1 00:00:00,300 --> 00:00:04,920 Unknown: I feel like I want to do it as long as people ask. And 2 00:00:06,300 --> 00:00:09,420 every time somebody asks me a big station or a big show or 3 00:00:09,420 --> 00:00:14,940 whatever it is, I feel like it's an honor to do it. And I take 4 00:00:14,940 --> 00:00:19,260 that very seriously. And so it's I mean, I remember this America 5 00:00:19,260 --> 00:00:24,080 at night, which I'm doing now. And I remember being a kid and 6 00:00:24,500 --> 00:00:27,680 listening to like a Larry King, or because he used to host that 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,820 show, or like one of my all time favorite broadcasters, Jim 8 00:00:31,820 --> 00:00:36,680 Bohannon, who hosted that show. I remember being a board 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:42,460 operator KFI and running that show at night in the 90s with 10 00:00:42,460 --> 00:00:45,340 Larry King, who would have thought, fast forward, you know, 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,800 30 years, whatever it was, whatever it is, that I'd be 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,880 hosting that show as a as a fill in person. At some point they're 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,100 going to stop asking, and I'll be pissed off that they're not 14 00:00:54,100 --> 00:00:57,640 asking anymore. Yeah, as long as they're asking, I'm going to do 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:57,880 it. 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:05,700 Welcome to a podcast about music and entertainment before it all 17 00:01:05,700 --> 00:01:10,620 goes down the disposal. This is circling the drain. 18 00:01:10,620 --> 00:01:16,140 It's circling the drain. And you know me. John E Bozeman, some 19 00:01:16,140 --> 00:01:19,140 people know me as Johnny B, and we have the three J's. 20 00:01:19,140 --> 00:01:23,000 Jay Harper, Hello, Johnny. Be hello back with you 21 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,120 folks, and it's good to have you back. Thank you, man and over 22 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,740 here, of course, Brother Jim, hey buddy, how you doing? So we 23 00:01:30,740 --> 00:01:36,680 see my eyes. I'm excited today, guys, because, as we are taping 24 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,080 this today marks his 12th anniversary at Super talk 99 25 00:01:41,260 --> 00:01:45,880 seven WTN. He's the host of Nashville's Morning News. Not 26 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,800 only that, but he worked with Dr Laura. He is been on numerous 27 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,820 talk show stations around the country. Talk Show is 28 00:01:55,180 --> 00:01:56,920 and still continues to add 29 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,160 more appearance. Yeah, he does. He just keeps adding more to his 30 00:02:00,220 --> 00:02:04,740 In fact, if you listen to, if you listen to Red Eye radio on 31 00:02:04,740 --> 00:02:07,800 Super talk, you'll catch this guy as well. He's my good 32 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,360 friend. He's my former workmate and my former boss, a guy I 33 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,180 think highly of. Dan mandus, welcome to circling 34 00:02:15,180 --> 00:02:17,700 the drain, baby guys, how we doing good? 35 00:02:17,819 --> 00:02:21,199 We're doing it. The question is, how you're doing you're actually 36 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:24,799 upright and and semi awake? That's right, 37 00:02:24,860 --> 00:02:28,520 that's right. I do work a lot. I've got a lot of call letters 38 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:33,260 on my resume because I can't keep a job. You know, we all, we 39 00:02:33,260 --> 00:02:35,960 all know what radio is like. You know, you work all over the 40 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,600 place, and you do what you can to make ends meet. And, yeah, 41 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,460 I've been all over the place. I don't know, Jay, how many, how 42 00:02:42,460 --> 00:02:44,980 many places you've been? I know Johnny's been around 43 00:02:44,980 --> 00:02:47,920 the block a time or two to a few, but, you know, not as many 44 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:49,060 as some. But yeah, 45 00:02:49,060 --> 00:02:52,300 been to a few. So what he's saying, Dan, not as many as you 46 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:53,020 I'm 47 00:02:54,159 --> 00:02:56,679 a radio whore. That's what, that's what we say. 48 00:02:56,740 --> 00:02:59,980 You're a radio person through in the room. You're not a person in 49 00:02:59,980 --> 00:03:00,400 radio. 50 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,360 You know what? The thing is, though, like, I had not that I 51 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,920 don't have fun in Nashville, at WTN, the most fun I ever had in 52 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:13,380 radio was at Whoa, whoa, in Fort Wayne. Like Fort Wayne, Indiana. 53 00:03:13,380 --> 00:03:18,240 I spent three years there, and I absolutely it was my favorite 54 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,780 time in radio. And again, not that I don't love being in 55 00:03:20,780 --> 00:03:23,000 Nashville, but, you know, there's something about a 56 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:28,880 smaller market radio station where you just, you can make a 57 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,120 really big difference there. And I felt like that's what I 58 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:32,960 enjoyed it 59 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,080 in, whoa, whoa. Well, I mean, that's still a medium sized 60 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,440 market. I mean, you know, Johnny and I, and I maybe Jim too, 61 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,880 perhaps. I mean, when we started in radio, it was kind of really 62 00:03:42,940 --> 00:03:47,860 small market. You know, I worked for, yeah, yeah. For me, it was 63 00:03:47,860 --> 00:03:53,440 port sulfur, Louisiana. But yeah. I mean, you know, 1000 64 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,440 watt day timer and all. But, I mean, you never well, maybe you 65 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,800 have to tell us. I mean, did you really work? Where did you get 66 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,960 your start? I mean, did you work the small AM, 1000 watt day 67 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,040 timer stuff? 68 00:04:05,220 --> 00:04:09,240 So I started in Los Angeles, market 69 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:17,700 number two special. Got to here, actually got to hear traffic 70 00:04:17,700 --> 00:04:22,220 reports. Oh yes, yeah, cuz he had actually given me this CD 71 00:04:22,220 --> 00:04:27,080 player, and he left inside of it an old air check of him doing, 72 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,540 yeah, and that's why I got to hear it. 73 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,040 It wasn't good. It was good. 74 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,200 It was better than what you portrayed 75 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,620 it to be. Well, so I've got a high voice anyway. Imagine me at 76 00:04:36,620 --> 00:04:43,180 like 21 so, but you asked me how I got my start. I in growing up 77 00:04:43,180 --> 00:04:47,440 in Los Angeles. That's where I just I gravitated towards. So I 78 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:53,080 started working as a producer, board operator at KFI and some 79 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,700 other stations as well in the Los Angeles area. And then I 80 00:04:57,700 --> 00:05:02,100 started working as a traffic reporter. And reporter for one 81 00:05:02,100 --> 00:05:04,500 of these, you know, Metro traffic, air watch, kind of 82 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:09,420 places, you know, and and I just made my way through the ranks in 83 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,920 LA and then I started working with Dr Laura at KFI at night. 84 00:05:14,340 --> 00:05:18,660 And she and I worked together for a lot of years at night. She 85 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,220 moved to midday. I was going to school, and then when she went 86 00:05:22,220 --> 00:05:26,420 syndicated, I joined her on syndication, and we did that for 87 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:31,160 a lot of years. And you know, that was in the days where, you 88 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,340 know, and not taking anything away from anybody. But you know, 89 00:05:34,340 --> 00:05:39,860 these days, people get signed on to a syndicated show, and the 90 00:05:39,860 --> 00:05:44,440 network is already built. But in the days where Dr Laura was 91 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,640 building her network, way back when you had to sign, you know, 92 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,300 one station at a time, two station at a time, groups at a 93 00:05:52,300 --> 00:05:56,140 time, you weren't just handed, hey, here's a bunch of I Heart 94 00:05:56,140 --> 00:05:59,800 stations. Here's a bunch of cumulus stations, it was like, 95 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,640 you've got to build your network. Yeah, and so that was a 96 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:07,200 lot of fun, and we had a great time. And boy, it just, it seems 97 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,160 like forever ago. And then in the midst of all of that, at 98 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:16,980 some point, I just realized that I wanted to do something besides 99 00:06:16,980 --> 00:06:21,260 just producing a talk show. I felt like I could be a program 100 00:06:21,260 --> 00:06:26,420 director, and I did that for a lot of years, and I down that 101 00:06:26,420 --> 00:06:31,160 path. I also started hosting shows, and I hope started 102 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,600 hosting shows in Fort Wayne. I didn't have a fill in, and so I 103 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,080 was like, crap. I actually was kvor in Colorado Springs before 104 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,500 Fort Wayne, and I was like, I was like, I don't have anybody 105 00:06:41,500 --> 00:06:44,140 to fill in in these small markets like Colorado Springs, 106 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,100 so I had to start doing fill in work. Fill in work at k, v, O, 107 00:06:48,100 --> 00:06:50,980 R, as a talk show host, whoa, whoa. And then when I got to 108 00:06:50,980 --> 00:06:55,480 Denver, I started hosting there on K how and Koa, and then they 109 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,740 were silly enough to hire me in Nashville and so, so I basically 110 00:06:59,740 --> 00:07:05,040 got my start behind the scenes, and then I became a program 111 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,700 director, and concurrently, I started to host as well. When 112 00:07:08,700 --> 00:07:09,000 did you 113 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,380 start altogether? What year 114 00:07:11,399 --> 00:07:12,419 in radio? Yeah, 115 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:20,540 1987 Wow. Good Old Days. Yeah. They were, I was, I was 19 years 116 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:24,740 old, 1819, years old, and I had a fascination for radio. I had a 117 00:07:24,740 --> 00:07:28,160 fascination behind the scenes, like when a record was playing, 118 00:07:28,220 --> 00:07:31,820 yeah, I wanted to know what the DJ was doing in the booth. You 119 00:07:31,820 --> 00:07:35,300 know what? I mean, what happens behind the scenes in radio? 120 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:36,860 Yeah, what's going on is, 121 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,840 well, and the thing is, I mean, you, God knows you're laughing 122 00:07:40,900 --> 00:07:44,620 because I know what you're thinking about. We know what we 123 00:07:44,620 --> 00:07:49,720 did. You know? Well, I never did the cocaine or anything, but i 124 00:07:49,780 --> 00:07:53,500 There were plenty of times I had the girls in the studio. 125 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,640 Yes, you ever have one doing ballet and the nude? 126 00:07:59,740 --> 00:08:02,460 What? Well, not something. I can say. 127 00:08:03,180 --> 00:08:07,020 She wasn't doing ballet, but the rest of it told that 128 00:08:07,019 --> 00:08:08,819 to a cool story. What's No, I have 129 00:08:08,820 --> 00:08:12,240 not ballet in Was it something you'd like to share? 130 00:08:13,019 --> 00:08:17,039 Yes, I think I shared it already, didn't I? Yeah, and 131 00:08:17,039 --> 00:08:20,719 that's back in the days we could smoke while we were in the Yeah, 132 00:08:20,719 --> 00:08:22,759 we were either smoking cigarettes or other. 133 00:08:22,820 --> 00:08:25,580 I just want to know if you had like, a naked girl in the 134 00:08:25,580 --> 00:08:28,160 studio, why did you waste time with ballet? 135 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,580 Well, that, well, I was having to do the weather forecast. 136 00:08:31,580 --> 00:08:36,260 Got it. I'm thinking that's Johnny's idea of foreplay. 137 00:08:36,260 --> 00:08:37,160 That's weird. 138 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,520 That was after play. Dan. That was a weather forecast and turn 139 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,400 on another album. In fact, it was interesting because we, we 140 00:08:45,460 --> 00:08:50,200 featured albums at like 3am Yeah, and we play a whole album. 141 00:08:50,380 --> 00:08:54,040 Well, when she was in there, they got a bonus that night. So 142 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:54,580 did I. 143 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:59,140 But they got, I think I played three albums that night. 144 00:09:02,860 --> 00:09:04,920 I The old days of radio, 145 00:09:04,980 --> 00:09:09,180 yeah, today, you know, you know, back when, you know, back when 146 00:09:09,180 --> 00:09:13,260 we were younger, and we could go three albums, yes, yes, Jake is 147 00:09:13,260 --> 00:09:20,420 a joke. How do you say, got a courtesy joke from Jay? Anyway, 148 00:09:20,420 --> 00:09:24,320 whatever. So, yeah, I mean, I've really been a one format guy 149 00:09:24,380 --> 00:09:27,560 like you worked in in music radio, of course, and and you've 150 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:28,940 done a lot of sports play by 151 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,960 music radio, just about every music format. Yeah, I 152 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,480 became a talk show host and worked in talk radio because I 153 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,020 was a terrible disc jockey, like, I lasted for three months 154 00:09:39,020 --> 00:09:43,480 introducing, like Paul Abdul and that kind of stuff. And I just 155 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:44,500 was not very good. 156 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:48,040 Well, what got you in it? I mean, what was, what was the, 157 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,820 the main influence of you getting into talk radio like, 158 00:09:51,820 --> 00:09:53,260 was it you listen to it? 159 00:09:53,260 --> 00:09:59,140 I My dad used to drive me around Los Angeles listening to KBC and 160 00:09:59,140 --> 00:10:05,160 790 K. ABC. And I remember being in the back of the car, smoke 161 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,040 filled car, I'm in the back seat, and my mom and my dad are 162 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:13,200 smoking, and they're listening to, you know, talk radio. And it 163 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,320 was just boring as all get out. And I was like, you know, very 164 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:22,040 young, obviously, but really, I tried the DJ route. You know, I 165 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:26,060 was in college, and I was a college DJ, but that's where the 166 00:10:26,060 --> 00:10:30,620 work was like, for a guy like me who didn't have a good voice, I 167 00:10:30,620 --> 00:10:33,980 was able to get behind the scenes work, and so I would 168 00:10:33,980 --> 00:10:36,380 produce, and I would run the board, and I would be a call 169 00:10:36,380 --> 00:10:40,180 screener and all that kind of stuff. And then KFI in Los 170 00:10:40,180 --> 00:10:44,080 Angeles called me, and I started doing all that behind the scenes 171 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,520 stuff. And I was, like, hooked. And so I thought, you know, talk 172 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,060 radio is not really as boring as I thought it was when I was 173 00:10:52,060 --> 00:10:55,840 listening to it as a, you know, 1213, 1415, year old with my dad 174 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,020 in the front seat, and I'm in the back seat. And I started 175 00:10:59,020 --> 00:11:02,700 really enjoying it. And I started to get a flavor, a taste 176 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:08,220 of what, how crazy it was behind the scenes at a radio station. 