1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,759 Welcome to the Energetic Radio podcast. This episode is brought to you 2 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:09,440 by the school of play dotco, hosted by Dale Sibonham and 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,255 Paul Campbell. Each week, we'll bring to you tips, strategies, and ideas 4 00:00:13,255 --> 00:00:16,535 on how you can bring more joy and happiness into your life, and those you 5 00:00:16,535 --> 00:00:20,055 share with. Alright. Ladies and gentlemen, 6 00:00:20,055 --> 00:00:23,575 welcome back to the energetic radio, podcast 7 00:00:23,575 --> 00:00:27,300 hosted by the School of Play. I'm in the studio with the one 8 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:30,980 and only, Dale Sibbottom. Cambo, how are you, buddy? Very well. Thank 9 00:00:30,980 --> 00:00:34,280 you. And joining us today for episode 347, 10 00:00:35,860 --> 00:00:38,120 we are 3 off the big 350, 11 00:00:39,379 --> 00:00:43,135 is Conan Phillips. G'day, Conan. Good day. How are you going? Good, mate. How 12 00:00:43,135 --> 00:00:46,895 are you? Conan's first podcast. It is my 13 00:00:46,895 --> 00:00:50,415 first podcast. It's his first podcast. I'm a little bit nervous. That's alright. 14 00:00:50,415 --> 00:00:53,695 That's alright. Nerves are good. But we, got a little bit to unpack with Conan's 15 00:00:53,695 --> 00:00:57,530 name. We're super excited about having Conan in our studio, because he's 16 00:00:57,530 --> 00:01:01,210 just got a really cool life journey. We've connected. He's a local bloke, which we 17 00:01:01,210 --> 00:01:04,910 love. And just, you know, we had a chat earlier 18 00:01:04,970 --> 00:01:08,650 about how he's on a bit of a year of growth. And I 19 00:01:08,650 --> 00:01:11,150 just love that. I love that just normal Aussie blokes, 20 00:01:12,575 --> 00:01:16,415 sort of waking up and sort of going, you know what? Let's let's challenge myself. 21 00:01:16,415 --> 00:01:20,015 Let's have a year of growth and push the boundaries, learn new things about 22 00:01:20,015 --> 00:01:23,534 yourself, and see what comes out of it. And we just can't wait to unpack, 23 00:01:23,534 --> 00:01:27,190 you know, what you've taken from that list so far. I'm sure there's some 24 00:01:27,190 --> 00:01:31,030 candid tales and some some awesome stuff. But, yeah. Before we get 25 00:01:31,030 --> 00:01:34,570 going, we apologize we couldn't have you on for the 350th episode. Yeah. Good, mate. 26 00:01:35,270 --> 00:01:39,030 I'm not big enough gas. Well, we completely honest, we 27 00:01:39,030 --> 00:01:42,445 don't know what's in store for episode 350, but I'm sure it will be 28 00:01:42,445 --> 00:01:45,085 amazing whenever we put our mind to it, but that that one is coming. But, 29 00:01:45,564 --> 00:01:49,405 kick things off. So Conan, we crossed paths not too 30 00:01:49,405 --> 00:01:53,165 long ago through a sort of a mutual friend. And, yeah, 31 00:01:53,165 --> 00:01:57,009 the story was amazing. You know, you've gone from being a tradie. Yeah. You still 32 00:01:57,009 --> 00:02:00,689 are tradie, but then you've started a company and a business called the State of 33 00:02:00,689 --> 00:02:04,450 Nirvana. Correct. First and foremost, give me tell me about the name. 34 00:02:04,450 --> 00:02:08,229 What's so, like, Nirvana 35 00:02:08,610 --> 00:02:12,285 is like a term of, like, spiritual enlightenment. Yeah. And it's 36 00:02:12,285 --> 00:02:15,965 sort of something which I suppose is everyone is, 37 00:02:15,965 --> 00:02:18,785 like, chasing sort of so to speak. Yeah. 38 00:02:19,565 --> 00:02:23,405 And I liked like, I've listened to a lot of Alan Watts and, 39 00:02:23,405 --> 00:02:27,140 you know, a lot of philosophical sort of stuff. It comes 40 00:02:27,140 --> 00:02:30,739 up a lot in a lot of his talks and lectures, and I really 41 00:02:30,739 --> 00:02:34,519 liked, like, the state of Nirvana as in, like, 42 00:02:34,900 --> 00:02:38,739 it could possibly be somewhere that you go, and it can also be 43 00:02:38,739 --> 00:02:42,395 something that you'd like are chasing or trying to leave 44 00:02:42,395 --> 00:02:45,615 leave with. And, yeah, like, obviously 45 00:02:46,475 --> 00:02:50,095 yeah. I just I really liked it. I love Alan Watts. He's been probably 46 00:02:50,235 --> 00:02:53,995 one of the like, since school, like, probably the person I've listened to the 47 00:02:53,995 --> 00:02:57,670 most. And taken taken a lot from her. It's just an age old sort 48 00:02:57,970 --> 00:03:01,510 of beliefs, I suppose. Yeah. Cool. Growing up, did you love the band Nirvana? 49 00:03:01,810 --> 00:03:05,410 Yeah. I did actually. I think it was, like, my second ever album. Yeah. A 50 00:03:05,410 --> 00:03:09,165 100% the little babe in the front chased my daughter, love my teen spirit. Sued 51 00:03:09,165 --> 00:03:12,765 him. So Yeah. That's the guy who's the guy the baby that's 52 00:03:12,765 --> 00:03:16,525 swimming naked in a pool. Really. No way. He sued the band. I went 53 00:03:16,525 --> 00:03:19,645 to the phone. Went there and let you go. I was like, come, mate. Like, 54 00:03:19,645 --> 00:03:23,405 you're a baby. Yeah. You're a baby. I think your time 55 00:03:23,405 --> 00:03:27,150 is fast. I didn't know that. I love that random bit of knowledge. 56 00:03:27,150 --> 00:03:29,950 And so now I was thinking when you explained them that, I wonder if their 57 00:03:29,950 --> 00:03:33,549 band name was about chasing something or yeah. 58 00:03:33,549 --> 00:03:37,150 I'd say yeah, possibly. Yeah, wouldn't it mean, wouldn't it Kurt 59 00:03:37,150 --> 00:03:40,565 Cobain was free and wiled spirit, wasn't it? He was. Yeah, it's 60 00:03:40,565 --> 00:03:44,025 unreal. Tell us about when did 61 00:03:44,645 --> 00:03:48,165 that opportunity, the idea come across to go from being a 62 00:03:48,165 --> 00:03:51,420 tradie, you said before you love a beer, you know what I mean? Typical as 63 00:03:51,420 --> 00:03:55,180 your bloke become a tradie to to sort of chasing that Nirvana. When did that 64 00:03:55,180 --> 00:03:58,320 come about? Look. It was 65 00:03:59,420 --> 00:04:02,860 so 2 years ago or 18 months 66 00:04:02,860 --> 00:04:06,525 ago, I was like, as I said, I love a beer, and I 67 00:04:06,525 --> 00:04:10,365 was trying to stop drinking so much. 68 00:04:10,365 --> 00:04:13,725 And, it got to the point where I was like, I always found there was 69 00:04:13,725 --> 00:04:17,485 something on, you know, like, there's always, like, you know, someone's birthday, there's weddings, 70 00:04:17,485 --> 00:04:20,439 there's all these, you know, there was always so I was trying to do a 71 00:04:20,439 --> 00:04:24,039 month off the booze, and I just couldn't do it. So I was like, I'm 72 00:04:24,039 --> 00:04:27,020 gonna do a 100 days, you know. So it's sort of, 73 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,655 I'd geared it up to be, like, my, yeah, 74 00:04:31,875 --> 00:04:34,755 my birthday was gonna be the last time I had a drink, and I was 75 00:04:34,755 --> 00:04:37,655 like, I wanna I wanna have something to train for. And, 76 00:04:38,755 --> 00:04:42,595 yeah, sort of basically, I looked up and I couldn't find anything, and there was 77 00:04:42,595 --> 00:04:46,435 just like a winter swim, which was like across the heads of Port Phillip Bay. 78 00:04:46,435 --> 00:04:50,250 Yep. And, yeah. Anyway, I did a I ended 79 00:04:50,250 --> 00:04:53,930 up doing a 100 days off the booze and the whole time, like, 80 00:04:53,930 --> 00:04:57,610 training for this swim, I was, like, we're freezing, man. Like, no wet 81 00:04:57,610 --> 00:05:01,335 suit. Oh. And, like, there was only 47 people had