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You're listening to the Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Okay, Chris, Hey,

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it's gonna be a good one today. It is, of course,

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it is going to be. I
hope you brought your best game today.

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I am always functioning at my best
game. You are. Okay, Well

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that's kind of a letdown. Then
this is the best you got. I

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was trying to get you. Bring
it up a little bit. Okay,

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I have what you see. What
you see is what you get. That's

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it. That's no other better level
than this right here. Okay, Well,

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hey, today we have a kind
of a good uh segment, disap

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morning. That's the best he's got
today. People, We're sorry, so

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uh today we have a mail Bags
episode mail Bags and So. It says

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from Susie M and Susie M.
Hey, Susim. Several episodes ago you

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two talked about the amount of weddings
you've both done, and it tended when

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you're at the reception, what's the
song that's going to have you on the

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dance floor immediately? Yeah. I
can answer this extremely quickly. I can

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answer it for you. The answer
is I don't dance, But honestly,

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it's any song your mama doesn't dance
and rock and roll. No, it's

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but it's any song that I feel
like dancing to. Honestly, I don't

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have a song like, although I
wish you're not like a dancer if I

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were to, I'm not a dancer
dance like, Oh good, it's a

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wedding reception dance. But I will
say this, I haven't heard it much

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lately, but every time there is
the chicken dance, I'm out there.

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No no, no, no,
no, no no, yeah, no,

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very sophisticated dancing advertising. Yes,
I like that. You know what,

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you don't put it because it's my
my my, No, But it's

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an Italian thing. I think it's
probably in every everybody thing, but it's

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a major in my mind. It
connects, well, I'm talking about a

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wedding reception. In my mind,
it connects to you know, in my

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I see big Italian families doing it. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's

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hysterical. Yeah yeah. So I
have never, never, one time have

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I thought I want to go dance. So it's just not my thing.

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I just but my wife loves it. My wife every time we go to

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reception, She's excited, she wants
to get out and dance, and so

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I have no real good rhythm,
not physical rhythm. I don't know why,

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which was weird because you know,
we were both athletes, right,

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but it was. It was a
weird thing. It's weird thing for me.

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But anyways, she always makes me
get out on the floor for the

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chuchhaw slide. Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, slide to the left,

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Yeah yeah, slide to the right. You know that one? Yeah,

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back y'all, yeah, yeah,
exactly. Yeah. So I can

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I can do about sixty percent of
that. I fail at forty percent,

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but I can. I can do
about sixty percent. So there's that one.

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And then anytime they do at a
James's at last, oh yeah,

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sure, then we get out on
the floor for that. So there you

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go. That's great. Yeah.
I would say. Also, just as

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a bonus response, is that I
don't go to many wedding receptions. So

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I remember one year, and I
haven't done this a lot lately, but

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one year I actually did twenty one
weddings in a wedding season. Oh wow.

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And for those of you who don't
live up north in the snow,

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wedding season up north is right around
May to septemberish, right, and just

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a few creep into May and September. But it's pretty much the summer,

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and so there's only like maybe fourteen
or fifteen weeks here to play with.

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I did twenty one weddings in that
a lot of time. Wow, And

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of those twenty one weddings, the
number of receptions I went to is zero.

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Oh wow, yeah, because can
you imagine going to twenty one wedding

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receptions, right, especially when you
had kids at home? Yes? Right,

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So so unfortunately I do a lot
of weddings. Well now I probably

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only do like eight or nine a
year currently, just because we have so

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many pastors and yeah, so many
people like other pastors better than us.

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Yes, that's correct, that's correct. Let me see which one do we

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want? Not Chris, not Jeff. But but but I think I think

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I may go to one reception this
this whole year. Yeah, so,

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well we were just at a reception
together. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay,

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so maybe two so one of our
one of our staff members had a

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wedding and so we were there.
But yeah, I'm thanks for bringing that

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up, Susie M. Yes,
you just made us both uncomfortable. I

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feel like CZM has written in before. Well anyways, so that's a good

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question. Yeah, sure, yeah, I don't do nearly as many weddings

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as as Chris does anymore for me, uh and I hate to do this,

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but because of my travel schedule,
I can't ever lock anything in before

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like three three months out, and
most brides want things locked in twelve months

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out, and so they'll say,
hey, we either want Jeff or Chris

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or Kyle or Kevin right, and
then they'll put me on the list,

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and then you know, I'm booked. I think almost every wedding that I

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was invited to do this year I
wound up being out of country. So

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it's difficult to do that. So
far, none of the brides will let

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me do it by zoom. Right. I love that, right. I

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could just be sitting there on the
airplane on the airplane, do you bob

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take? But anyways, can't do
it, so they won't let me do

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it by zoom. So is that
legal? I don't know. I guess

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it would be. I don't know. Yeah, it's crazy though to even

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think about whether that'll be legal.
So anyways, good question. Susie,

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and maybe we'll see you on the
dance floor someday. Yeah, maybe,

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so maybe show Okay, cutting a
rug it's legal if Elvis can marry you.

