985
Um, there's, there's a lot of science,
uh, pointing to, uh, the benefits of

01:22:45.995 --> 01:22:50.125
mushrooms and, you know, when you learn,
have you ever watched the fantastic fungi?

01:22:51.420 --> 01:22:54.110
Travis Bader: I have, I
I've seen clips out of it.

01:22:54.150 --> 01:22:56.520
I haven't, I haven't watched a
whole thing, but is that the one

01:22:56.520 --> 01:23:02.090
where the, it mapped out a better
way for like a Tokyo, um, subways?

01:23:02.140 --> 01:23:02.660
Ian McIntosh: Yes.

01:23:02.690 --> 01:23:02.910
Okay.

01:23:03.040 --> 01:23:03.450
Yeah.

01:23:03.750 --> 01:23:07.919
But like, basically, um, if you're
walking in the forest, every footstep

01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:13.910
you take has about 300 miles of
mycelium network under that footstep.

01:23:14.580 --> 01:23:16.640
And every footstep
you've taken the forest.

01:23:16.890 --> 01:23:20.220
And so mycelium is connecting everything.

01:23:20.220 --> 01:23:22.370
And it's like the neural
network of the forest.

01:23:22.949 --> 01:23:27.700
Um, it also does incredible things
for your neural network of your brain.

01:23:27.810 --> 01:23:28.240
Right.

01:23:28.310 --> 01:23:30.900
Um, and mushrooms are not like a plant.

01:23:31.189 --> 01:23:33.490
They don't photosynthesize like a plant.

01:23:33.930 --> 01:23:36.640
Um, they're not an animal,
but they eat like an animal.

01:23:36.910 --> 01:23:37.350
Right.

01:23:37.450 --> 01:23:39.030
They eat decomposing things.

01:23:39.090 --> 01:23:41.350
And so they're kind of
in this middle ground.

01:23:41.410 --> 01:23:44.110
And I, I truly feel like
the power of mushroom.

01:23:44.110 --> 01:23:45.360
There's a lot of great studies coming out.

01:23:45.390 --> 01:23:49.030
If you just eat, like, I can't remember
how many ounces of mushrooms a week,

01:23:49.039 --> 01:23:51.970
it lowers your chances of dementia by.

01:23:52.465 --> 01:23:53.465
a huge amount.

01:23:53.825 --> 01:23:56.705
Um, and I mean, I could
pull up the numbers again.

01:23:56.705 --> 01:23:59.535
I can't remember exactly, but
um, people can look at it for

01:23:59.535 --> 01:24:03.395
themselves and, and that's just like
regular, like store bought brown

01:24:03.395 --> 01:24:04.585
mushrooms and so on and so forth.

01:24:04.585 --> 01:24:07.625
And then you look into these more
medicinal mushrooms and their

01:24:07.625 --> 01:24:09.994
powers are even exponentially more.

01:24:10.365 --> 01:24:14.975
Um, you know, like something like a lion's
mane is incredibly good for your brain.

01:24:15.405 --> 01:24:16.525
Whereas, you know, you look at.

01:24:16.685 --> 01:24:19.395
Something like chaga,
which grows on birch trees.

01:24:19.785 --> 01:24:24.295
Um, that's just like, there's
more antioxidants in a spoonful

01:24:24.295 --> 01:24:27.855
of chaga than there is in like
a entire box of blueberries.

01:24:27.885 --> 01:24:31.034
You know, it's, it's, I mean,
the exact numbers again, I don't

01:24:31.045 --> 01:24:34.465
remember, I've read them all in the
past, but it's, it's astronomical.

01:24:34.474 --> 01:24:38.835
The, the amount of antioxidants there
in something like a chaga mushroom.

01:24:38.835 --> 01:24:40.245
And, and so, yeah, I've.

01:24:40.345 --> 01:24:42.535
I got on board cause my
buddy, Chris Brown, he's a pro

01:24:42.535 --> 01:24:45.335
snowmobiler or a pro snowmobiler.

01:24:45.415 --> 01:24:49.415
Um, used to be like, you know, throwing
crazy stuff on his sled these days.

01:24:49.415 --> 01:24:52.325
He does more, um, tours and stuff.

01:24:52.345 --> 01:24:53.935
He's beaten up his body pretty bad.

01:24:54.314 --> 01:24:57.594
Uh, he got a lot of concussions
and that he got into lion's mane

01:24:57.974 --> 01:25:00.485
and that kind of really helped
him with his concussion symptoms.

01:25:00.855 --> 01:25:01.265
Oh yeah.

01:25:01.265 --> 01:25:02.625
He's night and day different.

01:25:03.085 --> 01:25:05.105
Um, and so then he's like.

01:25:06.140 --> 01:25:07.970
What is this medicinal mushroom world?

01:25:07.970 --> 01:25:10.770
And then he decided to start his own
company and they've grown in Pemberton.

01:25:11.210 --> 01:25:14.410
And, uh, they're, they're
just getting things going.

01:25:14.410 --> 01:25:19.270
They've got like a lot of future
plans going on for energy drinks.

01:25:19.320 --> 01:25:22.180
And, um, I won't even get into.

01:25:22.435 --> 01:25:25.775
Into it all just because I don't think
it's, uh, the right, the right time

01:25:25.775 --> 01:25:29.765
to announce, but, um, they have a lot
of cool things, some, some government

01:25:29.765 --> 01:25:32.585
grants and stuff that are going to
allow them to do some really cool stuff

01:25:32.585 --> 01:25:36.164
that I think, you know, people are
starting to see the power of, of the

01:25:36.165 --> 01:25:38.785
therapeutic power of mushrooms as well.

01:25:38.930 --> 01:25:44.660
Um, psilocybin obviously is, is,
uh, starting to be really used as

01:25:44.660 --> 01:25:47.710
something that can help people a
lot with depression or dealing with

01:25:47.990 --> 01:25:49.980
mortality or whatever it may be.

01:25:50.290 --> 01:25:51.860
And, uh, I was

01:25:51.860 --> 01:25:55.449
Travis Bader: surprised at the number
of people who I've spoken with on the

01:25:55.450 --> 01:26:03.910
podcast, who, uh, Use psilocybin, I've
had some ex, uh, special forces folk

01:26:03.910 --> 01:26:07.329
and talking with one fellow and he's
like, oh, I don't like medication.

01:26:07.329 --> 01:26:08.520
I don't, I don't use meds.

01:26:08.670 --> 01:26:08.930
Right.

01:26:08.930 --> 01:26:09.370
Okay.

01:26:09.619 --> 01:26:12.189
Oh, but I do take, I do micro
dose psilocybin and there

01:26:12.270 --> 01:26:13.309
was a time I did ayahuasca.

01:26:13.499 --> 01:26:14.400
He goes through his whole list.

01:26:14.400 --> 01:26:14.600
I'm like.

01:26:15.065 --> 01:26:17.605
To me, that sounds like meds,
but I think it's being viewed a

01:26:17.605 --> 01:26:19.375
little bit differently nowadays.

01:26:19.535 --> 01:26:20.045
Well, yeah,

01:26:20.045 --> 01:26:21.645
Ian McIntosh: it's like holistic meds.

01:26:21.705 --> 01:26:21.945
Right.

01:26:21.955 --> 01:26:25.705
You know, I think, um, I think our
system in the world is, is really set

01:26:25.705 --> 01:26:31.184
up to like, the fact that the food
and drug administration, and there's

01:26:31.184 --> 01:26:35.485
one in every country, not just talking
about America, but the fact that

01:26:35.485 --> 01:26:37.515
they are the same administration.

01:26:37.555 --> 01:26:42.465
So we're going to feed you the food that
gets you sick so that you can take the

01:26:42.465 --> 01:26:44.145
drugs that don't make you better, but.

01:26:44.705 --> 01:26:46.495
Deal with the symptoms of your sickness.

01:26:46.535 --> 01:26:46.965
Right.

01:26:48.375 --> 01:26:52.495
So, you know, this is where medicinal
mushrooms are outside of that world.

01:26:52.945 --> 01:26:59.134
And they're dealing with the
actual sickness and actual

01:26:59.135 --> 01:27:01.354
healing and preventative medicine.

01:27:01.795 --> 01:27:07.524
You know, there's a, there's a book
that I, I, I did recently, um, lifespan.

01:27:07.794 --> 01:27:08.064
Okay.

01:27:08.675 --> 01:27:14.245
And I can't, I'm trying to remember
the author, but he's a PhD, um, at

01:27:14.245 --> 01:27:20.665
Harvard, uh, scientists that he studies
longevity in human beings and, um, and

01:27:20.685 --> 01:27:27.044
he, he was touching on the fact that,
you know, Australia, for instance.

01:27:27.280 --> 01:27:31.500
In the 90s, I think it was, they
made this huge initiative because

01:27:31.500 --> 01:27:34.170
they have a government healthcare,
just like we do in Canada.