done it 82 00:05:01,414 --> 00:05:05,255 it before. Like, and I hadn't swum since school. So Were you a good 83 00:05:05,255 --> 00:05:08,455 swimmer in school though? I was decent swimmer in school. But, like, I hadn't swum 84 00:05:08,455 --> 00:05:12,294 since I was 15 or 16. That's insane. So You didn't wanna do something 85 00:05:12,294 --> 00:05:15,895 maybe a little bit easier. I couldn't find anything. And I was like 86 00:05:15,974 --> 00:05:19,550 because I was sort of typing stuff in, like, the algorithms are like pushing all 87 00:05:19,550 --> 00:05:22,110 these. And I was like, oh, here's this swim, you know. I'm like, oh, I 88 00:05:22,110 --> 00:05:25,389 used to swim. I was like, I'll do this. And when I started it, like, 89 00:05:25,389 --> 00:05:29,150 my birthday is March. So I was like, the water's warm, you know, like, the 90 00:05:29,150 --> 00:05:32,605 sun's out summer. So I was like, this would be sick, you know. 91 00:05:32,925 --> 00:05:36,365 And yeah. It had to do. It got harder and 92 00:05:36,365 --> 00:05:39,745 harder. I could imagine. How far is the swim? 93 00:05:39,885 --> 00:05:43,645 3.4 kilometers. Sheepers in open water. And it's like the 94 00:05:43,645 --> 00:05:47,460 most challenging channel of water in Australia. So and I 95 00:05:47,460 --> 00:05:51,140 didn't have anyone to ask or anything. But, like, that this is the thing. 96 00:05:51,140 --> 00:05:54,900 Right? So I just thought I'd go for this. And then I 97 00:05:54,900 --> 00:05:58,660 thought the hard part would be I literally thought the hard part would be staying 98 00:05:58,660 --> 00:06:02,315 off the beers. Right. I didn't think that that would be hard. Like, I 99 00:06:02,315 --> 00:06:06,075 don't know why. Anyway, all my mates on I told them my mates on 100 00:06:06,075 --> 00:06:09,915 the birthday, I was like, yeah. Look, you know, I'm off the beers for a 101 00:06:09,915 --> 00:06:12,075 while. This is gonna be the last time. And they're like, what what are you 102 00:06:12,075 --> 00:06:14,475 doing? And I was like, oh, I just wanna chime in and do this swim 103 00:06:14,475 --> 00:06:18,080 across. And they're like, what's what? You know, are you serious? I was like, yeah. 104 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,520 I wanna have a cracker. And he's like, do you know and anyway, I hadn't 105 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,360 looked in it. I just like to jump into stuff. Yeah. He's just like, jumped 106 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,060 jumped on the website. He goes, mate, there's 47 people that have done this before. 107 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,475 And, yeah. Anyway, it's sort of I was obviously, my 108 00:06:33,475 --> 00:06:36,275 last day on the beers. I was getting in. I was like, mate, not only 109 00:06:36,275 --> 00:06:39,635 this, I'm gonna do it in under 90 minutes and all this sort of sitting 110 00:06:39,635 --> 00:06:43,075 inside chat. I was really just, like, giving it time and 111 00:06:43,075 --> 00:06:46,810 then everyone there bet against me. Not one friend said I 112 00:06:46,810 --> 00:06:50,650 could do it. Oh. And I was like yeah. Anyway Did 113 00:06:50,650 --> 00:06:54,490 you prove them wrong? Yeah. I did it under 60 minutes. Oh. I 114 00:06:54,490 --> 00:06:58,030 know. On 3rd. Did you really? At a 21 115 00:06:58,169 --> 00:07:01,875 or 24. 20. 20 or something. Yeah. So it was anyway, the 116 00:07:01,875 --> 00:07:05,155 whole time of that swim, like, we were just shivering and I was like, oh, 117 00:07:05,155 --> 00:07:08,915 we need a sauna. We need a sauna. And then, yeah, that 118 00:07:08,915 --> 00:07:12,514 was sort of like that I suppose to segue into 119 00:07:12,514 --> 00:07:16,280 it. And then I come back from, like, when I finished the 120 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,560 swim. I went over to Bali to celebrate. And then, 121 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,520 I come back and I was like, oh, I think I'm gonna do a breath 122 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,200 work course. And, my girlfriend at the time 123 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,944 was just like, what? Like, oh, okay. Like, you know, go for 124 00:07:29,944 --> 00:07:33,625 it. So I, had like 10 days 125 00:07:33,625 --> 00:07:36,664 to study for this thing and I just I obviously I was just like, listen, 126 00:07:36,664 --> 00:07:40,025 mate. I don't have the time to do this. So, he's just like, look. Just 127 00:07:40,025 --> 00:07:43,600 come. I sort of learn better hands on, like, you know. And he's 128 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,440 like, okay. So I drove to the snowy mountains and, 129 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,919 did did a, like, 5 I think it's 5 days 130 00:07:51,919 --> 00:07:55,120 or 4 day breath work course up in the snowy mountains. And, 131 00:07:55,885 --> 00:07:59,725 I was driving home and I drove past the horse float and I was 132 00:07:59,725 --> 00:08:03,325 like, that's a fucking sauna. And, I 133 00:08:03,325 --> 00:08:07,085 went Always gets better and better. Always gets home that night and 134 00:08:07,085 --> 00:08:10,500 then looked on Gumtree and I bought one for 135 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:14,180 $4. Yeah. And, well, I paid the deposit and 136 00:08:14,180 --> 00:08:17,639 then yeah. Basically, I'll I'll show you the photos 137 00:08:17,780 --> 00:08:21,300 after. Like, mate, if it's I've seen it. It's kinda No. No. 138 00:08:21,300 --> 00:08:24,885 Before Not before here. It's like it's almost been almost 12 139 00:08:24,885 --> 00:08:28,485 months since I bought it. Yeah. And, it was a heap of shit like we 140 00:08:28,485 --> 00:08:31,125 had to do. So I just asked a few mates and yeah. So it was 141 00:08:31,125 --> 00:08:34,645 just like, that's a fucking sauna. And then it was just like, yeah. 142 00:08:34,645 --> 00:08:38,440 Okay. So breath work, sauna, ice baths. And that's Talk about a 143 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,960 fork in the road moment. Like, it has that in light light bulb. There's so 144 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,320 many forks. I'm gonna go from getting off the beers for a month Yeah. To 145 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,360 a 100 days to swimming around light bulb moment out in the middle of the 146 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,175 Arctic Ocean going, yep. But but it was it was like literally 147 00:08:52,175 --> 00:08:55,635 one of those things where it's like every time I've 148 00:08:56,335 --> 00:08:59,935 sort of challenged myself or jumped out of my comfort zone, something's 149 00:08:59,935 --> 00:09:03,075 good has come from, you know, and it's light. 