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Yeah, in Vegas. Pretty much
everything's legal in Vegas, dude.

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So today we are celebrating, we've
just come out of the resurrection, yes,

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and uh, that's right, and
the ladies are celebrating and all these

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things. And then we're moving into
well, then he showed up on the

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road to Amis. That's correct,
he s yeah, on the road to

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Mais. And then now Jesus is
beginning to appear to his other, to

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the disciples, right, yep.
So we're gonna read from Mark, Luke

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and John. That's an odd combination. Normally it's Matthew, Mark, and

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Luke. This time it's Mark,
Luke, and John. So it says

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in Mark chapter sixteen, verse fourteen. Still later, he appeared to the

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eleven disciples as they were eating together, and he rebuked them for their stubborn

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unbelief because they refused to believe those
who had seen him after he had been

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raised from the dead. Okay,
then there's Luke twenty four to thirty six

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that says and just as they were
telling about it, Jesus himself was suddenly

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standing there among them. Peace be
with you, he said. But the

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whole group was startled and frightened,
thinking that they were seeing a ghost.

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Why are you frightened, he asked, Why are your heart's filled with doubt?

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Look at my hands, look at
my feet. You can see it's

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really me. Touch me and make
sure that I'm not a ghost, because

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ghosts don't have bodies. As you
see I do. As he spoke,

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he showed them his hands and his
feet. Still they stood there in disbelief,

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filled with joy and wonder. Then
he asked them, do you have

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anything here to eat? And they
gave him a piece of broiled fish,

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and he ate it as they watched. And then in John chapter twenty,

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verse nineteen, it says that Sunday
evening, the disciples were meeting behind locked

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doors because they were afraid of the
Jewish leaders. Suddenly Jesus was standing there

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among them. Peace be with you, he said. As he spoke,

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he showed them the wounds in his
hands and in his side, and they

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were filled with joy. When they
saw the Lord again, he said,

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peace be with you, as the
Father sent me so I am sending you.

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And then he breathed on them and
said, receive the Holy Spirit.

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If you forgive anyone sins, they're
forgiven. If you do not forgive them,

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they are not forgiven. So Jesus
showed up disciples. Yeah. So

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Mark focuses a little bit more on
the rebuking of the unbelief. Yeah,

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he's like, uh. And by
the way, Luke also mentions it,

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but just not with the word rebuke, which rebuke to us sounds a little

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harsh. But there was rebuking in
a very loving way in Luke twenty four

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where he says, uh, he
said, why are your hearts filled with

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doubt? Why are you frightened?
Right? Look at my feet? In

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other words, Jesus is coercing them
into believing, and at the same time

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those coerce means threatened with pain of
threatened with pain. I don't think I

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think Jesus was blackmailing them into believing, Okay, not coorzing. So he

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was he was convincing them. He
was having to convince them that that that

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was him, right, Uh.
But there was there's a little bit of

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a like a like a sense of
rebuking even in that loving and you know,

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and exchange. So so in other
words, what I'm saying is,

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uh, it's so funny how we
can hear the word rebuke and at least

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for me, I don't know if
you felt this, but you hear the

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word rebuke and you think immediately like
negative, right, I rebuke that?

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You know, it's almost like or
if you rebuke somebody, it's like you're

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just anti. It's just it feels
aggressive or strong. And yet you know

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that's just semantics, isn't it,
because they're they're you know, what's the

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true definition of rebuking. Rebuking is
just to say, hey, you know,

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I reject the fact that you didn't
have faith. You know, where

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was your faith? Jesus did that
all the time anyway. And then and

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then so Mark Mark viewed it as
being stubborn unbelief. That's what Jesus was

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rebuking. No, maybe he says
he rebuked them for their stubborn we're describing

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their their unbelief. Yea, yeah, so you know, I think Jesus

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is pushing back in kind of a
strong way. But you got to remember

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their friends, right right, so
coming and going, come on, eyes,

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really you still didn't get it right
because they were The unbelief that they

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had was the women had come and
said, guess what we the tomb was

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empty. Peter and John come back
and go it is empty. The women

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go we Mary Magally says, I
saw Jesus and they're like, no,

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you didn't. Come on man,
And then they're they're probably sitting around grumbling.

