1 00:00:00,180 --> 00:00:02,040 Unknown: Well, we've talked about Restless Heart. Let's talk 2 00:00:02,100 --> 00:00:05,580 about the front men, how you guys got together and the story 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:06,120 behind that. 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,510 Wow, it all started 5 00:00:09,570 --> 00:00:10,230 with a video, and 6 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:10,710 yeah, mr. 7 00:00:12,930 --> 00:00:13,020 Jim 8 00:00:13,140 --> 00:00:15,060 over there. Yeah, he 9 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:22,580 saw what he started. Larry, you're welcome. No need to, no 10 00:00:22,670 --> 00:00:23,960 need to thank me, but you're welcome. 11 00:00:26,450 --> 00:00:31,940 Welcome to a podcast about music and entertainment. Before it all 12 00:00:32,090 --> 00:00:36,890 goes down the disposal, this is Circling the Drain. 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,460 Hey, welcome back to Circling the Drain. Johnny B, right here, 14 00:00:42,610 --> 00:00:45,010 Johnny Bozeman, right over there. J. Harper, how 15 00:00:45,670 --> 00:00:49,300 did Johnny B? Gosh, didn't I just see you? Yeah, you did. All 16 00:00:49,420 --> 00:00:52,390 right, okay. So it's not my imagination. We've got James 17 00:00:52,540 --> 00:00:54,130 Patrick, of course, joining 18 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:54,280 us 19 00:00:54,910 --> 00:00:57,190 and running the running the show, literally. 20 00:00:57,610 --> 00:00:59,920 And James Patrick brought along a very cool guest 21 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:00,370 today. Yeah, 22 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,690 we're excited about this. This guy's one of my favorite 23 00:01:04,050 --> 00:01:07,530 singers. Yes, and you talk about somebody that really brought 24 00:01:07,590 --> 00:01:11,550 some class to country music, I think, and from Restless Heart, 25 00:01:11,730 --> 00:01:15,480 and he's done so much more. Larry Stewart, thank you for 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,280 joining us on Circle. Thank you, brother. 27 00:01:18,030 --> 00:01:20,580 I've never been accused of bringing class to anything, I 28 00:01:20,579 --> 00:01:23,659 even 29 00:01:23,749 --> 00:01:30,679 if it's low class, I mean, that may be bad. No, man, Johnny B is 30 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:34,879 so right. Yeah, we were talking before we kind of got the wheels 31 00:01:34,939 --> 00:01:36,169 turning here about how 32 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,120 wheels surprising you said that. 33 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:38,300 Yeah, 34 00:01:38,540 --> 00:01:39,320 one of my favorite albums, 35 00:01:39,499 --> 00:01:43,119 right? Right, that's right. Yeah, but how you just really 36 00:01:43,209 --> 00:01:46,659 brought a new dynamic and a fresh new sound and approach 37 00:01:47,139 --> 00:01:50,619 that I know us DJs back then certainly loved and appreciated, 38 00:01:51,189 --> 00:01:54,249 and I, you know, totally accepted you guys, even though 39 00:01:54,429 --> 00:01:56,499 from what I hear not everybody did. 40 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:02,460 No, the industry, the Music Row did not take kindly to Restless 41 00:02:02,550 --> 00:02:07,380 Heart. In the very beginning, now you guys at Radio changed 42 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:12,690 our lives, because you know overnight radios we haven't - 43 00:02:12,690 --> 00:02:15,810 our first three singles went top 10, no, our first one went top 44 00:02:16,170 --> 00:02:20,240 25 the next three went top 10, and then we released the Wheels 45 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,530 album, and kaboom, we had six number ones in a row, 46 00:02:25,910 --> 00:02:26,000 and 47 00:02:26,030 --> 00:02:31,430 we were road dogs for a long time after that, but no, we 48 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:38,060 brought a contemporary sound to Musik Row that not everybody was 49 00:02:38,180 --> 00:02:41,710 willing to accept. In the very beginning, it was the era of the 50 00:02:42,070 --> 00:02:47,350 Judds and Ricky Skaggs and and Randy Travis and 51 00:02:47,979 --> 00:02:48,609 Dwight Yoga, 52 00:02:48,940 --> 00:02:54,160 Dwight Yoakum, you know, it was, it was twangy, so to speak. 53 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:54,340 Yeah, 54 00:02:54,729 --> 00:02:54,909 you know, 55 00:02:54,970 --> 00:02:56,320 which there's nothing wrong with that. 56 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:57,940 I grew up on it. I'm from Kentucky. 57 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,260 Well, yeah, definitely, right. 58 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,900 You know, so listen to this, Twang. You will not talk. Yeah, 59 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:09,390 so it took a minute, you know. And it was, I guess, the third 60 00:03:09,510 --> 00:03:14,280 album in Bluest Eyes in Texas that they said, okay, we'll 61 00:03:14,490 --> 00:03:16,890 reluctantly accept them for a minute. 62 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,890 Yeah, they said Texas. They mentioned Texas, 63 00:03:23,780 --> 00:03:24,500 and yeah, 64 00:03:25,100 --> 00:03:25,220 well, 65 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,240 you guys are radio, great, 66 00:03:27,169 --> 00:03:30,859 you know. You say Music Row didn't accept you, but obviously 67 00:03:30,979 --> 00:03:34,999 somebody did. Tim Dubois was he the guy that, that pretty well 68 00:03:35,869 --> 00:03:37,249 made the magic for you fellas? 69 00:03:37,790 --> 00:03:41,140 He is. It was his dream, and he had been working with a bunch of 70 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,070 musicians from Oklahoma, because he's from Oklahoma, and then he 71 00:03:45,190 --> 00:03:52,570 brought John Dietrich, our drummer, in, who's from New 72 00:03:52,750 --> 00:03:57,490 York, and then he brought Scott Hendricks in to help co-produce 73 00:03:57,580 --> 00:04:03,210 and engineer, and all that stuff, and and the original lead 74 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:09,540 singer quit because his wife made him and I knew some of 75 00:04:09,540 --> 00:04:14,730 those guys from Belmont and so they had me come in and gather 76 00:04:14,820 --> 00:04:17,790 around a mic and we sang together and I was working at 77 00:04:17,790 --> 00:04:21,740 the Country Music Hall of Fame at the time and singing demos 78 00:04:21,770 --> 00:04:25,010 and doing that stuff, and so Tim called me one day and asked me 79 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:31,550 if I wanted to be in a band, and I said, well, I'm gonna be 80 00:04:31,790 --> 00:04:34,790 married next year, I don't think my future father-in-law would 81 00:04:34,850 --> 00:04:39,800 really appreciate some redneck singer going and marrying his 82 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,790 daughter and then leaving town for weeks at a time, and, and 83 00:04:45,790 --> 00:04:49,690 this was like Thanksgiving, 1983 So, will you go home and talk to 84 00:04:50,710 --> 00:04:53,680 your fiance and the family, and think about it? And I'll call 85 00:04:53,770 --> 00:04:57,190 you on Tuesday when I get back from Oklahoma, and say what you 86 00:04:57,250 --> 00:05:00,570 think. So, phone rang at noon, Tuesday, Larry, like. Two, Larry 87 00:05:00,630 --> 00:05:05,130 Stewart, 92 So we talked about what we ate, and he said, Well, 88 00:05:05,220 --> 00:05:09,150 Larry, do you want to be in this band or not? And my head nodded 89 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,200 no, and my mouth said yes. For some reason, I started sweating 90 00:05:13,290 --> 00:05:18,060 profusely. I said, What have I done to my life? So I called my 91 00:05:19,650 --> 00:05:25,850 still my wife 42 years later, and told her what I'd done, and 92 00:05:26,090 --> 00:05:33,830 she said, "Great, that's what you want to do, do it. So, in 93 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:41,590 April, 1 weekend in April, we recorded six tracks on the very 94 00:05:41,650 --> 00:05:44,140 first album. Let the heartache ride, heartbreak kids. I don't 95 00:05:44,140 --> 00:05:45,880 know if you remember some of those old stuff. Big 96 00:05:46,210 --> 00:05:46,300 deal. 97 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,540 And then the second weekend in April, I got married, went on my 98 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,830 honeymoon, came back. We finished the album. We had 99 00:05:53,980 --> 00:05:56,980 showcases for the labels. September, Joe Galani signed us 100 00:05:57,010 --> 00:06:00,780 to RCA, and in January we released our first single, and 101 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:01,500 the rest is history. 102 00:06:02,670 --> 00:06:04,830 Wow, that's quick. Essentially, 103 00:06:05,580 --> 00:06:10,500 I mean, it's, it's undeserving, because I know so many people in 104 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,890 our business that had to wait tables for years before they, 105 00:06:15,180 --> 00:06:17,640 you know, before they were, they were in queue, you know, they 106 00:06:17,700 --> 00:06:21,650 were in line at the label, and then they finally got their 107 00:06:21,740 --> 00:06:26,240 chance, so yeah, it was crazy how fast that we came through 108 00:06:26,330 --> 00:06:27,020 the ranks. Did 109 00:06:27,110 --> 00:06:29,600 you have like a spidey sense about it when you had the 110 00:06:29,870 --> 00:06:30,350 opportunity? 111 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:31,460 I have a, what, 112 00:06:31,580 --> 00:06:34,430 like a spidey sense about it, maybe a gut feeling that it was 113 00:06:34,460 --> 00:06:35,210 going to play out. Oh, 114 00:06:35,510 --> 00:06:38,630 we didn't think anything's going to happen. I mean, we talked 115 00:06:38,660 --> 00:06:42,160 probably before we went on air here that, you know, we, we were 116 00:06:42,250 --> 00:06:45,310 different, you know, like I said, you know, I hear these, 117 00:06:45,790 --> 00:06:49,480 these guys with contemporary sounds at the piano and the Greg 118 00:06:49,570 --> 00:06:53,350 Jennings guitar sound, which is phenomenal, kind of changed the 119 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:56,260 airwaves a little bit, and the way country radio played 120 00:06:56,350 --> 00:07:00,510 electric guitar, and then you had five guys singing four and 121 00:07:00,540 --> 00:07:04,830 five part harmony with mullets, as I said, and they didn't like 122 00:07:04,860 --> 00:07:07,680 us much in the beginning, you know, especially the award 123 00:07:07,770 --> 00:07:12,360 shows, and we finally won the vocal group of the year at the 124 00:07:12,870 --> 00:07:13,020 ACMs. 125 00:07:14,730 --> 00:07:17,010 Were you kind of like the original country boy band? You 126 00:07:17,070 --> 00:07:17,190 think 127 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:24,950 maybe so, maybe so, you know, because Alabama kind of kicked 128 00:07:24,950 --> 00:07:28,310 the door down, exile was around, but Alabama kicked the door 129 00:07:28,370 --> 00:07:28,880 down, yeah, 130 00:07:28,970 --> 00:07:29,360 they did, 131 00:07:29,780 --> 00:07:34,970 and you know, they weren't a boy band, they were, and then, but 132 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,500 you know what, I hate that you just said that, 133 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,640 good old boy, man. Yeah, there you go. And then he's all 134 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:43,210 cousins. 135 00:07:47,140 --> 00:07:51,670 I don't understand why anyone other than it's just jealousy. 