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what's going on everybody
welcome to sunday sunday
sunday night crossfit talk
it is scott it's jamie it's
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Now, catching up.
How is everybody this week?
It's the week before Thanksgiving.
That usually means things
are a little bit rushed.
But you don't celebrate
Thanksgiving like we do, Carolyn,
because you're in Canada.
Ours is just in October.
okay so yours is over yeah
ours is yeah ours is over
and ours is also on a
monday yours is a thursday
and yours is basically a
week long everyone gets off
work a lot of times like I
only get thursday off and
it stinks so I have to go
back to work on friday okay
which is yeah you have to
go back to work on friday
Yeah,
which like there'll be me and five
other people.
Yeah, that's terrible.
The volume will be very low.
Yeah,
I feel like most we mostly here in the US,
most people have Friday off
because it's Black Friday
shopping like that.
I mean, unless you're in retail,
you're off and then you're shopping.
The state government,
we've got to work for those
the taxpayers.
They we can't get a free day off.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
Lucas has Wednesday, Thursday,
Friday off school.
So just has to go to school Monday,
Tuesday.
When I was a kid, we had Wednesday,
Thursday, Friday, Monday.
Whoa.
Cause Monday used to be the
first day of buck season in Pennsylvania.
If they tried to hold school,
there'd be like three people there.
Yes.
So.
I but they've changed all
that around since I've left
so I don't even know
anything about that anymore
but I did see some um some
fun new stuff uh caitlyn
clark is part of the
ownership group that's
trying to bring soccer to
cincinnati for the women
did see that yeah
So she is really getting
ingrained into this
tri-state area of Indianapolis, Columbus,
Cincinnati, that little triangle.
It's nice to see that she's
in a position already in
her career to be able to
dive into some investment
stuff for other female sports.
So that's cool.
Yeah.
So that's cool.
It's super exciting.
I know Andrew Sten is like a major, um, uh,
Cincinnati FC fan.
So I'm curious to know what
he thinks of all that.
Um, oh, there's mama Switzer.
I still get Monday off.
Nice.
So there we are.
Um, I was, uh, watching football today.
Of course.
Um,
I was talking to Lex briefly and she
said her forty niners and
just sent me poop emojis.
She's not having a good day,
and they have nobody left
on their roster.
They're hurt, so hurt.
It's not even the same team
as last year at this point.
It's just not comparable.
The Lions kept rolling and rolling.
It didn't look great, though,
if I'm being completely honest.
I had that game on my second TV.
I thought the Colts looked good,
but they just couldn't get
it in the end zone.
When they would get down to the red zone,
they couldn't score.
Like they would take it down the field.
Great.
And then, and we just got lucky.
I feel like it was.
And the bears don't know what luck is,
man.
I was ruined for you.
Oh, thanks, John Young.
I forgot he's a Vikings fan.
And just like the past few weeks,
the Bears do just enough to
get me back in the game,
the sliver of hope,
just to snatch it away at the end.
I mean,
the first team to actually do this
successful onside kick.
Yeah,
the first team to get an onside kick
this year.
There's my hope.
And then they score the
field goal to tie the game.
And then they come out and
just Lex's poop emoji, their first series,
total poop emoji,
and then have to punt to
the Vikings and couldn't stop them.
Oh, I'm so mad.
Yeah.
But such is life.
I think this is just going
to be the story of my
Sundays the rest of the year.
Well, let's hope.
I mean, for my sake next week.
Well, that's a Thursday.
I know.
Who do the Lions play next Thursday?
All the Bears.
On our Thanksgiving holiday.
Thanksgiving.
That's a big one.
I didn't watch any football
today except for when I got,
so I redid my level two this weekend.
And when I got home,
I saw the score of the
Niners game when I think
they were in the fourth quarter.
And I was like, nope, switch that.
And then the reps ahead was starting.
And I was like, perfect.
Yeah.
So where do we want to start tonight?
Because there's a lot to talk about.
There's a lot.
I guess you want to start
with the CrossFit season.
Okay.
So I'm sure everybody has seen it.
I will tell you that I have
not been able to watch other shows.
I watched a little bit of Spin yesterday.
Um, but honestly I fell asleep.
I was, I was,
I was watching it getting
ready for bed and I just was exhausted.
And so I read through it
very vigorously and I think I got it.
Um, so what we have learned is, um, the,
the new season will have a
three week open, just like it always has.
Um, and I'm going to,
I'm going to pull this up from my notes.
Pretty much the same time as normal.
Yeah.
Not much change there.
So I'm going to blow this up.
This kind of talks about all
the different divisions.
If you haven't seen this already,
this is on the press
release that came out from CrossFit.
Can you turn that down a little?
The open is from February
twenty seventh to March seventeenth.
Um, then from there,
no more quarterfinals.
You're going straight to an
in affiliate semifinal and
they use the word affiliate, not online.
So I'm assuming this is a,
an effort to push
everything back to the affiliates, right?
This was announced first at
an affiliate gathering.
And the feedback I've seen
from affiliate owners has
been very positive that
they're doing this.
Okay.
So the in-affiliate
semifinal is April twenty
fourth through April twenty seventh.
That is four days for individuals.
I'm sorry.
That's for teams.
It's May first through four
days for individuals.
And that's a little bit
shorter than it's been the
last couple of weeks, at least last year.
Remember last year was like forever,
like six days or?
Yeah.
Was it Wednesday through Monday?
Yeah, it was a lot last year.
Everybody was saying it was way too much.
it was like a day or yeah
for four workouts or
whatever and you had like
six days it felt like a
long time so this year it's
may first to may fourth and
then for individuals you
also have the option uh to
do an in-person qualifying
event um people are calling
them sanctionals um and
that can run anywhere from
april through june which is weird
That I'm just curious,
like what the qualifying
process looks like for those?
Are they using the semi,
like the certain amount of
semifinal athletes,
like wherever their placement is?
And let's say,
is there a maximum that
people can compete in?
Like, is it three?
And then how do they figure
out who they're inviting?
Do they just go down the
list from one all the way?
So if you read the full document,
there is no maximum that
you can compete in.
If it's physically possible,
you could compete in every single one.
But you're saying that just
because you're in the... Is
it top-thirty get to compete in any?
Top-one-thousand?
Do you know what I mean?
Making it in the one percent
in previous years, I don't know,
for the females,
it might be a thousand
people making it to the next round.
Let's call it maximum fifteen hundred.
I don't think we'll have as many sign-ups,
but
like,
is it the top one hundred get these ones?
And then it's just how how
that qualifying process
will work is just interesting to me.
So reading the document,
it is the top one percent
move to semis and they
compete from there.
They are taking the top
anywhere from fifteen to
twenty to the games.
And I don't like that they
don't even know a number.
Like, oh,
we're going to be doing – maybe
we're doing fifteen.
Maybe we're doing twenty.
Who knows?
Because I lost my spot the
one year at the games.
I thought I was in in twenty-twenty,
and then I lost it.
If you have those rules, just – Well,
I don't think they know
what the in-person events are.
Right.
I think that's exactly right.
And the events qualify
either one or two people
depending on the strength of the field.
Yeah.
And how many even agree to
I mean,
because it sounds like you have to
have done the Open to, like,
you can't just go sign up for,
let's pretend Wadapalooza is one,
which it isn't, obviously,
because it's not in April to whatever.
But pretend Wadapalooza is one.
And this is where I feel
like a lot of these
competitions won't want to participate.
If you have to use the Open
as your qualifier,
some of these comps use a
big qualifier to make their money.
So if they're getting rid of
their opportunity to do a
qualifier because it's off
of the open placement,
now maybe they can still do
a qualifier for their,
maybe it's a big enough,
decent size enough comp
that there's an RX category and teams.
