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zo’n

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omgekeerde

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vlag

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viaduct.

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overal.

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geworden

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boerenprotesten.

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blijft

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actueel

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nogal

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explosief

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onderwerp.

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stikstofcrisis?

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complexiteit

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ervan

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enorm.

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kern

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Nederland

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schadelijk

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voor

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kwetsbare

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natuurgebieden.

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Precies,

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dat

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begrepen.

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komt

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landbouw,

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toch?

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veestapel?

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grootste

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bronnen.

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gericht.

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rechter

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heeft

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staat

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gedwongen

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maatregelen

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nemen

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bescherming

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natuur.

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wacht,

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overheid

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'moest'

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wel.

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Het

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zomaar

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eigen

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plan.

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maatregel

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dus

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verminderen

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veestapel?

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Onder

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andere,

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ja.

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reductie

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aantal

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dieren

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meest

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besproken,

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meest

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controversiële,

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maatregelen.

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Maar

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gaat

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technologische

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innovaties

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uitkopen

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bedrijven

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dicht

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bij

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natuurgebieden

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liggen.

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emotie

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boeren

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wel.

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vaak

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familiebedrijf

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generaties

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bestaat.

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krijg

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horen

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voortzetting

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ervan

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onzeker

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protesteren.

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Absoluut.

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Het

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perspectief

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veel

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boeren

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heel

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onduidelijk.

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communicatie

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vanuit

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overheid

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bepaald

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vlekkeloos,

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alleen

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maar

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vergrootte.

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Toch

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vind

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boerenprotesten

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soms

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wel...

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heftig.

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Snelwegen

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blokkeren,

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politici

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thuis

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bedreigen.

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ver.

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waar.

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tussen

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onvrede

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openbare

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verstoren

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zelfs

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intimideren.

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Maar

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diepe

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wanhoop.

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omgekeerde

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vlag,

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daar

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eigenlijk

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precieze

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betekenis

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van?

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soort

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noodsignaal?

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Eigenlijk

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wel.

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vlag

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boeren

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symbool

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overgenomen

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volgens

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diepe

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crisis

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verkeert.

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kijk.

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Het

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is

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dus

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echt

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bedoeld

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een

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schreeuw

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om

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hulp.

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Dat

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geeft

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het

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wel

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een

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andere

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lading.

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Het

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is

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een

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hele

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transitie

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die

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de

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sector

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gevraagd

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wordt,

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hè?

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Precies.

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Een

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transitie

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naar

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een

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duurzamere

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vorm

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van

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landbouw.

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Maar

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de

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uitvoering

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zo'n

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grootschalige

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verandering

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is

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extreem

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ingewikkeld

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pijnlijk

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voor

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de

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betrokkenen.

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Het

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probleem

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is

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dat

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het

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hele

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debat

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leidt

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tot

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een

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enorme

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polarisatie.

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Je

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bent

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óf

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voor

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de

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boeren,

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óf

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voor

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de

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natuur.

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Een

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genuanceerd

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midden

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lijkt

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soms

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ver

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te

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zoeken.

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Polarisatie,

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ja,

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dat

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is

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echt

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het

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perfecte

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woord.

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Iedereen

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graaft

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zich

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in.

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Terwijl

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het

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uiteindelijk

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gaat

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leefbaarheid

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van

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het

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platteland.

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Eigenlijk

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wel.

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De

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leefbaarheid

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is

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een

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veel

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breder

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begrip.

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Het

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gaat

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om

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de

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sociale

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structuur,

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de

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economie,

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de

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voorzieningen...

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Als

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boerenbedrijven

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verdwijnen,

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heeft

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dat

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impact

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op

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de

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hele

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gemeenschap.

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Ja,

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precies.

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Het

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is

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niet

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alleen

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een

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stikstofprobleem,

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het

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is

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een

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sociaal

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probleem.

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Poeh,

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best

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een

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zwaar

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onderwerp

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zo.

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Dus,

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we

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hebben

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het

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gehad

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over

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de

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stikstofcrisis

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als

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gevolg

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te

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veel

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uitstoot,

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het

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overheidsbeleid

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en

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de

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maatregelen

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zoals

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de

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verkleining

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van

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de

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veestapel.

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Ja,

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en

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over

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de

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boerenprotesten

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die

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daaruit

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voortkomen,

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de

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symboliek

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van

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de

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omgekeerde

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vlag

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en

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de

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maatschappelijke

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polarisatie

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die

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het

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veroorzaakt.

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Nou

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ja,

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genoeg

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stof

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tot

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nadenken

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weer.

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Ik

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ga

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maar

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weer

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eens

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aan

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het

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werk.

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Gaat

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lekker.

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Ik

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ook.

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We

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spreken

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elkaar

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snel

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weer,

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doei!

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Doei!