01:27:34.750 --> 01:27:38.000
They're like, we want to spend less money
on our healthcare system, so we're going

01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:39.960
to work hard on preventative medicine.

01:27:40.460 --> 01:27:45.029
And they've, in that period of time, in
30 years, they've extended the lifespan

01:27:45.029 --> 01:27:47.600
expectancy of an Australian by 10 years.

01:27:47.970 --> 01:27:53.590
At the same time, the lifespan in
America has gone the other direction.

01:27:53.930 --> 01:27:56.620
Travis Bader: 10 years extended,
do they just cut out the VBs?

01:27:57.090 --> 01:28:00.930
Ian McIntosh: They're just, they're, it's
more of a holistic health based focused

01:28:00.990 --> 01:28:07.819
preventative, you know, like the, all the
obvious stuff, eat well, exercise, yeah,

01:28:07.869 --> 01:28:11.729
good mental health, you know, all these
sorts of things that, you know, not too

01:28:11.730 --> 01:28:16.359
much stress, all these, these, these sorts
of things ultimately keep you healthy.

01:28:16.709 --> 01:28:22.670
And in, in our world, it's, it's
more about like, Yeah, whatever.

01:28:22.670 --> 01:28:24.620
Just eat whatever you
want, do whatever you want.

01:28:24.630 --> 01:28:27.650
And then when you get sick, we'll
give you something that, you know,

01:28:27.690 --> 01:28:30.989
doesn't cure you, but it'll deal
with the symptoms of whatever your

01:28:30.990 --> 01:28:35.280
sickness is so that you don't, you're
not in pain or discomfort anymore, you

01:28:35.280 --> 01:28:39.250
know, and, and, you know, companies
are making huge amounts of money.

01:28:39.289 --> 01:28:43.550
The food industry and the drug industry
are making huge amounts of money,

01:28:43.590 --> 01:28:45.620
uh, with this system the way it is.

01:28:45.630 --> 01:28:48.330
And so, yeah, uh, for me, yeah.

01:28:48.925 --> 01:28:52.375
Stay wild mushrooms, medicinal
mushrooms lie outside of that.

01:28:52.375 --> 01:28:55.295
And they're the more holistic, they're
the more preventative medicine.

01:28:55.295 --> 01:28:59.125
And the thing about mushrooms is, you
know, someone like Chris Brown, who

01:28:59.125 --> 01:29:03.985
had like hardcore concussion issues has
really noticed the difference, someone

01:29:03.985 --> 01:29:06.105
like me, I have noticed the difference.

01:29:06.115 --> 01:29:09.265
It's not that I haven't,
but it's a lot more subtle.

01:29:09.945 --> 01:29:15.365
But it is, I, I trust in the science
and I believe in the fact that

01:29:15.395 --> 01:29:17.145
I'm doing preventative medicine.

01:29:17.915 --> 01:29:22.395
And also not only do I trust in the
science and believe I'm doing preventative

01:29:22.424 --> 01:29:26.715
medicine, but going back to a book
I referenced, you are the placebo.

01:29:27.395 --> 01:29:33.385
Whereas just my belief alone, I could
be taking pills with nothing in them,

01:29:33.395 --> 01:29:37.215
but if I believe hard enough that
that is going to make me healthier.

01:29:37.810 --> 01:29:41.580
It will, because the ultimate
health machine is your mind.

01:29:41.590 --> 01:29:42.070
Yeah, I agree.

01:29:42.410 --> 01:29:46.290
And, you know, believing in
something will make it true.

01:29:46.360 --> 01:29:48.339
And it goes back to everything
we already talked about.

01:29:48.540 --> 01:29:49.739
What a man thinks he will do.

01:29:49.830 --> 01:29:50.290
Yes.

01:29:50.540 --> 01:29:53.599
And so there is amazing health
properties to medicinal mushrooms,

01:29:53.899 --> 01:29:56.639
but I know just the fact that I
believe in those health properties

01:29:56.670 --> 01:29:58.960
and I'm taking them, that in itself.

01:29:59.205 --> 01:30:00.095
Is going to make

01:30:00.095 --> 01:30:00.615
Travis Bader: me healthier.

01:30:00.635 --> 01:30:03.415
But isn't the government talking
about the Canadian government anyways,

01:30:03.415 --> 01:30:06.525
talking about clamping down on all
of this holistic type medicine.

01:30:06.775 --> 01:30:07.215
Of course

01:30:07.215 --> 01:30:07.545
Ian McIntosh: they are.

01:30:07.745 --> 01:30:08.065
Right.

01:30:08.225 --> 01:30:09.395
Who do you think's in charge of that?

01:30:09.565 --> 01:30:10.345
Yeah, there you go.

01:30:11.215 --> 01:30:12.184
The Canadian, the Canadian FDA.

01:30:12.185 --> 01:30:12.539
Yeah.

01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:17.450
You know, the, the people that want
to make money off of feeding us crap

01:30:17.450 --> 01:30:19.050
food that they can mass produce.

01:30:19.530 --> 01:30:26.329
And then when we get sick, uh, selling
us drugs to deal with, uh, the pain of

01:30:26.330 --> 01:30:29.870
our sickness, um, that's, that's the MO.

01:30:29.919 --> 01:30:33.150
And of course they're going to try
and clamp down on this sort of stuff.

01:30:33.190 --> 01:30:37.240
But I will say at the same time,
you know, uh, stay wild has, has

01:30:37.240 --> 01:30:39.170
gotten Canadian government grants to.

01:30:39.480 --> 01:30:44.100
Do stuff, um, and you know, they're
growing facilities and the new facilities

01:30:44.100 --> 01:30:48.230
that they're developing in Pemberton, uh,
for the future are a big part of that.

01:30:48.260 --> 01:30:51.330
And so they might be trying to
clamp down on it, but at the

01:30:51.330 --> 01:30:53.169
same time, um, they're not.

01:30:53.210 --> 01:30:58.750
And, you know, I think the legalization
of marijuana is a, is a, you know, I'm not

01:30:58.820 --> 01:31:03.090
going to sit here and be a proponent of
you should do marijuana or not, but for a

01:31:03.090 --> 01:31:07.610
lot of people, it's helping them and, and
just like allowing people to have that.

01:31:07.815 --> 01:31:11.155
Choice, uh, and take
that holistic approach.

01:31:11.365 --> 01:31:15.805
If that's helping you with your anxiety or
whatever it may be, then great, you should

01:31:15.814 --> 01:31:20.775
be able to do it, you know, um, instead
of being like, no, that's illegal because

01:31:21.165 --> 01:31:22.664
we're going to sell you this instead,

01:31:22.885 --> 01:31:23.275
Travis Bader: you know.

01:31:23.434 --> 01:31:29.005
So very early age, I was diagnosed with
ADHD, high dose of Ritalin, I was on

01:31:29.005 --> 01:31:33.425
an experimental program in the province
and I took myself off cold Turkey by,

01:31:33.615 --> 01:31:35.085
uh, before I went into high school.

01:31:35.275 --> 01:31:35.705
Right.

01:31:35.795 --> 01:31:37.315
Um, you'll notice we have.

01:31:37.715 --> 01:31:40.485
Pads here that we can write stuff
down as we talk and that way

01:31:40.485 --> 01:31:41.735
we don't interrupt each other.

01:31:42.025 --> 01:31:44.525
But it's also a long
term memory is fantastic.

01:31:44.545 --> 01:31:47.284
My short term memory, man, I better
get this written down right away.

01:31:47.285 --> 01:31:47.575
Right.

01:31:47.935 --> 01:31:49.375
So you're saying lion's mane.

01:31:49.375 --> 01:31:50.745
Is that the one that's
supposed to help with that

01:31:50.745 --> 01:31:51.235
Ian McIntosh: kind of stuff?

01:31:51.235 --> 01:31:51.455
Yeah.

01:31:51.485 --> 01:31:55.284
Lion's mane and reishi mushrooms will
really help with your cognitive function.

01:31:55.284 --> 01:31:58.525
And there's actually new scientific
studies that are directly

01:31:58.525 --> 01:32:02.485
pointing to lion's mane helps your
brain grow new neural pathways.

01:32:03.140 --> 01:32:06.800
It's not like we, the old science used
to be like, you get to a certain age,

01:32:07.100 --> 01:32:10.900
your brain becomes fully developed as
a human and you do not grow any more

01:32:11.240 --> 01:32:13.259
neural cells or new neural pathways.

01:32:13.259 --> 01:32:15.380
And that's no longer the truth.

01:32:15.629 --> 01:32:21.380
Psilocybin is another one that does
it, but, um, lion's mane, uh, does

01:32:21.420 --> 01:32:26.140
actually help your brain grow new
neural cells and neural pathways.

