WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.821 --> 00:00:26.061 Hello, 00:00:26.061 --> 00:00:26.801 Anke: and welcome. 00:00:26.861 --> 00:00:28.621 Welcome back, Dr Edward. 00:00:28.621 --> 00:00:29.741 I'm super excited 00:00:29.741 --> 00:00:30.721 Dr. Edward: to have you here. 00:00:31.976 --> 00:00:33.576 Well, I'm very happy to be here too. 00:00:33.576 --> 00:00:37.096 I really love having, you know, deep conversations about things that are 00:00:37.096 --> 00:00:40.376 important when it comes to connecting with animals and building deeper 00:00:40.376 --> 00:00:42.751 relationship And rapport with them. 00:00:43.011 --> 00:00:43.511 Anke: Wonderful. 00:00:43.571 --> 00:00:47.431 So you've already hinted at, um, at the topic. 00:00:49.526 --> 00:00:49.606 Yeah. 00:00:49.606 --> 00:00:58.086 Tell us about empathic training and empathy in the relationship with our 00:00:58.086 --> 00:00:58.586 Dr. Edward: dogs. 00:01:00.231 --> 00:01:00.471 Yeah. 00:01:00.471 --> 00:01:05.271 So, um, we're we're teaching I know we're talking about dogs primarily, 00:01:05.271 --> 00:01:08.656 but, you know, I work with Lots of different animals, and I'm just about 00:01:08.656 --> 00:01:10.016 to have horses come into my life. 00:01:10.016 --> 00:01:12.336 And we're teaching whole energy body balance for horses for 00:01:12.336 --> 00:01:13.216 the first time this year. 00:01:13.216 --> 00:01:19.121 So I've been thinking a lot about What is it and and how does it work when 00:01:19.121 --> 00:01:23.701 I'm connecting with animals, building rapport, building relationship, teaching 00:01:23.761 --> 00:01:30.306 animals How to not do things that are undesirable and how to make them feel like 00:01:30.306 --> 00:01:32.006 they wanna do things that are desirable. 00:01:33.081 --> 00:01:37.241 But at the heart of it is really the relationship with the 00:01:37.241 --> 00:01:38.781 animal that is most important. 00:01:39.001 --> 00:01:43.056 And probably the most important thing about that relationship It's how 00:01:43.056 --> 00:01:46.976 the animals are feeling while I'm communicating with them, interacting with 00:01:46.976 --> 00:01:49.476 them, and doing all that sort of thing. 00:01:49.856 --> 00:01:53.681 So empathic Dogmanship, empathic horsemanship. 00:01:54.701 --> 00:01:58.461 Um, I don't know if dogmanship's ever been a word before, but Well, it will be now. 00:01:58.861 --> 00:02:05.166 A little bit of dialogizing and make it up, For me, is is something 00:02:05.166 --> 00:02:10.386 that I've only just realized in the last week or 2 kind of what that is. 00:02:11.991 --> 00:02:18.891 Now our animals, whether they be dogs or horses, are extraordinarily empathic, 00:02:19.436 --> 00:02:21.696 And they can read us like a book. 00:02:22.236 --> 00:02:27.296 They know how we're feeling and what's going on inside of us intimately 00:02:28.151 --> 00:02:31.671 To a far, far higher degree than at the other end of the leash. 00:02:31.671 --> 00:02:32.071 Yeah. 00:02:32.071 --> 00:02:35.771 You know, I think that us humans, when we were little infants and little children, 00:02:36.256 --> 00:02:41.316 We had that same level of intuitive, empathic sensitivity and awareness online, 00:02:42.256 --> 00:02:46.391 but the human jungle kinda squishes it out of You know, we shut a lot of that down 00:02:46.391 --> 00:02:50.491 to survive in in the human what I call the human jungle, which is, you know, all the 00:02:51.031 --> 00:02:55.646 unhealthy behaviors, socializations, and And things like that that impact on us. 00:02:58.026 --> 00:03:04.441 But I've always been incredibly sensitive, And I don't know. 00:03:04.441 --> 00:03:10.521 Some 20 odd years ago, then I I got into the more intuitive energy healing side of 00:03:10.521 --> 00:03:14.716 things, and that Then opened up a whole other layer of sensitivity and perception. 00:03:15.736 --> 00:03:22.661 And what I found is that when when humans Learn how to connect with 00:03:22.661 --> 00:03:26.041 themselves and know themselves and and really become embodied. 00:03:27.141 --> 00:03:33.026 You'll spontaneously begin to have the experience of The the other being that 00:03:33.026 --> 00:03:38.306 you're interacting with in your energy, in your emotions, in your sensations, in your 00:03:38.306 --> 00:03:44.351 body, Which is what I define as empathy is experiencing the state of consciousness 00:03:44.411 --> 00:03:48.351 and awareness of another being within your own consciousness and awareness, 00:03:50.706 --> 00:03:56.306 Which is kinda on the on the borders of strange and wonderful when it comes to 00:03:56.306 --> 00:04:00.451 the veterinary profession and even all the mainstream type training stuff, though, 00:04:00.451 --> 00:04:06.536 there is a there's been a huge, um, Upwelling of people who are starting to 00:04:06.536 --> 00:04:11.736 really put the how the animal is feeling first when it comes to training and 00:04:11.736 --> 00:04:15.961 working with them, whether it be horses or dogs over the last, I don't know. 00:04:15.961 --> 00:04:20.041 5 or 10 years, there's been a huge increase in this and a huge increase in 00:04:20.041 --> 00:04:25.326 awareness of what signs of discomfort and Pain and distress, uh, in horses and dogs. 00:04:25.326 --> 00:04:29.646 You know, at the moment, we're starting to see in the dressage, 00:04:29.646 --> 00:04:34.511 which is kinda like the the Upper echelon of of horse competition, you 00:04:34.511 --> 00:04:36.931 know, the the elite, so to speak. 00:04:37.631 --> 00:04:41.776 That you're getting these horses that are scoring really high in Dressage 00:04:41.776 --> 00:04:44.196 rounds, but people are saying, excuse me. 00:04:44.896 --> 00:04:47.936 They might be scoring high, but look at all these signs of distress and pain and 00:04:47.936 --> 00:04:49.536 discomfort and anxiety in this horse. 