WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.919 Welcome, everyone. This is the DC Beer Show. We are @DCBeer across 2 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:07.620 social media, including on Bluesky. Mike Stein, 3 00:00:07.680 --> 00:00:11.440 what is in your Stein tonight? Well, I'm doing something I 4 00:00:11.440 --> 00:00:14.885 never do since we are introducing a new 5 00:00:14.885 --> 00:00:18.645 format here on the DC beer show. I'm having a hazy pale 6 00:00:18.645 --> 00:00:22.165 ale. Why am I having green city from Other 7 00:00:22.165 --> 00:00:25.925 Half? Because there is Incognito flowable hop 8 00:00:25.925 --> 00:00:29.529 product in here. What the hell was that? I have no idea, but we have 9 00:00:29.529 --> 00:00:33.290 a very special guest. We'll bring her out in a little while, 10 00:00:33.290 --> 00:00:36.829 but, Jake, I'm curious. What are you having this evening? 11 00:00:38.170 --> 00:00:41.684 I have here another IPA, another local 12 00:00:41.745 --> 00:00:45.504 IPA at that. It is the precious one. It 13 00:00:45.504 --> 00:00:49.204 is a slightly fruited apricot IPA from 14 00:00:49.745 --> 00:00:53.220 maybe 500 feet from Other Half 15 00:00:54.100 --> 00:00:57.940 at Atlas to brews that if you're at one, you can 16 00:00:57.940 --> 00:01:01.780 walk to the other. You got chocolate in my peanut butter. You got peanut 17 00:01:01.780 --> 00:01:05.355 butter in my chocolate. Good stuff. Jordan, what are you drinking? 18 00:01:07.595 --> 00:01:11.275 Would it be okay to say I'm drinking another IPA? Just 19 00:01:11.275 --> 00:01:14.955 playing. We are three for three so far with 20 00:01:14.955 --> 00:01:18.570 IPA is in two for two with Other Half. Do you have any, 21 00:01:19.050 --> 00:01:22.830 scrap scrapple dapple was the, one of the IPAs they dropped about 22 00:01:23.210 --> 00:01:26.890 a few a few weeks ago, just, you know, not too long ago, but a 23 00:01:26.890 --> 00:01:30.605 Citra Motueka, Eldorado and, Citra 24 00:01:30.665 --> 00:01:34.505 Abstract. So, yeah, having a delightful IPA, and I think 25 00:01:34.505 --> 00:01:37.645 the listeners enjoy this. So, Brandy, what's in your handy? 26 00:01:38.345 --> 00:01:42.045 So Other Half has been mentioned several times, 27 00:01:42.104 --> 00:01:45.710 and I'm not drinking Other Half beer, but this beer is courtesy 28 00:01:46.090 --> 00:01:49.870 of my Other Half who is the GM over at Other Half, 29 00:01:50.090 --> 00:01:53.930 mister Matt Splane. Matt has a very good friend that comes in 30 00:01:53.930 --> 00:01:57.470 to visit him fairly ish often, and he brings 31 00:01:57.530 --> 00:02:01.205 in, local beer. He's a rep, like, wine rep, beer rep. 32 00:02:01.345 --> 00:02:04.965 And I am currently drinking Peabody Heights. So representing 33 00:02:05.505 --> 00:02:09.025 our Maryland breweries, I love Peabody Heights. I have a 34 00:02:09.025 --> 00:02:12.740 pixelated Pilsner. Sadly, there's not a lot 35 00:02:12.740 --> 00:02:16.580 of info on the can. Dear dear 36 00:02:16.580 --> 00:02:20.420 Peabody Heights, I don't like that. Can you put some info on the can 37 00:02:20.420 --> 00:02:24.260 for us beer nerds? Just, like, put some stuff on 38 00:02:24.260 --> 00:02:27.295 the can. Tell me what the fuck I'm drinking. Thank you. 39 00:02:28.235 --> 00:02:31.855 But, yeah. So I'm I'm enjoying that after my homemade 40 00:02:32.155 --> 00:02:35.295 margarita tonight because it is Cinco de Mayo. 41 00:02:35.835 --> 00:02:39.595 I'm so excited for this evening. We're we're switching 42 00:02:39.595 --> 00:02:43.010 it up, and I'm fucking jazzed about it. I'm wearing my 43 00:02:43.010 --> 00:02:46.629 Dynasty shirt. What what are we what are we doing? Let's go. 44 00:02:46.769 --> 00:02:50.550 It's super exciting, Brandy. I'll fill the listeners in. 45 00:02:50.769 --> 00:02:54.370 We are gonna have our guests join us for basically the 46 00:02:54.370 --> 00:02:57.830 entirety of the show. So without 47 00:02:58.215 --> 00:03:01.655 further ado, I will welcome our guest, Shana 48 00:03:01.655 --> 00:03:04.395 Solarte. Shana is joining us, 49 00:03:05.255 --> 00:03:09.095 from Chicago. But why are we having a Chicago guest 50 00:03:09.095 --> 00:03:12.660 on the DC Beer Show? Well, Shana wears many 51 00:03:12.660 --> 00:03:16.500 hats in, the brewing and beverage industries. Right 52 00:03:16.500 --> 00:03:20.260 now, she's currently marketing communications manager at 53 00:03:20.260 --> 00:03:23.940 John I. Haas who make products. So I've got 54 00:03:23.940 --> 00:03:27.675 Other Half, Screen City, which has a John I. Haas product in it. 55 00:03:27.755 --> 00:03:31.435 But then I also have Hopewell from Port City, which is 56 00:03:31.435 --> 00:03:34.795 another product, from our friends at Port City Brewing in 57 00:03:34.795 --> 00:03:38.155 Alexandria, that uses John IHaas, hop 58 00:03:38.155 --> 00:03:41.980 products. But Shana sent us, an email. She wrote a press release 59 00:03:41.980 --> 00:03:45.440 three weeks ago, about the Michael James Jackson 60 00:03:45.500 --> 00:03:49.340 Foundation and some work that, John IHaas is doing with them. So 61 00:03:49.340 --> 00:03:52.940 we wanted to bring her