WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.343 --> 00:00:02.443 Jethro Jones: Welcome to a vision for learning. 00:00:02.563 --> 00:00:05.443 I am Jethro Jones, your host, and I am. 00:00:05.743 --> 00:00:07.843 Very excited about this podcast. 00:00:08.533 --> 00:00:10.963 Yes, we're going to talk a lot about. 00:00:11.473 --> 00:00:14.323 The apple vision pro and AI. 00:00:14.773 --> 00:00:17.593 This podcast is really going to delve into. 00:00:17.983 --> 00:00:20.113 All different aspects of. 00:00:20.613 --> 00:00:23.863 The future of what learning looks like. 00:00:24.363 --> 00:00:29.043 Now I am trying to be careful to not just say the future of education. 00:00:29.403 --> 00:00:30.873 But the future of learning. 00:00:31.203 --> 00:00:32.613 Because there is a lot. 00:00:33.153 --> 00:00:38.583 About the education system that is just not working for a lot of people. 00:00:39.063 --> 00:00:41.823 And if you've been listening to Transformative Principal, my other 00:00:41.823 --> 00:00:46.413 podcast for any amount of time, you know, That I have strong feelings about 00:00:46.593 --> 00:00:52.173 our education system and how it leaves a lot to be desired for a lot of people. 00:00:52.593 --> 00:00:55.443 I'm not going to go into that a ton here right now. 00:00:56.193 --> 00:00:59.253 But I do want to talk about a couple of things as it relates 00:00:59.253 --> 00:01:00.453 to the apple vision pro. 00:01:01.083 --> 00:01:03.993 I will be getting mine on February 2nd. 00:01:04.263 --> 00:01:06.453 That night you can expect. 00:01:06.843 --> 00:01:09.333 A podcast for me about that. 00:01:09.963 --> 00:01:10.653 I will. 00:01:11.153 --> 00:01:16.853 Probably do a video with it as well, so that you can get a view. 00:01:17.303 --> 00:01:19.313 Of the apple vision pro. 00:01:19.613 --> 00:01:22.313 There's a lot of other people out there who are doing this stuff, 00:01:22.343 --> 00:01:26.813 but this is really specifically focused on the learning environment. 00:01:27.413 --> 00:01:30.653 So one of the concerns that I've heard about AI. 00:01:31.043 --> 00:01:32.933 And about the vision pro. 00:01:33.663 --> 00:01:38.103 People are concerned about losing the personal connection with students. 00:01:38.763 --> 00:01:43.233 Today I did an interview on Transformative Principal and we talked with Erin Bailey. 00:01:43.533 --> 00:01:47.643 From reading is fundamental and she brought up the issue that computers 00:01:47.673 --> 00:01:50.043 can't do, what humans can do. 00:01:50.703 --> 00:01:52.683 Now to be honest, that remains to be seen. 00:01:52.863 --> 00:01:56.013 But I do want to stress that if we lose the personal connection, 00:01:56.613 --> 00:01:57.903 we're going to be in trouble. 00:01:58.383 --> 00:02:02.103 Because if we don't have that personal connection, And we're not 00:02:02.103 --> 00:02:06.273 able to continue having that personal connection with our students. 00:02:07.023 --> 00:02:09.243 That's going to create problems. 00:02:09.303 --> 00:02:09.903 Why? 00:02:09.993 --> 00:02:13.863 Because we, as human beings are connecting beings. 00:02:14.373 --> 00:02:18.423 And I think this is so important for us to think about. 00:02:18.923 --> 00:02:22.673 So in the show notes for this episode, there are two videos that 00:02:22.673 --> 00:02:24.413 I would like you to check out. 00:02:24.923 --> 00:02:26.033 That I think are pretty cool. 00:02:26.063 --> 00:02:29.763 Both are from ex one of them is showing the jig space app. 00:02:30.153 --> 00:02:33.833 On the apple vision pro and what that app does basically is. 00:02:34.583 --> 00:02:37.613 It allows you to look at manipulate and see. 00:02:38.113 --> 00:02:42.223 3d items in your space right in front of you. 00:02:42.523 --> 00:02:43.723 You can resize them. 00:02:43.723 --> 00:02:45.703 You can move them around. 