00:04:49.536 --> 00:04:50.176 I mean, come on. 00:04:50.176 --> 00:04:50.891 What's going on? 00:04:50.891 --> 00:04:54.331 And the elite people who are riding these horses are not 00:04:54.331 --> 00:04:55.611 responding terribly well to this. 00:04:55.611 --> 00:05:00.246 They are losing their shit, if you'll excuse my French, And tending to, um, 00:05:01.186 --> 00:05:04.546 then attack the people who are pointing out something really obvious to anyone 00:05:04.546 --> 00:05:06.146 who studied all that sort of stuff. 00:05:06.146 --> 00:05:11.061 So I've also been working with a guy, Lucky Phillips, who's created a 00:05:11.061 --> 00:05:14.341 thing called emotional horsemanship, which is really fascinating and 00:05:14.341 --> 00:05:15.881 another part of this revolution. 00:05:16.536 --> 00:05:19.096 He's someone you might wanna have on your show 1 day. 00:05:19.096 --> 00:05:21.116 He's a super, super interesting guy. 00:05:21.736 --> 00:05:27.851 But, um, When you start considering how the animal feels to be really, really 00:05:27.851 --> 00:05:32.991 important, well, then you've gotta start to work out how you can work that out. 00:05:33.516 --> 00:05:34.016 Yeah. 00:05:34.396 --> 00:05:34.476 Yeah. 00:05:34.476 --> 00:05:34.976 Totally. 00:05:35.116 --> 00:05:35.616 Anke: Totally. 00:05:35.916 --> 00:05:44.741 And it's fascinating because I'm thinking, well, That kind of healing 00:05:44.801 --> 00:05:49.361 and tapping into, you know, somebody else's space, like, I I don't know. 00:05:49.361 --> 00:05:52.846 I've had energy Heeding readings from you know? 00:05:52.846 --> 00:05:58.231 And it feels like well, it seems kind of natural and obvious for 00:05:58.311 --> 00:06:02.411 People to be able to hook into what's going on for somebody else. 00:06:02.471 --> 00:06:06.151 And I've experienced it where they come out with stuff like, you have 00:06:06.151 --> 00:06:07.771 no rational way of knowing this. 00:06:07.831 --> 00:06:08.216 Right? 00:06:08.616 --> 00:06:14.376 Oh, so, you know, so there is there is, um, yeah, I can totally see how that 00:06:14.376 --> 00:06:19.941 would be New and and a little like, what in the in the in the animal world? 00:06:20.241 --> 00:06:25.426 So well, obviously, my question then would be so Well, first of all, like, something 00:06:25.426 --> 00:06:27.666 that popped up to me is, like like, yes. 00:06:27.666 --> 00:06:31.746 And I have a very sensitive dog, and and, uh, he's he's sort of 00:06:31.746 --> 00:06:33.266 more sensitive than other dogs. 00:06:33.266 --> 00:06:38.211 And So he will know when I'm sort of under the weather. 00:06:38.211 --> 00:06:38.611 Right? 00:06:38.611 --> 00:06:41.491 So now sometimes I'll still need him to do something even 00:06:41.491 --> 00:06:42.656 though I'm under the weather. 00:06:42.656 --> 00:06:49.056 So, you know, how can I how can I, let's say, keep him safe even if I'm not calm? 00:06:49.056 --> 00:06:51.871 Because when I'm calm and grounded, Everything's easy. 00:06:52.091 --> 00:06:52.411 You know? 00:06:52.411 --> 00:06:57.531 But if I'm like, if my stress bucket is full, and I know I can't can't 00:06:57.531 --> 00:07:00.946 kind of trick my dog, You know, how can I still keep him safe and 00:07:00.946 --> 00:07:05.426 make sure he comes when I call even if you know, so it doesn't yeah? 00:07:05.426 --> 00:07:10.171 Because I can't perhaps Be a hundred percent of the time, you know, calm 00:07:10.171 --> 00:07:12.511 and controlled and and grounded. 00:07:13.131 --> 00:07:14.571 And so that's the first question. 00:07:14.571 --> 00:07:19.986 The other question is, How do I get well, what is it that somebody can do to 00:07:19.986 --> 00:07:22.226 start that journey towards, like, okay. 00:07:22.226 --> 00:07:24.626 How can I connect to animals in that way? 00:07:24.626 --> 00:07:25.701 But, Yeah. 00:07:25.761 --> 00:07:27.841 1 after the other, which 1 whichever 1 you want 00:07:27.841 --> 00:07:28.341 Dr. Edward: first. 00:07:28.881 --> 00:07:32.821 The I think the first thing is that if if you have stress, if you have 00:07:32.961 --> 00:07:39.096 fear, if you have, um, Um, anger, frustration, any of these things come up. 00:07:39.096 --> 00:07:39.256 Look. 00:07:39.256 --> 00:07:40.936 I've got a 4 month old puppy at the moment. 00:07:40.936 --> 00:07:41.976 I can gotta tell you. 00:07:41.976 --> 00:07:43.336 There's some frustration on my side. 00:07:43.336 --> 00:07:44.716 The illusion of behavior. 00:07:44.761 --> 00:07:49.661 She, um, chewed up 2 pairs of prescription glasses and peed on our bed last week. 00:07:50.281 --> 00:07:50.941 You know? 00:07:51.081 --> 00:07:58.086 So What I say to people is, number 1, don't suppress what you're feeling. 00:07:58.866 --> 00:08:02.941 Number 2, no matter how you're feeling, you can connect With your animals. 00:08:03.641 --> 00:08:06.381 You don't need to hide your sadness or grief or whatever. 00:08:06.761 --> 00:08:08.301 It's not gonna you know? 00:08:08.361 --> 00:08:11.966 Because Anything you suppress, your animals tend to feel even more than 00:08:11.966 --> 00:08:16.066 if you don't because they just can see right through you, like I said. 00:08:16.446 --> 00:08:19.481 So So what I recommend that you do is, number 1, if you're having a 00:08:19.481 --> 00:08:24.281 stressful day is to really own it in your body and say, well, I'm really 00:08:24.281 --> 00:08:28.196 stressed today, and I I can feel this stress in various ways in my being. 00:08:28.736 --> 00:08:33.136 Because if you can name it to yourself and own it, then you can contain it, and 00:08:33.136 --> 00:08:37.491 it won't leak out into your Interactions and communications with your animals. 