177 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,040 And, you know, KFI, for people that don't know, is one of the 178 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,420 premier talk radio stations in the country. And I cut my teeth 179 00:11:15,420 --> 00:11:17,280 there. That's where I learned how to call screen, do 180 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,500 production, run the board, and all those things. And, you know, 181 00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:25,520 then I started to, started doing a traffic reporter, and my voice 182 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:31,580 was like, way up here. It wasn't that bad. And so it was bad, but 183 00:11:31,580 --> 00:11:35,540 thank you for the for the courtesy compliment. But 184 00:11:35,540 --> 00:11:39,320 somehow, somehow I didn't get fired. And it's funny, because 185 00:11:39,380 --> 00:11:42,640 years later, as a program director, I actually had more 186 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,420 empathy for people who didn't have a natural voice, because 187 00:11:46,420 --> 00:11:51,460 that was me, yeah. So David G Hall, one of the Top program 188 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:55,540 directors in talk radio. He was my PD at KFI, and I learned a 189 00:11:55,540 --> 00:11:59,080 lot from him, and I still do to this day, wow. 190 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,120 So yeah, well, I mean, there is something about the spontaneity, 191 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,500 and there's an adrenaline rush to the to the live spontaneity 192 00:12:08,220 --> 00:12:11,940 of not just live radio in general, but especially talk 193 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,080 radio, yeah, and the callers, and you just never know where 194 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,160 things are going to go. 195 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:21,499 I i When I was in on in mid days. I'm in the morning now, so 196 00:12:21,499 --> 00:12:25,939 I can't take as many calls as I'd like, but the spontaneity is 197 00:12:25,939 --> 00:12:30,379 something that I really do enjoy. And interacting, one of 198 00:12:30,379 --> 00:12:33,619 the best times I've ever had in talk radio was working with this 199 00:12:33,619 --> 00:12:37,099 guy right over here for the three years we did mornings 200 00:12:37,099 --> 00:12:42,819 together and in Ken Weaver. And the spontaneity, the fun. And, 201 00:12:42,879 --> 00:12:47,379 you know, unfortunately, when you are flying without a net, 202 00:12:47,979 --> 00:12:51,579 you sometimes say things, oh, God, Did I really say that? And 203 00:12:51,579 --> 00:12:54,879 yeah, you did, because there is no net. You're not voice 204 00:12:54,879 --> 00:12:57,699 tracking. You're not, you know, trying to read a liner. It is 205 00:12:57,699 --> 00:13:02,759 just, what do you say is out there, and, you know, say for 206 00:13:02,759 --> 00:13:06,779 the seven or nine second delay whatever it is, it's out there, 207 00:13:06,779 --> 00:13:11,819 and you can't take it back. And so I enjoy that. I hate that 208 00:13:11,819 --> 00:13:14,999 part of radio too, because if you say something where it's 209 00:13:14,999 --> 00:13:17,939 like, Did I really say that there will be times when I'm 210 00:13:17,939 --> 00:13:20,599 like, out on the street somewhere, and somebody will 211 00:13:20,599 --> 00:13:23,179 come up and start talking to me about something that I said on 212 00:13:23,179 --> 00:13:26,599 the show, and it might be something maybe a little ill 213 00:13:26,599 --> 00:13:29,119 advised, which sometimes happens. And I'm like, Did I 214 00:13:29,119 --> 00:13:32,539 really say that? Or is he like, as Uncle Phil used to say, Van 215 00:13:32,539 --> 00:13:36,019 Gogh. Listener is like, damn it, I did say it. I'll go back and 216 00:13:36,019 --> 00:13:39,019 I'll listen to the tape. And yeah, I said that. And so the 217 00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:43,059 flying without a net, and the spontaneity is a lot of fun. 218 00:13:43,239 --> 00:13:45,639 Unfortunately, a lot of careers can be ruined by that 219 00:13:45,639 --> 00:13:51,159 spontaneity as well. But I mean, it's the only for me. I only 220 00:13:51,159 --> 00:13:53,679 know how to do it one way. And you know, talking about the 221 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,879 callers, I'm doing this fill in on a show called America at 222 00:13:57,879 --> 00:14:00,419 night. It's like the old Larry King Show. Jim Bohannon, Larry 223 00:14:00,419 --> 00:14:03,059 King American night. It's a cumulus station, and so I'm 224 00:14:03,059 --> 00:14:08,399 doing fill in on that now these days. And they do open lines. So 225 00:14:08,579 --> 00:14:13,379 in, you know, 30 years of hosting talk shows, I had never 226 00:14:13,379 --> 00:14:14,939 done open lines before in my life, 227 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,120 ever where there's no screener, no screen just take the call, 228 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:18,900 put them on hold, 229 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:24,260 and On you go. And I was like, they told me that, that they did 230 00:14:24,260 --> 00:14:28,160 open lines. And I'm like, oh God. Like, I don't need the 231 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:33,800 money this bad. And people call up and they just, it's like, 232 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:38,360 they throw you a knuckle ball, a curve ball, a splitter, and you 233 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,680 just have to roll with it. And so the first time that I did it, 234 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,620 and it's on national radio. I mean, this is in big markets all 235 00:14:44,620 --> 00:14:49,060 across the country, and you never know what's coming. And so 236 00:14:49,060 --> 00:14:52,600 the first couple of times I did it, I was dreading it, because, 237 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,740 you know, I like to know what I'm talking about. And if 238 00:14:56,740 --> 00:15:00,360 somebody calls up and they've got something, they. Want to 239 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,260 talk about, which is kind of random. I don't like to try to 240 00:15:04,260 --> 00:15:07,020 BS my way through. I like to know something about the topic. 241 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,200 But, I mean, they give you a little cursory line, this is 242 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,180 what they're going to talk about, and you've got to roll 243 00:15:12,180 --> 00:15:15,060 with it. And so I've done it about four or five times now. I 244 00:15:15,060 --> 00:15:19,860 absolutely love doing open lines now, because you don't know what 245 00:15:19,860 --> 00:15:23,480 you're going to get, and it's actually a lot of fun, and you 246 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,720 end up getting and I hate to say because I'm, if you listen to me 247 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,940 on the radio, you know I'm not a yeller. You know what I mean? 248 00:15:28,940 --> 00:15:32,300 No, last couple of times, man, I've, like, really mixed it up 249 00:15:32,300 --> 00:15:35,780 with people, and it's like, Oh my God. It's like an out of body 250 00:15:35,780 --> 00:15:37,040 experience when 251 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,200 you're getting rid of 30 years of frustration. 252 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,200 I've done more yelling on America at night than I've done 253 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,240 in the previous 30 years of hosting 254 00:15:46,899 --> 00:15:48,099 even previous marriages. 255 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:52,959 Let's not get carried away. A lot of yelling in that first one 256 00:15:52,959 --> 00:15:53,679 moving right along. 257 00:15:55,060 --> 00:15:57,220 Have you ever been fired from a job in the radio? 258 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:03,960 Fired? No. I've been cut back. My position was eliminated. 259 00:16:04,020 --> 00:16:05,880 Does that count guys? 260 00:16:05,940 --> 00:16:08,520 Yeah, does that count as being fired? Because I see fired, is 261 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:09,060 fired for 262 00:16:09,060 --> 00:16:12,120 cause, kind of thing just downsized? 263 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,860 Yeah, I think, I think it's just it is firing 264 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:20,280 that you did anything wrong. It's just 265 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,580 you never really were in radio. If you've never been fired, 266 00:16:22,580 --> 00:16:26,240 which calls my career into question, you've never 267 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,760 been fired. Never been fired. Yeah. How is that possible? 268 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,280 17 years? Man, really? 269 00:16:31,460 --> 00:16:34,400 Man, give it time. Give it time. There's always a first out, 270 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,140 though. I don't know. Are you even in radio? I don't 271 00:16:36,260 --> 00:16:39,320 know, podcasting. I mean, it's like the mafia from Godfather 272 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,380 three. Once you think you're out, they pull you back in. 273 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,060 Yeah, different 274 00:16:43,060 --> 00:16:47,140 form I was, I was unemployed the most I, and I'm not bragging, 275 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,340 the most that I've been unemployed is three weeks. So 276 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:56,080 when I was in Colorado Springs, I was in Colorado Springs for a 277 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,600 year, they eliminated my position, and I was out of work 278 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,720 for three weeks before I got the job in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Fort 279 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,960 Wayne went to Denver, Denver to here. 280 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,860 So did you? Did you have a family at the time that you drug 281 00:17:10,860 --> 00:17:13,440 all over the place? Or were you a single man? I mean, what was 282 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,860 it like from a life perspective? It sucked. Jay, yeah, 283 00:17:17,940 --> 00:17:19,020 remember that ex wife who 284 00:17:19,020 --> 00:17:21,260 we're talking about earlier? Thanks for bringing up that 285 00:17:21,260 --> 00:17:25,220 memory. Yeah, no, they actually. 286 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:32,540 So if I'm gonna do the entire journey, I did Los Angeles, I 287 00:17:32,540 --> 00:17:35,720 was I'm not. I can't do it in order, because I just can't. So 288 00:17:36,020 --> 00:17:40,180 all the cities, LA, you know, grew up there. I went to New 289 00:17:40,180 --> 00:17:44,380 York, where I was an ops manager for Clear Channel at the time 290 00:17:44,380 --> 00:17:46,840 premier radio, doing like traffic, reporting, management, 291 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,360 that kind of thing. That's where I met Glenn Beck, by the way, 292 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:54,100 worked with Glenn Beck after 911 love Glenn Beck, but LA, New 293 00:17:54,100 --> 00:18:01,020 York, back to LA, Dallas, Richmond, Virginia, Fort Wayne. 294 00:18:03,060 --> 00:18:06,300 Let's see here, I think I went, did I go back to Dallas anyway? 295 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:10,500 Fort Wayne, Denver. No Colorado Springs, Denver, and then 296 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,740 Nashville, so, and again, in no particular order, I've been 297 00:18:13,740 --> 00:18:18,480 around, yeah, and I did, I did have my, my kids have, yeah, 298 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:23,180 they're obviously adults now. And my daughter will tell you 299 00:18:23,180 --> 00:18:28,400 that it made them be able to handle change pretty well as 300 00:18:28,460 --> 00:18:33,200 adults and so and they got to see, you know, the the country, 301 00:18:33,260 --> 00:18:35,780 and they get, they've been at amusement parks all over the 302 00:18:35,780 --> 00:18:38,900 country, and but on trade. 303 00:18:39,740 --> 00:18:40,840 What's that on trade, 304 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,520 no, not on trade, no, not on trade. I'm still paying off all 305 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:52,000 of those. It's like a college tuition. Yes, exactly so. But 306 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,600 yeah, I mean, it is tough on the family and and that's why you 307 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:01,020 know, when you are a broadcaster of a certain age, and no offense 308 00:19:01,020 --> 00:19:03,600 to young broadcasters, but when you're broadcaster of a certain 309 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,280 age and you meet people who want to just automatically start 310 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,240 hosting shows, it's like, well, there's some dues that you got 311 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:13,140 to pay first. 312 00:19:13,140 --> 00:19:14,400 Yeah, wait a little bit there. 313 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,300 Bucky, yeah. But you know what I mean these days, it's totally 314 00:19:18,300 --> 00:19:22,400 different, like when we came into radio you. I mean, we all 315 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,360 just shared our stories of where we came up from. But you know, 316 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:29,060 these days, you got some stations that will give you a 317 00:19:29,060 --> 00:19:33,440 shot if you're a podcaster, and now you are, can you do an 318 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,200 actual radio show? And I don't know if there's a lot of 319 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,740 podcasters that even want to do radio shows. I mean, podcasters, 320 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,780 they I mean, they've got their deal. I mean, I do a podcast 321 00:19:43,780 --> 00:19:48,340 with Chris hand and Matt Murphy every week, and then give the 322 00:19:48,340 --> 00:19:52,360 name. Yeah, it's the name of our podcast. Is mostly peaceful with 323 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:55,960 Dan and Chris and Matt, and you're gonna have to remind me 324 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,920 what the hell the name was. I'm like, What the hell isn't it? 325 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,080 Mostly peaceful, but it 326 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,660 is, but it but it's a different animal. Like, when you're doing 327 00:20:03,660 --> 00:20:07,980 podcasts, you don't have to stop down for commercial breaks and 328 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,220 anything like that. And I'm still such a big believer in 329 00:20:11,220 --> 00:20:14,880 radio. Like I podcasting is great. I love doing this stuff. 330 00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:18,600 I love radio. Oh yeah, yeah. 331 00:20:18,660 --> 00:20:21,800 Well, I think we're all with you. In fact, of course, I miss 332 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,580 it. That's one reason I was telling you earlier that. That's 333 00:20:25,580 --> 00:20:29,480 one reason I quit going to church with Joan and and Chris 334 00:20:29,540 --> 00:20:36,020 and because I I missed it. I thought this is just too hard. 335 00:20:36,020 --> 00:20:39,680 This is like hanging out with, you know, with, with an ex wife. 336 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:40,780 Or did you? Did you 337 00:20:40,900 --> 00:20:43,780 left you? Did you think that you would miss it? 338 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,160 Yeah, I knew I would 339 00:20:45,220 --> 00:20:46,420 really, yeah, 340 00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:54,280 I've often thought like, when? Because I am like, I am 58 and I 341 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:59,560 am counting down the days till I retire. Yeah, and my wife would 342 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,100 be the first one to tell you, shut the hell up. You ain't 343 00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:06,360 retire. You know what? I mean, yeah, but I mean, I just told 344 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:09,840 you the roster of stations and shows that I do fill in for. 345 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:15,600 And, you know, I do a lot, and so you do what? What would I do 346 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,020 if I just decided, okay, you know what, I'm going to retire, 347 00:21:19,380 --> 00:21:23,420 provided I can financially, but I'm going to retire. Would I 348 00:21:23,420 --> 00:21:26,480 actually miss it? And I think if I retired right now, it probably 349 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,960 would. Oh, definitely. But how am I going to feel this? 60 350 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:35,540 260-364-6566, you know what I and that's the other question. 351 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:41,680 Is with radio, okay, well, then how long am I going to last at 352 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,160 WTN, and then, when they find a shit candy, what am I going to 353 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,340 do? Am I going to stay in Nashville and and just, you 354 00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:53,920 know, hope that you want to fill in work, or I would find it very 355 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,580 difficult to move out of Nashville, like Tennessee is my 356 00:21:57,580 --> 00:22:01,500 home. I'm born and raised in California. I have no interest 357 00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:03,300 in going going back to California. 358 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:04,860 Okay, California is coming to you. 359 00:22:04,860 --> 00:22:08,340 Yeah, it really is. Boy, it sure is. In fact, I've got a bunch of 360 00:22:08,340 --> 00:22:14,460 new Californians living near me now. Yeah, well, one's getting 361 00:22:14,460 --> 00:22:16,680 on my nerves, because he won't keep his dogs up. 362 00:22:16,740 --> 00:22:20,720 But, well, you tell him that in Tennessee, we have rules against 363 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:26,480 that. Yes, we do, but yeah, as far as retiring goes, and what I 364 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,320 would, I miss it, I think I would if, if the end came now, 365 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,280 but I think when I'm in my 60s, if I'm ready to hang it up, you 366 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,520 know, I'm going to be more than ready to I think because you 367 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,560 know, it's not just as you know, it's not just about hosting. 