136 00:07:52,180 --> 00:07:54,400 Because the great thing about country music to me is that 137 00:07:54,460 --> 00:07:57,490 there's always been a great variety. There's all kinds of 138 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,870 variety in country music. There's not just one certain 139 00:08:01,050 --> 00:08:02,670 sound, at least it was back then, 140 00:08:02,670 --> 00:08:05,250 and boy, the 90s proved that, 141 00:08:05,370 --> 00:08:05,430 yeah, 142 00:08:06,210 --> 00:08:09,870 vastly, yeah, coming out of the 80s, and, and then you know, 143 00:08:10,350 --> 00:08:15,000 dabbling with, you know, the different sounds, you know, it 144 00:08:15,030 --> 00:08:19,320 got rockified back then, man, somebody would sing, and you 145 00:08:19,350 --> 00:08:21,110 knew exactly who it was, three words 146 00:08:21,140 --> 00:08:21,740 exactly, 147 00:08:22,220 --> 00:08:25,580 so there's a lot of different styles, stylistic type singers 148 00:08:25,670 --> 00:08:29,810 and great artists, and you know, as, as we've gone on, it's a 149 00:08:29,870 --> 00:08:34,070 little bit harder to distinguish between some of the singers, 150 00:08:34,460 --> 00:08:35,120 yeah, especially 151 00:08:35,690 --> 00:08:38,450 bad man, there's some great stuff out there, but that was 152 00:08:38,540 --> 00:08:42,130 just a magical time, man, I mean, you knew exactly who 153 00:08:42,220 --> 00:08:45,670 Wynonna Judd was when she sang, when she sang her first word. 154 00:08:45,970 --> 00:08:46,030 Yeah, 155 00:08:46,780 --> 00:08:52,300 but yeah, it, it was, it was a great era, 80s and 90s, great 156 00:08:52,390 --> 00:08:59,170 songwriting time, just very.. I can't think of the word, but 157 00:08:59,470 --> 00:09:03,990 just, you know, writing songs about life and family and 158 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:10,920 friends and community, and you know, and the young kids still 159 00:09:10,980 --> 00:09:13,470 dig it. I mean, we're still seeing those kids out there at 160 00:09:13,530 --> 00:09:13,980 our shows. 161 00:09:14,190 --> 00:09:14,250 Yeah, 162 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,250 you know, their parents raised them right. 163 00:09:19,620 --> 00:09:22,550 Speaking of, I used to see you all the time at Bellevue Mall. 164 00:09:22,730 --> 00:09:22,790 Yeah, 165 00:09:23,090 --> 00:09:27,470 we.. if anybody that's listening from Nashville, Bellevue Mall, 166 00:09:28,010 --> 00:09:30,560 unfortunately, it didn't do well later on, but 167 00:09:31,340 --> 00:09:32,450 Animal Springs killed it. 168 00:09:32,540 --> 00:09:36,650 But they had a play area, and I'd always take my son up there, 169 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,490 and for some reason, you and I went always about the same time. 170 00:09:41,090 --> 00:09:43,660 We should have paid them babysitting money. Yeah, we 171 00:09:43,780 --> 00:09:47,590 really should. I mean, we were there so much. Thank goodness 172 00:09:47,620 --> 00:09:48,160 for that place. 173 00:09:48,310 --> 00:09:50,560 Well, you're not kidding, you're not kidding. But it didn't 174 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:54,760 bother you, so you know I didn't want to bother, but I wish you 175 00:09:54,850 --> 00:09:57,190 would have. It's so cool, man. Larry Stewart's right here, 176 00:09:57,369 --> 00:09:59,799 because I was listening to Johnny B on Talk Radio 177 00:09:59,860 --> 00:10:00,390 for. Oh, wow, 178 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,940 you know, but yeah, it's very funny you say that, because Greg 179 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,470 Jennings, when I first got on Facebook, one of the first 180 00:10:10,530 --> 00:10:14,280 people that hit me up to be a friend was Greg Jennings, and I 181 00:10:14,370 --> 00:10:16,680 thought it can't be that Greg Jennings, and it was, 182 00:10:16,890 --> 00:10:16,950 yeah, 183 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,170 and I loved nothing against the other guys in the band, because 184 00:10:21,170 --> 00:10:24,350 I thought they were all great, but you, you and Greg really 185 00:10:24,470 --> 00:10:27,470 stood out to me. I loved you too, because you had a great 186 00:10:27,590 --> 00:10:31,790 voice. And then Greg had just.. I'm a guitar playing fan, 187 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,120 anyway, and he was so clean, so good, such.. you 188 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,300 know, how many times I've heard that over the years. I 189 00:10:38,510 --> 00:10:38,600 bet 190 00:10:39,110 --> 00:10:42,580 working with other artists and the newer, younger musicians, 191 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:48,280 you know, like I said earlier, Gray really changed and added a 192 00:10:48,370 --> 00:10:51,610 dimension to country radio with his style and his sound. 193 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:51,940 Yeah, 194 00:10:52,300 --> 00:10:52,720 great player. 195 00:10:53,380 --> 00:10:55,810 Well, you guys just had a great sound. We were just talking that 196 00:10:55,810 --> 00:10:59,260 it was just a breath of fresh air at the time, big time. Yeah, 197 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,610 because it was different, and we in radio. Well, 198 00:11:02,610 --> 00:11:02,820 it was 199 00:11:02,850 --> 00:11:04,200 there. I don't know if it's fresh or not. 200 00:11:06,450 --> 00:11:09,960 So, where did you find your material? Was it brought to you 201 00:11:10,260 --> 00:11:14,970 by producers, or, you know, you guys in the band wrote your own 202 00:11:15,090 --> 00:11:18,090 stuff? I mean, how did that come about? Because the songs, first 203 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,100 of all, were just fantastic. 204 00:11:20,370 --> 00:11:24,020 Well, for the most part, early on, Tim Dubois brought us some 205 00:11:24,110 --> 00:11:28,040 songs that he had written, and he was just fresh off of Love in 206 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,970 the First Degree by Alabama, and he had pitched a bunch of songs 207 00:11:32,030 --> 00:11:33,980 at Alabama, and they turned them down. 208 00:11:34,490 --> 00:11:34,550 Wow, 209 00:11:35,060 --> 00:11:37,970 so a lot of that first album, Heartbreak Kid, Let the 210 00:11:38,060 --> 00:11:40,930 Heartache Ride, Shakin' the Night Away, some other songs 211 00:11:41,380 --> 00:11:48,700 were those songs that pitched to Alabama, and so we went in and 212 00:11:48,730 --> 00:11:56,200 cut them and added a couple of others, and we got our record 213 00:11:56,230 --> 00:12:01,120 deal because of them. So, thank you, Alabama. Yeah, and then 214 00:12:01,750 --> 00:12:07,530 oddly enough we released that album, and you know, back then I 215 00:12:07,530 --> 00:12:10,980 don't know if you remember, but I mean that that record was over 216 00:12:11,070 --> 00:12:13,650 in eight weeks, I don't know if y'all remember that, I mean it's 217 00:12:13,710 --> 00:12:17,580 not now, it's what, 40 something weeks or 50, right, right, you 218 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,500 know, we'd have, we'd have songs that would top out wherever they 219 00:12:21,620 --> 00:12:23,300 topped out, you know, in 810 220 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:25,160 right? I 221 00:12:25,220 --> 00:12:28,850 mean, I worked, I was part of the promotion team at MCA 222 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:34,520 Records in the mid 80s, and yeah, you know, our tunes, the 223 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:38,660 George Strait stuff, the Reba stuff, you know, it would rock 224 00:12:38,780 --> 00:12:41,500 it up, and boy, 810 weeks, 225 00:12:41,950 --> 00:12:44,260 and before we knew it, they said, "You got to get back in 226 00:12:44,260 --> 00:12:44,830 and record another 227 00:12:45,670 --> 00:12:45,850 record, 228 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:52,060 you know. So, so we went immediately, I mean, really soon 229 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:57,040 back in the studio and recorded the Wheels album, and lo and 230 00:12:57,070 --> 00:13:01,710 behold, Alabama asked us to go on tour with our very first show 231 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,490 was Murphy Center in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, opening 232 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:11,580 for Alabama. We got 20 minutes and I was scared to death. I 233 00:13:11,700 --> 00:13:12,600 think I threw up. I know 234 00:13:13,140 --> 00:13:13,530 I did. Did 235 00:13:13,650 --> 00:13:16,860 you really feel stage? Because I never really fronted a band. 236 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,140 Yeah, I'd sang with my father in church. Yeah, but never fronted 237 00:13:21,140 --> 00:13:21,890 a band, and 238 00:13:22,430 --> 00:13:24,080 well, that had to be almost surreal, right? 239 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:24,530 It's like 240 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,430 totally surreal. Oddly enough, I remember every second of it 241 00:13:28,460 --> 00:13:32,120 still to this day. And because of that 20 minutes, we toured 242 00:13:32,180 --> 00:13:35,420 with Alabama for like a year and a half. Thanks to them, I mean, 243 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:40,780 we really were able, because that was before that was before 244 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,200 social media, so the only way you could get out there is 245 00:13:44,290 --> 00:13:48,310 through radio or going on tour, and, and we were able to play in 246 00:13:48,370 --> 00:13:51,850 front of 15 to 18,000 people a night, man. And thanks to them, 247 00:13:52,030 --> 00:13:54,010 we were, we introduced ourselves pretty quickly. 248 00:13:54,250 --> 00:13:56,830 Yeah, I would imagine. So, and I guess that RCA record 249 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,920 relationship between Alabama and you guys certainly helped 250 00:14:02,350 --> 00:14:05,280 and drove to Fort Payne, Alabama, and sat down with 251 00:14:05,940 --> 00:14:12,120 Randy. Word is that Randy wasn't real happy with RCA for signing 252 00:14:12,150 --> 00:14:12,780 another band, 253 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:13,770 really, 254 00:14:13,860 --> 00:14:19,200 really. Now, if you ask Randy, he'll deny it, but I heard it 255 00:14:19,260 --> 00:14:26,390 from multiple sources, but anyway, Galani talked them into 256 00:14:26,570 --> 00:14:30,050 giving us that Murphy's Burrow shot, and so they, they loved 257 00:14:30,050 --> 00:14:34,130 what we did, and we were, we were fond to hang around, you 258 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,520 know, had good personalities, and we had a great time, and 259 00:14:38,030 --> 00:14:40,810 yeah, I'm guessing, I mean, if you toured that long together, 260 00:14:40,900 --> 00:14:44,020 you obviously, you must have got along well with those guys at 261 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:44,410 some point. 262 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:44,890 Oh, not really. 263 00:14:47,830 --> 00:14:50,860 As long as you got along with each other, that's the important 264 00:14:50,860 --> 00:14:51,250 part. We 265 00:14:52,450 --> 00:14:57,940 got along, you know, pretty dang good for for 30 something years. 266 00:14:57,940 --> 00:15:01,350 Yeah, it wasn't perfect, but. Any stretch of men, hey, but we 267 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:04,590 outlasted most marriages in America. Yeah, there's something 268 00:15:04,770 --> 00:15:04,950 there. 269 00:15:05,190 --> 00:15:05,700 Yeah, that's true. 270 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,990 You know, think about that. But we did, we did, you know, split 271 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,560 up. We broke up for a few years and then got back together in 272 00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:19,260 the early 2000s and toured for another 17 years or something 273 00:15:19,260 --> 00:15:19,830 like that together. 274 00:15:21,660 --> 00:15:23,390 So, you guys still friends, and 275 00:15:23,510 --> 00:15:29,780 no, no, not really. We played Phoenix, John Dietrich, our 276 00:15:30,380 --> 00:15:35,450 drummer, he lives in Phoenix, and front man went to play in 277 00:15:35,510 --> 00:15:41,980 Phoenix two months ago. He came out and hung out all day, and of 278 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,940 course, the band that front, that backs the front man, just 279 00:15:46,330 --> 00:15:48,970 think he hung them in too. He's a great drummer, he's, 280 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:49,630 oh yeah, 281 00:15:49,810 --> 00:15:54,700 you know, he's so well trained, and, and great singer as well. 282 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,950 So it's great to hang out with him for a day. 283 00:15:57,220 --> 00:15:57,280 Yeah, 284 00:15:57,700 --> 00:15:57,760 yeah. 285 00:15:58,030 --> 00:16:00,270 Well, that's a great thing about you guys, too. Seemed like a lot 286 00:16:00,270 --> 00:16:01,770 of people in the band were great singers. 