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In this episode, you'll hear Part Two of my conversation with Whitney Fountain
Ruiz, a recent graduate of Arizona State University, where she received
her master's degree in communication.
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You did have to make some decisions about how you were going to organize
it, and it sounds like you got kind of a timeline for the course Kind of what
areas were supposed to get filled in at certain times to keep you on track.
Um, but did you make decisions about kind of how you wanted to, um, name
certain parts of the portfolio you chose?
It looks like some specific learning outcomes that you wanted to focus on.
Were those decisions that you made or were they part of a template
or prompts that you were given?
What was that process like?
I think it was a mix of both.
Um, For example, there was one section where I needed to speak about the
organization and how I intertwined, how I was um intertwined with the organization.
How did I know this organization?
Or how am I a participant in it?
And, you know, I had that section split like that, but I also added other things.
I added a part on the side just to explain Uh, more about the organization
or, um, I showed the social media posts that we had and, uh, videos, actually,
yeah, a training video that I did that wasn't requested of me, but I showed
a training video that I did for the Toastmasters just to show how much I was
involved in it and the tools that I used.
I will say that doing the project as a whole, it really pushed me
in a way where I, I learned that I was capable, capable of doing other
things than I didn't think I was, especially on a time, on a timeline.
All right.
On a time crunch.
Uh huh.
And so, yeah, exactly.
So, and, and like I said, and I got to use so many great tools, especially with AI.
I, uh, played around with some things like on Canva, there is.
Like an AI, uh, photo generator.
And so I created a character and then I found another website that,
uh, has AI voices, I think it was called Eleven or something like that.
And so with this character, I made her a voice in a script and
then I edited the video and I put it all together and it was just.
It was something, uh, creative that I always want to do.
I know I'm capable of doing it.
I've been editing since I was 18 for weddings and quinceañeras.
And so I know, I know how to edit, but it was just knowing that I could motivate
myself to complete a project the way that I want to do it, kind of like the
way that you see other YouTubers do it.
And I'm like, Hey, I can do this.
You know, I, I always want to, but I never am motivated to, but this project showed
me that I could motivate myself and use these new tools to push myself along.
And they're really exciting.
I mean, it's like a game to me, you know, seeing these new.
AI stuff, yeah, and creating videos and and tools that I can show to future
employee employers, you know Yeah, yeah, absolutely And I was curious
when you started this was this kind of process on reflecting on your
learnings Something that you had done prior to this course, or was this
a new kind of process for you too?
Not only building the ePortfolio, but having this kind of reflection built in.
Meaning, did I take all the information, for example, all the
knowledge that I gained from my whole degree and put it into this?
Oh, well, I was kind of curious.
So for some students, they've never been asked So I think for many students, they
go through this process as they're going to school of doing an assignment, turning
it in, getting a grade, and moving on.
And for many students, they haven't, before they've gone through a process of
creating an ePortfolio, had, um, any kind of time or tool available where they're
actually thinking about what they may have learned from that experience and how it
may connect to other things that they've learned before or that are part of kind
of future things that they want to know.
This kind of reflection process is often very new to them.
Had you been asked about that?
to do that in any prior courses, or was that a new experience also?
Yeah, in the training and development course, we were asked to, I think we
were asked to pick our skills, like a certain amount of skills and competency.
Uh, Skills Lists, and then we were asked to apply the information that we learned,
I think, either within that course or within other courses to each skill.
So we, we had to show examples.
Let's say I said that one of my skills was working well with others.
Luckily, I take lots of screenshots with meetings and was able to
show, okay, this is the team.
Actually, yeah, I have video too.
I said, this is the team that I worked with for this project and
this is how we work together.
I showed them the documents that we made and showed how we work together as a team.
Like for example, and I've learned this throughout the years when we have to do a
group project, I make sure I'm the first person to create a document and I put,
I put all of our names in the document.
I put my, I, as an example, I put my phone number and the times and
days that I'm available, and then I.
Make another section like, okay, this is a list of tasks that we might need to
do and who wants to take on each task.
So that way I'm kind of in control of what you're setting the stage there.
So I showed off a document like that, you know, this is how I, um, how I worked
with the team and they appreciated that.
They loved it because it took off.
Uh, a lot of them told me that it took off pressure.