And so they'll have like an
online qualifier,
make a little bit of money,
but their elites are chosen
out of the open.
I guess I can see where it
would work a little bit, but.
I mean, yeah, Carolyn's right.
Do you have to be in the top
one percent to even apply?
It's just confusing, right?
I get there's a lack of information,
but...
Because these, let's call them sanctionals,
sanctional events,
they need to make their money somehow.
It's just like,
how many invites are they going to give?
And then maybe the rest is
through an online portion.
If you're a semifinal
athlete looking to do a particular one,
but there's people ahead of
you that are already in those, let's say,
five spots or invite or ten spots,
and you still want to do that,
you've got to do an extra
qualifier before.
There's just so many...
It's just messy.
It's very messy.
But I think that this is par
for the course.
This is where we've been for years.
Every year,
there's something new to make it messy.
And while I like sanctionals
because it gave us
something to talk about every week almost,
I hated the messiness of
who got to the games.
Mm-hmm.
Well,
because this person already qualified,
we can move to number two.
Wait, they're already qualified.
We're moving to number three.
It just got, it gets really messy.
And when, when COVID hit and everybody,
they,
they pulled things back and people
lost spots they were given.
And that was crap too.
Right.
But it's like,
I think I remember during
that period of time,
and maybe you guys can
correct me if I'm wrong,
you would do the open,
but let's say I wanted to
do the Brazil CrossFit
Championship at that point.
I think during the open,
I also paid a certain
amount to the Brazil
CrossFit Championship.
And I would have to post my
score on the open and on
their website to be like,
I'm looking to use this as a qualifier.
So you're almost like paying twice.
But then your name is already on that.
And it's like, you chose that one.
You can't just like further down the road,
be like, Oh, can I get an invite there?
It's like, Oh,
well you didn't pay for it at that point.
I wonder if like anything
like that will take place.
If that makes sense.
I doubt it.
Yeah.
I think until those are identified, we're,
we're flying blind.
Yeah.
So let's get through some of
the nuts and bolts real quick.
And then we'll talk about
the overarching concerns.
And that is now when you do
your in an affiliate semifinal,
you must have an L one
judge and the judge must
take the advanced judges course.
In addition to the judges
course that already existed,
but that judges course now
lasts for three years.
Yeah, I do like that.
I think that's good.
I do.
I like that too.
The sanctionals will send a minimum of ten,
maximum of fifteen spots to the games.
Again, we talked about that briefly.
Several sanctional events
and no limit to the amount
of entries will qualify one
or two men and women to the
games depending on the size
of that sanctional.
Like that's nothing.
When you start thinking about it,
one to two,
if a bunch of people just want
to go to the same one, that's crazy.
They're only giving thirty
spots to the games this
year instead of forty.
Does it still say a minimum of thirty?
Or does it say thirty?
It says thirty.
Only thirty spots will be
given to the games.
Where the qualifier is,
depending on the sanctionals,
it could be fifteen it could
be ten so the open could be
fifteen or twenty or maybe
twenty-five who knows if
they don't have enough
sanctionals maybe they go
twenty-five um uh lex says
the judges course probably
it'll cost more to last for
three years and john young
said it's only thirty okay
Yeah, I don't love that.
The decrease in spots?
Yeah.
The only good thing of this
newer part is... I mean,
it's good and bad.
Actually, I don't know.
Because you're going to
get... There's no more
regional representation.
I still think it's important to do...
competitions in each region
to allow local development
like or global development
I should say um but you you
may end up you're gonna get
in my opinion better
athletes ideally to the
games um but you don't you
still don't want to lose that
global push to increase the level.
That's why I think you can
still do those competitions in Africa,
for instance,
where they have a chance to qualify,
but then someone from North America,
Europe,
could still make the trip there
and then grab that spot.
I just think
People are like,
you're constantly looking
at like the history of the
top forty and you're like,
there's always ten people
who don't matter.
Well,
that's because of the way you
qualified people in.
And so it didn't matter if
you would do this and still
allow forty and actual the
top forty got there.
It would actually be a
really exciting off.
all four heats of ten I I
mean I I just I hate that
you're just dropping it off
because the bottom ten
don't matter we haven't
given it a shot where the
actual top forty made it to
see and then decide like
yeah we really don't need forty there
Yeah,
I think they're taking away the region.
And even more than just, you know,
Africa getting a
representative and Asia
getting two representatives or whatever.
What it also does is the
stacked regions like North
America East will get the
right number of people in
because they qualified to get in.
Through an online competition.
Most of them or Europe or
Europe dominates like they did last year.
And depending on the
workouts and like how many
workouts will be on the
online portion and what is
the equipment that's going
to be released that these
athletes are going to need?
Is the echo bike going to
make an appearance?
Are, are,
you know, certain equipment that you're,
you traditional
traditionally see in
quarterfinals and other, you know,
the open,
like if you're only inviting the
top one percent, I'm assuming they,
they would assume that they
have access to more
equipment than you can
normally do online.
But then you also have to
think about representation
and not everyone has an
echo bike in South America or, you know,
something, but it'll just be interesting.
Yeah, so moving on, uh,
thirty or twenty teams will get in, uh,
instead of,
I think it was thirty-some last year.
Uh, twenty teams,
only one team per affiliate, uh,
which is a big change.
That means Invictus only gets one,
Oslo only gets one, um,
and I was reminded that
there was really only one
from Cookville Mayhem last year.
Is the Barn different than...
I don't know.
I think the other ones were
actually in other parts of the world.
They just use the name.
Right.
Well, yeah.
The Latin America team or whatever.
I guess they're still South America.
I don't know how that works, but yeah,
I don't, I don't think that matters.
Like, yeah.
One from per affiliate is totally fine.
You're going to pick your
top four best people to
represent your affiliate.
And that's all you really
need there anyway.
Age group and adaptive will
still be hosted by Legends, Pit,
and Wheelwod.
Age groups top two percent
move on to the semi instead
of one or a minimum of two hundred.
Which is a factor in the
sixty plus and sixty five plus.
No number given for game spots.
I know.
Are we assuming it's the
same as last year?
Cause it's run by the same people.
I don't know.
I hope they shrink it a little.
I kind of hope they shrink it.
I kind of hope that they're
in talks like pit and legends are,
I highly doubt this is happening,
but I hope they're in talks
to find a venue together
and combine it and have
like your normal or whatever,
figure out the heat size.
That makes sense.
Um,
Yeah,
they they need to fix that because
even separate weekends
isn't great for traveling and.
getting these people to different events.
Like they need to be in one unit.
And what's so difficult
about watching the age
group is that there are so
many age group and to go
through the same damn workout is so long.
It's long on us, the viewers,
it's long on the commentators.
Um,
like there's just so many divisions
doing the exact same thing.
It's, it's, it's a lot.
Yeah.
I will say that is the one
good thing about separating
masters and teens is it
sort of breaks that down a little bit.
Um, but I just think for,
for the sport to grow,
like families need to be
going to those competitions
together and adults seeing
the kids and the kids seeing the adults.
And yeah, I,
My thing,
I actually hated at first the
three floors at Legends,
but it actually turned out
to be a good thing because
people could bounce from
one event to another
throughout the day and not
have to watch the same event all day.
So that actually made that kind of cool.
But I digress.
Season goes open and affiliate.
We already talked about that.
Additionally,
there'll be a pairs
competition that will
happen after the season,
but it's based on open performance.
Yeah.
basically your um your level
so like your pair is
competing against another
pair of like similar level
and I mean that that idea
is just to generate more
money for them really it's
just uh that's their
quarter final because it's
right like it's basically
right after um the open
No, the Pairs is at MFC.