287 00:16:02,940 --> 00:16:07,470 Well, you know, the thing about it is, is Greg never claimed to 288 00:16:07,470 --> 00:16:10,800 be a singer, and Dave Ennis really never claimed to be a 289 00:16:10,890 --> 00:16:11,070 singer. 290 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:11,340 Yeah, 291 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:13,230 but coming in, they had great ears, 292 00:16:13,620 --> 00:16:13,680 yeah, 293 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,230 and doing the way we stacked the voices, 294 00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:17,250 oh, the harmonies were, 295 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,190 it was almost like we were a family, I mean, it was a good 296 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,590 thing, I truly believe that, because when we had our stack, 297 00:16:26,420 --> 00:16:29,900 it was magic, it just, it just was right, and we were, if we 298 00:16:30,020 --> 00:16:32,360 missed one voice, it wasn't the same. 299 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:32,660 Yeah, 300 00:16:33,020 --> 00:16:33,710 so it was really cool. 301 00:16:33,980 --> 00:16:34,040 Yeah, 302 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,490 so when did, when did you hear that for the first time, and 303 00:16:37,550 --> 00:16:39,710 what was your reaction when, when you did 304 00:16:39,770 --> 00:16:44,170 that first album, we sat around the piano, and Greg had his 305 00:16:44,260 --> 00:16:47,440 acoustic guitar, and we just kind of toured with different.. 306 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:53,290 it really almost just fell out, because John has a really high 307 00:16:53,470 --> 00:16:56,890 falsetto voice, too, you know, and so he sang high harmony. 308 00:16:57,220 --> 00:17:00,780 He'd done that in a previous band. Paul Gregg has this really 309 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,040 our bass player this cutting edge, that kind of edgy third 310 00:17:05,130 --> 00:17:09,360 above the melody sound that we had, that was mostly Paul. Well, 311 00:17:09,390 --> 00:17:15,600 he had a great blending edgy voice, and then there was Dave 312 00:17:16,110 --> 00:17:22,280 and Greg, who deemed themselves not really true singers until 313 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,100 Restless Heart, and they sang the low stuff together. 314 00:17:25,459 --> 00:17:25,519 Wow, 315 00:17:25,819 --> 00:17:28,219 and it just gelled on every song. 316 00:17:28,489 --> 00:17:32,839 So, do you think Tim Dubois just knew that would be the way it 317 00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:36,289 would come together, or was it just as you say that 318 00:17:36,589 --> 00:17:37,849 parade that it would come 319 00:17:38,780 --> 00:17:38,960 together, 320 00:17:39,020 --> 00:17:43,270 because he spent a lot of money early on getting us recorded, 321 00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:46,180 because all that, that first album, you know, came out of his 322 00:17:46,270 --> 00:17:50,320 pocket, you know, until we sign, you know, the deal, but, uh, 323 00:17:50,829 --> 00:17:53,739 so were all you guys just total strangers when you were thrown 324 00:17:53,769 --> 00:17:54,039 together? 325 00:17:55,210 --> 00:17:59,170 The three guys, Paul, John, Paul, bass player, John the 326 00:17:59,170 --> 00:18:02,250 drummer, and Greg, the guitar player are all from Oklahoma, so 327 00:18:02,490 --> 00:18:05,880 that and then Tim and Scott Hendricks are from Oklahoma, so 328 00:18:06,030 --> 00:18:08,970 that's how that all came together. I don't know if you 329 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:14,640 remember the boys band from back in the 70s, but John and Paul 330 00:18:14,730 --> 00:18:20,130 were in that band together for a short time, and so they had just 331 00:18:20,460 --> 00:18:25,730 come together, and and then they needed a lead singer, and Dave 332 00:18:25,820 --> 00:18:30,170 had met me at Belmont, and Greg had heard me out around town, 333 00:18:30,260 --> 00:18:32,840 like you know, songwriter things, and here and there, and 334 00:18:33,380 --> 00:18:35,540 worked with me a couple of times in the studio, and he was a 335 00:18:35,780 --> 00:18:38,660 hired guitar player, and they hired me to come sing the demo, 336 00:18:38,930 --> 00:18:42,700 or the jingle, or whatever I was doing, and so they asked me to 337 00:18:42,730 --> 00:18:47,260 come, come in, and you know, sing, sing around a mic, and, 338 00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:52,210 like I said earlier, it was they asked me to be a part of the 339 00:18:52,270 --> 00:18:59,230 band, and scared me to death. Lo and behold, though, I, I said 340 00:18:59,350 --> 00:19:01,470 yes, and we were off and running in a hurry, 341 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,620 yeah, man, I know I speak for a lot of people, we're glad you 342 00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:05,220 said yes, 343 00:19:05,340 --> 00:19:06,390 boy, you're not kidding, me 344 00:19:06,690 --> 00:19:06,750 too, 345 00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:07,380 me 346 00:19:07,620 --> 00:19:07,680 too. 347 00:19:07,919 --> 00:19:11,669 Now, when you were growing up in Kentucky, who influenced you 348 00:19:11,819 --> 00:19:12,359 musically? 349 00:19:13,140 --> 00:19:20,630 I listened to everything, my father, who was, man, you should 350 00:19:20,690 --> 00:19:25,130 have heard him sing. He died when I was a teenager with heart 351 00:19:25,580 --> 00:19:28,790 issues, but he loved to sing, and he knew people in the 352 00:19:28,910 --> 00:19:35,000 industry, and, like I said, I sang in church with him. We'd do 353 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,750 lions clubs and stuff like that around town. Yeah, he had a 354 00:19:38,780 --> 00:19:41,590 quartet, and he taught me how to play the piano when I was, you 355 00:19:41,620 --> 00:19:45,910 know, six seven years old, and, and I could play in F and C, I 356 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,320 think, and then I taught myself how to play in G, so that kind 357 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,350 of covered everything for his quartet, and so my feet were 358 00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:57,070 dangling from the from the piano stool, because I was eight years 359 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,050 old, and I was out playing the piano for. Them, so I did that, 360 00:20:01,140 --> 00:20:04,620 you know, even up through my teenage years, and I played 361 00:20:04,650 --> 00:20:08,640 football and baseball, and at that time I didn't think it was 362 00:20:08,820 --> 00:20:12,240 really super cool for, you know, a fullback and a linebacker for 363 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,060 the high school team to be playing the gospel piano for his 364 00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:25,430 dad, and so I really didn't realize, so again, my father was 365 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,710 probably the biggest influence, but I listened to gospel, I 366 00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:31,340 listened to rock, you know, I'd go to my bedroom, you know, 367 00:20:31,550 --> 00:20:37,760 listen to anywhere from Glen Campbell to Boston to the 368 00:20:37,820 --> 00:20:41,620 Rolling Stones to the Oak Ridge Boys, before they became a 369 00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:43,390 country music, ag, they were, 370 00:20:43,420 --> 00:20:43,480 yeah, 371 00:20:44,590 --> 00:20:48,220 so I listened to a lot of stuff, I just realized, and early, I 372 00:20:48,610 --> 00:20:52,870 love music, and, but it wasn't until I moved to Nashville, 373 00:20:52,900 --> 00:20:57,100 Tennessee, I, I, I was playing college baseball there in 374 00:20:57,130 --> 00:21:00,970 Western Kentucky, and it was a junior college, and we were, we 375 00:21:01,150 --> 00:21:03,420 were really good, we were ranked like top 10 in the country, but 376 00:21:03,450 --> 00:21:11,250 we came to Volunteer State to play, and before my dad died, he 377 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,700 asked a couple of people in the industry, Jerry Crutchfield and 378 00:21:14,730 --> 00:21:19,410 Jomo Scale, hey, make sure Larry watch over Larry, make sure you 379 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:25,490 know he gets to Nashville, well, um I was not very smart, I 380 00:21:25,580 --> 00:21:28,760 guess, at that, at that age. I didn't know what I wanted to do. 381 00:21:28,940 --> 00:21:32,180 I couldn't, I didn't really have a vision of where I was supposed 382 00:21:32,180 --> 00:21:37,790 to go. So, God took over, and they, I was coming to Volunteer 383 00:21:37,910 --> 00:21:40,420 State, and they call Coach Whitten at Belmont University 384 00:21:40,930 --> 00:21:43,900 and asked him, hey, we have a young man, we've seen him play, 385 00:21:44,050 --> 00:21:46,900 he's, you know, he's good, and we were just wondering, would 386 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,380 you go watch him play at Volunteer State on whatever day 387 00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:54,550 it was? We all, I hit two home runs that day in that game, and 388 00:21:54,550 --> 00:22:01,350 I've never hit two home runs in my life, and we, long story 389 00:22:01,410 --> 00:22:05,250 short, they offered me a partial scholarship, and I was off and 390 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:11,340 running to Belmont, and I knew Joe Moscato's son, Joey. We were 391 00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:14,040 friends since we were like six or seven years old, and we'd go 392 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:16,260 back and forth to Nashville and visiting each other in the 393 00:22:16,290 --> 00:22:21,530 summer, but anyway, the very first person I met at Belmont 394 00:22:21,530 --> 00:22:24,260 was a guy named Gordon Kennedy, and his father was Jerry 395 00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:28,700 Kennedy. Yeah, and I started meeting people in the industry, 396 00:22:28,910 --> 00:22:31,580 man. I met some of the most talented Dan Huff, David Huff, 397 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:37,130 all those guys came out of Belmont, and next thing I knew, 398 00:22:37,310 --> 00:22:41,050 I got mono and hepatitis all the same time. I couldn't lift my 399 00:22:41,230 --> 00:22:44,470 head up, I thought I was dying, I didn't have no idea what was 400 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:49,810 going on, but I gathered up the energy to go see the doctor, and 401 00:22:49,810 --> 00:22:53,440 he said, you know, I did a bunch of blood works, yeah, mono and 402 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,850 hepatitis, got mono because I was not getting enough sleep, I 403 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,830 was doing homework till 2o'clock in the morning, I was playing 404 00:22:59,860 --> 00:23:02,100 baseball, I was doing music, and now doing that, and you know, 405 00:23:02,190 --> 00:23:06,630 and then that turned into hepatitis, so I missed out on 406 00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:10,680 three months of school. Oh man, and at the end of that, I said, 407 00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:12,960 you know what, I've been playing baseball since I was six years 408 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,160 old, I think I need to do something else. Let's see, yeah, 409 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,620 I'll sing, that's what I'll do, and the reason I say it's a good 410 00:23:21,770 --> 00:23:26,480 thing, I really, I'm here not because of what I, I really 411 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,920 didn't, I don't think I really dreamed about it like all my 412 00:23:31,070 --> 00:23:32,150 friends had dreamed about 413 00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:32,810 it, right? 