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Welcome back to the next episode of Second
Chance Queen.

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Tonight we are going to be interviewing
Whitley Nabintu

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who is in the pageantry world, one of my
idols.

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So I'm super excited to be interviewing
her tonight.

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Whitley Nabintu Marshall is a multifaceted
force in the realms of art, fashion,

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dance, and activism.

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As the first openly pansexual
international Mrs.

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USA of 2022 and Mrs.

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Florida USA Earth 2024, she embodies
diversity and inclusivity in all facets of

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her work.

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As the CEO and editor in chief of Art Love
Lifestyle Magazine and the creative mind

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behind Art Love Lifestyle Attire, Whitley
is on a mission to redefine beauty

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standards and amplify underrepresented

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voices, both in print and on the runway.

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Through sustainable fashion events like
Flowers That Feed Art and Fashion Showcase

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and True Beauty New York Fashion Week, she
creates platforms that celebrate

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compassion, resilience, diversity, and
authenticity, while emphasizing inclusion.

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Despite facing multiple near -death
experiences and periods of adversity,

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Whitley has transformed her pain into
purpose, spearheading the Compassionate

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Leadership Project.

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Additionally, she is the founder and
director of the Rhythm Rebels Dance

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Collective, captivating audiences
worldwide with her performances.

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Through her mind, body, compassion
coaching, Whitley adopts a holistic

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approach to empower her clients, aiming to
cultivate authentic and compassionate

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leaders within pageantry, the fashion
industry, and beyond.

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Her impact extends beyond her professional
endeavors,

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as she graces the covers of

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magazines such as

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success, Forbes, Los Angeles business, and
more.

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Recognized as a top women leader to watch
and an official nominee for Beauty It's

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Everywhere, Misses of the Year 2023,
Whitley's accolades include the Director's

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Leadership Award, the Inspirational Woman
Award, Congeniality Award, and the Spirit

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Award presented by Pageantry Magazine,
among others.

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Whitley's dedication to fostering
compassion, resilience, and inclusion

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serves as an inspiration

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to individuals worldwide, making her a
true trailblazer in her field.

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I am super excited for Whitley to join us
tonight and to hear all about her Second

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Chance story.

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thank you so much for joining me this
evening.

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I'm super excited to interview you.

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You're probably one of my favorite people
in the industry, so I'm really excited to

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have you on.

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So I would love to hear in your own words,
your second chance defining story.

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Thank you for having me.

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It's an honor to be here.

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I love what you're doing and your whole
mission here.

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As far as my second chance, I've had a
series of near -death experiences.

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But I would say the most defining moment
is probably the car accident I was in when

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I was 18 years old.

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they thought I was going to die.

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essentially I was driving in a blizzard
and spun, got out of the tire tracks in

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the snow and spun into oncoming traffic
and was hit on the passenger side and then

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again spun again around and they hit me
again from the rear.

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within a couple minutes the car went up in
flames too but it just happened to be that

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someone recognized the car that I was
driving as my mom's from

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church and pulled over and he was a
paramedic and he was two cars behind me

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and pulled me out of the car.

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But I had, yeah that was a big game
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I was 18.

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I would that

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I was in school for studying art and
psychology and that shifted my whole

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direction of life.

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ended up, I was supposed to start a job
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my whole plan was to like take a semester,
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off a semester.

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so that changed my whole direction.

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I ended up having living or being

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hospital for about a month in the ICU then
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home and living in a nursing home for a
couple months and then having physical and

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occupational therapy at

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nine months, essentially recovery for
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And so when I got well enough to work
again, my sister was like, how about you

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come out to Maine?

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And because when are you going to have
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So how about you?

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I'll help you get a temp job for the month
for the holidays.

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And then we can go back and visit mom for
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So we went and

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She essentially convinced me to move to
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ended up, so from that car accident, I
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that ended up shifting my direction or I
guess sparking my interest in...

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blood transfusion and transfusion
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And I ended up working for the American
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blood drives all around the state of Maine
and then cross training and all different

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technologies for apheresis, which
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type of blood component you could take,
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that was essentially my

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And then, but we do the medical screening,
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responding, any reactions to any of those
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And, but essentially, drawing blood used
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And I was a biomedical charge toward the
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There's, I honestly think, I think the
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in general is through the biggest
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single one of them.

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Those have been the defining moments of my
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learning my passions and really diving
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for the lessons around that because I've
found that everything, everyone has a

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different response to every situation and
some of that's based off of personality,

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some of it's based off of trauma
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circumstance or mood in the moment.

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we have choice in how we respond.

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And so when I really clicked, I feel like
that moment really was defining for me.

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It felt very like karmic as well as...

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purposeful.

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So even though I was like undergoing all
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because I had a lot of life lived up until
that moment already at 18.