on. Shana, thank you so much for joining 62 00:03:52.940 --> 00:03:56.765 us. What are you enjoying this evening? If you're having a 63 00:03:56.765 --> 00:03:59.985 beverage, what are you drinking? Hey, Mike. 64 00:04:00.444 --> 00:04:04.285 I am enjoying Fuego del Sol. It's the latest 65 00:04:04.285 --> 00:04:07.905 release from Miluna. IPhone would be appropriate 66 00:04:08.790 --> 00:04:12.310 considering our, topic that we're gonna get into later on. So 67 00:04:12.310 --> 00:04:15.530 this is a collab between Miluna and KCBC 68 00:04:16.550 --> 00:04:20.149 in Bushwick, and it uses Stitcher, Mosaic, and 69 00:04:20.149 --> 00:04:23.784 Crush Shops from Haas. You know, just 70 00:04:23.784 --> 00:04:26.764 throwing that out there. It's a West Coast IPA. 71 00:04:27.465 --> 00:04:31.305 Breeze described it as East Coast flavors meets West 72 00:04:31.305 --> 00:04:34.925 Coast sensibilities. It's super fruity and tropical, but 73 00:04:34.985 --> 00:04:38.740 really pale, dry, refreshing. I 74 00:04:38.740 --> 00:04:42.500 regret only bringing one back from CBC. She she brought a 75 00:04:42.500 --> 00:04:46.260 few to share with us last week at CBC, and I only came 76 00:04:46.260 --> 00:04:49.800 home with one because we drank the rest of them in our booth. 77 00:04:49.995 --> 00:04:53.755 Nice. Nice. Nice. So Can 78 00:04:53.755 --> 00:04:56.975 we can we give a quick shout out to Breeze Galindo, 79 00:04:57.354 --> 00:05:00.975 everybody? Yay. Breeze. Love Breeze. 80 00:05:01.035 --> 00:05:04.655 Breeze, thank you so much for, a, being who you are and being 81 00:05:04.870 --> 00:05:08.710 a good friend of ours and, coming on the panel and coming to DC 82 00:05:08.710 --> 00:05:12.550 and being in MJF and being Miluna, and 83 00:05:12.550 --> 00:05:16.389 just being you. So cheers cheers to Breeze and cheers to women and beer, 84 00:05:16.389 --> 00:05:19.425 and cheers to Sean. Well said. 85 00:05:20.145 --> 00:05:23.664 So, Shana, let's back up a little bit, just for 86 00:05:23.664 --> 00:05:27.264 our no. No. For our our listeners that may not be 87 00:05:27.264 --> 00:05:31.025 familiar, CBC is the Craft Brewers Conference. You were just 88 00:05:31.025 --> 00:05:34.760 there where you saw, Breeze Galindo, who is on the board of 89 00:05:34.760 --> 00:05:37.020 the Michael Jackson Foundation. 90 00:05:38.280 --> 00:05:42.060 KCBC, Kings County Brewing Company also has another, 91 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.380 Michael Jackson Foundation board member, Rafa, Rafael 92 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:50.345 Darmas. So tell us a little bit about your 93 00:05:50.345 --> 00:05:53.385 work. You know, you sent us this press release, and I realized that some people 94 00:05:53.385 --> 00:05:57.225 might not be familiar, with what's going 95 00:05:57.225 --> 00:06:01.065 on between the MJF and Haas. Fill us 96 00:06:01.065 --> 00:06:04.690 in. What's what's happening? Yeah. I'm gonna take a few 97 00:06:04.830 --> 00:06:08.430 assumptions here and just assume most people know what the 98 00:06:08.430 --> 00:06:12.270 MJF is. The short version is they're a grant 99 00:06:12.270 --> 00:06:15.965 making organization that funds scholarships for brewers and distillers 100 00:06:15.965 --> 00:06:19.805 of color. And in the last five 101 00:06:19.805 --> 00:06:22.705 years, they launched in 2020. I think they've sent 102 00:06:23.485 --> 00:06:27.264 80 plus awardees or or given out 80 plus awards, 103 00:06:28.380 --> 00:06:31.900 to places like Stiebel and Harriet Watt and 104 00:06:31.900 --> 00:06:35.500 other great brewing and distilling programs around the 105 00:06:35.500 --> 00:06:39.180 world. And so, Hass, 106 00:06:39.180 --> 00:06:42.925 where I work, we have just launched a hot blend to 107 00:06:42.925 --> 00:06:46.765 benefit the MJF. It's the first of its kind for the 108 00:06:46.765 --> 00:06:50.445 MJF. It's the first of its kind for HAS. And it was a partnership 109 00:06:50.445 --> 00:06:54.285 that sort of came together out of our mutual 110 00:06:54.285 --> 00:06:57.505 desire to grow brewing in a way that makes a really positive impact. 111 00:06:58.310 --> 00:07:02.070 Spent a lot of time chatting with the MJF board over the last few 112 00:07:02.070 --> 00:07:05.750 months, working on this project. And one of the things that they really 113 00:07:05.750 --> 00:07:09.530 wanna drive home is that, you know, there's there's a way 114 00:07:09.590 --> 00:07:13.395 that the American public looks that is not entirely 115 00:07:13.395 --> 00:07:16.855 white but then if you look at the brewing industry and the distilling industries 116 00:07:17.235 --> 00:07:21.074 it doesn't reflect what the population of America actually looks like and 117 00:07:21.074 --> 00:07:24.755 so this is a way for some barriers to 118 00:07:24.755 --> 00:07:28.400 come down you know every every upper level job or even 119 00:07:28.400 --> 00:07:32.240 some entry level jobs in brewing and distilling require some 120 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:36.000 kind of degree or experience. And if you can't get experience without the 121 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:38.720 degree and you can't get the degree because you don't have the funds or the 122 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:42.115 opportunity or the connections, the MJF provides 123 00:07:42.735 --> 00:07:46.414 just one of many ways to to break down that barrier and move 124 00:07:46.414 --> 00:07:50.255 ahead in careers for for their candidates. And 125 00:07:50.255 --> 00:07:53.715 we know that, the Michael Jackson Foundation 126 00:07:53.935 --> 00:07:57.730 has a board that looks probably more accurately like 127 00:07:58.590 --> 00:08:02.270 our local breweries in DC, like our tap rooms, like, our 128 00:08:02.270 --> 00:08:05.410 our folks in the restaurant, food, and beverage industries. 