414 00:23:32,990 --> 00:23:35,810 Yeah, I was just, it was just here, there, you know, so okay, 415 00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:38,930 well, now I went to Belmont, graduated, thought I'd go to 416 00:23:39,050 --> 00:23:43,090 work at a, at a record company, or a publishing company, or 417 00:23:43,390 --> 00:23:43,780 something, you know. 418 00:23:44,140 --> 00:23:44,200 Yeah. 419 00:23:45,790 --> 00:23:52,750 No, I was supposed to sing, so I joined a band, and, and did 420 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,190 something I'd never done before, 421 00:23:54,369 --> 00:23:55,359 and hit some home runs. 422 00:23:56,229 --> 00:23:59,229 Just, I mean, we had a great people, great people around me. 423 00:23:59,649 --> 00:24:00,329 Yeah, I 424 00:24:00,389 --> 00:24:03,389 mean, it's kind of funny. I mean, one of my little companies 425 00:24:03,509 --> 00:24:07,139 is this Game Time Sports Network, and I cover primarily 426 00:24:07,259 --> 00:24:11,909 JUCOs. I do live streaming of baseball, and I just did Vol 427 00:24:12,059 --> 00:24:17,369 State and Cleveland State day before yesterday, doing their 428 00:24:17,459 --> 00:24:20,929 games. So, I've gotten to know a lot of those Vol State guys. Jim 429 00:24:20,959 --> 00:24:23,389 McGuire is the coach there. Has been there for, you know, 430 00:24:23,539 --> 00:24:26,239 forever and ever. But, so, anyway, that's cool. So, I mean, 431 00:24:27,529 --> 00:24:30,079 do you, and believe me, I understand. I play college 432 00:24:30,169 --> 00:24:33,139 baseball as well, and I kind of, I can kind of relate to your 433 00:24:33,199 --> 00:24:36,229 mindset. I've been playing this all my life, and I kind of got 434 00:24:36,259 --> 00:24:40,629 burned out on it at one point. I mean, did you think that maybe 435 00:24:40,809 --> 00:24:44,109 you would ever, if you didn't do the singing thing, would sports 436 00:24:44,229 --> 00:24:46,599 have been part of what you pursued? 437 00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:47,109 I would 438 00:24:47,170 --> 00:24:50,620 have tried hard to pursue it. I talked to some scouts, you know, 439 00:24:50,860 --> 00:25:00,120 yeah, and you know I was okay. I'd probably, you know, I. I 440 00:25:00,810 --> 00:25:03,000 probably made it, maybe single, 441 00:25:03,449 --> 00:25:03,569 a yeah, 442 00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:04,920 got it. 443 00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:12,060 Well, you know, just being, just recognizing that is, yes, you 444 00:25:12,090 --> 00:25:15,120 know, different than most guys these days, you know, seeing 445 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:16,800 those multi million dollar contracts, 446 00:25:16,980 --> 00:25:17,130 yes, 447 00:25:17,220 --> 00:25:17,940 a lot different now. 448 00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:22,520 Well, we've talked about Restless Heart. Let's talk about 449 00:25:22,670 --> 00:25:26,210 the front men, how you guys got together and the story behind 450 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:26,390 that. 451 00:25:27,709 --> 00:25:27,769 Wow, 452 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:30,530 it all started with a video and 453 00:25:30,890 --> 00:25:31,010 mr. 454 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,460 GM over there. Yeah, what he started. Oh, I know, 455 00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:43,510 Larry, you're welcome. Okay, no need to, no need to thank me, 456 00:25:43,660 --> 00:25:44,260 but you're welcome. 457 00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:48,520 Almost 16 years ago, wow, 458 00:25:48,940 --> 00:25:49,360 they're crazy. 459 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,130 No, it's not. It was about 17 years ago, me and Richie 460 00:25:54,190 --> 00:25:59,110 McDonald, the voice of Lone Star, we were down in Baton 461 00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:03,180 Rouge, Louisiana, doing a fundraiser for for the voice of 462 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:03,660 Scooby Doo. 463 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:04,800 Oh yeah, 464 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,460 we were sitting in a Marriott hotel lobby bar, drinking 465 00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:12,870 coffee, waiting for our turn to go do our segment of the no sing 466 00:26:13,530 --> 00:26:15,120 for the for the fundraiser. 467 00:26:15,390 --> 00:26:16,140 Yeah, it's got in 468 00:26:16,679 --> 00:26:16,859 us, huh? 469 00:26:17,130 --> 00:26:17,580 It's got 470 00:26:17,999 --> 00:26:19,409 in us. Yeah, there you go. 471 00:26:19,650 --> 00:26:19,950 I know 472 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:21,440 a lot of stuff for him, 473 00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:26,599 Zoinks. What I was said, it was Shaggy. Yeah, Shaggy said Zoox. 474 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:27,890 Yeah, anyway, 475 00:26:28,910 --> 00:26:32,660 yeah. So, anyway, he said, man, I've been thinking, see what you 476 00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:36,140 think, you know, these single artists are going out together, 477 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,890 you know, three solo art, going out together, and, and doing a 478 00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:43,000 show, and sharing the stage together. I was just thinking, 479 00:26:43,180 --> 00:26:45,970 what would happen if we got three singers from three 480 00:26:46,090 --> 00:26:51,610 successful bands, and and went out and did some shows and call 481 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:57,550 it the front man. I went, oh my gosh, I love this. So, I'll try 482 00:26:57,580 --> 00:27:01,080 to keep it short here. So, we went, we had to find one more, 483 00:27:01,290 --> 00:27:04,920 so we went straight to the top originally, and asked this guy 484 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,200 named Randy Owen of Alabama if he wanted to do 485 00:27:07,469 --> 00:27:07,709 it, because 486 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,030 Alabama wouldn't have got at the time, 487 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:09,900 and once again, 488 00:27:10,290 --> 00:27:16,230 and he said, "Oh, yes, he said, "yes. I said, "Yes. And we went 489 00:27:16,290 --> 00:27:20,100 and did a few shows, we did Branson, we did, we did some 490 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:27,020 private stuff, Super Bowl soiree of some sort, and we had to get 491 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,400 rid of him. He didn't have enough hits. 492 00:27:30,770 --> 00:27:31,670 His day was over, 493 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,020 so I had to get somebody else in there. No, he put Alabama back 494 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,680 together, and so he went on and did that, and we were thinking, 495 00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:44,140 Ram, well, it just so happened Richie ran into Tim Russlow at a 496 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,910 mall, not the Bellevue Mall, but at a mall, and talked to him 497 00:27:48,970 --> 00:27:52,270 about it. And long story short, Tim said, "Man, that sounds 498 00:27:52,330 --> 00:27:54,910 great. Listen, I've been talking to some people at Navy 499 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,230 Entertainment, and I went over there once, and they won't want 500 00:27:59,260 --> 00:28:03,810 me to go do a little tour thing. What if I brought this up to 501 00:28:03,870 --> 00:28:06,090 them? Would you be, y'all be interested in doing it? And we 502 00:28:06,210 --> 00:28:10,650 said yes. So next thing we know, we're wearing Iraq and 503 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,970 Afghanistan, and landed on the USS Bush and the USS Truman out 504 00:28:14,970 --> 00:28:19,380 in the Persian Gulf. Oh man, and it was really a bonding kind of 505 00:28:19,380 --> 00:28:22,550 a thing for us. It was an experience that it's there's 506 00:28:22,670 --> 00:28:27,020 nothing like doing that kind of stuff, and and making a 507 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,880 difference to the men and women in uniform. So we would do that 508 00:28:31,910 --> 00:28:35,990 every winter, most winters, not every single winter, but most 509 00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:40,540 winters after that, when our bands weren't touring, and, and 510 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:45,070 you know I'm kept going, kept going, kept going, and then fast 511 00:28:45,130 --> 00:28:51,940 forward to Covid, and so the world shut down, and Who was the 512 00:28:52,030 --> 00:28:53,680 very last people to go to work? 513 00:28:54,550 --> 00:28:55,000 Performers, 514 00:28:55,449 --> 00:28:58,779 people who got have to gather people, exactly right, and so 515 00:28:58,869 --> 00:29:01,019 we're at home, man, twiddling our thumbs didn't know what we 516 00:29:01,019 --> 00:29:02,969 were going to do, and so you know things were starting to 517 00:29:02,969 --> 00:29:07,769 open up, and and we talked to each other and said, "What, who 518 00:29:07,949 --> 00:29:10,259 knows what's what this world's coming to? 519 00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:10,800 Yeah, 520 00:29:11,130 --> 00:29:15,390 you know what? Do you think about bringing the act 521 00:29:15,450 --> 00:29:20,070 stateside? Let's put a show together, and so we did. We put 522 00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:24,440 a show together, we put a band together, we, you know, got a 523 00:29:24,530 --> 00:29:30,950 bus and tour managers and stage managers, you know, and went out 524 00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:36,620 on tour, and we've been doing it now for, I guess, three years at 525 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,390 this level, and 526 00:29:39,050 --> 00:29:40,570 because you're just acoustic up until then, we 527 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:41,080 were acoustic, 528 00:29:41,470 --> 00:29:41,590 it's 529 00:29:41,619 --> 00:29:44,169 like Covid made you double down. Interesting, 530 00:29:44,590 --> 00:29:45,460 that's exactly right. 531 00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:45,730 Oh, 532 00:29:45,939 --> 00:29:47,619 we doubled down on them, we wasn't scared. 533 00:29:47,860 --> 00:29:47,920 Yeah, 534 00:29:49,030 --> 00:29:52,810 a lot of cool things came out of Covid, because these guys, I 535 00:29:52,930 --> 00:29:56,590 loved when they got together. Then William Lee Golden put his 536 00:29:56,740 --> 00:29:59,050 family together and put together a great, I mean, just 537 00:29:59,050 --> 00:29:59,200 more 538 00:29:59,290 --> 00:30:02,160 Californians. In Tennessee, yeah, exactly. 539 00:30:02,250 --> 00:30:05,370 We got, we got shows because artists didn't want to go out. 540 00:30:05,460 --> 00:30:06,810 They were, they were afraid of COVID, 541 00:30:06,989 --> 00:30:07,109 right? I 542 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,390 wasn't. We weren't. 543 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,070 You were very vocal during that time. 544 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:11,580 Yeah, 545 00:30:11,999 --> 00:30:15,419 I remember watching you did a show on Facebook, 546 00:30:15,570 --> 00:30:16,440 yep, every week. 547 00:30:16,620 --> 00:30:17,370 Yep. And 548 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,800 we call Fridays with something with 549 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,980 Fridays with you was like Fridays at five or something, 550 00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:22,730 Fridays at five. 551 00:30:22,790 --> 00:30:25,280 Yeah, Courtney and I would break out the wine and start our 552 00:30:25,340 --> 00:30:25,610 weekend. 553 00:30:26,060 --> 00:30:26,450 Oh, wow. 554 00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:29,750 Well, we couldn't go out on tour, so you know, yeah, sing a 555 00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:32,690 few songs to the folks at home if they're at home and they want 556 00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:35,870 to tune in. So I did that for, I don't know, quite a few months. 557 00:30:36,050 --> 00:30:37,100 Yeah, yeah, 558 00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:37,970 you tuned in, huh? 559 00:30:38,179 --> 00:30:38,419 I did. 560 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:39,440 I should have 561 00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:42,730 brought you into, how deep into my little show did you turn me 562 00:30:42,970 --> 00:30:43,030 off? 563 00:30:44,289 --> 00:30:44,889 We watched the whole thing. 