WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.000 Yep. 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:02.000 Hey friend, listen. 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:03.000 I know the world is scary right now. 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:04.000 Corruption, war, inflation, demographics, degeneracy, disease, unrest, hatred, and despair. 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:05.000 We didn't come here to tell you how it is, but that it's going to get way better. 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:06.000 Better. 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:07.000 By Bitcoin. 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:08.000 Bitcoin. 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:09.000 Bitcoin. 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:10.000 Bitcoin. 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:11.000 Bitcoin. 00:00:11.000 --> 00:00:12.000 Bitcoin. 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Bitcoin. 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:14.000 Bitcoin. 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:15.000 Bitcoin. 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:16.000 Bitcoin. 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:17.000 Bitcoin. 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:18.000 Bitcoin. 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:19.000 Bitcoin. 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:20.000 Bitcoin. 00:00:20.000 --> 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much for having me on here again, guys. 00:00:56.840 --> 00:00:57.840 This is an honor. 00:00:57.840 --> 00:00:58.840 Thank you. 00:00:58.840 --> 00:00:59.840 Awesome. 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:07.839 So today we wanted to talk about scam culture and the absurdity that is all of crypto and 00:01:07.839 --> 00:01:14.839 how it affects and how it has like just completely poisoned the message of Bitcoin, what Bitcoin 00:01:14.839 --> 00:01:21.839 does, and the really like the incredible solution that Bitcoin brings to civilization. 00:01:22.839 --> 00:01:27.839 So to premise all this kind of this came about because this week, you know, there's all these 00:01:27.839 --> 00:01:31.839 posts on Twitter that are just complaining about inflation. 00:01:31.839 --> 00:01:35.839 And every single time I see one of these posts, I'm like, you know, Bitcoin solves this problem. 00:01:35.839 --> 00:01:37.839 People like you don't need to suffer from inflation. 00:01:37.839 --> 00:01:38.839 Bitcoin solves this problem. 00:01:38.839 --> 00:01:46.839 And it just turns into this unbelievable like roast of me for suggesting a solution to inflation. 00:01:46.839 --> 00:01:49.839 And so that's kind of where it comes from. 00:01:49.839 --> 00:01:52.839 And it's just like you go through and you start to read these replies and the replies 00:01:52.839 --> 00:01:55.839 are it's like it's the same thing over and over again. 00:01:55.839 --> 00:01:59.839 And it's the thing that all of the Bitcoiners here on the call know about and have heard 00:01:59.839 --> 00:02:05.839 about before, which is people conflate Bitcoin with crypto. 00:02:05.839 --> 00:02:08.839 People don't understand what inflation is. 00:02:08.839 --> 00:02:09.839 People don't understand what Bitcoin does. 00:02:09.839 --> 00:02:13.839 People like one of the guys in the thing was like, yo, how am I supposed to use Bitcoin 00:02:13.839 --> 00:02:15.839 when the gas fees are so high? 00:02:15.839 --> 00:02:17.839 I was like, what are you talking about? 00:02:17.839 --> 00:02:18.839 It's unbelievable. 00:02:18.839 --> 00:02:19.839 It's like the amount. 00:02:19.839 --> 00:02:24.839 And then, you know, you read all these things and it turns into this like, wait a second, 00:02:24.839 --> 00:02:31.839 like the amount of damage, like the scam damage that has happened to civilization because 00:02:31.839 --> 00:02:36.839 of Vitalik, because of Ethereum, because of the whole crypto ecosystem. 00:02:36.839 --> 00:02:40.839 It's just it really causes you to pause and think so. 00:02:40.839 --> 00:02:43.839 That's to lead it off. 00:02:43.839 --> 00:02:48.839 JD, what about scams is it for you? 00:02:48.839 --> 00:02:51.839 Like, what's the. 00:02:51.839 --> 00:02:55.839 Yeah, it's I think the biggest thing I'm actually doing right now, I'm looking at Ethereum 00:02:55.839 --> 00:02:59.839 charts of like five year, one month and five days. 00:02:59.839 --> 00:03:01.839 It's like if you get the five year chart, it looks awesome. 00:03:01.839 --> 00:03:05.839 Like a Ponzi when you're being sold, the Ponzi looks phenomenal. 00:03:05.839 --> 00:03:06.839 Right. 00:03:06.839 --> 00:03:10.839 But if you look at the, you know, like the five year chart looks good because, again, 00:03:10.839 --> 00:03:14.839 like any any Ponzi, if you look far enough back to see the guys who got into the beginning 00:03:14.839 --> 00:03:16.839 of the Ponzi, like it's going to look good. 00:03:16.839 --> 00:03:24.839 But the challenge is just, you know. 00:03:24.839 --> 00:03:29.839 It takes kind of like two willing participants for a scam to work. 00:03:29.839 --> 00:03:35.839 It takes the person who is willfully and intentionally trying to scam you, and then it takes the 00:03:35.839 --> 00:03:41.839 person who is either ignorant or, you know, in some kind of a bind. 00:03:41.839 --> 00:03:43.839 Like, I think those are kind of the oh, hey, cool. 00:03:43.839 --> 00:03:44.839 Thanks. 00:03:44.839 --> 00:03:48.839 Ignorant or in, you know, some kind of a bind, because at the end of the day, we're just 00:03:48.839 --> 00:03:54.839 like, yeah, I got to be ignorant because, you know, in order for that asymmetry of you 00:03:54.839 --> 00:03:58.839 being taken advantage of, you know, somebody needs to kind of be in the know. 00:03:58.839 --> 00:04:03.839 And so that's kind of the biggest frustration part about like the scamming part of it is 00:04:03.839 --> 00:04:08.839 it's become a part of our culture because, you know, if you have cuck bucks and Ponzi 00:04:08.839 --> 00:04:12.839 bucks that are losing value, you want to get rid of them as quickly as possible. 00:04:12.839 --> 00:04:16.839 And you want to dump them, the Cantillion effect, on people who have no idea what's 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:20.839 going on because then they're just confused and they're mad at somebody else because they 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:22.839 see somebody else has more. 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:26.839 But then you're actually sitting there fat and happy as the people who are the purveyors 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:30.839 of this dramatic comedy by printing more money. 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:35.839 And so I think that's the thing is it's just like, you know, it's part of the culture specifically 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:40.839 because it's the foundation of what we use as a measure of value. 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:41.839 Yep. 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:42.839 100%. 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:46.839 I love it because that's literally what USD is. 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:49.839 It's just an absolute scam. 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:50.839 Right. 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:53.839 Anton, what's your... 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:57.839 I keep having to mute myself because the birds are going nuts. 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:01.839 I'm sitting outside in Southern California and I will tell you the weather here is not 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:02.839 a scam. 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:07.839 And that's part of the reason why there's so much value in California is just the climate 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:08.839 is insane. 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:11.839 So I'm sitting outside enjoying the beautiful weather. 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:15.839 But do you ever get the feeling that everything is a scam? 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:16.839 Yes. 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:22.839 I've been watching a lot of, you know, sometimes you're looking at YouTube and there's a catchy 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:25.839 title and you get totally sucked in by the click bait. 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:30.839 I clicked on one yesterday and it was like the guy saying, I'm just not made for this 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:31.839 world. 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:36.839 He's sitting there talking to the camera about how from a very young age he was just different 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:37.839 than everybody else. 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:42.839 And, you know, he basically his channel is about minimalism and he decided that he wanted 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:46.839 to make weird music and there wasn't any money to be made in it. 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:51.839 So the only option that he had was to just get his expenses as low as possible. 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:55.839 And the whole video, he's just trying to figure out what this feeling is that he has, that 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.839 the world is just this ruthless place full of hostility. 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:02.839 And basically he's figuring out that everything is a scam. 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:08.839 But in the video, he doesn't come to the conclusion that Bitcoin is the solution. 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:14.839 And there another video that I got sent yesterday was this director, James Gray, saying that 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:18.839 the problem in the world was capitalism. 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:26.839 And he did a commercial for Bleu de Chanel, which is, you know, a luxury brand. 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:30.839 And he's done these movies that are multi-million dollar budget movies. 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:32.839 And his problem is capitalism. 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:34.839 His problem is free markets. 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:39.839 And yet he didn't come to the conclusion that Bitcoin is the solution. 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:42.839 What do we do? 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:43.839 How do we help people? 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:51.839 I actually think it's a great thing for Brandon to kind of go into, because your thing is education, man. 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:54.839 Because I totally agree with everything Anson just said. 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:57.839 Like, how do we help these people? 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:00.839 Yeah, it's this epidemic. 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:06.839 And the one thing, like you said, too, is, you know, well, first off, actually, Ryan, way back, 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:08.839 I'm in Michigan and it's beautiful here today. 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:09.839 It's like 70. 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:13.839 So don't, you know, us Midwest boys got to stick together. 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:15.839 You know, J.D.'s a transplant over there. 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:17.839 So, no, but anyway. 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:18.839 I love Michigan. 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:19.839 It's a sleeper state. 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:20.839 It's incredible. 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:23.839 It's a good thing most people don't know about all the features here. 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:25.839 Or else there would be like 35 million people here. 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:28.839 So, you know, anyway, I digress. 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:32.839 There's white stuff that I like twice a year, though, that people really don't like. 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:35.839 I mean, the one downfall is like we get three months of summer. 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:38.839 Yeah, and then the rest of the year is just like so all over the place. 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:40.839 And so that's the one thing that keeps people away. 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:43.839 Other than that, I mean, anyway, it's inflation. 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:46.839 I consider Michigan the north coast. 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:47.839 Great lakes. 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:48.839 I like the ocean. 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:50.839 It looks like California up north. 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:51.839 Yeah, it's incredible. 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:53.839 There's nothing above it, so. 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:54.839 It's true. 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:57.839 Inflation is looked at as part of capitalism, unfortunately. 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:00.839 And that's where I've talked to many people about this recently and, well, 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:06.839 just over the last year, family, friends and all kinds of people where they conflate the system. 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:09.839 Inflation is just part of capitalism. 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:14.839 Instead of understanding that the monetary network you use is the bedrock foundation 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:17.839 that the economic system sits on top of and they're separate. 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:19.839 And that's what people have a very hard time. 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:21.839 And then you go back to like, well, why don't people know that? 00:08:21.839 --> 00:08:22.839 Well, you guys alluded to it. 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:24.839 Everyone's on an inflationary hamster wheel. 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:25.839 Like it is a fish. 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:26.839 No, he's wet. 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:27.839 He's been in the water his whole life. 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:28.839 Like no one asked these questions. 