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And so there is, you know, I just feel
like that was a very defining moment for

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me.

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Every challenge I feel like has had
lessons that have moved me in the, again,

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more toward my passions, clarifying
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I feel like there's good things and
challenges in every situation.

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And so a lot of it's how you decide to be
through those.

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I agree and that's not the first time that
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being catalyst moments for people.

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feel like the universe has a very strange
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direction and sometimes I think traumatic
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know something that normally you'd be like
this is really negative.

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That's not the first time I've heard
someone say that something really positive

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came out of a car accident.

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So I guess that's a great glass half full
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Another big thing I think that came from
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it made me not fear death at all from that
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death so many times.

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really in those moments.

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It's pretty cool what our bodies do
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pain, but you can experience it kind of
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Like I knew I was in pain.

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I knew I had things going on, but my body
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And so it's more of an out of body
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Like even when I think of the car
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So it just gave me different perspective
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I do think about death in an abnormal
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experiences.

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I think a lot of the positives is it's not
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think I almost go in the opposite like
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that bad of a way to die.

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feel like when you have experiences like
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your perspective.

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I've never been one that's feared death.

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I know a lot of people really do, but I've
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I have an awkward fascination with it.

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Like serial killer documentaries.

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I've had moments in my life where I'm
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documentary right now.

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I love learning about you.

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But it's like, death is also such a big
rebirth in a lot of ways.

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And I really wasn't afraid of death.

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And now I am more as a parent, definitely,
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dying, but I can't think of losing the
ones that I love.

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But it's a very brave way to look at
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get that close to death and be like, no, I
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Nah, you know, that might not be that bad.

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So I feel like that's a testament to how
strong you are mentally because and I

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think you you definitely come off and you
can correct me with this, but you

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definitely come off as more of an optimist
in a lot of ways than a pessimist.

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And I kind of sense that in you because
I'm the same way.

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Like the world can be falling around me
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My husband's a pessimist all the way.

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Like he will run around like a chicken
with his head cut off and I'm just like,

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you know, but I'm still breathing and he's
just like, So I feel like you're that same

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type of person where like things could be
going on around you and you're just kind

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of like, you know, it could be worse.

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It's true.

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I've experienced a lot of things from
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in Africa and in a third world area and
working in a clinic.

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I've seen it.

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So I do a lot of the time have.

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most of the time have a glass is half full
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gratitude for what I do have.

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Because I have both experienced less
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challenging circumstances than I, to say
the least.

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That I think it brings me to my next
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word in your bio that I see multiple times
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resilience.

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You, feel like embody resilience.

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If there was a human definition of
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right next to it.

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That brings me to the question, do you
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being resilient?

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Would it be the same second chance story
that you just told or is there something

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else that you think is really defined and
molded you into a resilient

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think experiencing multiple things over
the years and having witnessed my mom

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also, my mom I feel like is one of the
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alive in many ways.

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yeah, shout out to mom

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But seeing, I feel like optimism and that
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women in my family.

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And I do think that in a certain way, our
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chaos.

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I would 100 % agree with that because I
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where like I will stress about the tiniest
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situation and I'm the calmest person in
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I'm like okay well we're gonna X, Y, and Z
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go into go mode and then afterwards I'll
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husband's like I just watched you like get
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situation and you're crying over hangnail
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for dinner like what is going on so this
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something there

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Yeah, it's definitely a superpower and
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time.

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And that in itself probably aids
resilience.

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I would definitely agree with that.

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So one of the things that you've mentioned
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being a voice for underrepresented voices
and inclusion and redefining beauty

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standards and all of those types of
things.

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Where does that come from within you?

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Where would you say that kind of did
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it your neuro spiciness and wanting to,
you know, make others feel good?

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Or is there anything specific that caused
that kind of gravitational pull?

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Several things.

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I personally have experienced living in a
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a size 18.

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And having experienced living in different
bodies, you understand the different

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things that come with living in different
bodies and different aspects to that and

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start shaping how you see beauty as well,
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come to a place

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acceptance at all all edges of the
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and shift from looking a certain way or
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achieve a certain aesthetic to accepting
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that and learning to treat myself better
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treating myself better, having more self
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coping strategies of various sorts through
stress management and.

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you know, yeah, shifting, shifting that
mindset for myself, definitely that came

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before pageantry for me, and before any of
my, like before my magazine was born,

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before even my personal art brand was
born.

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So that perspective definitely impacts
everything that

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So the magazine, Art Love Lifestyle, each
seasonal issue has a theme focusing on the

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markers of what I call true beauty.

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I'm probably most passionate about
expanding beauty standards and

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compassionate leadership.

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I could talk about both of them forever.

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But I really...

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Pageantry helped me really refine my
vision, clarify and refine my vision for

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that and set real goals towards seeing
what I would like to see happen.