01:32:26.370 --> 01:32:32.370
And so it really, it, it heals your
brain and helps your brain, um, become.

01:32:33.040 --> 01:32:37.940
And if you're, if you're combining
that with like some educational

01:32:37.940 --> 01:32:41.850
tools, you're, you're literally
making yourself smarter every day.

01:32:41.859 --> 01:32:45.320
And you're decreasing your
chances of one day developing

01:32:45.370 --> 01:32:47.249
Alzheimer's or dementia immensely.

01:32:47.720 --> 01:32:51.540
Travis Bader: So a friend and past podcast
guest lives up in the Squamish area,

01:32:51.720 --> 01:33:00.220
Sonny, he is a pro bare knuckle boxer and
he's a, uh, uh, Raises money for heroic

01:33:00.220 --> 01:33:05.020
hearts and their, uh, they use psilocybin
treatment for PTSD and veterans and

01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:09.740
anyways, um, and he keeps saying, you
know, these medicinal mushrooms out there,

01:33:09.740 --> 01:33:11.529
but you have to put the work in, right?

01:33:11.530 --> 01:33:13.659
Cause the same thing he says,
you know, makes a new neural

01:33:13.660 --> 01:33:14.769
networks and all the rest.

01:33:15.470 --> 01:33:19.330
I have to wonder though, because
I've heard the analogy, it's like.

01:33:19.705 --> 01:33:23.185
A ski slope and everyone's going down
the slope and you got the ruts that are

01:33:23.185 --> 01:33:28.605
all worn in, it gives the ability to
basically fresh snow and you can start

01:33:28.605 --> 01:33:31.124
choosing new paths, new, new ways to go.

01:33:32.105 --> 01:33:32.615
Would it.

01:33:33.590 --> 01:33:37.130
If it gives the ability to create
new neural networks, so hopefully

01:33:37.130 --> 01:33:39.370
you're putting the work in to
be able to do something that's

01:33:39.370 --> 01:33:40.660
a little bit more positive.

01:33:40.900 --> 01:33:41.060
Yeah.

01:33:41.060 --> 01:33:46.070
If you don't put that work in, are
you doubling down on those past

01:33:46.070 --> 01:33:49.460
neural pathways that aren't bringing
you the success or the happiness

01:33:49.470 --> 01:33:50.099
Ian McIntosh: that you're looking for?

01:33:50.220 --> 01:33:54.550
I mean, I think so, but I mean,
I, I don't know the, I don't know

01:33:54.550 --> 01:33:57.510
what the science is there, so I'm
not going to say definitively.

01:33:57.790 --> 01:34:02.240
Yes or no, my gut instinct is probably
yes, but it goes, it goes back to

01:34:02.240 --> 01:34:04.050
the same thing of like manifesting.

01:34:04.340 --> 01:34:08.220
It's like, you know, the whole idea of
like the energy connects everything.

01:34:08.490 --> 01:34:11.499
And you know, the feeling of
abundance creates more abundance,

01:34:11.949 --> 01:34:15.010
but you got to still put in the work.

01:34:15.140 --> 01:34:16.529
There's an action

01:34:16.529 --> 01:34:17.079
Travis Bader: piece that needs to

01:34:17.089 --> 01:34:17.469
Ian McIntosh: happen.

01:34:17.600 --> 01:34:21.080
There's a reason that, and I
might offend some people here,

01:34:21.080 --> 01:34:25.440
but there's a reason that simply
sitting there and praying to God.

01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:27.820
Is nothing's going to happen.

01:34:28.540 --> 01:34:33.100
God's listening, or in my mind, the energy
that connects everything is listening.

01:34:33.110 --> 01:34:33.410
Sure.

01:34:33.460 --> 01:34:39.149
But if you then don't turn that prayer
into action, nothing will ever happen.

01:34:39.540 --> 01:34:42.259
And so it's about combining
all that stuff, right?

01:34:42.260 --> 01:34:46.549
So it's, yes, take the lion's
mane, but continue to download.

01:34:46.690 --> 01:34:50.540
Books into your brain, continue to
exercise your brain so that those

01:34:50.550 --> 01:34:55.690
new neural pathways have reason for
developing in the first place, you're

01:34:55.690 --> 01:34:59.950
growing your brain, you're becoming
smarter, you're becoming, you know, uh,

01:34:59.990 --> 01:35:04.759
more intelligent and, and you're healing
past traumas and, and healing parts

01:35:04.759 --> 01:35:06.270
of your brain that might be damaged.

01:35:06.270 --> 01:35:09.140
And so, um, yeah, you
got to put in the work.

01:35:09.670 --> 01:35:11.060
Travis Bader: I'm sure
you've heard that old joke.

01:35:11.280 --> 01:35:13.649
There's a flood coming and the guys.

01:35:14.610 --> 01:35:16.740
In front of his house, person
drives by, he's like, there's

01:35:16.740 --> 01:35:18.020
a big flood, the dam broke.

01:35:18.020 --> 01:35:19.080
It's going to flood the whole town.

01:35:19.080 --> 01:35:19.590
You got to get out.

01:35:19.880 --> 01:35:20.120
Right.

01:35:20.120 --> 01:35:22.120
And he's like, I'll pray to my God.

01:35:22.130 --> 01:35:22.690
Don't worry.

01:35:22.720 --> 01:35:23.170
We're good.

01:35:23.170 --> 01:35:23.330
Right.

01:35:23.330 --> 01:35:24.410
I said my prayers this morning.

01:35:24.410 --> 01:35:25.330
I'll just continue praying.

01:35:25.330 --> 01:35:25.540
Right.

01:35:25.920 --> 01:35:26.240
Okay.

01:35:26.300 --> 01:35:28.650
She goes inside and water levels rise.

01:35:28.650 --> 01:35:31.570
And so the guy gets up on the
second floor and a boat comes by.

01:35:31.620 --> 01:35:33.069
He's like, buddy, you got to get out.

01:35:33.070 --> 01:35:34.319
No, no, my God's going to save me.

01:35:34.319 --> 01:35:34.889
We're all good.

01:35:34.889 --> 01:35:35.129
Right.

01:35:35.129 --> 01:35:37.410
Next thing you know, he's on the
roof and a helicopter comes by.

01:35:37.420 --> 01:35:38.340
Here, I'll throw you the ladder.

01:35:38.340 --> 01:35:39.130
He's like, no, no, no.

01:35:39.595 --> 01:35:42.135
My God's going to save me next
thing you know, he's in heaven.

01:35:42.135 --> 01:35:44.055
He's like, what the hell God,
you're supposed to save me.

01:35:44.055 --> 01:35:45.305
He's like, I don't know what happened.

01:35:45.305 --> 01:35:47.545
I sent you a car, a boat
now on the carpet, right?

01:35:48.015 --> 01:35:48.385
Yeah, exactly.

01:35:48.385 --> 01:35:48.604
Exactly.

01:35:48.604 --> 01:35:51.894
Ian McIntosh: There's all these things
that have come your way, providing

01:35:51.894 --> 01:35:55.295
you help and you didn't take them
because you were expecting some

01:35:55.295 --> 01:35:57.205
sort of mystical thing to happen.

01:35:57.235 --> 01:35:58.124
And it doesn't work that way.

01:35:58.125 --> 01:35:59.105
It doesn't work that way.

01:35:59.105 --> 01:36:00.375
You got to still put in the work.

01:36:00.375 --> 01:36:05.615
You still got to take those opportunities
that present themselves, uh, and, and

01:36:05.655 --> 01:36:08.855
almost just, you know, try everything.

01:36:09.160 --> 01:36:13.580
You know, I'm, I'm a big pro I'm big
proponent of like, right now in life,

01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:19.399
I'm just throwing darts and seeing what
sticks, you know, and I'll throw as many

01:36:19.400 --> 01:36:23.900
darts as I can, uh, you know, coming
into winter, I've got a lot coming up.

01:36:24.179 --> 01:36:28.660
I'm just like, like, what else can
I, you know, sign myself up for?

01:36:28.710 --> 01:36:29.610
And, you know, all.

01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:34.150
Probably only like 25 percent of
it will end up coming to fruition,

01:36:34.170 --> 01:36:38.440
but I'm just trying everything
and seeing, seeing what sticks.

01:36:38.440 --> 01:36:42.180
And then ultimately the universe, it's
like, okay, you're putting in the work.

01:36:42.670 --> 01:36:43.120
Here's the

01:36:43.120 --> 01:36:43.660
Travis Bader: path.

01:36:43.780 --> 01:36:45.340
The universe will unfold as it should.

01:36:45.389 --> 01:36:45.609
Yeah.

01:36:45.610 --> 01:36:45.940
Yeah.

01:36:45.940 --> 01:36:46.219
Here's

01:36:46.230 --> 01:36:48.789
Ian McIntosh: the path that you
need to take because here's, here's

01:36:48.800 --> 01:36:50.509
the darts that stuck, you know?