129 00:08:06.110 --> 00:08:09.550 So we had, Breeze Galindo, a board member from the Michael Jackson Foundation 130 00:08:09.550 --> 00:08:13.045 at, Foundation at, Lost 131 00:08:13.045 --> 00:08:16.405 Generation, when Brandy was was hosting the women in beverage 132 00:08:16.405 --> 00:08:20.085 panel, two months ago. But I'm wondering about 133 00:08:20.085 --> 00:08:23.860 other friends or other luminary big people in in the 134 00:08:23.860 --> 00:08:27.400 beverage industry like, Garrett Oliver and Liz Garibay. 135 00:08:28.180 --> 00:08:31.940 How did you get all of these folks together, you know, the MJF? Did 136 00:08:31.940 --> 00:08:34.980 you did you call them all into a room? Did you have them meet you 137 00:08:34.980 --> 00:08:38.725 in a hop yard? Walk us through the process of this blend. Yeah. We 138 00:08:38.725 --> 00:08:42.184 just put up the bat signal and everybody assembled. It was really crazy. 139 00:08:43.125 --> 00:08:46.965 Eat a hop. No. I'm actually luckily for me, a 140 00:08:46.965 --> 00:08:50.485 lot of the legwork was done before I joined Haas. I I just joined last 141 00:08:50.485 --> 00:08:54.240 year, but my understanding is that some of the folks on our 142 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:58.080 sales and marketing teams and some of our analysts were kind 143 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:01.380 of trying to figure out what a good path forward would be 144 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:05.365 to do some charitable work and really, like, give a 145 00:09:05.365 --> 00:09:08.965 spotlight to some organizations that really mean a lot to us. 146 00:09:08.965 --> 00:09:12.725 And, you know, there's a lot of big movers and shakers at Haas who 147 00:09:12.725 --> 00:09:16.425 just, of course, happen to know people like Aaron Oliver. And, 148 00:09:17.285 --> 00:09:20.870 I'm pretty sure this was maybe a CBC past or some other 149 00:09:20.870 --> 00:09:24.630 industry meeting where many beers were had, and this idea was sort of born 150 00:09:24.630 --> 00:09:27.990 out of a bar conversation as many of the best ideas 151 00:09:27.990 --> 00:09:31.430 are. And so we were able to figure out 152 00:09:31.430 --> 00:09:34.975 how how can we put together something that 153 00:09:34.975 --> 00:09:38.595 is very visible, something that the MJF can really 154 00:09:38.975 --> 00:09:42.574 run with and, something that means a lot to them and to us. And for 155 00:09:42.574 --> 00:09:46.175 us, obviously, it's hops, it's quality. We wanna put forward good 156 00:09:46.175 --> 00:09:49.930 quality hops regardless of who's buying them or or what they 157 00:09:49.930 --> 00:09:53.550 represent. And so the idea was born that we would 158 00:09:54.570 --> 00:09:58.250 go to the MJF board meeting. So I think they meet in person 159 00:09:58.250 --> 00:10:01.210 once a year. I think they have a lot of online meetings throughout the year, 160 00:10:01.210 --> 00:10:04.385 but they were going to have an in person board meeting last 161 00:10:04.925 --> 00:10:08.685 fall. And a small team of us hop hop folks, went to 162 00:10:08.685 --> 00:10:12.285 the board meeting. They were gracious enough to give us a little time at the 163 00:10:12.285 --> 00:10:16.045 end of their meeting to do some experimentation. So we 164 00:10:16.045 --> 00:10:19.060 brought, I want to say 16 different hop varieties 165 00:10:19.760 --> 00:10:23.200 from some of them were multiple lots of the same variety. So we 166 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:27.040 had, I think, three different citrus, multiple mosaics, some of the big 167 00:10:27.040 --> 00:10:30.675 ones. And, all the board members 168 00:10:31.055 --> 00:10:34.655 went through every hop on their own and built their 169 00:10:34.655 --> 00:10:38.495 own blends. And then once they had built 170 00:10:38.495 --> 00:10:42.255 their blends, we gave them some parameters of, you know, logistically, it's 171 00:10:42.255 --> 00:10:45.980 best if there's up to four in a blend. So 25% each 172 00:10:45.980 --> 00:10:49.360 or maybe fiftyfifty or 70 fivetwenty five and so on. 173 00:10:49.820 --> 00:10:52.720 And they, they wrote up what they wanted their blends to be. 174 00:10:53.340 --> 00:10:56.995 We took those blends all in this, this, you know, maybe 175 00:10:56.995 --> 00:11:00.755 hour, hour and a half we were there. We took those blends on paper and 176 00:11:00.755 --> 00:11:04.355 pulled out some fresh samples, recreated them, put blind codes on 177 00:11:04.355 --> 00:11:07.715 them, and then they all evaluated all the blends 178 00:11:07.715 --> 00:11:11.320 together to pick their favorite. And there was sort of 179 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:15.160 a joke at the beginning of the session that, you know, why 180 00:11:15.160 --> 00:11:18.520 are we even doing this? We're just gonna pick Garrett's blend anyway. And we said, 181 00:11:18.520 --> 00:11:21.720 well, don't worry. We'll we'll double blind it. You'll never know whose is whose. And 182 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:24.975 then we wound up picking Garrett's, which is funny. 