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Unknown: I wrote this story
about William Shatner. I played

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for the weirdest band. Was
called Neil Norman's cosmic

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orchestras put together by
Paramount Pictures. And we

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played all this really eclectic
space 1999 all the theme songs.

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And then we would back up the
actors. So all the actors play

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guitar, saxophone, sync dance,
something we'd back him up, play

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for him. And then Tim Russ, who
played Tuvok on Voyager Star

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Trek, I am Tuvok. I am Tuvok.
Dude, that dude's a killer

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singer and a great guitar
player. And we were, we were his

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band, and we put on this, this
show, and at Star Trek

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conventions. It was really

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cool all the Trekkies. It was
like the cast of Big Bang

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Theory. That was totally,

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this is the rich Redmond show.

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What's up, folks? Rich Redmond
here? Yes, you're in the right

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place, you're in the right
space. We're somewhere in the

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matrix. But usually I have my co
host, co producer, longtime

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friend, Jim McCarthy, joining me
as well. But today's a solo

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show, one on one with my good
pal, Bart Robley joining us from

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Southern California. What's
going on? Man,

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you know what? Man, I knew I was
coming on your show. So I'm

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sitting over here doing my
random accused as I'm going to

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talk to rich Redmond, I got to
be able to play the drums.

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Look at the blob

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over here talking to rich
Redmond, dude. I'm so stoked to

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be on your show. Thank you so so
so much. This is,

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no, this is, this is a great
thing, you know, we, you know

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we, we've been aware of each
other for decades. But finally,

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one of the great reasons to join
the percussive Art Society is

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all the greatest drummers,
percussionists, educators, pros,

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hobbyists that love drum and
percussion. Drums and

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percussion. We go to
Indianapolis, Indiana, Indiana

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once a year, and we converge,
and so we're up at the Sabian

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party, and you and I finally got
the talk in the flesh,

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but a year ago, almost,

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yeah, almost a year ago, and I
gotta give a shout out to our

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mutual friend. JJ, Garcia.
What's up? JJ, dude, everybody

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loves JJ. He I think JJ is the
glue that holds the musical

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universe together. Yeah, that
dude knows everybody you

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know, really does. He's the
ultimate connector, and he's the

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ultimate sweetheart. And, you
know, every couple of weeks I

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get a hits magazine in my in my
mailbox, and always makes me

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think about, JJ, Garcia, what's
up? JJ, yeah,

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he I called him the other day. I
was like, Dude, I need the

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Pope's number. He's like, no
problem. I'll text it over to

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you. He knows everything

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He really does. So we got to
kind of kibbitz a little bit,

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you know, way high up
overlooking, you know,

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Indianapolis. We were just kind
of catching up, and then you had

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me on your show. But you know,
if people have had their head in

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the sand, they don't know who
you are. I don't know,

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understand, hailing from
Littleton, Colorado, been

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calling Southern California home
since 1989 that's about 36 years

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living in the Inland Empire.
There sunny and 70 you don't

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need a WEATHER GIRL. But we like
weather girls because usually

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they're very attractive in
Southern California. Um, but you

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know what? You know how to keep
a gig, my friend, you've been a

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member, the drummer in the SAM
Morrison band for 25 years. I

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mean, you guys do clubs,
casinos, fairs, festivals,

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always working. You do covers,
you do tributes, you do original

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stuff. So we'll get into that.
How you got the gig, how you

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kept the gig. And you know,
you're a full time educator.

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You're always teaching one on
one, one lessons. You know you

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do clinics. We have Sabian
symbols and in common, but also,

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you know you're a several time
author, but this is your latest

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offering. Drum up your business,
a practical blueprint to

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thriving in the music business.
It's step by step, and you can

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see there's an acronym there.
People love these acronyms,

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determination, relationships,
understanding and mentorship. So

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I don't know where to start,
man, but we could start right

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there, if you want. This is your
latest offering.

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I say we start on page eight,
because look at this handsome

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dude right there. Look at that
guy. Oh, thanks for having me in

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there, man. You know what? Thank
you so much. Yeah, when, when I,

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when you and I were talking in
Indianapolis at Andy Zildjian

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party, man, I told you that I
was writing this book and what

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it was about, and when I said,
when I said to, yeah, it's an

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acronym and determination. And
you just simply said, hey, yeah,

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when determination,
determination takes over, when

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everything else fails, I was
like, Oh, that's perfect. Can I

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use it in the book? And you
said, Yeah. And so, yeah, that's

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how, that's how that whole thing
started, yeah.

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Well, what an honor, man. I
mean, now you have other books

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as well. Take us back. I mean, I
think that you've got School of

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Hard Rock. Bucks and you got the
rock and pop and snare drum,

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yep, yep. So it all started this
way. It's I, I've always been,

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like a lot of our drummer
friends, I have an opinion, and

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I want to get it out there, and
I want to get it out there to

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help my fellow drummers and my
fellow musicians, right? I want

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people to learn from what I've
learned. I want people learn

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from my mistakes. They say that,
you know, success is found at

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the at the bottom of a pile of
mistakes, right? Sure, and Lord

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knows I've made them. So I used
to write for a magazine, way

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back in the day. It's like this
little as like a newspaper you'd

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see inside a club when you
walked in a rag. They call it a

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rag. Yeah, exactly. And it was,
it was called music scene

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International, and I did a
double bass column. And it was,

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it was archaic. I found a recent
version. I was like, oh my god,

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I can't believe this is

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horrible. You had a big mane of
hair at the time as well, right?

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Tons

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of hair, tons Well, I did have
the main Well, I did tease it

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out, but I had hair down past my
butt. You know? I had hair nice

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and, yeah, but I did that whole
thing, and it just kind of

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slowly progressed, and I started
writing for classic drummer

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magazine. You remember that one?
Oh, yeah, yeah. So I wrote for

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classic drummer and I would do
little articles. Here's how you

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play this, here's how you play
this. Here's a Soca groove,

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here's a double bass and
whatever. And so I put together,

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yeah, school of hard rocks.
That's the first one. This one

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right

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here. Oh, nice, yeah. And you
sell and you just self publish

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right on Amazon or

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no, this is on so this one is on
center screen publishing, and

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it's distributed by Hal Leonard.
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it. You got to have Hal in the
mix. Same with my book. Yeah,

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look at

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that. And then same thing with
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This one right here. So it's
kind of like a snare drum method

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book, but something tells me,
knowing you, it's kind of like

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fun, and it's rocking totally.

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It's, it's just, it's it. And,
you know what? Here's my thing.

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When I wrote my instructional
books, I didn't try to reinvent

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the wheel, you know. I mean, if
it hasn't been done with stick

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control or syncopation, you
know? I mean, right? So I just

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wanted to get my opinion out
there. Again, I just wanted to

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be one of the voices that people
could turn to in the drumming

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industry and in the music
industry to go, here's how you

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do this. Yes, and so that's why
I wrote the books, and how I

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wrote the books. And, you know,
just trying to help drummers

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out,

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if you're listening to this
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relationships, you address

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understanding, mentorship, fun
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And you know, you've got a lot

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of experience. You're committed
to education and self

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improvement. You've studied with
Greg Bissonette. Ralph Humphrey,

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God, rest his soul. Dave
Lombardo, Rob Heskett, I don't

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know him. You could tell me
about him. Dom formularo, God,

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rest his soul. Robert slack,
what did you get from each of

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these guys? And why would why
did you seek each one of these

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guys

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out? Well, Robert, well, let's
start with Rob Haskett. Rob was

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he owned a music store in
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crescendo music. Oh, this one,
you're a little guy. I was a

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little dude, and he was, I
wanted to. Be in the school

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band. And, you know, so my mom
went in, and she goes, Okay, my

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son wants to play drums, and he
sells her a practice pad and a

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pair of sticks. And I was like,
No, man, I want the big drum

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set. You know, I just saw Ronnie
tut from Elvis playing this big

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blue thing. That's what I want,

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this practice, this Gladstone
pad. I bet you had a Gladstone

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pad. I

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had a Gladstone pad. And then I
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two squares of wood, you know,
they kind of sat on each other

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and had one of those and and so
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to play traditional grip and
five stroke rolls and

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paradiddles and single stroke
girls and go through the

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rudiments. And I was about a
year or more, and he finally

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goes, you know, Mrs. Robley, I
think Bart's finally ready for a

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snare drum. And so I moved up to
the snare drum and all the way

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up. And so he was the first guy
that that kind of taught me

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drums that he actually, he's
still around. He teaches in

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Colorado. He plays in a bunch of
bands, plays in a church band,

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plays in a John Denver tribute
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So he's got to be in his like,
mid 60s or 70s.

