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Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs
Podcast, the show for dog lovers who

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see dogs not as toys or tools, but
wise souls worth our respect and care.

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I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host.

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I talk to poor some humans, people who
do great work for dogs and their people.

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So come and join us for
today's conversation.

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Anke: and welcome, Paul.

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I'm extra excited to have you here.

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Back at you.

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Lovely.

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So, I have here with me today
the original dog, Whisperer.

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So, you're in for an extra treat.

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So, Paul, share with people, you know,
where in this lovely world are you

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and what's your business with dogs?

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Paul: Well, uh, you know, I
never know what's going to

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come out of my mouth anymore.

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So bear with me.

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So

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when I was writing my, my latest
book is called, uh, training for the,

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oh, wait a minute, Shameless Pluck.

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I wrote this book.

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I had a number of avenues I could go
down because I'm celebrating my 50th

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year as a professional dog trainer.

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There's not many of us
old fogies around anymore.

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And so I was trying to decide, well,
what theme do I want to go with?

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And It turned out I have so many stories,
I could fill a lot of these books, but

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I decided that what I would like to do
is celebrate the progress that we've

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all made over the last, uh, number of
decades, uh, treating dog kindness.

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Is that a dog?

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Anke: I've got two right here.

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My, my two

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Paul: girls.

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If they're small enough to pick
them up, show them to the camera.

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All right.

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Okay.

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Uh, and so I decided what I wanted
to do is make this a celebration,

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make the book a celebration of,
especially I think the two biggest.

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changes since I started training back
in the 70s to what's going on now.

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Uh, the biggest, I think,
is empathy for dogs.

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Instead of being, we own dogs
and their property, it's their

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family members and their friends.

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And that has resulted, and I did a short
Study on it in hundreds of millions of

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dogs being saved over the last hundreds
of millions because people's hearts

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have expanded all because of dogs and we
look at those doleful eyes looking up at

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us and we see that happy wagging tail.

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I'm convinced that politics would be,
uh, we wouldn't have as many problems

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if while everybody was meeting they
were holding a puppy in their hands.

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Anke: If

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Paul: anybody treated that puppy
cruelly, they're out of there,

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you know, and, uh, And so, dogs
teach us a lot about ourselves,

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and so I don't get too long winded.

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Uh, I feel, as you do, uh, not
only lucky, but blessed that we've

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been able to, to work with these
wonderful souls all these years.

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Anke: I love that.

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I love this so much.

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And actually I will probably not be
able to unsee that in politics now.

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Always imagine everybody with a puppy.

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That's so cool.

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So, I mean, like when I kind of first
had my first dog, that's kind of 20

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years ago, he, like things have come a
long way, especially where I'm in Spain.

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It's like, you know, the way people
relate to dogs has come quite a long way.

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What, you know, on the scale to
where we came from, where dogs were

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literally like tools or toys for the
kids or something, like something

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that serves us, to, in your ideal
world, where we would want to get to?

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Where do you think we're at?

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Paul: Well, that's a really good
question, uh, because people like you

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and I and the people that we have as
friends and family Uh, we look at dogs

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as basically like mirrors of who we are.

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Well, I'm going to have to work
on that because I'm feeling really

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stressed and everything, and it
shows us what we have to work on.

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But it also talks about if there is a
meaning to life, uh, which is another

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good topic for a program, by the way.

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Uh, if there is a meaning to life,
the whole purpose, which I wish we

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would have learned when we were in
grade school, is the whole purpose

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of life is to expand your heart.

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And that's it.

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And dogs allow us to do that.

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Uh, and so on a scale from one to
10, I think we've gone from a one to

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two back 50 years ago because of how
I used to treat dogs for the first

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14 years as a professional doctor.

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And I didn't use treats.

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And yet I had a dog who went on to become
nationally recognized for how obedient she

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was, and she wasn't trained with treats.

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But it turns out she was just a great
spirit, and she can handle anything.