00:08:38.751 --> 00:08:42.671 So that's the thing that a lot of people tend to, um, be worried that they're gonna 00:08:42.671 --> 00:08:44.426 harm their animals with their feelings. 00:08:44.426 --> 00:08:49.706 And I don't believe that that's possible if you'd if you are willing to actually 00:08:49.706 --> 00:08:51.386 feel what's going on inside yourself. 00:08:51.386 --> 00:08:52.366 Now that's uncomfortable. 00:08:52.931 --> 00:08:53.091 Right. 00:08:53.091 --> 00:08:55.491 It's a lot more comfortable just to suppress it and push it down, 00:08:55.491 --> 00:08:59.331 but then it's still active in your system, and it leaks out into all 00:08:59.331 --> 00:09:00.691 your interactions with your animals. 00:09:00.691 --> 00:09:04.756 And and That's more damaging to your relationship than anything else. 00:09:05.216 --> 00:09:09.136 If you can be open with yourself about how you're feeling, name it, contain 00:09:09.136 --> 00:09:14.161 it, Then you can continue to, you know, be in rapport and communication 00:09:14.161 --> 00:09:15.941 with your animals in a healthy way. 00:09:17.726 --> 00:09:22.526 But how do you develop develop empathy is really the question here. 00:09:22.526 --> 00:09:29.941 And for me, The way that I work with this is that I work on being 00:09:29.941 --> 00:09:35.806 more present and more aware and more in my body And being here and now. 00:09:36.906 --> 00:09:40.826 And I can talk you through just a a kind of an abbreviated version of 00:09:40.826 --> 00:09:44.251 the longer processes that we that we teach all our students in the Whole 00:09:44.251 --> 00:09:46.431 energy body balance training programs. 00:09:46.971 --> 00:09:50.251 And if you really wanna develop that further, you know, you can either 00:09:50.251 --> 00:09:53.791 have 1 on 1 sessions with me by going through the healing vet dot com. 00:09:53.851 --> 00:09:57.676 We go to whole energy body balance dot com and check out our training programs, web 00:09:57.676 --> 00:10:01.916 body work for pets, web energy work for animals, web for horses, web for humans. 00:10:01.916 --> 00:10:07.161 There's a whole range of high level programs that can teach you a whole range 00:10:07.161 --> 00:10:10.461 of different ways to communicate with connect with your animals in a better way. 00:10:11.256 --> 00:10:15.176 But the first thing that I'm gonna invite you and everyone listening to do is 00:10:15.176 --> 00:10:17.116 just to become aware of your posture. 00:10:18.751 --> 00:10:20.511 Soon as you become aware of your past due, what happens? 00:10:20.511 --> 00:10:21.791 You straighten up a little bit. 00:10:21.791 --> 00:10:22.291 Right? 00:10:22.511 --> 00:10:25.871 Because when you bring awareness to anything, you align yourself. 00:10:25.871 --> 00:10:29.766 And when your physical body is aligned. 00:10:30.866 --> 00:10:31.926 You're more alert. 00:10:32.146 --> 00:10:33.206 You're more aware. 00:10:33.906 --> 00:10:38.411 You have more strength and dexterity in your hands, And 00:10:39.031 --> 00:10:40.651 you also have more presence. 00:10:42.391 --> 00:10:49.456 Now presence is intimately related to To your ability to be to be a leader. 00:10:50.076 --> 00:10:53.516 The more presence you have, the more natural leadership qualities you express. 00:10:53.516 --> 00:10:57.371 It's just, In my experience, that is just a a direct correlation. 00:10:58.551 --> 00:11:03.476 And the next step is to bring All of your awareness into and 00:11:03.476 --> 00:11:07.636 throughout your physical body, and then simply be present with whatever 00:11:07.636 --> 00:11:09.151 the heck is going on in there. 00:11:09.231 --> 00:11:11.811 No need to try and change anything, understand anything. 00:11:12.351 --> 00:11:16.591 It's a a pure, simple act of self witnessing and self presence, 00:11:16.591 --> 00:11:18.211 if you wanna call it that. 00:11:19.466 --> 00:11:24.606 Now, again, this is gonna involve some degree of healthy discomfort 00:11:24.826 --> 00:11:28.251 because the more you bring awareness and you can if you continually bring 00:11:28.491 --> 00:11:30.031 into and throughout your whole body. 00:11:30.491 --> 00:11:32.751 Your awareness is infinite, so there's always more. 00:11:33.451 --> 00:11:33.951 Right? 00:11:34.971 --> 00:11:37.816 But what'll happen is, My god. 00:11:37.816 --> 00:11:38.216 You know? 00:11:38.216 --> 00:11:41.896 That that kind of tight area in my neck that I was ignoring, suddenly, 00:11:41.896 --> 00:11:45.336 you start to feel the discomfort of that and this sadness that I've been 00:11:45.336 --> 00:11:49.971 storing away under My heart here for the last 10 years since I lost my dog. 00:11:50.511 --> 00:11:51.071 Oh my god. 00:11:51.071 --> 00:11:52.591 I'm feeling all sad and stuff. 00:11:52.591 --> 00:11:56.986 So then you, you know, the if you wanna have An empathic 00:11:56.986 --> 00:11:58.206 rapport with your animals? 00:11:58.826 --> 00:12:01.466 You gotta have an empathic rapport with yourself first. 00:12:01.466 --> 00:12:04.746 Once you know yourself intimately, then you can start to meet the 00:12:04.746 --> 00:12:06.531 other beings In your consciousness. 00:12:09.871 --> 00:12:10.991 In addition to that 00:12:11.151 --> 00:12:14.691 Anke: sense, it reminds me of a of a meditation retreat. 00:12:15.226 --> 00:12:17.406 Like, I went in Australia, actually. 00:12:17.706 --> 00:12:21.326 It was like a 3 day silent retreat, so that's all we did. 00:12:22.321 --> 00:12:26.181 And it was amazing what came out over that time. 00:12:26.401 --> 00:12:29.836 You know, when you sort of you know, it's like, yeah, it's 1 thing to 00:12:29.836 --> 00:12:33.536 Sit there, meditate for 20 minutes, like, you know, to be to kind of 00:12:33.836 --> 00:12:37.136 alternate between sitting, standing, walking, like, for 3 days straight. 