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He was the gardener. Come on, I saw what you wanted to

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see, right, That's that's it. And so then Jesus comes in.

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So the rebuke here doesn't have to
be judgment from a you know, from

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a judge sitting on a bench,
or a teacher smacking your hand with a

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ruler. I was thinking the same
thing I was going to say, a

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nun smacking right. It doesn't have
to be that. It can just be

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a couple, a friend challenging a
friend going, come on, guys,

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are you serious. So I explained
to you I was going to resurrect.

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Then you found out I did.
It was three days, just like I

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said, Right, it could be
that kind of a thing where it's it's

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it's a it's a friendly challenge.
Yeah, to change your mind. Why

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were you behaving that way when I
told you what was going to happen,

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or if it were perhaps a little
more stern than that, then it was

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then I'm sure it was a loving
challenge where if I were to look at

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you and say, Jeff, you
need to hear this, look at me,

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I'm dead serious, right like you
need to hear this. Well,

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Jesus did that often as well,
right right, so you know he looked,

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you know, he looked at the
rich young ruler. And it says

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in the scripture. I always I
can never get over that phrase, but

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it says he looked at the rich
young ruler and loved him, yes,

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and then said, okay, but
then one thing you lack, go sell

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everything you haven't sell to the poor, give to the poor, and follow

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me. And I always think,
like, that's such a strange and yet

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awesome thing to include. He looked
at him right before this really hard truth

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and loved him and then gave him. And I'm thinking, I don't even

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know what that looks like. So
so there could be rebukes in the form

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of love all the time. But
anyway, and then John of course includes

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another whole thing. He includes the
preceding of the Holy Spirit. Can I

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say one thing you can. Yeah, well it's a few more than one.

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So Mark just says he rebuked them
for their stubborn unbelief yep. But

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then Luke and John both tell us
what he said, right right, So

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you want to know what kind of
If you just read Mark, you go

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wow, that he might have been
really mad. But instead he starts off

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with very gentle peace be with you, not you idiots. Right right.

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He comes in and goes, peace
be with you because they're freaking out,

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they can't believe what they're seeing.
And then his rebuke, quite honestly,

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is just simply questions, why are
you frightened? Why your heart's filled with

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doubt? And then he goes,
look at my hands and my feet,

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just him proving what had happened was
the rebuke. Right. All he's doing

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is so so rebuke doesn't always to
be negative. It's it's about saying,

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hey, the way you're thinking is
wrong, let's change your thinking. Rebuke

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should lead to repentance, and so
in repentance just simply being changing your mind.

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So it's a fairly gentle rebuke because
Luke and John both show us and

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tell us exactly what he said.
Yeah, I'm not a ghost. So

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the rebuke was, go ahead,
give me some food, I'll eat it,

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touch my body. It's real,
right, So it's a fairly gentle

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rebuke there. So I think that
there's a lesson for us that when we

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feel like we need to make a
correction with people who are thinking the wrong

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way, it doesn't have to be
a full on assault, typing in caps

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personal attacks. You know, Thomas, you stinking doubter. Right, he

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didn't have to do that. All
he had to say was, look at

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my hands, give you let me
prove to you, the dumbrel and that

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was enough. So the rebuke in
Mark only gives you one sentence, I

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mean, one verse, and then
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And so that's one of the benefits
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commentary. Otherwise you might think Jesus
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Go ahead and touch my hands,
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the Holy never received the Holy Spirit. He breathed on them and uh,

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and that that's a cool and yet
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to picture this in a movie,
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so it could be that he intentionally
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get close to you as I exhale
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they all gathered together and you know
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and they and that's a sign of
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not seen you in a while,
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a long journey and they come back
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then and Jesus could have been that
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right and and you know, and
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and then you know, breathed on
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the Holy Spirit as he was as
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to each one of them. So
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hey, everybody gather around while I
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have been that, you know,
there there's it's not it's not told to

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us. It just says he breathed
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but it does include it as a
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OD it's a very odd detail.
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that Jesus believed in ghosts. He
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ghost because they're not real. He
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have bodies. So there's you know, when I was when I was in