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She just rolled with it.

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But then, after about 14 years,
I said, boy, this is no way to

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treat a family member and a friend.

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And I had to go back to school to
learn force free, reward based dog

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training, non violent dog training.

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And so, from Uh, a one
to two fifty years ago.

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I think we're up to a solid seven,
uh, if we can get rid of the whole

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property angle and you can have more
programs like yours to help expand

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the message that, you know, dogs are
a lot more than we thought they were.

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Uh, and so I don't get too long
winded here, but dog trainer is

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just like any teacher of anything.

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You're learning how to dance,
you're learning a new language,

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you're learning anything.

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The two biggest points we all try to
make is that number one, education.

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People, I don't know calculus.

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I don't know how to play a trumpet.

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I'm ignorant of those skills,
so I have to learn them.

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Uh, but so education is number
one, but motivation is number two.

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And once people learn to what their dogs
can do and what their abilities are and

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what they really mean to us in our lives,
we're starting motivating to become even

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closer and closer and closer to them.

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So I think we're up to a solid seven,
but boy, we got a lot of work to do.

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Anke: Yeah, I know.

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It feels like, I think, it does, it's
my sensation too that we've come a

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long way, but there's also You know,
when I'm sort of, there's certain

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people on the internet that you
kind of follow, and you think, well,

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they, there's almost like a pushback.

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There's a particular guy that
I have in mind, like he's a

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dog trainer in Mallorca, right?

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And he's constantly talking
about how, basically, like his

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narrative is fairly simple, and
it's always about all problems.

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That we have with dogs being
aggressive and fighting people

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and attacking each other.

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It all comes from owners that
are too permissive, like we're

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too nice to our dogs, right?

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So there is, and I think the part that I
see dangerous and things like that, it's

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like there's a half truth in it, Right.

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They, they, you know, when people don't
give a dog leadership, like it's not about

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just allowing the dog to do just anything.

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Right.

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So it's, it's about teaching.

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And so now he comes as a, well, they're
just like too lenient and they're like,

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Oh, you can't correct the dog at all.

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So, well, of course the
dog thinks they're boss.

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And then, you know, the problem
is that the case he's making, and

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I see people like, Oh, this is
the way, like, this makes sense.

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This makes sense.

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Right.

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And it's almost like.

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pushing back, you know, because at the
end of the day, it does more harm than

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good because it doesn't inspire people
who are maybe not consistent in their,

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you know, guidelines that that's not
speaking to them, but the people who kind

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of looking for an excuse to control the
dog will use that as the justification

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that I'm right in punishing the dog.

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Paul: Boy, that's a,
that's a That's a big wall.

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Uh, when I switched over to positive
training back in the late 80s and

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everything, I found that because I
was, I can speak with authority on

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this because I was very successful
using those and I'm very successful

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using these, uh, but you just take a
step back and say science is science.

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Here's the two big secrets of
dog training, which I'm sure

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you've never heard before.

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It's number one, dogs are transactional.

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Whoever has the most value or money,
that's who the dog listens to.

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So the very first thing we do is we tell
our clients to increase their value.

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So, Just playing with it for a second.

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If you have real chicken, turkey, cheese,
hamburger, steak, bacon, roast beef, hot

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dog, you are worth 10, 000 to 20, 000.

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If you have dry treats when you first get
a dog, you're worth 1, 000 to 10, 000.

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And your praise is worth about 50 cents.

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And people get, what do you mean, I
bathe this dog, I feed this dog, what

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do you mean it's only worth 50 cents?

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Well, science is science, because
your competition is Mother Nature.

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Mother Nature in the form of
anything novel, anything new.

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The sights, the sounds, the smells,
other dogs, cats, squirrels, the UPS

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driver, United Parcel Service driver
that comes to our doors and drops stuff

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off, that's a 50, 000 distraction.

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So, if Dogs listen to
who has the most value.