00:12:37.791 --> 00:12:38.531 It's incredible. 00:12:38.991 --> 00:12:39.311 You know? 00:12:39.311 --> 00:12:42.591 And what came up, and it started with the, oh, my knee hurts. 00:12:42.591 --> 00:12:46.846 Like, I'm getting a little uncomfortable to All the stuff that we installed, 00:12:46.986 --> 00:12:49.326 like, you know, decades, it comes out. 00:12:49.466 --> 00:12:49.786 Yeah. 00:12:49.786 --> 00:12:51.326 It's definitely an experience. 00:12:52.401 --> 00:12:56.421 Dr. Edward: And then the third step is is energetic connection and awareness. 00:12:57.201 --> 00:13:01.121 So we all have primary flows of energy that move through our system. 00:13:01.121 --> 00:13:06.196 The first 1 is There's a flow of yin or feminine nature chi from the earth 00:13:06.196 --> 00:13:08.536 flowing up through your body and out through your head continually. 00:13:10.451 --> 00:13:15.111 And there's a second flow of yang or more masculine energy flowing from the sun 00:13:15.251 --> 00:13:18.711 down through your body and out through your feet simultaneously at the same time. 00:13:19.536 --> 00:13:23.696 And if you with your heart center, you drink in generous amounts of both yin 00:13:23.696 --> 00:13:27.936 and yang until your heart overflows with that combined energy, and it 00:13:27.936 --> 00:13:29.621 overflows to Feel you to overflowing. 00:13:29.621 --> 00:13:32.501 So you're kinda filling your energy cup, flows out through your hands, 00:13:32.501 --> 00:13:33.961 fills your whole body to overflowing. 00:13:37.156 --> 00:13:40.056 What happens then is that you you've got a full cup. 00:13:40.676 --> 00:13:40.996 Right? 00:13:40.996 --> 00:13:44.676 And you've got this energetic connection, and this starts to 00:13:44.676 --> 00:13:48.311 affect All of your chakras and energy systems, and they gradually 00:13:48.371 --> 00:13:50.371 will become healthier and stronger. 00:13:50.371 --> 00:13:54.056 And, of course, that includes your third eye, which is your The energy center 00:13:54.916 --> 00:13:56.536 involved with intuitive perception. 00:13:57.556 --> 00:14:05.791 Now any kind of Blossoming of empathic awareness. 00:14:05.791 --> 00:14:08.751 You might put your hands on your animal and suddenly burst into tears, 00:14:08.751 --> 00:14:12.016 or you might just get a feeling of how they're feeling, or you might 00:14:12.016 --> 00:14:16.196 get some kind of intuitive perception which can come through visual sense, 00:14:16.336 --> 00:14:21.141 feeling sense, listening sense, Uh, direct knowledge, knowing sense. 00:14:21.521 --> 00:14:23.461 Everyone's kinda unique with that. 00:14:24.321 --> 00:14:28.606 But the funny thing about it is it's totally nonlinear And unpredictable. 00:14:28.666 --> 00:14:29.866 And you can't predict it. 00:14:29.866 --> 00:14:34.666 So you have to continue doing this practice, and this is a practice that I 00:14:34.666 --> 00:14:39.984 do the kind of more advanced version of many times a day, every day of my life. 00:14:39.984 --> 00:14:44.876 It's a practice that I've been doing, well, probably 10 years or longer, And 00:14:44.876 --> 00:14:47.196 I do it every day, and I do it often. 00:14:47.196 --> 00:14:51.996 And I'm still gaining incremental steady benefits and sometimes quantum 00:14:51.996 --> 00:14:54.231 leaps in my awareness from doing this. 00:14:55.111 --> 00:14:57.931 But, you know, it's it's the ultimate in delayed gratification. 00:14:58.871 --> 00:15:02.646 You don't get a linear response, and you might be doing it for ages 00:15:02.646 --> 00:15:06.166 before you finally get something happen that that helps you get this 00:15:06.166 --> 00:15:07.706 deeper connection with your animals. 00:15:09.121 --> 00:15:09.801 Anke: That might yeah. 00:15:09.801 --> 00:15:13.761 Like, that makes sense because I think it also depends how many 00:15:13.761 --> 00:15:17.886 years and decades we've been kind of, like, removed from from Yeah. 00:15:17.966 --> 00:15:19.106 That kind of awareness. 00:15:19.166 --> 00:15:19.666 Right? 00:15:19.726 --> 00:15:24.471 So now the next question that pops up for me, um, You know? 00:15:24.471 --> 00:15:28.951 So I can kind of interact with my dog, and all of a sudden, like, something 00:15:28.951 --> 00:15:30.311 comes up that could be a picture. 00:15:30.311 --> 00:15:31.771 It could be you know? 00:15:32.366 --> 00:15:33.486 How do I know? 00:15:33.486 --> 00:15:35.086 It's like, you know, it's like that. 00:15:35.086 --> 00:15:39.566 That's a, like how do you how do you recognize it as, like, oh, 00:15:39.566 --> 00:15:43.891 this is something that is actually the animal communicating to me. 00:15:44.831 --> 00:15:45.311 You know? 00:15:45.311 --> 00:15:48.591 Because the the there's the trust, but then my monkey mind comes in. 00:15:48.591 --> 00:15:48.991 It's like, yeah. 00:15:48.991 --> 00:15:50.776 But what if I'm all just making this up? 00:15:50.776 --> 00:15:53.736 Like, that can't be true because my logical mind can't follow it. 00:15:53.736 --> 00:15:59.816 So, you know, my trained reaction comes in like, oh, must not trust it if it 00:15:59.816 --> 00:16:05.131 isn't if I can't Trace it back, but in my experience, the whole essence of 00:16:05.131 --> 00:16:08.456 intuition is that you just know, and Yeah. 00:16:08.456 --> 00:16:09.656 I don't know how you know. 00:16:09.656 --> 00:16:09.896 Right? 00:16:09.896 --> 00:16:10.696 So Yeah. 00:16:10.856 --> 00:16:16.856 You know, is there, like how is that a a process as well in that sense of, like, 00:16:16.856 --> 00:16:21.561 yeah, I learned to Trusted and lean into it, or is there something that somebody 00:16:21.561 --> 00:16:24.281 can do or stop doing to to to help 00:16:24.281 --> 00:16:25.021 Dr. Edward: them along? 