183 00:11:25.835 --> 00:11:29.675 Go figure. But that yeah. We got them all in 184 00:11:29.675 --> 00:11:33.275 the room, thanks to the MJF getting them in the room for us, and we 185 00:11:33.275 --> 00:11:36.870 just sort of crashed the party. Yeah. But, a good bit of 186 00:11:36.870 --> 00:11:40.710 sensory going on there as well. And then even with the double 187 00:11:40.710 --> 00:11:44.470 blind, highly academic, you couldn't you couldn't, 188 00:11:44.470 --> 00:11:47.910 you know, escape the the Jedi mind trick of of 189 00:11:47.910 --> 00:11:51.750 the of the great, Jedi, Garrett Oliver. That's exactly what he 190 00:11:51.750 --> 00:11:55.495 would say. Well, there's an interesting tidbit, 191 00:11:56.195 --> 00:11:59.555 that you had put in the press release that even though, you know, 192 00:11:59.555 --> 00:12:03.075 the the sensory was double blind, the 193 00:12:03.075 --> 00:12:06.515 Citra hops that were selected come from the Losa 194 00:12:06.515 --> 00:12:09.660 Farms in Wapato, Washington state, 195 00:12:10.680 --> 00:12:14.460 which is the only Mexican owned hop farm in The United States. 196 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:18.780 So I think it's really interesting that, you know, there's been a big 197 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:22.584 buzzword about meritocracy, as as we're 198 00:12:22.584 --> 00:12:26.425 dealing with these absurd, executive orders. But it's 199 00:12:26.425 --> 00:12:29.964 it's really fascinating that, you know, 200 00:12:30.665 --> 00:12:34.490 a Mexican owned hop farm would be the Citra that 201 00:12:34.490 --> 00:12:38.330 was chosen. As you mentioned, there were three three lot was it three 202 00:12:38.330 --> 00:12:40.830 lots or three different, Citra, 203 00:12:42.170 --> 00:12:45.770 hop yards that were presented? Yeah. Three different pallet lots of 204 00:12:45.770 --> 00:12:49.545 Citra. And so as we're I I'm assuming then all of the 205 00:12:49.545 --> 00:12:53.225 hops smelled were pellets. Is that accurate? These were 206 00:12:53.225 --> 00:12:56.985 all a % pellets. And since I'm asking 207 00:12:56.985 --> 00:13:00.750 you about hops, it seems to be that pellets are still 208 00:13:00.750 --> 00:13:04.110 the industry standard, but I keep hearing this buzz 209 00:13:04.110 --> 00:13:07.810 buzzword, flowable hop products. And Jake tried to 210 00:13:08.030 --> 00:13:11.550 educate me, three years ago on hop products. I still don't get 211 00:13:11.550 --> 00:13:14.945 it. So I'm hoping since we have an expert because you've worked for Cicerone, 212 00:13:15.404 --> 00:13:18.925 you worked for Dovetail, you worked for Omega Yeast. You've been doing 213 00:13:18.925 --> 00:13:22.704 education in the beer world for a long time. What the hell is a flowable 214 00:13:22.764 --> 00:13:26.570 hop product? There are lots of lots of different 215 00:13:26.570 --> 00:13:30.330 flowable hop products. Some really geared toward 216 00:13:30.330 --> 00:13:33.770 bittering, some geared toward flavor. Ultimately, they're 217 00:13:33.770 --> 00:13:37.390 just different types of extracts that can be made from hops. 218 00:13:37.925 --> 00:13:41.384 And so you were mentioning Incognito earlier. Incognito 219 00:13:41.845 --> 00:13:45.524 specifically is a flavor aroma product product 220 00:13:45.524 --> 00:13:49.125 using. And really what it does 221 00:13:49.125 --> 00:13:52.890 is just really boost up efficiency for the 222 00:13:52.890 --> 00:13:56.490 brewer without losing quality in, the 223 00:13:56.490 --> 00:14:00.250 variety specific flavors and aromas. So what 224 00:14:00.250 --> 00:14:03.930 you get is a mega concentrated product that is 225 00:14:03.930 --> 00:14:07.754 cheaper to ship, lighter to ship. Since there's no green matter, 226 00:14:07.754 --> 00:14:11.435 you don't soak up beer. So then you get, you know, more product in the 227 00:14:11.435 --> 00:14:14.334 fermenter, meaning more product in front of the consumers. 