It's October.
That's the finals, right?
Yeah.
But it's additional money.
No,
you would just sign up for... I think
you're thinking the Community Cup.
Yeah,
the Community Cup is... It's
different than Pairs.
Yeah, the Pairs is... You can take...
you can take one.
We don't even know if it's same sex.
I'm actually guessing
they're going to have all of the above.
You can pair up with someone
based on your open
performance and then wherever you fit,
you will be moved.
You have the opportunity to
go compete for like a
championship at masters
fitness collective
championship championship.
I know it's,
they changed their name in October.
So that can be done there as well.
and it kind of alludes to
like things that were
talked about before the
games this year where, uh,
Dave was thinking about
moving a teams type thing
after the games.
And I think this is it with
pairs instead of, um, instead of, uh,
like a four person team or
six person team.
Like we knew it.
Right.
Um,
And then the Community Cup
is new in twenty twenty five.
All athletes compete in the
open and submit scores for
all workouts will be able
to continue their season in
their affiliate with a new
competition called the Community Cup.
It will be a unique format
for local athletes to
compete against their peers
based on their level earned
during the open.
I feel like this is just
basically taking the
quarterfinals and moving it
to this part of the season.
Except for it's not the top
twenty five percent.
It's everybody.
Yeah,
but how many people are going to I mean,
I guess it gives everyone a shot.
But then you feel like level one, baby.
There you go.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's for money.
Yeah, I mean, so was quarterfinals.
And there's a lot... I've
seen a lot of commentary,
like people posting that
they're sad about this change,
that they were basically like...
percentile last year or or
twenty six or whatever but
like they were they were
excited to do better this
year and make it into
quarterfinals and they feel
a little bummed that that
got taken away from them so
hopefully I mean hopefully
those people sign up and
take part in this community cup like
I think that's why, like, it's there,
right?
Because it's like there's some people,
even beginners, right, that do the open,
get hooked,
and they're looking for something else.
And all of a sudden now they
do this competition with
people at their own level
and they get to continue a little bit.
And it's something for them to do.
Mm-hmm.
Um, Larry young says, well,
this is a first for me,
but I'm not mad at it.
More people would be nice,
but it did fix a lot of
problems like weak regions, big gyms,
dominating teams.
I just wonder about the open programming.
I think a lot of people do.
If you're going straight
from the open to finals,
like it's gotta be different programming.
From the open to what?
To the semifinals?
I mean,
one percent to me is still quite a bit.
I don't know.
A thousand something,
you're not missing any of
the games athletes that are worthy there.
Unless someone was injured, very sick,
and just did the bare
minimum at a workout...
the top athletes should be
in the top one hundred or
one percent to make it on
with three workouts with
four workouts I I believe
that I agree I I don't I I
think if you would have
looked at the top one
percent from last year's
open you would have been
fine with who moved on uh
dryer dagger says I am
probably going to win the
crossfit games now I'm happy for you man
Uh, I'm going for the level one champ.
Uh,
Denise Moore is I'm super happy that
quarters are going away for the masters.
We just had way too many
online qualifiers last year.
Yeah.
I know following it was a lot,
so I can't even imagine
doing it that many, that many times.
Well, for the teams as well as one point,
it was like,
fifty percent of the teams
moved on or something.
It was like,
there was barely any cuts at some point.
And I was like, okay, just cut that part.
And yet,
Jamie's team got cut because... I know.
We were literally like... Sorry, Jamie.
I mean, in the West region,
it was like all you had to
be was like the top eighty
percentile and you moved on.
It was a little bit tougher
in the East region,
but I think I take my comment back.
I feel bad now.
Not everyone made it through.
The East region is a tough region.
If it's going to be a region,
you're not going to make it.
It's it's ours.
Larry actually says some
people made it to quarters,
couldn't do all the movements.
That has happened at semis.
We've had live in-person
semis where people have
made it and couldn't do all the moves.
But that's making sure that
there's a continuum in the
programming and that
whatever you're programming
in the open is actually
weeding out the people that
won't be able to do the next part of
the qualifiers right like if
there's no connection
between the open and the
next phase and it's just
like brand new workouts
like it you're gonna get
people that they get stuck
one thing that that we
didn't really go into a
whole lot is part of the
the solution to that is the
new requirements for a
judge and you have to post
your videos online
And they get judged by all
the qualifying people that
have the level one and the judges course,
and they can go online and
review the videos.
Finally, how long have I been saying this?
Is this only for the top one
percent or this work with
every qualifying division?
Because I don't think every
single person that does the
open necessarily need to do their videos.
But it's like if you're
looking to move on to that next phase,
then.
Well, I think even for the open, Scott,
like you can't be in the
top one percent if you
didn't submit three videos.
Like, I mean, I sure hope that.
Because I think that it's
for the in-person affiliate
semifinals is where the
judge requirement gets dropped.
But I'll need to reread it.
I read it on Friday and it's
been two days.
So I'll go back and check.
You got to get people in
that mindset out the gate.
Like if you're doing the
open and you're planning on
making it straight to,
I understand what you're saying, but,
but we can't have a hundred
and twenty five thousand videos.
Not even more that like three times that.
polluting the, and then you're,
you're reviewing me who has
no shot at making it,
but who's going to review you?
No, like that's the thing.
How are you going to
separate everyone that is
around you and the,
and the leaderboard probably reviews you.
That's what I would think.
Like if you're in the two thousand,
I feel like the people
right around you are
looking at your video.
If you're in the one hundred thousand,
you don't have an L one and
don't have the ability to do it.
So when you submit a video and that's fine,
I'm saying if you are
planning on being in the
top one percent and you
want to move on to the in-person,
you better have submitted a video.
If you didn't and you're you
finished fiftieth in the open.
Sorry.
Where's your videos?
No,
you actually get to win the workout
worldwide.
And we get to give you two
thousand twenty four dollars.
That's how we prevent that happening.
Don't worry about it.
Again.
Oh, that's how we prevent that happening.
You did that workout?
Oh, okay.
We believe you.
Here's the worldwide win.
I think they've removed that this year.
Hopefully.
Hopefully.
So everyone posts their video.
Like everyone can see it,
but only people with level
one in the advanced course
could judge on it.
Is that what we're getting at?
It's like I could see other videos.
Yeah.
I obviously have that certification,
so I could technically judge.
So this was this used to be
the case back in like.
Fifteen or sixteen, seventeen,
somewhere there.
Been the case where and then
if you took the judge's course,
you actually had the
ability to to actually put a score.
Yep.
Right.
Not everybody has that ability.
You have to take the judge's course.
Correct.
You go through a certain
portal to be able to do that.
Do you think that when you judge a video,
do you think that when you judge a video?
your name should come on it
or you should be able to
judge anonymously.
Um, I think, I don't,
I think your name should go on there.
I think so too.
I don't have a problem either way.
Um,
cause people can go on and they're like,
you know, they're your competition.
They have their level one,
they have their judges
course and they're getting all like, no,
like, you know what I mean?
Like, I think that you should be able to,
if, if you're going to judge,
you also put your name behind it.
And you're like, yeah,
I'm calling you up for this.
I don't have a problem with that.
I don't either.
I think it would prevent
some people from from doing that, though,
because they're like.
I don't know, maybe I'm just thinking.
I think the other.
I don't know,
maybe we're getting too much in the weeds,
but.
Vi actually says,
I think people would be
petty and vindictive if it was anonymous.
But I don't think one vote should matter.
I don't think it will.
It's going to be like this
person got one no vote and thirteen yeses,
then they're probably going
to pass the video.