564 00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:46,090 Oh, is 565 00:30:46,179 --> 00:30:46,689 he telling the truth? 566 00:30:46,750 --> 00:30:46,960 Couple, 567 00:30:47,050 --> 00:30:47,650 I think he is 568 00:30:47,860 --> 00:30:48,010 okay. 569 00:30:48,189 --> 00:30:48,939 Yeah, he's being honest. 570 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,570 Yeah, my wife will tell me if I'm not. I think I'm being 571 00:30:52,660 --> 00:30:52,900 honest. 572 00:30:54,399 --> 00:30:56,769 Well, I wish I would have had you come into the radio studio, 573 00:30:56,859 --> 00:30:58,929 because, man, I was all alone then during the.. where are you? 574 00:30:59,049 --> 00:30:59,319 Oh, yeah, 575 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:00,640 I'd have done.. it 576 00:31:00,670 --> 00:31:01,260 was lonesome. 577 00:31:01,709 --> 00:31:02,339 I'd have done it. I 578 00:31:02,430 --> 00:31:03,660 was lonesome for some company. 579 00:31:04,140 --> 00:31:07,980 Yeah, radio, at that time it was all home. It was Zoom, and you 580 00:31:08,010 --> 00:31:10,500 know all that kind of stuff. Nobody was coming into a 581 00:31:10,770 --> 00:31:10,980 building. 582 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,490 They wanted to keep talent safe, but you know, guys like me, they 583 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,230 just get a 584 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,030 damn exactly 585 00:31:18,179 --> 00:31:18,299 good 586 00:31:18,419 --> 00:31:20,809 luck operative word being from their point of view, talent, 587 00:31:20,899 --> 00:31:25,249 Johnny. Yeah, from their point of view. Okay, 588 00:31:26,689 --> 00:31:33,559 seven feet from you, that was like gun splatter right there. 589 00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:35,029 Just 590 00:31:37,849 --> 00:31:38,899 want to make sure that's 591 00:31:39,020 --> 00:31:40,070 right. But good luck 592 00:31:40,099 --> 00:31:41,739 to you, do though. So, you know, 593 00:31:42,250 --> 00:31:45,580 Larry, I mean, like, so many people during that whole COVID 594 00:31:45,580 --> 00:31:49,000 time. I mean, did you suffer some, like, you know, financial 595 00:31:49,090 --> 00:31:52,780 strain? And, or a little bit? Yeah, you know, I mean, 596 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,210 you know, what was that call that they gave that they handed 597 00:31:55,330 --> 00:32:00,280 out to PPP? You know, so that helped a little bit, right? And, 598 00:32:01,270 --> 00:32:04,410 yeah, I was an announcer for the Globetrotters at that time, and 599 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:08,730 I remember March, march 13, 2020 they shut us down, yeah, you 600 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:08,820 know, 601 00:32:08,940 --> 00:32:09,000 yeah, 602 00:32:09,270 --> 00:32:12,780 so yeah, and the Trotters didn't work for like almost two 603 00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:14,550 years, 604 00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:18,030 same, I mean, I'm the business geek in me, always wants to ask 605 00:32:18,090 --> 00:32:21,260 like these types of questions, is it like the front men, the 606 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,980 frontmen live.com is the website, is that completely 607 00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:27,590 owned by the three of you as like an LLC, and all that fun 608 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:27,830 stuff. 609 00:32:28,099 --> 00:32:28,219 Yep, 610 00:32:28,639 --> 00:32:30,829 and you have the trademark on it, and all that fun 611 00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:34,490 stuff. Working on the trademark, 612 00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:37,430 working on that. Yeah, it should be trademarkable, I would think, 613 00:32:38,420 --> 00:32:38,630 by now. 614 00:32:39,020 --> 00:32:40,930 Yeah, and the other thing 615 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:42,160 is, 616 00:32:44,589 --> 00:32:44,769 like, 617 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:45,459 yes, 618 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,240 you've got, you've got history with it, so I mean, it should be 619 00:32:49,390 --> 00:32:52,480 okay. I'm also wondering, like, if it can be broken into other 620 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,870 avenues, you know, front men of country, maybe front men of 621 00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:58,900 rock, you know that. Oh yeah, and maybe turn it into, like, 622 00:32:58,930 --> 00:33:01,260 the, you know, how they have these bands that go around, like 623 00:33:01,380 --> 00:33:04,080 one was called Metal Shop, and you have the Spasmatics, you 624 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,190 know that kind of a thing. 625 00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:08,999 Well, we've dropped the country now, and we're just using 626 00:33:09,089 --> 00:33:09,269 just the 627 00:33:09,330 --> 00:33:09,660 front man, 628 00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:11,580 just Larry Tim and 629 00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:12,750 Richie. 630 00:33:13,380 --> 00:33:17,190 Yeah, that's just just an idea, you know. Might be able to 631 00:33:17,610 --> 00:33:17,790 double 632 00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:21,800 Larry, Rudy, and Steve, the Gatlin Brothers, Larry, Tim, and 633 00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:23,270 Richie, the frontman brothers. 634 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:25,969 How hard was it to put a band? I mean, in Nashville, it's not 635 00:33:25,999 --> 00:33:29,419 hard to put a band together. No, but I mean, obviously it must 636 00:33:29,419 --> 00:33:30,619 have changed the dynamic some. 637 00:33:31,550 --> 00:33:34,850 It totally did. It made it so much fun. And we have a great 638 00:33:34,940 --> 00:33:37,940 band. We started with some different guys, the same guitar 639 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,160 player, Link Detton. He played with Jeff Cook and some of those 640 00:33:42,250 --> 00:33:46,120 Alabama guys for a long time. He's, he's got the Greg Jennings 641 00:33:46,390 --> 00:33:50,890 toned down. Yeah, but we've got a couple of new guys, and 642 00:33:50,890 --> 00:33:53,080 they're fantastic young guys, really good. 643 00:33:53,380 --> 00:33:55,660 I must have missed the call about the drummer opening, but 644 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,290 you know it's okay. 645 00:33:57,219 --> 00:33:57,609 You're a drummer, 646 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,710 I am. But you know, I played with the Huey Lewis in a news 647 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:02,610 tribute band. I mean, 648 00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:06,090 I did not know you were a drummer. 649 00:34:07,890 --> 00:34:09,720 I thought I mentioned it. 650 00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:10,499 Well, we'll know now. 651 00:34:11,490 --> 00:34:16,770 I play to fill in. I play rhythm guitar. Hey, if you ever need 652 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,110 someone to fill in, I play rhythm guitar, and I sing 653 00:34:19,170 --> 00:34:19,440 pretty good 654 00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:20,510 harmony. There you go, 655 00:34:24,650 --> 00:34:27,140 my brother plays keys, I mean, we're both, we go, we really 656 00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:32,060 jelly was, and I know Tim, Tim is a drummer as well, I think he 657 00:34:32,630 --> 00:34:34,580 cut his teeth in music playing the drums, 658 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:35,270 Tim Rushlow, 659 00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:35,510 yeah, 660 00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:36,380 yeah, he is a drummer, 661 00:34:36,860 --> 00:34:40,450 and knowing, because when he was in Rushlow, my friend, my buddy, 662 00:34:40,810 --> 00:34:42,850 actually, Al Dean's guys were part of the formation of that 663 00:34:42,970 --> 00:34:46,600 man, and Rich used to tell me how hard he was on drummers. Is 664 00:34:46,660 --> 00:34:47,770 he still.. is that still the case? 665 00:34:50,290 --> 00:34:53,290 I don't know. I don't think so. Our drummer is so dang good. 666 00:34:54,430 --> 00:34:59,230 Yeah, Chase Adams, he's an amazing drummer on your 667 00:34:59,620 --> 00:35:02,100 Instagram. To grab the other day, I saw that you were filling 668 00:35:03,660 --> 00:35:11,820 it. I am so bad, I just stopped. I have no rhythm anymore. So, 669 00:35:11,970 --> 00:35:13,170 yeah, I didn't sit there long. 670 00:35:16,410 --> 00:35:18,990 Well, you know, we, we always ask artists when they come in 671 00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:23,990 and visit with us on circling the drain. What do they think of 672 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,610 what's going on in the country music landscape these days? I 673 00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:31,100 know you'd mentioned how you really enjoy a lot of the stuff, 674 00:35:31,250 --> 00:35:35,300 but I mean, you know, different eras, you know, we're all 675 00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:38,750 different ages, we grow up with different sounds and whatnot, 676 00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:42,100 and things appeal to us and things don't, I mean, what? What 677 00:35:42,190 --> 00:35:45,130 do you really, really dig out there that's happening, at least 678 00:35:45,130 --> 00:35:46,240 in the country? John Randy, 679 00:35:46,330 --> 00:35:50,410 yeah. Well, I mean, I love, you know, a bunch of it. I'm a 680 00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:55,540 Morgan Wallen fan, you know, I like Luke Combs and some Aldine 681 00:35:55,720 --> 00:36:00,130 stuff, you know, that's a totally different style of what 682 00:36:00,190 --> 00:36:03,720 we had in the 90s, but I'll tell you something that's really kind 683 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:07,110 of cool. We run into a bunch of those people out in the summer 684 00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:09,900 doing the festivals, terrible festivals, you know, multi-act 685 00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:16,800 festivals, and they, a lot of them, you don't have a 90s 686 00:36:17,250 --> 00:36:18,630 segment in their show. 687 00:36:19,050 --> 00:36:19,110 Yeah, 688 00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:22,670 and sometimes they'll come up to us, you know, we had to drop our 689 00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:24,440 90 segment because y'all are on the bill. 690 00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:29,690 Well, heck, they could have asked you to join them, 691 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:30,440 that's 692 00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:33,560 what I'm saying, right? They didn't. 693 00:36:34,070 --> 00:36:34,130 Yeah, 694 00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:36,410 use your head, man. Come on, you got them right there, 695 00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:41,410 you know. I know Jelly Roll gets a, you know, a little bit of 696 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,260 consternation from certain segments of the industry, but I 697 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,360 really like what, what he does, 698 00:36:46,540 --> 00:36:47,380 consternation, that's 699 00:36:47,410 --> 00:36:47,770 a board. 700 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:48,220 Yeah, 701 00:36:48,460 --> 00:36:48,610 what 702 00:36:49,210 --> 00:36:49,240 a, 703 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,950 what a talented guy he is, especially with his ability to, 704 00:36:53,980 --> 00:36:57,160 to reach the audience, his ability to speak as much as his 705 00:36:57,310 --> 00:37:01,920 music. He's, we're on BMG with him, and he's, 706 00:37:02,460 --> 00:37:06,210 yeah, he seems very genuine, you know. 707 00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:07,830 There's life, man. He's had.. oh, he 708 00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:12,300 did, yeah. But always say he's like he's like a nicer version 709 00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:13,110 of David Allen Co. 710 00:37:18,690 --> 00:37:20,460 David Allen Co. 2.0 that's 711 00:37:20,610 --> 00:37:24,650 right. I also like this new girl, Ellen Langley. 