01:36:50.719 --> 01:36:53.470
Um, and so, yeah, that's kind
of my mentality right now.

01:36:54.080 --> 01:36:54.460
Travis Bader: Is there anything.

01:36:54.995 --> 01:36:57.795
Is there anything that we haven't
talked about that we should be talking

01:36:57.795 --> 01:36:58.115
Ian McIntosh: about?

01:36:58.815 --> 01:36:59.975
Oh, good question.

01:37:00.185 --> 01:37:05.425
I mean, You know, we can, we can
talk about, uh, I don't know,

01:37:05.605 --> 01:37:07.945
you know, what's a huge trend
these days that I've gotten into?

01:37:07.975 --> 01:37:08.245
What?

01:37:08.295 --> 01:37:10.005
Fasting, intermittent fasting.

01:37:10.325 --> 01:37:10.715
There's

01:37:10.715 --> 01:37:12.025
Travis Bader: so much science behind that.

01:37:12.025 --> 01:37:12.895
That's positive.

01:37:12.935 --> 01:37:13.325
Yes.

01:37:13.335 --> 01:37:14.545
Particularly for men.

01:37:14.695 --> 01:37:15.025
Yes.

01:37:15.075 --> 01:37:18.674
Uh, women there's benefits, but there's,
I think there's a little bit more to

01:37:18.675 --> 01:37:20.244
it that they have to watch out for.

01:37:20.294 --> 01:37:20.814
Yes.

01:37:20.904 --> 01:37:23.535
Ian McIntosh: Um, with men, it's
a huge, it definitely helps your

01:37:23.535 --> 01:37:25.005
testosterone levels and stuff.

01:37:25.375 --> 01:37:28.960
And, uh, And I mean, just
longevity in, in, in general.

01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:30.040
And it goes back to that book.

01:37:30.080 --> 01:37:31.530
Uh, I was talking about lifespan.

01:37:31.980 --> 01:37:36.290
Uh, he goes deep into that and that
guy actually, he, his job and he's

01:37:36.290 --> 01:37:43.780
funded heavily and works at Harvard in
a lab to study human cellular structure

01:37:43.780 --> 01:37:45.670
and how to elongate human life.

01:37:46.030 --> 01:37:49.400
And he's like very, he's very
adamant that our generation.

01:37:49.900 --> 01:37:53.100
In our lives, we're going to have
the inter, we'll have what we

01:37:53.100 --> 01:37:56.030
need to live to 120, no problem.

01:37:56.050 --> 01:37:59.700
But he's like, the sky is almost
the limit for human lifespan.

01:38:00.130 --> 01:38:03.849
And don't worry, there's a huge chapter
on what's that going to do to the

01:38:03.850 --> 01:38:05.970
planet if everyone lives that long.

01:38:06.010 --> 01:38:09.500
And he actually has some great points
in that about like how it's not going

01:38:09.500 --> 01:38:11.040
to be the decimation of the planet.

01:38:11.410 --> 01:38:12.990
Um, but.

01:38:13.615 --> 01:38:17.745
Anyway, the whole point of it
is, is fasting is a huge part of

01:38:17.745 --> 01:38:22.664
what he talks about, because we
didn't get to where we are as human

01:38:22.665 --> 01:38:25.935
beings by having three meals a day.

01:38:26.425 --> 01:38:28.774
Travis Bader: Well, doesn't
fasting have cellular regeneration?

01:38:30.554 --> 01:38:30.954
Ian McIntosh: Yes.

01:38:30.974 --> 01:38:36.235
Cause when you, when your body has no
food to digest and your cells don't,

01:38:36.295 --> 01:38:38.805
aren't full of glucose, they now go.

01:38:39.235 --> 01:38:40.345
Oh, what's our other job.

01:38:40.385 --> 01:38:40.905
Oh yeah.

01:38:40.985 --> 01:38:41.975
Regeneration.

01:38:44.675 --> 01:38:49.885
Whereas if they're so focused on just
dealing with the constant digestion

01:38:49.885 --> 01:38:54.345
and the constant processing of food
and, and energy and, and glucose in

01:38:54.345 --> 01:38:57.975
the, in their cells, they're, they
never have time to go like, Hey,

01:38:57.975 --> 01:38:59.254
there's a cancer cell over there.

01:38:59.254 --> 01:39:00.405
We should get that out of here.

01:39:00.605 --> 01:39:02.054
Or there's like a virus.

01:39:02.054 --> 01:39:03.034
Let's get that out of here.

01:39:03.264 --> 01:39:05.925
Also a fun fact, if
you're in a fasted state.

01:39:07.500 --> 01:39:11.410
Uh, you can, you cannot get
coronavirus or any other virus

01:39:11.410 --> 01:39:13.710
like that, or anything like that.

01:39:13.710 --> 01:39:13.920
Yeah.

01:39:13.950 --> 01:39:15.869
Because there's no glucose in your cell.

01:39:16.049 --> 01:39:18.390
You can't, you can't develop cancer cells.

01:39:18.400 --> 01:39:23.150
If you're in a fasted state, it literally
is the silver bullet to health because

01:39:23.549 --> 01:39:26.930
when you're in that fasted state,
there's no glucose left in your cell.

01:39:27.030 --> 01:39:31.880
And I'm talking like 15 hours
plus 17 hours beyond 17 hours

01:39:31.880 --> 01:39:33.320
is actually like the real money.

01:39:34.150 --> 01:39:34.870
Uh, time.

01:39:35.130 --> 01:39:38.710
So if you can push yourself so you have an
early dinner and you're pushing yourself

01:39:38.710 --> 01:39:42.440
past noon the next day before your next
meal, before anything but water goes in.

01:39:43.200 --> 01:39:46.100
Now your cells have turned within
and they're like, they're cleaning

01:39:46.100 --> 01:39:49.079
up junk DNA and junk cells.

01:39:49.490 --> 01:39:52.130
They're, they're cleaning
up your system, but also.

01:39:52.600 --> 01:39:56.770
Uh, if a virus enters your body
during that time, now, after you eat

01:39:56.820 --> 01:39:59.910
that goes away, cause then you now
have glucose in your cells, but all

01:39:59.910 --> 01:40:05.130
these diseases and viruses, they need
glucose to reproduce in your system.

01:40:05.430 --> 01:40:08.990
And so if they don't have it, if there
is no glucose in your cell, you will

01:40:08.990 --> 01:40:11.269
not get the virus or the disease.

01:40:11.830 --> 01:40:15.990
And, um, again, that is only
when you're in the fasted state,

01:40:16.170 --> 01:40:18.190
it doesn't count beyond that.

01:40:18.190 --> 01:40:21.560
So it's not like, Oh, I intermittently
fast every day and I can never get sick.

01:40:21.580 --> 01:40:26.420
Well, there still is periods of time
where you can get sick, but, um, you know,

01:40:26.750 --> 01:40:30.690
there's a lot of science behind, like,
if you are sick or you're getting sick,

01:40:31.170 --> 01:40:34.025
you know, Stop eating, just drink water.

01:40:34.105 --> 01:40:35.545
Travis Bader: Feed a fever, starve a cold

01:40:35.545 --> 01:40:35.855
Ian McIntosh: or whatever.

01:40:35.955 --> 01:40:36.205
Yeah.

01:40:36.205 --> 01:40:39.255
And I mean, like, you know how, when you
get really sick, you're not really hungry.

01:40:39.255 --> 01:40:40.145
You don't have an appetite.

01:40:40.475 --> 01:40:42.445
That's your body going like, don't eat.

01:40:43.485 --> 01:40:44.185
Interesting.

01:40:44.225 --> 01:40:47.305
We, we need, we need to just
focus on dealing with this.

01:40:47.315 --> 01:40:49.864
And then after we're done
dealing with this, you can eat

01:40:49.864 --> 01:40:50.204
Travis Bader: again.

01:40:50.235 --> 01:40:52.375
Cause anecdotally, I will do that.

01:40:52.435 --> 01:40:53.425
I'll just, I won't eat.

01:40:53.425 --> 01:40:55.035
I feel myself getting sick, something

01:40:55.275 --> 01:40:55.525
Ian McIntosh: happening.

01:40:56.085 --> 01:40:58.285
But like growing up, my mom would
always be like, you know, like

01:40:58.285 --> 01:41:00.645
you gotta have chicken noodle
soup or you gotta, you know, like.

01:41:01.040 --> 01:41:01.890
Here's some Sprite.

01:41:01.930 --> 01:41:07.380
I'm filling my body with, with sugar
and, and, um, I'm, I'm putting food in.

01:41:07.380 --> 01:41:11.350
So now my body's like, well, we
can't deal with getting you better.

01:41:11.380 --> 01:41:16.100
We're dealing with deal with all this food
and sugar that you're putting into us.

