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Welcome to Digication
Scholars Conversations.

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I'm your host, Jeff Yan.

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In this episode, you will hear part one
of my conversation with Dami Akingbade,

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a junior at Boston University's
Questrom School of Business, pursuing

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a degree in Business Administration.

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Welcome to Digication
Scholars Conversations.

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I'm your host, Jeff Yan.

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My guest today is Dami Akingbade,
a junior at Boston University's

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Questrom School of Business.

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She's pursuing a degree in Business
Administration with a concentration

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in Business Analytics and Marketing.

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Welcome Dami.

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Thank you so much, Jeff.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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Dami, you and I met a couple years ago
when you actually participated at a

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presentation with Natalie McKnight, who's
the Dean of the College of General Studies

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at Boston University, and Professor John
Regan, um, both of which, by the way,

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are, um, Pre prior Digication Scholars
Conversations, um, uh, uh, guests as well.

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Right.

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Um, what would make you participated
in giving a presentation on the work

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that you did and the department did,
or the school, the College of General

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Studies did, um, And I was a, I was a,
an attendee of that conference and I saw

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your work and I was just amazed by it.

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Thank you.

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And I always thought I need to go
in and talk to Dami at some point.

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Thank you so much.

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And, uh, a few months ago I
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at yeah, another conference.

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And I said, oh, what happened to dmi?

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And he said, oh, she's doing great.

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And you know, she just finished at
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now she's on to, you know, pursuing
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Um, and so I thought.

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You know, I must really get a hold
of you before, before you graduate.

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Yeah.

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Um, so, um, thank you for,
for, for being here today.

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Yeah, thank you so much for having me.

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So, Dami, why don't you just tell
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Where are you from?

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Where did you grow up?

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What brought you here?

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Okay, so I, my name is
Dami, like you said.

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Thank you for the introduction.

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Um, I grew up in Lagos, Nigeria and I
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to do like a few years of high school.

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And then I started at BU
College of General Studies.

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Um, so yeah, just been there in Nigeria.

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Family is still there.

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Um, it's a huge part of my identity.

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So, so what was it like, um, coming to the
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You said your family is still in Nigeria.

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Oh, I have, I have family here.

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So it was easy to adjust.

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Um, my aunt lives here.

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I have cousins here.

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Some of my siblings were
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Like they went to college here as well.

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So.

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And I'm the youngest out of four, so I I
So you're following the footstep of Yeah.

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I already knew the, I
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Kind of, they kind of
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Exactly.

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Um, so it was kind of easy.

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And was there a, um, any sort
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the difference that you noticed?

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You know, um, yeah, coming to the US I,
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I think one of the things that
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People say things differently, like I
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I call it a boot.

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Um, just like things like little things
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was Americans are very very nice.

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That's not to say that Nigerians aren't
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just, you know, on our own and mind our
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Americans are a lot more friendly and
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you walk past, even if they don't know
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And I was like, wow, like, are
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they really just this nice?

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That was a shock too.

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No, that's, that's great.

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And I think that we'll later learn
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you, not only, you know, being
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different parts of the world as well.

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And it seems to be a theme that,
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will share, um, to you as well, that.

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Um, I also, uh, I'm not a native here.

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I have, uh, uh, I grew up in, uh,
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moved to the UK and then I moved here.

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So, you know, seeing some of these,
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cultural differences sometimes is, you
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sort of interesting sort of perspectives.

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It's true.

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Yeah.

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It, it made me look at
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Seeing how things are so different
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home, how people think about
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was interesting to see as well.

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So, and that's where sometimes
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perspectives and diversity mm-hmm

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Can bring about things
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Yeah.

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You won't know.

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You know, you don't, you don't
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Actually, a lot of these things, I should
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These are things that you know, but
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shows you how they do it differently.

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Right?

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They unlock and they go, Oh, I know
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And, um, and it's, uh, it's, it's, uh, um,
it's almost like, In order to learn about

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yourself, you have to look through it
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It really helps you learn more
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and, like, it helps you be self
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You see how other people view
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approach situations differently
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And yeah, like you said, it unlocks,
like, a different Part of you.

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And so you're able to learn so much
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world works and you're able to work
better with people as well in the end.

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I wanted to, um, if you don't mind, I
wanted to, um, maybe focus a little bit

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now on some of your journey at Boston
university, um, I mean, you, you just.

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Join or, you know, join the,
the, the School of Business.

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Yeah.

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Uh, but for two years, um, you
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For folks who don't know what that
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could be Other students could be
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students thinking about college.

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Could be parents, could be other
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Um, people don't really know what
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In fact, they don't know
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Why that?

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And if you want to be a business major,
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you know, from the get go, why it took
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So why don't you tell us
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Like what, tell us a little bit about,
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way, to BU as well, the way it's worked.