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:30.839 We just like go to we just like go to war. 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:32.840 And they're like, hey, you know, like here's the weapons. 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:33.840 Here you go. 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:34.840 Getting ready for war. 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:36.840 They're like, no one asked, like, well, why are we at war? 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:37.840 Like, should we stop it? 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:38.840 Like, what's happening? 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:39.840 You know? 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:40.840 And so that's where you go back to. 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:43.840 Again, I talked about this with Tomer Strzolak the other day. 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:47.840 And I asked him, like, why don't people, why do people accept chat GPT or they accept 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:51.840 this technology so quickly, like millions of dollars in a day or millions, you know, 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:52.840 tens of millions in a month. 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:57.840 But yet Bitcoin, it's like this, the superior monetary technology money we've ever seen. 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:00.840 And it's just like, it's like pulling teeth, like to your guys point. 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:02.840 And there's so much, there's such a nuance. 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:06.840 You know, one of the big thing is, is obviously people are incentivized to keep you out of 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:07.840 that system. 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.840 You know, all, all of the, all of the propaganda, all the media, none of it is geared toward 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:15.840 like, you know what, I'm going to give people more freedom said no one ever who already 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:17.840 has control and lots of power. 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:21.840 They're not looking to give you more power, not looking to change the school system, to 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:25.840 change media, to change, you know, popular culture in order to give you more of that 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:26.840 freedom. 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:27.840 That's, that's earned. 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:28.840 You know, that's just, that's not given. 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:32.840 And that's where the people unfortunately have a long road to go in a sense of learning 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:33.840 things. 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:34.840 And that's my biggest fear. 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:38.840 Like to the point of this show, it's going to turn out unbelievably. 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:41.840 I just don't know when it's going to be absolutely amazing. 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:44.840 It's going to be so much abundance and wealth and what's going to come. 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:45.840 But is that going to be a year from now? 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:46.840 Is it going to be 10 years from now? 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:48.840 Is it going to be 50 years from now? 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:52.840 I think it just goes back to how fast are we willing to learn? 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:57.840 Do we need to learn from all of our mistakes and touch the stove and then touch the iron 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:00.840 and then touch all these things in order to keep getting hurt? 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:06.840 And do we need more Canadian trucker protests and stuff going in the farmer protests in 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:07.840 Amsterdam? 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:10.840 Do we need more of these things to happen, more wars in order to keep getting these lessons? 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:11.840 Or how fast are we going to do that? 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.840 And I know that's what all of us here are hell bent on. 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:18.840 Hey, how can we educate people so we don't have to keep touching the stove when we can, 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:23.840 you know, to what you guys alluded to earlier, it's how can we move this forward faster and 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:28.840 move this new system so that we're not continually hurting ourselves in the process? 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:33.840 The thing that comes to mind when you're saying that is the, again, going back to the thread 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:39.840 just because it's fresh in my mind, but it's this idea that people have been so burned 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.840 by crypto to be distinguished from Bitcoin. 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:47.840 The amount of people who have been burned on Bitcoin are like, every time you investigate 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:49.840 their story just a little bit, it's like, no, they burned themselves. 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:51.840 Nobody actually scammed them out of anything. 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:56.840 It's like, no, you just, you like the reason you're upset is because you got burned. 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:00.840 You kept your coin on an exchange that got hacked, right? 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:04.840 It's like always comes back to that kind of framework. 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:11.840 But with the crypto thing, it's like, bro, the entire ecosystem from the exchange to 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:17.840 the coins themselves to everything about it, the developers, there's like this unbelievable 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:23.840 culture about it and that literally cranks out scam and then people get burned by the 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.840 scam and they conflate that with Bitcoin. 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:28.840 And then we were talking about it before the show. 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:34.840 I mean, Anton is like, there's a difference between somebody who like can't learn math 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:36.840 or doesn't understand math, right? 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:40.840 Like people, some people are just really bad at math and they're just like, I'm just not 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:41.840 going to do that, right? 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:44.840 They have good people skills, so they can still get by incredibly well, have good careers, 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:45.840 the rest of it. 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:49.840 There's a difference between somebody who doesn't engage with math because they don't 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:53.840 get it versus somebody who thinks math is evil. 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:57.840 And that's what the crypto scam has done to Bitcoin. 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:02.840 People literally think Bitcoin is evil and they will literally do whatever they can to 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:03.840 not engage with it. 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:06.840 And I just like just throw it out there. 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:07.840 It's not. 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:08.840 That's a lie. 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:10.840 That is completely false. 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:14.840 I don't know if you guys have experienced anything else like that, but it is just it's 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:15.840 unbelievable to me. 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:25.840 One of the reasons why people don't go and learn about Bitcoin is because you can still 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:32.840 make money even though there's the amount of inflation that there is on the US dollar. 00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:40.840 So if you're just a really hardworking person who has a career, you might see your income 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:41.840 going up. 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:42.840 You might see your savings going up. 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:48.840 And if you're investing in the S&P, the S&P is growing and it's outpacing inflation to 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:49.840 some degree. 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:54.840 And yet everything around us is getting worse all the time. 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:56.840 I live in Los Angeles. 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:03.840 I first came to Los Angeles over 20 years ago and it had its problems then, but it was 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:04.840 a different place. 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:07.840 It was a much more fun place to live, a much easier place to live. 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:13.840 And I go outside now and I walk to the end of my street and there's a different person 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:17.840 sleeping on the sidewalk every single day at the end of my own street. 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:26.840 And so us Bitcoiners, we see that the world's getting worse and we look for a solution. 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.840 The massive difference with Bitcoin is that there is nobody at the helm of Bitcoin. 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:31.840 There's nobody running it. 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:39.840 The problem with these altcoins is they all serve one purpose and that is just to make 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:43.840 somebody money by extracting value out of the consumer. 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:45.840 That's the only purpose they serve. 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:50.840 They market themselves in order to do that as that they're solving some problem that 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:51.840 doesn't exist. 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:56.840 And so, yeah, I guess what we're trying to do in this is just to convince everyone that 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:59.840 every single thing is a scam. 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:00.840 There is no next Bitcoin. 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:04.840 There is no better Bitcoin. 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:05.840 There's never going to be. 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:06.840 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:08.840 So, you know, that's all I want to say about that. 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:09.840 Everything's a scam. 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:13.840 Yeah. 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:17.840 And the best part, too, is like you guys just see Vitalik this week talking about I think 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:21.840 it was this week or like really recently of him just saying, like, we need to be more 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:22.840 like Bitcoin. 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:24.840 Like we need to simplify to be more like Bitcoin. 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:25.840 Yes. 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:26.840 Yep. 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:27.840 Boy, boy. 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:28.840 It's just no. 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:34.840 Yeah, it's it's it's one of those things where you just you have to shake your head and and 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:35.840 like what separates people. 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:37.840 And I go back to like the three percent. 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:39.840 And we've talked about this before. 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:41.840 I think we I talked about this months ago on the show. 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:46.840 But it's I'm kind of resigned myself a little bit to the fact that now we still have to 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:47.840 get to three percent. 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:48.840 We're not there yet. 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:50.840 And that's what we are all doing in the Bitcoin space trying to educate. 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:53.840 But I only think it's going to be a few percent of people, handful percent of people that 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:55.840 drag the rest of society forward. 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:56.840 And it's just American Revolution. 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:00.840 Like most people weren't involved in the American Revolution. 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:03.840 And and then everyone got the other 97 percent got the freedom. 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:04.840 They got the Bill of Rights. 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:05.840 They got the Constitution. 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:08.840 They got all these things because three percent said, yeah, I fall. 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:09.840 I'm not doing that. 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:11.840 But, you know, that's not going to work. 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:12.840 And that's Bitcoiners. 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:13.840 And, you know, we're probably what? 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:14.840 I don't know. 