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Riccardo Stewart: I wanna welcome
you guys back to another episode

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of the A-W-M-N-F-L podcast.

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My name is Ricardo Stewart, and I'm
your host and I'm joined with my friends

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Jeff Locke, Zach Miller and Sam Acho.

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Um, I wanna start First Fellows
with giving a disclaimer.

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I got a word puzzle behind me because
I'm saying at the beautiful Moxie

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Hotel and Louis Louisville, Kentucky.

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Uh, so don't let that distract you.

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But I wanna pick up where we left
off on the last episode because one.

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Sam, Zack, Jeff.

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You guys were bringing some knowledge
and understanding how athletes, elite

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athletes begin to create, sustain
and secure multi-generational wealth.

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And we started with talking about create,
and that is how an athlete, particularly

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NFL player, begins to create value.

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And that is using their physical, their
social, and their intellectual capital,

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which makes up their human capital.

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And then we talked about, okay, once
you create value, what happens is

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teams, companies, brands, they begin
to compensate you for that value.

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And we used one particular player,
Sam, your friend, Brock Purdy, and

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looking at his contract and going, he
was able to capture now that value and

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now he is got this amazing contract.

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And there's something that happens
when you get to that second contract.

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Third contract in the NFL.

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You.

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You go from being rich to what Chris
Rock says is there's a difference between

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being rich and then being wealthy.

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Meaning now you have life-changing
money where you need to understand

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how do I hire a team that begins
to not just have money managers

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or the phrase a financial advisor.

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What's beyond that?

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And that's something called a
family office, something that is.

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Far more comprehensive than what a
broker or a financial advisor can do.

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It's got way more depth than you
can understanding by just how

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hiring an accountant, but it's
everything you need to be fully

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successful in every area of life.

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And we'll talk more about that.

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But today I wanna just draw on your
guys' expertise financially, your 20

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plus years of NFL experience and really
talking about how do we move from create.

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To capture, to convert, meaning what
matters most is after tax dollars.

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And that's the money in my pocket.

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And so I'm gonna start first
with you, Jeff, and let's stay

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on the Purdy, the Purdy contract,
'cause that's pretty relevant.

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We usually say in order to have this
multi-generational wealth, that's

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a formula we use 40, 40, 20, 40% of
your money, um, taxes are, are gonna

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be gone away to taxes, give or take,
depending on what state you're in.

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40% you should have saved slash invest.

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Thinking about giving every dollar
you have a job and paying your

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future self and then living off 20%.

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Okay.

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In Purdy's case, that might be a little
different considering he's in California.

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So how does that breakdown for him?

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How does he convert Jeff?

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Jeff Locke: Yeah, so for Mr.

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Purdy, it's gonna be more like a 50.

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40 10, right?

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Unfortunately, California comes after a
lot more your wages than other states.

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So we're talking 50%.

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If he realizes this whole two
$65 million contract, 50%,

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half of that gone taxes, right?

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For him, probably spend about 10%, right?

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Still a lot of money.

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10% at 2 65 you can spend 26 million.

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Over the life of this contract.

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Think of some pretty cool
things with 26, right?

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And then 40% save.

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This is the important part.

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This is the part that sets you
up right after tax dollars.

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Go into the priorities you care about.

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So we're talking 110 ish million.

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If he plays his whole contract out,
ready to be used for what he cares

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about and for his family, their family.

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Going on generations

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pretty, pretty good amount.

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Riccardo Stewart: I mean,
it's a legit amount.

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Zach, we hammer you on this because
you've been through it, because you

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didn't as a player, move beyond an fa.

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Having a tax team and there's no
integration, and so it's well documented

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on this podcast that you've, you've
missed out on tax opportunities

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upwards to about $2 million.

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Okay?

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Now that you're wise and you've
got your CFP, you're super smart.

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You're sitting in your office
with your helmets behind you.

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I love it.

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Can you speak and give us the
wisdom of the truth in terms of.

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What does that mean from a
tax implication for Purdy?

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And what possible tax strategies might
he take advantage of given his situation?

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I.

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Zach Miller: Big contract numbers.

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Big tax numbers.

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So if you, if you just go to that 50%
number, that means Brock's gonna pay

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about $130 million in income taxes.

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I was there on my second contract
too, had to pay a massive amount of

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money in taxes, so it makes sense.

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To spend a lot of time paying
as little as possible on taxes.

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And there are strategies that do that.

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There's a lot of strategies
that you just won't get.