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The first thing you have to do
is increase your value, and this

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directly, hopefully, addresses what
you just were talking about, Anke, is

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that fear can't increase your value.

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The dog says, I better not do
something because something

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bad is going to happen to me.

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But the second is, is rewards,
reinforcements, positive reinforcements.

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They're also Increasing your value.

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So the sliver of truth that you were
talking about, it is true, that positive

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reward based dog training, uh, it's
It's positive, but it's not permissive.

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Safety is number one.

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So you have to set up an environment
where the dog can basically learn

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how to do stuff without you, without
a fear of being hurt or being

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physically or emotionally damaged.

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And so there is a little truth
that negative training does work

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because you've increased your value.

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However, And now I'm on
a soapbox, of course.

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Uh,

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if we have, you humans have the
intelligence and creativity and intuitive

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sense to go to the moon, to do all
the wonderful things we've got, we can

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certainly get a dog to learn how to sit,
lie down, stay, get you a soda out of the

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refrigerator if you want, and, and, and
it's their idea and they really love it.

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So why can't we do that?

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The fact is we can, and all the trainers
and all of the programs, for instance,

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like yours that are coming up are helping
to spread that message, but boy, it

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takes a long time to change a habit.

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For you dog enthusiasts in the
audience, let me take some, if

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there are any over here, more than,
more than my, uh, my friends here.

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If you I have a little bit of
value, and you feel that you can

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change a dog's environment, how
long does it take to change the

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environment to change their behavior?

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Two to twelve months.

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My housemate, who I've been living
with for nine years, dear friend

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of mine, changed the light on
our kitchen wall ten months ago.

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I'm still looking at that
other wall because I've been

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looking at it for ten months.

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So all science, uh, again, I'm getting
along with it, uh, but all science

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is just correcting neural pathways.

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While we're talking, little
neurons are connecting.

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Hello, Joe, what are we learning here?

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No, no, you want to go over there to Fred.

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And, and.

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A neural pathway is a behavior.

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You connect enough of them and you replace
the old behaviors with new behaviors.

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First thing you have to do is increase
your value because dogs are transactional

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and number two, dogs are contextual.

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Why does it take two to 12 months?

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If you see somebody at work and
then two months later you see

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them in a restaurant and you go, I
know that person from some place.

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I can't get it.

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And so you have to reintroduce yourself.

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And then two months later, you're
in Spain, and you see the person

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sitting at a little coffee shop.

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And you say, I know I know
that person, gosh darn it,

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but you can't quite place it.

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That's not because the
dog or you are stupid.

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It's just because not enough
neural pathways have connected.

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That's why it takes two to twelve months.

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Science is science.

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So those are the two big
secrets in dog training.

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Increase your value.

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Number one, make a sound
like a kissy sound.

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Uh, and give your dog a treat.

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Pavlov used to ring bells.

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So kissy sound treat.

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Within a day and a half, the dog says,
Oh, you never have to say no anymore,

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just make that kissy sound and tell
me what you want me to do instead.

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And so you have to have big money with you
for a couple of months, but just take all

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the pressure off you and realize Mother
Nature's doing all the work for us anyway.

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And it takes her two to 12
months to build these roads.

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Anke: Hmm.

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I love that.

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I love that.

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So, so now, now let's, apart, okay, we,
we've established chicken, so now how

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else do I Uh, increase my value, right?

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Do I have to then go and say, well,
let's just get some serrano ham out?

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Are there other things than food?

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Paul: You're, you're spot on.

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Uh, and it's the number one
transition that people like me who

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were negative traits become tough.

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Well, I don't want to have to bribe my
dog and give them treats all my life.

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Science is science.

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So number one, you find something that
dog, dog really likes to do is go outside.

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You have them sit.

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And then you say, okay, that's
a safety concern among anything.

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My dog is jumping on me.

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What do you want your dog to do instead?

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My dog is stealing food off the counter.

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What do you want your dog to do
instead without having to use food?