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Oh, he's he's in his 70s, and
he's still really viable. Matter

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of fact, we played Denver was
couple years ago now, we played

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in Denver, and we weren't quite
sure logistically, how it was

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going to happen, and he was
going to backline because I'm a

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Gretsch guy, and he had some
Gretch kits. And he goes, I got

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a Gretch kit, I'll let you
borrow. And I ended we ended up

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taking our gear out there. We
ended up having a, like, a, you

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know, a string of shows. So we
took our stuff. But no, he's

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still out there, still viable.
He teaches. He has a studio at

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his house called to Cobb Drum
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he's gotta be proud of you,
right? I mean, I mean, it's

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like, it isn't it cool that you
were like the little tyke in the

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room, and then now your
colleagues,

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right? And you know what was
really cool when I got my

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endorsement deal with Gretch The
first year I was at the Gretch

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booth. And at the time that ANR
rep was Kim Graham, and I was

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standing there talking to her,
and it was, it was the first

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time I'd ever been in a catalog,
you know, you get your little

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picture in the in the back of
the catalog. Bart, Rob Lee, Sam

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Morrison van, and I was just
like everybody had walked by me.

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There I am. Look at me. Look at
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made it, you know, totally
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there, and also this guy by the
name of Gary curry. And Gary

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used to own a place in Denver
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Well, he was the manager. He
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manager there. And he, at the
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distribution, right? Sonar,
drum, Sabian cymbals, all this

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stuff. Honer, yeah, yeah. Honer,
yeah, yeah. And so we were,

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we're all kind of standing
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me. I'm like, wait a second,
these guys who used to be my

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teachers. And I was, I was, I
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there and stare at the drum sets
going. I want that one. I want

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that one so sex. We all were,
you know, look at that one, you

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know. And and then now I'm
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like you said, they're my
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friends. And it was, it was a
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And because I tell all my
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at if you stay in the business
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thing, you follow through.
You're a person of integrity,

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character, you know, you
practice you you all of your

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heroes become, you know, your
friends, and then the middle of

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the night, you know, Carmine
Apoc is like sending you a weird

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meme, you know? I mean, you
could, you know what? I mean,

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you could text these people. I
mean, it's, it's a cool it's a,

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it's a cool thing. And sometimes
it just takes a very, very long

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time. Still have yet to meet
Alex Van Halen. Still have yet

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to meet, uh, Stuart Copeland,
but the fact that, you know, I

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can High Five Carmine, I can
High Five Kenny, I can high I

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can hug, especially Greg. You
know, you know about Greg

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Bissonette, like dude, he sees
you at a trade show, he will hug

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you and and he will not let go
of that embrace. He might hug

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you for 10 minutes walking
around the showroom

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dude. He is Greg is the shining
example of not just what to be

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as a drummer, but what to be as
a person, as a human,

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freaking being. Do

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you know Chris Brady, yeah,
you're, you're a Remo guy,

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right? Yeah, I've been

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with Remo since 1994

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Okay, so that's about when I got
on with Aquarian. Matter of

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fact, Chris and I, joke about
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here somewhere. I gotta find

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it. Roy burns, I gotta. Oh,
yeah. Roy burns, story, man.

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Roy, oh,

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oh, dude, this is, this wasn't
planned. I have this look. This

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is me and Chris. Brady, yeah, 8
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years. You guys are wearing your
you guys are wearing your mom

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jeans. We are wearing

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mom jeans. Man,

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who is that ugly girl standing
beside Chris? Anyway? Um, we,

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I've been with aquarium longer
than Chris was, but no, Chris is

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a dear friend of mine, and and
Chris does a lot of people don't

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know this, but Chris is an
incredible drummer, and he's

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really good at transcribing
stuff nice, and so he does a lot

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of transcriptions for Greg. And
him and Greg are, like, really

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tight and, and that's what Chris
says. He's like, man, Greg is

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not just a great drummer. He's a
great person, yes, and he, he's

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just that dude. He's just, he
makes you feel welcome and and,

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well, you know, the the
ultimate, you know, the ultimate

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formula for a great clinic is to

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entertain,

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to teach and make them laugh.
And so, so, so like any great

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clinician, you're gonna laugh,
you're gonna learn, and you're

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going to be entertained, and
you're definitely going to get

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that at a Greg Bissonette
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that at a Stanton Moore Clinic,
a Carmine clinic, a Kenny

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clinic. So, so that's and I
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always, he's got the cat skills,
jokes, and he'll pick up the

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trumpet, and you know what? I
mean, he's just always telling

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stories, like, like two old guys
in the park. You

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know, you gotta ask Brady. I'll
tell it now if you want, but you

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gotta ask Brady about the black
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clinic. Oh, yeah, it's

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like a I played that in my for
my senior recital. It's like a

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coffee can that was spilled all
over a piece of paper. Oh, it's

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unbelievable. Well, Greg is
giving a clinic, and he sees

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Chris in the back of the room,
and Chris can play the black

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page, right? Yeah, and, and
Chris is standing there watching

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the clinic, and Greg goes, Hey
everybody. It's, it's Chris

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Brady from Aquarium drum heads.
And you should hear this guy

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play the black page. Come on up,
Chris. Chris is like, because I

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started getting tunnel vision.

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It's that scene in poltergeist
where the mom's trying to get

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down the hallway, and the
hallway just keeps getting

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longer and longer. Right? Right.
My God, amazing. And then, you

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know, you gotta, we have to say
something about, I didn't know

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Ralph Humphrey very well. I
mean, of course, odd times

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specialist, played with Zappa,
taught at MI forever, and then

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was kind of like a founding
member of the Los Angeles Music

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Academy. Or was it the Los
Angeles College of Music, LACMA?

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I believe that's llama, and now
it's Los Angeles College of

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Music. Lack them. Yeah, sounds
like a rudiment Slack. So I

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didn't know him very well, but
Dom and I were dear friends who

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would like, always, like, at any
trade show, we would end up at

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some sort of a dinner, and I
would always sit next to him,

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and we have our red wine and
stain our teeth and tell

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stories, and I would just soak,
soak up his juju, you know,

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yeah, yeah, Dom was awesome.
Well, Ralph Humphrey, hands

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down, was the best drum teacher
I ever had, and here's why. You

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know, I think the sign of a good
drum teacher is when they know

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what you need to work on before
you know what you need to work

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on, you know. And I went to him
to work on Moeller. I had been

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watching Joe, Joe Mayer, Oh,
yeah. And there was the 2005

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2005 Modern Drummer festival
days. He's on that video is way

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back, and he's doing his Joe Joe
Mara thing, and his hands are

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just like water. I'm like, I
gotta learn that. I gotta really

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work on that. So I went to
Ralph, and I told him, that's

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what I wanted to work on. And 10
minutes into the lesson, he

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goes, I'll be right back. And we
were at his house. He had a

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little like a pool house, and on
the back of the pool house, he

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had converted this room into a
drum room, and and he comes out

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with these exercises. And he
goes, here, let's work on these.

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And it was molar, but it wasn't
molar. It was kind of, it was,

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it was a lot more than that. And
it was a, it was a thing of four

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exercises. And I teach it to my
students today, and I still

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practice it today. I've turned
I've, I've made clinics out of

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it, yeah. And he, he knew this
stuff before I did, and he

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really helped me with my groove
and my feel, yeah, and my time,

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of course, and and he was just a
real sweetheart of a guy. And

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when we got the before we got on
the the podcast, we're talking

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about the record deal that I got
where we recorded with Michael

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Blum, he really helped me
through that. And he was just a

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great dude. And he was he would
sit down and play, and he would

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play the simplest of things. And
I'm sure you've run into this

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where you just see somebody sits
down, one and three, two and

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four, and you're like, how do
you make it sound that good?