368 00:22:41,980 --> 00:22:45,880 It's about waking up at midnight. It's about because I'm 369 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,720 my show starts at five, so it's about waking up at midnight, 370 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:55,540 doing all of that show prep, because I do my show my way, and 371 00:22:55,540 --> 00:23:00,600 I'm not. Other people do their show their way, but I don't like 372 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,020 to sit. It's hard to tell now, but I don't like to sit and draw 373 00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:06,960 it on right? Yeah. I like to have audio. I like to make it 374 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:12,060 pop. And now we're playing video on the stream, yeah? So I like 375 00:23:12,060 --> 00:23:15,720 to have a video component, so I get up so early to do all of 376 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,040 that show prep, so that I like, for me, my theory of doing a 377 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,900 talk show is it's a presentation. Like, it's not 378 00:23:23,900 --> 00:23:27,800 just opening up the microphone and just, you know, talking, I 379 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,880 like to have a presentation. I like to have audio or video, and 380 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,620 I like to bounce between the two and be able to just be able to 381 00:23:36,620 --> 00:23:39,860 have a good time. And that takes a lot of prep work. And so, 382 00:23:39,860 --> 00:23:43,060 yeah, I do. And people are like, you get up, you get up at what 383 00:23:43,060 --> 00:23:45,460 time? I get up at five, at midnight, and I'm on the air at 384 00:23:45,460 --> 00:23:48,940 five, I've got to drive into the station. That takes 45 minutes, 385 00:23:48,940 --> 00:23:52,780 and so, and when we started doing video, that added a whole 386 00:23:52,780 --> 00:23:53,920 new component to the prep. 387 00:23:54,340 --> 00:23:57,340 So, yeah, I mean, it's worth it. I was going to ask you about 388 00:23:57,340 --> 00:23:59,980 that. I mean, a lot of radio folks have been intimidated by 389 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,180 this whole video component to the show, 390 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,100 guilty as charged. Man. I mean, it sounds 391 00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:09,000 like though, that you have come to welcome it and really make it 392 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,780 an integral part of your presentation. 393 00:24:12,780 --> 00:24:18,720 You have to, I think that Chris hand actually kind of dragged me 394 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,980 kicking and screaming. He was first to do the video, and then, 395 00:24:21,980 --> 00:24:26,180 and then I started doing it, and Matt Murphy is now doing it as 396 00:24:26,180 --> 00:24:30,980 well. But I think it adds a lot to it, and I've embraced it to 397 00:24:30,980 --> 00:24:36,620 the point where I'm not just grabbing videos off of, you 398 00:24:36,620 --> 00:24:40,540 know, Twitter and just playing them on the stream, I'm actually 399 00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:43,060 downloading the videos and editing them for for time and 400 00:24:43,060 --> 00:24:47,440 for content and that kind of thing too, because it does, and 401 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,320 I had to teach myself video editing, right? Which is not 402 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,040 easy. I know, 403 00:24:52,060 --> 00:24:55,360 you know, I am Premiere Pro, or Da Vinci, 404 00:24:55,360 --> 00:25:01,620 or I use, well, I use two. I use chat GPT for. Yeah, if I do, if 405 00:25:01,620 --> 00:25:08,880 I'm doing, like, a Instagram kind of a thing, I use chat GPT. 406 00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:14,100 If I'm doing show prep, I use, I use Premiere Pro and and I had 407 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:14,940 to again, I had 408 00:25:14,939 --> 00:25:18,059 to teach myself, yeah, there's Thank goodness for YouTube. You 409 00:25:18,059 --> 00:25:21,919 know, you can look, yes, you can look up a lot of that stuff. 410 00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:22,579 That's what I do. 411 00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:25,820 But, but I think, I think you have to do that these days if 412 00:25:25,820 --> 00:25:31,760 you are streaming and you know, I don't want to be like the old 413 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,760 guy that can't, that can't change. You know what I mean? 414 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,900 Like, I want to, I want to, I want to. I want to be the guy 415 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:44,080 that embraces it. And so I I wanted to show that I could do 416 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,440 it. And I may have been challenged a little bit by Chris 417 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,000 hand and and I Okay, you son of a bitch, you know, 418 00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:54,700 challenge accepted. 419 00:25:56,500 --> 00:26:01,980 And so and so. Now I took it a step further, and I sometimes 420 00:26:01,980 --> 00:26:07,020 add transitions. And I'm just, I'm actually having fun with the 421 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,580 video now, and so because it does add such a such a component 422 00:26:11,580 --> 00:26:15,120 to it, and if you're a radio person and you're streaming, you 423 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:18,060 have to do it, in my opinion. Oh yeah. I think it's really 424 00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:20,300 important, especially these days. Yeah. And you know what 425 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:26,240 kudos to, to cumulus for making the making the investment in the 426 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,760 equipment, the equipment that they have invested in. I 427 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,860 hopefully we get some new stuff. They finally did 428 00:26:32,420 --> 00:26:35,840 well, because I remember how that super talk TV was when I 429 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,440 was there. 430 00:26:36,439 --> 00:26:40,839 They they have made some modifications. Let's say that, 431 00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:44,739 but we're hoping for, at some point in 2026 we're hoping for 432 00:26:44,739 --> 00:26:49,419 more, for more modifications and some upgrades. But, you know, I 433 00:26:50,019 --> 00:26:54,639 think in radio, I think there's the hard part is, are you 434 00:26:54,639 --> 00:26:59,859 selling out the radio audience by showing video to the people 435 00:26:59,859 --> 00:27:01,019 on the stream? Yeah, that was 436 00:27:01,019 --> 00:27:05,579 going to be one of my questions, since that seems to be a lot of 437 00:27:05,579 --> 00:27:10,259 where radio is headed. Is this streaming visual component? You 438 00:27:10,259 --> 00:27:13,619 know, I'm sitting in my car and everybody's yucking it up over a 439 00:27:13,619 --> 00:27:16,679 video, and I'm like, What the hell are they talking about? 440 00:27:16,679 --> 00:27:20,299 Yep, you have to, but that and you're right. And so because 441 00:27:20,299 --> 00:27:23,119 I've heard that, and it pisses me off, right? It's like, Guys, 442 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,319 I'm listening in the car. Yeah. So you the secret to it, and 443 00:27:27,379 --> 00:27:30,979 I've got to get better at it. But the secret is all right for 444 00:27:31,099 --> 00:27:34,879 you folks watching on on Super talk TV, this is what this is. 445 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,059 But then immediately switch to the radio, people, which is 446 00:27:38,059 --> 00:27:40,959 where our bread and butter still is. Sure. It's like, folks, 447 00:27:41,259 --> 00:27:46,179 here's an old dude in lipstick talking about Hitler, and then 448 00:27:46,179 --> 00:27:48,759 you play the audio, and you, and you, you do the old thing about, 449 00:27:48,939 --> 00:27:52,059 you know, word pictures and mind pictures and all that. Well, 450 00:27:52,059 --> 00:27:53,019 that's what was so great 451 00:27:53,019 --> 00:27:55,839 about radio, to me, was theater of the mind. Theater of the 452 00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:59,379 mind. That's why I've told a lot of people. And maybe this is not 453 00:27:59,379 --> 00:28:02,999 true, because we could have adapted and probably done it. 454 00:28:02,999 --> 00:28:06,719 But when Phil did things like dancing in the booth, I thought 455 00:28:06,959 --> 00:28:08,879 with this new, you know, with 456 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,080 camera, you guys, yeah, that would look that would be weird, 457 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,600 because not dancing in a booth, 458 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:20,480 pole in there feel wrong. But that was what was so magic about 459 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,000 that was theater. And that's what I loved about that. That's 460 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,040 what got me into radio. Was theater of 461 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,980 the mind. Well, think about, think about what I said when I 462 00:28:29,180 --> 00:28:33,920 when I was talking about my my interest in radio, right? I was 463 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,680 interested in what was happening behind the scenes. Well, yeah. 464 00:28:36,740 --> 00:28:40,840 Well, now that that Mystique is gone, you know what I'm talking 465 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:41,140 about. 466 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,960 The curtains been pulled back, and it's been It's open now. 467 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:50,260 Well, it's like my sister, she watches a show that in Tulsa, 468 00:28:50,260 --> 00:28:53,740 that, of course, broadcasts, you know, through the computer. And 469 00:28:53,740 --> 00:28:57,160 she said, I can tell they must not make very much money because 470 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,780 their clothing is terrible. 471 00:28:59,260 --> 00:29:03,720 Yeah, there was that too. There was that too. I was like, You 472 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,840 know what? And you probably remember this. I'm like, I'm not 473 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,840 changing the way that I dress. I'm a slob, and that's the way. 474 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:15,900 It took about a month before my wife was like, Honey, we're 475 00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:16,920 getting you some new clothes. 476 00:29:18,540 --> 00:29:21,620 And so we went on Murphy. 477 00:29:21,620 --> 00:29:24,740 He said, you know, Dan, because he's always wearing 478 00:29:24,740 --> 00:29:29,000 gray, yes, I have like, one color in my palette, and it's 479 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:34,460 like, black or gray. You know, that's me. So yeah, and it my 480 00:29:34,460 --> 00:29:37,460 wife said, You know what? We need to get you some clothes. 481 00:29:37,460 --> 00:29:42,460 And because here's the thing people started watching, that 482 00:29:42,460 --> 00:29:47,320 was the thing, yeah, and, and they're the P ones to the radio 483 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,180 station, and so I didn't think that anybody would actually 484 00:29:52,180 --> 00:29:55,540 watch a radio show. It's like, why? Who the why? Yeah, I didn't 485 00:29:55,540 --> 00:30:00,060 think so either, and so, but it, it was pretty quick that. We 486 00:30:00,060 --> 00:30:03,600 realized that people were watching, and now the people 487 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,720 that watch it, I mean, they are really passionate, and they and 488 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,960 like, if, if, for whatever reason the stream goes down, we 489 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,120 hear, yeah, we 490 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,840 hear, what was the impetus to have to have the video that they 491 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,480 the station? See the value in creating shorts for YouTube and 492 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,760 Instagram things of that nature, was that the reasoning, 493 00:30:23,540 --> 00:30:25,760 you know, what? To be honest with you, I think that they just 494 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,240 wanted to be seen as trying to embrace the future of YouTube. 495 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,160 Well, I mean, by the time they embrace the future 496 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,280 15 years behind, yeah, that's exactly right. So he said that I 497 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:43,000 didn't just remember this face, 498 00:30:44,620 --> 00:30:47,620 but I think that they recognized that there is a tremendous 499 00:30:47,620 --> 00:30:51,820 opportunity. And so, I mean, I'm gonna give you an example. If 500 00:30:51,820 --> 00:30:57,460 I'm at home, I'm not looking for the radio, I'm looking for my 501 00:30:57,460 --> 00:31:02,940 phone to put on YouTube. Yeah, to watch, you know, Matt or 502 00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:07,620 Chris or whatever, because it's just easier. It's not that it's 503 00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:12,960 hard to bring up YouTube and just pull it up for me to find a 504 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,380 radio in my house, which I want to know how many radios does do 505 00:31:16,380 --> 00:31:21,620 each of you have in your house? But to find a radio, and, you 506 00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:25,220 know, try to get reception. And it's so, so much easier just to 507 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,720 just put it on YouTube. 508 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:32,000 Yeah, yeah, you know, I will, I'll use, you know, the Google 509 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,720 gadgets or Alexa or something, to bring in the station. Yeah, 510 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,920 you know, play 99 seven WTN, and, bam, it's there. 511 00:31:39,980 --> 00:31:43,960 So, how many radios do you have in here? Jim, in this office, in 512 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,960 this house, none. Johnny, I've 513 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,040 got about five. 514 00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:53,860 Jay, I've got like, three or four, okay, in the home. But 515 00:31:53,860 --> 00:31:58,540 admittedly, I rarely listen through them. Yeah, see, I still 516 00:31:58,540 --> 00:32:04,200 do. I I'm pulling up as I say, Alexa or or I'll pull up the 517 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,140 YouTube. It's so readily accessible on the phone. 518 00:32:07,380 --> 00:32:10,980 You know what I mean? Yeah, that's what I mean. I don't. I 519 00:32:10,980 --> 00:32:15,300 have one radio in my home, and it doesn't work. So the one, 520 00:32:15,420 --> 00:32:21,560 here's what's crazy. W 10 100,000 watts. FM, and I can't, 521 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,100 I can't get WTN in my home, wow, which is crazy. 522 00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:26,600 That is, yeah, we live, 523 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,360 I live in Mount Juliet by the lake. 524 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,780 That makes really Yeah, because there are parts of town where 525 00:32:32,780 --> 00:32:32,900 you 526 00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:34,340 cannot hear Yeah. I mean, 527 00:32:34,940 --> 00:32:37,340 clearly, where? Well, the weird, the weird thing is, like, I can 528 00:32:37,340 --> 00:32:40,600 pull into my driveway in my car, and I can hear it, yeah, but 529 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:46,720 then if I actually try to, like, get it on the radio and do 530 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,940 whatever, then it's like, fuzzy. And so I just, I it's easier. 531 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:52,960 But here's the 532 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,480 other thing, pattern shape. It ever done that the engineers do 533 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,100 that? They pattern the signals. 534 00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:59,980 Yeah? They Well, yeah, when I stopped being the program 535 00:32:59,980 --> 00:33:02,100 director, they pattern the signal away from my house? I 536 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,120 don't want to listen to the station anymore, man. So, you 537 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:06,900 know, I wanted to 538 00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:09,720 ask you, because it's really been burning my mind, but I 539 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,560 wanted to get your feel of what, what did it feel like, and what 540 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,400 were your first impressions when you came to Nashville and you 541 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,900 were going to program WTN, what was your first 542 00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:26,600 well, so when I, when I show up in Nashville, I wasn't the PD. 543 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,080 They made me the PD after a couple of months, right? But 544 00:33:30,140 --> 00:33:32,660 when I first came to Nashville, the first guy that I heard, the 545 00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:36,080 first two guys that I heard were you and Phil, Oh, wow. And I 546 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,300 remember my first thought was, holy crap, these guys are good. 547 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:47,200 And I I wasn't sure that I was going to measure up, to be 548 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,720 perfectly honest with you, because you guys were so good. 549 00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:55,360 And I'm listening to this, and I called my wife and I said, I 550 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,000 don't know if we've actually made a mistake. I don't know how 551 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,600 long I'm going to survive here in today's 12 years since I 552 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,880 started. But listening to all the hosts, I sort of found kind 553 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:11,820 of where I fit in. And bottom line was that when I came to 554 00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:14,940 Nashville, and I was a full time host, and I was on the station, 555 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:17,880 you know, the guys that had been on the station, you know, Phil 556 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,180 had been there for, I don't know, 30 years, whatever it had 557 00:34:20,180 --> 00:34:22,940 been the other guys that were on the station had both been there 558 00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:26,960 for like, 10, 1215, years, whatever it was. And, you know, 559 00:34:27,020 --> 00:34:29,840 I'm the new guy, you know. And it 560 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:33,259 was very intimidating, to be honest, it was very 561 00:34:33,259 --> 00:34:33,919 intimidating. 