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Life rewards are anything a dog wants.

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There isn't food.

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You want to go for a walk, want to get
in the car, want to chase a ball, want to

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get petted, want to get on the couch, you
can do all of those things as long as you

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sit, pick up a toy, go to your bed, lie
down, look at me and ask, and I'll give

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it to you, until it becomes a habit, and
then you don't have to use treats anymore.

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How long does it take?

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Two to twelve months.

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And the other thing is form what
is called behavioral change.

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You teach, this is stuff you already
know, you teach a dog to sit,

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You give him a treat and pet him.

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He's teaching dogs to
go to their bed and sit.

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Then you give them the treat.

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Teach your dog to go to your bed,
sit down, stay, come, all that stuff.

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And that's a behavioral change.

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It's why here, do they
have lotteries in Spain?

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Anke: Yeah.

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Paul: Yeah.

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It's, it's why the people who set up
the lotteries, you don't have to pay

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people to pay, buy a lottery ticket.

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They have found out that, and in science
it's called anticipatory response.

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Whenever dogs can anticipate
something great is going to happen,

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they'll do whatever you want.

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Food isn't involved.

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And so the lottery people were very
smart, they set up these algorithms,

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and they said, you know, if we get
this amount of people to win this

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amount of money, we'll start to form
those neural pathways until eventually

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there will be billion dollar payouts.

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And we can pay them less and
less and less and less and less.

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And that is exactly how
it worked with dogs.

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Anke: That's a classic because
like in Spain, people like

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obsessed with luxury, right?

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It's kind of like a primary,
uh, investment strategy, right?

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And so, and it is true.

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Like you just need occasionally somebody
here that somebody's won somewhere

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and people spend massive amounts.

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on the lottery, just in that hope
that maybe next time it, it, it,

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Paul: yeah.

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Oh, I just might win that.

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Maybe it's my turn.

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And that's how we act.

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This is how dogs act.

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Science is science.

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Anke: And I love this, like, yeah, I
love the science piece to it because

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it somehow takes, it feels like it
takes the argument out for people.

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Paul: Well, you know,
I, I really liked that.

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Uh, when you talk about negative
training, the first thing I ask Uh,

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because, you know, you're trying
not to be judgmental or anything,

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you just get to the science part.

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Who did you learn your
positive training from?

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And I have yet to meet.

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A person who did what I used to
do, the leash corrections, the

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pinning the dog to the ground,
the jabbing, all that other stuff.

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I have yet to meet somebody who
has really taken a solid course

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in reward based dog training.

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So they can say, well, what is it you
did, and can I show you something?

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You don't have to believe, I'm, as you
can tell, I'm very long winded, but you

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don't have to keep talking to somebody.

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They need to A, see it,
and B, be able to do it.

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All that being said, some people
still won't change because they're

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so successful using negatives, and
that's how they identify themselves.

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So, uh, but all we can do is, you
know, one dog at a time, one person

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at a time, and hope for the best.

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Anke: Yeah.

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And I think there is, there does seem to
be a momentum that's picking up, right?

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I did a summit in February and I remember
we had like a little panel discussion

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where I got everybody in the room.

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And I remember somebody was, she said, I
can't believe like for 30 years I've been

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trying to spread this message and always
felt it was just me yelling into the wind.

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And now just to be in a room with a whole
bunch of other people looking in the

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same direction, you know, so it feels
it's sort of picking up more as a, not

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just some weirdo who just doesn't get it,
you know, so, but it actually You know,

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people get to see, it's like, hey, there
is a better way of doing this, you know?

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Paul: Boy, you're spot on.

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I mean, I agree with that, but what the
direct result of that is, A, I mentioned

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earlier is that hundreds of millions of
dogs have been saved because of this.

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But the other big factor is,
is the motivation of why am I

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working with my dog, is because
we feel better about ourselves.