00:16:27.356 --> 00:16:28.896 Well, that's a complex question. 00:16:30.956 --> 00:16:36.691 Um, so, yeah, if you get a little glimpse or a Uh, a glimmering of something that 00:16:36.991 --> 00:16:41.251 is kind of either an emotional experience of what's going on with your animal. 00:16:42.111 --> 00:16:47.346 Like, for instance, a little while ago, I was driving along the road with my 00:16:47.346 --> 00:16:53.286 partner in the car, and she thought a car was gonna pull out into us. 00:16:54.451 --> 00:16:57.351 She had a reaction, and I swerved because I felt her reaction. 00:16:58.531 --> 00:16:59.031 Wow. 00:16:59.651 --> 00:17:00.211 You know? 00:17:00.211 --> 00:17:02.391 So that's something that just happens spontaneously. 00:17:02.531 --> 00:17:03.971 But I've been doing this for a long time. 00:17:03.971 --> 00:17:04.296 Right? 00:17:05.256 --> 00:17:10.076 And it is what like I say to people, my superpower is helping people cry. 00:17:10.296 --> 00:17:15.461 It's very rare that I have A session with people and animals that there's not tears 00:17:15.461 --> 00:17:18.661 for one reason or another because I work with the animal, I'm working with them, 00:17:18.661 --> 00:17:22.836 and, Oh, I get a whole lot of sadness and trauma or something come up in my 00:17:22.916 --> 00:17:27.636 or fear and and I voice it, and suddenly the human's in tears because there's this 00:17:27.636 --> 00:17:34.131 empathic bridging That happens that when I feel the consciousness of and experience 00:17:34.131 --> 00:17:40.156 the consciousness of another being in my body, That builds a tremendous bridge of 00:17:40.156 --> 00:17:45.436 understanding and connection and rapport on a very, very deep level, and that helps 00:17:45.436 --> 00:17:50.391 these People access feelings that they might not be able to access otherwise, 00:17:50.391 --> 00:17:52.171 so they suddenly burst into tears. 00:17:53.756 --> 00:17:57.356 There's a story that I think is worth sharing here where you had 1 of our 00:17:57.356 --> 00:18:03.111 students who was studying the the web body work and energy work, And 00:18:03.111 --> 00:18:07.291 he was someone who worked a lot with rescue wild animals here in Australia. 00:18:07.831 --> 00:18:13.876 So he had this little Galar, an adolescent galar, which is a a pink and gray parrot. 00:18:14.256 --> 00:18:16.016 They're very live in a flock. 00:18:16.016 --> 00:18:18.171 They have kinda lifelong Partners. 00:18:19.191 --> 00:18:20.411 Very, very social. 00:18:20.951 --> 00:18:24.391 This little guy broke his wing, and they thought, okay. 00:18:24.391 --> 00:18:25.751 We'll see if we can repair the wing. 00:18:25.751 --> 00:18:29.336 Now, unfortunately, when they repaired it, It didn't heal quite 00:18:29.336 --> 00:18:30.956 properly, so he was not releasable. 00:18:32.296 --> 00:18:38.101 And this little guy, um, this fellow who's our student We're sitting with the galah. 00:18:39.041 --> 00:18:42.401 Now before before this happened, by the way, if he went to change the water or 00:18:42.401 --> 00:18:45.681 anything in this galah's cage, that galah would be trying to bite him and attacking 00:18:45.681 --> 00:18:49.166 him and Telling him to get away from his cage, like, really quite aggressive. 00:18:49.166 --> 00:18:49.486 No. 00:18:49.486 --> 00:18:51.646 Very pugnacious, aggressive birds. 00:18:51.646 --> 00:18:54.206 And if you don't hand rear them, I would have thought they 00:18:54.206 --> 00:18:55.921 were unhandlable, Basically. 00:18:56.701 --> 00:18:59.981 So he's sitting with this little galah, and suddenly, he feels this 00:18:59.981 --> 00:19:03.101 overwhelming sense of grief and loneliness, and he's in tears. 00:19:03.101 --> 00:19:07.496 He's Tears pouring down his face, which goes on for about 20 or 30 minutes of 00:19:07.496 --> 00:19:12.556 him having this empathic, um, connection and experience of this little bird's 00:19:13.481 --> 00:19:18.301 Grief over being away from his flock and, you know, lonely and all this stuff. 00:19:20.121 --> 00:19:20.761 You know what? 00:19:20.761 --> 00:19:24.276 That little bird Instantly wanted to be his best friend. 00:19:24.416 --> 00:19:24.816 Oh. 00:19:24.816 --> 00:19:30.816 Wanted grooming, wanted to groom him, was accepting touch, you know, became this 00:19:30.816 --> 00:19:33.681 guy's best friend After that experience. 00:19:33.681 --> 00:19:37.621 And this is what empathic bridging brings. 00:19:38.081 --> 00:19:42.296 It brings A much deeper, quicker connection that brings communication 00:19:42.596 --> 00:19:44.676 beyond anything else that can be imagined. 00:19:44.676 --> 00:19:52.671 It brings this Rapport that is deeper than than most what most 00:19:52.671 --> 00:19:54.531 people understand rapport to be. 00:19:55.551 --> 00:20:01.766 Now I think we all have this capacity, and we've just gotta reopen it. 00:20:01.766 --> 00:20:04.326 I think a lot of us have shut it down because, you know, if you get 00:20:04.326 --> 00:20:08.021 a little infant is Close to someone who's really violent and traumatized. 00:20:08.161 --> 00:20:12.561 I think the extreme discomfort of that in their body is enough to make 00:20:12.561 --> 00:20:13.921 them go, oh, I can't deal with it. 00:20:13.921 --> 00:20:15.296 I must Shut down. 00:20:15.296 --> 00:20:15.856 You know? 00:20:15.856 --> 00:20:21.696 And with intuitive perception, you know, people who see things that 00:20:21.696 --> 00:20:25.671 aren't there are considered to be crazy and taken away in a white Okay. 00:20:25.731 --> 00:20:26.211 Yeah. 00:20:26.211 --> 00:20:27.811 In a straight jacket and locked up. 00:20:27.811 --> 00:20:32.451 So there's a lot of pressure for us to and I know that I shut a lot a lot of stuff 00:20:32.451 --> 00:20:34.026 down when I was a relatively young Good. 00:20:34.026 --> 00:20:35.486 Because of those social pressures. 