Um, even like nobody likes to be the leader and it wasn't that I was.
I'm trying to be a leader.
I, I wanted to be the facilitator.
That's like, that's one of my favorite roles to do, you know, so if, if every,
if there's someone who can't meet up, I'll make sure that I take video of the
meeting and send it to them, you know, and I'll, I'll make sure that everybody.
Is participant or, um, given the information that is needed so
that we can all get a good grade.
You know, my friend, she told me, she's like, I'm so glad
you're in my group right now.
Cause I already know how you work and I know we're going to get a good grade.
Yeah.
I did put pressure on myself to get good grades.
And the funny thing is, I tell my son, Don't worry.
You don't pressure yourself.
But he saw me.
And I think that's why he puts so much pressure on himself.
He's like, Okay, look.
You're over there getting A's, Mom.
So, I guess I have to do it too.
Well, and how incredible for him to get to get to see you
through this experience, too.
I'm sure it's been incredibly inspiring for him.
Or scary for him for the future.
I don't know.
I think my husband says like, finally, you're not a monster anymore.
You're done.
No, I mean, I it was I was stressed, but I think also, um, I might have
just put that much stress on myself, because, like you were mentioning...
um, a lot of students, they do their, their work and then they get a grade.
And for us, once you get that grade, it's a validation.
Okay.
Now I know either I did good or I did bad and I can fix it or not.
But with the, with the Digication, the last one that I did for Capstone, we
weren't receiving any grades per section.
It was like, you, you have to do this whole project and then
you'll get the grade at the end.
So that's, I think that's what made it, uh, um, scary or gave us
a little bit of anxiety over it.
It's a bigger project, yeah.
And even though eight weeks isn't a lot of time, it's still, yeah, a accumulation
of a lot of work and writing about what you've done and what you've achieved.
And what I really enjoyed about, uh, your, your ePortfolio also is that you
included some really interesting, uh, kinds of, we often refer to as kind
of pieces of evidence of your learning that people might not think about.
So you mentioned you take a lot of screenshots and things
of your meetings and videos.
And there was one in particular that you shared that I thought was great.
That it was actually during, um, I think it may have been a training or
educational exercise, but it was something where the technology was not working.
Oh, yes.
And, and we've all been there, right?
Um, but you shared that because you wanted people to see, you know, this is how I
was trying to problem solve in the moment.
And this is what I learned from that experience and things
that I'll do going forward.
Should I be in that kind of situation
What, you know, at Digication, when we're creating this platform, we're
always thinking about ways that students can always have an opportunity
to share who they are, and what they know, and their successes, of course,
but we really also want it to be that place where they can celebrate
the whole person and that includes the challenges they've encountered.
It includes those, um, bumpy times someone the other day was talking about as being
those wobbly, wobbly moments where we may not be in sure footing, um, but that
we, are able to, you know, make our way through and look back on and, you know,
whether we see that as um, you know, we call it kind of failing forward where, you
know, you may recognize that you messed up or something didn't go the way you wanted,
but how you've grown from that and may approach things differently in the future.
And I loved that you, you know, shared that situation because I'm
sure it was very uncomfortable.
Well, first of all, I spent hours.
I would, I spent so many hours.
I found a video online, uh, I think the Digication that you're telling, talking
about, um, I, for one of the training videos, I wanted to teach my teammates
about creating a, uh, PowerPoint.
Yes.
An effective PowerPoint.
And there's a great video about it, uh, and it was like, I'll say 20 minutes long.
Mm hmm.
And I shrunk it down to five minutes.
About five minutes.
I really had to cut it up and I, I spent so many hours on it and I was
so excited to show my team and then it, they couldn't hear, they couldn't
hear what was going on, like what the heck, why isn't that working?
Um, and then I just said, okay, well, you know, This is, yeah, like you
said, um, having experiences like that really teaches you that you
need to, what you need to do next time, how you need to be prepared.
So when I do, for example, an interview with someone, I make sure
I have my phone next to me too, to also record the interview in
case for some reason the computer doesn't record the sound, you know.
And, and it really has taught me how to be prepared.
The, the reflection part of those Digications.
are really essential because I think a lot of people are afraid
of, of failing, of course.
They don't know, even, not just failing, they're just afraid of,
in general, not, of the unknown.