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In my children's program, Paws for Peace,
Uh, I'll give you a real quick, my, my

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book is all full of these stories, but
in the Paws for Peace program, we would

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have children in the back of the room,
and I brought in my 110 pound golden

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retriever, and everybody's a little
nervous about dogs, uh, and they'd be

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in the back of the room, and I said, you
know, Grady's a little bit nervous, too.

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You're gonna like this story, and
Grady's a little bit nervous, too.

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Can you help, help him feel a
little bit more comfortable?

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So I give everybody a treat, and
especially the people in the back

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of the room first, and I said,
when you say Grady, Find it.

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And so they, okay, I'm in the back
and there's kids in front of me,

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I'm feeling safe, and this is it.

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And what we've just done is
we've triggered curiosity.

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Curiosity is the number
one door opener for fears.

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And so, okay, I'm safe.

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Created an environment for safety.

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I'm gonna take the treat and go find it.

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The moment Grady takes the
treat, a bridge is formed.

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So, Mother Nature, in the form of
this big dog with these big teeth and

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everything, has just taken a gift from
this child, Mother Nature in the child.

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And so, what have you done?

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You've reinforced something
in the child's heart.

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You've opened up the child's heart and
said, I'm more connected to Mother Nature.

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But in reality, she's saying, well,
maybe this dog isn't so bad after all.

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At the end of the class, All the
children are petting this big old dog.

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There's like 10 hands on
the dog because he's so big.

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And at the end, I always finish,
I say, you were able to get this

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big dog to sit and lie down and
to pick up toys and to do tricks.

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And you never had to yell and
you never had to correct him.

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You didn't say no or get angry.

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Imagine what you can do with your
brothers and sisters and friends.

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So that makes it real.

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Again, you can talk a lot, and
I talk a lot, but you have to

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show them if possible, and then
they have to do it themselves.

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I love that.

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Anke: I love that, and that brings me
to your book, which I've got, and it

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comes with a whole bunch of videos where
you can actually see this in action.

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So, let people know where they
can get that course on it,

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Paul: where they can find

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Anke: out about you.

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But I think definitely get your
course on the book because that's

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the thing, it does come with a whole
bunch of extra resources and videos

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where you can see this in action.

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And it's so, it's like,
oh, it makes so much sense.

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You can almost like put two
and two together, like how it

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would make sense for the dog.

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Paul: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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How many people do you talk to?

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All of a sudden their
mouth opens and goes.

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Awesome.

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Of course, it's so simple.

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It makes sense.

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We just have to learn how to do it.

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So thank you for that, uh, Anke.

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Uh, so they can go to my
website, OriginalDogWhisperer,

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OriginalDogWhisperer.

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com.

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And, uh, the neat thing about the
book is it's a read and watch.

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So it's the first one, I think,
that's been out there, uh, so you

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can get, hold the book in your
hands and go on the internet.

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And then you can actually click a button
that shows what we've just talked about.

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So that's number one.

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Um, you can buy it on Amazon also, but
if you buy it off my website, 3 from the

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sale of each book goes to the nonprofits,
uh, that I mentioned in the book.

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So if you could spend a little extra
time doing that, uh, that would be

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really appreciated, everybody benefits.

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So thank you for allowing me to do that.

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I appreciate it.

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Anke: I can highly recommend
it because I've got it and

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I got hooked on the videos.

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And it's just like delightful
to see it in action, right?

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It just brings it to life
in this most beautiful way.

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Well, thank you.

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And we obviously put the links below
the video above, or, you know, if you,

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if you watch it and if you're on the
podcast, it's obviously in the show notes.

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So we're going to make it easy to
find, so you don't have to go very far.

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Well, thank you so much.

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This is absolutely delightful.

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And I was like, Oh, I'm just going to like
looking for excuses to bring you back.

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Paul: Well, that went quick, didn't it?

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You can always tell something is fun
when two seconds later it's over.

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You know, I appreciate the opportunity.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Awesome.

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Thank you.

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Bye bye.

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