Right.
If it has thirteen no's and one yes,
then my guess is it used to be this way.
Then they took a closer look.
yeah that's yeah that's
exactly how it was yeah yep
so I I you could be
vindictive but I don't
think it's going to carry
much weight unless there's
a bunch of other votes in
your direction so and
honestly and even if like so say like
Two hundred athletes go on
and a hundred people hate
Taylor self and they
downvote his video and it's
and it's fifty fifty.
It's going to trigger
somebody at HQ to look at
that video because it's a
questionable video.
It's got a lot of votes on it.
And I would think they're
objectionable there and can see.
Yes.
Yes.
This was good movement.
And yes.
I mean, it's fine.
If enough people vote on a video,
it should trigger it to get regardless.
But like the opposite too,
like you can get your friends to vote.
Good, good.
Like that's why,
that's why I think there
should be a name behind it.
So it's not just like, Oh, who voted?
Yes.
Your affiliate, your girlfriend,
your best friend, you know,
you start looking.
I think I'm just happy about
the baby step that we're back to.
I think that's a great step forward.
And I think,
I think those requirements are good.
I'm so excited to be able to
review people's videos I'm
curious what that advanced
judges course will look
like and if they're
actually showing gray reps
and not just because I find
the judges course normally
like pretty simple and it's
like so obvious what
they're looking for in the
no rep but it's like it's
those movers that are super
fast those are the ones that
people need to get a good
eye and there's a lot of
judges out there that don't
have that eye so it's like
that's the type of movement
that need to be in that
advanced judges course I I
sometimes give people too
much credit but cross fat
has reminded me that the
internet did vote enough to
name a boat boat mcboat
face boaty mcboat face yeah
and that was done by the
internet so can I say one
more thing about the judges stuff
Sure.
Cause some people like also
don't go in an affiliate to
do the workout.
Right.
And sometimes I'll say that
they had a judge and all of
a sudden when you're
looking at the video and there's no judge,
they're actually not in
their affiliate like that.
When you have to post your video live,
like you're going to have to,
you're going to be able to
see whether they even had a
judge and all that.
Well,
I think there's going to be a
requirement to be in the affiliate.
The way I'm thinking,
how are there's a lot of lying.
There's a lot of people that are like, Oh,
right.
This person that judged me
that has their course.
Like there's a lot of people,
but now that you are posting online,
people are going to be like,
that judge is not a level one.
You're not allowed to put that.
That's not that person that
you put on your judges
course or your judges card.
You're going to get that.
People are not grabbing
actually an L one that has
an advanced course.
That,
It's going to be problematic.
But now that your video is public,
some people may know and
will call people out.
How are you going to know
where it was performed
unless you know a gym really well?
People that don't like you
or something will find that out.
But if your judge is not registered,
they don't come up when you
start typing them.
Right.
Yes.
But that's the thing is
people will you see it all the time.
People weren't even judged
and they're or they weren't
even at the affiliate and
they don't want to post
their video live for people to judge it.
So they're going to pretend
that they go to an affiliate.
They get the affiliate owner to say, yeah.
And then they put this judge.
Yeah.
And sometimes the affiliate
people don't even don't even verify.
And they're like, oh, that's a good score.
That's good score.
Sure.
This member was here.
happens all the time oh you
can put all the fail-safes
in and people are still
going to be deceptive
you're never going to pull
all of that out um because
it's a competition people
want to win yeah yeah I
mean we're going to talk
about other cheaters later
in the show um that have
popped up this week so
popped up exactly exactly popped up um
So Julia Eifert says a lot
of athletes are not going
to compete this year.
So what's the point?
It's going to be a lot of no
names there in Texas.
One, we don't know if it's in Texas.
I don't know.
They have not announced a
place for the games.
And there are a lot of
rumors saying it's not going to be Texas.
Texas doesn't want to host
the games or especially not.
Maybe not Texas,
but Fort Worth does not want that.
CrossFit to come back.
There's no way they,
they said yes with the
anticipation that it was
going to be good for their city.
They're not wanting any
association with CrossFit.
Two,
we don't know who's competing and not
yet.
Only one person I've seen
definitively state they are not.
And I've been combing
Instagram the last few days
just to see if anybody is
making that statement.
And three,
it's going to be interesting to
see what these off-season
competitions do that want
to vie to be a sanctional.
And if it has to be tied to the open,
it takes away a lot of
opportunities for people
who don't want to compete in the season.
Mm-hmm.
So it's going to there's a
lot of dominoes to fall.
And I think we just have to
wait and see what those are
before people make final decisions.
So this is the second time
Emma and Jack have been brought up.
So, you know, I'm sorry,
I was trying to hide that one.
I didn't know about this.
So Julian also says,
do you guys think since
mammoth training is going away?
Does that mean Emma and Jack
are done with CrossFit?
I don't think so.
If you watch the show last week,
we pulled up Emma's TikTok.
She is back to CrossFit training,
and she is documenting that
through her TikTok and not on, like,
Instagram or other things right now.
But you can go to TikTok and
see her account,
and she is almost daily
documenting her journey
back into CrossFit.
Mm-hmm.
And Josh, who was the Mammoth coach,
wasn't doing it full time.
He had another job.
And we don't know what the
reason was why he is no
longer going all in on this.
So he could have family
stuff that he wants to attend with.
He could have other plans of
growing something else.
I don't think it has
anything to do with Emma and Jack.
and their future in CrossFit.
I think they're going to
find someone else or
whatever option that they'll do.
Yep.
Vi says, do you think they'll join a camp?
I don't know.
I have no idea these days.
I could see Emma Lawson
going to Proven with her
relationship a little bit with Tia.
When Tia was kind of guiding
her a little bit for a couple years,
I could see that, but...
I could see her staying out of camp.
I think that would be best
for her is to stay away
from any camps and
comparison and just train and have fun.
I know she's had offers from
multiple camps and has turned them down.
Mammoth never said they were a camp.
It was just a guy training
Jack and Emma and they
brought one more person on.
who who fit the dynamic of
who was there yeah and she
just ended up following the
program and was very very
good right and then they
ended up living in a very
similar location so just
follow that is um erica
follow so just made it easy
to bring on board uh so
There's a lot.
So Lynn says, yeah,
I hope competitions will
change how they qualify
people because if they're using the open,
they're limiting their
audience of people who want to compete.
I disagree.
I mean, I think that's how it needs to be.
We need to see the effect.
I don't think one
competition at one time in
the year needs to dictate all the,
all the rest of the competitions.
I disagree with that.
Like if someone's injured at
that time of the year, if you're like,
you need other
opportunities to compete
and like the open cannot be
the qualifier for every
single thing down the road.
It can't, we cannot have one,
one weekend for the rest of
the season for every single thing.
Like if you,
that was a good part about the
Sanctuaries.
You actually didn't even
need to do the open.
Like I think Emily Rolfe had
qualified through the
Granite Games and hadn't
even done the open that year,
if I remember.
I mean, you think, if you're,
I don't think that the one
percent is going to be,
is going to hold somebody out.
And so like you have a big
pool of people able to continue on.
I still don't think one
competition needs to... It
is the epitome of what we do.
To let people not sign up
for the CrossFit Open
negates everything that we
are here to do.
We did it before.
And I think if the other
circuits for people that
are not looking to do the
Open and do any part of the
CrossFit Games season...
That, I think,
is what Lynn is talking about.
Sure.
Then you don't want to use the open.
You have the Wadapalooza qualifier.
You have a Rogue qualifier.
You have other ways to
qualify to that event.
Wadapalooza will still be there.
And Rogue is obviously going
to be probably its own
thing the way it always is.