150 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,360 It's been similar way with, like, traveling. It's been like, you know, 151 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,959 like, I've traveled a lot by myself. So it's like, one of my mates used 152 00:09:10,959 --> 00:09:14,480 to like, one of my best mates, he's actually said he just goes, I've never, 153 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,320 like, chain like, you know, gone through a change and had it 154 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,905 not be, you know, better afterwards, you know. And it's like 155 00:09:22,365 --> 00:09:25,725 yeah. And then yeah. I do. I like to change. I like to mix things 156 00:09:25,725 --> 00:09:29,405 up and Well done. Has that has it has your mates 157 00:09:29,405 --> 00:09:32,445 come along for the ride? So obviously, I can I'm just picturing you and your 158 00:09:32,445 --> 00:09:36,000 mates sitting in the bar having a having a frothy, and, and you throwing that 159 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,800 out. My mates would be the same. My mates would go, what then? Give me 160 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,600 a super and and not not back me in either, I reckon. Have they 161 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,600 have any of them come along for the ride? Have have you shifted the mindset 162 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,360 of some of your mates Yeah. Since this journey? Yeah. They yeah. A a few 163 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,825 have. Like, obvious like, I was probably the 164 00:09:52,825 --> 00:09:56,425 worst out of the group too. So when it was Go party 165 00:09:56,425 --> 00:10:00,185 time? Yeah. Like, I do not say no to a good time. Like, I'm 166 00:10:00,185 --> 00:10:04,025 normally the first out of last leave. So it was it was a, like 167 00:10:04,185 --> 00:10:07,880 and that's when I feel like some some friends, like, the ones you had 168 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,420 those deep conversations with, they were like, mate, you know, like, this is 169 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,720 inspirational. It's like, they're not like it's just you don't 170 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,080 think about it at the time because it's just like, I just need to do 171 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,575 this for me, you know. And it it yeah. Like, a few of them sort 172 00:10:22,575 --> 00:10:25,775 of say that, and it's like, it's good. Like, some of them stop smoking. Some 173 00:10:25,775 --> 00:10:28,575 of them like, well, if you you know, and we're all getting to that age 174 00:10:28,575 --> 00:10:32,415 where, like, we're not invincible anymore either. So it's 175 00:10:32,415 --> 00:10:36,240 sort of I feel like this space is starting 176 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,080 to grow, like, I'm obviously starting to explore into it as well. And 177 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,920 it's just it's a fun time. So like and then, you know, you're watching 178 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,600 your mate sort of challenges themselves as well. And a lot of them are like, 179 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,315 I don't wanna I'll never jump in an ice bath, you know. And then the 180 00:10:51,315 --> 00:10:55,155 day I had the launch, yeah. Like, they they all jumped in 181 00:10:55,155 --> 00:10:58,675 and it was it was really good. The man to my right 182 00:10:58,675 --> 00:11:02,230 loves loves an ice bath. Yeah. I don't know. I'm gonna be freely honest, man. 183 00:11:02,230 --> 00:11:05,670 I'm happy you bet you're sore now. Yeah. The horse float sounds amazing, but at 184 00:11:05,670 --> 00:11:09,510 Nice Bath just, don't know. There's something about it that just doesn't agree 185 00:11:09,510 --> 00:11:12,710 with me. I think playing footy And have you? Yes. I have. I think playing 186 00:11:12,710 --> 00:11:15,975 footy back in the day and being forced to do it, like, I despised it. 187 00:11:15,975 --> 00:11:19,735 Like, particularly in Mansfield, I remember this one day, Mansfield cold. There's 188 00:11:19,735 --> 00:11:23,335 cold showers because no hot water after playing seniors, and then you have to get 189 00:11:23,335 --> 00:11:27,175 in an ice bath. They're eagerly snowing. Yeah. I 190 00:11:27,175 --> 00:11:30,670 didn't enjoy it. But apparently, it's good for you. It's yeah. It's very good for 191 00:11:30,670 --> 00:11:34,430 you. Yeah. What's more beneficial? The the ice bath or the sauna? The sauna. Tis 192 00:11:34,430 --> 00:11:38,110 it? I think I like the 193 00:11:38,110 --> 00:11:41,870 challenge. I'd I'd say, like, the sauna's relaxing as well. Like, it's so 194 00:11:41,870 --> 00:11:45,605 nice and it does. It can't it just calms you down. It's like 195 00:11:46,305 --> 00:11:49,585 I I love the ice bath. Like, I start with an ice bath and finish 196 00:11:49,585 --> 00:11:52,965 with an ice bath. Right. So Oh, you finish with the ice bath? Cold. 197 00:11:53,265 --> 00:11:56,065 Jeepers. I don't know if I could I'd I'd be happy to start with the 198 00:11:56,065 --> 00:11:58,910 ice bath and then finish with the sauna. I reckon, but I've never tried that. 199 00:11:58,910 --> 00:12:02,510 And I've never done the hot cold. Come down the ice bath? Yeah. I know. 200 00:12:02,510 --> 00:12:05,510 Well, if not on a Friday, we can have a beer. Yeah. Yeah. I like 201 00:12:05,510 --> 00:12:09,230 it. I like that. That's that's everything. Like, before you did that that, like, the 202 00:12:09,230 --> 00:12:13,045 100 days straight without alcohol, were were you into this already? Like, you know, you 203 00:12:13,045 --> 00:12:16,645 said you did breath work, but then you're into like your saunas and your ice 204 00:12:16,645 --> 00:12:20,085 bath. Yeah. Are you sort of dabbling a bit? Yeah. So I have my I 205 00:12:20,085 --> 00:12:21,945 lived in Thailand in 2016 206 00:12:23,765 --> 00:12:27,610 or 17. And like, I lived with I'd when I did, like, 207 00:12:27,610 --> 00:12:30,750 sort of 10 weeks of, like, a Muay Thai camp. And, 208 00:12:31,930 --> 00:12:35,770 so, like, I was living with couple of professional fighters. So we would 209 00:12:35,770 --> 00:12:39,445 go, like and it was, like, a really cool experience because you you're 210 00:12:39,445 --> 00:12:42,904 watching, like and as my my background of a massive boozer, 211 00:12:43,285 --> 00:12:46,964 like, I just changed everything. And, you know, like, I wasn't drinking. I was sort 212 00:12:46,964 --> 00:12:50,805 of gone. And then, like, you're just watching them recover. And that was the first 213 00:12:50,805 --> 00:12:54,325 time I'd seen, like, an ice bath. And over there, it was, 214 00:12:54,325 --> 00:12:58,010 like, the box of ice were, like, massive, you know. So, like, 215 00:12:58,010 --> 00:13:01,850 you're sitting in there and, like, there's this huge box and it's, like, 216 00:13:01,850 --> 00:13:04,570 you know, it's like a hot tub and you you just, you know, it was 217 00:13:04,570 --> 00:13:08,250 it was awesome. But, like, it was only probably about 3 or 4 months 218 00:13:08,250 --> 00:13:11,635 ago that a memory popped up that I was, like, fuck. That's where it was. 219 00:13:11,635 --> 00:13:14,535 You know, like, that was my first one. That was the case. So that was 220 00:13:14,915 --> 00:13:18,615 2017. I didn't do any more, 221 00:13:18,755 --> 00:13:22,595 like, you know, after that. Then when, like, 2020 happened 222 00:13:22,595 --> 00:13:26,310 and the world shut down, I was living in St Kilda and, like, 223 00:13:26,310 --> 00:13:29,670 I just started I think I started watching Wim Hof on YouTube and, 224 00:13:29,670 --> 00:13:33,350 like, just started going across to the bay and doing the cold 225 00:13:33,350 --> 00:13:37,190 water. And I found that that was sort of helping me somewhat 226 00:13:37,190 --> 00:13:40,365 deal with the what was going on in the water. And, 227 00:13:41,005 --> 00:13:43,985 and, yeah, like, that was probably me and a mate, 228 00:13:44,845 --> 00:13:48,445 who's also, like, from Karen, but, like, we were doing it. And then I think 229 00:13:48,445 --> 00:13:52,125 we did, like I think it was, like, 90 or, like, you know, 230 00:13:52,125 --> 00:13:55,565 almost a 100 days in a row, and, like, that was during all the lockdowns 231 00:13:55,565 --> 00:13:59,370 and stuff and that it was helping us get through, you