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Uh, but tell us a little bit about that
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Of course.

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Um, so I found out about the college
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It's A question that's asked as you
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for the College of General Studies?

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And so I did my personal research
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And it really is like a
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It's very interdisciplinary.

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There's so many different courses that
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what your intended major is for college.

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So basically everyone who's in the
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actually graduate from the College
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It's a two year program that kind
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interests are and just be able to
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learning about what your major is.

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So I was still taking classes like Econ.

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and accounting and finance, but I had
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History classes, Rhetoric, Humanities,
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able to learn more about the world
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And then of course the best part of
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that prompts most people to apply is
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is nice and it's It's paid for too.

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Um, I think other study abroad programs
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of General Studies, it's paid for.

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It's really integrated into the
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we do while we are in London.

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is very specific to London.

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For other study abroad programs that
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classes that are for your intended
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around the location that you're in.

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So that was something that was really
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It's also nice to have
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Almost everyone in the College of
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it's nice to have that community in
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Yeah, that's what it is.

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I, I, uh, I've always loved,
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know, what's called CGS at BU.

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Um, and, um, I've always learned
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Regan or, or Natalie and, and, and the
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of this school, whom of course they
love it, and because they designed

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it, but it's nice to be able to hear
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in the receiving end of all of this.

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Um, I, I want to maybe for a moment talk
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in the mind of a lot of, um, folks who,
who might either be considering college

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or even in college right now, right?

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And maybe, may not be at BU or at, you
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of this, you know, very well designed
sort of General Studies program.

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But I wanted to talk about sort of
in concept because I think it's going

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to be really, um, Useful for, for
someone who has that experience to, to

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be able to talk about it immediately.

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I've heard a lot of students questioning
the value of a Liberal Arts education.

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Like you said, it's kind of
this Liberal Artsy thing, right?

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Why take an Art History class?

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Why take a Rhetoric class?

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Is it just so that you can
sound like you went to college?

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So you can use big words?

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Or is there something more to it?

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I think a Liberal Arts.

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Um, degree, study, class is really more
so important for you to, like what we

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were saying, have different perspectives.

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I think if you go straight into just
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med and not having those experiences
of learning history, understanding how

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people work, I just feel like having
a Liberal Arts study mindset really

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opens up your mind to a lot of different
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and just a new way of looking at things.

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I think it's also important to be,
it helps you to connect with people.

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Um, you understand how people work.

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It, yeah, you understand how people
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what's the most important part of it
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At the end of the day, we
are all like very social.

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We're social human beings.

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Um, and what's the point of, you know,
having such a, you know, big degree that

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could be considered more important, if
you're not able to connect with people

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and understand the history behind things,
why things work the way they work,

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and being able to have rhetoric, for
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being able to be a good writer, those
things are so important in any space.

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And I agree, you know,
I mean, I'm a big fan.

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I think that it's, it's, um, but I
mean, I, I can also see the perspective

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of why people are questioning, right?

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Because they go, Hey, if I want to just
learn about business, why don't you

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just give me the business course I need,
let me get it, get out like quickly, as

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quick as possible so I can do the work.

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And sometimes I kind of feel like
when I talk to people who have been

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through this, this This, um, you
know, this process of going through

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a Liberal Arts program or sort of a
General Studies, you know, program.

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What certainly one that is
well designed like yours is.

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um, what I sometimes get the feeling and
some people had told me, you know, so

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I'm paraphrasing is that you certainly
could just go in and take those business

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class or pre med class or whatever
your, you know, area of study is, right?

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Engineering, etc.

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You can just take those classes.

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You'll get the technical skills.

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You know, to perform those,
those, those related, um, tasks

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that, that's expected of you.

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Yeah.

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But even in the short time span of that
four years, or two years, three years,

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four years, having that Liberal Arts
sort of foundation actually allows you

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to go further in each of those classes.

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So each of these skills that you develop
comes with almost like a booster because

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you have that Liberal Arts sort of,
you open up your mind to something

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that you go, Oh, hold on a minute.

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It's almost like one of those,
like, once you make sense of

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one thing, that one thing can be
applicable to a lot of other things.

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And these are things that make actually
just the very practical part of

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learning the skills to be, you know,
in marketing and business analytics

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to be, you'll be more effective.

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In other words, if you spend 4 years
just learning marketing and, and,

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and business analytics and, and, and
business administration in general

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versus, actually spending some of that
in, in, in the Liberal Arts areas,

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like in rhetoric, like you said, or in
writing, et cetera, it actually makes

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you stronger, um, as a, as a graduate.

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Yeah.

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I, I, so it's almost like you, you
get your, you, you get it, you get

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your value back quickly enough.

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It's not like it doesn't take
20 years for it to show up.

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It's, it's not, it's not wasted at all.

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I feel like I'm already seeing.