You have these ones that are
in the other part of the
season that aren't going to
be open dependent.
And so, fine.
There you go.
If those are the ones you want to do,
then do them.
I'm kind of in between both of you.
So I see the point of you
have to decide if you want
this sport to be an
Olympic-style sport where
you have to go through this
on certain dates,
and if you don't make those dates,
you're just done?
Or do you want to be an
every-year season where
people have opportunity –
Like we talked about the Forty-Niners,
the beginning of the show.
Brock Purdy's hurt, can't play.
But if they can still
qualify for the playoffs,
he can come back in and
help them get to the Super Bowl.
So you have to decide if
Gabby McGowan can
miraculously come back from her surgery,
and it just happens to be in April.
Or Roman, for instance.
Or Roman.
And should you be allowed to jump in –
in april and have a shot to
make the games because you
were still rehabbing your
achilles in february and my
opinion is yes if you beat
out those people in april
why can't you earn the
right to go to a bigger
event after that whether
it's the games or whatever
is the next event because
it's like there can be one
path that is that way and
then there's another path
where you don't need to
Like,
I understand that people will be like,
well,
then people won't do the open
because why would they do the open?
Right.
I get that.
But I'm saying if you want to grow,
like if you're doing,
and that's the thing with
the methodology and the sport, right?
Sure.
Well,
then we need to figure that out and
separate them if that's
where we're going.
But that's not the current case.
And if we want the open to matter,
then it needs to matter.
And now it does.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah,
I think there's just dissenting
opinions on whether the
open should matter or not.
It's not going to preclude
you from doing everything.
There's going to be plenty
of events that you can
still sign up for if you
didn't do the open or are
holding out on the open.
I to me,
the open is is romanticized in my
head because it was one of
my favorite moments when I
finally had the courage to
do it in twenty thirteen.
Right.
And so do I want it to go away?
No,
I don't want it to go away and I don't
want it to lose its value.
But I'm telling you,
there is a lot of people in
this community that are at
a point where it does not matter to them.
And that's all I'm saying.
For me, I think it should matter,
and I do want it to matter.
I just,
I don't know if we're at a place where.
So overarching with all this
stuff we've talked about,
like CrossFit comes out
with all this stuff,
but we still haven't heard from anybody.
And we haven't even got into
the post third-party
investigation changes that have happened.
And we still,
the only public statement
that's been made is that an
affiliate gathering.
Right.
which is a small percentage
of the overall community.
There are a lot of people
that go into a gym every
day or follow the sport who
know nothing as to what's going on.
And no statement has been
made by anybody other than, Hey,
we're making these changes.
Here's a press release.
We don't, we, you can't ask questions.
You can't,
you can't get in more in depth
information about any of this stuff.
It's just here.
And,
I guess I shouldn't be
surprised that this is – I
keep going back and forth
in my head whether this is
strategic or it's like
being hushed by lawyers or what.
But it just seems like why
couldn't you come out and say –
Either A,
this is a summary of what the
findings were,
and this is why we're doing this.
Or, hey,
our attorneys have said we can't
really make statements
about the third party
investigation at this time.
But these are changes we're
making for the future.
Right.
So I feel like it probably isn't a legal.
It is a legal thing.
And I wish that that's how
they would have presented that.
but just throwing this out
there with no statement
really falls freaking flat.
Yeah.
And I think like when
they're talking about like,
we're going to increase this safety,
but like,
we don't even know what was in
place to begin.
Like, we don't know what has changed.
Like, what did they even have before?
Like, is it a small anchors big?
Like,
we don't even know how much money
that they have in safety before.
What are they spending now on safety?
Like, there's no comparison.
It's just kind of,
You're not going to get any
of that information, though.
We're not getting any
information on what was in
place prior and what are
the specific changes from where was at.
If they do that,
they are admitting that
they didn't have enough
safety precautions and it
would be completely used
against them by the Juket family.
Yes.
You cannot put anything out
like that that says...
Yep,
we were short here or this is where we
were.
We're going to go to here.
Well, why are you going to here?
Well,
because this wasn't enough like that
could all be used against them.
They need to just say they
can't come out with
anything for legal reasons right now.
And, you know, when things settle,
then hopefully we can come
out with more information.
They just need to be a
little bit more transparent,
like they said, of their in transparency.
But yeah,
I think Don making that promise
was foolish to begin with.
I agree.
Yeah.
You can't say you're going
to be transparent about the
whole process and stuff.
And then you come out with
that letter and hide.
You don't even, you hide,
you hide behind the letter
because you're not even going forward,
forward facing and facing any questions,
answering anything about
what you just posted.
There's nothing that States
anything really.
There's a lot of repetition
within the letter as well.
I, from my opinion.
Right.
Yeah.
Well,
I want to make sure we have time for
the hall of fame.
So I'm going to,
a lot of people have talked
about the changes.
Um, and just a brief summary of, um,
what the changes were,
are they're creating a new
position that reports to
Don and Dave that their
responsibility will be the
safety of the CrossFit games.
Um, to me, that was the biggest F you.
Like you start your letter.
Sorry, I don't, but like it was,
it was just like,
we are going to report the
safety to Dave Castro.
Like when you look at what
the demands were of the PFA and that's,
that's the first thing that you, that you,
that's the first name that you drop.
Like that is the biggest F
you to the athletes that are.
And a close second is that
they created an athlete council that,
in competition with exactly
what they had just done.
Yep.
So they said that the new
person's reporting to Dave and Don,
that Dave is still the head
of CrossFit sport,
that the new athlete
council will be there to
help guide them in safety
measures and all of that stuff.
The same thing that the PFA
has promised to do.
And now, like you know darn well,
Lex was a member of that a while ago,
and they weren't used like
they should have been.
No,
they had meetings and stuff and like
they would talk about like
good things and interesting
things to put into place.
It just ended up stopping right away.
Like it just didn't last very long.
It was like the idea was there,
but the execution on some
of the promises just weren't there.
And that's a theme with
CrossFit is there's a lot
of great ideas and then
there's no follow through.
You know,
we're going to do the service open.
Boom.
It stops.
It's like, Oh, we've got to bring it back.
Like, Oh,
we're going to do this competition.
We're going to do the, like,
there's a lot of great
ideas within the space,
but then there's just a lack of execution,
a lack of consistency within our sport,
within things that we want to implement.
And the changes just make it
that there's such a lack of
trust within the organization.
Like there's just,
you don't know what you're
getting from year to year.
There's like,
constant changes at the top.
And so, so we have those two things,
those three things.
We have the safety council
now that's being formed.
That's a group of, um,
first responders and athletes, uh,
to go over safety protocols, uh,
that an ambulance and an
EMT staff will now be
present for all events at
the CrossFit games.
Um,
And I think that's pretty much everything.
Again, a lot of people have gone over it.
We did on Thursday in the round table,
if you want to go back and
check that out.
But those structures were made.
But the biggest thing was
through the new season
structure and this release,
what I realized was that
CrossFit just unloaded all
the liability they had for
the entire CrossFit game
season onto the affiliates
and these affiliates
in-person competitions to
get people to the games
until you get to the
crossfit games that is the
only place that they're
going to be liable for
anything injury safety wise
yep I mean they can still
program stupid things but
then with with the
affiliate that don't have
the infrastructure to keep
certain athletes
safe like they could in a
more controlled environment
I guess yeah but so that's
all that um I'm just I'm
kind of curious to see if
this one percent like how
many people make it like
will there be little like
local like a one big town
crossfit gym bring like
eight different gyms
together I mean because you
realistically there's
probably gonna be like
couple people out of you
know a bunch of gyms in an
area so like do they get
together and try to pull
like a you know like the
saban group of semi-finals
last year and make these
like little this weekend
pop up like huge I think it
could be sweet if you have
these that weekend if you
have a bunch of gyms that
like are willing to stand
up and bring a big a big
group of people in
make it a little competition
and gym I mean that's how
you're gonna get your best
effort too I think it could
be sweet but I think it's
putting a lot on affiliate
owners I was just about to
say that yes but for an
affiliate like like
honestly like I'm trying to
think about around me how
how many people this is
going to are going to be
able to qualify and it's
not a lot and so like
I think the couple of us
that might make it probably
do need to get together and
go to one gym.