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If like I, in my case, you have an,
I had an fa, but you're not gonna

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get the advanced strategies that all
the wealthy do, all the single family

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office that work with the billionaires.

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You can get those strategies and
you should get those strategies

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as an elite NFL player.

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And it's, I mean, it.

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It's a multi-year thing.

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It's not just a one and done.

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You have to do it your, the
whole rest of your life.

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Brock will have to do tax planning
the whole rest of his life if he

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wants to save money on those taxes.

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And it's not just the income tax.

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Now we're talking about estate taxes.

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Now we're talking about
managing property taxes.

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There's a lot of other taxes
he's gonna have to manage.

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And then NFL teams don't always do
it, right, like they, the way they

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calculate where you play and allot the
income to those states, that actually

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starts to matter significantly.

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It's not just a few hundred
dollars, a few thousand dollars.

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It could be millions of dollars that
you should save by having your tax team.

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Check those things.

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Same thing now, residency where
you become a resident of that

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actually matters massively.

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All a lot of income you can
actually, um, keep in your pocket.

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You know, it always matters how much
money ends up in your pocket if you

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manage your residency property properly.

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California is always gonna want to
get as much as they possibly can.

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So does Brock, is he an Arizona?

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Should he be an Arizona resident?

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Should he go to a state income tax
free state and be a resident there?

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That's another thing.

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And then.

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Just assume when you make that
kind of money, you're gonna be,

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Brock's gonna be in the top tax
bracket the rest of his life.

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So all tax planning should be centered
around how much money can you take right

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now and push it out into the future
where you can manage that tax bracket

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even better, manage the income from it.

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Things like capital gains
now matter more than ever.

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All that.

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Those investment decisions all have
a tax bill, so it has to be proactive

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and it has to be done right now.

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It can't wait.

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Riccardo Stewart: I've heard you say
this before, Zach too, is the tax game

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is not just, just do it this year.

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It's how do you save the most
amount of taxes throughout your,

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your actual career and your life.

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And then I also heard you say
this before too, Zach, which I

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think is helpful, is it's not just
the tax when it comes to taxes.

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It's not necessarily a problem to be
solved, but it's a tension to be managed

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and how do you take advantage of that?

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So I'm gonna just stay with you real
quick, Zach, because this is your area.

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We talked about taxes.

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What about, given the contract that he
was able to capture and now convert, what

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kinda lifestyle in terms of the way in
which he lives, can he have potentially

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given the money that he's made?

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Zach Miller: Yeah, with that kind
of contract, I mean sustainably

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spending three to 4 million a year.

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I mean that, that works.

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If you have the right financial
structure, if you have the right setup,

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you're hitting your savings targets,
that money's invested in things that

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now becomes that future passive income.

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You've won the game.

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I mean, at that point you can
do ex extremely cool pro uh, uh,

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charitable strategies that benefit,
you know, generations down the line.

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You can do very cool things
with your money, get tax

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benefits from it, do it smartly.

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And then also set up, whether that's
some sort of, some sort of foundation,

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but then also you're, I mean, you're
spending three to 5 million a year

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depending on how many houses it, but
I mean, you still can run outta money.

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There is still the possibility there.

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We've seen it where guys have
earned 80 million, a hundred million

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dollars and they file for bankruptcy.

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That's hit the news.

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I've played with a few guys that have
actually done that, and so it's not.

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It's not like it's a guaranteed win
if as long as you manage the money and

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manage the cash the right way, you have
to win the cash flow game and understand

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like there is too much to spend.

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But for the most part, you
get set up the right way.

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You manage the tax bill, you
have the right investments.

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You can actually spend way more property,
can spend way more in his lifetime.

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Um, than, than just what his contract
earned, because that money will grow

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and there's no reason if he's not
a billionaire, his team failed him.

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Riccardo Stewart: Ooh, man, I like that.

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I mean, I don't like that his team
would fail him, but I like the fact

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that he could be a billionaire.

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Alright, Sam, you know him personally,
and we, we, we hear about him, we

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hear stories about him since Zach
and I, because we're in Arizona where

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he is from, and you hear just some
beautiful, amazing things about him.

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One of the things that you hear about
him is that he would be like the

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person who would be a giver and so,
and someone who would share his money.

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So what could that look like for someone
in his situation to be able to give, I.

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Sam Acho: The biggest lesson I
learned, Ricardo, even going through

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this process is this, this statement
I heard from a teammate of mine or a

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guy who I was kind of ahead of me, he
said that money is just a magnifier.