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Yeah, how do you pull that sound
out of the it's so simple, but I

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can't do that. And

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he did a lot of TV shows like he
was. On Dancing with the Stars

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in the house band before they
went to, like, pre recorded

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tracks and stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, he was. He told
stories of that too. He said he

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had stories about that band and
how good they were. He's the

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guy. I'm 99% sure I'm right
about this. So if you Google it

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and I'm wrong, I apologize, but
I'm pretty sure I'm right at the

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on Star Trek, the theme song.

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Okay, that that log drum, that's

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Ralph, nice. I how cool to be
like, or say you're like, Hal

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Blaine and you know you you were

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there. Or you're like,

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threes coming same film, Yeah,
same fill, different, different

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jingle. But, you know, to be the
A part of the fabric of like

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American culture, like that. And
Emil Richards, you know,

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probably owned the log drum that
Ralph played on the television

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show. And he was so smart,
because he was always the leader

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and or contractor of the
percussion section, and then he

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made money from renting his
instruments,

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renting his gear out, and he and
he did the Cartage for it. You

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know, what's crazy is and I, and
it was just kind of weird how it

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happened, where I ended up
studying with Ralph, I played

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for the weirdest band in the
world. And, matter of fact, I'm

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a writer as well, obviously not
just my books, but I blog a lot.

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And where's your blogs? Medium,
medium. Oh, you blog on medium,

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okay, yeah. And I wrote this
story about William Shatner. I

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played for the weirdest band.
Was called Neil Norman's cosmic

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orchestras put together by
Paramount Pictures, and we

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played all this really eclectic
space, 1999 all the theme songs,

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and then we would back up the
actors. So all the actors play

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guitar, saxophone, sync, dance,
something. We'd back them up

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play for him. And then Tim Russ,
who played Tuvok on Voyager,

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Star Trek, I am Tuvok. I am Tuva
dude. That dude's a killer

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singer and a great guitar
player. And we were, we were his

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band, and we had put on this the
show, and at Star Trek

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conventions, it was really

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cool all the Trekkies. It was
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Theory.

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It was totally and the first gig
that I did with them. We were in

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Denver, and it was bitching,
because it was put together by

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Paramount, so there's big
screens and all this Star Trek

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stuff's coming down. I want to
watch it, and I can't, because

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I'm playing to click and, you
know, reading charts read

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totally dude. You know the gig.
So I'm doing the gig, and the

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first part of the show is all
this, like, I say real eclectic,

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weird theme song music, and
we're just kind of background

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music. Well, then the show
starts, and all the people come

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in, lights go out. And you know
how it is, lights are in your

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eyes, and you can only see,
like, the first two rows of

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people, yeah, and I'm playing,
and I'm like, That dude has the

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biggest head I've ever seen,
because all I can see is a

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silhouette. I'm like, what is
up? You know, he had the mask

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on, right? He had on a Star Trek
thing. And I'm like, you know,

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some and they all dress up. It
was so cool. And the thing that

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I learned from that was, it
doesn't matter what you're into

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in life, right? Like, if you're
into collecting thimbles,

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there's going to be a convention
of thimble collectors that

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gather together to talk about
thimbles. And that's the way the

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Star Trek thing was. And it was
a lot of fun. It was a lot of

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fun. And anyway, back to the
Ralph Humphrey thing. It's just

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cool that I did that, and I got
to and I got to meet Ralph and

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work with him, and we talked
about the log drama and talked

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about all that stuff. And Neil
actually had asked Ralph to do

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the gig, and he was like, Nah,
he didn't want to do it. Neil

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Norman. That was a guy, Neil
Norman's cosmic orchestra.

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Oh, yeah. Well, see, that's
great. So you can start

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somebody, you study with people,
and you know, you get on their

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radar, and then before you know
it, you're on their sub list,

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which is always a great thing.
You know what? I mean, exactly?

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Yeah, totally, totally. And then
what'd you get from DOM? Was

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Dom's thing more mental, like,
how to construct clinics and how

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to approach your career and
stuff, because you really are. I

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mean, the book is definitely
worth picking up, folks right

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there. It's an easy to remember
an acronym, but it's like, this

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is definitely not rocket
science, but some of the stuff,

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none of my books, are rocket
science, either. It's just a

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friendly reminder of the things
that that maybe not You're not

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really thinking about. Of course
you have to be an expert at your

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craft. Of course you have to be
good at your instrument. But

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it's all these other things,
like the admin, running your

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career, staying in the public
eye, creating relevant content,

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joining professional
organizations, going to the

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conventions, being seen, all
very

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important stuff. All very
important, and that is what I

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00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:57,819
got from DOM. I took a couple of
lesson Dom and I did a master

426
00:24:57,819 --> 00:25:03,779
class together one time when.
Covid hit. And I had taken a

427
00:25:03,779 --> 00:25:07,319
few, you know, playing things
with him, but it was definitely

428
00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:10,499
more like you say, the mental
game, how to get things going.

429
00:25:10,679 --> 00:25:13,619
And the reason I say we did the
master class together, and throw

430
00:25:13,619 --> 00:25:17,219
that in there, was because that
was probably the biggest lesson

431
00:25:17,219 --> 00:25:20,219
I took with him, like on hand
technique, as I was giving the

432
00:25:20,219 --> 00:25:27,199
lesson, right? And but DOM was,
again, such a positive ball of

433
00:25:27,199 --> 00:25:33,499
energy. And he really kind of
helped you wrap your brain

434
00:25:33,499 --> 00:25:38,059
around the fact that, hey, man,
you can do this. And I remember

435
00:25:38,059 --> 00:25:41,379
when I first threw my hat into
the ring, okay, I'm going to do

436
00:25:41,379 --> 00:25:45,699
clinics. My thinking on it was
totally backwards. I was

437
00:25:45,699 --> 00:25:49,479
thinking, oh my god, I'm going
to do a drum clinic in a room

438
00:25:49,479 --> 00:25:55,359
full of drummers. What the hell
you know? I'm going to be

439
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,659
bleeding out in a shark tank.
But it wasn't that way, and he

440
00:25:58,659 --> 00:26:01,079
helped me get my brain around. I
was like, No. Nobody wants to

441
00:26:01,079 --> 00:26:05,159
see you fail. Everybody wants to
see you succeed. And for some

442
00:26:05,159 --> 00:26:08,459
reason, I said this on a podcast
the other day. I don't know why

443
00:26:08,459 --> 00:26:10,799
it was this way, but for some
reason I had this thing in my

444
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:14,999
head that Dave weckel is going
to show up at my clinic, right?

445
00:26:14,999 --> 00:26:18,959
I don't know why, but I'm like,
I like, what if Dave weckel

446
00:26:18,959 --> 00:26:21,319
shows up on my clinic? Dom, I
don't know what to do. He goes,

447
00:26:21,439 --> 00:26:24,079
Well, what are you gonna do?
You're gonna out drum weckle.

448
00:26:24,139 --> 00:26:27,319
Nobody can do that. Come on. You
just gotta stay on your he

449
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:28,579
really helped me get my brain

450
00:26:28,580 --> 00:26:32,420
around. Stay in your lane. Stay
on stay on target. And then, and

451
00:26:32,420 --> 00:26:35,780
then have some wonderful
takeaways. You know, the way,

452
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,020
the way I, and I'm sure you
agree, the way I approach the

453
00:26:39,140 --> 00:26:45,400
drum clinic or the master class,
is it is a special event that

454
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,780
brings the community of like
minded people together. I'm not

455
00:26:49,780 --> 00:26:52,540
a genius, but I've been
fortunate enough to experience

456
00:26:52,540 --> 00:26:55,060
all these great things in life
and give me a perspective, and

457
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:57,820
I'm going to share those things,
and we're going to laugh, and

458
00:26:57,820 --> 00:27:00,160
we're going to learn, and we're
going to love and we're going to

459
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,720
be entertained. And it's almost
more of like a it's like a one

460
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,800
man show. It's like a small one
man show, if you're an actor and

461
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,280
you're in a black box theater,
and people come out and it's

462
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,460
like, what is this? Oh, my God,
this person just played 15

463
00:27:14,460 --> 00:27:18,960
characters and told me their
life story. So I it's like that.