228 00:14:15.514 --> 00:14:19.274 And that's just, that's one of, of several different, I'm looking at a 229 00:14:19.274 --> 00:14:22.900 chart that I have next to my my desk, that I 230 00:14:22.900 --> 00:14:26.520 look at all day just to reinforce what's in here, and I'm counting, 231 00:14:26.660 --> 00:14:30.100 you know, a half dozen just by a glance. There's lots of 232 00:14:30.100 --> 00:14:33.865 different global products, but that's, that's a 233 00:14:33.865 --> 00:14:37.225 popular one for sure. So is it is a safe way to look at flowable 234 00:14:37.225 --> 00:14:41.005 hops, just hop concentrate, basically, just for like like 235 00:14:41.065 --> 00:14:44.685 abstract Incognito, it's just pure hop concentrate 236 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:47.880 that that helps make the make the brewing process more efficient. Is that a safe 237 00:14:47.880 --> 00:14:51.560 way to look at it, or is that too too general? No. That's that's a 238 00:14:51.560 --> 00:14:54.920 perfect way to look at it. It's just a % hops, but in a super 239 00:14:54.920 --> 00:14:58.760 concentrated package, that varies 240 00:14:58.760 --> 00:15:02.515 on usage, but you could probably get, you know, what would be the equivalent 241 00:15:02.515 --> 00:15:05.735 of five grams per liter in 242 00:15:06.274 --> 00:15:09.875 in pellets that you probably only have to use about one gram in 243 00:15:09.875 --> 00:15:13.635 Incognito. I'm I'm probably getting those numbers not exactly right, and 244 00:15:13.635 --> 00:15:17.360 one of our sales guys is gonna call me when he listens to this. But, 245 00:15:17.820 --> 00:15:20.399 you know, if you can fact check me. 246 00:15:21.339 --> 00:15:24.480 So for those of you who haven't seen 247 00:15:24.779 --> 00:15:28.355 Incognito in action, it looks kind of like it 248 00:15:28.355 --> 00:15:31.654 comes in a laundry detergent plastic bottle, 249 00:15:32.115 --> 00:15:35.795 and you're essentially putting that, into the 250 00:15:35.795 --> 00:15:38.455 warp, like, usually pre whirlpool. 251 00:15:40.130 --> 00:15:43.810 I'm most familiar with Mosaic because I think 252 00:15:43.810 --> 00:15:47.250 area brewers like to use that. Popular 253 00:15:47.250 --> 00:15:50.850 hop, it boosts, those kind of, 254 00:15:50.850 --> 00:15:54.530 like, dank berry flavors that I think Jordan and I, in 255 00:15:54.530 --> 00:15:57.825 particular, are looking for in a hazy, 256 00:15:58.445 --> 00:16:02.205 and I find mosaic as a just the plant itself to 257 00:16:02.205 --> 00:16:06.045 be very temperamental. Like, early harvest is way different than 258 00:16:06.045 --> 00:16:09.805 late harvest. Sometimes there were years where it was giving off this 259 00:16:09.805 --> 00:16:12.920 kind of like oniony, allum y flavor, 260 00:16:13.380 --> 00:16:16.760 and other times, much more strawberry, raspberry, 261 00:16:16.899 --> 00:16:20.660 blackberry. And so I just wanna say, I 262 00:16:20.660 --> 00:16:24.500 mean, Mosaic Incognito, has 263 00:16:24.500 --> 00:16:28.025 been a game changer for me because now I see 264 00:16:28.245 --> 00:16:32.005 that as opposed to just mosaic, and I go, oh, this 265 00:16:32.005 --> 00:16:35.605 is something that tastes like what I think mosaics is gonna taste 266 00:16:35.605 --> 00:16:38.345 like. So well done. 267 00:16:39.910 --> 00:16:43.590 Forward and Liquid Intrusion have a collaboration in 268 00:16:43.590 --> 00:16:47.350 honor of governor Wes Moore, and they've got mosaic and 269 00:16:47.350 --> 00:16:51.030 mosaic Incognito in it. And the whole it just pops with 270 00:16:51.030 --> 00:16:54.305 this great berry no. It's really well done. 271 00:16:54.605 --> 00:16:58.205 So kudos to you and the team for that. Yeah. I'd love to hear that. 272 00:16:58.205 --> 00:17:02.045 I I mean, our our sensory team really puts in the work to to 273 00:17:02.045 --> 00:17:05.744 develop the the hop hop lot blend that goes into becoming 274 00:17:06.380 --> 00:17:10.060 Incognito and any other flavor and aroma product. So they're trying to get 275 00:17:10.060 --> 00:17:13.680 as sort of as true to the classic mosaic 276 00:17:13.820 --> 00:17:17.340 or whatever variety you pick as it can be. 277 00:17:17.340 --> 00:17:21.034 And, I don't know. It's pretty cool to work with a lot of very smart 278 00:17:21.034 --> 00:17:24.734 people. I'll add, Shanna, you have 279 00:17:25.674 --> 00:17:29.355 you have, quite a bit of experience, in beer 280 00:17:29.355 --> 00:17:33.010 education. You know, you worked for the Dovetail 281 00:17:33.010 --> 00:17:36.230 Brewing Company, which is sort of notorious for having 282 00:17:37.810 --> 00:17:41.350 beer nerds work there. You know, in production and sales, 283 00:17:42.210 --> 00:17:45.905 you know how to tap a firkin on the bar top, you 284 00:17:45.905 --> 00:17:49.345 know how to make decoction sound interesting, water 285 00:17:49.345 --> 00:17:53.185 profiles and the heaven's water of of Pilton and, 286 00:17:53.745 --> 00:17:57.125 you know, dovetail is well known for having an educational 287 00:17:57.185 --> 00:18:00.710 component. You work to put some manuscript 288 00:18:00.850 --> 00:18:02.530 books together at the at the Cicerone, 289 00:18:04.210 --> 00:18:07.830 organization when you were there. You've worked now on the backside 290 00:18:07.970 --> 00:18:11.265 of brewing the supplier side, first at Omega 291 00:18:11.485 --> 00:18:15.085 yeast, which is a yeast, supplier, and now 292 00:18:15.085 --> 00:18:17.745 with Hass, with the hop supplier. I'm wondering 293 00:18:18.845 --> 00:18:22.225 what you do these days to keep your your passion 294 00:18:22.285 --> 00:18:26.050 ignited, your educational flame lit, as 295 00:18:26.050 --> 00:18:29.650 you are, you know, someone known in the industry for 296 00:18:29.650 --> 00:18:33.330 for educating people. How do you continue to educate yourself and 297 00:18:33.330 --> 00:18:37.090 keep that passion to educate beer brewers, consumers, and 298 00:18:37.090 --> 00:18:40.150 and others? That's a great question. 