01:41:16.130 --> 01:41:16.310
Yeah.

01:41:16.310 --> 01:41:17.480
Sugar's a killer, isn't it?

01:41:17.639 --> 01:41:18.539
It is.

01:41:18.590 --> 01:41:19.780
I mean, there's good sugars.

01:41:19.780 --> 01:41:22.090
There's like, you know, like
your natural, like honeys and,

01:41:22.120 --> 01:41:23.540
and maple syrups and stuff.

01:41:23.570 --> 01:41:27.610
And to a certain extent, like
you can't just like consume

01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:29.384
just huge quantities of it.

01:41:29.725 --> 01:41:32.695
But, you know, it's like, I, when
my kids get sick or a cold, now I

01:41:32.695 --> 01:41:37.185
just give them a scoop of honey,
like local honey from my town.

01:41:37.615 --> 01:41:41.645
And it works way better than giving
them Tylenol because Tylenol,

01:41:41.805 --> 01:41:45.775
Tylenol works great for, for them
to sleep because it like numbs them.

01:41:45.825 --> 01:41:51.025
And it like, it's, it basically masks all
the symptoms, never will make them better.

01:41:51.265 --> 01:41:52.525
It's not a healer.

01:41:52.845 --> 01:41:56.375
It's just a, something to help
you deal with your symptoms.

01:41:56.375 --> 01:42:00.275
And so the scoop of honey
actually has those antimicrobial

01:42:00.275 --> 01:42:04.425
antibacterial properties that are
going to actually, and they love it.

01:42:04.434 --> 01:42:08.474
So it's easy to convince them to take it,
but it actually helps them get better.

01:42:08.734 --> 01:42:10.185
Travis Bader: Kept bees
for a number of years.

01:42:10.195 --> 01:42:13.575
My wife and I, I'm thinking
of talking about it here.

01:42:13.575 --> 01:42:15.055
It makes me want to put
a couple more hives up.

01:42:15.055 --> 01:42:15.225
Right.

01:42:16.245 --> 01:42:18.635
Ian McIntosh: My neighbors used to
have bees and my yard is packed with

01:42:18.635 --> 01:42:22.135
flowers and they were, they would give
us honey and we're like, oh, this is

01:42:22.485 --> 01:42:26.125
honey from our yard, which is, you know,
about as close to home as you can get.

01:42:26.154 --> 01:42:29.875
But, uh, but yeah, man, it, you
know, if you, if you have the time

01:42:29.875 --> 01:42:33.235
and energy for stuff like that,
it's of course amazing to do.

01:42:34.205 --> 01:42:34.675
Travis Bader: Awesome.

01:42:34.705 --> 01:42:36.205
Fasting, intermittent fasting.

01:42:36.245 --> 01:42:38.465
Ian McIntosh: Intermittent
fasting is a game changer for me.

01:42:38.495 --> 01:42:44.125
I've, I've noticed nothing but
positive, um, uh, aspects to it.

01:42:44.185 --> 01:42:48.845
I am so sold on it and, uh, I'm
going to continue to do it for

01:42:49.285 --> 01:42:53.045
Well, as long as I feel necessary,
but at the same time, I don't see

01:42:53.045 --> 01:42:54.755
a time where I won't at this point.

01:42:54.865 --> 01:42:55.135
Yeah.

01:42:55.165 --> 01:42:55.625
We'll see.

01:42:55.625 --> 01:42:58.845
I mean, I haven't even been a full
year of doing it yet, but I've just,

01:42:59.344 --> 01:43:03.585
I've just noticed so much good coming
from it and I just feel better.

01:43:03.884 --> 01:43:04.755
I feel light.

01:43:04.804 --> 01:43:05.035
Is it

01:43:05.035 --> 01:43:06.435
Travis Bader: easier
if you're a vegetarian?

01:43:09.095 --> 01:43:10.405
Ian McIntosh: No, cause I love food.

01:43:10.475 --> 01:43:10.705
Yeah.

01:43:10.765 --> 01:43:11.925
You should see me eat.

01:43:11.925 --> 01:43:12.274
Yeah.

01:43:12.275 --> 01:43:12.505
Yeah.

01:43:12.505 --> 01:43:12.725
Yeah.

01:43:12.725 --> 01:43:15.505
My brother and I, like we ate,
almost ate my parents out of house

01:43:15.505 --> 01:43:17.344
and home and like, I'm a big eater.

01:43:17.635 --> 01:43:19.515
And it's not about like eating less.

01:43:19.955 --> 01:43:23.324
It's about eating less often, you know?

01:43:23.355 --> 01:43:27.735
And so I still consume similar
amount of calories a day, but I

01:43:27.735 --> 01:43:29.705
just put the space in between.

01:43:30.145 --> 01:43:31.315
Yeah, much longer.

01:43:31.585 --> 01:43:35.105
And, and then I, I do two
bigger meals instead of three.

01:43:35.885 --> 01:43:41.185
Travis Bader: I spent a couple of months
over in Greece and, um, I love eating.

01:43:41.435 --> 01:43:42.365
I love food.

01:43:42.675 --> 01:43:46.055
And I realized I just like
all the variety of flavors.

01:43:46.064 --> 01:43:49.304
Like we go, we got Vietnamese
food, we got Japanese food.

01:43:49.304 --> 01:43:50.365
Vancouver is great for that.

01:43:50.415 --> 01:43:51.475
We've got everything right.

01:43:51.645 --> 01:43:54.055
And I'm like, and then we've
got access to all this stuff.

01:43:54.055 --> 01:43:55.325
And when I was over there was.

01:43:55.540 --> 01:44:01.320
The same kind of access to food,
the same greens, lamb, chicken.

01:44:01.570 --> 01:44:07.019
Uh, and I just got bored and I was
not hungry, but I lost 30 pounds.

01:44:07.090 --> 01:44:07.360
Yeah.

01:44:08.060 --> 01:44:10.010
That was over about a two month period.

01:44:10.070 --> 01:44:10.270
Ian McIntosh: Yeah.

01:44:10.270 --> 01:44:10.720
Yeah.

01:44:10.770 --> 01:44:11.770
Well, that's your body.

01:44:11.770 --> 01:44:16.719
Like a lot of people think that, oh, if
you starve yourself, starve yourself,

01:44:16.769 --> 01:44:20.149
if you go hungry, your body's going
to start eating its muscle mass.

01:44:21.340 --> 01:44:25.680
Our bodies are not designed like
that mother nature didn't design

01:44:25.680 --> 01:44:29.570
us so that the first thing our body
starts eating when we're, when we

01:44:29.570 --> 01:44:31.290
don't get food is our muscle mass.

01:44:31.290 --> 01:44:32.890
It goes straight for the fat reserves.

01:44:33.369 --> 01:44:37.100
It's like a bear hibernating,
you know, it's like, uh, a lion

01:44:37.100 --> 01:44:38.460
doesn't lose its muscle mass.

01:44:38.460 --> 01:44:41.539
If it hasn't eaten in days,
it loses all of its fat.

01:44:41.830 --> 01:44:43.370
And that's the first thing to go.

01:44:43.370 --> 01:44:45.860
So yeah, that's the, another huge benefit.

01:44:46.100 --> 01:44:49.640
You get into that 13 to 15
hour fast, that's your like

01:44:49.650 --> 01:44:52.140
fat burning, big time stage.

01:44:52.350 --> 01:44:55.150
That's when your body's
just like feeding on fat.

01:44:55.919 --> 01:44:58.810
Travis Bader: Well, Michael Easter
wrote a book called the comfort crisis.

01:44:58.869 --> 01:44:59.189
Yeah.

01:44:59.220 --> 01:45:00.050
Popular book.

01:45:00.090 --> 01:45:01.104
I just finished.

01:45:01.225 --> 01:45:04.375
Actually, I started reading
it and I finished listening to

01:45:04.375 --> 01:45:06.225
it on a, uh, on a road trip.

01:45:06.275 --> 01:45:08.305
A friend of mine gave me the book
says, you gotta listen to it.

01:45:08.305 --> 01:45:08.925
It's really good.

01:45:08.925 --> 01:45:09.815
It's got some good info.

01:45:10.065 --> 01:45:13.505
And he talks about intermittent fasting,
but also the psychological benefit

01:45:14.225 --> 01:45:16.485
of not always being comfortable.

01:45:16.495 --> 01:45:17.904
It's okay to be hungry for

01:45:17.904 --> 01:45:18.374
Ian McIntosh: a while.

01:45:18.475 --> 01:45:21.025
I think it's really good
for your mental strength.

01:45:21.485 --> 01:45:25.745
It's really good for mental fortitude
and, and like not becoming someone who

01:45:25.745 --> 01:45:31.585
has an addictive personality or, you know,
if you can like just be hungry and be

01:45:31.585 --> 01:45:36.105
okay with it and then move on with your
life, it's one thing to just sit there

01:45:36.105 --> 01:45:37.835
staring at the pantry or the fridge.