464
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,940
Yeah, it totally is. It's that's
a great analogy, and that's a

465
00:27:22,940 --> 00:27:28,520
great way to kind of describe
it. It really is. And I, I think

466
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:34,520
the clinic thing and the master
class thing is, is you're taking

467
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:40,180
what you do and say, Now, here's
what I do. Take what you do and

468
00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:44,140
pull from it just like any drum
lesson would be. I mean, a one

469
00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:47,200
on one coaching thing or drum
lesson is going to be more, hey,

470
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,620
you know, pull your hand up this
way, turn your hand over, finger

471
00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:54,700
technique, do this that. This is
more of like you say, a one man

472
00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:57,820
show. This is what I've been
able to do. This is what I've

473
00:27:57,820 --> 00:28:02,160
been able to create. And you can
do it too. A matter of fact, one

474
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,180
of my clinics, I have a I'm
sure, like you. I have different

475
00:28:06,180 --> 00:28:10,980
areas that I touch on, yeah, the
master class today to Adams

476
00:28:10,980 --> 00:28:13,860
place, Adams drum room, the
madam drummer. What's up? Adam

477
00:28:13,980 --> 00:28:18,300
Adam, we love you. He's over.
Matter of fact, he's in Europe,

478
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:25,580
with Europe. Oh, wow. Yeah,
he's, he's our manager. Anyway,

479
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,920
you're kidding me. No, he's
dude. He manages Europe, thin,

480
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:31,760
Lizzy, Lita

481
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,240
Ford, oh, so, so, like, so
that's his niche. Is the 80s

482
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,780
bands, keeping them, keeping
them working. Like, hey guys, I

483
00:28:38,780 --> 00:28:42,820
got you, I got you a birthday
party. Jeff Bezos, his kid,

484
00:28:42,820 --> 00:28:45,400
they're having a birthday party
and but

485
00:28:46,420 --> 00:28:49,000
the clown goes on before you
guys,

486
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,620
are you cool following the
puppet show? But no, I mean,

487
00:28:53,740 --> 00:28:56,980
that's amazing. That's cool. So
that means, that means he

488
00:28:56,980 --> 00:29:00,760
brushes shoulders with our
friend Bobby rock, who I love.

489
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,360
Bobby rock, dude. I want to have
him on the show, man, dude.

490
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,880
Bobby rock, okay, so yeah, he, I
got invited to Adams birthday

491
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,080
party few months back. And yeah,
everybody was our leader,

492
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,920
forward and windy. Do is great,
man. It was a fantastic Well,

493
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:24,800
Bobby rock was, he was kind of
the guy that I look to to not

494
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,180
only is he a killer drummer, but
he's a great writer. He's a

495
00:29:29,180 --> 00:29:32,900
columnist. He's written many
books on a lot of different

496
00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:35,660
subjects, yeah. And yeah, just a
great dude,

497
00:29:35,659 --> 00:29:38,239
man. What I got from him was the
Hey, pay attention to what

498
00:29:38,239 --> 00:29:43,839
you're putting in your mouth.
Yep. And maybe also, um, get

499
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:45,939
some exercise. Kid, you know
what? I mean? Yeah,

500
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,480
yeah. Lift some weights. Lift
some weights. But, yeah, so, um,

501
00:29:49,540 --> 00:29:53,620
so Adam, the clinic that I did,
Adam's thing was, uh, it was a

502
00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:56,260
molar thing, right? It was a
master class on molar. Well,

503
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,240
I've put a whole clinic together
around the Bob. Bigger

504
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,640
recordings, all the RE records
that we did, that's a whole

505
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,880
nother story with the SAM
Morrison come back to that. Come

506
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,880
back. That's what we're talking
about next. That's okay, how we

507
00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:15,300
did those recordings. Because,
man, ever and I'll throw this

508
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:17,820
out there as the hook, and then
I'll tell how I did it. Every

509
00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:22,460
one of those records that we did
and we've had, matter of fact, I

510
00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:25,760
asked Sam to text me the
numbers, like, in the millions

511
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:33,800
of streams. Over 40 million
streams on on the Bob Seger

512
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:34,160
stuff.

513
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,800
Oh, right, dude, that means that
40 million people have heard

514
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,740
your drumming. Bart, right,
right? About that, that's pretty

515
00:30:39,740 --> 00:30:43,000
I know it's really cool. Who are
these people? What countries are

516
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,340
they in? Do they speak the
language, right?

517
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,480
It's incredible. It's totally
cool. And when we did those

518
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:54,700
recordings, they were well from
the second album through all

519
00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:58,180
these other recordings that I
did with him, and I got those

520
00:30:58,180 --> 00:31:01,500
because I did my job well to
anybody listening, who's a young

521
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:05,580
drummer, they were cut to click
recordings or cut to click

522
00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:08,700
sessions. Meaning, of course,
you're going to cut to click but

523
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:15,660
it was me, my transcriptions, a
drum set, and that's it. No

524
00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:16,560
musicians.

525
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,040
You're going for the for the
feel and a tight track that they

526
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,680
could build everything around
100%

527
00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:26,720
there, matter of fact, there
was, I cut. One of my favorite

528
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,200
recordings was a song that was,
wasn't even a big hit for

529
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,180
Seager. We re recorded a song
called Ain't got no money. And

530
00:31:35,180 --> 00:31:38,360
then we did another song called
back in 72 those are my two

531
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,060
favorite recordings that we did
of his, and I recorded those on

532
00:31:43,060 --> 00:31:47,740
Christmas Eve. It was me and me
and Michael, and we're sitting

533
00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:52,060
in up in Sherman Oaks, just
cutting tracks. Man, nobody else

534
00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:53,500
in the studio. This is two of
us.

535
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:55,780
Was your was your bride upset
that you were working on

536
00:31:55,780 --> 00:31:57,220
Christmas Eve a little bit.

537
00:31:58,660 --> 00:32:01,500
It was the only day that the
studio was available, or was

538
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:04,260
a crunch? Yeah, that was the
thing. It was one of those

539
00:32:04,260 --> 00:32:07,020
things where he wanted to get it
done, and he goes, Hey, can you

540
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:10,860
come in? I said, Yes, I can. So
I was there. Always say yes,

541
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,240
always say yes, no matter.

542
00:32:12,660 --> 00:32:14,400
Always say yes, unless it's

543
00:32:15,780 --> 00:32:18,060
someone's life's on the line or
something. Yeah,

544
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,840
right, exactly. Sounds like your
life was on the line, but, but

545
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,920
you guys got past it. You're
still married. That's good. So,

546
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:27,380
so you know, you're an author,
you're an educator. You're

547
00:32:27,380 --> 00:32:30,740
teaching all the time. These are
great stories, but tell us about

548
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:33,800
the SAM Morrison band, 25 years.
That's a long run. That's

549
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,820
hallowed ground. Same members.
How did the relationship start?

550
00:32:37,820 --> 00:32:39,020
How'd you get the gig?

551
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,900
Okay, well, I was at the time, I
worked at this place called

552
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:46,960
Orange County speaker. It was
before I could make a living as

553
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,380
a musician, and I was working
there during the day. I was

554
00:32:50,380 --> 00:32:54,820
playing gigs at night, and I was
teaching. So if I didn't have a

555
00:32:54,820 --> 00:32:58,300
gig or rehearsal, then I was
given lessons. It's always and

556
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:03,840
in writing, doing my thing, and
Sam came in to get some speakers

557
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:09,000
repaired. We did like big pa big
PA systems that had just gotten

558
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,840
off to her. We rebuilt them, you
know, and so anyway, Sam brought

559
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,040
some speakers in, and we'd fix
some speakers for him, and we

560
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,780
made fast friends, and he was in
at the time. It was always a SAM

561
00:33:20,780 --> 00:33:24,860
Morrison band, which it still
is. And they were doing country.