So it's one,
it's a burden on one person
and it's probably one gym
that was going to do a lot anyway.
Like, like you think about it,
like mayhem is going to do
is going to cater to
whatever they need to anyway.
So mayhem will probably
become a Mecca that weekend for a bunch.
I mean,
I bet you a lot of people travel to
mayhem to do it there
because it will be done.
Right.
Um, I, I,
I actually think this is
unburdening a lot of affiliate owners,
quite honestly.
Quarterfinals was a burden.
And you are unburdening a lot.
And so one gym needs to step
up and bring in a handful
of athletes and make a weekend out of it.
And it could be like so
exciting for the members.
Like you're, you are now have like,
I may have to go to a gym.
Forty miles from me,
but hopefully there's two other people.
And I may like get some new
fans out of this.
Like that gym might like
create a little local
hometown feel that people
show up that weekend and
cheer for the four of us
that are competing.
Yeah,
I think that's discussions for the
next few weeks.
Of course, I've said this,
that I would try to copy
what Savan did and do a
live stream of the
semifinals to give people
some exposure because the
athlete's losing that
exposure from semifinals.
where they might be able to
get a sponsor or something like that.
But I think we can discuss
that in the future weeks.
Right now, I just think, like,
not much has been said.
There's two press releases that came out,
very vague,
and nobody to ask questions of.
And the chat's just
basically all saying the
trust for HQ is gone.
And that was waning anyway.
In the sports side, it's been gone for,
I think,
while and then what happened
at this past game was like
even more like that was
like the the end of the
trust for yeah a lot and
denise yes I do know where
the water comes from and
how it gets into my house
because it comes from a
hole in my ground I don't
have to trust the city and
I have a well so I don't
nobody's cleaning it up for
me before it gets into my house
So in the next three minutes,
let's go over reps ahead
five that happened.
I thought it was the best
version of reps ahead so far.
It was a tournament style.
where on Saturday there were four matches.
On the men's side,
there was a Tudor Magda
versus Cole Grishaber.
And then there was James
Sprague versus Malachi Bennett.
And they were seeded based
on performance throughout the year.
And then on the women's side,
it was Trista Smith versus Zoe Warren.
And then Ariel Lowen versus Rachel Noel.
The winners of those matches
on that day won two thousand dollars.
And it was bar muscle ups,
burpee box overs and clean and jerks.
Seven, five, seven, six, five.
Yes.
Seven, six, five.
And Tudor came out like a
house on fire and had a
total meltdown where Cole
was then able to overtake him,
which I thought was really exciting.
Yeah, it was.
Tudor was going for the early knockout.
I know.
And then, but he just couldn't.
And that's what makes these
exciting when this, that happens.
If someone was like delusional,
like it was, it got bad.
I was like, damn.
I know his legs were given out.
He went in a hole.
Yep.
Yeah.
James Sprague and Malachi Bennett.
It was just James Sprague
had better bar muscle ups
and was able to string them
together faster and
eventually just overtook
him for the knockout.
And then on the women's side,
Trista Smith and Zoe Warren
had a really good battle.
And then Trista saw an opening.
And actually,
you thought Zoe was going to get her.
And somehow Trista had like
a little second wind and
was able to come back and beat her.
I thought that was a great match to watch.
Because I thought Trista or
Zoe had the win.
And she ended up dying worse
than Trista did earlier.
And Trista was able to come
back and get the win.
Yeah.
I was messaging Lex at that
last night and we were
watching and I was after
the third round because
Trista had the early lead
in the first two rounds.
And then she kind of just
looked like she was just
fading in that third round and really,
really struggling.
And then you had the,
the lead change all of a
sudden at the flip flop
fully in that third round.
And I'm like, Oh, Trista is done here.
She's basically, it's like tutor.
And then like out of nowhere, like,
Zoe just like died.
And I was like, Oh my God,
what is happening in this workout?
Oh, to be nineteen again.
And then and then Ariel
Lowen took on Rachel Noel
and it really was not a match.
Ariel hit the gas in the second round.
And Ariel said she was
really just going at a pace
that like eighty percent.
And then she saw the
opportunity and kicked it
up to get the knockout.
So then that moved to a
championship round today of
James Sprague versus Cole Greasaber.
That one ended in the first round.
Um,
Cole's chest of our pull-ups went away
and James took that over pretty quick.
And then Ariel versus Trista
was a second round knockout.
It was rep for rep.
I know in the first round,
they look like they were
doing synchro team.
It did.
It was good.
And then in the second round, uh,
Uh,
Trista missed a snatch and that was all,
that's all Ariel needed was
to get off the barbell
first and get to the chest
of bar and she just ripped through it.
Yeah.
I actually think it's too
bad Tudor lost yesterday
because Tudor was looking
fast in this workout.
Oh, God.
If he would have had to go another round,
though,
it would have been the same thing
as yesterday.
But I think his cycle speed
is just like it looked really fast.
Yeah, because he was sprinting.
Yeah.
He was banking on winning.
He was going to be in
trouble again if he didn't win.
Just so people knew,
the losers from yesterday
moved forward to today and
got to compete for a thousand dollars.
Yeah.
So Tudor got to come back
and he took on Malachi and
he went balls to the wall again,
but he was able to hold on
long enough to get the knockout.
Zoe was replaced by Kelly Stone.
Yeah.
And she took on Rachel Noel and Rachel...
Kelly did the competition
all weekend and had no legs left,
and it was obvious pretty
quick on the box jump overs.
And so Rachel Noel and Tudor
got a grand each.
And then James and Ariel
winning overall got five grand each,
plus the two grand from yesterday.
That didn't make sense to me.
So they won seven thousand dollars.
She's like, I want I want to do one.
I know.
Right.
And then one hundred dollars
for every time someone got a knockout.
Yeah.
So they actually won seventy
one hundred dollars.
Why don't they just make the
final day the price purse?
I don't understand.
I think it was cool this way
because by winning Saturday,
you got a prize,
and then you get to go
fight for a bigger prize.
So the losers of today still
got the two grand they won
yesterday because they
didn't get anything today.
Do they get their trip paid for, too?
They do.
Damn.
That's like rogue stuff right there.
Yeah.
Pretty sweet.
Yeah, that's some good treatment.
And I was telling Jamie
before we got on the air,
Julie even watched this with me.
And she does not watch CrossFit.
So this was short enough and
exciting enough that she watched.
And so maybe they do have something.
And I like the tournament
better than the one-off.
Yep.
Yeah, I did too.
Mm-hmm.
I like yesterday's workout better, though.
I would have much rather
done yesterday's workout.
Agree.
But visually, too, though,
I thought the chest-to-bar
is such a fast movement.
Yeah.
Like, it just,
the punches were fast today.
But, I mean, maybe that's what we wanted,
though.
We don't need them to go to
the last round.
I thought the broadcast
dynamic of Brian Friend
with Andrew Hiller was interesting,
to say the least.
But I think they pulled it off.
And it was entertaining.
It was good.
They did good.
And I really love the
post-interviews of each one.