712 00:37:24,830 --> 00:37:26,030 Yep, she's hot, but 713 00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:26,420 oh, 714 00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:27,800 different ways. 715 00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:28,700 Yes, several ways. 716 00:37:29,060 --> 00:37:32,270 I mean, you talk about Star, she's got it written all over 717 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,030 her. I mean, she's gorgeous, and sing well. 718 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,020 She is, she is, she's.. I guess she's the hottest thing going 719 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,940 right now. Yes, she is. 720 00:37:40,940 --> 00:37:43,930 There's also a turn happening, and maybe this is what's also 721 00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:46,660 quality, like putting Jelly Roll up there. His songs are hitting 722 00:37:46,690 --> 00:37:50,140 a nerve, you know what I mean? The actual lyrical content, the 723 00:37:50,140 --> 00:37:52,390 things that they're talking about, you know, the first big, 724 00:37:52,810 --> 00:37:55,270 first big hitting at was I Am Not Okay, is 725 00:37:55,450 --> 00:37:55,660 that? Yeah, 726 00:37:56,020 --> 00:37:56,740 that hit a nerve. 727 00:37:57,580 --> 00:37:58,540 A lot of people prize 728 00:37:58,660 --> 00:37:59,200 me, right? 729 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,340 Save me also, you know, 730 00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:05,100 well, and that's great country. I mean, that that's what country 731 00:38:05,130 --> 00:38:09,390 has always been to me, is that it hits your, hits your soul, 732 00:38:09,450 --> 00:38:12,240 hits your heart. That's what was so good about Restless Heart 733 00:38:12,270 --> 00:38:16,230 when they came out, because their songs, especially where us 734 00:38:16,350 --> 00:38:18,180 guys working in radio, it just really.. 735 00:38:18,690 --> 00:38:19,230 this is different, 736 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,520 different. I would, I wouldn't compare that to Jelly Roll. 737 00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:27,080 Yeah, once we got out of prison and we face full of 738 00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:27,890 tattoos, 739 00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:31,010 yeah, you got the tattoos removed. That was really 740 00:38:31,070 --> 00:38:35,690 good for the drug addiction. Where did the name Restless 741 00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:36,560 Heart come from? 742 00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:41,560 Yeah, y'all, we had the hardest time naming our group. As a 743 00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:46,270 matter of fact, was so bad. Galante called us, and so you 744 00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:48,940 know what? You got a single coming out in eight weeks. It'd 745 00:38:48,940 --> 00:38:51,310 be nice for us to put a group name on the record, 746 00:38:51,940 --> 00:38:52,390 the Mullets. 747 00:38:52,750 --> 00:39:00,900 So we five four got together, we had the worst names. So finally 748 00:39:02,130 --> 00:39:06,450 Greg Jennings said, "You know what? What about Restless Heart? 749 00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:09,240 And you asked, "Well, why Restless Heart? It was a song on 750 00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:12,810 our very first record, and we didn't.. I didn't think of 751 00:39:12,930 --> 00:39:15,420 looking at the titles of the songs on the record and coming 752 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,740 up with.. I was trying to figure out a mountain or a lake or a 753 00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:23,390 river or a town or something to stay 754 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,970 thinking like Bob Ross paintings or something, right? Happy 755 00:39:29,090 --> 00:39:29,690 little trees, 756 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,010 so yeah, we loved it when he just kind of restless heart, 757 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,960 whoa, man, that has a ring 758 00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:38,630 to it. Yeah, I can imagine though, you know, you say that 759 00:39:38,660 --> 00:39:42,520 Musik Row didn't really take to you guys, and probably after you 760 00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:45,850 named yourself Restless Heart, instead of like the Lazy River 761 00:39:46,270 --> 00:39:53,890 Boys or something, that probably 762 00:39:54,100 --> 00:40:00,390 Lazy River Boys turn probably would have led us. Better talk 763 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:00,990 about 764 00:40:05,370 --> 00:40:11,250 trademarking nothing, but photos of 765 00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:12,360 people in a water park, 766 00:40:14,340 --> 00:40:17,790 lazy river boys, entire 767 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,400 inner tubes drinking beer. 768 00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:28,010 Yeah. singing Johnny Russell records, yeah, Red Sex, Red Sex, 769 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:35,060 Red Sox. There we go. What's on your mind? Well, you are a 770 00:40:35,180 --> 00:40:36,830 mighty fine looking man, Johnny 771 00:40:39,110 --> 00:40:42,790 Wendell Biggers. There go back to a 772 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,970 previous episode on the Red Becks, White Sox, Blue Ribbon 773 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,410 Beer, that's that's where I was. Yeah, 774 00:40:48,130 --> 00:40:50,890 I have a merch idea for us searching for Linda Biggers 775 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:52,990 T-shirt. We need to have, 776 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,900 yeah, and like Larry said, "What the hell are they talking? 777 00:40:56,380 --> 00:41:00,100 Previous episode story about radio sales people. Yeah, what? 778 00:41:00,580 --> 00:41:02,640 What this is, something you could probably marinate out over 779 00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:05,520 the duration of the rest of the episode. What's an artist that 780 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,910 would surprise people that to know that you really enjoy, like 781 00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:13,050 a secret guilty pleasure artist, like even outside the genre, 782 00:41:13,860 --> 00:41:15,120 that kind of ticks your box, 783 00:41:15,150 --> 00:41:16,710 like the Bengals or something? 784 00:41:16,830 --> 00:41:19,890 Yeah, for me it's like NSYNC, or no Backstreet Boys, 785 00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:20,400 Backstreet Boys. 786 00:41:20,610 --> 00:41:22,910 Yeah, I thought they were a great band. They had a great 787 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:23,240 sound, 788 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:23,780 great songs. 789 00:41:24,140 --> 00:41:26,090 Didn't admit it at the time, but I'll admit it now. Why not? 790 00:41:27,170 --> 00:41:27,980 That's a good question. 791 00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:28,250 Yeah, 792 00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:29,030 I don't.. 793 00:41:29,780 --> 00:41:32,390 Is it like Anthrax or, you know, Megadeth or anything like 794 00:41:32,689 --> 00:41:32,869 Mega 795 00:41:33,350 --> 00:41:33,440 Death? 796 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,360 I look like a Megadeth guy, don't 797 00:41:35,389 --> 00:41:35,719 I? Grow, 798 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:36,140 I mean 799 00:41:36,139 --> 00:41:40,549 Cradle of Phil, all those great bands. 800 00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:45,610 I don't think so, man. I just, you know, my musical styles just 801 00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:49,720 bounce off the wall, and I just, you know, and I'll be honest 802 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:53,290 with, I don't listen to a ton of music anymore. I listen to talk 803 00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:53,860 radio a lot, 804 00:41:54,460 --> 00:41:54,910 podcasts, 805 00:41:55,150 --> 00:41:59,110 yeah, podcasts a lot, and stuff like that. But you know, when 806 00:41:59,140 --> 00:42:03,060 I'm in the car, I listen to some radio, yeah, but I don't have an 807 00:42:03,090 --> 00:42:05,460 answer for that, and if I do, I'll hit you up later. 808 00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:08,310 Like, some people will be surprised. No, we listen to a 809 00:42:08,340 --> 00:42:12,180 lot of Broadway, my wife and I do. Yeah, so does surprise me. 810 00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:15,600 One genre that we really kind of jive on, yeah. And it's really 811 00:42:15,630 --> 00:42:16,830 kind of.. I enjoy it, yeah. 812 00:42:17,250 --> 00:42:21,680 Now, see, my wife hates me because my guilty pleasure is 813 00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:27,560 actually Taylor Swift. I did like one of her tunes, and my 814 00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:31,070 wife sings it anytime that she wants to bug me. 815 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,060 What's the tune? 816 00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:35,660 Oh man, what was it? Shake it off. 817 00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:36,680 Oh yeah, 818 00:42:37,070 --> 00:42:40,460 I love.. I mean, I just thought, man, that's a great pop tune. 819 00:42:41,090 --> 00:42:44,590 Great pop tune. I like the production on it, and she just 820 00:42:44,620 --> 00:42:48,550 didn't understand it, and she said just vile things, you know, 821 00:42:48,670 --> 00:42:52,510 like how she came about coming up with the song, and just 822 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,020 nasty. 823 00:42:53,410 --> 00:42:55,840 She's Taylor Swift's gonna be somebody, I think. 824 00:42:56,140 --> 00:42:57,580 I think she's gonna go play Scott. She's 825 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,330 got something going, 826 00:42:58,510 --> 00:43:01,110 you know. This Ella Langley doesn't take her over. Yeah, 827 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,760 so Larry, you know, you say you've been married 42 years. I 828 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,330 mean, good grief, the ups and downs of the road life and 829 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,480 whatnot. I mean, she has to be an angel to have put up with 830 00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:19,890 it this long. Yeah, only an angel would put up with what 831 00:43:20,130 --> 00:43:21,740 I've made her put up with, because 832 00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:23,210 that's a country song, right there. 833 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,350 Yeah, kind of tongue twisted there for a minute. It is 834 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,750 amazing that she was able to survive it with two little kids 835 00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:38,000 hanging out at Bellevue Mall every other day, Tony 836 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,170 B and his kids. 837 00:43:39,350 --> 00:43:46,330 Yeah, exactly. And you know, so I don't really know what to say 838 00:43:46,420 --> 00:43:51,370 about that. I mean, I have no idea. I don't know. I have no 839 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,050 idea why she stuck in there with me, other than a good thing 840 00:43:56,140 --> 00:43:56,350 again. 