00:02:45.763 --> 00:02:47.923 You can look inside, break them apart. 00:02:47.953 --> 00:02:50.053 It's really amazing. 00:02:50.553 --> 00:02:53.433 For people who don't have. 00:02:53.973 --> 00:02:57.903 Very good spatial awareness or see, can see how big things really are. 00:02:58.323 --> 00:03:02.673 Putting something at one-to-one scale could be a really powerful way. 00:03:03.503 --> 00:03:05.163 to help people really understand. 00:03:05.673 --> 00:03:06.723 How things work. 00:03:07.023 --> 00:03:08.043 At a different level. 00:03:08.793 --> 00:03:14.523 So that is one really neat looking way, too. 00:03:14.553 --> 00:03:16.533 I learn about space. 00:03:16.533 --> 00:03:18.153 Learn about how things work. 00:03:18.513 --> 00:03:20.763 I can see a lot of really cool potential. 00:03:21.603 --> 00:03:25.743 One of the other things that I is in the show notes that I encourage you to 00:03:25.743 --> 00:03:31.363 check out is an interview I did with Matt show say on Transformative Principal. 00:03:31.863 --> 00:03:32.913 Matt Shaw. 00:03:33.413 --> 00:03:37.403 Matt Shuster with Matt shall say on Transformative Principal, he 00:03:37.403 --> 00:03:41.213 runs a company called be more colorful than make a product called. 00:03:41.723 --> 00:03:43.163 Career view XR. 00:03:43.523 --> 00:03:48.143 And what career view XR does is it gives students an opportunity to go. 00:03:48.503 --> 00:03:50.543 Basically do a day in the life. 00:03:50.903 --> 00:03:53.873 Of a worker in some. 00:03:54.563 --> 00:03:56.483 Career that they might be interested in. 00:03:57.293 --> 00:04:00.053 Now they've already created all this content and you don't have to 00:04:00.053 --> 00:04:03.413 have a apple vision pro to use it because they're already doing it. 00:04:03.803 --> 00:04:07.253 And they've been getting some good recognition for that work. 00:04:07.753 --> 00:04:11.383 But in this interview, we talk about what that looks like and how powerful 00:04:11.383 --> 00:04:13.153 it can be for someone to really. 00:04:14.053 --> 00:04:18.043 Experience what it's like to go do that job when there may not be 00:04:18.043 --> 00:04:20.443 anybody physically close to them. 00:04:20.983 --> 00:04:23.053 Who could really show them how to do it. 00:04:23.053 --> 00:04:23.533 So these. 00:04:24.053 --> 00:04:25.343 Augmented reality. 00:04:26.183 --> 00:04:30.593 Experiences or virtual reality experiences can be very powerful for them. 00:04:31.093 --> 00:04:32.563 And finally the third thing. 00:04:33.013 --> 00:04:34.483 That I hope you'll check out. 00:04:34.993 --> 00:04:36.903 Is X user. 00:04:37.517 --> 00:04:40.368 At johnnymotion . Talks about. 00:04:41.028 --> 00:04:43.278 Doing a spatial F1. 00:04:43.758 --> 00:04:46.938 Broadcast app as the killer app for the vision pro. 00:04:47.628 --> 00:04:50.478 And his whole video's called it's only two and a half minutes. 00:04:50.628 --> 00:04:51.858 Definitely worth looking. 00:04:52.218 --> 00:04:55.098 But he says something in there that I think is so powerful. 00:04:55.098 --> 00:04:57.772 He says it's about the mindset needed for these apps. 00:04:57.962 --> 00:04:59.482 Here he is in his own words: 00:05:00.407 --> 00:05:02.297 John LePore: A lot of my clients are asking what would make a 00:05:02.297 --> 00:05:04.007 killer app for Apple Vision Pro. 00:05:04.307 --> 00:05:07.817 Our quick pitch is a spatial F1 broadcast, an idea which actually earned 00:05:07.817 --> 00:05:09.737 a trophy from Louis Hamilton himself. 