Some of them were really
breathing heavy when they were doing them,
but I thought they were done really well.
A couple other quick news items.
Katrin may or may not be retiring.
There was a leak from
Talking Elite Fitness.
And I said this on Thursday
on the Roundtable.
When we used to edit our podcast,
I was afraid of those things happening.
So I feel so bad for Talking
Elite Fitness.
I wish people didn't post that.
To me, if you see a leak like that,
you can talk about it
within your little circle
that you saw it.
To me, it's like, let that person know.
break that news I don't know
yeah she's obviously told a
lot of people so yeah but
still like I think all
three of them knew in
different from different
sources so it's it's out
there all over the place
yeah but I think if there's
a difference between the
like showing it to the
public like fully and I get
that some people would have
seen it but I don't know
yeah people all want credit
for posting the first post of that but
uh we also have some drug
suspension news uh sean
ramirez received the first
ever uh lifetime ban yes as
it should be uh and then
cristiano domeshino placed
fourth in the men's forty
five to forty nine age
group also tested positive
for performance enhancing
drugs uh and he did not
appeal so he is serving a
four-year suspension for his first uh ban
Gabby McGowan had successful
surgery on her Achilles.
Mia Hesketh announced a pregnancy.
And the PFA elected a new athlete board.
And that's been talked about
a lot if you want to go check it out.
It's an interesting cast of characters.
And I think that's good.
I think that it seems to be
people from different
backgrounds and different styles.
And I think that's good.
The more diversity you have on that,
the better.
So we are going to now do
the Clydesdale Media Hall of Fame.
We are creating the CrossFit
Games Hall of Fame.
And what I'm going to do is
I'm first going to share my screen here.
So I have this little canva here.
And what we have is twenty
two nominees for the
CrossFit Hall of Fame.
In the first year,
four members are elected.
In the second year,
three members will be elected,
and everybody else who's
not elected in the first
year or the second year
will have to wait for
another year to go through
the nomination process.
So what I'm going to do is I
have a bunch of names in
white in the white banner above.
I'm going to pull one down
and put it into the black
so you can see it.
And then Carolyn and Jamie
will have to agree on which
bucket to put it in.
Are they a first ballot Hall of Fame,
second ballot,
or they need to wait until next year?
And this is not just athletes.
It is media members and
CrossFit HQ because the
Hall of Fames have those as well.
So are we ready?
I'm ready.
First name, Sean Woodland.
I have wait till next time.
Yeah, I'll agree.
And I love Sean.
I do too.
I just, this is, this is a tough list.
I mean,
he would be first ballot if it was
in his field of media.
Like that's for sure.
uh let's do this one rich
froning first ballot
correct the only correct
the only correct answer
okay I haven't even looked
at all the names dan bailey
wait till next time yep dan bailey
Danny Broflex.
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh, uh-oh.
All right, clicked and set.
Matt Chan.
Wait till next time.
Yep.
Podium finisher and everything?
Yeah.
Titan Games winner?
Yeah.
Here.
Matt Frazier.
First ballot.
Yep.
Lynn says Dan Bailey was the
prettiest CrossFitter for a long time.
Wait, I protest.
Fair protest, Lynn.
I think Rich is the most
influential CrossFitter of all time,
and Matt is the best male
athlete of all time.
Dan was Mr. Open before he
was Mr. Broflex.
That's true.
Okay.
Let's see what else we have up here.
Noah Olson.
I have, I have them waiting until next.
Yep.
Same.
Okay.
What?
You have only seven people we can pick.
So what?
Well, I don't even remember the whole list,
so we can also move it after.
Oh, you think?
Oh, maybe.
Okay.
James Fitzgerald.
I have them waiting till next personally.
CrossFit games champion.
Yep.
Waiting till next second ballot.
All right.
You guys have to come to an agreement.
Can you put them like
between second and wait till next till we,
till we narrow down.
He's the first champ.
I just think there's people
more influential than him on the sport.
mean I get that he did the
opt I just don't think I
also think he also like who
is james exactly that's the
other thing there are
people far more influential
in the affiliate side like
so he is the first ever
crossfit games champion
james and he created opex yes
that actually competed
against CrossFit for a good
number of years.
Right.
And now his athletes are
actually participants in
the CrossFit Games,
and he is a coach and
trainer up in Canada.
Okay.
So what I'll do right now is
I'm going to just put him
right there for now.
Yeah,
I don't even know all the names coming up,
but I just feel like
I mean, he's influential.
Josh Everett.
Next time.
Next time.
I'm going to it's going to
be a murky mess over here.
Jason Kalipa.
So I have him in first ballot.
think yeah I'm between first
and second right now I
don't know what's coming up
let's we can put them in
first I guess okay all
right you want to put them
on the line yes just put
them in first we can move
after if we feel okay ben
smith I personally have
been in my in my second ballot so
You have Jason above Ben?
Correct.
I'm willing to switch those two.
I think Jason won the games
that had the least amount of workouts,
right?
Did he have... There was
only three workouts when Jason won.
To me,
like I'm willing to switch those two.
Those are the okay.
Let's let's switch Ben and Jace.
Let's put Jason in second right now.
And I guess we can keep up to four.
So I have someone else that
I think needs to go in the hall of fame.
You may disagree.
Okay.
Tommy Hackenbrook.
Wait.
team legend yeah wait till
next time sorry buddy stone
cold yeah what you're gonna
have people over here in
the chat say tommy who I
like uh wait till next time
yeah okay here we go pat
barber wait till next time
wait till next time
I dug deep for these.
I know.
You have some good ones.
I like them.
Miko Salo.
Wait until next time for me.
Oh, not like a first or second.
Nope.
Not with,
there's just too many names to pick.
Ooh, I don't know about that.
Now, tell me this.
Would you pick Miko over James?
I think he won one of the
toughest games there ever was.
still think they both need
to wait personally I think
there's other people more
influential firsts in the
chat miko is not first not
even no I have I had miko
in first in my mind with
what he did for europe
winning in my opinion one
of the toughest games there
are still so many people
who don't know who miko is
yeah that's just because
they're newer to the sport
It's like people that don't
know who Kristen Clever was.
Agree.
And I wouldn't ever pick
Kristen to be on a Hall of
Fame right now.
She may be somebody who waits and gets in,
but there are people who...
What?
Sorry.
Next week,
we're going to have fun with the women,
apparently.
I'm sorry.
I'm trying to pick people
who are still pushing the affiliate model,
still pushing people into CrossFit,
still active.
Nico Triangle.
I know.
And I just didn't meet him.
But, like, Rich,
there's a reason you have
Rich on here is because
he's still well-known in the space.
No, he won four times.
Yes,
but Rich still is well-known in the space,
and most people say he has
done the most for the sport of CrossFit.
Well, a hundred percent.
Can you say the same for Mikko?
In Europe, he did a lot.
Yeah.
He literally made European
athletes introduce him.
I'd rather boot Kalipa then
and put Mikko there.
Really?
No, I would disagree.
You're too North American based.
I just said I'd rather boot Kalipa,
get him out of there, and put Miko in.
Oh,
I thought you meant you'd rather put
Kalipa in first than Miko.
Sorry.
Yeah, I would get rid of Kalipa.
If you are stuck on Miko getting in,
I would move Kalipa and have him wait.
There's space for Kalipa and Miko.
Yeah.
No, there isn't.
Let's pull them between first and second.
You didn't even have them.
You had them wait till next time.
Yes, there's other people that belong on.
OK,
so let's meet in the middle then at
least.
So let's put them in the second.
Then I want to pull Jason.
I'm going to tell you that right now.
Well, when we have them full,
we will pull.
OK.