562 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,340 Well, see, you intimidated me because once you became program 563 00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:40,960 director, because we had not, we interfaced some, but not a lot, 564 00:34:41,020 --> 00:34:44,740 yeah, but I still remember going down the hall one day and Dan, 565 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,040 Dan, you know, when he walks down the hall, he kind of had 566 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,220 his hands in his pockets and looking down, and he looks up 567 00:34:51,220 --> 00:34:55,120 and he says, Who are you again? And I said, Johnny 568 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,960 B he's called the radio. Salutation. Oh, okay. And he 569 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,340 walks on, and I. I told Phil later that day, I said, I think 570 00:35:02,340 --> 00:35:03,780 this new PD is going to fire me, 571 00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:09,059 Johnny, that's called team building. Who are you again? 572 00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:15,239 One time, because I was, I was in the studio, and I was talking 573 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,859 to someone, and of course, using very adult language, and Dan 574 00:35:19,859 --> 00:35:24,619 walks by and as serious as a heart attack goes, Hey, there 575 00:35:24,619 --> 00:35:28,639 could be a live mic. Don't you? Think about that. And I thought 576 00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:30,199 he's got a point. 577 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:32,059 He really got it 578 00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:37,940 out for me. Hey, man, I was just kidding you, but it was but you 579 00:35:37,940 --> 00:35:40,840 were right though, yeah, I started watching my 580 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,600 language around intimidation is also part of team building, 581 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,020 lead by fear. We always say, I, 582 00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:51,579 you know, when I was a program director when, so when they made 583 00:35:51,579 --> 00:35:56,859 me? PD, it was kind of an offer that I couldn't refuse. So here 584 00:35:56,859 --> 00:36:01,979 I am now as the new guy, as the program director, and I'm 585 00:36:01,979 --> 00:36:04,319 supposed to really, I'm supposed to be Phil Valentine's boss. 586 00:36:04,319 --> 00:36:08,579 Yeah, right. So that would be intimidating, but it was 587 00:36:08,579 --> 00:36:12,719 intimidating for me, to be honest. But the see, the way 588 00:36:12,779 --> 00:36:16,919 that I when I was a program director, when I was a boss, the 589 00:36:16,919 --> 00:36:22,399 way that I, I did it was, I'm not an you would attest I'm not 590 00:36:22,399 --> 00:36:24,919 an a hole. Both of you would not an a hole, not 591 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,840 at all, not in the least. 592 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,460 Yeah, I'm not one of those guys. That has to be, right? I'm just, 593 00:36:31,460 --> 00:36:37,580 I try to be one of the guys. And so I That's my style. And so 594 00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:43,180 when, when they actually, when I stopped being the PD, it was one 595 00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:46,780 of the best days of my life, because even though I didn't 596 00:36:46,780 --> 00:36:50,440 like the fact that, you know, I was essentially demoted. But 597 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,740 what they ultimately did was they took one guy who was in 598 00:36:53,740 --> 00:36:56,740 charge of the sports station, and he was going to be over the 599 00:36:56,740 --> 00:36:59,860 entire talk product, because the 10 years that I was in charge 600 00:36:59,860 --> 00:37:03,960 of, WTN, we had great ratings. We had great revenue. My show 601 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,520 was doing good in the mid days, and tn did really well breaking 602 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,660 news, the whole thing, yeah, so it wasn't a performance issue of 603 00:37:12,660 --> 00:37:16,200 mine. It was just, you know, I was doing more and more on air. 604 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,560 I was doing more and more behind the scenes. The video stuff was 605 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:24,620 starting to go and it just it. The more they wanted to move in 606 00:37:24,620 --> 00:37:27,920 that digital direction, the more it seemed like a good time for 607 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,500 all of us to say, You know what, I'm going to focus on, the 608 00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:33,740 morning show. And that was also remember I'd, I'd been on the 609 00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:37,340 morning show for a couple of years at that point, and it was 610 00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:40,960 killing me, buying the boss and the morning show and getting 611 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,540 calls from people at, you know, three or four o'clock in the 612 00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:47,320 afternoon, trying to hire producers and all that stuff so 613 00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:54,220 but when the 10 years that I was the PD, TN, you know, I was very 614 00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:54,880 proud of it, 615 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,520 and, well, you should be. I don't mean to interrupt you, but 616 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,400 to me, and I'd been there for a while, and as far as program 617 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,480 directors go, I will, and I will say this to my dying day, I felt 618 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,140 like you were the best that we ever had because you understood 619 00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:15,120 talk radio. You loved it. You loved the talent you you really 620 00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:20,040 made us blossom. So yeah, those years for me were probably some 621 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,940 of the best that I'll ever remember. 622 00:38:22,940 --> 00:38:26,480 I think one of the most important parts of being a good 623 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,140 program director for talk radio is being a fan of talk radio and 624 00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:34,460 being a fan of talent. You know what I mean? Like I syndicated 625 00:38:34,460 --> 00:38:37,880 shows are great. I love it, but I love local talent, and I love 626 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,260 listening to local talk shows and in local markets. And the 627 00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:44,980 thing that I love about Tn is that, you know, five, a, 7p, 628 00:38:45,580 --> 00:38:51,280 we've got local, local talent, and so just, I think there's 629 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:56,260 some places where they don't even have a program director for 630 00:38:56,260 --> 00:38:59,920 the talk station. And I think that it's important to have 631 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,180 people that understand the product. And I also think that 632 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,280 now that I've been a program director and a full time host, I 633 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,900 think that it is important for a program director of a talk 634 00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:16,740 station to at least have some experience in hosting, and 635 00:39:16,740 --> 00:39:20,720 that's not something that I said before I was a host, I was just 636 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,360 a guy who was a program director of a talk station, but I didn't 637 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,760 really do any hosting. I think it's important to have that 638 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,940 perspective. So one of the reasons why I actually started 639 00:39:28,940 --> 00:39:31,520 hosting in the first place, filling in on the smaller market 640 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,120 stations, was so that I would have that experience of knowing 641 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,340 what it was like to host, because I'd never done it 642 00:39:37,340 --> 00:39:40,480 before, and so, you know, I'd done a lot of news and all that 643 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,260 kind of stuff. And it turned out I was halfway decent at it. And 644 00:39:44,740 --> 00:39:48,640 then I I started hosting on bigger stations. And now here I 645 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:56,380 am so but I think that there are people in in our industry who 646 00:39:56,380 --> 00:40:01,140 they don't really, they program talk, but. But they also program 647 00:40:01,140 --> 00:40:04,860 like a music station, and it's just sort of like, Ah, it's a 648 00:40:04,860 --> 00:40:07,620 talk station over there, whatever. Don't use the seven 649 00:40:07,620 --> 00:40:11,520 dirty words and you're gonna be fine. Well, that's true, no 650 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,920 matter what. I'm not criticizing other people. I'm just saying 651 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:19,920 that that having somebody who is solely focused on a talk product 652 00:40:19,980 --> 00:40:25,160 like we have at WTN, where our boss, he watches over the zone, 653 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,700 and WTN, he's got a firm grasp of both formats. And I think 654 00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:29,000 that's 655 00:40:29,059 --> 00:40:32,479 that's great. And I got to hand it to you too, because you were 656 00:40:32,479 --> 00:40:37,519 dealt a very tough hand when Phil passed away, because that 657 00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:41,259 was, I mean, you're talking about a major, a major player on 658 00:40:41,259 --> 00:40:44,079 the radio station. In fact, when people thought of WTN, they 659 00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:45,399 thought of Phil Valentine. 660 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:52,120 Yeah, I the hard part of that was losing a friend. Yes, for 661 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,960 years, I was on noon to three, Phil was on three to seven. And 662 00:40:56,020 --> 00:40:59,920 even though he was syndicated, he would come in and do a cross 663 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,520 with me at the local level. He didn't have to do that, but he 664 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,900 did it, you know, and and I, I recognized that, and I was so 665 00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:10,620 appreciative of that. I I considered Phil such a great 666 00:41:10,620 --> 00:41:14,940 friend, and so I was, and we were all we're dealing with the 667 00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:20,420 loss of a great friend, and at the same time, major part of the 668 00:41:20,420 --> 00:41:25,880 radio station. And also there was, you know, people that were 669 00:41:25,940 --> 00:41:29,720 attacking talk radio and calling us anti vaxxers and all that 670 00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:37,220 kind of stuff too. And so that also added an element of stress 671 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,740 to the to the whole thing as well. And so, yeah, that that 672 00:41:41,740 --> 00:41:45,820 was probably the most challenging time that I've ever 673 00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:49,900 had as a as a broadcaster, period, yeah? And, you know, I 674 00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:52,420 still look back on that time, and I start to, you know, break 675 00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:55,000 out in a rash, and it was just so awful. It was 676 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,300 awful, yeah? And I hated it. I was the one that had to call you 677 00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:02,880 and break the news to you. I remember both of us were just 678 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,380 like crying, like I 679 00:42:04,380 --> 00:42:06,660 arrived at the station that day when we had to announce that I 680 00:42:06,660 --> 00:42:09,360 was both I was I was crying, yeah, and 681 00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:12,960 I think that for 682 00:42:14,219 --> 00:42:16,319 for the people that listen to Phil, 683 00:42:18,420 --> 00:42:21,740 they'll never forget him, nor should they. No, I never will. 684 00:42:21,740 --> 00:42:24,080 I'll never forget his friendship. I'll never forget 685 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,520 his professionalism. And, I mean, it's been, gosh, how many 686 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:34,040 years has been now, 345, years. I think it's five years and, 687 00:42:35,180 --> 00:42:39,200 and, I mean, I to this day, he's, he's, I can hear his, his 688 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,720 voice in my head. 689 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:45,640 So I dream about him all the time last night, yeah, he's 690 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:46,600 always in my dreams. 691 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,680 Well, he was, you guys worked together for what? 30 years, 20 692 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,740 years, 30 years, 30 years, yeah. I mean, yeah, that's, I mean, 693 00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:57,460 obviously, clearly, a long time. Yes, it is. And you know, that 694 00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:02,100 is, you know, that's something where, when you have such a 695 00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:06,960 close association with somebody, and then you lose them so 696 00:43:07,260 --> 00:43:12,600 tragically, then it can be, it can be, what's her right word? 697 00:43:12,780 --> 00:43:18,000 It stressful isn't the right word. It's, it's something that, 698 00:43:18,060 --> 00:43:20,900 it's something that stays with you forever. Well, yeah, in 699 00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:26,240 fact, I was telling these guys that when I lost the gig at tn, 700 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:30,380 you know, I was upset about losing my job. But I think the 701 00:43:30,380 --> 00:43:34,400 biggest part of my depression I was going through was I was 702 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,180 finally dealing with the grief of losing Phil because I didn't 703 00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:39,740 get to really grieve properly. 704 00:43:39,860 --> 00:43:45,280 No, you didn't because, I mean, it went from, you know, his, the 705 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,360 loss of him, and then, okay, what are we going to do now, as 706 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:55,840 far as the afternoon show, there was that, and the staff 707 00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:01,140 shuffling, you know, I went from midday to doing afternoons for 708 00:44:01,140 --> 00:44:04,860 like, five months, and then I had to switch over to mornings 709 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,020 and so, but I'm glad I 710 00:44:07,020 --> 00:44:10,620 got to work with you during those afternoons, because that's 711 00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:15,360 what kind of made me decide that wherever you moved, I want to 712 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,380 move because you reminded me a lot of Phil as far As there was 713 00:44:19,380 --> 00:44:24,440 no big ego and you, you just wanted to get the job done. Do 714 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,040 it right, and that's it, man, entertain people. And I thought 715 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,220 this is a guy I want to be with. And so when you said you're 716 00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:34,700 going to move to mornings, I said, I definitely want to go 717 00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:37,640 with you. And then when I found out it'd be Ken Weaver, you and 718 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,040 me, I thought, this is going to be a party. 