They're afraid of the unknown.
And reflecting on those things and figuring out what you could
have done for the next time.
It really, it really builds resilience.
It really builds problem solving skills and prepares you for the future, for
whatever you're going to do in the future.
It's really important.
You know, my daughter, she's, like I said, she's, uh, working, she,
she finished her psychology degree.
Um, She wishes that she took communications
because a lot of the things that I've learned, she really
wanted to learn more about.
And, and she ended up doing, um, right now she's working on her dancing degree.
But I told her, even though you didn't.
You don't want to further pursue your psychology degree.
You've learned so much from it.
And it's not just about psychology.
Again, it's about problem solving, working with others, critical
thinking, all those things you'll, that will keep with you forever.
And she also became interested in body language too, cause
she saw I was studying it.
And now she, she realizes that a lot of the things that she's learned
in psychology or what she studied about body language, she uses, she's
Um, as a dancing instructor, she, she sees if someone's uncomfortable
or if they want to ask a question.
So she does use those skills.
It's, it's not, of course, it's never gone to waste.
She has a psychology degree.
If she wants another job, she has that to back her, you know, um,
and, and I'm trying to get my son to understand those things too, even
in, he's in high school right now and I tell him, um, ask questions.
It's okay if you fail.
I think I tried to practice for a while.
I've seen a parent asking their child.
Oh, what did you fail at today?
To try to reflect on that.
It didn't last very long.
I did try to get him into it, but I wanted him to understand it is okay to fail.
You make mistakes, but if you make a mistake, you can also ask questions
until you, um, get help or find the answer that you're looking for.
And, uh, so I think you mentioned he's, um, he's, is he in college yet or not yet?
No, he's, he just started high school.
Oh, he just started high school.
Okay.
Yeah.
But what a wonderful conversations to be having with him at this time.
I have a recent high school graduate and two juniors right now, and I, I understand
the, um, challenge sometimes in getting them to talk about their day, especially
saying, you know, where did you,
I've learned that they don't write when they get out of school.
No, they're not going to talk about it, but.
As soon as it's time for somebody to go to bed.
Like if I want to go to bed, all of a sudden, there's a whole conversation.
I, I try to throw it in, you know, throughout the day though, um, when
we're listening to a song and the subject comes up or when we're watching TV,
I do try to make that those moments.
I don't know if it annoys him.
I mean, he engages in the conversation.
Yeah, he engages in the conversation.
So, I do try to make certain learning moments.
Or I'll let him tell me things, you know.
I'll let him talk sometimes.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I appreciate those times where they, you know, end up having to get together.
Stuck in the car with me.
I feel like that's sometimes when the wonderful stories come
out and I try to just listen.
Yes.
So fun.
Um, so I was curious, you know, now that you're a, um, recent graduate
and, you know, already starting to do some new things in your career.
Um, you know, thinking back on this, if you might have any advice for New students
that might just be embarking on this.
Um, if there's, uh, maybe in communication or not, if you feel like it might be
a value to students in other kinds of disciplines too, what might advice
would you have for students that may be new to the whole idea of a ePortfolio
or just taking time to think about how they might share who they are and what
their experiences are with other people?
I would say, uh, yeah, I have a lot of advice for this one.
We want to hear it.
Yeah, the first thing I would say is to schedule, like, time management.
Work on your time management skills.
Set goals for yourself.
And you, you know what?
Break, break them down.
Okay.
Today or at least this week.
I will get a paragraph done, or I will design this spot, you know, I, I
don't know, and one of the Digication, someone told us to work backwards kind
of, um, because I think the very first page was just introducing ourselves
and that's the easy part, so they were just telling us to work backwards and,
um, I would say also have fun with it, because like I said, that's what saved
me, is just being able to, uh, play with editing tools and, uh, photos and AI.
It was really fun for me.
I would say have, uh, Make friends, a friend that you can call or write to
and, uh, or even like on email to, to see how things are going and ask questions.
That would be the next uh, advice would be to ask questions because with
my last Digication, I had a mentor.
That, that's, that was the purpose of having the mentor to ask questions.
I went to her to, um, I think we had to go to the mentor at least three times.
So in the beginning to ask, how are we supposed to do this?
And then, or I think even, I was trying to figure out.