Dave Castro, I have him in first ballot.
carolyn any thoughts I'm
thinking he invented the
games exactly right yes for
the creation of the I guess
I'm all with the athletes
right now I don't
I I mean I just don't think
I it's it's hard to say he
I understand you're in an
athlete mindset but like
dave is synonymous with the
games yeah there would be
no games without dave I
mean I'm in for oj simpsons
in the football hall of fame
You don't have to love him.
Doesn't mean he doesn't
deserve to be there.
She said she agrees first.
Okay.
Do we have any left?
Yeah, you've got a couple left.
Adrian Bosman.
No, I have him waiting personally.
I have the athletes on the mind right now.
I don't want any.
That's fine to me.
It's it's wait till next time.
Arm and hammer.
Wait till next time.
I do love him, though.
Man, I watched him all the time.
I mean,
he just was the originator of he was.
Yeah.
Graham Holmberg.
Wait till next time.
Same.
He was one of the only people to beat Rich,
right?
Yeah.
The only person to beat Rich.
Well,
Tommy Hackenberg on this list beat
him in team.
That was Adrian Conway's team.
Was it?
Yeah.
I think it was Tommy's team.
I have Brent in my second ballot, so...
But I'm willing,
he'd be somebody I'd be
willing to move if you are
so partial to Miko or James over Brent.
I would, I mean,
Brent has how many podiums?
That's my thing.
Six.
No, three podiums, three fourth place.
But I have somebody else
that I would... That's
pretty hard to beat.
How many years was he there?
I still have somebody else that I want.
I would agree with Vahir.
Maybe just too early for
Brent because he's just out
of competing and normally
we'd wait a little bit for
some of the newer ones or some of the...
Fair enough.
I'm okay.
The ones that have been
there for a little bit,
like his time will come
within the next couple of years.
I'm okay with that.
That's fair.
Okay.
Let's go wait till next time.
That's who I have in my,
in my second ballot.
Again, for me,
he's somebody who with the family,
with the affiliate, like he's pretty,
He was a namesake for me,
and I think he still pushes
what CrossFit is.
Him and his wife,
I love watching their stories.
To me, Brent's above Scott, though.
Yeah, but Scott's been out longer.
I had thirty-seven fourth-place finishes.
What's that?
Scott had thirty-seven
fourth-place finishes.
That's what it seems like.
I don't know to me.
I'd still have Brent above Scott.
So Scott, wait till next time.
I think Scott can wait, but that's me.
Well, I mean, you still have.
So who would you rather have
in there in the second
ballot for your third person?
She wants to see all the names.
That is all the names.
No, there's two more.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah, she's not going to want them.
Josh Bridges.
It's a wait for me.
He's closer to me to second
ballot than Scott.
I mean,
he has a pretty big social media
following.
He has his podcast.
He has The Rogue.
He's got to pay the man.
For me, when I was picking people like
I'm looking for people who
own an affiliate and have pushed that.
And that's where, like, Ficality is.
Are we talking about the
affiliate or the sport now?
That's two different things.
We're talking about the affiliate.
To me, they're one and the same.
The true ones, like Froning, how he has –
Meshed it together.
Like that's what I want to see.
And that's how I think we grow is those,
those Meccas are huge.
Lynn says hall of fame isn't
based on family dynamics, though.
It's contribution to the sport.
Put them between when he
says Scott never makes the hall of fame.
No, Scott will.
I'm just thinking.
So what are we doing with Josh?
I would assume he's waiting.
I would think you would even
put James Fitzgerald over him, right?
I have James above him,
but I'm thinking Kalipa out right now.
That's why.
But Kalipa was like very
influential as well.
Yep.
So, Clint, he says,
only champions make the
first round of Hall of Fame.
Right now,
the only people in the ballots
are champions.
Correct.
Well, I mean,
Dave Castro is not a champion.
That's true.
Josh Bridges is not a champion.
Right.
Right.
We got to get through this, guys.
Let's go wait till next time for Josh,
just because we do have
champions minus Dave.
And we have two more names.
Chris Spieler.
Wait.
Wait.
Although he was very
influential for the small people.
Kyle Casper.
Wait.
Carolyn.
Wait.
Yeah.
Okay.
So we're going to put James.
I think that's everybody.
So now we have champions.
Brent.
We'll take James.
James.
Yep.
At least you don't have
anyone that didn't win the games in here.
Yep, there you go.
Minus the obvious.
But he created the games.
Yeah.
And advance a sport in so many,
like the programming,
the... I think about this
Hall of Fame as it should be athletes.
There should be another category.
But Don Cherry's in the NHL Hall of Fame.
Um, wasn't he a player?
Well, he's known more for his mouth,
right?
Yeah.
Um, but there's, there's sports,
there's a media people in
all the hall of fames.
There are commissioners.
There are,
that's why I added those people in there.
They should get like a first
or second ballot,
but I wanted it to be an option.
Like to me, I would rather, uh,
Keep the first ballot, second ballot,
like the first Hall of Fame
class to the athletes,
and then you start
introducing personalities
and stuff like that.
But the guy who invented it,
it does make sense.
I mean,
the inventor of football is not in
the Hall of Fame.
I don't know.
The inventor of hockey.
Well, Greg isn't in it.
He's the inventor of CrossFit.
You're talking about the
inventor of games.
The games, yeah.
But the guy who started the Super Bowl is.
There you go.
So anyway,
so our final list is first
ballot is Rich Froning, Matt Fraser,
Ben Smith, Dave Castro.
Second ballot, Jason Kalipa, Miko Salo,
James Fitzgerald,
and then a whole bunch of
people in Wait Till Next Time.
Right.
Including Josh Bridges, Sagat Pancek,
and Brent Fikowski,
who seem to have the most
love of the people who got
Wait Till Next Time.
Agreed.
but that was fun.
So next week we're going to
do it with the women,
which I think it may actually be tougher.
Yeah.
Other than Tia,
there's no like long stretch champions.
I mean, Katrin Annie.
Yeah.
That's two wins.
It'll be tough.
I think there's going to be a few.
We definitely don't agree on.
Okay.
Julie Boucher has got a few podiums.
There's a lot of names.
Voight Miller.
Sam Briggs.
Clever.
I think there's some good
options in there.
Yeah.
So I will put together the list.
Again,
it'll be people who are retired or
who I know are retired.
Female coaches.
I mean,
right now we're just doing anything,
I guess.
Why did you not put coaches?
Because coaches are kind of a new thing.
And none of them are really retired.
Okay.
Fair.
Until the guy from Mammoth
just retired today or yesterday.
So I guess Ben Bergeron retired.
Oh, yeah.
True.
Would he take any of these seven places?
He'd be a wait.
I mean,
his programming was so influential.
Like, like what's everyone did.
Everyone looked at the calm train program.
His, he did play a role in, you know,
coaching two champions.
Like there's so many.
And yeah, it's people,
people could argue his position on.
Yeah.
His influence in the space.
Like,
During those years, it was huge.
I agree.
He had incredible influence in the space.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think this was fun.
Yeah.
And we'll rack it up again
for next week for the women.
And if you guys can think of
anything else you want to
play a game with like this,
we'll do that throughout the offseason.
And I like when Jamie and Carolyn fight.
that's what the goal is I
just think my definition of
this is different agreed
like I I want to see the
athletes there like I think
there's something wrong
when we don't have all the
athletes in here for the
first ballot to me if you
think we're wrong uh leave
a comment in down below and
I will check those out and
read those this week and
maybe we'll come back next
week and review that before
we hit the women
Any comments that you guys
may leave about who we
picked to make the Hall of Fame?
It looks like John Young
left because you know he
would have had opinions on all of this.
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