562
00:33:24,860 --> 00:33:27,680
They were doing the, like the
90s era country. Lot of Travis

563
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,260
trip, Garth Brooks Clint Black,

564
00:33:31,580 --> 00:33:33,080
yeah, Tracy Lawrence Clint

565
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,420
Black, just came to our show the
other night in Canada. Was

566
00:33:35,420 --> 00:33:40,040
awesome to see him, man, really,
yeah, you know Jack Gavin, yes,

567
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,580
I haven't seen him in a very,
very long time, but he was a,

568
00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:46,000
one of the longest running
drummers for Charlie Daniels,

569
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,140
yeah, and that's Sam's, like,
due north, right? Is Charlie

570
00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:53,560
Daniels band? That's, that's
Sam's thing. Okay? And so

571
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,940
anyway, he, he, he asked me to
sub for him on a couple of gigs.

572
00:33:57,940 --> 00:34:00,460
His drummer couldn't make it, so
I went in and subbed for him.

573
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,660
And I was at the time, I had
been playing hard rock and stuff

574
00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:07,380
forever, so it was a, it was a
big, you know, square peg, round

575
00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:12,780
hole, a big learning curve, and
I just went to work. Fast

576
00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:16,560
forward about a year of that
relationship going on. He calls

577
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,680
me up, and he goes, Hey, man, my
drummer quit, and my guitar

578
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,340
player quit, and I've got a two
week tour of Europe coming up,

579
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,420
and the gigs yours, if you
wanted it. And I was like, let's

580
00:34:29,420 --> 00:34:36,620
go. So I had my passport, I had
everything, and we went off to

581
00:34:36,620 --> 00:34:40,280
Europe, and we played in war
zones. We played during the

582
00:34:40,340 --> 00:34:46,240
Bosnia Croatian war. We played
in Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo,

583
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,720
Dona, Syria, yeah, Sarajevo,
that was the capital of Bosnia,

584
00:34:53,140 --> 00:34:54,880
and we played there,

585
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:58,540
all right, yeah, it was the
capital of Bosnia, and it

586
00:34:58,540 --> 00:35:02,940
was so risky. It was. Risky. So
this would have been because I

587
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:07,080
hit those same countries in
those same cities, well, for the

588
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,180
US military, 1998

589
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,100
Yeah, so it was a little bit
after that, because this was

590
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:18,780
when we were 20 miles from
Parliament, the night that the

591
00:35:18,780 --> 00:35:23,120
military stormed it to get
Milosevic out. And this is no

592
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,660
joke, dude, we were, we were
playing, and you would be,

593
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,380
oh, my god, yeah. It

594
00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:35,840
was nuts. And at one point when
we were in Kosovo, it was really

595
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:42,400
surreal. We're up on this hill,
and it was dusk, and we you're

596
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,520
staying in the military barracks
and everything, and there was

597
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,780
all these black birds. They
weren't crows or ravens, They

598
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:54,580
were just these ominous looking
black birds. 1000s of them were

599
00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:58,360
up on a hill. There's a city way
down below, and you could hear

600
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,740
them down there shooting, and I
and and they were like, oh, it's

601
00:36:01,740 --> 00:36:07,200
all small, small arms fire won't
make it up, you know, right.

602
00:36:08,580 --> 00:36:11,220
Anyway, so we played there and
did that whole thing, and did

603
00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:16,740
the whole military were over
there, and then years later,

604
00:36:16,860 --> 00:36:21,320
like that, all those, like those
Toby Keith videos and stuff that

605
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:26,600
he did for that, where he played
for the military, dude, that's

606
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,360
where we played. That was the
same it was the same place. It

607
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,920
was Eagle base and Bosnia camp,
Bond steel, and Kosovo, all

608
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,420
those places. Wow.

609
00:36:35,540 --> 00:36:38,780
Well, that's a good thing to do,
because those that the soldiers

610
00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:41,500
really appreciated their star
for the for a slice of

611
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:44,740
Americana, you know, they're
over there, you know, defending

612
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,120
everything, and it's just
totally crazy. Sorry, I'm

613
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,120
somewhat distracted right now.
I'm going to make that not look

614
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,840
so but this is real life stuff,
like waiting for the plumber to

615
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,060
come because, you know, your
bathroom is smelling for some

616
00:36:58,060 --> 00:37:01,380
reason, and you're trying to
figure it out. And the Wi Fi has

617
00:37:01,380 --> 00:37:04,320
given us fits a little bit right
now. It seems like it's slowing

618
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:04,500
well,

619
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:13,140
just bathrooms about up, it's
good. And just as a point of

620
00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:15,720
reference, bathrooms, they do
stink from time to time. Just

621
00:37:17,220 --> 00:37:20,180
yeah, this is like some sort of
a that's not human. What is

622
00:37:20,180 --> 00:37:25,820
that, but hopefully we'll, you
know, we'll get to the we'll get

623
00:37:25,820 --> 00:37:28,640
to the bottom of these things.
So, so you're playing, you know?

624
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:32,600
So what? You know, subbing for
someone, you know, a last minute

625
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,340
job leads to a 25 year
relationship, yeah? Like, so,

626
00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:39,740
like, I'm seeing like, wives and
girlfriends have come and gone.

627
00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:41,860
People have had children,
they're grown. They're out of

628
00:37:41,860 --> 00:37:45,100
the house. Is it the same? Has
it been the same personnel?

629
00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:50,080
No. What happened was, if for
the last, last, like, 10 years,

630
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,280
it's been the same, it's a real
solid unit. Now, the bass

631
00:37:54,280 --> 00:38:00,660
player, and myself and Sam, it's
been, I've been coming up in

632
00:38:00,660 --> 00:38:05,820
September. It'll be 26 years
bass players like 2223 amazing,

633
00:38:05,820 --> 00:38:05,940
you

634
00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:09,420
know. So you finish each other's
sentences, Oh, dude, you're very

635
00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:13,860
comfortable personally and
professionally. Um, you know,

636
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:15,840
you know what you're getting
into and then. But the thing

637
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,800
that I also like about how you,
you know, you live your life, is

638
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,460
you approach things the same way
that I do, which is like, you're

639
00:38:22,460 --> 00:38:25,400
out on the road. There's 24 hour
day. You're not playing the

640
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,280
entire time. You make good use
of your time. You're writing

641
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,980
your books, you're teaching
lessons. Yep, you know, you're

642
00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:33,860
hitting the gym because, you
know, idle time is the devil's

643
00:38:33,860 --> 00:38:34,580
playground.

644
00:38:34,820 --> 00:38:38,000
Totally. Man, been there, done
that. Man. Don't want to do

645
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,380
that. So I yeah, I teach from
the road, I write from the road

646
00:38:41,740 --> 00:38:45,820
and and, well, like when we were
doing the Bob Seager stuff, I

647
00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:49,060
transcribed all that stuff, you
know, so takes time, yeah, yeah,

648
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,680
but yeah, so well. And then
after we got back from Europe,

649
00:38:53,740 --> 00:38:59,620
when really a lot of personnel
stuff changed, and we went into

650
00:39:01,060 --> 00:39:05,100
just doing, like, our originals
and more southern rock. We still

651
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:07,920
did some, like, more of the
outlaw country stuff, some of

652
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,980
the Travis tritt, the old
Wayland stuff, you know, stuff

653
00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:15,120
like that, you know, just great
stuff. And then started doing a

654
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,980
lot of almond brothers, lot of
lot of Leonard Skinner 38

655
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:23,660
special, all that stuff. Yeah,
and we're working out in Vegas,

656
00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:26,840
and we happen to have four or
five Bob Seeger tunes in the

657
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:32,060
set. And it was one of those
things where Sam, he doesn't try

658
00:39:32,060 --> 00:39:35,240
to sound like Seeger. He just
does that's just, that's what

659
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:38,480
his voice sounds like, right?
When, when, matter of fact, on

660
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,960
the recordings, when we on the
song, roll me away to me. Still

661
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,900
to this day I listen to it, I'm
like, Oh my God, you sound like

662
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:51,340
John, Dude, you just nailed it.
It just, it's perfect. So

663
00:39:51,340 --> 00:39:55,780
anyway, we're working out in
Vegas, and we're playing with

664
00:39:55,780 --> 00:39:59,920
this band called Yellow Brick
Road, and they were not a they.