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That's all that it is.

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And so oftentimes people
get these big contracts.

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It's like, well, what do I do?

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And what's gonna happen?

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All that's gonna happen is
gonna expand and magnify what.

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you were doing before A giver.

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And so if you're someone who's
a giver, he's strategic as well.

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So now him and his wife get a
chance to be even more strategic

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when they wanna make an impact.

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So maybe it's a, a, a, an international
foundation, a or a nonprofit, a place

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like International Justice Mission
that's fighting human trafficking.

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Maybe that's a place they can donate.

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Right?

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Maybe it's a place, uh, more local.

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When I lived in Chicago, there were
some local things we did with me

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and my teammates in Chicago, but
he gets a chance to make an impact.

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There's also the conversation
maybe starts a private foundation.

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Which is a little bit more stringent
when it comes to some tax laws, but

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it gives you more freedom as, as
far as who you may want to give to.

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You talked earlier, Zach, about some
of the costs that come with that

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foundation, and so I think yes, the,
the number one thing is that money's

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a magnifier, but the number two is,
yes, there's an excitement, man.

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I get a chance.

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Let's say you want to give 10% of, of what
you've been able to, to, to earn, right?

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Let's say you maxed out
the whole contract, right?

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26 million, or let's say
it's after taxes, right?

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12 or so million.

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That's a huge way to make an impact.

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So there's an excitement there, but
also there's an idea of, okay, I wanna

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make sure I'm stewarding this well.

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And so that's when it comes to this idea
of, okay, how do I make sure I'm giving

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to the right people and giving in the
right way and in the right structure.

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There's also a whole nother
conversation about family, which

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we can have down the line, but the
biggest lesson that I learned is the

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fact that money is just a magnifier.

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And so with this larger contract,
it's a bigger opportunity

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to make a larger impact.

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Riccardo Stewart: So stepping back,
elite athletes one, you are able to

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create value capture with the contract.

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Now we're talking particularly convert.

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And we like to say there's
four uses of money.

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One is taxes.

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Biggest story of your wealth.

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Zach talked about that.

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The other one is you can spend your money.

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In this case, Brock Purdy may have
the opportunity to spend three to

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$4 million for the rest of his life.

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Then you can share your
money or give it with Sam.

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You just talked about that.

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And then there's this other one,
save slash invest Professor,

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I saved you for the last, but
you're definitely not the least.

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Speak to of what that could look
like for not only Brock Purdy,

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but someone in his, in his shoes.

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Jeff Locke: Yeah, you can't just put
$110 million under the mattress and hope

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it's gonna last, you know, three to four.

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I don't even know what
kind of mattress you buy.

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It'd be a really big mattress,
but, um, it's not gonna last.

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That's not how it works.

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You have to invest the money.

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Zach mentioned $3-4M a year.

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That's based on Zach knowing his stuff of
investing that money a certain way for the

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rest of your life to be able to generate
that $3-4M a year and sustain it, right?

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We're talking possibly 70 plus years just
for Brock and his core family, right?

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Having to make that money less last.

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So in our industry, one of
the hidden secrets is most

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financial advisors do it wrong.

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Right.

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They go and invest in what they believe
is the best investments, and then they

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tell you the client what you can spend.

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That is not the experience
of a family office.

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Family office.

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You work with the client, they tell
you what they want to do with their

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money, with their lives, what they
envision for their family, and then

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we go and find the best in class
investments that fit your plan.

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Right?

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That's save and invest,
not the other way around.

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And a lot of people get it wrong,
but when you're at a family

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office, you deserve the best.

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And family offices have access
to the best investments, which

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most advisory firms do not have.

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Riccardo Stewart: When, when you
create as an athlete, if you, when

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you create the value that you've
created as an elite athlete and you

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are able to capture it with an amazing
contract, it's on you to now convert it.

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And when you convert it and now you
have after tax dollars, it's on you to

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be able to find the appropriate team.

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No one person can set you up
for the success financially.

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You need a team and uniquely you
need a family office that can do

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all of the things that these men
have been talking about here.

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And so what is a family office?

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What does that look like?

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And what does a family office help you do?

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And not only living the life
that you want to live here.

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But the life that your kids and your kids'
kids wanna wanna live, and we're gonna

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pick up on that in talking about how do
you continue what you've created, what

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you've captured, and what you converted.

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If you have any questions
on what we've been talking

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about, please reach out to us.

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You can give us a call or
you can shoot us a text.

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