01:45:38.280 --> 01:45:41.090
And like you're 17 hours into a fast.

01:45:41.090 --> 01:45:42.419
You just be like, screw this.

01:45:42.420 --> 01:45:45.290
You know, it's like, but if you just
go out and do stuff, you don't even

01:45:45.290 --> 01:45:48.870
notice, you know, you just forget
that you're, that you haven't eaten.

01:45:49.149 --> 01:45:53.050
And yeah, it's, it's, it's how we evolved.

01:45:53.465 --> 01:45:55.885
We didn't evolve eating
three square meals a day.

01:45:56.455 --> 01:45:58.235
You know, it's the whole notion too.

01:45:58.235 --> 01:46:03.545
And again, don't take offense to anyone
who's listening, but eating meat,

01:46:03.565 --> 01:46:07.874
three square meals a day is not how
we were designed to do food either.

01:46:08.054 --> 01:46:09.115
And I'm not anti meat.

01:46:09.174 --> 01:46:11.175
I think eating meats.

01:46:11.645 --> 01:46:17.305
Really good for you in certain amounts,
but it was only 50 years ago where people

01:46:17.305 --> 01:46:19.335
didn't eat meat three square meals a day.

01:46:19.465 --> 01:46:19.695
Yeah.

01:46:19.695 --> 01:46:20.324
And there are farming

01:46:20.644 --> 01:46:22.705
Travis Bader: practices
have allowed that now.

01:46:22.715 --> 01:46:23.135
Ian McIntosh: Yeah.

01:46:23.144 --> 01:46:26.705
And it's, it's, uh, our farming practices
have allowed it, which is doing huge

01:46:26.705 --> 01:46:30.645
damage to the planet, but, um, they've
allowed us to have meat all the time.

01:46:30.925 --> 01:46:34.175
Our body, it's just too much
for our body to deal with.

01:46:34.655 --> 01:46:36.385
It's it's meats really.

01:46:36.590 --> 01:46:37.940
High in nutrition.

01:46:38.420 --> 01:46:40.950
I have no, no, uh, qualms about that.

01:46:41.260 --> 01:46:46.690
It is very high in nutrition, but it
is really hard for your body to digest.

01:46:46.730 --> 01:46:46.820
Well,

01:46:46.820 --> 01:46:49.949
Travis Bader: didn't Jordan Peterson
and his diet, his diet, Jordan

01:46:49.980 --> 01:46:53.830
Peterson and his daughter go on a,
uh, a diet where all they eat is meat.

01:46:54.049 --> 01:46:54.299
Yes.

01:46:54.350 --> 01:46:55.739
And they're talking
about how great that is

01:46:55.740 --> 01:46:56.060
Ian McIntosh: for them.

01:46:56.225 --> 01:46:57.055
Well, there, okay.

01:46:57.055 --> 01:47:01.055
So the thing about all these diets,
vegan or, or all meat or anything, you

01:47:01.055 --> 01:47:05.995
know what all the common denominator is
between all this, it's a whole foods diet.

01:47:06.995 --> 01:47:08.655
Why are you feeling better?

01:47:08.974 --> 01:47:11.484
Because you're not eating
processed junk anymore.

01:47:11.495 --> 01:47:11.585
I

01:47:11.585 --> 01:47:12.534
Travis Bader: can a hundred percent get

01:47:12.535 --> 01:47:13.014
Ian McIntosh: behind that.

01:47:13.395 --> 01:47:18.565
So this is the thing why I don't, I'm
not, I'm not the vegetarian or vegan

01:47:18.565 --> 01:47:20.085
that's screaming from the rooftops.

01:47:20.085 --> 01:47:20.795
Don't eat meat.

01:47:21.115 --> 01:47:25.614
I'm saying you, you shouldn't eat
as much because your body, it's

01:47:25.614 --> 01:47:27.035
just really slowing you down.

01:47:27.585 --> 01:47:31.505
Um, in, in the right amounts,
it's going to help propel you.

01:47:32.425 --> 01:47:33.725
The people who go all meat.

01:47:33.990 --> 01:47:38.130
First, I don't understand how they
poop, but they, they, they clearly

01:47:38.140 --> 01:47:43.800
get into this like lion, uh, style of
digestion, which is people can do that.

01:47:43.810 --> 01:47:44.160
Sure.

01:47:44.450 --> 01:47:48.920
And, but I, I ultimately think the reason
they're feeling better and, and there's

01:47:48.920 --> 01:47:52.179
been some research done into this is
because they're now on a whole foods diet.

01:47:52.190 --> 01:47:54.020
They're cut out all the processed junk.

01:47:54.020 --> 01:47:54.780
And that's really what.

01:47:55.365 --> 01:47:58.925
Ultimately, everyone should be trying
to do is eat more whole foods, eat

01:47:58.925 --> 01:48:03.125
less processed junk, look at the
ingredients on the stuff you're buying.

01:48:03.605 --> 01:48:07.405
You know, there's a lot of great wording
that food companies put on stuff like

01:48:07.665 --> 01:48:14.185
made with fruit, made with fruit, not
made of fruit or something like that.

01:48:14.195 --> 01:48:16.275
You know, as an example, you know, um.

01:48:16.620 --> 01:48:19.450
So, and then you look at it and
it's like sugar, first ingredient.

01:48:19.490 --> 01:48:23.840
And then, you know, fruit is like way
down the line, you know, these are

01:48:23.840 --> 01:48:25.680
examples of like heavily processed things.

01:48:25.680 --> 01:48:31.039
So really actually, you know, I don't
buy anything new to me without reading

01:48:31.040 --> 01:48:36.640
what's in it, you know, and the less that
there is in it, the better, the more.

01:48:36.965 --> 01:48:41.325
It is closer to a whole food or it
is just a whole food, the better.

01:48:41.855 --> 01:48:46.234
And that's really what people should
be focusing on more than like all meat

01:48:46.235 --> 01:48:48.235
or all vegan or whatever it may be.

01:48:48.475 --> 01:48:49.745
And also I think like.

01:48:50.190 --> 01:48:55.230
You know, if, if we are, if we're
lucky enough to live in an area

01:48:55.230 --> 01:48:59.569
where we can go hunt for our meat,
that is obviously a really holistic,

01:48:59.840 --> 01:49:01.640
healthy meat that you're eating.

01:49:02.050 --> 01:49:06.539
Um, you know, the tortured pig
that, uh, spent its life in a, in a.

01:49:06.985 --> 01:49:11.625
In a pin that it couldn't turn around
in, in Georgia, um, and is just

01:49:11.695 --> 01:49:13.755
constantly being, you know, pregnant.

01:49:13.975 --> 01:49:18.244
And, and, you know, that
meat is not good for you.

01:49:18.255 --> 01:49:22.045
It is full of bad energy for
one it's, it's depression meat.

01:49:22.745 --> 01:49:23.795
Interesting perspective.

01:49:23.795 --> 01:49:23.815
Yeah.

01:49:23.825 --> 01:49:26.884
You know, you're, you're basically
eating depression hormones.

01:49:27.025 --> 01:49:27.515
Hmm.

01:49:28.370 --> 01:49:30.030
And that animal is depressed.

01:49:30.070 --> 01:49:30.330
Yeah.

01:49:30.380 --> 01:49:31.740
These animals are very intelligent.

01:49:31.740 --> 01:49:31.980
Right.

01:49:32.480 --> 01:49:39.110
So again, it goes back to like a whole
foods diet and, and understanding

01:49:39.120 --> 01:49:41.120
where your, where your food came from.

01:49:41.120 --> 01:49:45.490
And if you're just buying like, you
know, the cheapest stuff off the shelf,

01:49:45.829 --> 01:49:50.510
I know that a lot of people it's hard
times right now and we're all feeling it.

01:49:50.630 --> 01:49:56.620
And things are expensive, but that
cheapest stuff off the shelf is also the,

01:49:56.920 --> 01:49:58.930
the worst, probably the worst for you.

01:49:58.949 --> 01:49:59.129
Yeah.

01:49:59.130 --> 01:49:59.700
The cost

01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:00.840
Travis Bader: behind that's pretty high.

01:50:01.050 --> 01:50:01.390
Yes.

01:50:01.410 --> 01:50:02.510
Your health cost behind

01:50:02.510 --> 01:50:02.680
Ian McIntosh: it.

01:50:02.690 --> 01:50:04.590
The environmental cost behind it.

01:50:04.640 --> 01:50:10.140
Um, the, the cost that went into whatever,
if it's an animal, that animal's mental

01:50:10.140 --> 01:50:13.140
health, you know, like there's all,
there's a huge cost associated there.