know. So, 232 00:13:59,370 --> 00:14:03,210 like, that was when, like, the mental side of it really, like Come 233 00:14:03,210 --> 00:14:06,490 through. Yeah. I'm through. And it was, like, I noticed the difference today I'd like, 234 00:14:06,490 --> 00:14:09,610 the days I weren't doing it. So I sort of on off on off, and 235 00:14:09,610 --> 00:14:12,745 then it was, like, I'm gonna try and see how long I can go with 236 00:14:12,745 --> 00:14:15,805 this. And then, again, it was like the middle of winter and, 237 00:14:16,825 --> 00:14:20,265 I noticed, like and then we stopped and, like, I was just like, mate, I 238 00:14:20,265 --> 00:14:24,105 can't keep doing this, you know, like, and then, yeah, sort 239 00:14:24,105 --> 00:14:27,649 of stopped and then you fell back into a rut. And I was like, geez, 240 00:14:27,649 --> 00:14:31,250 I'm really missing this, you know. It's amazing when you notice the 241 00:14:31,250 --> 00:14:34,769 feeling in it, the feeling you get from you, if you, if you're noticing it. 242 00:14:34,769 --> 00:14:38,449 And that was the thing. It was sort of like almost almost 243 00:14:38,449 --> 00:14:41,675 like a healthy sort of addiction, you know, but it was like I didn't wanna 244 00:14:41,675 --> 00:14:45,515 miss it, but, like, it was noticeable how my mood was 245 00:14:45,515 --> 00:14:49,195 if I didn't do it. And I'd be like, I'd almost feel guilty or 246 00:14:49,195 --> 00:14:52,795 like filthy at myself if I didn't if I couldn't be bothered doing it. Yeah. 247 00:14:52,795 --> 00:14:56,530 Right. Have you noticed, is there a trend in our 248 00:14:56,530 --> 00:15:00,370 local area? Is there a trend going up of people using these sorts 249 00:15:00,370 --> 00:15:04,130 of, you know, mental health techniques on therapy. Is it is it on the 250 00:15:04,130 --> 00:15:07,810 incline? Is it Yeah. I think so. Like, it's when we did the the 251 00:15:07,810 --> 00:15:11,334 breath work course, he sort of said it was 252 00:15:11,334 --> 00:15:15,095 like, you know, at the peak before, like and this could have been a sales 253 00:15:15,095 --> 00:15:18,935 thing as well, but it was like it's like the peak before it sort of 254 00:15:18,935 --> 00:15:22,774 goes up. And, like, you look at social media and everyone seems to 255 00:15:22,774 --> 00:15:25,639 be doing it, you know, and it's sort of Right. And I and I I 256 00:15:25,639 --> 00:15:29,399 think that, like yeah. I think that it 257 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:33,180 is moving towards that. Like, a lot of people our age are just getting, like, 258 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:36,839 trying to get more healthy and trying to, like, listen to your body more as 259 00:15:36,839 --> 00:15:40,325 opposed to just popping pills to do all this stuff. We're trying to 260 00:15:40,325 --> 00:15:43,285 eliminate the last 20 years of how we lived our life Yeah. Exactly. Right? So 261 00:15:43,285 --> 00:15:46,485 you're you're trying to miss the wounds a bit. You look but you look at, 262 00:15:46,485 --> 00:15:50,325 like, the younger generation and they're so body aware and Yeah. You 263 00:15:50,325 --> 00:15:54,160 know, mental health and because I suppose they'll they're brought up understanding 264 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,280 that. Yeah. And nothing against when we were brought up, but it wasn't a thing. 265 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,120 No. We didn't understand these things, and so they weren't front of mind. Whereas now, 266 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,480 I think we're sort of trying to play catch up for the non education we 267 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,760 had. Yeah. And I've some people are looking, and that's why there's so many different 268 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,145 options. Yeah. So I suppose one of the things that's stated in mind is, like, 269 00:16:11,145 --> 00:16:14,985 creating a community as well. Is that sort of one of the big aspects around 270 00:16:14,985 --> 00:16:18,745 it? Yeah. It it is like an like, I'm lucky at the moment 271 00:16:18,745 --> 00:16:22,520 where I'm not needing it to be profitable. Like, I'm as I 272 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,560 said, I've still got my my job. So it's like, at the moment, I just 273 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,320 wanna build, like, one, the awareness, try and get try to make it fun, 274 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,160 like, so and that's Love that. That's the thing. It's like, it one of 275 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,795 one of the girls that come down, like, I didn't know it's just someone that 276 00:16:36,795 --> 00:16:40,475 she'd seen on social media. And, like, at the start, I was like, I have 277 00:16:40,475 --> 00:16:42,954 to be this. I have to be this. And I sort of got a bit, 278 00:16:44,475 --> 00:16:48,075 a bit sort of, like, just a bit of imposter syndrome where you sort of 279 00:16:48,075 --> 00:16:51,449 like, who am I to be doing this? And it was like, she come down 280 00:16:51,449 --> 00:16:54,250 and was like, oh, this this isn't not what I was sort of thinking. I 281 00:16:54,250 --> 00:16:57,130 was like, oh, sorry. Like I said and she goes, no. In a good way. 282 00:16:57,130 --> 00:17:00,750 Like, she goes, this is fun. Like, she goes, like, we've been to the recovery 283 00:17:00,810 --> 00:17:04,375 centers and, like, I was like, this is not that. She goes, no. I can 284 00:17:04,375 --> 00:17:07,815 see that. Like, you know, like That's good. Yeah. And it's not 285 00:17:07,815 --> 00:17:11,575 franchise. And it's like, I wanna play to my strengths on that because it 286 00:17:11,575 --> 00:17:15,095 is. It's supposed to be fun. Like, you know, you want that encouragement of, 287 00:17:15,095 --> 00:17:18,869 like, like, getting out of your comfort zone is tough, you know. Like, 288 00:17:18,869 --> 00:17:22,710 and for some people, like, who've never done one, like, never done 289 00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:26,230 an ice bath before, it is, like, mate, it's 290 00:17:26,230 --> 00:17:29,925 daunting. Like, it is like, I could never do this. But 291 00:17:30,005 --> 00:17:33,205 it's really cool to be able to see, like and then you you get the 292 00:17:33,205 --> 00:17:36,965 regulars that come down and they're bringing friends and they're encouraging their 293 00:17:36,965 --> 00:17:40,645 own friends to do it. And it's like, it's pretty special to watch 294 00:17:40,645 --> 00:17:43,700 someone like conquer, you know, like, a lot of them are like, I'll never do 295 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:46,659 it, you know, they've seen it 5 years and in 5 years of not wanting 296 00:17:46,659 --> 00:17:48,980 to do it. And then all of a sudden they do it and they're like, 297 00:17:48,980 --> 00:17:51,940 they get out and they're jacked and they're like, you know, they're like, oh, that 298 00:17:51,940 --> 00:17:55,700 wasn't so bad. And it's like, it's so self limiting beliefs, I 299 00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:59,485 suppose, that everyone puts on themselves. Yep. But when they 300 00:17:59,485 --> 00:18:02,765 crush that, it's like, well, what else what else can you do? And it when 301 00:18:02,765 --> 00:18:06,525 you've got a bunch of people like that coming together, it's 302 00:18:06,525 --> 00:18:10,205 really nice. So, yeah, it is it's probably one of the bigger 303 00:18:10,205 --> 00:18:14,021 things I'm trying to Hundred percent. Rewarding for you as well. Oh, mate. It's 304 00:18:14,021 --> 00:18:17,410 the best. Yeah. You can just tell the way you spoke about it and lit 305 00:18:17,410 --> 00:18:20,800 up. Like, it's something you don't realize how much you need to be able to 306 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,189 allow that situation where people would be able to grow like that. Well, I've I've 307 00:18:24,189 --> 00:18:27,965 never had that either. Like, I've I've been very lucky, like, I worked for 308 00:18:28,265 --> 00:18:31,945 a couple of guys who've been very, like, good to me over the years, but 309 00:18:31,945 --> 00:18:35,545 it's, like, I've never had that satisfaction in my work, you know, like, 310 00:18:35,545 --> 00:18:39,330 it's always been, like like, I've used it to 311 00:18:39,330 --> 00:18:43,170 fund my traveling and all that sort of stuff and, like, that's the sort of 312 00:18:43,170 --> 00:18:46,850 thing. This is like, you know, it's it's made to a tee. Like, I love 313 00:18:46,850 --> 00:18:50,230 it. This is your passion. Right? Well, it is. And it and it's fun because 314 00:18:50,545 --> 00:18:54,385 you're watching someone, like, conquer their fears and and then they 315 00:18:54,385 --> 00:18:58,145 get to relax in the sauna after as well. And I imagine going back to 316 00:18:58,145 --> 00:19:01,665 your sense of community, I imagine I've never been to one, but I 317 00:19:01,665 --> 00:19:05,340 imagine the conversations that take place within the walls of your 318 00:19:05,340 --> 00:19:08,960 horse float sauna. I'd imagine there'd be some pretty 319 00:19:09,260 --> 00:19:12,540 I'd imagine these get deep, right, it'd be a bit different. It is. It's like 320 00:19:12,700 --> 00:19:16,300 and this the sauna combos hit different because it's 321 00:19:16,300 --> 00:19:19,775 like the door shuts and it is. It's like that, I don't know. It's like 322 00:19:19,775 --> 00:19:23,615 that is like that safe space sort of thing, but it's yeah. It's 323 00:19:23,615 --> 00:19:27,455 it's cool. Like Yeah. Do you find is there is there randoms coming down 324 00:19:27,455 --> 00:19:30,255 and sauna ing together or is it generally group of mates that booking together? How 325 00:19:30,255 --> 00:19:33,860 does that sort of look alike? So it's it's 326 00:19:33,860 --> 00:19:37,620 different. Like, sometimes you'll get, like, one one person to come down. 327 00:19:37,620 --> 00:19:41,460 Like, to be honest, like, I'd say 70% of the people that 328 00:19:41,460 --> 00:19:45,059 come down are female, which Okay. I thought was not 329 00:19:45,059 --> 00:19:48,735 not strange but it shocked me because I was like, I just sort of 330 00:19:48,735 --> 00:19:52,575 thought all the guys, you know, that macho sort of energy but it's 331 00:19:52,575 --> 00:19:56,415 not, it's the girls that are probably and and which is really nice again 332 00:19:56,415 --> 00:20:00,210 because like they feel uncomfortable enough to to come down and 333 00:20:00,210 --> 00:20:03,890 and do it. But it's like yeah. It's interesting. 334 00:20:03,890 --> 00:20:07,170 And let's be honest, especially after you see your wife give birth and have kids, 335 00:20:07,170 --> 00:20:10,210 women are braver than men anyway. Right? So there's more women jumping the ice baths 336 00:20:10,210 --> 00:20:13,985 than there are men. At the Maudie Sead Dippers you're associated with, there's more 337 00:20:13,985 --> 00:20:16,945 women down there than men, that's for sure. So I think there's more braver women 338 00:20:16,945 --> 00:20:19,825 than there are there are men out there, that's for sure. But I understand. Maybe 339 00:20:19,825 --> 00:20:23,520 the girls are onto something too because it's like yeah. The mental side is 340 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,520 Yeah. But they do live longer than us, don't they? That's for sure. So that's 341 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,280 for sure. Harder, that's why. You, something that something grabbed my attention. You've, 342 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,200 you've nipped over to Finland. Finland Yes. Lately? The happiest country in the 343 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,665 world? Yeah. How'd that go? Tell us a bit about that. What was the purpose 344 00:20:37,665 --> 00:20:40,625 of that and and what went on there? What's your life? Well, the purpose I 345 00:20:40,625 --> 00:20:43,605 was I've actually flew over for a mate's wedding, 346 00:20:45,105 --> 00:20:48,945 somewhere else. And I was just like, went via Europe so that I could go 347 00:20:48,945 --> 00:20:52,370 to Finland and Okay. Yeah. Learn about the saunas or the 348 00:20:52,370 --> 00:20:55,970 saunas as they say The saunas. As they are Saunas. As they say it. 349 00:20:56,770 --> 00:21:00,210 And, yeah, it was it was amazing. Like, it's the first time I've 350 00:21:00,210 --> 00:21:03,825 traveled to a place to study, you know, 351 00:21:03,825 --> 00:21:07,425 like and, you know, I just hired a camper van 352 00:21:07,425 --> 00:21:10,645 and drove, like, drove round for 353 00:21:10,865 --> 00:21:13,765 yeah. I think it's a bit over a week and 354 00:21:14,385 --> 00:21:17,610 was going to, like, 15 saunas a day. And 355 00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:21,850 15 a day. Yeah. It was yeah. We got this whole tunnel. It was hectic, 356 00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:24,390 mate. It was They come out like a little bit of dried prunes. Yeah. It 357 00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:28,070 was exactly like that. They come out like a walnut. But it was it was, 358 00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:31,715 like, it was it was amazing because yeah. You obviously 359 00:21:32,415 --> 00:21:35,775 I'd I hadn't been there before either. So and it was all like, it was 360 00:21:35,775 --> 00:21:39,615 autumn. All the leaves were amazing and it was just you know, it was 361 00:21:39,615 --> 00:21:43,295 pretty cool. Like, I went I'd sort of penciled in, a 362 00:21:43,295 --> 00:21:46,710 few different places that I'd wanted to go. Went to the oldest one in 363 00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:50,789 Helsinki, and then a place called the 364 00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:54,250 language is so hard to say. It's like, give it a go. Tam Tampere. 365 00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:58,330 Tampere. We're not gonna judge that. Tampere. Tampere. 366 00:21:59,270 --> 00:22:03,085 English. And, yeah, it was like just a 367 00:22:03,085 --> 00:22:06,845 different experience, you know, like, you go into, like, my first time going 368 00:22:06,845 --> 00:22:10,545 in Starkers and, like, you'd sit there Oh, they go nude, like, in Japan onsen. 369 00:22:10,605 --> 00:22:14,365 Some of some of them. Yeah. So, like, the old the, like, 370 00:22:14,365 --> 00:22:17,965 the old sort of the olden day ones where I think the one that is, 371 00:22:17,965 --> 00:22:21,780 like, 19 12 or something was opened, and it's like, yeah, 372 00:22:21,780 --> 00:22:25,620 you go in there and it's like all these stone and, like yeah. It's just 373 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:29,380 and it looks old at like, it looks like it's from that age. And you 374 00:22:29,380 --> 00:22:32,420 go in there and it was like and the guy's like, this one's no clothing. 375 00:22:32,420 --> 00:22:36,175 I was like, alright. This is this is my first sort of time 376 00:22:36,175 --> 00:22:39,615 in this in this Not in Tulsa. You can't argue with that. 377 00:22:39,615 --> 00:22:43,055 Exactly. The dudes, you know. So you're sort of just sitting there and just 378 00:22:43,055 --> 00:22:46,435 going, alright. Like, what am I in for? You know, that's awesome. 