00:20:35.946 --> 00:20:39.486 I'm still working on reopening all of that. 00:20:39.946 --> 00:20:42.586 But you do that practice again and again and again and again and 00:20:42.586 --> 00:20:48.111 again, At some point, you will naturally have an ecological opening 00:20:48.111 --> 00:20:51.811 up of greater and greater empathic sensitivity and intuitive awareness. 00:20:52.496 --> 00:20:52.976 Anke: Okay. 00:20:52.976 --> 00:20:58.836 I love that because I don't think you need massive amounts of mastery 00:20:59.056 --> 00:21:02.371 to Begin to feel the impact of it. 00:21:02.511 --> 00:21:03.711 So I think it's a journey. 00:21:03.711 --> 00:21:06.591 You can continue for the rest of your life and grow ways, 00:21:06.591 --> 00:21:08.291 see more and experience more. 00:21:08.616 --> 00:21:13.336 But I think simply starting, you you know, especially, I guess, if you 00:21:13.336 --> 00:21:17.391 haven't done a lot of meditation, think you'll notice, actually, the 00:21:17.391 --> 00:21:22.351 first time I watched the video from these guys from the trust technique, I 00:21:22.351 --> 00:21:23.871 watched the video, and it's about that. 00:21:23.871 --> 00:21:26.996 It's about literally, You know, come into your own body. 00:21:26.996 --> 00:21:29.496 Next thing I know, my dogs drop around me. 00:21:29.636 --> 00:21:31.336 Like, they're literally like Oh, absolutely. 00:21:31.636 --> 00:21:32.196 This is the phone. 00:21:32.196 --> 00:21:32.516 No. 00:21:32.516 --> 00:21:32.756 You know? 00:21:32.756 --> 00:21:37.251 And I'm like, this is, Like, you don't need to be an expert to to 00:21:37.251 --> 00:21:40.051 start feeling that the connection is 00:21:40.051 --> 00:21:40.551 Dr. Edward: real. 00:21:41.196 --> 00:21:41.676 Not at all. 00:21:41.676 --> 00:21:44.576 And, you know, a few months ago, I was working with a horse. 00:21:44.876 --> 00:21:48.316 We're out in the paddock, and this wild duck comes up to us, and 00:21:48.316 --> 00:21:51.111 he's walking around literally 50 centimeters away from our feet. 00:21:51.111 --> 00:21:54.411 And the humans what the hell? 00:21:54.471 --> 00:21:57.351 I haven't got closer than 20 or 30 meters to 1 of those ducks in 00:21:57.351 --> 00:21:59.051 20 years of living on this place. 00:22:00.006 --> 00:22:00.406 You know? 00:22:00.406 --> 00:22:02.646 And they can feel the the energy. 00:22:02.646 --> 00:22:06.886 I was working with bodywork and energy work, and the animals feel it. 00:22:06.886 --> 00:22:07.446 I love it. 00:22:07.446 --> 00:22:07.846 You know? 00:22:07.846 --> 00:22:12.701 That's When I first started learning energy healing decades ago, every 00:22:12.701 --> 00:22:16.461 time I practiced, my little crazy staffy, Ticker, would come run 00:22:16.461 --> 00:22:17.976 up the steps and sit at my feet. 00:22:18.856 --> 00:22:19.096 Alright. 00:22:19.096 --> 00:22:19.896 This is strange. 00:22:19.896 --> 00:22:21.176 Well, there must be a coincidence. 00:22:21.176 --> 00:22:23.816 But after 10 or 20 times, it's like, no. 00:22:23.816 --> 00:22:26.956 She can feel it, and she likes it, and she wants to be close to it. 00:22:27.901 --> 00:22:28.061 Yeah. 00:22:28.061 --> 00:22:28.961 That's fascinating. 00:22:29.261 --> 00:22:33.281 Anke: Because anything I think people so often focus on behavior, 00:22:33.501 --> 00:22:35.681 on training, on teaching. 00:22:36.456 --> 00:22:41.176 And, like like, in my mind, it's like, if we can start here to actually 00:22:41.176 --> 00:22:45.661 have that connection, then then you need so much Less on the on the 00:22:45.661 --> 00:22:46.641 Dr. Edward: training front. 00:22:47.741 --> 00:22:48.721 Well, training. 00:22:50.541 --> 00:22:53.356 I'm not into teach my dog's tricks and stuff like that. 00:22:53.356 --> 00:22:54.356 I just want you know? 00:22:54.556 --> 00:22:57.196 To have enough understanding and connection for safety 00:22:57.196 --> 00:22:58.736 and con communication. 00:23:00.551 --> 00:23:04.551 And, you know, the other thing is how much of competition is about 00:23:04.551 --> 00:23:07.506 the humans' wish to to get ribbons? 00:23:07.506 --> 00:23:07.746 Know? 00:23:07.746 --> 00:23:09.346 The dog doesn't give a toss about ribbons. 00:23:09.346 --> 00:23:11.846 I'm pretty sure horses don't care much about them either. 00:23:13.666 --> 00:23:17.421 Anke: So I always think that when I see show dog like, You know, shows and stuff. 00:23:17.421 --> 00:23:20.081 And I'm like, these dogs have no good time here. 00:23:20.141 --> 00:23:20.461 You know? 00:23:20.461 --> 00:23:21.201 They're like, 00:23:21.741 --> 00:23:22.861 Dr. Edward: he's just looking at me. 00:23:22.861 --> 00:23:25.041 Most of them are probably stressed and unhappy. 00:23:25.101 --> 00:23:31.326 And, you know, with With these horses coming into my life, I'm not 00:23:31.326 --> 00:23:33.186 presuming I'm ever gonna ride him. 00:23:34.201 --> 00:23:37.161 You know, that's something that, number 1, we'll have to make sure 00:23:37.161 --> 00:23:40.781 that he he's comfortable and able to be ridden, which is not guaranteed. 00:23:41.846 --> 00:23:45.606 I think, like, he said that 80 you know, more than half the horses that 00:23:45.606 --> 00:23:51.971 come to him need either Rest and rehabilitation or total retirement 00:23:51.971 --> 00:23:54.871 from riding, that's a high proportion. 00:23:55.091 --> 00:23:55.591 Right? 00:23:56.291 --> 00:24:01.626 And the other thing is that If he doesn't wanna be ridden and I force 00:24:01.626 --> 00:24:04.666 that, then what sort of relationship is that gonna be with that being? 