How to define the problem that I was working on, cause my Capstone
Digication, we had to figure out a communication problem.
And an organization that it connected to.
So I needed to define what I was working on.
And I, that's really important to understand where you're going
with it, you know, so that you can know how to set everything up.
Asking questions with the mentor, showing her, she, I showed her my work
the second time that I met with her.
And she said, okay, you look like you're on track.
And that helped out, that helped me feel better about the projects because you
know, there was positive feedback or even if it wasn't positive, at least she would
let me know what I needed to work on.
And then the last one, she was just like, Oh, you look like you're done.
And I was like, really?
Okay, I'm finished finally.
Yeah, I was like, okay, I'll enter it right now.
It sounds like I'm done.
I will enter it right now.
And, and understand that you're going to change your mind on a lot of things.
You, you, you, it's okay to just put it down, put all the work down first.
I think I, I looked at someone's Digication in the beginning stages
and they literally just pasted their stuff on and it was all over the place.
But they just wanted to get their idea down and then they organized
it later, just like they tell you to do when you're, uh, writing
an essay or a story or something.
Just get your ideas down and then edit it later.
That way you don't block yourself.
You just, you just let it all out.
So that, those would be the things.
That would be the advice that I would give.
Time management.
Ask questions.
Get a friend.
Have fun.
And I don't remember what was the last thing I said.
Oh, get it all out.
Don't be afraid to make a mess so I think we're, we put more pressure
on ourselves as students than the teachers do, and it's okay.
Just realize that it's okay.
I saw a, uh, college speech, a valedictorian, I don't
know how to say it properly.
I think you got it.
Valedictorian.
The way, what he said was, um, he worked so hard in school that he
realized that he missed out on a lot of things, like spending time
with family and things like that.
So I, I would say also create a balance for yourself.
Make time for yourself by yourself, make time for your friends, make time for
your family and make time for school.
So create a good balance so that you don't go crazy.
That is good advice.
Yeah, and we always in, uh, you know, just in terms of the kind of tools
and design and the platform, uh, speaking to some of the things that
you mentioned, we always try to make the tools, approachable in such a way
that you can start with something that is, um, kind of, uh, unfinal, right?
So that you can keep growing it and changing it and moving things around
if you need to, if you needed to move pages around or content from one
page to another that you can do that and even create different versions
of your ePortfolio along the way.
Yeah, depending on who you wanted to share it with and having those mentors
and friends around you is so important.
So being able to share it with other people and get advice.
And I was kind of curious with the mentor that you had, um, were they
another student at the school or was it someone that worked in some kind
of resource position at the school.
How did you get connected?
Lucky for me?
It happened to be my previous professor.
That was my training and development...
she had already saw my work before my previous education
and so she knew she is short.
But she's like I already know you got this.
It's okay It was perfect because I was already Uh, I already
knew her, so it was nice.
She made me feel comfortable.
Good.
Yes.
Fostering those relationships.
Yes.
You mentioned that earlier in the conversation, too.
Yes.
And the first Digication that we, that we did, it was more about ourselves.
Like I said, it was about the skills that we've acquired from
the degree, from the course.
And I think that was really important for us students to do because It
made us, um, one of my friends, she was like, um, Hey, they called
us, uh, a communication scholar.
Like, as if we weren't, we'd like, we needed somebody to tell us it so we could.
Recognize our accomplishments.
And doing that Digication also allowed us to recognize those accomplishments
and be like, okay, you know what?
I am capable.
Sometimes we might have imposter syndrome, you know, like, okay, even
though I'm learning this, it doesn't mean I'm an expert at it or that I know it.
And I understand we're always growing.
We're always learning.
The information, but the Digication helped me to realize that I
have fostered these skills.
Yes.
And, and now I can be proud to say that I actually have them.
Yeah.
Very validating.
Yeah.
Indeed.
Yeah.
Hard to, hard to deny that you're a scholar, that you see all of
that work and growth together.
Right?
Yeah.
Well, Whitney, thank you again for joining me today.
It was such a pleasure to talk to you and I still look forward to
sharing our conversation with others.
Thank you.
I enjoyed our conversation and it just makes me more excited about
learning more and, and sharing this information with others.
Wonderful.
I hope that you do.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
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