379 00:22:47,490 --> 00:22:50,370 So nudity is one thing that surprised you. Is there anything else that surprised the 380 00:22:50,370 --> 00:22:54,130 way they go about things over there? Yeah. They nearly everyone had 381 00:22:54,130 --> 00:22:57,730 a fridge inside the front door. So you'd walk in, not in the actual 382 00:22:57,730 --> 00:23:00,850 sauna, but in like the lobby. And you'd walk in, they'd have like a big 383 00:23:00,850 --> 00:23:04,465 sort of chest fridge and people would be bringing their own beers, 384 00:23:04,684 --> 00:23:08,445 drop they'll drop a 6 pack in and then just sort of, like, then 385 00:23:08,445 --> 00:23:12,144 they go in, have a sauna, come back out and, 386 00:23:12,524 --> 00:23:16,270 like, then grab a beer and then go and sit outside and cool down. And 387 00:23:16,270 --> 00:23:20,110 everyone's like like, I posted something on the Instagram. It was like, everyone's sitting 388 00:23:20,110 --> 00:23:23,710 out there in their white towel and, like, just having 389 00:23:23,710 --> 00:23:27,550 beers and, like, you know, someone having ciggies and It goes against everything that 390 00:23:27,550 --> 00:23:30,190 we thought you're supposed to do at this point, doesn't it? No. I know. I 391 00:23:30,190 --> 00:23:33,735 had worn that down at Park Recreation Center. You know what? You'll 392 00:23:33,735 --> 00:23:37,575 probably see it in Frankston. Will we see it at the state 393 00:23:37,575 --> 00:23:41,275 of Nirvana? Yeah. Well, the place where it is, is licensed. 394 00:23:41,815 --> 00:23:45,410 Oh, I like it. I think, Friday night, like Friday 395 00:23:45,410 --> 00:23:49,010 night, maybe finish style or something. Finish Friday nights. It's 396 00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:52,770 also That works. Finish Fridays. Finish Fridays. You know? Finish the 397 00:23:52,770 --> 00:23:56,370 work the work week as well. So Oh, man. Oh, mate. You've just you've just 398 00:23:56,370 --> 00:24:00,185 created gold there. Finish Fridays. Finish the week of work. Finish 399 00:24:00,185 --> 00:24:03,785 the week of work. Yeah. Keep connecting with people in the bloody swan. And it's 400 00:24:03,785 --> 00:24:07,625 it's like you can't help but not be relaxed. Yeah. You know, when 401 00:24:07,625 --> 00:24:11,165 you, like, you finish the week off, like, it's coming into summer, 402 00:24:11,545 --> 00:24:15,120 like, it's not far for, like, 50 meters from the beach and you sort of, 403 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,720 you're watching the sunset and just have a beer while watching your mate in a 404 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,400 hot spot. Fuck. That is epic. Yeah. I could think of worse worse things to 405 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,680 do on a fire. Out. Sadly, we're gonna have to get ourselves down there. Yeah. 406 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,975 No. I love that. Especially with holiday. Do you look back and think about what 407 00:24:28,975 --> 00:24:32,495 you've created or the person that you were before? Do you know what I mean? 408 00:24:32,495 --> 00:24:35,935 Like you're looking for something, but you sort of dabbled in it a bit, but 409 00:24:35,935 --> 00:24:39,695 you didn't realize. What do you look back from obviously doing that crazy swim 410 00:24:39,695 --> 00:24:42,870 and a 100 days off the pierces, and then everything you've done now Conan, what 411 00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:46,230 are you most sort of proud of that you've achieved? This this 412 00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:49,910 swim. Like, it was oh, I said from the start 413 00:24:49,910 --> 00:24:53,750 like and I knew it would change my life. Like I knew it, I'd 414 00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:57,495 set it and it like I got influenza a and 415 00:24:57,495 --> 00:25:01,095 b leading up to the swim. I couldn't train for the last, like, I think 416 00:25:01,095 --> 00:25:04,375 2 out of the last 4 weeks. I thought it was gone, and it was, 417 00:25:04,375 --> 00:25:08,135 like, out of my control. And, yeah, like, I I they pulled me 418 00:25:08,135 --> 00:25:11,940 into the, they pulled me into the, like, the 419 00:25:11,940 --> 00:25:15,700 office of the Brighton Seabass because I was, like, my temperature dropped 420 00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:19,380 down to, like, 32 or 33 degrees. Like, I was Wow. I 421 00:25:19,380 --> 00:25:23,160 was bad. And, and this was, like, 3 weeks out from 422 00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:26,914 the swim, and I was just, like, I remember I walked back 423 00:25:27,775 --> 00:25:31,535 into, like, the kitchen after, like, my first swim back, and I 424 00:25:31,535 --> 00:25:35,054 was just, like, like, leading up to it, I was just I just burst out 425 00:25:35,054 --> 00:25:38,815 crying, and I was, like, it's back on. Like, it's back. 426 00:25:38,815 --> 00:25:42,610 This is back on. And the doctors told me I have to, like, not do 427 00:25:42,610 --> 00:25:44,690 it. Like, they're just like, I think you're just gonna have to give it a 428 00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:48,450 miss. You're not gonna have the time. And, yeah. Like, I knew that 429 00:25:48,450 --> 00:25:52,210 it was gonna change everything for us. I didn't realize what would 430 00:25:52,210 --> 00:25:55,935 happen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize that, you know, I'd come back 431 00:25:55,935 --> 00:25:59,455 from Bali and wanna do a breath work. Like, I just but it was just 432 00:25:59,455 --> 00:26:03,295 like one thing led to another and it was like, I've always liked pushing 433 00:26:03,295 --> 00:26:07,135 my comfort zone and but not in the good ways either. You 434 00:26:07,135 --> 00:26:10,960 know? Like, so that, yeah, I think was just like 435 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,480 a big pivotal sort of moment where it was like and your mind 436 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,940 changes too, like a 100 days of, like, clarity. Like, 437 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,294 it's yeah. Like, I wrote I wrote, like, a letter to myself, you know, at 438 00:26:22,294 --> 00:26:24,535 the 100 days. I was like, if ever I go back to the way I 439 00:26:24,535 --> 00:26:27,975 was, I'll give it up for good. And I wasn't an alcoholic, but it was 440 00:26:27,975 --> 00:26:31,655 just I felt so good after this a 100 days that it 441 00:26:31,655 --> 00:26:35,335 was like, you know, I don't wanna ever give this up 442 00:26:35,335 --> 00:26:39,009 again, you know. So Have you gone have you how you going? Oh, 443 00:26:39,009 --> 00:26:41,970 good. Like Good. I was starting to crash. Yeah. That's alright. We all do. You 444 00:26:41,970 --> 00:26:45,250 gotta but you look. And that's the thing, mate. I love a beer. So it's 445 00:26:45,250 --> 00:26:48,950 like I don't and I think part of that letter to myself was like, 446 00:26:49,345 --> 00:26:52,945 don't stuff this up for yourself. You know, you really enjoy it. So 447 00:26:53,425 --> 00:26:57,265 and because I was so clear, it was like just a really good way 448 00:26:57,265 --> 00:27:00,885 to like, you know, and you have and there's always gonna be like, mate's weddings, 449 00:27:00,945 --> 00:27:04,559 you know, birthdays, all these things come up where it's like, you know, 450 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,760 it's not it's not the same going there. You can sit there and say whatever 451 