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:16.840 You know, not even one percent, maybe one. 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:18.840 You know, like we have a couple of percent of people. 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.840 We have to educate and persuade to come and see the light. 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:23.840 And they're out there. 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:25.840 We need to find them and keep doing the things we're doing. 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:27.840 And and then life will get much better. 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.840 But that goes back to it'll probably take a few years, going to take a few years, going 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:34.840 to be some craziness, like you guys said, watching a new person sleep under the bridge 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:35.840 each night. 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:37.840 And it's going to get a little crazier and get a little crazier. 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:40.840 And then eventually that iceberg will flip like it is gradually. 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:43.840 And then suddenly that iceberg just melts to a certain point and then just flips at 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.840 some point when society is like, whoa, like what's happening? 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:50.840 And that change, fortunately, is much faster than, hey, we got to go fight the king across 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:54.840 the ocean in our wooden boats or, you know, they come here and we fight them here. 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:57.840 But it's a decision and it's a it's a click of a mouse. 00:15:57.840 --> 00:15:59.840 That's you know, that's how quick it can change. 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:00.840 And I think we'll change. 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:02.840 But there's definitely more education between now and then. 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:05.840 And and then resigning ourselves a little bit to the fact that we just need to keep 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:07.840 educating, but we're not going to convince everybody. 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:08.840 There's so many of us. 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:10.840 I think we get into this like this is so obvious. 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:11.840 The truth is true. 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:13.840 Like this is so obvious. 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:15.840 It's going to talk to a couple of weeks ago. 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:17.840 And it was like, yeah, 2012, 1340. 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:20.840 When I got in, he's like, I just in the next year, I thought everyone get this like done. 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:22.840 Like this is game over games that match. 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:24.840 He's just like laughing to himself. 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:25.840 Like, here we are. 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:28.840 So it's a realization I think we all have to go through. 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:32.840 And then it's just like, hey, just galvanize, educate, you know, stay steadfast. 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:33.840 It's going to be a couple of people. 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:37.840 I mean, look at Christ, you know, guys spit in truth and they nailed to a cross. 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:40.840 You know, so like that's at the end of day, we have to accept that. 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:42.840 And most people aren't going to see it the way we see it. 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:47.840 And but they will get the benefits of the of this of this process and the education 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:49.840 that we're all undertaking. 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:55.840 I think it's really interesting, the Christ analogy, because, you know, I firmly believe that, 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.840 you know, as a Christian, I think that that is the correct way to live. 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:01.840 And that is the truth. 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:09.839 But I think what's really interesting is the propagation of Bitcoin in a similar manner to the gospel, 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:13.839 because, you know, Christ had his first followers and then he had his 12 disciples. 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:18.839 And then from 12 to 72 and like just this slow, incremental grind. 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:25.839 And throughout that process, people were literally being like murdered for the for for that story. 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:27.839 Right. To protect that story and to protect that what it is. 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:31.839 And I think that's similar to what we're seeing going on and in Bitcoin. 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:43.839 But coming back to the scam thing is the the reason for the vitriol in terms of anything that is good, 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:48.839 that's counter to the spam, excuse me, the scam. 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:53.839 Is because somebody is losing something, you know, it goes to what Elon said, 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:57.839 if you guys have seen this Doge thing is Elon said when he was at PayPal, 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:01.839 he's like what we've noticed with with the IRS when they're like cutting all this, 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:07.839 cutting all the stuff, the beginning with Doge is he's like the people who scream the loudest are usually the fraudsters. 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:16.839 And it's this really weird dichotomy of like human nature that if you can justify what you're doing in any way, 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:20.839 shape or form, actually, there's a video I think on I think CNN posted it a couple of weeks ago 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:23.839 or it might have been like last week where they're talking like one of the cartels, 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:27.839 which is kind of hilarious. They're like talking to these cartels and like trying to make them the good guys. 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:34.839 But the thing was, the cartel guys rebuttal to the woman's like, do you have any like, like, why are you doing this? 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:41.839 She's like, I got to eat. And that's the truth is that the truth of what he said is that he has found a way to justify what he's doing, 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:46.839 like child sex, sex traffickers or whatever these people are who are doing like negative things. 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:55.839 You find a way to justify the the the ends. And so by whatever means necessary, scamming people, you're willing to do it. 00:18:55.839 --> 00:19:07.839 And so I'd be curious, you know, the take for many of you all of like. Can we like where do we need to start to kind of change that? 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:14.839 Like is it is the issue there like means have just kind of become irrelevant. 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:22.839 People are just like, you know, job hopping or whatever it is because because of the way that works or is the is the bigger issue like families 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:27.839 and culture like kids are not being trained properly to understand like, hey, this is the end. 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:32.839 And so, you know, there actually are ways to get to that end that are not actually good. 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:42.839 So one thing that comes to mind when you're talking about this is the idea of there's somebody who is like screaming the loudest about it. 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:46.839 Well, they're probably the ones leading the scam, the ones who benefit from the scam. Right. 00:19:46.839 --> 00:19:52.839 But then there's everybody else who like steps in and defends them, like voluntarily defends them. 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:58.839 And, you know, again, referencing the thread like came, you see this like you just see it all the time. 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:01.839 And you kind of have to think back, like, why is this even happening? 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:05.839 And they're like, there's the famous quote, some somebody, if maybe you guys know who it is. 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:15.839 But it's like, remember, when you're arguing with like a boomer or an NPC or somebody who essentially gets all their information from the TV, 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:23.839 you're not arguing with a person. You're arguing with a talking head that isn't even processing the thoughts. 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:28.839 Right. You're just you're arguing with the TV. There's no process of thought there. 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:32.839 So how does it switch? Well, maybe it never switches. 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:38.839 Maybe there's just always going to be the ninety seven percent that are always just NPCs. 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:41.839 The thing that that's different, it goes back to Brandon's point. 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:47.839 It's like, well, wait a second. As Bitcoin monetizes, all the bitcoiners are going to have all the agency. 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:50.839 Like we're the ones who are essentially going to be setting the culture. 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:56.839 We're going to be the revolutionaries who are, you know, standing up to the British where everyone else is kind of not participating. 00:20:56.839 --> 00:21:02.839 And then all the NPCs that's going to switch and they're going to be defending Bitcoin, 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:06.839 even if they don't understand what they're doing or what they're saying. 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:14.839 Like they're going to be on our side defending us against the Fed or against whoever else is trying to attack Bitcoin. 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:17.839 It's like that idea is really interesting to me. 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:19.839 I don't I'm not going to say that's true. 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:27.839 And I honestly it's kind of depressing because I'd like to believe that anybody can go through the process of learning Bitcoin 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:32.839 and figuring it out and thinking for themselves and understanding what we're dealing with, 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:38.839 understanding reality and how to interact with reality. But sometimes. 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:42.839 Let me tell a story of how I got scammed. 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:48.839 And this is this is not about Bitcoin, but it somehow led me to Bitcoin. 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:57.839 I am a cinematographer by trade and I was downtown and my job was to film an overnight time lapse. 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:03.839 I was on Los Angeles Street in downtown L.A. two in the morning. 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:10.839 Don't ever go to that area in the middle of the night. It's such a dangerous place. 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:14.839 I'm standing in this parking lot and I'm I'm with a friend who I'm working with. 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:24.839 And this older man comes up to us and he's like, yo, bro, I was I was cleaning this house up in up at Altadena. 00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:28.839 And I found these old silver coins. You want to buy them from me? 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:31.839 I've never seen a silver coin at this point in my life. 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:36.839 And they had the dates on them were like 1778 or 1812. 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:40.839 I don't know. And I'm playing with the coins and looking at them like these are really cool. 00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:44.839 I mean, they've got to be worth something. I don't know what they're made out of. I don't know what they are. 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:50.839 And so my friend and I, we put 50 bucks together, split it between the two of us. 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:53.839 Each of us took a coin. And the next day I went to a coin shop. 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:57.839 And the second I pulled this coin out, the guys at the coin shop were like, what? 00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:01.839 Let me see that. You actually bought one of these. Oh, I haven't seen one of these in a long time. 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:05.839 And they flipped it in their hand, went dunk and came back down. 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:09.839 And he's like, yeah, this is made out of some pot metal. These come from China. 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:14.839 I can't believe you bought these. How much you pay for these? And there's a laughing in my face. 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:20.839 OK, so I bought fake metal coins and wasted 50 bucks. 00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:26.839 A lot of people could have that experience and then be so embarrassed that they would never buy a coin again. 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:34.839 It actually led me to getting educated on what a silver coin is and what numismatic coins are and how they have value. 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:39.839 Which eventually I stopped investing in those and started investing in Bitcoin. 00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:44.839 Had I invested in Bitcoin at the time, I would have many millions of dollars in Bitcoin. 