719 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,560 You? You, if you ever asked me, like, what are you most proud of 720 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,840 in in your time on the air, I would say, you know, that time 721 00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:53,980 where, and this is some, some inside radio stuff. But you 722 00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:57,580 know, we have, like, eight number one books and for two, 723 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,264 for about two, two and a half years, four. We were top two or 724 00:45:01,264 --> 00:45:06,424 top three in prime demos. I mean, that that show was with 725 00:45:06,424 --> 00:45:09,784 the three of us. Oh, it was fun, really, really good. And so much 726 00:45:09,784 --> 00:45:11,044 fun. Oh, it was fun. 727 00:45:11,044 --> 00:45:15,304 And I felt such a I felt that with Phil too, but I felt that 728 00:45:15,304 --> 00:45:19,144 with you guys. I felt a real camaraderie, and I just loved 729 00:45:19,144 --> 00:45:22,700 hanging out with you guys. Yeah. I mean, that's what, especially 730 00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:25,760 if we had to do a, you know, during the winter, when we had 731 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,020 to stay, you know, stay 732 00:45:27,020 --> 00:45:29,300 at the hotel, yeah, yeah, 733 00:45:29,540 --> 00:45:31,280 that was fun. We go out and eat. 734 00:45:31,460 --> 00:45:35,060 Oh, absolutely, yeah, absolutely. And, you know, for 735 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:41,680 for me, you know, I remember those days as waking up in the 736 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,960 morning and actually looking forward to coming in. And that's 737 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,080 not to say that. I don't I mean, I love working with my current 738 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:50,440 crew. 739 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,840 Oh, Jones, great. Jones, great. 740 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:58,480 And Sam is wonderful. He's really good. I think part of 741 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:03,840 radio is having to make adjustments. And you know when, 742 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,480 when you left? TN, I mean, everybody knows how I felt about 743 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:11,040 that, and I made it known that I was not happy in any way, shape 744 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:16,200 or form. And you know what, though, to their credit, they 745 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,480 just, they chose not to listen to me the day after, when they 746 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,320 said, you can say your piece. We're just going to go away and 747 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,300 don't say anything stupid. And I'm mad right there. What would 748 00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:32,480 you have said right there? 749 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:34,880 Right there, Jim, 750 00:46:35,179 --> 00:46:37,459 you know what? After, after they shit canned me. I'll come back 751 00:46:37,459 --> 00:46:37,639 and, 752 00:46:39,139 --> 00:46:42,639 well, I have to give them credit too, because when they let me 753 00:46:42,699 --> 00:46:44,859 go, they let you have a final day. 754 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,300 They did never, have never happened. That's true and and I 755 00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:51,700 have to hand that to them, because they said, if you'd like 756 00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:54,460 to say goodbye, and I said, Well, I would, because I was 757 00:46:54,460 --> 00:46:58,300 there so long, if I hadn't been there a long time. And just use 758 00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:01,020 it as a typical radio you know, yeah, where'd he 759 00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:03,000 go, yeah, yeah, that's exactly right, 760 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,000 but I have to hand it to him. They were nice about doing and I 761 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:11,100 gotta hand it to the PD he was. He came up to me afterward and 762 00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:13,380 shook my head, so you're a class act. And yeah, 763 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:20,960 so they trusted you with a final day, yeah, the reason why they 764 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,840 trusted you with the final day and being allowed to say goodbye 765 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,320 was because you are a class act. Oh, well, thank you. And so they 766 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,680 they trusted you, and they trusted me, and we didn't do 767 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,500 anything stupid. Now we didn't know as I was that close, but, 768 00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:39,860 well, I was too, yeah, but you know, I think you're you and Jay 769 00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:43,120 or in Jim are doing, you know, great, great job here on the 770 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:43,960 podcast. 771 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,340 And, well, we love each other. And, yeah, man, I think I make 772 00:47:48,340 --> 00:47:50,980 Jim, AJ, a little uncomfortable when he has to sit 773 00:47:50,980 --> 00:47:54,520 by me. Well, you are touching him. We all know how I feel by 774 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,520 touching I'm like, notice that dynamic. I'm like, 775 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,380 my wife would go out, she would go, I'm going to hug Dan, Dan, 776 00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:05,580 you know, and I could see him. 777 00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:10,919 I remember we used to joke about how I'm a stiff hugger, yes. And 778 00:48:10,919 --> 00:48:14,939 there's, of course, the double entendre there, but wish, you 779 00:48:14,939 --> 00:48:16,739 know, it's like, yeah, how people would come up to me 780 00:48:16,859 --> 00:48:19,199 remote so they'd like, hug me, and I'd like, stiff enough, 781 00:48:20,819 --> 00:48:24,919 yeah? And it's like, you know, it's like, so then people I work 782 00:48:24,919 --> 00:48:28,219 with, like Matt Murphy, who's been on here, and, you know, 783 00:48:28,219 --> 00:48:34,219 Matt would, you know, hey, go up and hug Mantis, even Joan, even 784 00:48:34,219 --> 00:48:38,419 Joan is like, Well, Dan, you're a terrible hugger. And so how 785 00:48:38,419 --> 00:48:40,839 can it be a bad hugger? And she said, I don't know, but 786 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,260 you're it. I remember when we all went to dinner one time is 787 00:48:44,260 --> 00:48:49,060 Ken, Dan and myself and our wives, and we all decided we 788 00:48:49,060 --> 00:48:52,540 were going to hug Dan goodbye, yeah? And we did, yeah, he was 789 00:48:52,540 --> 00:48:53,140 covered up. 790 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:59,680 Okay. Oh, time to go. Sadly. The only one that didn't hug me was 791 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:00,220 my wife. 792 00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:03,299 There's that too, she took the picture. 793 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:09,660 Yeah. Well, Dan, you know, you mentioned your wife, Amy, whom 794 00:49:09,660 --> 00:49:14,220 I've not met personally, but you know, she's your first looks 795 00:49:14,220 --> 00:49:18,000 like, she looks like a, you know, just a wonderful, 796 00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:21,320 wonderful partner and supporter and so forth. I mean, all of 797 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,540 these different roles that you're taking on. I mean, is she 798 00:49:26,540 --> 00:49:30,140 fully supportive of that, or does she say, Dan, you, you, 799 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,440 you've got too much, you, you need to slow. I mean, where does 800 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,160 she fall in that, in that whole dynamic? I'm just kind of 801 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,900 curious, because i know i Johnny and I Jim, all of us have these, 802 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,020 you know, wonderful, supportive lives. And I'm just kind of 803 00:49:44,020 --> 00:49:47,500 curious. Does she embrace that, or does she tell you, Dan, 804 00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:50,200 you're just chewing up, chewing off too much, man. 805 00:49:51,219 --> 00:49:55,119 So that tells you all you need 806 00:49:56,739 --> 00:50:02,999 to know. One of the things that she. Like she does is, you know, 807 00:50:02,999 --> 00:50:07,859 I'll be like, I'm really tired, I'm dragging today or whatever. 808 00:50:07,859 --> 00:50:12,299 And you know, she'll say, she'll say, Well, you volunteered for 809 00:50:12,299 --> 00:50:14,999 it. You know what? I mean, like, there's no, oh, I'm sorry, 810 00:50:14,999 --> 00:50:19,019 honey, let me, let me rub your feet, or let me draw you a nice 811 00:50:19,019 --> 00:50:21,739 bath. No, it's like you're the dumb ass that volunteered for 812 00:50:21,739 --> 00:50:24,619 this. Why are you doing three shows in a row, you idiot? I 813 00:50:24,619 --> 00:50:28,039 mean, that's what she does. She's actually very supportive. 814 00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:33,979 She is She she knows that I have a goal, and she also knows that 815 00:50:33,979 --> 00:50:37,699 she enjoys the vacations that we get to go on and that we need to 816 00:50:37,999 --> 00:50:44,439 redo the bathroom or whatever. And so she understands that I 817 00:50:44,439 --> 00:50:46,779 want to retire, that we have things we need to do to the 818 00:50:46,779 --> 00:50:51,099 house, and that for a lot of years, and I do okay now. But 819 00:50:51,099 --> 00:50:54,879 you know, for a lot of years, I didn't make squat in radio. I 820 00:50:54,879 --> 00:50:58,359 can relate. Yeah, we can, yeah, everybody here can relate. And 821 00:50:58,359 --> 00:51:01,439 so, you know, I did pretty well. 822 00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:07,139 I actually nice house and a nice studio. So clearly, 823 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,540 I don't know why, but I'm picturing Amy looking for, you 824 00:51:12,540 --> 00:51:16,200 know, radio stations, right? Oh, yeah. Well, Dan, here's another 825 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:16,740 one you 826 00:51:18,059 --> 00:51:21,199 could do. Station in Kansas City. We need to remodel the 827 00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:22,939 kitchen. Here's another station. 828 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,900 Go over to Paris. Here's another station. 829 00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:30,740 You can Dan, we can actually clone you now, bots, oh yeah, 830 00:51:32,540 --> 00:51:34,580 with the AI sound better than me, it would be nice. 831 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,160 No, but she so she gets, she gets persnickety, like she does. 832 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,240 I love you, honey, if you're watching, but she is very 833 00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:50,500 supportive. You know, one of these days they're gonna stop 834 00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:56,740 asking, yeah, and so I feel like I want to do it as long as 835 00:51:56,740 --> 00:52:01,800 people ask. And every time somebody asks me a big station 836 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,780 or a big show or whatever it is, I feel like it's an honor to do 837 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,460 it, and I take that very seriously. And so it's, I mean, 838 00:52:11,460 --> 00:52:14,940 I remember this America at night, which I'm doing now, and 839 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,680 I remember being a kid and listening to like a Larry King, 840 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,240 or because he used to host that show, or, like one of my all 841 00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:27,260 time favorite broadcasters, Jim Bohannon, who hosted that show. 842 00:52:27,620 --> 00:52:34,280 So I remember being a, you know, board operator KFI, and running 843 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:40,360 that show at night in the 90s with Larry King and so who would 844 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,300 have thought fast forward, you know, 30 years, whatever it was, 845 00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:47,140 whatever it is, that I'd be hosting that show as a as a fill 846 00:52:47,140 --> 00:52:51,820 in person, it's the same for Red Eye radio and so, or the Eric 847 00:52:51,820 --> 00:52:54,880 Erickson show. I mean, these are, you know, as I said, at 848 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,100 some point they're gonna stop asking, and I'll be pissed off 849 00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:01,980 that they're not asking anymore. Yeah, or so, I just feel like, 850 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:08,220 as long as they're asking, I'm gonna do it, and I also I want 851 00:53:08,220 --> 00:53:11,940 to retire, and I'm putting the money away, and I there's stuff 852 00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:14,640 I got to do to the house, and so there's just a financial aspect 853 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,320 of it too, because, you know, a wife's uh, Creativity never 854 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,760 stops. So no, let's do this. 855 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,260 Let's do that. Pretty handy, 856 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:26,720 nope, pretty mouthy. 857 00:53:31,699 --> 00:53:35,239 Yeah, yeah, I've noticed a lot of rain. 858 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:36,560 My wife is called in. 859 00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,039 Yeah, anyway, but yeah, she is supportive. Well, Dan, you know, 860 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:50,200 I mean, it's no secret you are a conservative leaning talk show 861 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,340 host. Has that always been your niche as a talk show host? 862 00:53:54,699 --> 00:54:00,719 So when I was I grew up, people know my story. I grew up and, 863 00:54:00,779 --> 00:54:03,359 you know, high school, college, I fancied myself, you know, 864 00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:07,739 smarter than everybody else, liberal. And then my dad was a 865 00:54:07,739 --> 00:54:11,099 conservative, Reagan conservative, you know. And 866 00:54:11,279 --> 00:54:15,719 slowly but surely, I started becoming more conservative. When 867 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:21,859 I started paying more taxes for me, that'll absolutely do it. 868 00:54:21,859 --> 00:54:29,119 And but when I started becoming more and more of a talk show 869 00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:33,919 host, and I started really, you know, digging into issues more 870 00:54:33,919 --> 00:54:36,919 than just as a producer would, because as a producer, you don't 871 00:54:36,919 --> 00:54:42,099 dig into the issues like if you're the actual host. And so I 872 00:54:42,099 --> 00:54:45,219 was more moderate when I was like, sort of a fill in every 873 00:54:45,219 --> 00:54:50,019 once in a while, kind of a kind of a person. But the more I 874 00:54:50,019 --> 00:54:53,439 hosted, and the more that I started really preparing for 875 00:54:53,439 --> 00:54:56,619 shows and digging into the issues, the more conservative I 876 00:54:56,619 --> 00:55:00,839 got, and then the more I started to listen. Listening to people 877 00:55:00,839 --> 00:55:04,799 like, you know, Phil Valentine, or, I don't know who else I 878 00:55:04,799 --> 00:55:08,099 would listen to before. WTN, I don't even know, but, you know, 879 00:55:08,399 --> 00:55:13,139 conservative Rush Limbaugh, yeah, Glenn Beck, you know those 880 00:55:13,139 --> 00:55:19,019 guys. Then that really, for me, it sealed the deal. Like, you 881 00:55:19,019 --> 00:55:24,019 know, who are my inspiration, you know, growing up, it would 882 00:55:24,139 --> 00:55:27,499 be, you know, Vince Scully, play by play, guy for the Dodgers, 883 00:55:27,799 --> 00:55:32,419 brilliant at storytelling. But then it'd be like a rush 884 00:55:32,419 --> 00:55:36,619 limbaugh or, you know, as I got older, a Glenn Beck, you know, 885 00:55:36,619 --> 00:55:42,159 those guys are just incredible, incredible talk show hosts. And, 886 00:55:42,279 --> 00:55:44,919 you know, Glenn still is and of course, Rush was the absolute 887 00:55:44,919 --> 00:55:48,219 master. Yes, he was, you know, Larry King. When I was board 888 00:55:48,219 --> 00:55:52,119 Oping at KFI, I'd listen to Larry King, and I'd be like, how 889 00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:54,519 does he know so much? Do you know what I mean? 890 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,780 Yes, like, well, he was so great at interviewing people. Yeah, he 891 00:55:58,780 --> 00:56:02,100 would let them talk. Yeah, because that's a lot of when I 892 00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:06,180 listen to talk show hosts, that's one criticism I have, is 893 00:56:06,660 --> 00:56:08,580 let the guest talk. 894 00:56:08,820 --> 00:56:11,160 Guilty as charged, man. Well, yeah, you're 895 00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:14,639 not as there's, there's some out there that I just want to say, 896 00:56:14,699 --> 00:56:17,159 you know, let the guests talk. That's why you've got them 897 00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:20,779 there. Larry King was the master at that. He Yeah, he would just 898 00:56:20,779 --> 00:56:20,959 ask 899 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,240 for this question. Well, this America at night. It's like a 900 00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:26,540 great show. They actually follow the format of the old Larry King 901 00:56:26,540 --> 00:56:31,280 show, so these days. So when I do that show, I've got to do 902 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,720 like, four interviews a night, and then the last hour is open 903 00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:42,880 phones. And so doing a good interview is harder than doing a 904 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:48,100 monolog. Yes, because you've got to ask the right questions, and 905 00:56:48,460 --> 00:56:52,180 you you have to be able to have this self discipline to just sit 906 00:56:52,180 --> 00:56:56,800 back and let the guy talk, let the person talk. And that can be 907 00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,100 difficult if you're used to just yapping all the time, and you 908 00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:04,800 just want to get, you know, some, some hosts have the, you 909 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,920 know, the interview has to make me look good. Well, I don't see 910 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:13,440 it like that. I see it as the interview. It's you're they're 911 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,400 there for a reason, so tap into that expertise. Yeah, and so 912 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,720 then I'm not saying I'm the great shakes at interviews. I'm 913 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,540 a long question. Asker, you remember, we used to joke about 914 00:57:23,540 --> 00:57:26,840 that? It's like I started asking a question, and then four 915 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,020 minutes later, you know, I finally get to the point of the 916 00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:32,240 question. So, but I'm working on it. 917 00:57:32,780 --> 00:57:36,860 Have you had the you mentioned you have four interviews with 918 00:57:37,460 --> 00:57:42,100 with that fill in gig, I mean, so who are some of the guests 919 00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:44,740 that you've had that have just kind of knocked you out? Or, you 920 00:57:44,740 --> 00:57:47,080 know, I'll tell you one that was horrible. You want to hear 921 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,100 one that was horrible. 