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So I started Art Love Lifestyle as my
personal art brand initially with the

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vision of maybe down the line I could have
a magazine and with that those categories

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I could fit pretty much everything that I
liked into any of those categories.

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when COVID happened that's another story
of I guess resilience through I got long

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COVID I wasn't approved to work longer
than four hour shifts so I

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was normally working 12 -hour shifts and
that ended up.

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being the starting point for me leaving
the Red Cross, actually.

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And during that time that I had COVID, I
enrolled in a personal training course, a

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nutritionist course, and launched Art Love
Lifestyle magazine.

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feel like if my husband heard this
conversation, he'd be like, so no wonder

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why you gravitate to Whitley because
you're just like her because that I mean,

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that was me like last week when I had I
had COVID like a couple weeks ago.

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And I've still been dealing with the
repercussions of it.

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And normal people would relax when they
have COVID.

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And that is when I officially actually
launched the first episodes of this

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podcast

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sitting there and doing nothing was not
something I could do.

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I'm like, you know, we're going to launch
the podcast right now.

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And he's like, you can't breathe.

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And I'm like, I don't need to breathe.

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Let's go.

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So that is ironic.

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like my husband's like, you're crazy.

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And my doctor actually did lecture me.

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So for anyone out there, take care of
yourself.

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You only have so much energy when you have
COVID and you might make yourself sicker.

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That's what my doctor was telling me.

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So yeah, so some of it might have been
detrimental to my health.

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At the same time, was another, that
completely shifted my direction.

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If I didn't have such strong restrictions,
and it forced my job also to find a way to

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replace me, because at the time I was one
of two charges, so I never would have

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left, because I would have been left my
essentially work mom.

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hang in, you know.

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But through all of that, back to your
question, all of that led to that passion.

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Entering the realms of pageantry made me
question my worthiness.

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And when I was first recruited, it was
literally the last thing that I ever would

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have expected.

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I found it hilarious actually because at
the time I had really long dreadlocks

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also, so it wasn't really the pageant
aesthetic that I imagined.

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So, but I had a lot of questioning around

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body, my curves, my stretch marks, my
excess skin, you know, like things that

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were really the man of like really taught
me about what I really saw the veil of

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beauty standards.

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It taught me a lot about also

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My experience, and I think that this
should probably be talked about more

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within, but it's hard because it involves
our families, but how our mothers pass

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their own body insecurities down onto
their children just by talking about their

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own bodies in certain ways.

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But I had to peel back all those different
layers.

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And then really what it came down to is
like, as I was like picking apart all of

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the reasons I did not belong in pageantry,
I was like, and actually maybe all of

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those things are exactly why I should go
into pageantry.

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And so that was really, that was the
defining moment for me when I went all in.

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was like, actually, think people need to
see people like me who have nerve damage

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in half of their mouth competing.

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Well, it's like, those are all the things
that going into it.

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I think that a lot of us nitpick
ourselves.

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We question our worth.

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see beauty, the beauty industry in a very
specific way.

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We have our own stereotypes that we've
bought into around it.

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And so a lot of what I've loved actually
is how pageantry has also proven me like

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not wrong, it's made me realize that no
one really fits into the stereotype in

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pageantry.

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There are people that strive toward that
stereotype sometimes, I think with a

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misperception of not being able to win
authentically.

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But that's been a big part of my mission
is both competing as an authentic person

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myself, as well as raising other authentic
women leaders in pageantry through

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coaching.

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Because I have seen, I've seen the power
of authenticity.

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People love vulnerability.

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They love authenticity.

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You can feel the genuineness and

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it's important for people to represent
authentically because really pageantry

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comes down to stage performance more than
any kind of body in reality.

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Some of you're going to have your
traditional people, but like I'm here for

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I'm like if I have a panel of.

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like ultra traditional beauty industry and
I get to talk about expanding beauty

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standards.

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That's like kind of amazing to me.

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That's perfect.

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I know I've kind of mentioned it before,
but you really were a steamroller and have

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made a huge impact already in the
pageantry community by being a visible

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title holder.

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And I know I've kind of mentioned to you
before, but I last year was at the

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International Miss Pageant, which shout
out to International Miss because it's an

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amazing system.

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But I was at that pageant watching in 2023
and obviously you were a title holder for

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2022.

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So I didn't get to see you compete in
crowns, but I did get to see you come back

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to crown your successor.

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And I remember I was sitting in the
audience and I remember this like it was

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yesterday.

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It's why I feel so drawn to this system.

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And I'm like, I don't care if it takes 10
years.

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putting their crown on my head.

336
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but I remember sitting in the audience and
I saw you on the stage and I saw you on

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the giant posters that they have out in
the front that you can take pictures on

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and I remember thinking, I know you're
huge.