665
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,480
They just did everything. They
it wasn't an Elton John tribute.

666
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,780
That was just the name of the
band. Interesting, yeah, and

667
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,040
like, what? And they were great.
They would, one night, they

668
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,580
would do like, a tribute to
rush, and they would nail it,

669
00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:17,820
and then the next night, we're
doing a tribute to the Beatles,

670
00:40:17,820 --> 00:40:20,960
and they'd nail it, dude. That's
very smart. And it kept, keep

671
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,040
everybody sharp. Totally,
totally. And so Sam, because,

672
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,920
you know, man, we always get, we
get more requests for Seager.

673
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,520
People say, I sound like him.
Why don't we try a tribute

674
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:36,020
thing? Okay, why not? Let's see
if it sticks to the wall. And we

675
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,400
did, and, man, it stuck. So
there's really, like two bands.

676
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:44,320
It's two bands, but so and what
we did to kind of keep the

677
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:50,140
branding is that it's the SAM
Morrison band presents turn the

678
00:40:50,140 --> 00:40:55,000
page. So we get hired either to
do our original stuff, we get

679
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,640
hired to do the Southern rock
stuff, and we get hired to do

680
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:02,340
the Bob Seger stuff. And the
smart thing about it is, like,

681
00:41:02,340 --> 00:41:05,700
we don't dress up like we don't.
We're not a Beatles man. We

682
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:07,980
don't need to wear Sergeant
peppers. We just go out there

683
00:41:07,980 --> 00:41:11,160
looking like a rock band, right?
I mean, that's what we do. And

684
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,180
so we'll get hired, we'll go out
and play, and Sam makes this

685
00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:17,340
thing at the end of the show.
He's like, I don't know if you

686
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,380
you know we don't look like
other tribute bands. You've

687
00:41:19,380 --> 00:41:22,760
seen, blah, blah, blah, blah.
We've had movie songs of our own

688
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,080
in movies and TV shows, and
tells the whole story. Well, as

689
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,760
soon as he does that, we get
hired back next time around to

690
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,440
do both shows. Happens all the
time. And so, yeah, we work a

691
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,600
lot, and we're on the road a
lot, and that's

692
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,120
amazing, and it's a really
brilliant business plan. And

693
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,940
does he have an agent, or does
he handle everything himself?

694
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,840
We have both. He handles stuff
himself. And then we have, like,

695
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,220
we have one agency that we work
with out of Arizona, that they

696
00:41:54,220 --> 00:41:58,420
handle everything in Arizona for
us. I mean, we have, we work in

697
00:41:58,420 --> 00:42:02,160
Arizona so much that I seriously
thinking about buying a house.

698
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,520
It's a dry heat. It's a dry
heat. Oh, dude, my sister lives

699
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,760
there. Forget it. No way. I
mean, that's, that's what keeps

700
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:09,840
me from buying a house. Well,

701
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,240
that's what's really
interesting, is I do like the

702
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,760
desert. I mean, obviously it's
not enjoyable in July and

703
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,560
August, you got to, kind of got
to stay in but you know, if you

704
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:25,400
lived in Southern California for
36 years. Is it even possible to

705
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,120
think about leaving the palm
trees and this blue skies?

706
00:42:30,140 --> 00:42:34,760
You know? I, there's times I,
you know, you hear all these

707
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,760
people the California Exodus.
Everybody's leaving California

708
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,900
because of politics and this and
that. Well, now you're starting

709
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:43,780
to hear about how everybody's
like, coming back to California,

710
00:42:43,780 --> 00:42:46,660
you know? Because really, oh
yeah, people are starting to

711
00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:51,040
come back and and, yeah, it's,
it would be tough to move away.

712
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,680
I mean, it's definitely home,
you know? It's definitely, well,

713
00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:53,920
it's

714
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,380
just one of those beautiful
energy points in the universe

715
00:42:56,380 --> 00:42:58,600
where I tell everybody, you
know, you go to a strip mall and

716
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,560
you can, you can get vegan
health food. There's a smoothie

717
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,800
shop, there's a boba tea thing,
there's Indian, there's Mexican,

718
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,580
there's Vietnamese food, all in
the same strip mall. Trip around

719
00:43:08,580 --> 00:43:11,400
the world, you know what I mean?
And it's just this melting pot

720
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,760
of cultures, which really, you
know, lights my fire. I really

721
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,100
enjoy that. So we're kind of
like hitting a little bit

722
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:19,680
everything, just to show that
the the complete dedication and

723
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,760
versatility you have in your
life. Tell us about the

724
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,860
drummer's Education Connection

725
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:29,660
deck, yeah, so that was a covid
project. Um, thank you for being

726
00:43:29,660 --> 00:43:32,960
on it, by the way. Thanks for
asking, yeah. Um, drummer's

727
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,460
Education Connection, I was out
for a hike, uh, when covid first

728
00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:43,720
started. I'm like, What are we
gonna do now, you know, and I

729
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:46,300
got a phone call from chip,
chip, Ritter.

730
00:43:46,420 --> 00:43:50,620
Chip, Ritter now, Chip, now, you
could sum him up as, there's so

731
00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:53,260
many. Obviously, this is not the
only thing he does. But he was

732
00:43:53,260 --> 00:43:56,800
world famous for appearing on
David Letterman, stupid human

733
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,220
tricks as the juggling drummer.

734
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,780
Yep. And I tell you, the thing
is, and he, he'll tell you this

735
00:44:03,780 --> 00:44:07,320
too, like he doesn't teach
juggling to his students. He's

736
00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:11,040
He's a dude. He's a kick ass
drummer. He is a great drummer.

737
00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:16,500
But matter of fact, we used to
do this thing every year at Nam

738
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:19,560
time, right down the street from
the Anaheim Convention Center.

739
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:24,980
There was this club and, and we
would have a Nam jam, and we

740
00:44:24,980 --> 00:44:30,260
called it the SAM jam, right?
Sam Morrison fans and everybody

741
00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:34,880
would come and play. We had
everybody come and play and Chip

742
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,160
came down one night. I always
invite all my drummer buddies,

743
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,180
come play, come play, come play,
come play. And, and if we do it

744
00:44:41,180 --> 00:44:45,140
again, I'm going to call you
come play. Yeah, and and so chip

745
00:44:45,140 --> 00:44:49,340
gets there, and, dude, there's
like, rock stars getting up and

746
00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:51,380
playing, right? And they're Oh,
yeah, that's great. That's

747
00:44:51,380 --> 00:44:56,240
great. Chip gets up there,
starts juggling house down, man.

748
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,360
He's just great. He's so good.
So anyway, Chip calls. He says

749
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,820
he wants to do something. He
doesn't know what he wants to

750
00:45:02,820 --> 00:45:07,560
do. And and I go, Okay, well,
let's have a meeting. So we get

751
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,160
on Zoom, much like you and I are
now, and he goes, Hey, you know

752
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,920
Rick stojack down in San Diego?
I'm like, I know Rick. Yeah,

753
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,980
everybody knows Rick. I love
Rick. So we have a meeting. And

754
00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:21,680
he knew Jeremy up in the bay
area, so we had like a weekly

755
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,000
meeting for a month, kind of
brainstorming of what we wanted

756
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,480
to do, what we wanted to call
it, how we wanted to do it. And

757
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:32,060
then it got to a point where
it's like, well, we can keep

758
00:45:32,060 --> 00:45:35,840
meeting on Zoom every week and
talking about doing it, or we

759
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,800
can just do it. So we started
going live on Facebook, and then

760
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,300
got stream yard and go live to
Facebook and YouTube, and we've

761
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:47,200
had everybody on we've had Billy
Cobham, we've had David

762
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,860
garibaldi, we've had
Bissonnette, we've had you and,

763
00:45:50,860 --> 00:45:53,980
and then and and, and we've had
people that own a company that,

764
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,280
you know, make drumstick tips,
you know, I mean, just

765
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,440
everything. And we just kind of
geek out on drums.