00:05:09.797 --> 00:05:12.857 But most importantly, I think it's a great example of the mindset required 00:05:13.067 --> 00:05:15.137 for any of these emerging technologies. 00:05:15.527 --> 00:05:18.977 I spent my career blending visual effects and user experience to create 00:05:18.977 --> 00:05:22.517 real end fictional technologies, and I'm also a giant F1 freak. 00:05:22.517 --> 00:05:22.997 I love that. 00:05:22.997 --> 00:05:25.307 Formula One is this tech-centric competition. 00:05:25.307 --> 00:05:29.207 I believe it should be the benchmark for the way we combine sports and technology. 00:05:29.537 --> 00:05:33.287 The Apple Vision Pro allows for all kinds of new experiences, but so far 00:05:33.287 --> 00:05:37.067 most of the things I've seen emphasize content in Windows, and I wanna see 00:05:37.067 --> 00:05:38.477 something that goes beyond that. 00:05:38.837 --> 00:05:39.377 Sure. 00:05:39.407 --> 00:05:43.157 Uh, I wanna put Windows and data everywhere, but you can kind of already 00:05:43.157 --> 00:05:45.107 do this with the awesome multi-viewer app. 00:05:45.377 --> 00:05:48.827 But what if I really took advantage of both my physical viewing space and 00:05:48.832 --> 00:05:50.777 the geography of the event itself? 00:05:51.107 --> 00:05:54.797 There's something so appealing about an architectural model, but alive 00:05:54.797 --> 00:05:58.482 and in perfect sync with a reality unfolding thousands of miles away. 00:05:59.112 --> 00:06:00.012 Jethro Jones: Here's the other thing. 00:06:00.372 --> 00:06:04.092 The thing that I really liked about what John said was that it's about 00:06:04.092 --> 00:06:06.582 the mindset needed for these apps. 00:06:07.002 --> 00:06:11.562 That you really have to think outside of the box that we already have. 00:06:12.162 --> 00:06:14.322 Think outside of what we're already doing. 00:06:14.622 --> 00:06:20.352 To find ways to adapt to a new platform or a new way of doing things. 00:06:20.852 --> 00:06:21.872 And this is key. 00:06:22.232 --> 00:06:26.672 So many of us struggle with this idea of thinking outside of the box that we're in. 00:06:27.362 --> 00:06:30.092 We don't know how it's possible. 00:06:30.392 --> 00:06:31.742 To do some of these things. 00:06:32.672 --> 00:06:34.742 Another example, I was doing another interview today. 00:06:35.222 --> 00:06:36.872 And w I was talking with the. 00:06:37.682 --> 00:06:38.882 Tiffany quite yet, the. 00:06:39.382 --> 00:06:43.172 Assistant director of the Connecticut association of schools. 00:06:43.622 --> 00:06:47.462 And she was talking about how there's a new law in Connecticut. 00:06:47.852 --> 00:06:51.812 That requires play-based learning to happen in pre-K and kindergarten 00:06:52.202 --> 00:06:54.662 and allows it to happen in first through fifth grade. 00:06:55.162 --> 00:06:57.862 And one of the things we talked about is that. 00:06:58.342 --> 00:07:02.842 Teachers may have wanted this for years may have thought this 00:07:02.842 --> 00:07:04.462 was exactly what they needed. 00:07:04.762 --> 00:07:08.332 But then when the time comes to actually do it, They don't 00:07:08.332 --> 00:07:10.882 necessarily know how to start. 00:07:10.882 --> 00:07:11.962 Play-based learning. 00:07:12.352 --> 00:07:14.992 In their classrooms, even though they may have believed that it 00:07:14.992 --> 00:07:17.332 was worthwhile for a long time. 00:07:17.832 --> 00:07:20.772 And so we have to change how we're thinking about things. 