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,880 you want. It is not the same going to something like No. Even if you 452 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,480 only have a couple of beers, it's still Yeah. You know, different to go in 453 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,880 there and not have a good one. And I reckon you gotta allow yourself to 454 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,284 have that balance. Yeah. Right? It's it's healthy balance as long as you're balancing off 455 00:27:20,284 --> 00:27:23,644 with, you know, not sinking, you know, 10 cans every night or whatever it might 456 00:27:23,644 --> 00:27:25,884 be and those sort of you find that balance, there's nothing wrong with that at 457 00:27:25,884 --> 00:27:28,684 all. You know what I mean? And I've always sort of said that, like, people 458 00:27:28,684 --> 00:27:31,904 have always said to me, like, you need to have that balance. I'm like, mate, 459 00:27:32,125 --> 00:27:35,760 sometimes I I I over the course of a year, it probably 460 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,600 does balance out because I might go, hey, we're in Tong for, you know, 461 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,299 3 months and then have 3 months off. And it's like over that 462 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,200 3 months, I accomplished so much more that I'm like That 463 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,335 is 6 months working for you. I'm like, oh, I 464 00:27:51,015 --> 00:27:54,774 I've earned these 3 months of of divorce. Watch out. So over 465 00:27:54,934 --> 00:27:58,695 I always argue. I'm like, look, I somewhat do balance out. Yeah. 466 00:27:58,695 --> 00:28:02,375 I love it. So you're swimming. I'm intrigued now. A, have you kept your 467 00:28:02,375 --> 00:28:06,150 swimming up? How's how's that done now? That's done stuff? I've I've just 468 00:28:06,150 --> 00:28:09,990 signed up to another one. So, I actually went back and did it in the 469 00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:13,590 summer because I wanted to enjoy the swim. Right. I didn't get to 470 00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:17,270 enjoy it. Yeah. Because it was just too cold. Oh, too cold. I just mate, 471 00:28:17,270 --> 00:28:20,285 I was never been so scared of my life. Yeah. So I just 472 00:28:20,825 --> 00:28:23,785 everything in my body was telling me not to do it, you know, and it 473 00:28:23,785 --> 00:28:27,625 was I jumped off and did it and it was like yeah. It was the 474 00:28:27,625 --> 00:28:30,665 best feeling in my life. And then I wanted to go back and do it 475 00:28:30,665 --> 00:28:34,320 during summer and I didn't listen to the 476 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,160 instructions because I'm like, oh, I've done this before that harder and I swung to 477 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,920 the wrong place and then I had to swim further, like, than what 478 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,440 I did. So I just didn't listen. I was just like, 479 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,174 oh, like, just arrogant. Just like, man, I've done 480 00:28:49,174 --> 00:28:52,855 this, you know. So they're listening that as well. Exactly. Like, you know, one swim 481 00:28:52,855 --> 00:28:56,695 doesn't make it professional. Or conditions change. Yeah. And it 482 00:28:56,775 --> 00:29:00,615 well, that was the other thing. So then the second time the tides changed and, 483 00:29:00,615 --> 00:29:04,429 oh, like, it was hard. It was it wasn't harder, but it was 484 00:29:04,429 --> 00:29:08,029 like well, physically it was harder because I wasn't as fit. I wasn't 485 00:29:08,029 --> 00:29:11,870 training as much either. So, but, yeah, I'm still still swimming. 486 00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:15,549 There you go. You've signed up for another one. What's the next challenge on the 487 00:29:15,549 --> 00:29:18,995 horizon? What what do you what Well, that's it's actually so that's a 488 00:29:18,995 --> 00:29:22,595 3.4 kilometer swim. This one is a 489 00:29:22,595 --> 00:29:26,275 24 kilometers swim. Wow. Jeepers. So it's like an 490 00:29:26,275 --> 00:29:29,830 ultra it's like ultra or ultra ultra marathon. Like 491 00:29:29,910 --> 00:29:32,550 Yeah. Well, that'd be my worst leg. If I was gonna do a triathlon, the 492 00:29:32,550 --> 00:29:35,270 swim would be my worst leg. It's hard to do because it's the first one. 493 00:29:35,270 --> 00:29:39,030 You drop yourself out. That's what I've done. I've done and dusted. I even got 494 00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:41,190 one or the other. You're either a good runner or a good swimmer. I doubt 495 00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:44,205 you I don't know. Some people anyone could ride a bike. Yes. Yes. Anyone could 496 00:29:44,205 --> 00:29:47,485 ride a bike. Yeah. That's definitely my worst thing. That's for sure. That's what What 497 00:29:47,485 --> 00:29:51,184 made you wanna jump from, like, 3 to 24? 498 00:29:51,885 --> 00:29:55,184 Like, that's massive. It's a 100 days away. 499 00:29:55,565 --> 00:29:58,950 So Are gonna go a 100 days off the piss leading to? No. No. I've 500 00:29:58,950 --> 00:30:02,790 already run-in that. I did that to myself 501 00:30:02,790 --> 00:30:06,390 once. I'm not doing that again. No. Like, I'll I'll 502 00:30:06,390 --> 00:30:09,910 obviously severely limit it, but it's like, yeah. I just wanted 503 00:30:09,910 --> 00:30:13,515 to, again, just give it a challenge. It's like, I think 504 00:30:13,515 --> 00:30:17,115 it's a few weeks before me 40th and Yeah. I just sort of 505 00:30:17,275 --> 00:30:20,655 I've just got this thing. I've never been fit in my life. Like, I've lost 506 00:30:21,035 --> 00:30:24,575 27 kilos over the past 2 years. Have you? And, 507 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,960 yeah, I'm just like, I wanna hit 40 with 1 ab. Like, 508 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,679 just 1. Yeah. I'll just like 1 ab. Well, mate, you look you look healthy. 509 00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:34,340 You know what I mean? Like, looking at you, you look bloody healthy. So 27 510 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:38,159 kilos? 27. Oh, man. The peak of, like, COVID, I was a 511 00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:41,965 116 kilos. Wow. So yeah. So you've gone down to 512 00:30:41,965 --> 00:30:45,805 87. So Even that in self, like, living every day and just 513 00:30:45,805 --> 00:30:49,565 working, and it must be so, like, liberating. Like 514 00:30:49,725 --> 00:30:53,405 I've dropped a bag and a half of concrete. Yeah. Wow. So 515 00:30:54,450 --> 00:30:58,289 yeah. That's yeah. It's I wonder if only I wonder if only tradies put 516 00:30:58,289 --> 00:31:02,130 it in that sense. They were. I've I've dropped a bag and a half of 517 00:31:02,130 --> 00:31:04,929 concrete. I was like, where is he going? Because I've dropped a bag and a 518 00:31:04,929 --> 00:31:05,429 half. 519 00:31:08,385 --> 00:31:11,985 Half. Oh, shit. So That's weird. Going to people who are 520 00:31:11,985 --> 00:31:15,105 listening, state of Nirvana, give it a bit of a plug in where we can 521 00:31:15,105 --> 00:31:18,945 find it, where can we come along. Obviously, people like the idea of Friday night, 522 00:31:18,945 --> 00:31:22,320 finish style, but there's also other opportunities. Yeah. It's, 523 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,419 so it's a mobile sauna, which is even the best thing. It's like wood fired. 