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The impact that it's had on me with
now that I'm focusing on purely

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business classes, for example, the
class I took with Professor Regan my

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first year, even though it's compared
to the typical writing one on one

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class, it's so much more than that.

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It's more than just writing essays we're
really aiming to be persuasive and we also

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do presentations and Professor Regan was
the first person that told me about the

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power of doing a superhero pose before you
do a presentation and the impact that has

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on you and now this year, my third year.

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And I have a class where I
have to give a presentation.

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My professor mentioned the same thing,
but people are learning that in their

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third year, whereas I already knew
these tips and tricks from my first,

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my freshman year, because I had a class
that wasn't just only a writing class.

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It was a writing class with presentation
skills, embedded research skills.

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It like you learn so much more and
I've had so many classes like this.

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That there's a social science class
requirement where we have to learn

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about mercantilism and trade wars.

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And that's, that shows up in Econ.

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and, you know, any other finance
class, for example, it's, it's so

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applicable to so many areas that
you truly see the value just even

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two years after doing the program.

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So, yeah.

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And I think that there is also something
really interesting, especially in

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today's world where, you know, we
get a huge amount of resources.

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That is thrown at us through our
phones and social media apps and, and

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so on that, that, um, the ability to.

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Interact with the world and
with people, like you said, is.

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Tremendously important because
we now have to filter everything.

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Even when, when it's something that was
published by a, let's say, let's say known

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source, we still need to go in and look at
it critically and being able to understand

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it and, and, and, and decipher what,
what it is that they are trying to say.

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Right.

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And so for me, there is.

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A big part of just,

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you know, in some sense, because of that
advance in communication, right, in our

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world, like the digital communication
using social media apps and video, short

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videos, TikToks, et cetera, that, that we
actually need to be even more critical,

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have more skills to deal with all of that.

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Just to be, uh, A productive
everyday person and it didn't matter

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whether you were becoming a doctor
or going into business or becoming

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an engineer or a nurse, right?

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It's almost like you need that today.

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Um, it's, it's become a critical skill.

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It's so important and It's not
as easy to learn it if you go

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straight into those fields.

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You don't, you don't get those soft
skills, the social skills as much if

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you go into those fields straight on.

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Can you tell me a little bit about um,
the So I, I had said before that we

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promised that we're going to talk a
little bit about London because that's

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such a, it's such an amazing, um, program
that, you know, such an amazing part of

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the program that you get to go to London
and it's during the summer, am I right?

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Yeah, it's the summer, summer school.

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And it's for, and how, for how
many weeks that you were there?

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Six weeks.

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Six weeks.

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So I know a little bit about this,
this, this program and I'm going to, um,

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just Contextualize this for, for folks.

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Um, at BU, they have this really
innovative hub, um, concept where there

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are, you know, these different units,
um, that students will, will take.

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And, um, one of these units, um,
uh, And, um, you know, um, is,

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it happens in London, am I right?

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And they, they all address, you know,
um, you know, sort of different things.

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And, um, and, but a really amazing
part of this, and perhaps that's

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because I love London, I used
to live in the UK, like I said.

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Uh, but I also love food.

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And, and I know this is like one
of those like famous, you know,

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Assignments that students get,
um, from, from Professor Regan and

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that, um, is called Food in London.

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Um, and, and it's probably one of
those assignments that everyone

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in the world is just jealous.

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Wait, hold on a minute, you
gotta go to London, eat.

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And get credit for it.

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Come on.

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So tell us a little bit about this and,
um, and we want to hear a little bit

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more about, like, this whole concept
of going there, what it was like,

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you know, and what was asked of you.

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Why is it so good?

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Why is, I mean, aside from the obvious,
like, you got to go eat, um, Like,

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you know, what, what is so effective
about this, this kind of assignment?

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It seems a lot like how, how in the
world is that going to translate

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to a business degree, right?

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Well, it really does translate
because first of all, you learn.

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How to be a social person.

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I think the business world, you
know, you need to be sociable.

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You need to be able to speak to people.

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You need to be persuasive.

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And that's really what
the assignment targets.

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You get to pick any
restaurant of your choice.

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It really requires you to dig deep,
figure out what is important to you,

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what food you want to try, and you
basically just get to be a food critic.

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And we had spent, like, classes beforehand
reading food critic websites and seeing

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how they speak to these things, and we
were really able to tailor it in that way.

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We also did some research to find
statistics about You know, food,

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find some famous food bloggers.

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So it required a lot.

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It required research, but it also
required us to step out of our comfort

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zone and really explore London.

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Professor Regan really emphasized
that he wanted us to leave the

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little bubble that we were in.

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We stayed in, um, South Kensington
and he was like, I would really

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love if you guys would go far
out and really try to explore.

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I mean, it pushes you to try new
things, Step out of your comfort

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zone and then you get to critique it.