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:52.839 But that's one way to respond to a scam. That's the positive way is to learn how you got scammed, why you got scammed. 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:57.839 Have the humility to realize that you have the naivety to get scammed. 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:02.839 Realize that there are bad people out there trying to scam you and then figure out what to do about it. 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:07.839 So I don't know if you guys want to tell any stories of how you got scammed. It could be interesting. 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:14.839 Yeah, I think that's a great way to start it, too. Let me tell you a story about how I got scammed. 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:20.839 So I had a friend who and this is how I ended up eventually finding Bitcoin. 00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:25.839 But he had brought me a lot of really good investments and I didn't know anything about anything. 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:29.839 And so I was just doing some stock stuff and he was like, hey, you know, and everything he brought me was like really good. 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:33.839 You know, something's like 100 percent return. And I had like five dollars. So it's like, cool. 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:41.839 And I have 10. But he brought me this NFT company and he was like, hey, man, there's this thing called NFTs. 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:47.839 And I kind of heard about this stuff tangentially, you know, it was during the you know, right after like the 2017 bull run. 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:51.839 And, you know, so there's like that hype in my head at least. 00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:57.839 And then he brought this to me and I knew nothing about anything. 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:00.839 But I was just like, everybody that I'm talking with is talking about these things. 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:06.839 And this guy has brought me good investments. And so I'll trust him and I'll go through it. 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:20.839 And so basically kind of like walk through the process of like learning about NFTs and then just kind of like drinking the Kool-Aid of how awesome this stuff was and all the tokenization of everything and all that, you know, and just kind of like buying this thing. 00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:27.839 And I ended up going to NFT LA and like just kind of like again, like drinking to the fire hose of this excitement. 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:33.839 Like Mark Cuban was there and like Busta Rhymes and like, you know, all just all these people like Tom Billy. 00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:41.839 Like there's a lot of really huge people on that stage. And I was like, oh, well, if all these guys are like bought into this, then it must be true. 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:45.839 And so I had this like cult of personality that kind of was drawing me down this thing. 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:48.839 And I didn't do any like positive research. 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:57.839 And the guy who ended up eventually orange peeling me, which is when you really kind of understand Bitcoin, the whole time I'm going through this process, I'm like, hey, man, I'm going to do this NFT thing. 00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:03.839 Like I'm investing this company to all that stuff. It's like, don't do it. Don't do it, man. You're just going to get scammed. You're going to lose all your money. 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:07.839 And I was like, nah, you're wrong. He's like, don't do it. And so I do NFT LA. 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:17.839 It's like a one week break between NFT LA where I signed the contract like and write the check to go to this like chip coin company, essentially. 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:23.839 And it was it was it was all of the money like disposable money I had to invest at that time. 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:32.839 Like literally, I just put on one check and sent it off. Then that next week, I ended up going to the Miami Bitcoin conference in Orlando or Miami. 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:44.839 And the first thing I think the first thing I heard was a talk by Texas Slim at a thing put on by Katie, the Russian called the Underground Citadel. 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:51.839 And I was instantaneously orange billed. And I went and flipped all my coins into Bitcoin like I had like I was like, oh, diversification is good. 00:26:52.839 --> 00:27:00.839 And I called my buddy and I was like, hey, can I get that money back? Because I'd love to like not invest. 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:04.839 I was like, no. And like, you know, six months later, the whole company went down. 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:10.839 I lost every penny I put into it. But from that moment, I touched the stove, put my whole hand on it. 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:18.839 And it just, you know, in the same way with Anton is I really quickly went to the fire hose or went down the rabbit hole back. 00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:25.839 And I was like, OK, what did this guy who was orange on me know that I didn't that made me make a bad decision because I made a bad decision. 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:30.839 That was a lot of stupid tax very fast. And so but since that moment, it's like, you know, it's all gambling. 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:36.839 You know, chip coins are gambling and I don't want to gamble with my kids future. I don't want to gamble with my kids, kids future. 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:40.839 So it's just like I'm not a good investor. So I'm just going to do Bitcoin. I'm going to keep it simple. 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.839 Yeah, that was my that was my scam story that brought me to Bitcoin. 00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:55.839 I've got I've basically been scammed three times, which is the. 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:04.839 Anton, you've done this one as well. The online like remote mining contract scam got scammed out of one of those. 00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:09.839 The and then two exchange hacks. So I've been hacked on exchange two times. 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:19.839 And it's like, wait a second. You go through the process and it's exactly like you said, Anton, which is, you know what? 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:26.839 I I either need to never do this again or figure out what happened and what went wrong. 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.839 Right. Take ownership, at least try and take ownership of the thing. Right. 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:38.839 For me, the thing was I did not understand what I was doing. I needed to be more careful about where I keep my Bitcoin. Right. 00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:47.839 Like, OK, that's that's that's the lesson learned. And then you go from there and that's like so many people create these or go through the same process. 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:53.839 How many people need to go through the same process? But that's where all the culture for like no keys, no cheese. 00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:58.839 Like if your coin is on exchange, it's not your coin. Right. And thank God for that stuff. 00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:02.839 But like, man, some people just need to learn myself, including the hard way. 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:15.839 Yeah, I honestly I think that these are such great stories. And I think the other thing to do is is to remind ourselves of the system is designed to scam you. 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:20.839 You know, so it's like it's not even that people are, you know, they're going with their best interest. 00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:25.839 And we've all we've all seen this and we've all had these roads we cross and everyone's built differently. 00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:31.839 But like in the last five years, right. Decisions you make me, J.D., you and I have talked about this relentlessly over the years. 00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:36.839 And some of the decisions I know you've made in your personal life, like going to bat for yourself and your own beliefs. 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:42.839 I mean, holy cow. I mean, if everyone could act like that, some of the things you've done just to stand up for yourself and your family. 00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:49.839 I mean, kudos. And but the system is designed to go against truth. 00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.839 You know, again, we're in one in a fallen world, like we've mentioned earlier. 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:57.839 So you have to start with that fact. Once you know that, then you can start operating easier in a way. 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:02.839 And, you know, you're fighting that. And the system and then you get to the fiat system. 00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:09.839 So you have like the spiritual realm. But then once you get into this human realm, you're fighting in the system that's incentivized of worse behavior. 00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:16.839 It's incentivizing people to be at each other's throats, to put consumers and producers on either side of the table and combating each other. 00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:21.839 And this is a very weird concept. Most people just like you guys alluded to earlier, they say, you see the capitalism harder, bro. 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:24.839 You just got to work harder. You got to hustle more. You got to grind more. 00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:28.839 You know, and it's just like we get caught up. And I was that guy 10 years ago, 15 years ago. 00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:31.839 Like that was me. You know, it's got to work harder. It's got to study more. 00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:34.839 And I put 10,000 hours in studying. You know, we're all the same age. 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:38.839 I mean, I left Michigan State and oh, nine and the economy is collapsing. 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:43.839 And I realized both these guys from the same team, Barack Obama, George Bush, they were doing the same stuff. 00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:46.839 Everyone in there, you know, in the cabinet was doing the same things. 00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:48.839 And I was like, just blew my mind. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:51.839 Like, what's going on here? I thought like one party was going to do this thing. 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.839 Another party. No, no, no. They're all doing the same thing. 00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:58.839 And that's when I started going down. We drove from Jekyll Island, all these things and starts illuminating that the money is broken. 00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:02.839 The money is designed to scam you. So that way you are on this hamster wheel. 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:06.839 You're on the treadmill and you go back to the Matrix. The Matrix analogy has got to be careful with them. 00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:13.839 But, you know, again, the cogs, the people in the in the cogs, that's humans on a hamster wheel, just paying endless taxes that aren't even there. 00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:22.839 They do it. There's a 1940s article in the American Affairs magazine that the New York Fed had literally admits taxes or revenue are obsolete. 00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:24.839 That's the that's the name of the article for crying out loud. 00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:31.839 And then he goes into bullet points of why they're obsolete and explicitly says it's there to coerce people to redistribute wealth. 00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:37.839 It's it's it's so out front and in the open in your face that it's almost like it's hiding in plain sight. 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.839 And that's kind of why they do it as well. Like if you tell a lie long enough, then everyone believes it. 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:46.839 And so that's what's very weird. And most of the most people look at us and it's like, well, I never learned any of it, buddy. 00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:48.839 Like, I've never heard any of this before. I've never seen any of it. 00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.839 So, like, you must be a scammer, your conspiracy theorist or whatever it is. 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:57.839 So the whole system is designed against what we're saying. So that's where, like, you know, Vitalik's of the world. 00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:01.839 Some of these guys know better, but a lot of them are just like on their own volition, like doing what they think is best. 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:04.839 It's like, well, everyone's scamming in a way they don't think that necessarily not all of them. 00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.839 Some people just think like, well, I'm just doing me like I got to get mine. 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:11.839 Like everyone's got to get theirs. That's how some people grew up. Everyone grows up very differently. 00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:15.839 That's a foreign concept to me. But I was I'm grateful to live the way I grew up. 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:19.839 And it's just that's very foreign. Some people that's very common. That's just the way of life. 00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:23.839 So I think that's the other part of it, too, is, you know, they're trying to scam you. 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.839 Yes, they are. Everyone's trying to scam you because that's the system we're in. 00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:32.839 That's that's fiat. That's political currency. Corrupt government currencies are by very nature. 