299 00:18:40.845 --> 00:18:44.605 I I think a good part of it is that I have 300 00:18:44.605 --> 00:18:47.905 so many years of just being a big nerd, 301 00:18:48.684 --> 00:18:52.125 and I seek out new information wherever I can find it. 302 00:18:52.125 --> 00:18:55.500 And part of the excitement of coming to a hops 303 00:18:55.500 --> 00:18:58.800 company was that I hadn't really spent a lot of time around 304 00:18:59.180 --> 00:19:03.020 hops. The the brewery I worked at is not known 305 00:19:03.020 --> 00:19:06.635 for being a big hop forward brewery, so it was kind of like, you know 306 00:19:06.635 --> 00:19:10.235 we've got noble types and and they're 307 00:19:10.235 --> 00:19:13.674 there they're there to support and some of the beers have a little more hop 308 00:19:13.674 --> 00:19:17.434 than others but nothing like we're seeing and you know this entire group is drinking 309 00:19:17.434 --> 00:19:21.230 IPAs right now now. So at at Dovetail, IPA 310 00:19:21.230 --> 00:19:25.070 stood for I prefer alt beer. And that's that's 311 00:19:25.070 --> 00:19:28.430 great. I mean, I love it there. I I still go drink there all the 312 00:19:28.430 --> 00:19:31.630 time. Yeah. I think I think for me, it's, 313 00:19:33.065 --> 00:19:36.525 it's been really helpful to have this technical and educational 314 00:19:36.745 --> 00:19:40.125 background to sort of inform my role in 315 00:19:40.425 --> 00:19:44.265 communications and in marketing, because I think you can ask a 316 00:19:44.265 --> 00:19:47.830 lot of people who work in specialized in technical fields 317 00:19:47.830 --> 00:19:51.590 that a lot of times the comms team or the marketing team doesn't 318 00:19:51.590 --> 00:19:55.429 really know what the company does. They're just brought in because they're, they're good 319 00:19:55.429 --> 00:19:59.030 at their jobs. And, and I think that's, that's great. 320 00:20:00.150 --> 00:20:03.924 But I'm filling a role that's, Hass hasn't had. So I've been able to 321 00:20:03.924 --> 00:20:07.684 kind of make it my own and develop communications in a 322 00:20:07.684 --> 00:20:11.525 way that is very education forward. And we have a lot of 323 00:20:11.525 --> 00:20:14.965 folks on our team who are, like I said, very smart, a lot of them 324 00:20:14.965 --> 00:20:18.730 smarter than me about a lot of things. So it's, it's cool to be surrounded 325 00:20:18.730 --> 00:20:22.410 by folks that are just fountains of knowledge. I, I had it working at 326 00:20:22.410 --> 00:20:26.170 Omega as well. Getting to just sort of pop my 327 00:20:26.170 --> 00:20:29.390 head into Doctor. Laura Burns office whenever I want is 328 00:20:29.875 --> 00:20:33.395 something I really miss. I could text her anytime, but it's not quite the 329 00:20:33.395 --> 00:20:37.154 same as popping my head in the door. So, yeah, 330 00:20:37.154 --> 00:20:40.995 I I I definitely miss having training as a more regular 331 00:20:40.995 --> 00:20:44.580 component of my job, but I don't feel like it's completely gone, which is 332 00:20:44.580 --> 00:20:48.280 nice. Well, it's it's great to have you here on the show, 333 00:20:48.660 --> 00:20:52.280 Shana, and and and we're excited, for all of the work 334 00:20:52.580 --> 00:20:54.840 that you're putting in and Haas is putting in. 335 00:20:56.365 --> 00:21:00.205 Can we ask you what your favorite hop is? 336 00:21:00.205 --> 00:21:03.645 Is it a new world hop, an old world hop? You 337 00:21:03.645 --> 00:21:07.025 know, what what what would you say your favorite hop is? 338 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.640 Controversial answer, maybe for someone who works for an American hop company, 339 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.320 but I'm, I'm a really big fan of Saphir hops, and I 340 00:21:15.320 --> 00:21:18.679 think that's just many, many years of drinking hoppy 341 00:21:18.679 --> 00:21:22.365 lager. If I had to pick an American hop, 342 00:21:22.365 --> 00:21:26.205 I mean, we just commercialized crush last year, right? Right around 343 00:21:26.205 --> 00:21:29.825 when I came on board and I love crush. I think crush is just 344 00:21:30.365 --> 00:21:34.045 an awesome, awesome hop. It smells so good. It smells the 345 00:21:34.045 --> 00:21:37.420 same, practically the same from, from field to 346 00:21:37.420 --> 00:21:40.860 glass. I mean, you rub the fresh cones, you rub the pellets, you rub rub 347 00:21:40.860 --> 00:21:44.140 the dry leaf, and then you have beer with crush in it. It's kind of 348 00:21:44.140 --> 00:21:47.660 all the same, like, peach mango smoothie vibe. I love 349 00:21:47.660 --> 00:21:51.180 it. That's really cool. Two 350 00:21:51.180 --> 00:21:54.925 different hops, wonderfully, decadent in their own 351 00:21:54.925 --> 00:21:58.605 regard. But we should we should let 