922 00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:54,460 Sure, I interviewed a guy, and I can't remember his name, but he 923 00:57:54,460 --> 00:57:59,440 had, he was one of the guys that was investigating the death of 924 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:04,440 Kurt Cobain, and I was, like, his 75th interview for the day, 925 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:10,740 and so I asked him, like, one question, and he just went on, 926 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:16,080 and he wasn't making any sense, and he is just weaving in all of 927 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,020 these names and all of these places and all of these things, 928 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,420 and I'm just like, I don't know where to go. Like, I had, I had, 929 00:58:23,420 --> 00:58:26,540 like, nine questions that I was going to ask this dude, and he 930 00:58:26,540 --> 00:58:31,760 never stopped talking. And so finally I was able to slip in 931 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,140 there and ask another question, and he kept going, and he wasn't 932 00:58:36,140 --> 00:58:39,620 making any sense. I think he, I don't think he was drunk, I 933 00:58:39,620 --> 00:58:42,340 think he was tired, yeah, just because he had done it was like 934 00:58:42,340 --> 00:58:44,920 slap happy from so doing so many interviews. Well, this, 935 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:49,420 this reminds me of a name Noel monk. Oh, gosh. 936 00:58:50,260 --> 00:58:56,620 Oh, my goodness gracious. No monkey we, we try. I wish that 937 00:58:56,620 --> 00:58:57,400 tape existed. 938 00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,100 So I wish it did too, because, man, that was the most bizarre 939 00:59:00,100 --> 00:59:00,520 interview. 940 00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,940 He definitely was drunk. And it's like, in the middle 941 00:59:02,940 --> 00:59:07,140 of the day, yeah, he was either drunk or just burned out. Yeah, 942 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,680 one of the two, but both, yeah, maybe both. It was bizarre, 943 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,220 because, you know, you'd ask him a question, there'd be this long 944 00:59:14,220 --> 00:59:16,200 pause waiting for him to talk. 945 00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:22,819 And finally, the funny thing about it, that interview too, 946 00:59:22,819 --> 00:59:28,819 was, like, with Noel. I didn't, I thought he was just like, old 947 00:59:28,819 --> 00:59:32,119 and confused, yeah, and then you're the one that brought up 948 00:59:32,179 --> 00:59:34,999 that, you know, you after the interview, and we hung up, you 949 00:59:34,999 --> 00:59:41,439 said, let that be a lesson to your kids. Don't do drugs. Was 950 00:59:41,499 --> 00:59:45,159 he on drugs? And you're like, Yeah, I think so. I it's right 951 00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:47,319 over my head. I thought he was just like, as I said, old and 952 00:59:47,319 --> 00:59:47,859 confused. 953 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,380 It was really weird because I asked him in the interview, 954 00:59:50,380 --> 00:59:52,900 because Dan was nice, you know, Dan said, if you'd like to be 955 00:59:52,900 --> 00:59:56,800 involved, please do. And so I asked him, I said, No. Now, when 956 00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,920 did you first notice that Eddie and Dave were starting to have. 957 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,140 Have problems. You know that their egos were, there's a long 958 01:00:04,140 --> 01:00:08,340 pause, man, there was never any problem with those two guys. And 959 01:00:08,340 --> 01:00:10,440 I'm thinking your book says, 960 01:00:13,860 --> 01:00:19,620 poor guy, even, even a shallow knowledge of Van Halen. Yeah, 961 01:00:19,620 --> 01:00:21,740 you know that there are problems with Dave and Eddie. 962 01:00:21,740 --> 01:00:23,600 Well, all you got to do is go to a show. 963 01:00:24,739 --> 01:00:29,779 Well, yeah. And I think, I think, I think Neil Noel, no, 964 01:00:29,839 --> 01:00:33,499 no. I think no. Probably just had a hard time remembering 965 01:00:33,499 --> 01:00:35,899 because of all the drugs. I think it's easier to say, oh, 966 01:00:35,899 --> 01:00:38,239 there was no problems, rather than saying, oh, there is this 967 01:00:38,239 --> 01:00:42,159 one time, yeah, when Eddie did this or Dave did this. Do you 968 01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:44,979 know what's so interesting about Van Halen? You might get mad at 969 01:00:44,979 --> 01:00:48,159 me for saying this. I might I'm finding out that Eddie was more 970 01:00:48,159 --> 01:00:51,039 the a hole than Dave was. Yeah, I'm starting 971 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,500 to hear that. I'm hearing that about both Eddie and 972 01:00:54,820 --> 01:00:56,800 they're just both hard to get along with. 973 01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,640 Alec. Alex is blowing off Sammy. I know why. Why is that? I don't 974 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:00,760 know. 975 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,080 And he left him out of his book. I was exactly yeah, the book to 976 01:01:04,620 --> 01:01:07,020 go in. He kind of just dismisses 977 01:01:07,020 --> 01:01:10,860 those, yeah. How could you dismiss especially greatness of 978 01:01:10,860 --> 01:01:11,520 Van Hagar, 979 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,180 well and well, and after, what are you laughing at? 980 01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:19,139 Jim? No, I liked both of them. I was a huge fan. I liked 981 01:01:19,140 --> 01:01:23,180 the I liked all, yeah, I even liked Van Halen three. I didn't 982 01:01:23,180 --> 01:01:26,720 like it as much, but I thought it was not a bad album. I can 983 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:26,960 only 984 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,820 get to about two or three songs, and I'm like, 985 01:01:28,940 --> 01:01:31,940 I gotta turn up see I kind of and I saw them live during that 986 01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:35,960 time, and they were good. But what killed me about Alex's book 987 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:40,240 was you went through so many years where you just, you called 988 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,660 Dave, every name in the book, yeah, and said it was a joke. 989 01:01:43,660 --> 01:01:49,180 And you called Sammy this. We said we used to have a a this, 990 01:01:49,180 --> 01:01:54,580 this, this horrible tooth, and we had a nice, shiny cap replace 991 01:01:54,580 --> 01:01:57,760 it, yeah, talking about Sammy Hagar. So how can you go from 992 01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:58,840 that to 993 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:03,300 dismiss that year? Well, and how can you dismiss music that 994 01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:07,020 people love? Oh, yeah. I mean, I I'm on the record of saying 995 01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:09,540 probably one of my most controversial opinions that I 996 01:02:09,540 --> 01:02:12,360 think Sammy hagar's version of Van Halen was better than David 997 01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:18,840 Lee Roth's. But I don't know how you how you dismiss music that 998 01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,680 you helped create exactly. I mean, you cannot like Sammy 999 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,220 Hagar. If you're Alex Van Halen, you cannot like Sammy Hagar, but 1000 01:02:25,220 --> 01:02:26,960 still appreciate the time that you spent 1001 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,940 together and appreciate the 1002 01:02:28,940 --> 01:02:32,360 music you made. Yeah, that you're you're exactly right so, 1003 01:02:32,660 --> 01:02:37,820 and you know, the Sammy sounds a lot better than Dave does these 1004 01:02:37,820 --> 01:02:41,680 days, if we're gonna go down the road of music, Oh, yeah. David 1005 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:42,880 Lee Roth sounds terrible. 1006 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,740 Well, Dave needs to either find a new stick. Yeah, I've heard 1007 01:02:47,740 --> 01:02:51,460 him sing R and B. He can sing R B. He's got the perfect range 1008 01:02:51,460 --> 01:02:54,640 for that. Yeah, he's trying to sing too high now, and he can't 1009 01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,040 do it. He just cannot pull it off. I'll tell 1010 01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,800 you what Wolfgang sounds good. Yeah, he does. Wolfgang Van 1011 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,300 Halen sounds right. Jay, what do you think of Wolfgang Van Halen? 1012 01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:06,000 I just know him as Valerie Bertinelli, son, 1013 01:03:08,340 --> 01:03:11,340 always, always have had the crouch on the crush on Valerie. 1014 01:03:11,340 --> 01:03:13,020 Yeah, Valerie was very she had 1015 01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:14,940 that hair. Yes, she did. She was 1016 01:03:14,940 --> 01:03:19,020 a kid. She married a rock star, and then 1017 01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:22,699 it's like, there's still a love there. I mean, she's still kind 1018 01:03:22,699 --> 01:03:23,959 of enamored with him, 1019 01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:26,599 where she is with Eddie. Oh, yeah. They were divorced. He had 1020 01:03:26,599 --> 01:03:29,239 a different he's Yeah, he had a different wife, different wife. 1021 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:30,860 She hardly gets mentioned. And that 1022 01:03:30,860 --> 01:03:34,400 wife was so nice. I remember when they had the 2004 to her, 1023 01:03:34,820 --> 01:03:39,140 and I had reached out to her, not expecting a reply that I 1024 01:03:39,140 --> 01:03:42,940 wanted you know somebody from the band on Phil's show, yeah, 1025 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,920 and it was probably later that day I get a very nice email 1026 01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,220 back, and then she will try to work with me. And of course, it 1027 01:03:51,220 --> 01:03:55,240 never materialized, but at least she responded, yeah, very nice. 1028 01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,100 Yeah, very nice person. You don't, you don't 1029 01:03:57,100 --> 01:03:59,200 see that often these days, especially 1030 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:04,980 in rock and roll. No. Jamie, yeah. Jamie, yeah. Jane 1031 01:04:04,980 --> 01:04:06,180 luzewski, I think 1032 01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:11,700 was her last name. Luzewski van halens, a lot better of last 1033 01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:13,440 name. Yeah, it is. Jamie Van Halen. 1034 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:14,940 Sounds really good. Rush is 1035 01:04:14,940 --> 01:04:18,000 back together, so we're gonna talk about music. Appear dies, 1036 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,320 and now they've got Annika Niles. Annika Niles as the 1037 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,100 drummer. Have you seen the Have you seen the the videos? 1038 01:04:25,100 --> 01:04:28,940 I'm a drummer, and he was a huge influence in my playing. And 1039 01:04:30,140 --> 01:04:33,560 dare I say, she's gonna, really, she's gonna do a hell of a job. 1040 01:04:33,619 --> 01:04:36,319 Do you think so? Cuz, oh yeah, you know she didn't even know if 1041 01:04:36,319 --> 01:04:39,439 you Getty Lee says she didn't even really know her music, 1042 01:04:39,619 --> 01:04:45,039 which is great, because she can fill in the blanks, if you will. 1043 01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,040 She's not intimidated by the seat, you know. She can apply 1044 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,100 her own flavor to it, and she's going to and she's an amazing 1045 01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:53,860 player. She's almost going to probably play the parts better 1046 01:04:53,860 --> 01:04:55,720 than he could. He was a very stiff player. 1047 01:04:56,739 --> 01:05:05,879 How dare, you know, what? Wow, that's. First right here on this 1048 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,560 show, not a yeller, he's a thrower 1049 01:05:13,020 --> 01:05:16,080 that actually came dangerously close to you, that could 1050 01:05:22,380 --> 01:05:26,600 have been have been really ugly. I started picking fights. You 1051 01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:26,900 know, I've 1052 01:05:27,139 --> 01:05:28,939 got more listeners, if 1053 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:33,140 you want, but you don't think she will. Okay, she's a great 1054 01:05:33,140 --> 01:05:36,440 player. She's a great player. I don't like. Here's what I don't 1055 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:40,160 understand about drumming. What I don't understand about 1056 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:46,180 drumming is that there's different ways to play a song, 1057 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,940 like you can play red Barchetta, apparently, a completely 1058 01:05:48,940 --> 01:05:52,420 different way from Neil Pierre. I don't understand that. 1059 01:05:53,260 --> 01:05:55,120 So maybe feel it's, it's, 1060 01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,000 you know, you could put a little bit of a, you know, delaying the 1061 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,080 notes, advancing the notes, just a slightly bit, and you give it 1062 01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,900 a you just give it different feels. I mean, a lot of songs, 1063 01:06:03,900 --> 01:06:07,320 when different guys play them sound the way they play them. I 1064 01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,140 mean, it's, it's difficult concept to grasp on drums, 1065 01:06:10,140 --> 01:06:13,560 because it's the drums, yeah, but it's so true, you know? And 1066 01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,800 that's the only way to really explain it, is to see it and 1067 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:16,980 hear 1068 01:06:16,980 --> 01:06:20,100 it, yeah, you know? Well, you know what? I mean, she, she's 1069 01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:24,620 got some, she's got some, some brass stepping into that diff, 1070 01:06:24,620 --> 01:06:28,160 you know what I mean, stepping into that role. And I'm looking 1071 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:33,740 forward to hearing her, because I, you know my word worry is get 1072 01:06:33,740 --> 01:06:37,220 his voice. And how is get his voice these days? Yeah. I mean, 1073 01:06:37,220 --> 01:06:37,880 they did 1074 01:06:39,380 --> 01:06:42,820 finding my way. They did the song they did at the show that 1075 01:06:42,940 --> 01:06:46,060 they that circulated online recently. And I'm like, ooh, 1076 01:06:46,060 --> 01:06:50,620 that's little high. That's going young there. Mr. Lee, yeah, 1077 01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:55,360 that's, it's when you were still in your 20s. And don't know what 1078 01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:56,860 you're thinking with that one, but, 1079 01:06:57,099 --> 01:07:02,159 yeah, but you know what? They're such great players. And you, if 1080 01:07:02,159 --> 01:07:03,179 you're a rush fan, 1081 01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:05,940 and Getty gets to shrieking, 1082 01:07:08,099 --> 01:07:11,999 okay, yeah, you know what? But it, it's part of him. Do you 1083 01:07:11,999 --> 01:07:13,019 know what I mean? And that 1084 01:07:13,020 --> 01:07:16,980 song was toned down, was it really? Oh yeah, no, he's not. 1085 01:07:16,980 --> 01:07:20,280 He's he was he sounded like a banshee. He didn't when he sang 1086 01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,640 that in his 20s, that's, that was the same key. 1087 01:07:22,940 --> 01:07:26,300 He sure did at all. Yeah, well, I'm gonna go see him if they 1088 01:07:26,300 --> 01:07:28,520 come to Nashville. I don't know if they're coming to Nashville. 1089 01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,460 If they are, I would, yeah, let's, let's go. You buy him. 1090 01:07:32,900 --> 01:07:36,260 That's awesome. You got your own studio and everything. 