00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:38.839 The entire system is then designed to eventually collapse or implode in on itself because of scamming. 00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:45.839 I think that hearing that it's like the thing that comes to mind is this idea that everyone like you talk to talk to just random MPCs. 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:49.839 They're like Bitcoin is the fake economy. Like all that is fake. 00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:53.839 You guys can't even use Bitcoin. You can't sell it. It's all fake. The real economy. 00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:58.839 The real is like the real rubber hits the road economy. That's U.S. dollars. 00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:05.839 Like that's the government backed like stuff. You're like, yo, it's literally fiat. 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:13.839 The definition of fiat is by decree. It's somebody just saying something like that is what fiat is. 00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:21.839 It's literally a scam. Definitionally not real. The legacy economy is literally not real. 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:25.839 Like by definition, it's like by decree. The whole thing is a scam. 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:30.839 Like it's mind boggling that people don't connect those dots. They're just like, no, the real economy. 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.839 This is it's like, no, you've completely inverted reality. 00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:41.839 Like all of reality that's predicated on a financial system is just inverted. Completely ridiculous. 00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:49.839 It's what's really interesting about that, actually, that I'm thinking about the the why is culture so susceptible to being scammed? 00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.839 I honestly think it's technology. 00:33:52.839 --> 00:34:04.839 And what I mean by this is the first government to take taxes immediately out of your paycheck without you as the taxpayer seeing it was the U.S. 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.840 Government in nineteen forty three for the current tax payment act. 00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:15.840 And it was to fund World War Two, essentially, and like keep steady revenue in the government so they could fund this war effort. 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:20.840 And it used to be, you know, like a pay as you go type thing. 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.840 And you would go and like pay your taxes individually. 00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:41.840 And so that first bit of technology, essentially, which was a shared ledger where companies would share their ledgers with the government of like what they're paying type thing and then like making those deductions and pulling it out like. 00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:46.840 That wasn't really possible in like Roman times, right? 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:52.840 Like they didn't you know, the accounting was probably your dude, you know, named Caesar, who just had it all in his head. 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:54.840 And he would probably keep in a ledger and keep in the book. 00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:58.840 But like there's one ledger that everybody's going off of. 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:07.840 And then like as we started to get like mimeographs and then different types of copy machines and ways to kind of like distribute some of this information on paper. 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:18.840 It started to allow for these types of slow encroachments to where people who knew they were running a Ponzi, the U.S. dollar fiat. 00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:22.840 We're just constantly trying to like how much further can I push this? 00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:24.840 Like how much further can I push? How much can they tolerate? 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:33.840 And I think that it goes to what you were saying at the top of this, Brandon, which is what they've learned and what they realized is they don't need to push it to 100 percent. 00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:34.840 They just need three. 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:41.840 If they can get three percent of influential people to sign on, they can get 100 percent. 00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:45.840 That's where I have. 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:51.840 I have a problem with the arguments when people and just even a lot of conspiracy stuff in general. 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.840 Like it's because it's because again, that's that's a term that comes from the top. 00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:55.840 It comes from these people. 00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:57.840 And there's a lot of these. 00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:59.840 There's a lot of smart people that know exactly what they're doing. 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:06.840 We're talking like centuries of family, you know, relics, family behavior passed down from a lot of the banking families. 00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:08.840 I mean, you go back to what it is. 00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:09.840 They know what they're doing. 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:19.840 You take like Howard Dean, for example, you know, here in America, for anyone, you know, politically here in America, you know, the guy that was like, yeah, and then like sunk his campaign 20 years ago doing that, which is hilarious now. 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:21.840 And like to see what Trump does on a daily basis. 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:25.840 And this guy like sunk his campaign with like a yell into a microphone. 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:26.840 It's wild. 00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:28.840 But I remember a video of him around that time. 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:29.840 It was probably in the 2000s. 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:37.840 And he said, you know, that we we basically have to oscillate back and forth between capitalism and communism in paraphrasing. 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:41.840 And he was on a TV show, like on an interview saying that that thing. 00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:43.840 And he was in his territory, you know, kind of given his thing. 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:48.840 But he was, in essence, to what your point is, like, you can't you can't squeeze them too much. 00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:50.840 And it's kind of goes back to this taxes revenue obsolete thing. 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:52.840 You can't squeeze people too much because then they rebel. 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:58.840 And if you give them too much power and you would take away all their taxes, then they're going to they're going to be free and they're going to be powerful. 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:00.840 And then, like, I won't be able to control them. 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:09.840 That that's it just is, you know, like the fact that someone's going to sit here and, like, try to argue that with me or with one of us, like, well, that's not how it's like. 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:11.840 Then you again, you need to go back and study history. 00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:12.840 You need to go back and study empires. 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:14.840 You need to go back and study the Bible. 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:18.840 History is littered since the dawn of time, since Cain killed Abel. 00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:21.840 Like, it's about power and control and good versus evil spirits. 00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:23.840 And that's where the scams start. 00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:28.840 And if we don't understand these core fundamental concepts, then we're going to have a hard time. 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:33.840 Like, you know, what's the South Park pizza when you're supposed to French fry or French fries with the pizza? 00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:36.840 You're going to you're going to have a bad time, like you're going to destroy yourself. 00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:37.840 And that's where society finds itself. 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:41.840 We keep we keep going on this road of like, we're just going to ignore truth. 00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:44.840 And I ran quote of we can ignore reality. 00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:45.840 You can't ignore the consequences of reality. 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:48.840 I mean, keep saying there's three thousand genders. 00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:49.840 We can keep saying these things. 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.840 But in reality, life's not going to play out like that. 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.840 And it even goes back to like, again, it's just life optimally running. 00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:58.840 But, you know, people want their cake and eat it, too. 00:37:58.840 --> 00:37:59.840 And we all do. 00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:02.840 I mean, we're human, but it's like we want to just we want to be our own gods. 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:03.840 We want to be God. 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:05.840 I wanted the way I want it when I want it. 00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:06.840 We all deal with this. 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:11.840 And now we've just got to a point where society, most people in society just act like that publicly everywhere all the time. 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:15.840 And there's no accountability, no responsibility, no very few morals. 00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:16.840 And here we are. 00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:19.840 Society is imploding on itself. 00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.840 And the good thing is, again, we have the answer. 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:24.840 The answer is here and it will correct itself at some point. 00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:28.840 And the system, again, is designed to implode. 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:34.840 I mean, the system is designed to suck everything from you, extract all the wealth and scam you and then reset in the way they want it to make. 00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:36.840 This is where they go back like the 2030 agenda. 00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:39.840 Right. And which is like Agenda 21 before this. 00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:41.840 And then it was like, I forget whatever you an agenda. 00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:45.840 There's been one for decades, decades and decades, decades of these different agendas. 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:46.840 They rename them. They reshape them. 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:48.840 They try to, you know, update with technology. 00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:52.840 And it's just it's a scam system designed to control the 99 percent. 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:57.840 And the 99 percent are waking up, fortunately, because of mediums like this and different places where you can get out and actually talk to people. 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:02.840 And that's why it's quickly starting to unravel for the people at the top. 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:08.840 And I think that is a perfect segue into how it gets better, better by Bitcoin. 00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:11.840 Why, Anton? Why is it getting better? 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:18.840 Oh, you're muted. Sorry. 00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:24.840 A lot of parrots flying over my head and helicopters. 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:35.840 We can take it for granted that we realize that people are fallen and sinful and that the system is just made to scam us. 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:41.840 I hear a lot of people talking and I believe in having a vision. 00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:47.840 I believe that you can sort of manifest your own destiny by believing hard in something. 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:52.840 But what a lot of people believe is that the universe is just going to bring wealth to them. 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:56.840 And so they will gamble on alt coins. 00:39:56.840 --> 00:40:07.840 And, you know, if that alt coin goes up by a thousand percent in a day and they can take their profit out and get it out real quickly, then the universe just bestowed this gift upon them. 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:17.840 But what they don't realize is doing that and interacting with these systems that are designed to scam people are bad for your soul. 00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:35.840 And so one way that your life is made better by Bitcoin is that Bitcoin, because it is the only thing that is not a scam, is just math and it is just code and it's decentralized and it just runs on its own. 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:47.840 It's essentially a pure digital money is that it allows you to not participate in these things that are degenerate scams that are bad for your soul. 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:54.840 And it has a purifying effect on yourself because you're just not participating in these degenerate things. 00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:56.840 And it's as simple as that. 00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:00.840 Correct. 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:01.840 J.D. 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:20.840 If we can get three percent of people to understand that. 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:24.840 Your time matters. 