766
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,640
It's fun. Yeah, yeah. Who
doesn't, who doesn't love that?

767
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,300
And then say, then you turn it
into a audio podcast as well on

768
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:07,260
Apple podcasts,

769
00:46:07,380 --> 00:46:10,620
yeah, we do an apple podcast,
and it's pretty much everywhere

770
00:46:10,620 --> 00:46:15,480
we do it. We turn it into a an
audio podcast. And then I take,

771
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,080
and I just started doing your
video, I take a do shorts of it,

772
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,520
and put shorts all over YouTube
and Facebook and social media.

773
00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:25,400
Yeah, you know, just do the
normal drummer thing. Hey, look

774
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,020
at me. Look at me. Look at me.
Well,

775
00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:29,420
it's a great thing. I mean, so
Dude, you're checking all the

776
00:46:29,420 --> 00:46:31,820
boxes, man. You're a touring
drummer, you're a recording

777
00:46:31,820 --> 00:46:35,000
drummer, you're an educator,
you're an author, you're a

778
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,060
podcaster. Now, you know, you're
an original band, you're in

779
00:46:38,060 --> 00:46:42,340
tribute bands, you're doing all
of the stuff to keep the lights

780
00:46:42,340 --> 00:46:42,880
on. What's your

781
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:50,080
favorite drink? My favorite
drink is, is coconut flavored

782
00:46:50,740 --> 00:46:57,940
water? I quit drinking coconut
water seven years ago. Yeah,

783
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,160
yeah. Lacroix, coconut water. I
love

784
00:47:00,460 --> 00:47:04,560
it. Lacroix, Lacroix. I love
that. Coconuts my favorite.

785
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,660
That's, that's the good that's a
good one. That's really good

786
00:47:06,660 --> 00:47:09,120
because it makes you feel like
you're on a tropical vacation.

787
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:14,040
Totally. Dude. Coconut pie,
Coconut, coconut anything. Dude.

788
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,600
Me too. Coconut milk, coconut
cream pie, real coconut. You

789
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,100
know, you chill it in the, in
the in the refrigerator. It's

790
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,420
like, you're in that Tom Hanks
movie. It's crazy.

791
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,640
Exactly, exactly. No, I actually
quit drinking. I quit drinking.

792
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,420
It's kind of, you know, if you
would ask me what I drink six

793
00:47:35,420 --> 00:47:37,760
years ago, I'd have said, I just
take the top off a bottle of

794
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:38,720
Jack Daniels. But,

795
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,560
oh, yeah. Like, like Tommy and

796
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,180
and Nikki, yeah, just pass a
bottle of Jack back to each

797
00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:48,220
other. But they were 19 years
old,

798
00:47:48,340 --> 00:47:52,240
right? No, I quit drinking
coming up on seven years ago

799
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:56,440
now, all right, bro, yeah, and
it was, that was a that was a

800
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,980
journey, and I even wrote a book
about that. Yeah, that's a whole

801
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:05,400
other So, yeah, that's another
whole published book. That is a

802
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,600
published book, and that is self
that one is self published. That

803
00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:16,020
one, that one is on Amazon, and
that one is called, don't hit

804
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:17,880
the reset button.

805
00:48:19,260 --> 00:48:23,000
Don't hit the F and reset
button, yeah, okay, that's,

806
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,160
that's an interesting story
there. Well, maybe I'll check

807
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,740
that out. Everyone check that
out. And then, if you had to

808
00:48:27,740 --> 00:48:32,420
choose a pizza, what is it? What
is it?

809
00:48:32,780 --> 00:48:36,680
Okay? You know what? Everybody
asked that question. That's a,

810
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,960
that's a drummer podcast
question. I Oh, I

811
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,500
don't want to be normal, right?

812
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:44,860
No, no, no, no, no, it really
is. We have to know about this.

813
00:48:44,980 --> 00:48:48,940
So I there's a place in Chicago,
and you probably know the name

814
00:48:48,940 --> 00:48:54,820
of it. What is it? Luminaries.
Luminaries. Okay, everybody in

815
00:48:54,820 --> 00:48:57,040
the band we're playing in
Chicago, everybody in the band's

816
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,080
like, Oh, we got to go to
Illuminati. We got to go. And

817
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,220
I'm like, okay, whatever. Dude,
that's damn good pizza. I love

818
00:49:02,220 --> 00:49:04,920
to cook. Now, if I have a hobby,
my hobby is cooking. I love to

819
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,700
cook. So when we're on the road,
I'm like, we stay in an Airbnb.

820
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:11,520
I go get food. I cook. I love to
do it

821
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,320
as you're an asset to the
organization,

822
00:49:13,620 --> 00:49:18,960
dude. I love cooking. Love doing
it right and but these guys are

823
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,020
all the way. I want to go here.
They want to go there. Okay,

824
00:49:21,020 --> 00:49:23,900
cool, whatever they and they're
talking about this pizza place.

825
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:29,060
And everybody loves pizza, but
luminaries in Chicago kicks ass.

826
00:49:29,060 --> 00:49:32,900
And when Todd Zuckerman was on
the deck show, you can go watch

827
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:35,480
it. The question we always ask
at the end, what's the best

828
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:40,280
pizza? He said, luminaries. And
watch Dom familiaros episode

829
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,400
too, because he gets crazy about
the pizza I

830
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,460
really love. Would you ever go
as far as putting pineapple on a

831
00:49:45,460 --> 00:49:46,060
pizza or not?

832
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:50,620
No, see, that's the thing. I
think there's a religion about

833
00:49:50,620 --> 00:49:54,460
that, like, either you have
pineapple or you don't. And

834
00:49:54,460 --> 00:49:58,360
like, the it's like people go to
it's kind of okay. Remember when

835
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,260
you're a kid, there was two
camps. Dollars, either kiss

836
00:50:01,260 --> 00:50:04,260
ruled the world or kiss sucked
and you'd go to blows over it.

837
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,880
Okay? I think it's the same
thing with pineapple on pizza.

838
00:50:09,060 --> 00:50:12,000
It's like, you would know, they,
they people fight over

839
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,340
because you get the acidity, you
know. And it's like a

840
00:50:14,340 --> 00:50:17,100
combination thing, like, I'm not
opposed to it, but as a general

841
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:19,860
rule, you know, just give me a
beautiful slice of, you know,

842
00:50:19,860 --> 00:50:22,100
New York New Jersey cheese
pizza.

843
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,920
There you go. There you go.
Yeah, and see, that's another

844
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,980
thing, right? New York Pizza
versus Chicago pizza, right?

845
00:50:27,980 --> 00:50:28,760
Yeah, it's a thing.

846
00:50:28,939 --> 00:50:32,239
I like them. I like to fold it.
I want to fold it on the streets

847
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,659
of Manhattan, drip the grease
off there a little bit, you

848
00:50:35,659 --> 00:50:36,379
know. See,

849
00:50:36,379 --> 00:50:39,199
I'm I kind of like that too.
That's the one thing I don't

850
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:42,399
like about the thick Chicago
stuff. It's like you got to have

851
00:50:42,399 --> 00:50:43,479
a fork, and

852
00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:47,140
you can only have one, one
piece, because it is a mouthful.

853
00:50:47,260 --> 00:50:47,620
Yeah,

854
00:50:47,620 --> 00:50:51,820
it is, it is, it's good. But you
know, you know Fred Fisher? You

855
00:50:51,820 --> 00:50:56,080
ever met him? Not yet. No, okay.
Fred is a guy. He's a drum

856
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,920
teacher, drummer, great dude in
Boise, Idaho. He's been on deck

857
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:03,660
a few times as a guest host, and
this is a little weird, but I

858
00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:08,160
gotta try it. He said there's a
pizza in Idaho that's covered in

859
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:08,940
pickles.