1091 01:07:36,619 --> 01:07:40,659 They're probably buying. If it's free, it's for me, you know, I 1092 01:07:40,659 --> 01:07:41,079 will say 1093 01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:44,559 this, if conditions improve with things that we have and with the 1094 01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:48,819 irons in the fire, sure, why not just, you know, my wife is gonna 1095 01:07:48,819 --> 01:07:49,059 be like, 1096 01:07:49,059 --> 01:07:51,459 Excuse me, I'm sure that you want to take the guy that 1097 01:07:51,459 --> 01:07:54,879 chucked a coaster at you to the rush show. Look, man, 1098 01:07:54,940 --> 01:07:57,220 you know, getting back to when we said you guys were kind of 1099 01:07:57,220 --> 01:08:00,580 intimidating, not like you were when you came to the radio 1100 01:08:00,580 --> 01:08:02,940 station. You were kind of not intimidated by, I guess, 1101 01:08:02,940 --> 01:08:06,480 intimidated by Phil and Johnny. You guys had were also there 1102 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,660 was, like, in a mutual respect there would imagine, yeah, when 1103 01:08:09,660 --> 01:08:12,300 I first heard, I always knew you from the DR Laura show, because 1104 01:08:12,300 --> 01:08:15,180 you, she always mentioned you, yeah, and we carried her show in 1105 01:08:15,180 --> 01:08:17,040 Vegas. So, I mean, immediately I would have been 1106 01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,800 like, what Stan man this, but he was not her photographer. Let's 1107 01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,280 make, let's make that very clear. Here 1108 01:08:26,540 --> 01:08:31,040 you went there. Wow, what am I missing? Here we got, I think I 1109 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,080 might know what we're not missing. Moving right 1110 01:08:33,079 --> 01:08:34,639 along, we've got to Dan 1111 01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:39,439 still keep in touch with her or, I mean, just occasionally, 1112 01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,019 there's gotta be in ladies now, right? 1113 01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:43,719 She's on XM, is she and she is, 1114 01:08:45,100 --> 01:08:47,620 I mean, she's doing well, you know, it's funny. Actually, 1115 01:08:47,620 --> 01:08:51,940 listened for the first time in forever. I listened to her on 1116 01:08:51,940 --> 01:08:57,400 satellite radio a couple of months ago. That woman sounds 1117 01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:00,840 the same. Wow, she's gotten older, but I hear her on 1118 01:09:00,899 --> 01:09:04,739 amazing here on promos, because I have the satellite radio as 1119 01:09:04,739 --> 01:09:06,779 well. I've not listened to her show. And yeah, she sounds 1120 01:09:06,779 --> 01:09:10,559 exactly the same. She sounds the same. She sounds great. And in 1121 01:09:10,559 --> 01:09:13,079 the answer to question, no, I don't Yeah. I mean, 1122 01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:16,439 was she always nice and kind to you? I mean, you enjoyed working 1123 01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:17,339 with her, right? 1124 01:09:17,340 --> 01:09:20,300 Years, years and years, I It's great. And you know what? I 1125 01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:24,020 mean, it was like this. I mean, we were in, literally, it was a 1126 01:09:24,020 --> 01:09:27,740 room like this, and she's, you know, behind the mic and and I'm 1127 01:09:27,740 --> 01:09:30,260 over there running the board. And, you know, when I was a KFI, 1128 01:09:30,260 --> 01:09:34,460 we I would call, do the call screening and run the board. And 1129 01:09:34,460 --> 01:09:37,820 so she and I went through, you know, having it held together, 1130 01:09:37,820 --> 01:09:40,780 you know, I mean, she would get in these battles with the 1131 01:09:40,780 --> 01:09:46,720 librarians and all this kind of stuff. And it was great man and 1132 01:09:47,380 --> 01:09:50,440 and I have the utmost respect for she. She did a lot for me. 1133 01:09:50,619 --> 01:09:53,919 We carried her, like I said, a KX NT in Vegas, and when she 1134 01:09:53,919 --> 01:09:56,919 came in to do a couple shows a couple times we we had her fifth 1135 01:09:56,919 --> 01:09:58,419 annual 50th birthday, 1136 01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:00,960 her fifth annual. 50th birthday. 1137 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,560 Okay, might have been a fifth annual 49th birthday, sure. So 1138 01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,040 Courtney and I have a picture with her at the shin dig. But 1139 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,680 was she one of those talents that when the mic turned on, the 1140 01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,700 character came out? That's a great question. Because, I mean, 1141 01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:19,140 when in person, she was very cordial, polite, very low, like 1142 01:10:19,140 --> 01:10:21,260 Howard Stern was like that, yeah, like when he was off the 1143 01:10:21,260 --> 01:10:22,760 mic, he was really just reserved. 1144 01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,300 She was she was chill. I mean, she and I spent so many years 1145 01:10:26,300 --> 01:10:34,760 together and she was chill, but she she really had a had a 1146 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,240 belief in the things that she stood for, and so there was no 1147 01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:41,860 shtick, right, right, right, right. I mean to me, she was 1148 01:10:41,860 --> 01:10:46,600 always great. She was a female, and she was trying to build her 1149 01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,720 network, and she knew what her worth was, and she had to be 1150 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:54,340 strong, because she was in a male dominated business. And so 1151 01:10:54,340 --> 01:10:58,060 she she, she had to be strong, and she had to take care of 1152 01:10:58,060 --> 01:11:01,800 business, and she did an incredible job. She was an 1153 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:07,080 amazing broadcaster. You know, she there would be days where I 1154 01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:11,160 would be behind the board and I'm listening in headphones, and 1155 01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:16,260 the insight that she had was just incredible. Like she could 1156 01:11:16,260 --> 01:11:19,860 pick up a caller, would call up and start talking about whatever 1157 01:11:19,860 --> 01:11:24,500 problem she had and, or he, and she would pick up on, like, like 1158 01:11:24,500 --> 01:11:30,500 a, like a phrase, and she would be able to just, you know, cut 1159 01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:34,100 right through all of that other BS and get right to the nugget 1160 01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:37,220 of what was going on with this person. And it was uncanny, 1161 01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:41,200 like, I just to this day, I don't know how she did it. So 1162 01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:46,600 from having that insight into human behavior and and the 1163 01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,840 things that people do and the problems they have, to her 1164 01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:54,820 ability as a broadcaster, I mean, it was I learned a lot 1165 01:11:54,820 --> 01:11:59,020 just from listening to her and and I still, I think, to this 1166 01:11:59,020 --> 01:12:03,900 day, use the lessons that I learned from her in my own show. 1167 01:12:04,020 --> 01:12:10,560 And, you know, I just, I have such a fond remembrance of her, 1168 01:12:10,620 --> 01:12:14,820 and I should probably call it, tell her, I just tell her Hello, 1169 01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,000 yes, yeah, it's been a minute with Dr. 1170 01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:21,620 Well, I mean, we've talked about on the here too, is that one, 1171 01:12:21,620 --> 01:12:25,340 once you leave a radio gig, even though you guys were like, great 1172 01:12:25,340 --> 01:12:28,700 friends, whatever, you kind of lose track of one another and 1173 01:12:28,700 --> 01:12:30,980 that, well, you do. It's like 1174 01:12:30,980 --> 01:12:35,660 classmates in school. You're like, blood blood brothers, and 1175 01:12:35,660 --> 01:12:39,140 then it's just gone, yeah, well, in some cases 1176 01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:40,180 she, I mean, 1177 01:12:41,620 --> 01:12:43,780 you know, I grew as a broadcaster. I mean, when I was 1178 01:12:43,780 --> 01:12:46,480 with her, I was a board operator and a producer and all that, and 1179 01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:49,540 then I go off and I become a program director, and I become a 1180 01:12:49,540 --> 01:12:53,560 talk show host and all those kinds of things. But, I mean, 1181 01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,580 we're just completely different lives, obviously, now, but, and 1182 01:12:57,580 --> 01:13:01,620 you're right, it is, or, you know, people that maybe you're 1183 01:13:01,620 --> 01:13:05,100 on a team together, whatever, and we'll stay in touch and and 1184 01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:11,160 you just don't. But I have such a as I said, a fond remembering 1185 01:13:11,220 --> 01:13:15,660 of my time on that show and watching it grow from, you know, 1186 01:13:15,660 --> 01:13:24,620 nights at KFI to 450 radio stations. I I didn't have the 1187 01:13:24,620 --> 01:13:30,140 appreciation at the time that I do now of what she accomplished. 1188 01:13:30,260 --> 01:13:31,040 Do you know what I mean? 1189 01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:32,960 Yeah, she was a top five talker. Man, yes, she 1190 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:37,400 was when you're when you're when you're in something you don't 1191 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:42,760 always recognize how special it is. And so now that I've been 1192 01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:50,260 around the block a time or two, I realize even more how she 1193 01:13:50,500 --> 01:13:54,400 accomplished incredible things in radio. So she remains one of 1194 01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:54,820 my all time 1195 01:13:54,819 --> 01:13:57,639 favorite people. Well, when you think about it, I mean, when she 1196 01:13:57,639 --> 01:14:01,199 came out, I mean she and rush were, 1197 01:14:01,380 --> 01:14:04,320 oh, yeah. I mean, there was, yeah, I think that. I think 1198 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,020 there was like, I don't know somebody's gonna fact check me 1199 01:14:07,020 --> 01:14:09,600 on this, but I think there was, like, a couple of books where 1200 01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,160 she actually beat Rush National, yes. 1201 01:14:12,059 --> 01:14:15,659 I mean, talking a woman getting into primarily a man's field, 1202 01:14:15,779 --> 01:14:16,919 yeah, yeah, male 1203 01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:22,940 dominated, yeah. And she, as I said, she did just she, she was 1204 01:14:22,940 --> 01:14:26,660 hyper focused on the business and succeeding and helping 1205 01:14:26,660 --> 01:14:30,080 people. That was the other thing. Yes, that, you know, she 1206 01:14:30,140 --> 01:14:34,640 got a lot of crap. Glad we went down this road. She gets and got 1207 01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:39,500 a lot of crap at the time, and probably still does, because 1208 01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:44,320 people would say, Oh, she's so mean. Well, you have to 1209 01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:47,080 sometimes be mean to people to get through to them. Well, it's 1210 01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:48,460 kind of tough love, really. 1211 01:14:48,460 --> 01:14:52,780 That's exactly what it is like. Yeah, if somebody calls up and 1212 01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,060 they're doing, you know, whatever silly thing they're 1213 01:14:55,060 --> 01:14:59,920 doing, and and they ask, you know, Dr Laura's opinion, you. 1214 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,640 Well, she's got to be forceful. Otherwise people just they don't 1215 01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,240 listen, no, and then they don't really pay attention to what 1216 01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:13,020 you're saying. Sometimes you need, sometimes you need a, you 1217 01:15:13,020 --> 01:15:16,200 know, a brick upside the head to get through to you. And that's 1218 01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:21,140 what Dr Laura was and is. And, I mean, she's, I run into people, 1219 01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:25,220 actually, here in Nashville, who will come up to me at events, 1220 01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:29,300 and they'll say, you know, Doc Dr Laura helped me back in, you 1221 01:15:29,300 --> 01:15:34,640 know, 1994 or whatever it was, and and so, I mean, of all this 1222 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,700 stuff I've done in radio, I mean that that remains, one of my 1223 01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:40,660 favorite things is, you know, producing her show and getting 1224 01:15:40,660 --> 01:15:43,000 to know her as a person, I just I have the utmost 1225 01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,780 respect for Well, I have to say the same about you. I enjoyed 1226 01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,740 every moment with you, and I enjoyed doing show with you. It 1227 01:15:50,740 --> 01:15:54,820 was hilarious. It was fun. We had a good I learned a lot, and 1228 01:15:54,820 --> 01:15:57,100 I learned a lot from you, actually, well, 1229 01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:01,200 thank you. I learned a lot from you and from Phil Jay, you 1230 01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:02,160 didn't teach me anything. 1231 01:16:02,220 --> 01:16:04,980 I figured as much. Yeah, I 1232 01:16:04,980 --> 01:16:08,700 remember when Jay first came. I remember, well, the first day 1233 01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:10,920 that he was with us on the morning show you, and I were 1234 01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,040 like, wow, this dude Interesting, yeah. 1235 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,120 I mean, I didn't know this man from Adam, really, and he was, 1236 01:16:18,420 --> 01:16:22,280 and I must say, Dan's the guy that hired me at WTM. He was so 1237 01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,160 patient with me because I had another gig at the time that 1238 01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,820 really didn't allow me to get as involved with the station that I 1239 01:16:28,820 --> 01:16:31,340 would have liked and that, you know, and he was needing help. 1240 01:16:31,340 --> 01:16:35,360 And ultimately he, you know, he hung in there with me. And, you 1241 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,120 know, I've been able, since things have changed, been able 1242 01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:41,320 to devote some time to the station whenever they whenever 1243 01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,320 they call upon me. But again, I didn't know this man from Adam, 1244 01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:46,780 and you're right. I mean, like the first day that I filled in 1245 01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:50,500 on news and I gave Dan, like a zinger man. Oh, you did. I'm 1246 01:16:51,460 --> 01:16:52,840 thinking, Oh my God. 1247 01:16:56,500 --> 01:16:58,540 I don't remember what it got 1248 01:16:59,020 --> 01:17:00,180 it out for me. Dan 1249 01:17:00,180 --> 01:17:02,520 and I looked each other like, Yeah, wow. 1250 01:17:02,939 --> 01:17:06,659 Every, every once in a while and Johnny, Johnny and I dealt with 1251 01:17:06,659 --> 01:17:09,059 this, every once in a while, Jay says something, oh, 1252 01:17:09,060 --> 01:17:13,500 dude, what the hell hilarious. 1253 01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:15,360 And it comes out of nowhere. 1254 01:17:16,140 --> 01:17:18,840 Yeah, the first episode where you told the story about 1255 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:19,860 Muhammad Ali was 1256 01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,300 freaking hilarious. Just came out of nowhere. And yeah, I 1257 01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:24,800 don't know if you thought you were 1258 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,500 being funny. Yeah, you kept your wallet, yeah, 1259 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,360 but no, Dan, I mean, you know it's now, 1260 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,860 go back and watch circling the dream. 1261 01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,620 Episode One, episode one. But no, man, I still, you know, 1262 01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:45,160 again, coming in that time of morning. You know, occasionally 1263 01:17:45,220 --> 01:17:48,700 is almost worse than doing it full time, because you're, you 1264 01:17:48,700 --> 01:17:48,940 know, 1265 01:17:49,359 --> 01:17:50,859 it is worse than doing 1266 01:17:51,099 --> 01:17:54,459 it that sleeps. Yeah, you just get so out of rhythm. And I, and 1267 01:17:54,459 --> 01:17:57,099 I'm into so many things, and, you know, kind of like you, not 1268 01:17:57,099 --> 01:18:01,319 quite like you in terms of busy, but anyway, but I still love 1269 01:18:01,319 --> 01:18:04,919 coming in and, you know, joining you guys well, you know, we 1270 01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:08,640 have a lot of fun, and that's the thing about radio. And bunch 1271 01:18:08,700 --> 01:18:12,660 of all radio guys. We still appreciate radio, we still 1272 01:18:12,660 --> 01:18:15,060 appreciate theater the mind, and we still appreciate working 1273 01:18:15,059 --> 01:18:17,999 with each other. Do we have time for one more? One more? You 1274 01:18:17,999 --> 01:18:21,739 gotta get going? Or no, I'm fine. Radio. Where it's going, 1275 01:18:21,799 --> 01:18:23,839 where do you think it's going? I gotta go 1276 01:18:29,780 --> 01:18:33,620 that that is, that is actually a tough question, like the radio. 