524 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,480 So at the moment, I am based at the back 525 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,320 of the beach bar in Karim, which is like 611 Nepean 526 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,015 Highway. It's a wicked location. The girls 2 girls that 527 00:31:38,015 --> 00:31:41,775 run it are amazing. They sort of gave us a shot. They're 528 00:31:41,775 --> 00:31:45,075 all on board. They're like, the mental health benefits of it. 529 00:31:45,535 --> 00:31:49,370 And I had these little inflatable sort of ones, like the epoxy 530 00:31:49,370 --> 00:31:52,090 ones you see on Instagram when I was you know, because it was just gonna 531 00:31:52,090 --> 00:31:55,930 be the mobile thing. And then when I sort of like, they sponsored us, so 532 00:31:55,930 --> 00:31:59,770 it was like, alright. Sweet. I'm gonna go get these nice wine barrels and, you 533 00:31:59,770 --> 00:32:02,970 know, got the bigger ones so that my mate's, like, who's 6 foot 5, he 534 00:32:02,970 --> 00:32:06,375 can fit in there. Yeah. It's just it's it's 535 00:32:06,375 --> 00:32:09,434 fun. Like, they we'll be starting to do breath work shortly. 536 00:32:11,095 --> 00:32:14,475 We've I've got a yeah. Start So the mate's the mate's booking 537 00:32:14,774 --> 00:32:18,475 Yes. So how's it work? Book online. Yep. It's it's a 6 seater. 538 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,919 It's a 6 seater. Yeah. When does when will this go live? Or when will 539 00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:25,679 this go to? Monday. Monday. Monday. Monday. Yeah. Stay 540 00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:29,360 tuned. There's some news coming up. Don't do it. I know 541 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,880 you're sorry, mate. We're running a lot of episodes. You know, we're gonna throw in 542 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,625 the bank. Yeah. So there'll be 543 00:32:36,625 --> 00:32:40,304 some some exciting stuff coming up soon. But, yeah, it is 544 00:32:40,465 --> 00:32:44,145 at the moment, we're based there just on Saturdays. The Fridays are gonna open up 545 00:32:44,145 --> 00:32:47,980 soon and Sundays, like, over Christmas. And, yeah, as I say, 546 00:32:47,980 --> 00:32:51,660 like, I wanna start moving into towards, like, the more corporate side 547 00:32:51,660 --> 00:32:55,420 because it's it's a good thing, and it's nice 548 00:32:55,420 --> 00:32:58,780 seeing the change. It's really good to, like, 549 00:32:58,780 --> 00:33:02,135 optimize your focus, and it's, yeah, it 550 00:33:02,414 --> 00:33:05,975 I think it's just gonna be a a good thing moving forward for the 551 00:33:05,975 --> 00:33:08,934 corporate side of things. I know. I know. You're right. In terms of business sense, 552 00:33:08,934 --> 00:33:12,615 you you manage a team, like, something completely different. Imagine 553 00:33:12,615 --> 00:33:15,815 taking your team down for that sort of bonding session down there and you're looking 554 00:33:15,815 --> 00:33:19,230 after them, you value your stuff like that, they're gonna bloody froth it. They would 555 00:33:19,230 --> 00:33:22,990 love that. Correct. Yeah. Like, the other like, from the employer sort of side, 556 00:33:22,990 --> 00:33:26,289 like, people will want to come and work there, you know, like it's 557 00:33:26,830 --> 00:33:30,669 Yeah. Like, wellness is is growing in Oh, and it's only gonna keep 558 00:33:30,669 --> 00:33:34,455 growing too. Correct. Yeah. And I feel like yeah. The more we 559 00:33:34,455 --> 00:33:37,815 can sort of do with this, it'll just be, yeah, a positive. 560 00:33:37,815 --> 00:33:41,435 Brilliant. Mate, you should be honestly, Sydney, it's It's a wonderful 561 00:33:41,495 --> 00:33:45,255 story. Bloody awesome stories. To be proud of. Yeah. Stop my words. I was 562 00:33:45,255 --> 00:33:47,970 gonna say you should be incredibly proud of yourself, man. And I'll be honest, like, 563 00:33:48,130 --> 00:33:51,970 bloody inspiring. Honestly, honestly, you bloody inspired me 564 00:33:51,970 --> 00:33:54,690 a little bit to step a bit further outside the comfort zone and stop being 565 00:33:54,690 --> 00:33:58,370 such a pussy and try some different things, but also to have that 566 00:33:58,370 --> 00:34:01,955 impact on the on the on the friendship group as well. There's so many awesome 567 00:34:02,075 --> 00:34:05,595 that fork in the road moment and what's come out of it, bloody unreal, 568 00:34:05,595 --> 00:34:09,355 mate. Unreal. On behalf of the school play, mate, state of 569 00:34:09,355 --> 00:34:13,195 Nirvana, you're doing awesome work. Keep it up. Get behind in 570 00:34:13,195 --> 00:34:16,859 the community, get down there, support the cause, enjoy some time together with the saw 571 00:34:16,859 --> 00:34:20,540 in the ice baths. Sadie, thanks for your Yeah. I've 572 00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:24,380 done much today, but Sadie enjoyed a lot of different stories. I think 573 00:34:24,380 --> 00:34:27,659 that's one of the best things I love about podcasting is you come into this 574 00:34:27,659 --> 00:34:31,474 and you don't understand people's journey or where it comes from, but that's how people 575 00:34:31,474 --> 00:34:34,855 learn. Do you know what I mean? Like, so you may think doing the, like, 576 00:34:35,074 --> 00:34:37,714 the saunas and the ice bath and that, that's what people get out of it. 577 00:34:37,714 --> 00:34:41,234 But what they'll relate to is your story and committing to something, and then what 578 00:34:41,234 --> 00:34:44,814 happens when you actually achieve that. Yeah. And like you said, you know, doing that 579 00:34:44,814 --> 00:34:48,005 one swim. You're doing it no matter what, even when people said don't do it. 580 00:34:48,005 --> 00:34:51,197 Yeah. But because you're able to do that one thing, then so many other things 581 00:34:51,197 --> 00:34:54,600 open up. That's I think that's the biggest thing people need to do is just 582 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,792 do that one thing. If it's an ice bath or if it's going for a 583 00:34:57,792 --> 00:35:01,365 run, like, just do one thing, commit to it, and do it. Yeah. Because then 584 00:35:01,365 --> 00:35:04,724 everything's possible. Yeah. And it's it is. It is, mate. It's a self 585 00:35:04,724 --> 00:35:08,244 limiting place Yeah. Everyone puts on themselves. Yep. The narrative we tell 586 00:35:08,244 --> 00:35:11,525 ourselves, that's the only thing that stops us down. No one else. Our mind is 587 00:35:11,525 --> 00:35:15,079 the biggest creator. 100% it is. And the way you know, we talk about this 588 00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:18,200 all the time. The way we speak to ourselves, you wouldn't speak to anyone else. 589 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,480 But we think it's okay to do. But that's where giving yourself your lean and 590 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,759 be proud of yourself and actually achieve something, I think. And that's the best thing 591 00:35:24,759 --> 00:35:28,305 about your story. You did that, and everything's come because of it. You know, 592 00:35:28,305 --> 00:35:31,744 nothing will come even unless you do that, or you have a story, or you 593 00:35:31,744 --> 00:35:35,425 have something to overcome to prove to yourself. Yeah. And that's the biggest thing I'll 594 00:35:35,425 --> 00:35:38,945 take away from today. So, mate, the power of story is amazing, Conan. Thank you 595 00:35:38,945 --> 00:35:41,845 for sharing it. Awesome. Thanks, mate. Take care, everyone.