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You, you get to give your opinion and it
shapes how you give your opinion as well.

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So, I mean, the assignment was great.

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Almost all the assignments that we
did in London were great as well.

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If you want me to speak about those two.

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Oh, I certainly would.

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But I wanted to learn a little bit
more about, so what did you do?

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What did you choose?

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Where did you go?

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So what was the food like?

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Tell us.

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Of course.

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So, like I said earlier, I grew
up in Nigeria and I've been

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to London quite a few times.

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I've also been to America a few
times growing up as well, but.

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Staying in Boston, I had never
really found like a Nigerian

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restaurant that was able to replicate
home cooking or even elevate it.

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Um, so I knew that I wanted to find a
restaurant in London that represented

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Nigerian culture and Nigerian food.

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And I know that the Nigerian
community is huge there.

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So I had A lot of options to choose from.

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And that's also part of the
project is doing your research,

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figuring out what has high ratings.

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And so I found this restaurant called the
Flygerians, like 'Fly Nigerians.' Um, and.

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I looked them up and they had, I
think like 4.5 stars out of five,

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and they, it just seemed amazing.

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The food seemed great.

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I looked them up on TikTok,
great reviews on there as well.

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Everyone loved the food, so I knew I
had to try it, and so I called one of my

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friends that lived in London to, he hadn't
tried it yet, and so we both went over.

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It was honestly pretty far
out from where I was staying.

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Um, I believe it was in Peckham
and the food was amazing.

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It elevated Nigerian food so much, but
in a way that it was still comforting.

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It didn't take away from
what the real food is.

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Um, it was, it was great.

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Um, The food tasted great.

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The ambience was amazing.

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And that was part of what we had to do for
the project as well was describe, like,

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he said we need to use the five senses.

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He said describe what you're
seeing, describe what you're

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hearing, how it tastes.

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Like, the music that
was playing was amazing.

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The ambience was amazing.

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It was such a, like, cozy restaurant.

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It had couches, colorful couches.

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It really just felt like home, and I
think that was what I was looking for.

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when I was looking for a restaurant was
I wanted somewhere that felt like home

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and really brought those comforting
tastes and like made me feel like I

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was back home in Nigeria and that's
exactly how I felt with still having

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that vibe of I'm in a restaurant and
I'm still eating and you know it was

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a great experience and I love that me
getting to go out and eat was my homework

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and I got to just write about it so

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yeah it's amazing and I love that and I
Like I said, I grew up in Hong Kong, and

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you know, every once in a while, I'll
find places in my travels, you know,

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that That would sell home, have, like,
they would serve, like, certain, certain,

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like, Cantonese cuisines or street food
that you're like, oh, yes, that reminds,

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it brings you all the way back to your
childhood or to certain parts, you

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know, of your life that you might have
forgotten or, you know, had left behind.

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Um, And I think that there is something
about that, that, and I don't know what

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I'm overreaching a little bit, but there's
something about it that helps, you know,

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using the senses to help create that sense
of belonging, a sense of groundedness, a

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sense of, you know, identity and culture.

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And to be honest, I think those are some
of those things that sometimes we talk

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about in the abstract, belonging, for
example, you know, it's one of those

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things that you go, well, you know,
when you know it, when, when, when

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you, when you feel it, but it's hard
to describe those things sometimes.

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And this, this is the type of
things that almost force you.

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It's almost like visually, but
also, you know, like you said,

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by the smell, by the sounds.

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Um, right?

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And certainly there's a lot more nuance
in, I'm sure, the language that was

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spoken, the way that they treated you,
and so on, you know, all sort of things.

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Brings all of that back, right?

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So to me, it's one of those things
that I'm sure, like, and I felt this

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way when I remember when I used to
visit once I moved and visit home

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and quickly you kind of forgot, Oh
yeah, that's just what life is like.

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But actually when you put it like
transplanted into a whole different

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area, when you don't expect it, you
start to see all of the little nuance.

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You really start to value it too.

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Like the very little
things, like there was like.

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Like, African print, Nigerian print on
some of the couches and it was like,

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that was something that I never valued.

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I would see these type of print styles
all over back home and then seeing it

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on a couch, I'm like, wow, like that
was something I never appreciated.

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Or they had some pictures of famous
artists that came from Nigeria as well.

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And I was like, this is, these
are things I not think of.

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I don't think about these
things on a day to day.

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But seeing it was like, wow.

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I think that is, I think
that's, that's beautiful.

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Here's a preview of what's coming up
next in part two of my conversation

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with Dami Akinbadi, a junior at Boston
University's Questrom School of Business.

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How you manage yourself, how you feel
about yourself, how you feel about your

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life, you'll be more satisfied with
life and you'll be More able to self

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accept and have a better psychological
well being when you understand who

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you are as a person, understand
what your weaknesses are, and you're

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able to work towards those as well.