841 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,120 Yeah, well, come on, man, you're a good guy, 842 00:43:59,140 --> 00:44:02,310 you know. But I wasn't around for. I'd be gone for six weeks 843 00:44:02,370 --> 00:44:04,020 at a time. I mean, did she ever 844 00:44:04,110 --> 00:44:05,280 go out on the road with you at all? 845 00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:09,270 Hardly ever, unless it was an award show or out to California, 846 00:44:10,260 --> 00:44:13,770 gonna be out there for a few days or something. But you know, 847 00:44:14,310 --> 00:44:15,630 she had the young kids, 848 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:15,900 yeah, 849 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,890 and we didn't have family in town, so you know, we didn't 850 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,310 have a whole lot of.. she didn't have a whole lot of help. 851 00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:25,070 Yeah, boy, I could relate to that. My wife and I went through 852 00:44:25,070 --> 00:44:26,390 the same thing with our two kids. 853 00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:29,090 See, I should have introduced myself to him at the Bellevue 854 00:44:29,180 --> 00:44:30,590 Mall, because we could have watched the kids, for 855 00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:34,820 we just, you know, with one of them, we just come dump them at 856 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:44,350 their hat, your house, but he's got two kids now, three. Wow, 857 00:44:44,770 --> 00:44:48,580 he's got three. Brock, my son, we tell him he was the worst 858 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,910 child in the history of mankind. He's one of the great young 859 00:44:52,060 --> 00:44:55,090 gentlemen you've ever met in your life. He is really has a 860 00:44:55,150 --> 00:45:00,690 great family and wife and three boys now. Are a handful, 861 00:45:01,770 --> 00:45:02,700 he's getting paid back. 862 00:45:03,060 --> 00:45:04,710 Oh, he's getting paid back big time. 863 00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:07,350 That's good. That's a good thing, 864 00:45:07,470 --> 00:45:07,860 right there. 865 00:45:08,730 --> 00:45:12,450 Then my daughter and her husband, they've got two, nine 866 00:45:12,510 --> 00:45:13,350 and seven. And 867 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:14,820 so, 868 00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:17,310 man, that sounds stunned in my house when we have the whole 869 00:45:17,370 --> 00:45:21,020 family over. You got those kids? It is wild. 870 00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:21,860 Well, I bet. 871 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:22,220 Yeah, 872 00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:26,450 so did the children ever have any musical aspirations? 873 00:45:26,450 --> 00:45:28,460 No, because I told them I ever catch you on that piano again, 874 00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:32,420 you're going to be grounded. You will not be a member of 875 00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:33,260 the Lazy River Bowl. 876 00:45:37,220 --> 00:45:40,310 They laugh at me, but they never got in the music industry, so 877 00:45:41,090 --> 00:45:41,770 they play anything. 878 00:45:42,490 --> 00:45:42,550 No, 879 00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:43,090 no, 880 00:45:43,780 --> 00:45:48,430 no. Wow, my son, Brock, he, he won a talent contest in 881 00:45:48,490 --> 00:45:52,390 elementary school, then he never sang again. I've never heard him 882 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:52,930 sing since. 883 00:45:53,980 --> 00:45:54,040 Wow, 884 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,410 sports guy, he's a trainer. 885 00:45:57,070 --> 00:45:57,430 Oh, there you go. 886 00:45:58,150 --> 00:46:01,830 And you know, I don't know, I guess they figured Dad did it, 887 00:46:02,010 --> 00:46:04,980 so we got to do something else. I don't know. I'm surprised that 888 00:46:06,780 --> 00:46:14,340 now my daughter sings like a drunk hyena. There was no chance 889 00:46:14,370 --> 00:46:17,700 for her, thank goodness. Brock had really cool voice. 890 00:46:18,540 --> 00:46:21,330 Well, you know, you always hear touring musicians, especially 891 00:46:21,690 --> 00:46:26,090 lament about the family time missed. I'm sure, man, that had 892 00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:29,090 to, had to get to you after a while, missing all those moments 893 00:46:29,180 --> 00:46:29,780 with the kids. 894 00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:36,890 Well, in the night, in the 90s, when, when Restless Heart wasn't 895 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,780 touring, I was coaching. 896 00:46:39,410 --> 00:46:39,920 Oh yeah, 897 00:46:40,070 --> 00:46:41,050 so I coached both of them, 898 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:41,680 okay, cool, 899 00:46:42,430 --> 00:46:47,080 for you know, three or four years during that, you know, 900 00:46:47,290 --> 00:46:52,990 that six year old to 12 year old time, and so I got to make up 901 00:46:53,260 --> 00:47:00,870 for some of that being gone, but then this, this, this guy that 902 00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:04,140 just looked in at us just now, you know, looked like Eddie, 903 00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:05,580 like drums for wrestles, heartfelt, 904 00:47:05,580 --> 00:47:09,240 yeah, he did. He did. I thought was Eddie Van Halen for a 905 00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:09,540 minute. 906 00:47:14,130 --> 00:47:17,130 The it's funny because I mean you're in a really good 907 00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:19,260 position, especially with the front men, because I think with 908 00:47:19,260 --> 00:47:23,600 the whole notion and age of AI, as it's coming down, live music 909 00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:26,450 is gonna be at the forefront. I mean, that's the good way all 910 00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:28,670 the artists gonna have to make money, you know. As 911 00:47:28,789 --> 00:47:30,829 I'm so nervous about AI, about all that. 912 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,620 Yeah, there is nerves and everything, but you know, 913 00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:38,150 you know, people still want to be entertained. Thank you, Lord. 914 00:47:38,330 --> 00:47:40,040 Yeah, especially more so now. 915 00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:46,030 I mean, when you, when you can take, when you take country 916 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,880 music artists and fill up a football stadium for three 917 00:47:51,940 --> 00:47:52,270 nights, 918 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:52,540 yeah, 919 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,120 what does that tell you? It's 920 00:47:55,210 --> 00:47:56,350 a big deal, actually. 921 00:47:56,650 --> 00:48:00,160 You know, it's just, you know, it's just really, first of all, 922 00:48:00,220 --> 00:48:02,880 country music has taken the world by storm. Number one, 923 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,730 number two, I mean the artist and the music, and I don't know, 924 00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:13,410 man, people just people are loving the country music genre 925 00:48:13,530 --> 00:48:16,620 out there, and you know, boy, we're feeling it. 926 00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:20,450 Well, I mean, you had Morgan Wallen number one on the Hot 100 927 00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:25,700 billboard chart for like 12 weeks, you know, not just the 928 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,560 country chart, but the the 929 00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:30,230 chart. He overtook Taylor, right? Right, 930 00:48:30,260 --> 00:48:30,740 yeah, he did. 931 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,830 Yeah, you know, you mentioned you were a demo singer. I mean, 932 00:48:33,860 --> 00:48:36,860 this whole AI thing, you know, demos, 933 00:48:36,979 --> 00:48:37,399 you don't need 934 00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:41,740 a demo singers. Yeah, that's that's going to be an art that's 935 00:48:41,860 --> 00:48:42,790 going to be a thing of the past. 936 00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:45,520 We'll tell the computer who you want to sound like on this demo, 937 00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:46,960 and that'll, it'll sing it for you. 938 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:48,280 Yeah, that's 939 00:48:48,820 --> 00:48:51,850 that's scary. Yes, it is. And it's, it's happening in every.. 940 00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:55,210 I mean, it's not just music, it's radio, it's everything, 941 00:48:55,330 --> 00:48:58,630 all the creatives, all the white-collar jobs too. Yeah, 942 00:48:59,740 --> 00:49:02,580 like I joke, my daughter's in UTC, and she's like, 'I'm going 943 00:49:02,580 --> 00:49:05,970 to major in psychiatry, and I go, 'No, I said someone's going 944 00:49:05,970 --> 00:49:07,620 to come out with an app and you're going to pay all to play, 945 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,760 you know, 2999 a month and build your own avatar of a 946 00:49:11,940 --> 00:49:12,330 psychiatrist. 947 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:12,570 Well, I 948 00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:15,030 go to my doctor now, and he pulled his phone, let me look at 949 00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:18,630 that. I don't know, he's not showing me, but it could be Chat 950 00:49:18,780 --> 00:49:23,450 GPT, how to treat me or what I need. Oh, 951 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:24,560 he's looking at boats. 952 00:49:28,310 --> 00:49:31,160 This patient right here is going to give me that cigarette boat 953 00:49:31,340 --> 00:49:36,410 center concert going down to Hall Over Inlet. The other thing 954 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,380 I like it, I think there's a model of business model that 955 00:49:39,380 --> 00:49:41,060 could come out, and it's probably already happening. We 956 00:49:41,180 --> 00:49:44,350 already saw, and we've discussed it on the show before. Breaking 957 00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:48,160 Rust, that happened two, three months ago, it was a completely 958 00:49:48,610 --> 00:49:52,180 AI-generated artist, completely AI-generated song that actually 959 00:49:52,420 --> 00:49:55,180 charted number one on the digital charts on the stream, 960 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,020 and somebody hacked it, somebody just figured it out, and they 961 00:49:59,110 --> 00:50:02,280 hacked it somehow. Yeah, but if I'm an artist, and I want to, 962 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,260 like, if Jim McCarthy wants to go and sing, okay? Chat GPT, 963 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,170 here's a picture of my body. Tell me how to dress. What's a 964 00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:14,250 good branded look, you know? Here's a sample of my voice. 965 00:50:14,550 --> 00:50:18,420 Write an album, songs that's in my range that I could possibly 966 00:50:18,540 --> 00:50:21,530 sing, and blah blah blah. Put it all together. Here's the 967 00:50:21,650 --> 00:50:25,730 package, and all I got to do is replicate it live. Does that 968 00:50:25,790 --> 00:50:29,390 sound plausible for somebody coming up? 969 00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:30,980 That's a good question. 970 00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:31,249 Yes, it 971 00:50:31,970 --> 00:50:34,370 is. I think that's it's easy. It's just, you know, you tell me 972 00:50:34,490 --> 00:50:35,120 what I need to do. 973 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,100 Well, you've already got some artists out there that are not 974 00:50:40,220 --> 00:50:40,960 actually singing, 975 00:50:41,950 --> 00:50:42,340 that is true. 976 00:50:42,730 --> 00:50:46,690 Yeah, I remember when Phil Valentine put together this 977 00:50:47,050 --> 00:50:52,810 group called Chadwick Station, and he listed on it that these 978 00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:56,050 different band members, it was all him and Bill Cuomo, 979 00:50:56,770 --> 00:50:56,950 really, 980 00:50:57,130 --> 00:50:59,020 yeah, and, and, but at 981 00:50:59,050 --> 00:50:59,740 least they were singing. 