Minds and Mics

In this episode, I talk with psychologist and author Pia Callesen about overthinking and the metacognitive approach to emotional struggles like anxiety and depression.

Show Notes

In this episode of Minds & Mics, I talk with psychologist and author Pia Callesen about overthinking and the metacognitive approach to emotional struggles like anxiety and depression.

Show Notes
Here are some of the highlights from our conversation:
  • What is overthinking, exactly?
  • Types of overthinking
  • The 2 reasons why we overthink
  • The difference between anxious and depressive overthinking
  • Overthinking as a universal mechanism for emotional suffering
  • Scheduled overthinking
  • Metacognitive Therapy vs traditional Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT)
  • Metacognitive Therapy vs Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT)
  • The busy train station metaphor
  • The windowpane experiment
  • The problem with coping skills
  • How will psychotherapy be different in 50 years?
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What is Minds and Mics?

Psychologist Nick Wignall interviews experts in the fields of psychology, mental health, and human potential to better understand how the mind works and how we can make it work for us to improve our lives in practical, meaningful ways.