01:50:13.320 --> 01:50:16.570
And it's, it's the whole notion where
people are like organic blueberries,

01:50:16.570 --> 01:50:18.580
eight 99, that's ludicrous.

01:50:18.580 --> 01:50:20.210
But then they immediately go over to the.

01:50:20.425 --> 01:50:23.845
Brewery and buy a 12 IPA, totally.

01:50:24.105 --> 01:50:27.525
You know, it's like, all right,
well, don't get me wrong.

01:50:28.335 --> 01:50:31.655
I love myself a 12 IPA, but.

01:50:32.450 --> 01:50:36.240
That is alcohol is poison and
those blueberries, those organic

01:50:36.240 --> 01:50:39.030
blueberries were a whole health food.

01:50:39.540 --> 01:50:44.790
And you're saying, so our mentality
around food, especially in this day

01:50:44.799 --> 01:50:48.140
and age is got to switch a little
bit because we got to prioritize

01:50:48.150 --> 01:50:49.200
where we're putting our money.

01:50:49.490 --> 01:50:52.099
And I think prioritizing, putting
your money into your health.

01:50:52.630 --> 01:50:57.710
Is ultimately going to allow you to
be a happier, more fulfilled person.

01:50:58.070 --> 01:51:02.210
It's going to change
your mental everything.

01:51:02.269 --> 01:51:06.450
And therefore you're just going to
find everything flows your way better.

01:51:06.460 --> 01:51:11.500
Even like, it's like feeding your
mind, you know, feeding your body is

01:51:11.500 --> 01:51:16.650
feeding your mind, our, our, our, our
digestive system is full of neural.

01:51:17.705 --> 01:51:19.205
A neural network as well.

01:51:19.285 --> 01:51:23.265
Like there's that we're
literally feeding our brain.

01:51:23.385 --> 01:51:29.105
And if you've are, all you're eating is
junk, your mind is going to be junk and

01:51:29.105 --> 01:51:30.855
you're probably going to be depressed.

01:51:31.165 --> 01:51:33.825
Like it really impacts everything.

01:51:33.825 --> 01:51:36.735
And I think people are starting to
realize that, but more people should

01:51:36.735 --> 01:51:42.044
is what we're putting into our bodies
is, is directly affecting not only

01:51:42.044 --> 01:51:44.104
our internal health, but our mindset.

01:51:44.384 --> 01:51:45.634
Travis Bader: Do you think
people are recognizing it?

01:51:45.664 --> 01:51:48.024
Cause my, I look in my circles.

01:51:48.285 --> 01:51:53.755
And I would say so based like my wife's
a red seal chef, she worked in a bakery

01:51:53.755 --> 01:51:57.595
for a number of years, worked at, uh,
some high end restaurants and we do all

01:51:57.595 --> 01:52:00.825
our own butchering, everything like I'll
complain, I open up the fridge and it

01:52:00.825 --> 01:52:03.635
looks like it's all condiments and like,
how am I supposed to make something

01:52:03.635 --> 01:52:08.480
out of, uh, All these different crazy
containers and whatever is in there.

01:52:08.480 --> 01:52:10.840
And I look in the pantry and
it's stuff full of stuff.

01:52:10.900 --> 01:52:11.160
Yeah.

01:52:11.180 --> 01:52:12.970
We have awesome food all the time.

01:52:13.010 --> 01:52:13.340
Yeah.

01:52:13.430 --> 01:52:15.549
And everything I hear back
from her is a new book.

01:52:15.550 --> 01:52:19.070
She's read about basically how we should
have our own farm in our backyard and

01:52:19.070 --> 01:52:25.840
we should have, um, so my circle is
definitely leaning towards the, uh,

01:52:25.850 --> 01:52:31.050
recognition that, Eating whole foods,
proper foods is, is the way to go.

01:52:31.080 --> 01:52:33.600
Do you think people in
general are seeing that?

01:52:34.510 --> 01:52:35.960
Ian McIntosh: And the entire world?

01:52:36.000 --> 01:52:36.430
No.

01:52:37.000 --> 01:52:40.550
Travis Bader: And, and I mean, when you're
saying times are getting tight and money's

01:52:40.550 --> 01:52:46.229
getting tight, um, it's easier for people
just to go and buy the cheap fast food.

01:52:47.300 --> 01:52:50.120
Ian McIntosh: Um, I think, I mean,
it's kind of by design, isn't it?

01:52:50.360 --> 01:52:50.720
Yeah.

01:52:51.390 --> 01:52:52.270
You know, we're going to go there.

01:52:52.500 --> 01:52:56.820
Well, I mean, it's the FDA, you know,
they're, they're, uh, they're not.

01:52:57.120 --> 01:53:00.310
Um, they're not worried about your health.

01:53:01.435 --> 01:53:04.615
They want to make big profits
on the crap food they sell you.

01:53:04.925 --> 01:53:07.405
And then when you get sick,
feed you full of meds.

01:53:07.405 --> 01:53:08.415
That's what we talked about, you know?

01:53:08.415 --> 01:53:13.455
And, um, and so, yeah, you need to, you
need to take a step back and realize

01:53:13.455 --> 01:53:18.264
that like, I'm not a big conspiracy
guy, you know, I, I love conspiracies.

01:53:18.275 --> 01:53:21.024
I love entertaining the notion of them.

01:53:21.054 --> 01:53:21.404
Sure.

01:53:21.614 --> 01:53:25.155
I'm not going to buy into anything
without concrete evidence or proof,

01:53:25.645 --> 01:53:30.630
but, um, I will say that there's
some pretty good concrete evidence

01:53:30.630 --> 01:53:34.490
and proof that the powers that
be do not care about our health.

01:53:35.830 --> 01:53:39.220
And so you need to take the
matters into your own hands.

01:53:39.530 --> 01:53:44.150
And yes, we're in a time where just going
to get the cheap food is, seems to be the

01:53:44.150 --> 01:53:49.890
better option, but I can guarantee you,
there's a lot of people out there that

01:53:49.890 --> 01:53:54.960
will still have budget to go to the pub or
go, you know, get drunk on the weekends.

01:53:55.705 --> 01:53:59.385
But they're not willing to
invest into that high quality

01:53:59.395 --> 01:54:00.835
food at the grocery store.

01:54:00.945 --> 01:54:01.405
Well, wasn't

01:54:01.405 --> 01:54:04.005
Travis Bader: that food pyramid that
we all learned in elementary school?

01:54:04.005 --> 01:54:04.475
Wasn't that?

01:54:04.885 --> 01:54:11.255
Basically put together by in groups that
had an interest in seeing people eat

01:54:11.255 --> 01:54:14.945
lots of, uh, uh, grains essentially.

01:54:14.984 --> 01:54:15.454
Ian McIntosh: Yes.

01:54:15.475 --> 01:54:20.375
And, and dairy and, and, uh, I mean,
it's, yeah, it was, you know, the whole

01:54:20.375 --> 01:54:22.945
notion that like pork is a breakfast meat.

01:54:23.230 --> 01:54:23.600
Right.

01:54:24.620 --> 01:54:25.850
Everyone eats pork for breakfast.

01:54:25.870 --> 01:54:26.660
Why is that?

01:54:26.910 --> 01:54:30.410
Well, it was because in the, I think it
was in the fifties, they went on this

01:54:30.410 --> 01:54:32.110
huge market, nobody was eating pork.

01:54:32.470 --> 01:54:34.080
They're like, we need to change this.

01:54:34.090 --> 01:54:35.570
So more people eat pork.

01:54:35.870 --> 01:54:37.360
We're going to make it the breakfast meat.

01:54:37.659 --> 01:54:41.059
And then they like went on this huge
campaign to make it the breakfast.

01:54:41.080 --> 01:54:44.900
And now everyone eats pork for breakfast
every day without even questioning why.

01:54:44.900 --> 01:54:45.604
It's like.

01:54:45.945 --> 01:54:47.335
This happened by design.

01:54:47.345 --> 01:54:48.735
It didn't happen by accident.

01:54:48.815 --> 01:54:48.945
Yeah,

01:54:48.945 --> 01:54:49.625
Travis Bader: you raise a good point.

01:54:49.625 --> 01:54:51.915
I should have break, he can
breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

01:54:52.195 --> 01:54:53.305
Yeah, exactly.

01:54:53.744 --> 01:54:54.745
Or not just breakfast.

01:54:54.865 --> 01:54:55.105
Not

01:54:55.105 --> 01:54:56.055
Ian McIntosh: just breakfast.

01:54:56.055 --> 01:54:56.345
Yeah.

01:54:56.845 --> 01:55:01.005
But yeah, I mean, I've got a buddy
like, you know, uh, here I am like

01:55:01.005 --> 01:55:03.674
the vegetarian vegan, but like one
of my good friends, he's an avid

01:55:03.675 --> 01:55:06.345
hunter and he grows his own pigs.