00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:27.840 Then we can win. 00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:28.840 That's that's. 00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:30.840 That's the thing. 00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:49.840 If we can get three percent of people to get a full understanding that you're trading whatever it is for time, whether you're trading your, you know, your your time with family, whether you're trading your time with friends, whether you're doing whatever, like every trade in life is always something for time. 00:41:50.840 --> 00:42:08.840 And because that is true, the greatest understanding is to be we have devised money as humans to store that trade for a future date, because if I were to make that trade of, hey, I spent this time making these apples. 00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:10.840 So I'm going to trade you apples. 00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:14.840 You know, the problem is those apples aren't going to last forever. 00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:15.840 They're going to last for a long time. 00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:16.840 And maybe I don't want apples right now. 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:18.840 And so. 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:30.840 This gets better because three percent is a much easier hurdle than 97 percent or 50 percent or 25 percent. 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:34.840 And so this gets better because this is a winnable war in my mind. 00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:39.840 Bitcoin becoming the global monetary asset is a winnable war. 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:42.840 And that time is currently coming. 00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:43.840 We're seeing BlackRock get involved. 00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:54.840 We're seeing, you know, JP Morgan get involved because of their investments in BlackRock and all these other things like everybody can or Fitzgerald is running on with SoftBank now with this new 21 thing that Jack Mollers is doing. 00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:57.840 The tides are turning and. 00:42:58.840 --> 00:42:59.840 I have a. 00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:12.840 Belief that the three percent we need to convince isn't the MPC culture, it's people at the top and those people are now paying attention and those are the people that are going to change the tides for everyone. 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:13.840 So this gets better because. 00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:20.840 The FOMO wheel that was started at the bottom was started by the plebs, but has now. 00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:32.840 Incepted this group of people that understand the posse, the Ponzi, understand the Keynesian Ponzi, they're now realizing that they're getting left behind and they want to catch up as fast as possible. 00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:39.840 And so I think that three percent threshold is absolutely going to happen within the next decade, if not 20 years. 00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:43.840 And at that point, time becomes valuable again. 00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:45.840 And then, you know, that's basically that. 00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:48.840 Ideological reset for humanity, which is cool. 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.840 And it's important to, like, combine Anton's point in your point. 00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:59.840 When the call of the one percent, the people who are literally the most. 00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:15.840 Smartest or most accomplished people in the legacy system, when they have to, quote unquote, when they have to interact with Bitcoin, that is a limitation on their time. 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:21.840 They're no longer interacting with a scam that they've predicated the rest of their careers and lives and education and the rest of it on. 00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:25.840 Right. Their souls are healing. 00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:28.840 And then you can kind of take that even a little bit further. 00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:29.840 It's like, well, wait a second. 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:34.840 What if a couple of them and it's only, you know, a percent of a percent. 00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:37.840 Like, really start to. 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:41.840 Understand, I think, say, we start to see this in sailor a little bit. 00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:46.840 He's really starting to understand the ethics of, oh, wait a second. 00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:47.840 Oh, wait a second. 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:48.840 Like the fact that a. 00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:52.840 One of his billionaire friends parks all of his money in houses. 00:44:53.840 --> 00:45:04.840 Well, that's unethical because that's preventing somebody else who has a family that wants a house from being able to afford the house because he's just using it to park money, bids, prices, et cetera. 00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:10.840 It's not there's no utility there apart from just the parking money and still is connecting those dots now. 00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:12.840 Wait a second. 00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:16.840 That'll apply to everybody who starts to go down the Bitcoin rabbit hole at the highest levels. 00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:19.840 And that permeates through society. 00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:24.840 We're talking about a rebirth of an ethical civilization. 00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:27.840 Do you want to talk about it getting better? 00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:28.840 Like, come on. 00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:30.840 I just did the math really quickly with. 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:33.840 I mean, Grok, because I am Grok, essentially. 00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:35.840 But the. 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.840 Amount of people we need to convince if we were to just convince three percent of the world is two hundred and forty six million. 00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:51.840 And so what that means is the only thing I've actually believe is for a minute, but the only thing we need to do is swing the US. 00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:58.840 If we can swing the US into a Bitcoin economy, which is why I'm so bullish on what Trump is doing, it's over. 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:03.840 It's over because at that point in time, you have a three percent block at three hundred and thirty million people. 00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:04.840 That's over the three percent threshold. 00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:13.840 But if you have a block of two hundred and forty six million people that are telling everybody else this is the money, it is now the de facto money. 00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:20.840 And I currently think we have that with the way that the executive order was written, like the US dollars already backed by Bitcoin. 00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:21.840 People just don't know it yet. 00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:26.840 Brandon, how's it get better? 00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:29.840 Yeah, I know these are excellent, excellent points. 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:41.840 And just extrapolating on a little bit what you guys are saying, the people at the bottom, you know, unfortunately, aren't generally going to get it because this isn't designed to scam them. 00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:42.840 Right. They're on the hamster wheel. 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.840 There are so many hamster wheels, not even one hamster wheel. 00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:48.840 They're on multiple hamster wheels and they don't even have time to get it. 00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:50.840 So it's converting the king. 00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:52.840 And you have to get the horse in the gates. 00:46:53.840 --> 00:47:02.840 So, like you guys said, you have to convince, persuade, educate, show those leaders at the top that it's it's in their best interest to do this. 00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:03.840 And for whatever reason, that is. 00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:07.840 And and that's how you get the Trojan horse in the gates at the end of the day. 00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:08.840 You got to get in somehow. 00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:15.840 And and then, you know, then then you open up other issues, you know, and then Bitcoin itself, it aligns consumers and producers. 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:18.840 It aligns people to be on the same side of the table. 00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:28.840 And that's that's literally how it it it incentivizes a better system and how it actually helps the system instead of people being on opposite sides of the table. 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:35.840 So everyone is, you know, I would liken it to the like like Apple or everyone knows iPhones, you know, whatever across the world, basically. 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:46.840 So if you said, hey, if Apple would have been selling their their iPhone for a Bitcoin at, you know, in 2010 or we'll say we'll say 2012 or 2013 or something like that. 00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:49.840 And then just say they got a thousand Bitcoin for every phone they would have sold. 00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:53.840 And you start to very quickly realize, like, well, would that be worth today? 00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:55.840 It would be so much beyond what they have now. 00:47:55.840 --> 00:48:06.840 And and you can start to see that very easily as that as this happens more and more and more people are doing this, then you start not then you're not scamming your your consumer on. 00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:08.840 Hey, my battery is isn't as good as it should be. 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:12.840 Or, hey, this thing, you know, these parts are made of cheaper parts or whatever it is. 00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.840 And now you can spend more on R&D, you can spend more on taking care of the customer. 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:21.840 You can do more because you're increasingly because you're providing value, you can produce more value even more over time. 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.840 And that's that extrapolates out. 00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:25.840 It's not just Apple. 00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:26.840 It's it's the family. 00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:27.840 It's the country. 00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:33.840 Like all these things will start happening and it starts aligning people to be on the same side of the table instead of scamming each other, which is what Fiat does. 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:37.840 All the expenses getting more or higher and higher and higher and running away from you. 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:41.840 Now everything is getting cheaper in cost and you can start using your genius. 00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:45.840 You can people because you think about how many humans aren't aren't in their genius zone. 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:52.840 I mean, like you think of all these statistics you've seen over time of like 80 percent of people or whatever, 85 percent of people are slacking off at work all day long. 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:54.840 They're on Facebook or all these different things. 00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:55.840 Right. Well, why is that? 00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:56.840 Because they're not in the right place. 00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:57.840 They're not in their genius zone. 00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:58.840 They're not doing what they love to do. 00:48:58.840 --> 00:48:59.840 They're not doing their calling. 00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:00.840 They're not. 00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:01.840 You know, what is God calling them to do? 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:02.840 They're not doing their passion. 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:07.840 That that to me is is one of the biggest crimes that Fiat has perpetrated on us. 00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:11.840 And I know a hundred years from now that we're going to look back and that is a modern dark age. 00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:15.840 And you guys had it was masked by some of these technological advancements. 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:22.840 But it was you know, we could have had so much more at this point because people are in these positions are not supposed to be in. 00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:33.840 You think of all the lost productivity and all the loss we've actually had that's been masked by whatever it is, computers, you know, the growth of certain technology sectors that have made it seem like, wow, we really have a lot. 00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:34.840 And we do not saying that we don't. 00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:36.840 But just think of how much more we could have a people. 00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:38.840 All those 85 percent of workers. 00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:39.840 What is that? 00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:46.840 You know, 50 million, 100 million people in the country were where they should be instead of, well, I got to just get a job, I guess I got to go do something I don't want to do. 00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.840 So that that to me is is really the crime. 00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:56.840 And that's what's going to start reasserting itself is that confidence in society because of the money. 