352 00:21:58.605 --> 00:22:02.285 folks know, Shana, that if brewers or friends who are 353 00:22:02.285 --> 00:22:05.570 brewers who are listening are interested in getting the MJF 354 00:22:05.950 --> 00:22:09.570 hot blend, will their purchase of the blend, 355 00:22:10.830 --> 00:22:14.669 be you know, will it go towards something? What is Hass doing to 356 00:22:14.669 --> 00:22:18.270 to help with this blend? Yeah. So the MJF blend is not 357 00:22:18.270 --> 00:22:21.835 just, a the name alone. It 358 00:22:21.835 --> 00:22:25.515 is also, charitable donation from each 359 00:22:25.515 --> 00:22:29.275 pound sold. So for every pound of the blend sold, we will 360 00:22:29.275 --> 00:22:32.130 donate $5 to the MJF, which 361 00:22:33.410 --> 00:22:37.250 we've got about 5,000 pounds of the blend available. So you 362 00:22:37.250 --> 00:22:40.870 can sort of extrapolate from there. We were pretty stoked to help them 363 00:22:41.010 --> 00:22:44.850 on their most recent fundraising campaign with a big match. And, I don't 364 00:22:44.850 --> 00:22:48.075 know if you saw the photos from their party during CBC, but they raised 365 00:22:48.394 --> 00:22:51.995 $200, which is pretty rad. So we're 366 00:22:51.995 --> 00:22:55.455 we're stoked to be part of it. We're stoked to keep it rolling. 367 00:22:56.235 --> 00:22:59.514 If anybody's listening is trying to get their hands on it, reach out to your 368 00:22:59.514 --> 00:23:02.660 Haas reps. If you don't have a Haas rep, shoot us an email, and we'll 369 00:23:02.660 --> 00:23:06.340 we'll find you one. Awesome. Thank you, Shana. 370 00:23:06.340 --> 00:23:09.940 We're we love we love to see it. We love to hear it, and we 371 00:23:09.940 --> 00:23:12.520 wish nothing but success to the MJF. 372 00:23:13.940 --> 00:23:17.485 Thank you so much. I think it's really cool that we have, 373 00:23:18.505 --> 00:23:21.945 a hop representative on because we talk about 374 00:23:21.945 --> 00:23:25.705 beer so much. It's such a huge aspect of 375 00:23:25.705 --> 00:23:29.320 all of our lives. And, having a 376 00:23:29.320 --> 00:23:32.380 hop expert and someone representing one of the 377 00:23:32.840 --> 00:23:36.460 biggest, hop, deliverers, 378 00:23:36.679 --> 00:23:39.260 I'm gonna say deliverer, producer and deliverer, 379 00:23:40.345 --> 00:23:43.785 is is really a big deal, and thank you for coming on. This is this 380 00:23:43.785 --> 00:23:47.245 is really cool. I'm so excited for some of the upcoming 381 00:23:47.305 --> 00:23:51.065 events we have going on. We have, we 382 00:23:51.065 --> 00:23:54.810 have the Maryland Craft Beer Festival this weekend in 383 00:23:54.970 --> 00:23:58.730 Frederick, Maryland. So many 384 00:23:58.730 --> 00:24:02.330 of us have gone to that. We've even taken a bus there in 385 00:24:02.330 --> 00:24:05.070 years past. Hashtag junket, 386 00:24:06.090 --> 00:24:09.544 Papa beer. So this 387 00:24:09.544 --> 00:24:13.005 weekend, the tenth, is Maryland Craft Beer Festival 388 00:24:13.465 --> 00:24:17.304 in Frederick. Frederick's fucking adorable. I wanna 389 00:24:17.304 --> 00:24:21.090 give my accolades and flowers to Frederick because, you know, I 390 00:24:21.090 --> 00:24:24.770 I noticed a lot of our local DC beer friends and members live up 391 00:24:24.770 --> 00:24:28.450 there. You know, they're lucky because they have tenth Ward and a 392 00:24:28.450 --> 00:24:31.090 bunch of, you know, local breweries, but, 393 00:24:33.195 --> 00:24:36.875 was on my, my second women's panel for the month at Other 394 00:24:36.875 --> 00:24:39.215 Half who uses Paws Pops, 395 00:24:40.475 --> 00:24:44.235 tying it back, book ending it. But, you know, you know, I 396 00:24:44.235 --> 00:24:47.595 come from the gin distilling industry, and McClintock and to the Ward 397 00:24:47.595 --> 00:24:51.409 are are crushing it up there. So massive shouts to 398 00:24:51.409 --> 00:24:54.770 Frederick. So if you're up in Frederick this weekend, come to the Maryland Craft Beer 399 00:24:54.770 --> 00:24:57.909 Festival. The women's brew culture club gets a 400 00:24:58.210 --> 00:25:01.965 hefty half off discount for our tickets because we wanna 401 00:25:01.965 --> 00:25:05.485 see more women and non binary folk in the beverage 402 00:25:05.485 --> 00:25:08.925 industry coming to events. And please join 403 00:25:08.925 --> 00:25:12.765 us. Seriously, please join us for our May beer share, 404 00:25:14.130 --> 00:25:17.890 at DC Brow. We're we're gonna be at DC Brow this 405 00:25:17.890 --> 00:25:20.850 upcoming Friday on the sixteenth, and, 406 00:25:21.330 --> 00:25:24.930 I'm jazzed because, we haven't been at DC Brow in a hot 407 00:25:24.930 --> 00:25:28.705 minute, and they are making some banging beer. And then we'll 408 00:25:28.705 --> 00:25:32.545 be back at DC Brown at the end of the month because, drafts and 409 00:25:32.545 --> 00:25:36.005 crafts, is gonna be there. So we'll be pouring 410 00:25:36.225 --> 00:25:39.905 heavy. I'll be pouring for lost gen, prepping my lovely local 411 00:25:39.905 --> 00:25:43.650 brewery. And then our June beer share is in 412 00:25:44.210 --> 00:25:47.750 at Sovereign, and our July beer share is at ChaCha. 