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Bible college, you know, you
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of scripture and say, hey,
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in ghosts because you know, we
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and all these different kinds of things. And uh, and that's one hundred

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percent true, one hundred percent true. There is no evidence, none whatsoever

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that would ever lead us to believe
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or something. Right, right,
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Jesus did say that, and I'm
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He didn't. He didn't have to
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could have been acknowledging that they believed
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he would say I'm not a ghost, his ghosts aren't real, but instead

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he said I'm not a ghost because
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the moment arguing with a person who
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didn't even believe he was going to
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they didn't believe anything he said to
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some of it, but not all
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main argument he was trying to make
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Ghosts don't exist. The main argument
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thing and plant an argumentative attitude into
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and so you start with the wrong
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ghosts. He's acknowledging that they do
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one. Yeah, and right,
that is all of what you said is

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definitely true, and logically, let's
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joining us today. And logic logic
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brains to logically say this is probably
what he meant. So and again I

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would even venture to say, it's
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So we could, we could land
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we don't know. And you know, that's what Jesus would know.

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you know, so listen, there's
the when I was going to seminary for

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my master's degree, in which I
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was talking about the difference between the
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it was very interesting. He actually
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the modern church world, he said, that's before most denominations came out,

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came to be, he said,
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postmodern era. But in the modern
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of years is where everybody thought that
everything that should be known can be known

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in the Bible, like in other
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exhaustive completely, it has every bit
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that was the thinking, that was
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and so everybody, you know,
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he said, and honestly, over
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most of our denominations, which our
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absolutely the Bible. The Bible tells
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or baby's going to heaven or dinosaurs
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and and so, you know,
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announcements of letting everybody know that,
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right, the Southern Baptists believe this. The difference between that and independent Baptists

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or these, you know, and
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believe this, and it's all just
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He says, But then the postmodern
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hey, we'll do our very best
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use one hundred percent of all the
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have to embrace the mystery of God. There has to be room that says,

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we just don't know. And so
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very best guess with the information that
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us, But if you wanted us
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have given us more. So,
if he gives us this much and we're

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going to use all of that,
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if it's not black and white,
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we're gonna we're gonna rest on what
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of modernism versus postmodernism. With regard
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Christian world as opposed to the world
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truth, that's that's postmodernism. So
maybe you should have corrected your professor.

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I think what he's saying is he's
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you know. And the thing is
just to say, hey, we

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don't have to know. Well,
God says, my ways are not your

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ways, right right, my thoughts
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there are some things that God just
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things he did tell us we can
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well, just the other day we
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about when you're drawing all those options
of yes and no, and I said,

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I said, well, the real
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that's the real answer, I said, But we can. We can

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definitely use logic and use opinions and
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have, I said, But in
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just don't know. Yeah. I
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that we don't know, it's important
that we have really good thinkers working through

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the things we don't know. If
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don't know, I don't know that
there's an answer, and if every single

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Christian says I don't know. If
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wrestling with it, we don't have
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work through. Then there will never
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never be a new idea, there'll
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you have to have those people who
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the orthodox theologians who are saying,
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what is the established, revealed truth, while you have people around the edges

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thinking big thoughts. And so here
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Jesus gives them the Holy Spirit in
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and then he commissions them to go
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that sins can be forgiven. That
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not our sins are forgiven through Christ. And let's recall back, and I

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know we're getting toward the end of
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said, I'm going to be leaving
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you because you're going to be receiving
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Jesus is God in a body.
The Holy Spirit is God in us.

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God in us. And so again, because he, you know, did

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away with the old system and he
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God the Father does not exist in
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the Holy Holies in the Temple.
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the Bible later on tells us that
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the ones. And so it's like
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I can imagine the joy of Jesus
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fruition, you know, And he's
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you have no idea what this is
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have the power the Holy Spirit inside
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and I, as Christians, we've
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that we have the power of God
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This is a new thing. They're
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from all three. They did all
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temple, God's in front of me, God's inside of me. That's the

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first time I've ever heard that thought. That's pretty neat. Yeah, that's

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the first that's literally the first time
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that is pretty crazy. Good job, good job, Chris, I mean,

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yeah, there you go. Yep, he's pushing the edges all right,

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good anything else? I think that's
it. Okay, Well, we're

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going to pick up where that left
off next time, and hopefully we'll see

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you there on the bubble. Guys. H