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Maarten!

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Lisa,

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prima!

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lezen,

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bizar.

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Vertel.

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kweekvlees.

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Ah,

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kweekvlees.

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laboratorium

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gemaakt.

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Precies!

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Vind

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vinden.

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problemen

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bedoel

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Minder

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uitstoot,

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minder

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landgebruik...

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milieu

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gigantisch.

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Nederland

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grootste

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exporteurs

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landbouwproducten

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wereld.

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spelen.

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klein

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landje,

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voedselproductie

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enorm.

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eigenlijk.

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Maar

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ligt.

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wetenschappers!'

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smakelijk,

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onnatuurlijk.

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geworden.

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voedselketen

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complex.

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dierenwelzijn?

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principe

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langetermijneffecten?

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Poeh,

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ja.

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Daar

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worden.

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natuurlijk

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voorzichtig

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gezondheidsproblemen

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opduiken.

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Nee,

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Precies.

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Vertrouwen

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essentieel.

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Maar

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mensen.

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nieuwsgierigheid.

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kunnen.

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interessante

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officieel.

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eigenlijk

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Nou,

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keten.

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Ah,

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logisch.

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kunnen

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veranderen.

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Eigenlijk

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organiseren.

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Dus,

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samengevat,

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nadelen

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kweekvlees.

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Van

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duurzaamheid

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voordelen

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Ja,

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Nederland

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belangrijk

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goede

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regelgeving

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daarin

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is.

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onderwerp,

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eigenlijk

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wel.

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Zeker.

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Nou,

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dromen

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lab-burger.

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spreek

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snel

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weer!

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Haha,

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goed.

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Eet

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smakelijk

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alvast.

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volgende!

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Doei!