00:24:04.666 --> 00:24:08.011 It's not gonna be terribly pleasant for him, is it? 00:24:10.411 --> 00:24:13.931 Anke: And I and I love I I love that that matters, you know, because 00:24:13.931 --> 00:24:15.606 I think traditionally so much. 00:24:15.606 --> 00:24:19.206 I think definitely in the horse space, certainly for dogs, there is just, like, 00:24:19.206 --> 00:24:22.806 you know, I'm I must kind of, like, control what you're doing, and I need to 00:24:22.806 --> 00:24:24.586 kind of intimidate you into submission. 00:24:24.881 --> 00:24:29.161 And I just love seeing how you know, you mentioned before, there seems 00:24:29.161 --> 00:24:33.346 to be almost like a movement to move away from that, to become more, You 00:24:33.346 --> 00:24:37.346 know, concerned with how the animal's feeling, and I just love that. 00:24:37.346 --> 00:24:42.161 Dr. Edward: And I can also see that in that movement, you've got Force 00:24:42.161 --> 00:24:46.261 over here in aversives, and you've got complete positive reinforcement 00:24:46.561 --> 00:24:50.196 and never asking the animal to do anything that it doesn't do over here. 00:24:50.196 --> 00:24:51.896 Well, I think they're both unhealthy. 00:24:52.516 --> 00:24:53.016 Yeah. 00:24:53.316 --> 00:24:53.956 I agree. 00:24:53.956 --> 00:24:59.071 Because I've seen a few dogs like this, and they're fat, Lazy. 00:25:00.731 --> 00:25:05.586 And they won't do things that they need to do for their health and well-being Because 00:25:05.586 --> 00:25:07.906 they've never been asked to do anything they don't wanna do in their life. 00:25:07.906 --> 00:25:12.866 And I think somewhere not in the middle, because I don't think force 00:25:12.866 --> 00:25:17.731 and aversives are, uh, You know, you need to use the absolute minimum of 00:25:17.731 --> 00:25:22.391 what you might call aversive if they're needed, which is really kindness. 00:25:23.171 --> 00:25:29.836 So somewhere in here, This part of the spectrum, you gotta have 00:25:29.836 --> 00:25:34.141 healthy boundaries, and you gotta be able to say a healthy yes Animals. 00:25:34.141 --> 00:25:36.141 And you're gonna be able to say healthy no to your animals. 00:25:36.141 --> 00:25:39.661 And there is not and you gotta be able to do this with humans too, by the way. 00:25:39.661 --> 00:25:42.886 And there is not a being on this planet that the first time You say a healthy 00:25:42.886 --> 00:25:45.846 yes, you're gonna have this thing you don't want that's good for you, or a 00:25:45.846 --> 00:25:48.806 healthy no, you can't have that thing you want because it's not good for you. 00:25:48.806 --> 00:25:50.806 And there, none of them are gonna say, woo hoo. 00:25:50.806 --> 00:25:51.286 Thank you. 00:25:51.286 --> 00:25:52.291 That's Great. 00:25:53.151 --> 00:25:54.111 Anke: They're all gonna be It's 00:25:54.111 --> 00:25:55.311 Dr. Edward: like children is what? 00:25:55.311 --> 00:25:58.191 What the hell do you think you're trying to say to me here? 00:25:58.191 --> 00:25:58.831 No way. 00:25:58.831 --> 00:26:00.051 I don't wanna do that. 00:26:00.406 --> 00:26:00.566 Yeah. 00:26:00.566 --> 00:26:06.166 So you gotta find a way to move through healthy yes and healthy no in a way that 00:26:06.166 --> 00:26:12.591 supports that that deep empathic Rapport, connection, relationship, and you can. 00:26:12.591 --> 00:26:15.391 You can move through healthy yeses and healthy nos in a way that 00:26:15.391 --> 00:26:18.706 deepens your relationship and trust And bond with your animals. 00:26:19.326 --> 00:26:21.166 It takes some learning how to do that. 00:26:21.166 --> 00:26:25.661 It's not you know, it's 1 of those things that is simple but not necessarily easy. 00:26:26.141 --> 00:26:26.381 Yeah. 00:26:26.381 --> 00:26:28.781 Anke: I I mean, I think that's probably not that different 00:26:28.781 --> 00:26:30.321 from, you know, raising children. 00:26:30.461 --> 00:26:31.021 It's like, yeah. 00:26:31.021 --> 00:26:35.021 You don't wanna be like the tyrant, but you don't want to let them get away 00:26:35.021 --> 00:26:39.616 with, Like, doing anything they want because that will keep them safe, and it 00:26:39.616 --> 00:26:41.696 won't prepare them for for what's ahead. 00:26:41.696 --> 00:26:41.936 Right? 00:26:41.936 --> 00:26:43.591 So but you don't have think about it. 00:26:43.591 --> 00:26:44.091 Right? 00:26:44.551 --> 00:26:45.051 Dr. Edward: Absolutely. 00:26:45.431 --> 00:26:48.811 I mean, would you train a child with lollies and only lollies? 00:26:50.996 --> 00:26:54.836 You think you'd get a good result if you just only interacted with a human 00:26:54.836 --> 00:26:58.996 child trying to get them to understand how to to accept boundaries and 00:26:58.996 --> 00:27:00.591 stuff with only giving them sweeties. 00:27:01.391 --> 00:27:02.371 Not gonna work. 00:27:03.071 --> 00:27:05.391 Or it might work, but it's not gonna work well, and it's gonna 00:27:05.391 --> 00:27:06.771 cause a whole lot of other problems. 00:27:07.551 --> 00:27:07.871 Yeah. 00:27:07.871 --> 00:27:08.431 That's for 00:27:08.431 --> 00:27:08.931 Anke: sure. 00:27:09.836 --> 00:27:12.956 I mean, it sounds so ridiculous if you put it like that, you know, but I think 00:27:12.956 --> 00:27:15.456 that's a lot what you see being taught. 00:27:15.516 --> 00:27:15.916 You know? 00:27:15.916 --> 00:27:18.336 Like, the treat box is like the magic tool. 00:27:18.831 --> 00:27:22.371 Dr. Edward: I I hardly ever use, uh, plus like treats food rewards. 00:27:23.311 --> 00:27:26.031 I think that they tend well, they drive seeking behavior, 00:27:26.031 --> 00:27:29.156 which is not a relationship Building hormone, it's dopamine. 00:27:29.156 --> 00:27:32.056 They don't get the dopamine hit until after they've got the treat. 