00:07:21.282 --> 00:07:23.742 When I first went to town on middle school to be a principal. 00:07:24.242 --> 00:07:29.342 The goal for the district was to become a personalized learning district. 00:07:29.972 --> 00:07:32.162 And as we started going down that path. 00:07:32.552 --> 00:07:36.962 We saw that many of the systems and processes that we had in our school 00:07:36.962 --> 00:07:39.722 system already needed to change. 00:07:40.202 --> 00:07:43.682 To adapt to that kind of different environment. 00:07:44.432 --> 00:07:47.222 It's not easy to make those kinds of changes, but we've got to 00:07:47.222 --> 00:07:50.312 be able to think outside of the box of what we're already doing. 00:07:50.812 --> 00:07:56.002 One last thing I'll say, and I got this from a conversation with 00:07:56.152 --> 00:08:00.172 someone in a text right today, and he echoed a sentiment that. 00:08:00.562 --> 00:08:01.762 I've heard a lot that. 00:08:02.262 --> 00:08:05.172 And tell we have everybody have one of these. 00:08:05.832 --> 00:08:06.882 In my classroom. 00:08:07.602 --> 00:08:08.742 I can't do anything with it. 00:08:09.242 --> 00:08:09.992 And. 00:08:10.932 --> 00:08:14.262 When the iPad came out, I saw that. 00:08:15.162 --> 00:08:18.102 But I got an iPad right away, started using it, started seeing 00:08:18.102 --> 00:08:19.422 how I could use it in schools. 00:08:19.822 --> 00:08:22.492 And there are a lot of things that you could still do. 00:08:22.942 --> 00:08:26.572 Even before the multi-user thing was available and the multi-user thing 00:08:26.572 --> 00:08:28.492 on an iPad, it's really not great. 00:08:29.062 --> 00:08:31.822 But there are still ways that you can use these tools. 00:08:32.332 --> 00:08:36.562 Even without there being an individual one for every student. 00:08:37.252 --> 00:08:40.912 This person I was texting with Aaron, he said, I think this was really good. 00:08:41.412 --> 00:08:44.742 What practical thing can I implement in my classroom tomorrow? 00:08:45.732 --> 00:08:50.172 And that's the approach that I think we need to take with all of these things. 00:08:50.772 --> 00:08:51.582 And right now. 00:08:52.302 --> 00:08:53.262 The answer is nothing. 00:08:53.562 --> 00:08:55.002 The device isn't even out yet. 00:08:55.392 --> 00:09:00.552 Could it be useful, maybe who knows, but what can you do 00:09:00.762 --> 00:09:01.902 in your classroom tomorrow? 00:09:01.902 --> 00:09:03.402 That is actually practical. 00:09:03.902 --> 00:09:06.962 That's one of the mindset shifts that we need to start making. 00:09:07.952 --> 00:09:09.962 So I look forward to hearing your comments. 00:09:10.322 --> 00:09:12.722 I got some interviews lined up already. 00:09:12.782 --> 00:09:15.092 Some people we're going to talk with about. 00:09:15.782 --> 00:09:19.952 This new world that we're living in and I'm excited for you to be here. 00:09:20.432 --> 00:09:24.542 If you haven't yet, please leave a rating and review in iTunes. 00:09:24.572 --> 00:09:26.942 Five stars only if you can't say anything. 00:09:26.942 --> 00:09:27.242 Nice. 00:09:27.242 --> 00:09:28.502 Don't say anything at all. 00:09:28.862 --> 00:09:31.742 And please share this with your friends and colleagues. 00:09:32.402 --> 00:09:34.892 And let's bring other people into this conversation. 00:09:34.892 --> 00:09:36.662 If you'd like to be part of the conversation. 00:09:37.052 --> 00:09:41.162 You can reach out to me on pretty much all the social medias at Jethro Jones. 00:09:41.582 --> 00:09:46.752 Or go to my website, a vision for learning.com and thanks again. 00:09:46.752 --> 00:09:49.902 Appreciate you being here and we'll see you next time.