00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:59.840 But at the same time, then it opens up and then I'll leave this for you guys. 00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:01.840 I don't know if we want to go this route or not. 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:03.840 But, you know, the paper paper Bitcoin. 00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:07.840 Right. So it's like, OK, well, how do we how does this system not just start recreating itself again? 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:09.840 So that's that's the thing we have to be diligent about. 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:13.840 I think it does reeducate people and incentivize people not to do stuff like that over. 00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:18.840 You know, we might have some more FTX as Coinbase might blow up or whoever these people, certain people might blow up. 00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:23.840 Governments will blow up. But then eventually at some point, I think this is where people start to learn. 00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:26.840 You don't change Bitcoin. Bitcoin changes you because Bitcoin is unchanging. 00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:29.840 You're going to have to acquiesce to that, that asset. 00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:33.840 And then that's where people eventually start realizing, you know, I can't play these these funny games anymore. 00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:38.840 And it starts to change society. So. 00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:43.840 There's there's been a thing happening in the film industry, which is what I work in, 00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:50.840 where the film industry is essentially leaving Los Angeles and everybody's trying to figure out why is the film industry leaving Los Angeles? 00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.840 And again, they're coming to the wrong conclusions about everything. 00:50:53.840 --> 00:51:00.840 But one of the big reasons is that expenses are just too high in California and in Los Angeles. 00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:05.840 I mean, somebody brought up the fact that they have to run generators and gas costs five dollars a gallon here, 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:11.840 whereas it costs two dollars and eighty cents a gallon in other places in America. 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:21.840 So the analogy that I'm trying to make with Bitcoin is that it's the way that Bitcoin works is different in different parts of the country, 00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:26.840 in different parts of the world because of what it requires to live in those different places. 00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:34.840 And going off of what J.D. was saying, that America will most likely be the hub of Bitcoin adoption and Bitcoin innovation. 00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:38.840 We have the world reserve currency, but there are other places in the world. 00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:47.840 Let's say that you're in Costa Rica and you can go and cut coconuts down from a tree and sell them on the side of the road and take lightning payments for the coconuts. 00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:50.840 You don't have a whole lot of expense to run that business. 00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:58.840 Whereas I've thought about opening up a little coffee shop trailer and rolling it out to the beach in Ventura and selling cups of coffee. 00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:04.840 But I have the expense of the trailer, of the taxes that I'm going to have to pay, of buying the product. 00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:08.840 Like it almost makes more sense at this point to take dollars. 00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:14.840 Whereas for me, for Bitcoin, at the moment, it works better as a savings vehicle. 00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:22.840 If I don't pay my taxes for a year and don't pay any estimated taxes, save a portion of my income in Bitcoin, 00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.840 the chances are that Bitcoin is going to increase over that time period and then I'll be able to pay the taxes. 00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:31.840 So it has a little bit of a different function for me. 00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:34.840 Point being, it's good for everybody. 00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:40.840 But the way that Bitcoin is going to become more common across the world and across the country is going to be different region to region. 00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:45.840 I mean, it's all just great. It's all just great for Bitcoin. 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:48.840 Go ahead, JD. 00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:51.840 I was just going to piggyback on that. 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:58.840 As it goes region to region and as it spreads, I think the other thing that's going to spread is a deflationary understanding. 00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:07.840 And what I mean by that is that coffee trailer that you have, in order for you to want to get more Bitcoin, 00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:10.840 you're going to have to have better coffee, you're going to have better offerings, you're going to have whatever. 00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:14.840 And that's going to be your mindset. Your mind says, how do I serve my customers better if I want more? 00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:18.840 Or get into the mindset of like, OK, cool. 00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:27.840 Well, this week, you know, it's actually we're going to cross off like maybe last week it was 5000 sats for a coffee, you know, five dollars. 00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.840 Maybe this week it's 500 just crossing off zeros. Right. 00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:33.840 So you have these menus where people are like scratching zeros in. 00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:41.840 Like we're going to get to a place and to a time when scratching off zeros is going to be a really common thing to do. 00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:48.840 And that's actually a good thing, because it's going to change people's perspective and make them start thinking generationally. 00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:56.840 Because it's like if I'm thinking about my Starbucks coffee today, that cost me six dollars. 00:53:56.840 --> 00:54:01.840 In the future, it's going to end up costing me 30, you know, 13 million dollars. 00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:09.840 It's 13 million dollars per Bitcoin. I'm thinking about that differently because what I'm thinking about now is I got to spend this money instantaneously. 00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:15.840 I got to spend it now. Whereas in that deflationary environment, you're thinking about, hmm, I don't want to spend that. 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:21.840 And I also want to figure out how I help other people like spend more with me because your business like there's a capitalistic mindset. 00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:29.840 But in order to get them to do that, you have to add more. It needs to be something more incremental than just this, you know, planned obsolescence schedule. 00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:34.840 You need to be really giving an offering. And so I think that's going to be a cool thing for society in general. 00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:43.840 So one of the things that defines like a fourth turning, which is the idea like civilization kind of goes through these turnings, 00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:51.840 which are highs and lows and good things happening. And then the people inherit the good things, don't know how to manage them correctly. 00:54:51.840 --> 00:55:01.840 So they start to deteriorate. And then once things collapse, people rebuild the systems and things are good again. Right. 00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:09.840 So one of the things that defines a fourth turning is the idea that everything starts to just collapse and fall apart. 00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:18.840 This is when you see wars and catastrophes and financial collapse and pandemics. We've basically been in a fourth turning since I'm convinced since 9-11. 00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:26.840 That's not the consensus view, but that I think that's it. Now, what are the things that are that are strong about a first turning? 00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:32.840 Well, it's like strong institutions, social cohesion, like all these all these like hope. Right. 00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:42.840 And. You look online, you talk to people, people, it's a very popular thing today to say, we're in a fourth turning, it's going to be terrible, 00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:48.840 we're going to be in this fourth turning for a long time going forward. But then you like you start to hear a conversation like this. 00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:54.840 And you're like. Strong institutions, that's that's one thing that defines the first turning. 00:55:54.840 --> 00:56:02.840 Well, we certainly lost all our institutions, but like what are the there's no hope for any strong institutions. 00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:06.840 And it's like, no, no, no. Listen, listen to the listen to what people are saying. 00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:12.840 Bitcoin is savings. Bitcoin is a way to think into the future. Bitcoin is like, wait a second. 00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:20.840 The institution that we've lost over the last fourth turning and really over the last century is our propensity and ability to save money. 00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:28.840 That is not an institution at all in America in any way. But Bitcoin restores that as an institution. 00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:32.840 It says, no, no, no. This is the institution of savings. 00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:36.840 And because it's an institution of savings, people can start building on top of it. 00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:39.840 It's an institution, a pillar of civilization. Right. 00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:44.840 These are the things that you can build on top of. And that's when you get into. 00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:51.840 Wait a second. Are we like you go down the rabbit hole? Can Bitcoin be hacked? Can anybody do anything about this? 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:55.840 How can we change? How can we destroy it? Like nothing can stop Bitcoin. 00:56:55.840 --> 00:57:02.840 And then you start to think, well, maybe Bitcoin is this institution that defines the first turning. 00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:08.840 And you're like, wait a second. That really opens up a lot of pathways about how to even process or think about the world. 00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:15.840 Right. We are we have the ability to save money now for the first time in decades. 00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:22.840 We're in a first turning. It's and it's going to be awesome. It's just going to get better and better. 00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:32.840 One quick thing on that is. And I've talked a bit, but the institution that's going to become the most valuable in the Bitcoin future is the family. 00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:37.840 And that will change. Yeah, I love it. Yeah. 00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:45.840 Yeah, we're just very early. The four of us are very early. 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:53.840 Yeah. Imagine that for me, I go to this burrito place in my neighborhood and I'm so used to going. 00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:58.840 And, oh, it was eleven dollars yesterday. It's twelve dollars today. 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:04.840 And then they'll be like eggs are super expensive. So we added seventy five cents on eggs. 00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:10.840 Imagine if instead if I wait and I say, you know what, I'm not going to have a burrito today. 00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:15.840 And then I go tomorrow and the burrito is cheaper. The burrito is cheaper because of it. 00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:21.840 Because Bitcoin has gone up in value. That is something that we have not experienced in our lifetimes. 00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:27.840 And it's going to become the norm on a Bitcoin standard in the future. Pretty cool. 00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:36.840 Yeah, it's it's also like you guys have been saying, understanding deflation. 00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:42.840 And again, it's a fish. No, he's wet. If he's in if he's living in the water his whole life, it's a hard concept. 00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:47.840 And everyone has a really hard time thinking like, what would I do? I just had this conversation, you know, a few months ago for Christmas. 00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:53.840 A couple of family members, they were just really, really hell bent on, you know, again, inflation being part of capitalism. 00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:56.840 They couldn't understand that. And also just deflation will drive the economy into the ground. 00:58:56.840 --> 00:58:59.840 They just could not understand that. It's like, well, we need you need inflation. 00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:02.840 That way, like people will actually like invest in things and do stuff. 00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:09.840 And at the end of the day, it is it's tough because like theoretically, I see, you know, velocity of money or I should say velocity of currency. 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:13.840 You need velocity of currency because the currency is current. So you have to have velocity. 00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:20.840 Money doesn't need that. But in saying that, do people not think we're going to be incentivized to do anything? 