413 00:25:48.370 --> 00:25:52.150 So we we we've got some good stuff coming up. DC beer, fam, 414 00:25:52.370 --> 00:25:55.925 we're gonna be living the best life. We're gonna be giving our 415 00:25:55.925 --> 00:25:59.605 summer girl and theys and thems and he's and us 416 00:25:59.605 --> 00:26:03.305 vibes, and we'll be drinking the best beer. And cheers 417 00:26:03.365 --> 00:26:07.125 to hops, cheers to women and beer, cheers to us drinking 418 00:26:07.125 --> 00:26:10.880 beer, and, cheers to beer in general. Brandy, I 419 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:14.399 should ask you, do you know what our beer of the 420 00:26:14.399 --> 00:26:16.740 month is now that we're in May? 421 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:22.245 Mister Stein, I feel like you chose the beer of the month, 422 00:26:22.485 --> 00:26:26.325 sir. So, you are the one to talk about the beer of 423 00:26:26.325 --> 00:26:30.165 the month. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. A minute. But you 424 00:26:31.445 --> 00:26:35.220 thing about it, sir. You did the words. I just didn't know those. The 425 00:26:35.220 --> 00:26:38.740 beer of the month looked good. Shout out to Katie, the the 426 00:26:38.740 --> 00:26:42.420 general manager at Bluejacket, who I'm checking 427 00:26:42.420 --> 00:26:46.100 out her wonderful, robin's egg blue nails on this great 428 00:26:46.100 --> 00:26:49.825 photo you took of Midwest condensation. And Bluejacket is 429 00:26:49.825 --> 00:26:53.665 the brewer for Midwest condensation, the Czech style pale 430 00:26:53.665 --> 00:26:57.105 lager. It's only 3.8%, but it's full of 431 00:26:57.105 --> 00:27:00.809 flavor. And you can get it at the woman owned Brew 432 00:27:00.809 --> 00:27:04.590 Shop in Arlington. So check us out, dcbeer.com 433 00:27:04.890 --> 00:27:08.510 or go to patreon.com/dcbeer. 434 00:27:08.650 --> 00:27:12.409 Remember that members get 10% off so you get that 435 00:27:12.409 --> 00:27:16.115 discount if you become a supporter. Jake, what are 436 00:27:16.115 --> 00:27:19.875 you looking forward to as we look towards May? I 437 00:27:19.875 --> 00:27:23.654 also wanna say, this weekend is also Mother's Day, 438 00:27:24.195 --> 00:27:27.794 which sparks joy. For some of us, I can realize it's 439 00:27:27.794 --> 00:27:31.610 also complicated for others. I just wanna shout 440 00:27:31.610 --> 00:27:35.070 out to moms. We love you. Moms, 441 00:27:35.290 --> 00:27:38.810 beer is for you as well. It's not just for, like, a bunch of 442 00:27:38.810 --> 00:27:42.270 bearded bros. So thank you. 443 00:27:42.490 --> 00:27:45.705 Don't do what Bullfinch Brewery did in Syracuse, 444 00:27:46.005 --> 00:27:49.525 which is have a giant sign outside saying that their 445 00:27:49.525 --> 00:27:53.145 brew brewpub was, quote, unquote, husband daycare 446 00:27:53.205 --> 00:27:56.840 and boyfriend daycare. That's shitty. 447 00:27:57.059 --> 00:28:00.120 Don't do it, Bullfinch. Do better. 448 00:28:00.820 --> 00:28:04.580 Oof. Rough. Yeah. It was a big 449 00:28:04.580 --> 00:28:08.179 yikes because I walked over there and wanted to, like, oh, like, let me grab 450 00:28:08.179 --> 00:28:11.955 a pint. Saw that sign and went, nope. I'll be going someplace else. 451 00:28:11.955 --> 00:28:15.715 That is how you lose my business real quick. I don't do that. It's 452 00:28:15.715 --> 00:28:17.815 2025. Beer is for everybody. 453 00:28:19.715 --> 00:28:23.315 Mom should drink too. Happy Mother's Day. Well said, 454 00:28:23.315 --> 00:28:26.720 sir. Well said. Oh, beer is for everyone. You guys, 455 00:28:27.840 --> 00:28:30.980 the the listeners can't see what we see, 456 00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:35.120 and, there was a beer is for everyone sticker 457 00:28:35.120 --> 00:28:38.720 just flung upon the screen, and I 458 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:42.245 applaud it so hard. Thank you. 459 00:28:43.345 --> 00:28:47.184 Thank you to, everybody, and thank you to our guests tonight. Jake, do you 460 00:28:47.184 --> 00:28:50.965 wanna take us out? Yeah. I think well said. 461 00:28:51.505 --> 00:28:55.180 Beer events galore coming up. It's May. It's 462 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:59.080 meibock season. I know it's raining right now, but 463 00:28:59.080 --> 00:29:02.700 there'll be flowers after the rain. A lovely rainbow. 464 00:29:03.080 --> 00:29:06.440 Everybody go out there. Patronize your local brewery. Support 465 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:10.205 local. Hopefully, tariffs haven't hit yet, and so 466 00:29:10.205 --> 00:29:13.425 things are still as they should be and not 467 00:29:13.965 --> 00:29:17.565 20 to 50% more expensive. Be 468 00:29:17.565 --> 00:29:21.325 nice to your fellow people, beer workers, beer 469 00:29:21.325 --> 00:29:24.350 servers. Go out there. Drink on the patio. 470 00:29:25.130 --> 00:29:28.730 Tip well, and we're at DCB across social media. Check out the 471 00:29:28.730 --> 00:29:32.170 reels that Brandy's doing over on Instagram. It's good, good 472 00:29:32.170 --> 00:29:35.630 stuff. Alright. Bye, everybody. Thanks. Cheers.