982 00:51:00,430 --> 00:51:04,290 Well, they were, I mean, yeah, it wasn't AI, but it wasn't, it 983 00:51:04,350 --> 00:51:09,180 wasn't a true band, like he was, and it started getting traction 984 00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:12,990 over in Europe, and he came to me, and he goes, man, they're 985 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,540 wanting it, and they're wanting an interview with Alvis, the 986 00:51:15,870 --> 00:51:21,410 lead singer, Alvis Kensington, and they thought it was real, 987 00:51:21,470 --> 00:51:24,170 and I said, "Well, you, if I were you, I'd play the Prince 988 00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:27,410 card and just say I'm an artiste, I don't do interviews, 989 00:51:27,590 --> 00:51:30,200 right? And I don't know if he went with that or not, but that 990 00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:34,850 was so bizarre that it was taken off in Europe. Wow, that's 991 00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:36,920 crazy. Yeah, not even a real band. 992 00:51:38,810 --> 00:51:42,400 Yeah, I mean, we're seeing the advent of just Milly Vanilla and 993 00:51:42,490 --> 00:51:43,120 steroids. 994 00:51:43,570 --> 00:51:44,200 Oh yeah, we 995 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:44,680 really are. 996 00:51:45,250 --> 00:51:45,310 Yeah. 997 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,060 Now you can answer this question or not. Do you guys use tracks 998 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,500 on stage at all, or anything? One 999 00:51:51,820 --> 00:51:52,090 song, one 1000 00:51:52,420 --> 00:51:52,630 song, no, 1001 00:51:52,960 --> 00:52:02,860 two songs. It's a new song that Richie wrote, called Made Their 1002 00:52:02,890 --> 00:52:03,600 Moll. mark. Yeah, 1003 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,450 you're still writing, and everything that's cool. 1004 00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:08,310 Yeah, Richie's writing a lot, 1005 00:52:08,550 --> 00:52:09,720 really. It is good, 1006 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,070 yeah. Um, that's it. Everything else is live, 1007 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:15,120 beautiful, 1008 00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:17,490 yeah. To a click, huh? 1009 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:18,420 Is it to a click? 1010 00:52:19,260 --> 00:52:19,320 Yeah, 1011 00:52:19,770 --> 00:52:21,980 really, because I might. That's the other thing that you could 1012 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,760 fight against AI is getting back into the studio in a very 1013 00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:30,650 organic setting, you know, like they used to in the 2070s and 1014 00:52:30,740 --> 00:52:34,100 80s, just, you know, humans looking at each other for cues, 1015 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,000 you know. I think that'll be because that's human certified 1016 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,450 feel, you know what I mean, 1017 00:52:41,470 --> 00:52:44,350 yeah, the, you know, like the band, and everybody, they, they 1018 00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:47,980 like the click, so they can make it tight, 1019 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:48,880 right? Yeah, 1020 00:52:49,420 --> 00:52:50,830 I don't have click in my ears, 1021 00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:51,370 right? 1022 00:52:51,730 --> 00:52:53,740 I'm the only one on stage that doesn't hear a click, 1023 00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:57,130 right? I have to, as a drummer, I have to have click, 1024 00:52:57,159 --> 00:52:57,969 but you have to, yeah, 1025 00:52:58,510 --> 00:52:58,570 yeah, 1026 00:53:00,340 --> 00:53:00,400 so 1027 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:03,810 yeah, I mean, if I'm a vocalist, that click would probably bug 1028 00:53:03,870 --> 00:53:04,380 the hell out. Yeah, 1029 00:53:04,830 --> 00:53:06,480 I'm too old school for to 1030 00:53:06,510 --> 00:53:06,690 have a 1031 00:53:06,810 --> 00:53:07,740 click clicking in my ear 1032 00:53:07,860 --> 00:53:07,950 while 1033 00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:08,580 trying to sing. 1034 00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:09,630 I could imagine. Yeah, 1035 00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:11,910 it's funny, because you couldn't do that back in the wedge days. 1036 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:12,540 No. 1037 00:53:15,930 --> 00:53:19,680 So, our future, a future guest on this on this podcast, Chris 1038 00:53:19,770 --> 00:53:22,490 Goldman is going to be on here, and he did play drums for you 1039 00:53:22,550 --> 00:53:23,210 guys at one time. 1040 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:24,890 He sure did. John 1041 00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:25,640 was he trouble? 1042 00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:26,180 Oh, 1043 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,560 I've known Chris for 30 something years. 1044 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:33,740 Yeah, 1045 00:53:34,370 --> 00:53:34,430 wow. 1046 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,760 And good guy. Yeah, so, so John had to have some surgery or 1047 00:53:37,820 --> 00:53:39,650 something, so he was out a little bit. Chris came out, 1048 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:40,580 killed 1049 00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:41,260 it. Nice, 1050 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:42,910 that dude can play anything. 1051 00:53:42,910 --> 00:53:43,270 He's so 1052 00:53:43,420 --> 00:53:43,840 talented, 1053 00:53:43,930 --> 00:53:44,680 he can play piano. 1054 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,020 He's got a head full of hair, and he's good looking. I hate 1055 00:53:47,050 --> 00:53:47,140 him. 1056 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,330 Oh yeah, I'm jealous of him too, man. 1057 00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:50,020 I 1058 00:53:50,140 --> 00:53:51,520 can tell my wife's in love with him. 1059 00:53:51,850 --> 00:53:51,940 You're 1060 00:53:51,970 --> 00:53:53,320 still good looking, you still have a head full. 1061 00:53:53,710 --> 00:53:54,520 Oh God, thank you. 1062 00:53:55,690 --> 00:53:58,240 A massive amount of talent. Oh my 1063 00:53:58,420 --> 00:53:59,110 god, oh my gosh, 1064 00:53:59,350 --> 00:54:00,390 man. I googled do 1065 00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:05,190 GPT told you 1066 00:54:07,470 --> 00:54:10,140 wasn't the program, the general manager of the station. 1067 00:54:13,590 --> 00:54:14,460 Inside jokes, it 1068 00:54:14,850 --> 00:54:17,880 was a man. It's been so fun having you on. 1069 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:19,230 Thanks so much for having 1070 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,330 time. Yeah, it's been 1071 00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:23,270 super, and we wish you guys a lot of success, and we want to 1072 00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:24,440 come see you sometime. 1073 00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:29,510 Well, you need to, because I don't mind telling you, it's a 1074 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,470 fun show. We did do the Franklin Theater, yeah, a couple of weeks 1075 00:54:33,530 --> 00:54:33,650 ago. 1076 00:54:33,950 --> 00:54:35,090 You did the Mule House too, 1077 00:54:35,210 --> 00:54:39,380 we did the Mule House, so just have a little fun doing some 1078 00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:39,890 stuff around 1079 00:54:40,340 --> 00:54:43,030 here. Tina Rogers, that runs Americanaville over in 1080 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:47,290 Livingston, who's a friend of mine, and I've brought Ax on for 1081 00:54:47,380 --> 00:54:50,800 her at the show, and I know you guys played there, and I didn't 1082 00:54:50,830 --> 00:54:53,620 get in Livingston, Tennessee, I didn't get a chance to be at 1083 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,340 that show because I was had another engagement, so I was 1084 00:54:57,550 --> 00:55:01,680 really upset that I missed it, I. I had, I actually did a phone 1085 00:55:01,740 --> 00:55:03,960 interview with Richie for, for that show. Oh, 1086 00:55:04,260 --> 00:55:04,320 yeah, 1087 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,170 yeah, but yeah, definitely want to get out and see you guys. 1088 00:55:07,260 --> 00:55:09,840 Where can folks, you know, you mentioned the website and all, 1089 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,930 but is that really where folks can find where you've going to 1090 00:55:12,930 --> 00:55:13,320 be? And 1091 00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:17,640 Front Men live.com is our website, and just go to tours, 1092 00:55:18,090 --> 00:55:22,100 we keep the, we keep it updated, and you can kind of see where 1093 00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:24,650 we're going and what we've been doing, and just, you know, we've 1094 00:55:24,740 --> 00:55:27,830 got, you know, all the social media, we got, as Tim says, fake 1095 00:55:27,950 --> 00:55:32,810 book and Tic Tac, and all against the flam, and all that's 1096 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:36,290 pretty good, 1097 00:55:38,210 --> 00:55:40,040 we post something every day, so, 1098 00:55:40,490 --> 00:55:41,830 and you have your own site as well. 1099 00:55:41,980 --> 00:55:45,160 I got my own site, Larry Stewart, you know, and got a 1100 00:55:45,220 --> 00:55:52,300 couple of Facebook pages to that, and you know, Richie does 1101 00:55:52,420 --> 00:55:55,840 too. But I don't post a whole lot anymore, you know, some I 1102 00:55:55,930 --> 00:55:59,080 do, but I just, we just are posting on front men right now. 1103 00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,890 Well, you're just too busy, you got things to do, 1104 00:56:02,550 --> 00:56:07,440 little too busy, and I just try to stay out of trouble. So, if I 1105 00:56:07,740 --> 00:56:09,870 to keep me out of trouble, I just don't post. 1106 00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:14,130 I wish more people would. I wish more people would do that. 1107 00:56:14,340 --> 00:56:16,470 Actually, we were just talking about that in a previous 1108 00:56:16,620 --> 00:56:19,830 episode, but we definitely appreciate you coming on today, 1109 00:56:20,130 --> 00:56:22,070 and it's just great to meet you after all this 1110 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,600 time, man. It has been a long time. I can't believe it. I'm 1111 00:56:26,690 --> 00:56:29,060 just now meeting you, listening to you for years. 1112 00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:30,980 Well, I see. I've been listening, hanging out at the 1113 00:56:31,100 --> 00:56:34,820 little playground at the ball. Hello to each other. 1114 00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:39,140 Unbelievable, Jay. Tell them where they can check out more 1115 00:56:39,140 --> 00:56:40,130 about circling the drink. 1116 00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:43,900 Well, by all means, the best place, of course, is the website 1117 00:56:44,050 --> 00:56:47,800 circlingthedrain.net and of course, you can find us on all 1118 00:56:47,890 --> 00:56:51,940 the audio platforms, the Apple Podcasts, all that stuff, social 1119 00:56:51,970 --> 00:56:55,240 media. We don't post all that much either, but we try to get 1120 00:56:55,390 --> 00:56:59,590 ourselves out there, Facebook and YouTube, and all the usual 1121 00:56:59,710 --> 00:57:03,060 places, but the website Circling the drain.net that's where you 1122 00:57:03,090 --> 00:57:04,140 can find everything. 1123 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,870 Thank you, Brother Jay. Thank you, Jim. Yes, sir. Of course, 1124 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,530 thank you, Larry. And see us next time on Circling the Drain, 1125 00:57:17,370 --> 00:57:17,430 you.