860
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:13,680
Oh, my God, right, yeah. Put it
on the lower part of the to do

861
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:18,360
list. It's I got it No, though.
Okay, here's one for you. I'm a

862
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,260
peanut butter freak, and
somebody was telling me about a

863
00:51:21,260 --> 00:51:24,380
pizza that they put peanut
butter on it, then red sauce,

864
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:29,060
and then made the pizza. And I'm
like, uh, but I tried it and it

865
00:51:29,180 --> 00:51:32,300
like I had one piece, yeah, and
it

866
00:51:32,299 --> 00:51:34,879
was, I'll put it on the lower
part of the to do list. Now,

867
00:51:34,879 --> 00:51:39,379
listen, if you had to pick a
favorite dinosaur, oh, yeah,

868
00:51:39,799 --> 00:51:44,379
what would it be Stegosaurus,
triceratops, Diplodocus,

869
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,740
the bartosaurus Rex, dude, the
bartosaurus Rex, yeah. Man, he

870
00:51:50,740 --> 00:51:53,020
has, he holds his drumsticks
like this,

871
00:51:54,940 --> 00:51:56,500
yeah, the bartosaurus Rex.

872
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:59,080
T Rex's are just very mad at all
times because they have slow

873
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,080
sets little arms. They can't
scratch an itch.

874
00:52:01,260 --> 00:52:05,280
They're pretty pissed. Yeah,
yeah, they're pretty pissed. I'm

875
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,340
pretty pissed. Yeah, I Yeah,
bartosaurus Rex. I got a

876
00:52:08,340 --> 00:52:12,000
bartosaurus Rex. I love that.
Um, now the funny thing is, is

877
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,140
this has been a great
conversation. We We do have some

878
00:52:16,140 --> 00:52:18,600
editing to do on it to make it
cohesive, because there's so

879
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:19,500
many things going on

880
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:21,200
here. Your producers gonna hate
me.

881
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,220
I just appreciate you making the
time in your busy schedule,

882
00:52:25,220 --> 00:52:27,500
because you're always playing,
you're always traveling, you're

883
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:30,260
always teaching, you're always
recording. Everyone can check

884
00:52:30,260 --> 00:52:36,320
out Bart robley.com, it's R, O,
B, L, E, y.com. They want to

885
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,500
check out all your books the
latest, which is drum up your

886
00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:42,100
business, determination,
relationships, understanding

887
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:47,320
mentorship a practical blueprint
to not surviving but thriving in

888
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,680
the music business. And best way
for people to get this is it an

889
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:51,040
Amazon

890
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,340
you can get it on Amazon. You
can order direct from my

891
00:52:54,340 --> 00:52:57,760
website. If you want the digital
version, you can go to Hudson

892
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,200
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Robley. And both of those are on

893
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,560
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Wallace and Joe Bergamini.

894
00:53:04,620 --> 00:53:08,940
We love Rob. We love Joe and Joe
and and Rob have my Crash Course

895
00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:13,800
success digital offering at
Hudson as well, and it is

896
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,060
selling like cardboard. So
please go check it out, folks,

897
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:23,540
my you know what? Dude, my book
shipped cardboard. Oh, you know

898
00:53:23,540 --> 00:53:27,860
what I think you and I see. You
know what I can see in the near

899
00:53:27,860 --> 00:53:32,120
future? I see between Crash
Course and drum up your

900
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:37,760
business. I see a BART Roby rich
Redmond master class thing,

901
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,940
business sponsored by Sabian,
sponsored by Sabian and Adam

902
00:53:42,940 --> 00:53:46,900
Parsons drum room and deck
drummers. Education, connect

903
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:50,740
drummers. Education Connection
and yeah, all of the above.

904
00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:51,100
Bart,

905
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:55,540
congratulations on the success
in the music business. Having a

906
00:53:55,540 --> 00:53:58,720
goal, having a dream, realizing
your dreams, having enough

907
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:02,520
patience and persistent to see
it through. And thanks for

908
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,180
taking all of your wisdom and
things you've learned along the

909
00:54:06,180 --> 00:54:10,200
way and putting it in easily
digestible formats for the

910
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,080
future generation. And I
appreciate your time, man,

911
00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:17,520
dude. I appreciate you and and
seriously, anybody in the

912
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,260
drumming world if you don't, if
you're not aware of rich, well,

913
00:54:21,260 --> 00:54:25,160
then you live under a rock. Rich
is what I say about I said to

914
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,620
this in my live video a minute
ago. I always say that Rick

915
00:54:27,620 --> 00:54:31,400
stojack is a positive energy
hand grenade. He's great to be

916
00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:34,940
around. And if he's a positive
energy hand grenade, then rich.

917
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:38,660
Redmond is a positive energy
nuclear bomb. I love being

918
00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:42,160
around this guy. Watch the
fallout right when he calls and

919
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,040
my phone rings, I pick it up no
matter what. I'm looking forward

920
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,460
to seeing you in in Indiana at
basic we're gonna have a great

921
00:54:48,460 --> 00:54:48,820
time.

922
00:54:48,819 --> 00:54:53,199
50th anniversary, folks, 50 Oh,
way, really, it's the 50th year.

923
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:56,499
So if it's a perfect year to
join the percussive Arts

924
00:54:56,499 --> 00:54:59,019
Society, if you haven't joined,
yep,

925
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,400
and we will. Find a we are going
to find a practice pad, and I'm

926
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,760
going to teach you rich Redmond
how to play a flamma, BARDA

927
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:06,420
diddle, diddle,

928
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:10,800
flamma, BARDA diddle, flamma,
BARDA diddle, flamma, BARDA

929
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,120
diddle, flam about a diddle fan.
I'm about to you can put it in

930
00:55:15,180 --> 00:55:15,900
odd times.

931
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,780
You can, you can put it in odd
times. But if you get, if you do

932
00:55:18,780 --> 00:55:21,680
the flamma, BARDA diddle,
diddle, it'll stay, it'll stay

933
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:21,980
in four.

934
00:55:21,980 --> 00:55:24,980
Oh yeah, it cycles over the bar
line. Yeah, it does. I love

935
00:55:24,980 --> 00:55:27,320
that, dude. I appreciate your
value, your friendship. And

936
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,380
everyone check out Bart
robley.com and buy his brand new

937
00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:35,120
book. Drum up your business.
Awesome, man. You are the best.

938
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,400
Thanks, brother. I appreciate
this will come out in about

939
00:55:38,660 --> 00:55:40,420
four Fridays from now, and I'll

940
00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:43,840
let you four Fridays from now. I
love that. This is perfect.

941
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:44,320
Isn't that

942
00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:47,139
amazing? Thanks for your time,
buddy. I appreciate it, man,

943
00:55:47,139 --> 00:55:49,599
okay, but I'll talk to you. And
yeah, you bet. And to all the

944
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:53,379
listeners out there, please give
yourself a hand. We appreciate

945
00:55:53,379 --> 00:55:56,319
you. Be sure to subscribe,
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946
00:55:56,319 --> 00:55:59,379
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947
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and a sweet review. We
appreciate it. And Bart we have

948
00:56:03,479 --> 00:56:05,879
merch now, man, this is really
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iconic coffee

952
00:56:20,299 --> 00:56:24,319
mug. Oh, dude, I need a rich
Redmond coffee mug. I need to

953
00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:27,199
send you one. Yeah, you said
something about what's my

954
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:32,059
favorite drink, other than
coconut? What caught dude, I

955
00:56:32,059 --> 00:56:36,139
love Starbucks. I don't know
what the hell they do to their

956
00:56:36,139 --> 00:56:36,679
coffee.

957
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,380
They burn it. And we love it. I
did.

958
00:56:40,820 --> 00:56:43,240
Yeah, we love it. It's part of
my you know what? It's great for

959
00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:45,760
travelers, because you and I,
everything changes every day,

960
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,860
but the one thing that is
consistent is the

961
00:56:47,860 --> 00:56:51,340
bucks. Yes, baby, I love it,
buddy. Thanks again,

962
00:56:51,340 --> 00:56:53,560
man. Have a great day. I
appreciate your time.

963
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,540
Thank you, brother. I'll talk to
you.

964
00:56:55,540 --> 00:57:00,240
This has been the rich Redmond
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965
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