1277 01:18:33,860 --> 01:18:36,680 People will tell you, Oh, the future of radio is great, and I 1278 01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:41,440 believe that it is. But I do worry about a bench. Everybody 1279 01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:44,920 worries about a bench, if you ask a guy like me, where is the 1280 01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:50,200 next generation of radio broadcasters coming from? The 1281 01:18:50,260 --> 01:18:53,980 world of podcasting, there's a lot of really good radio 1282 01:18:53,980 --> 01:18:59,500 podcasters who or podcasters who could do radio shows, I believe. 1283 01:18:59,500 --> 01:19:05,160 But podcasting and radio is different. I think with radio, 1284 01:19:05,220 --> 01:19:09,480 you need to be more to the point. You need to be quicker 1285 01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:11,580 when you get to the point podcasting is a little 1286 01:19:11,580 --> 01:19:16,080 different. I'm not criticizing podcasting at all. But if you, 1287 01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,080 if you can teach a podcaster to do radio, which I think that you 1288 01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:23,120 can, there's your farm club right there, if the podcasters 1289 01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,300 are willing to make the modifications that they need to 1290 01:19:26,300 --> 01:19:31,640 make in order to have a successful radio show. I do 1291 01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:38,300 believe that the immediacy of radio is still something that is 1292 01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:42,040 needed, and so one of the things that I try to do during my show 1293 01:19:42,220 --> 01:19:48,460 is, and today was a great example where you've got, you 1294 01:19:48,460 --> 01:19:53,080 know, Israel is bombing Iran and Trump is posting a true social 1295 01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:58,300 is I try very hard to react to things in real time. I was on 1296 01:19:58,300 --> 01:20:01,800 Atlanta last night, and I. Talking about, you know, Artemis 1297 01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,220 and Orion and how they're going through that, that blackout, 1298 01:20:05,220 --> 01:20:09,060 that communications blackout right now as we speak. So the 1299 01:20:09,060 --> 01:20:14,580 thing that radio has is the immediacy, and that's what I try 1300 01:20:14,580 --> 01:20:19,080 to incorporate in every single show that I do. Because 1301 01:20:19,140 --> 01:20:21,740 although, you know, some podcasts, they do the live 1302 01:20:21,740 --> 01:20:25,880 podcast or whatever, but I just, I think the radio still has an 1303 01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:31,280 immediacy to it that I think is critical to its continued 1304 01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:32,960 success. Well, I tell you 1305 01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:37,100 one thing too, and I don't mean to build the kids ego, but Sam, 1306 01:20:37,100 --> 01:20:41,120 on your show, I think will one day make a great talk show host. 1307 01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,780 I think he will too. Yeah, I think he's got a lot of talent. 1308 01:20:43,780 --> 01:20:47,440 What do you think about radio? Jim and do? Where do you think 1309 01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:48,100 the future is? 1310 01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:53,800 I believe it's gonna podcasting and radio are gonna coexist at 1311 01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:57,040 some point. I think ultimately that radio is gonna feed 1312 01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,700 podcasting. That's if I were at the head of a Radio Group. 1313 01:21:00,700 --> 01:21:02,880 That's what I would do. I would be, I would be doing the I heart 1314 01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:07,200 model, without the I heart debt and building a podcast network, 1315 01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,380 and have all the towers blasting and feeding that network at the 1316 01:21:10,380 --> 01:21:15,120 same time, radiofying, if that's even a word. Podcasting that's 1317 01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,780 desperately needed. It needs to be formatted. It needs to have a 1318 01:21:18,780 --> 01:21:22,340 little bit more sheen to it. The podcasters are very raw. You 1319 01:21:22,340 --> 01:21:24,860 know, Joe Rogan is, he's raw, man, 1320 01:21:25,580 --> 01:21:30,200 yeah, I love Joe Rogan. Yeah, I love Joe Rogan. You have a 1321 01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:31,040 favorite podcaster? 1322 01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,600 A lot to him. I listen to Brad Lee. I listen to a whole bunch 1323 01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:39,020 of different you know, I've got my clients doing these guys are 1324 01:21:39,020 --> 01:21:42,040 wonderful to work with. I listen to every one of our shows that 1325 01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:47,500 we do, but favorite, I mean, it kind of, it comes in and out. 1326 01:21:47,620 --> 01:21:50,020 You know, depends on who I listen to. You know, Gary 1327 01:21:50,020 --> 01:21:52,360 Vaynerchuk is a podcast, or, if you really want, but he'll, 1328 01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,240 he'll do a podcast on a plane, into a into his phone, yeah, you 1329 01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:56,860 know, and he gets millions of downloads. 1330 01:21:56,860 --> 01:22:00,280 You know, my favorite is, who's that Professor of rock? Do you 1331 01:22:00,940 --> 01:22:03,480 know who professor of rock is? It's a video. I don't know if a 1332 01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:06,360 podcast and video, if you consider them the same, but he's 1333 01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:12,060 on YouTube, Professor of rock, and he is such a mountain of 1334 01:22:12,060 --> 01:22:16,380 music knowledge. And if you are into music and you're looking 1335 01:22:16,380 --> 01:22:20,240 for a podcast to watch or to listen to, Professor of rock, 1336 01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:24,320 that dude. And I'm not one that watches videos, or it's 1337 01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,480 actually, to be honest, it's really the only one that I 1338 01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:30,020 watch. Wow, yeah, Professor of rock, it's really good. And if 1339 01:22:30,020 --> 01:22:33,020 I'm driving around and I don't want to listen to talk radio and 1340 01:22:33,020 --> 01:22:35,780 I don't want to listen to music, I'll listen to him, and he'll 1341 01:22:35,780 --> 01:22:39,620 just it's, you know what it is, it's storytelling the way that 1342 01:22:39,620 --> 01:22:40,540 radio should be 1343 01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:46,840 whole episodes on the lack of the storytelling, even 1344 01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,980 everything and yeah, that's why we call it 1345 01:22:50,979 --> 01:22:53,619 circling the drain. We want these stories to live on before 1346 01:22:53,619 --> 01:22:54,999 they circle the drain. Do you 1347 01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,220 know who wrote? I know you guys trying to wrap this up. I have 1348 01:22:57,220 --> 01:22:59,140 nothing else to do, so that's all right. 1349 01:22:59,139 --> 01:23:01,619 Do you know who's you get here as long as you want. I miss 1350 01:23:01,619 --> 01:23:03,059 being around you. Man. Do you know who's 1351 01:23:03,059 --> 01:23:08,159 really good at storytelling in music? Is Morgan Wallen? Like 1352 01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:12,899 you listen his music, you listen his lyrics, and he's got great 1353 01:23:12,899 --> 01:23:15,779 stories, and he's got a great turn of phrase. And I don't know 1354 01:23:15,779 --> 01:23:20,539 if anybody here is a Morgan Wallen fan, but he is like, you 1355 01:23:20,539 --> 01:23:25,159 remember my favorite all time band was journey, yes, way back 1356 01:23:25,159 --> 01:23:28,879 when that's changed, really? Morgan Wallen. Morgan Wallen 1357 01:23:28,879 --> 01:23:31,039 Wallen is my guy now. Well, then he 1358 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,340 brought up someone that I'm really crazy about recently at 1359 01:23:34,340 --> 01:23:38,540 one of his shows. This new girl has come out, Ella Langley. Ella 1360 01:23:38,540 --> 01:23:42,880 Langley, I mean, I think she, she's got it all. She's great 1361 01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,160 singer. She's gorgeous. 1362 01:23:45,219 --> 01:23:46,839 She's choosing Texas, I can 1363 01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:51,100 tell, yes, unique voice. There's a vocal quality to her that's, 1364 01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:52,960 that's just interesting. 1365 01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:55,540 And it's country. I mean, she's definitely country. 1366 01:23:55,599 --> 01:23:58,839 How long before she takes the Taylor Swift route? I think, 1367 01:23:59,019 --> 01:24:02,159 Oh, you mean, go pop. I don't think she will. I think she'll 1368 01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:07,019 stay. I got five bucks. You think 1369 01:24:07,979 --> 01:24:10,979 just too much twang, for lack of a better word, no, I don't 1370 01:24:10,980 --> 01:24:14,580 think it's that. I just think she's she's gonna stay. I think 1371 01:24:14,580 --> 01:24:18,240 she's pretty much gonna stay to her roots. I think she's gonna 1372 01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:19,020 stay. I don't think 1373 01:24:19,020 --> 01:24:22,520 she's guy Jimmy, but flag the tape, yeah, flag the tape. 1374 01:24:22,939 --> 01:24:25,339 I would flag another coaster at you 1375 01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:30,080 even staying country, I think she'll be as big. I really do. 1376 01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:31,400 Oh, she's gonna be huge. 1377 01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:32,960 Yeah? I mean, she's already, she's got 1378 01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,560 it all, yeah, she broke out last year, really, yeah, it's just 1379 01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:36,920 growing 1380 01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,200 from there. Is it bad that I'm sitting here? I have, like, I've 1381 01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,100 never really heard of her, no. I mean, I'm the young guy in the 1382 01:24:42,100 --> 01:24:43,060 group. I'm like, I don't 1383 01:24:43,060 --> 01:24:45,700 know who she is, but I tell you, if you're gonna go down the road 1384 01:24:45,700 --> 01:24:49,720 of talk radio, there's nobody better than this guy. There's a 1385 01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:50,740 reason he won the 1386 01:24:50,740 --> 01:24:55,060 Marconi I wanted to get that in Johnny Marconi award 1387 01:24:55,060 --> 01:24:59,380 winner, and I want to add here as well that the first time he 1388 01:24:59,380 --> 01:25:03,180 went. I didn't think he was going to win it, but the second 1389 01:25:03,180 --> 01:25:06,300 time he went and he was dead, he said, I'm not going to win. I 1390 01:25:06,300 --> 01:25:09,120 said, Dude, I have a feeling you're going to win this time 1391 01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:10,260 you did say that I did. 1392 01:25:10,740 --> 01:25:14,160 I kept reminding him. I said, you're going to win this Marconi 1393 01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:17,460 award. Get ready. This is going to happen. And what happened? 1394 01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,480 You know, I wish that somebody would have taped my speech, 1395 01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:23,060 because I did. Thank you and thanks. 1396 01:25:23,060 --> 01:25:25,160 Somebody's got to have it on tape, right? 1397 01:25:25,340 --> 01:25:29,600 Believe it or not, no, nobody taped. How, how can nab I'm 1398 01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,560 talking to you where my camera is. Like, how can you be a bunch 1399 01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:38,960 of broadcasters and nobody taped? And nobody like recorded 1400 01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:41,140 the the Marconi awards, yeah. 1401 01:25:41,140 --> 01:25:44,200 How is that possible? The irony, yeah. 1402 01:25:45,340 --> 01:25:48,880 I was like, come on, somebody was asleep at the wheel. 1403 01:25:49,059 --> 01:25:52,119 But anyway, we were all very proud of you, because I remember 1404 01:25:52,119 --> 01:25:54,819 I talked to you when you were headed, you know, to it was New 1405 01:25:54,819 --> 01:25:57,519 York, right? Yeah, where you went? Yeah. I remember I was at 1406 01:25:57,519 --> 01:26:00,539 the station that morning and wished you well. And I had a 1407 01:26:00,539 --> 01:26:03,119 feeling too, John, that this dude's gonna win this 1408 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,760 and he did, you know what? You know what? The biggest thing I 1409 01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,300 took away from going to New York and getting that Marconi was 1410 01:26:09,300 --> 01:26:12,900 realizing how much I love living in Tennessee. Yes, New York does 1411 01:26:12,900 --> 01:26:14,760 that effect. Lord have mercy. 1412 01:26:15,059 --> 01:26:19,499 So there's just something about this area, man, it it feels like 1413 01:26:19,499 --> 01:26:21,079 home, and it is, well, that that's 1414 01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:24,380 the things like for radio guys. And how many of us would be 1415 01:26:24,380 --> 01:26:30,740 willing to move for a gig out of Tennessee? I love the South, and 1416 01:26:31,100 --> 01:26:34,100 it would be a very tough putt, even for like guy like me, and 1417 01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,820 you've moved around, apparently you're in Vegas. Once you find 1418 01:26:37,820 --> 01:26:41,260 some place that you consider home, it's hard to it's hard to 1419 01:26:41,260 --> 01:26:42,460 leave. Yes, it is. 1420 01:26:42,460 --> 01:26:45,220 So the thing is, is that, and I always say this, you guys have 1421 01:26:45,220 --> 01:26:48,580 heard me say this is that, you know, everybody recently we had 1422 01:26:48,580 --> 01:26:52,240 CRS. We had a morning show that from Oregon that came to CRS, 1423 01:26:53,020 --> 01:26:56,080 that literally got let go a week and a half before CRS, and 1424 01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:01,260 they're doing a podcast. Wow, the people left in radio just 1425 01:27:01,260 --> 01:27:03,840 because the industry sees you as valueless does not mean your 1426 01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,780 value. Does not see you as valuable. Doesn't mean your 1427 01:27:06,780 --> 01:27:10,860 value value less. I think radio people have a lot to give to Oh, 1428 01:27:10,860 --> 01:27:12,900 the digital industry, absolutely, 1429 01:27:12,899 --> 01:27:15,899 Yep, yeah. And one guy that definitely always will is this 1430 01:27:15,899 --> 01:27:19,259 guy right here, Dan mandas, if you ever get the chance, tune 1431 01:27:19,259 --> 01:27:23,839 into super talk, 99 seven. WTN, you can watch him from anywhere 1432 01:27:23,899 --> 01:27:27,799 you can go on YouTube. He also has the podcast of his own, 1433 01:27:27,799 --> 01:27:31,339 mostly peaceful, which used to be just Chris hand. Now they've 1434 01:27:31,519 --> 01:27:35,059 Matt Murphy elbowed his way in. He sure did, 1435 01:27:35,059 --> 01:27:36,619 man, yeah, he sure did. We love 1436 01:27:36,620 --> 01:27:41,440 Matt, and you're the guy that found him for us. I remember, I 1437 01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:45,220 remember when you first had him on, because Pamela fur and I 1438 01:27:45,220 --> 01:27:49,120 both wanted that shift. And I remember when I heard him, I 1439 01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:52,540 thought, Oh, there's the guy right there. I remember being in 1440 01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:56,440 the room with Pamela, and she said, So what do you think of 1441 01:27:56,440 --> 01:28:01,180 this guy? I said, Well, he's better than anybody else. Yeah. 1442 01:28:01,180 --> 01:28:04,440 Do you think he's better than us? And I went, he's better than 1443 01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:11,400 anybody else. Wow. But anyway, check out Dan wherever you can, 1444 01:28:11,580 --> 01:28:15,000 and what you see right here is what you get, because whatever 1445 01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:18,540 you hear on the air or what you see right here, this is Dan men, 1446 01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:19,020 I 1447 01:28:19,020 --> 01:28:21,860 appreciate real I appreciate the invite. There's been a lot of 1448 01:28:21,860 --> 01:28:25,040 fun, and you'll ever want to have me back, let 1449 01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,500 me know. Yeah, go, definitely. Yeah. But go get some sleep. 1450 01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:28,700 Yeah. Go get some sleep. 1451 01:28:29,660 --> 01:28:32,960 Go get some shut eye. And Jay tell them where they can check 1452 01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:33,200 us. 1453 01:28:33,260 --> 01:28:36,140 Well, of course, we're on all this, the social media 1454 01:28:36,140 --> 01:28:40,100 platforms, as well as all of the audio podcast platforms. You can 1455 01:28:40,100 --> 01:28:44,500 also watch us, not only on social media, but on circling 1456 01:28:44,500 --> 01:28:48,880 the drain.net. Yeah, we've got, you know, some more things that 1457 01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:52,720 are going to be developed on the website, so no excuse for not 1458 01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:52,960 being 1459 01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:56,320 able to find us. And if you can't find us on YouTube, don't 1460 01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,380 worry about it. We're we're we're bullying these guys. We're 1461 01:28:59,380 --> 01:29:01,000 hitting them in the head, making them work. 1462 01:29:01,060 --> 01:29:03,060 It's on there now. It is on there now, but 1463 01:29:03,060 --> 01:29:05,580 anyway, check us out next time on circling the drain. You.