01:55:06.345 --> 01:55:07.955
He's got five acres up in Pemberton.

01:55:08.215 --> 01:55:09.165
He grows his own pigs.

01:55:09.165 --> 01:55:10.015
They have a garden.

01:55:10.440 --> 01:55:14.240
Um, the deer come and eat their garden
all the time, but then they went up on

01:55:14.240 --> 01:55:17.920
the mountainside and they shoot those deer
and then they cut it with the pork that

01:55:17.920 --> 01:55:19.580
they've been growing in their backyard.

01:55:19.819 --> 01:55:21.530
I'm like, that's a closed
system right there.

01:55:21.530 --> 01:55:22.839
Not everyone has that.

01:55:22.979 --> 01:55:23.819
Living the life.

01:55:23.830 --> 01:55:26.380
That not everyone has that like ability.

01:55:26.380 --> 01:55:29.450
They don't all live on a five acre
property in the countryside, but like.

01:55:30.105 --> 01:55:35.525
But like understanding that that should
be, you should really try and understand

01:55:35.525 --> 01:55:39.024
where your food's coming from and
what's in your food and it should be

01:55:39.024 --> 01:55:42.555
the most simplest basic ingredients.

01:55:42.735 --> 01:55:46.025
You know, it's, um,
when you look at bread.

01:55:46.500 --> 01:55:47.790
For instance, mm.

01:55:47.850 --> 01:55:49.860
Like 12 grain artisan bread.

01:55:49.860 --> 01:55:53.280
And you look at the back and it's got like
a million ingredients in it and it's full

01:55:53.280 --> 01:55:59.820
of all these like B 12 and rib flavin and
thi rib flavin, you know, all this stuff.

01:55:59.820 --> 01:56:01.830
And you're like, oh, this
stuff is all good for me.

01:56:02.210 --> 01:56:04.040
Your body doesn't know
what to do with all that.

01:56:04.040 --> 01:56:06.020
It's, there's too much stuff.

01:56:06.050 --> 01:56:06.410
Mm.

01:56:06.500 --> 01:56:10.700
In one little mouthful that your body's
like, nah, I can't deal with this.

01:56:11.090 --> 01:56:15.630
Um, you know, whereas if you just had
bread that was just like flour mm-hmm.

01:56:15.870 --> 01:56:16.230
yeast.

01:56:16.485 --> 01:56:21.265
Water, salt, that's a way healthier
product and it could be white flour is

01:56:21.265 --> 01:56:27.545
still healthier than your 12 grain artisan
riboflavin filled bread, you know, so.

01:56:27.915 --> 01:56:31.055
Understanding that the most simple
ingredients is, is ultimately the

01:56:31.065 --> 01:56:35.825
best, best food for you, you know,
and this is mushrooms are just

01:56:35.835 --> 01:56:40.645
mushrooms because, you know, they're
a whole food and they're a whole food.

01:56:40.645 --> 01:56:41.495
That's really good for you.

01:56:41.495 --> 01:56:43.805
And so there's a lot of whole
foods that are really good for you.

01:56:44.155 --> 01:56:48.125
You look at the, um, you
know, the, the blue zones.

01:56:48.330 --> 01:56:48.870
You ever heard of this?

01:56:48.920 --> 01:56:49.550
No, what's that?

01:56:49.790 --> 01:56:52.630
Oh, it's like the zones in the world
where people live over a hundred,

01:56:52.890 --> 01:56:55.960
like where there's like a higher
concentration of people living over a

01:56:55.960 --> 01:56:56.300
Travis Bader: hundred.

01:56:56.330 --> 01:56:59.860
So we're not talking about the conductive
energy weapons and the color blue.

01:56:59.980 --> 01:57:00.230
Okay.

01:57:01.220 --> 01:57:01.919
Ian McIntosh: Different blue zones.

01:57:02.480 --> 01:57:05.410
But yeah, the guy who wrote the book
blue zones, which is, uh, he came

01:57:05.410 --> 01:57:08.460
to a North face athlete summit that
we had one year and presented his

01:57:08.460 --> 01:57:11.690
book to us and all the blue zones
that he had found around the world.

01:57:12.225 --> 01:57:14.915
I think the big common denominator
aside from the fact that these

01:57:14.965 --> 01:57:18.245
elderly people were still valued
in their community and still felt

01:57:18.245 --> 01:57:21.545
like they had purpose, they weren't
just shoved in a home and forgotten.

01:57:22.125 --> 01:57:23.345
That was a big part of it.

01:57:23.715 --> 01:57:27.275
Um, but also that they were
eating a very whole foods diet.

01:57:27.675 --> 01:57:31.645
You know, um, and had been their
whole life, whether it's fish or

01:57:31.645 --> 01:57:33.955
meat or plants, it doesn't matter.

01:57:34.105 --> 01:57:36.025
It's basic whole food ingredients.

01:57:37.085 --> 01:57:42.915
So, and then, yeah, maybe not eating
like, you know, three massive meals a day.

01:57:42.955 --> 01:57:44.585
You don't need to be full all the time.

01:57:44.655 --> 01:57:45.955
You don't need to be full all the time.

01:57:45.965 --> 01:57:48.675
It's like, I now embrace
the feeling of hunger.

01:57:49.095 --> 01:57:49.685
It's weird.

01:57:49.955 --> 01:57:50.795
I was the same way.

01:57:50.905 --> 01:57:51.555
I used to.

01:57:51.995 --> 01:57:54.975
Like the second I felt hungry, I
would like shove a giant burrito

01:57:54.975 --> 01:57:59.845
in my face, you know, like, and
now I'm just like, oh, I'm hungry.

01:57:59.845 --> 01:58:00.335
Sweet.

01:58:00.585 --> 01:58:03.825
Like I am officially in a fasted state.

01:58:04.274 --> 01:58:04.624
Done.

01:58:04.814 --> 01:58:05.214
Done.

01:58:05.265 --> 01:58:05.675
Yeah.

01:58:05.724 --> 01:58:06.275
We're doing it.

01:58:06.484 --> 01:58:08.544
You know, it's like, this is good for me.

01:58:08.945 --> 01:58:10.095
Travis Bader: I find
that hunting as well too.

01:58:10.105 --> 01:58:14.075
I'll go out and I might miss a meal or
I might end up working on an animal for

01:58:14.075 --> 01:58:19.075
a longer time and I'm real tired and
I'll skip it and I go for the next one.

01:58:19.155 --> 01:58:19.494
I don't.

01:58:20.490 --> 01:58:22.330
You're in a more wild state, I think.

01:58:22.330 --> 01:58:26.240
And perhaps a bit more attuned
with things, but I don't find I, I.

01:58:26.890 --> 01:58:30.730
Eat, I know others I've gone hunting
with and like, you're just picking away

01:58:30.730 --> 01:58:33.470
a little bits all through the day and
eating a little bit here and a little bit

01:58:33.480 --> 01:58:33.800
Ian McIntosh: there.

01:58:33.800 --> 01:58:34.360
But, uh.

01:58:34.430 --> 01:58:36.819
Well, and your, your body,
everything that's going on in your

01:58:36.820 --> 01:58:40.300
body, all the cells in your body
are working on processing that.

01:58:40.340 --> 01:58:40.800
Yeah.

01:58:41.050 --> 01:58:46.020
And meanwhile, the person who's in a
more fasted state, your body is 100

01:58:46.020 --> 01:58:48.620
percent focused on your environment
and your energy is 100 percent

01:58:48.620 --> 01:58:50.250
in tune with your environment.

01:58:50.840 --> 01:58:56.580
You know, so there is a, there is a
real scientific thing going on there.

01:58:56.960 --> 01:59:02.210
And, um, and I think, I think
it's really cool to, to, to

01:59:02.210 --> 01:59:03.490
start to go down that path.

01:59:03.490 --> 01:59:05.890
And for me, it's just
been very enlightening.

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to to realize all these things in
the last number of years of my life.

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And, um, I'm not, I don't know
everything and I don't claim I ever

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will or, or anything like that.

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But, you know, I'm just, like I
say, I'm just trying to become a

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little bit better of a human or more
educated human than I was the day.

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yesterday, um, and tomorrow I hope to
again, and if I can keep doing that, then

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I think I'm winning, you know, in life.

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And, and, uh, yeah, a big part
of that education is, has been

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all the things we're just talking
about, about diet and food and the

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reality of the world we live in.

01:59:44.970 --> 01:59:48.000
Travis Bader: Ian, really
enjoyed the conversation here.

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I want to thank you so much for
being on the Silvercore podcast

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and I know I'm going to be picking
your brain about a bunch of other

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things when we're, uh, off air here.

01:59:55.269 --> 01:59:55.620
Ian McIntosh: Thank you.

01:59:55.630 --> 01:59:55.670
Awesome.

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Travis, thank you so much for having me.

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It was a pleasure, man.