00:27:33.076 --> 00:27:37.981 Um, I use touch primarily because that's an oxytocin Bonding relation hormone, 00:27:38.121 --> 00:27:42.681 and it also causes them to to deescalate arousal and come into calm states where 00:27:42.681 --> 00:27:44.621 they're more able to respond and learn. 00:27:45.161 --> 00:27:51.466 Now my little whippet, I noticed the other week that suddenly she decided she 00:27:51.466 --> 00:27:55.006 wasn't gonna come back when we're going on walks around the paddocks on our place. 00:27:55.546 --> 00:27:57.821 So the next walk, I took a pocket full of treats. 00:27:58.841 --> 00:28:01.101 Oh, it was got treats. 00:28:01.401 --> 00:28:05.836 I'll definitely come back, and then I don't carry treats Generally, uh, 00:28:05.836 --> 00:28:09.616 you know, that 1 thing was enough to really rebuild connection and recall. 00:28:10.156 --> 00:28:10.656 Yeah. 00:28:10.796 --> 00:28:14.251 Now when I go out When we've got these new horses, which she hasn't 00:28:14.251 --> 00:28:16.411 seen before, you can bet your boots. 00:28:16.411 --> 00:28:19.051 I'll have a pocket full of the yummiest treats that she loves more 00:28:19.051 --> 00:28:23.846 than anything else because I want To have her very motivated to be 00:28:23.846 --> 00:28:25.786 focused on me and not chasing horses. 00:28:26.406 --> 00:28:29.526 But it's rare that I use positive reinforcement with treats 00:28:29.526 --> 00:28:30.726 when I'm working with animals. 00:28:30.726 --> 00:28:35.291 I think it's Arousing and stimulating, and it doesn't build relationship. 00:28:36.711 --> 00:28:37.031 I love 00:28:37.031 --> 00:28:37.271 Anke: that. 00:28:37.271 --> 00:28:37.511 Yeah. 00:28:37.511 --> 00:28:39.831 That's that makes so much sense when you say it like that. 00:28:39.831 --> 00:28:42.376 You know, it feels like, oh, it's 1 of those where you think, 00:28:42.376 --> 00:28:43.656 well, why didn't I think of that? 00:28:43.656 --> 00:28:43.896 Right? 00:28:43.896 --> 00:28:47.676 It's kinda feels so obvious, especially in that in that in that context. 00:28:47.976 --> 00:28:48.216 Yeah. 00:28:48.216 --> 00:28:48.716 Absolutely. 00:28:49.096 --> 00:28:50.061 Absolutely love. 00:28:50.141 --> 00:28:54.301 So where can people go to, you know, to learn and to learn from you and to 00:28:54.301 --> 00:28:56.001 join your community, your programs? 00:28:56.061 --> 00:28:57.681 Highly recommended, by the way. 00:28:58.066 --> 00:29:00.726 So where can be what where's the best place to go? 00:29:01.986 --> 00:29:04.626 Dr. Edward: Well, if you look for the Healing Vet on Facebook, that's 00:29:04.626 --> 00:29:08.021 probably 1 of our main Socialists, but we're also on Insta as well. 00:29:08.401 --> 00:29:13.601 Um, w w w dot whole energy body bounce dot com, uh, w w 00:29:13.601 --> 00:29:15.606 w dot the healing vet dot com. 00:29:16.006 --> 00:29:18.346 You'll be able to contact us through there. 00:29:18.406 --> 00:29:23.306 Uh, you know, I'm available for what I what I now call intuitive integrated 00:29:23.446 --> 00:29:27.821 veterinary services, Worldwide by Zoom. 00:29:28.521 --> 00:29:34.316 So you can work 1 on 1 with me, and I gotta tell you, Um, I'm not only 00:29:34.316 --> 00:29:35.516 gonna be working with the pets. 00:29:35.516 --> 00:29:38.496 If you work with me, I'll be working as much You're gonna be crying. 00:29:39.276 --> 00:29:39.776 Absolutely. 00:29:40.236 --> 00:29:43.371 Because the humans are the most part of this equation. 00:29:43.511 --> 00:29:47.991 And, um, I had a client the other day said, well, I didn't think I 00:29:47.991 --> 00:29:49.351 was gonna have a therapy session. 00:29:49.351 --> 00:29:50.326 What about my cat? 00:29:50.806 --> 00:29:51.306 Right. 00:29:52.406 --> 00:29:58.166 And, um, humans need to be aware that they've gotta deal with their end of 00:29:58.166 --> 00:30:01.711 the leash as much we need to deal with the animals end of the leadership in 00:30:01.711 --> 00:30:07.336 terms of a whole lot of things when it comes to self regulation And all 00:30:07.336 --> 00:30:11.356 this other good stuff, relaxation, presence, and and so on and so forth. 00:30:12.456 --> 00:30:12.936 Anke: I love that. 00:30:12.936 --> 00:30:14.376 Well, that is a power punch. 00:30:14.376 --> 00:30:14.876 Right? 00:30:15.281 --> 00:30:20.901 The veterinarian with energy healing together, like, that is just awful. 00:30:21.121 --> 00:30:22.321 So thank you so much. 00:30:22.321 --> 00:30:25.096 We're gonna obviously put the link right below here. 00:30:25.116 --> 00:30:28.956 So thanks so much for coming and and sharing that, you know, getting us 00:30:28.956 --> 00:30:32.796 all on, you know, this path being more and more present because we I think we 00:30:32.796 --> 00:30:37.371 have So much you get so much more to put in and get out of the relationship 00:30:37.511 --> 00:30:41.351 with all with all the beings, you know, whatever, however, many legs they have. 00:30:41.351 --> 00:30:43.996 So it's definitely worth The experiment. 00:30:44.856 --> 00:30:45.356 Dr. Edward: Absolutely. 00:30:47.096 --> 00:30:47.836 Thank you. 00:30:48.776 --> 00:30:49.676 Thank you. 00:30:51.125 --> 00:30:52.355 Thanks so much for listening. 00:30:52.875 --> 00:30:57.175 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:30:57.275 --> 00:30:59.055 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:30:59.845 --> 00:31:03.335 If you haven't already, head over to soul touched by dogs. 00:31:03.765 --> 00:31:09.335 com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness tips, recommendations, and personal 00:31:09.435 --> 00:31:11.805 stories to warm your dog loving heart. 00:31:11.805 --> 00:31:15.535 And if you know a pawsome human you think I should interview, 00:31:15.955 --> 00:31:17.095 I'd love an introduction. 00:31:17.575 --> 00:31:19.405 Email me at Anke. 00:31:19.675 --> 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