00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:25.840 Like you're just going to sit there and just like I'm going to sit in a shack like a hole in the ground, just sit there with my Bitcoin. 00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:30.840 That's the thing where like there's a just there's a there's a blatant lack of human faith in humanity. 00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:32.840 And like people just have they don't have faith. 00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:37.840 There's very little hope and there's very little faith in thinking like humans are just going to not figure anything out. 00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:40.840 We're just never going to do anything. And again, that's something we all deal with. 00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:43.840 Like, you know, we all look you all look around like, you know, what are these people doing? 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:47.840 Like, how come they're not doing this over there? It's like humans are path of least resistance. 00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:50.840 We're not, you know, we are in the garden of Eden. 00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:52.840 We had it all made and then we made a bad decision and then we got kicked out. 00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:55.840 And he's like, you're not to work. And God's like, you're not to work the rest of your life now. 00:59:55.840 --> 01:00:01.840 So, like, figure it out. And so, like, we're already we're used to like having having it all. 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:05.840 And and so we're path of least resistance, but we're God's highest form of creation. 01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:09.840 So we have all this in us, but so much of it has been beaten down over centuries. 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:13.840 And I just like the resourcefulness and just everything has just been like kind of just beaten out of us. 01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:17.840 And the will's been broken in a way. And it's coming back. I mean, clearly it's coming back. 01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:24.840 We're seeing it all over the. And I think the greatest, most hopeful thing for me is like five years ago or five years ago, 01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:29.840 I found Bitcoin Twitter like in 2021, maybe 2022. I didn't know anyone existed like like me. 01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:34.840 Like, I just thought like, oh, like, you know, there's a few people in my life that I know they're similar or whatever it is. 01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:38.840 But I didn't know there was such big groups of people that thought like I did. 01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:44.840 And these base foundational truths and thermodynamic thinking and first principles and, you know, all these, you know, 01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:47.840 praxeology and like going in all these things. I was just like, dude, I'm just weird. 01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:53.840 And you get along with everybody, but you weren't best friends with anyone because you weren't no one really talk that talk. 01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:57.840 So you're just kind of like, all right, you just kind of felt lost in the world for a long time. 01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:03.840 And then you stumble upon Bitcoin or something like, holy cow, like there's there's a million of these people that that think like this all around the world. 01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:06.840 Like what what is happening? And so that was really eye opening for me. 01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:11.840 But because of that, because of the mouthpiece we have on social media, that's one of my bets on Bitcoin. 01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:15.840 And I tell people all the time, like there's probably 10 or 12 big reasons why I'm in Bitcoin. 01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:17.840 One of the big reasons is the social layer. 01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:20.840 Like there's just a bunch of loud mouth, you know, autistic kids like yelling about stuff. 01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:24.840 And they're not going to they're not going to stop until what they get at 3 percent. 01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:28.840 They pull everyone across the finish line. And that doesn't seem like a like, well, what up? 01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:31.840 Tell me about the network. Like, yeah, it's not about 21 million or whatever. 01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:35.840 It's just these people are so hell bent and have the truth on their side. 01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:38.840 They will do anything. They will lay down their life. They'll die on that hill. 01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:42.840 Well, I'm going to put my money with those guys like that's that's what's going to win at the end of the day. 01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:45.840 So, you know, it's it's understanding deflation and understanding that. 01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:49.840 You're coming back to that. You don't you don't have to be working 24 seven. 01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:55.840 That's a lie in and of itself. This hustle grind culture, all this stuff is is a fiat construct. 01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:58.840 I don't like word the word using the word construct necessarily. 01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:05.840 But it's it's it's this world we've built around, you know, this the fiat lifestyle, because in a way you have to. 01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:09.840 Right. The system is designed to scam you. So you have to be on the hamster wheel constantly. 01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:13.840 And those who aren't on the hamster wheel longer than someone else, you start losing. 01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:22.840 So you start, you know, and then you like you guys said, the family has been completely dissolved almost over the last 50 years because of the bastardized money turned into currency that we now have. 01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:25.840 So now you're on the hamster wheel. Now, mom's on the hamster wheel and dad. 01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:28.840 Now, mom and dad are on the hamster wheel and they use all their savings. 01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:31.840 Now, then a decade later, mom and dad are on the hamster wheel. You've used all their savings. 01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:34.840 Now you're out on credit card debt. So, like, it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. 01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:37.840 And then what happens in all that? Now you have more divorces. 01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:41.840 Now you have the kids are living in daycare. They're living with their grandparents. 01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:46.840 They're being taught by people that, let's be honest, don't care from as much as the parents will. 01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:50.840 That will always be the case in humanity. The parents will never care more than anyone else. 01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:58.840 And that's that's like you guys point until we start flipping that iceberg onto his head and rebuilding that family structure. 01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:03.840 Bitcoin is the only way all of us have found to flip that whole dynamic of society and re-incentivize. 01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:10.840 The last thing I'll say is like George Gammon always fights his fight of, you know, we talked about the Jeff Booth for hours where he's like, we agree on the same thing. 01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:14.840 We just like it's just like eventually I just think it goes right back to this, like the next fourth turning. 01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:17.840 Like you guys said, the next fourth turning, like everyone just forgets. 01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:21.840 And his whole thing is education. It's like, George, you can't out-propagandize the state. 01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:33.840 I don't know if Bitcoin will work necessarily, but it's the only thing I found in 20 plus 25 years of studying politics, money, history, all these things and business investing that gives us at least a shot at turning the iceberg over. 01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:37.840 Because just trying to sit here and be like, hey, I'm going to start another rebel capitalist channel. 01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:44.840 That's not going to do anything because you have unlimited currency printer over here, unlimited people on hamster wheels funding the state. 01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:47.840 How are you going to out-propagandize that, George? You can't. It's inevitable. 01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:54.840 They will. They will. You're swimming up river and you will die eventually trying to do your noble work that it doesn't work that way. 01:03:54.840 --> 01:04:02.840 So, you know, take your chip off the table, sit on the side, watch your enemies float on the river instead, and then sit there and be ready to rebuild society when people are ready. 01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:04.840 End of rant. 01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:15.840 I love all that. One thing that sticks out to me is the idea that inflation is good, that all the people out there are like, no, no, no, inflation is good. 01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:22.840 If we don't have inflation, no one's going to invest, no one's going to talk, no one's going to make companies or whatever. 01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:30.840 And it's like, no, no, no. And therefore, if we have deflation, there's not like, what are we going to do? 01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:34.840 You're just going to sit on your money all day? Like, yeah, we're all just going to go. 01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:35.840 I don't need food anymore. 01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:46.840 Yeah. And it's like, no, listen to yourself. You literally need to spend money to survive, to live, to eat, to have a shelter, to have clothing. 01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:58.840 You need to spend money for these things. There's always a bid on spending money, period, because you can't live in this at all without doing that in a modern economy. 01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:04.840 Consequently, the only thing that actually makes sense is to not push on that further. 01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:10.840 It's to dial it back down, which is to say, have a deflationary currency, not an inflationary one. 01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:24.840 Yeah, it goes back to, and I'll just say something really quick, and again, Jeff Booth has been touching on this a little bit more of last year or so, but it's like, you can't have an inflationary currency in a deflationary world. 01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:27.840 Those two things are incompatible, and it's these systems we're talking about. 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:38.840 It's a while because that system at the top, it's running things, it's Agenda 21, or it was Agenda 2021, but now it's Agenda 2030, all this stuff. 01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:43.840 They're telling you, we've got to do these things, we've got to do this for the environment, we've got to do this and that. 01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:50.840 It's like, but your endless printing of currency doesn't allow the world or the earth to heal like you say you want it to. 01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:56.840 These things are incompatible, and that, to me, is the biggest unlock for, I think, a lot of societies. 01:05:56.840 --> 01:06:03.840 I think a lot of societies in that cross-section or in that intersection somewhere are like, wait, but they've been telling me global warming, and they've been telling me all these things. 01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:11.840 But wait, the Bitcoin helps do that, but then wait, inflation and printing currency and life running away from us and just constantly more and more and more. 01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:13.840 What's the next 90-day earning call going to say? 01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:15.840 Just constantly beating everyone into the ground. 01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:16.840 Those things are incompatible. 01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:20.840 They're completely incompatible, and that's the thing I think people are really starting to wake up to. 01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:23.840 All right, guys. 01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:29.840 Anton, JD, do you guys have any last thoughts before we close it out for today? 01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:33.840 Just that I concur, and I'm glad to know you guys. 01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:35.840 Same. 01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:36.840 Same. 01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:37.840 Yeah. 01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:38.840 Don't get scammed. 01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:40.840 Be careful out there. 01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:43.840 Bitcoin is the only way that this gets better. 01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:46.840 That's right. 01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:47.840 All right. 01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:48.840 This is Better Buy Bitcoin. 01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:49.840 See you guys next time. 01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:59.840 Thanks for tuning in to Better Buy Bitcoin. 01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:01.840 Bitcoin makes everything better. 01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:06.840 Like, subscribe, and follow us on X at BetterBYBTC, YouTube at BetterBYBitcoin. 01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:08.840 Not financial advice. 01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:10.840 Mathematical certainty.