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I'm like, I'm gonna be there one day.

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But I remember seeing you and going, okay,
there are so many things about her that

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are authentic and they're unique and
they're beautiful.

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you had shorter hair, which is not
something you typically see a lot of in

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pageantry.

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You see the long flowing curls, and I had
shorter hair at the time.

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I still kind of do in pageantry standards,
but you had a curvier body, and I have a

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curvier body, so I remember seeing she's
got a real body.

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She's got curves to her, not that skinny
people aren't real, but you can see that

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it's not a bought body, it's a real body.

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and you had tattoos, which was one of my
favorite things because I had it in my

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mind when I entered pageantry.

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That was one of the things that I said to
myself, like, you'll never win because you

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have a bunch of tattoos.

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And then I go to that pageant and I see
you up there and you have all your

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tattoos.

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And I was like, if they will crown
Whitley, I might have a shot in this

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system.

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And I loved seeing that because it gave a
huge sense of authenticity to

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international ms because it was

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Okay, they're not looking for just the
women who fit traditional beauty

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standards.

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They're crowning winners based off what's
in their mind, what's in their hearts, and

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they're willing to look beyond what maybe
the traditional

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standards were.

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And that was huge.

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So you really were a pioneer for at least
one woman because I don't think I would

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have dove back into the pageant industry
after my first pageant experience.

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if I hadn't had seen you, and then
ironically, you volunteered at my pageant

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00:28:08,297 --> 00:28:12,330
and I got to speak with you more, and you
are very real.

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I can say you're a very genuine person,
you're very authentic, and you come off

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that way, which is something that, like
I'm not gonna toot my own horn, but people

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have said that I'm very similar, and I
think it's the NeuroSpicy thing I really

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do, because...

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us NeuroSpicy people were just like, hey,
friend, you know, we'll start talking to

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people and sharing our stories.

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But that was like one of the huge things
was I got to spend time with you and see,

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okay, like she's a real person and she's
out there doing all these crazy things,

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you know.

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So I do wanna say thank you on a personal
level because I would not be where I am

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today checking off my goals if it wasn't
for you and what you've pioneered.

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So thank you for

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So awesome.

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Thank you.

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I feel so honored.

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like, I like it.

385
00:29:07,282 --> 00:29:09,742
No, but it's, it's, it's true.

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And it's real.

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00:29:10,582 --> 00:29:17,982
And it was, it's amazing because there
are, can relate something that you just

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said, especially to was you've been size
two to size 18.

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And that was a huge thing for me too,
because in high school, I was a size two

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and I was really small.

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And I kind of was busting into the model
modeling industry and modeling world as a,

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as

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tiny little itty bitty thing and then life
happens, right?

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And I had three kids and my body is not
what it was pre three children.

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And now I'm a size, you know, 14, 16.

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And I've had the same process that I think
you've had where you're so many sizes and

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you experience life in so many different
ways.

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You recognize the differences in not only
how you feel about yourself and what you

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see internally,

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but also how you're treated.

401
00:30:05,625 --> 00:30:10,214
mean, a lot of people don't like talking
about it, but there is differences in how

402
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you're treated depending on how you look.

403
00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:18,626
So I think it's definitely, it's so
important that you're out here pushing in

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the pageantry world and beyond for
different beauty standards because the

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average size of American women is up in
the 14, 16 range.

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00:30:28,826 --> 00:30:34,206
It's no longer like it was back in
probably the 50s where everybody was a

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size two, four.

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00:30:35,206 --> 00:30:37,326
It's just not like that anymore.

409
00:30:37,326 --> 00:30:39,820
So seeing more women that have.

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post -baby bodies and that are out there
with stretch marks and scars and all of

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that is really important, I think, for the
pageantry world and the world in general,

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especially because we have systems like
Miss USA that are now lifting age

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restrictions, they're lifting marital
status restrictions, and they're saying,

414
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you know, come one, come all, come
compete.

415
00:31:07,318 --> 00:31:09,068
So I think it's important.

416
00:31:09,068 --> 00:31:15,867
for pioneers like yourself to be out there
that are still pushing that envelope.

417
00:31:15,867 --> 00:31:18,510
Visibility is the word that comes to mind.

418
00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:23,036
Yeah, yeah, I'm so glad that that's
happened.

419
00:31:23,036 --> 00:31:31,456
know that there's questionable intentions
behind the scenes, but I kind of see it as

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a win -win either way.

421
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:41,744
I feel like we're seriously limiting our
vision of beauty through trying to keep a

422
00:31:41,744 --> 00:31:45,685
very specific aesthetic of beauty.

423
00:31:45,745 --> 00:31:50,928
If you go across cultures, like you can
really see how beauty is defined in

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00:31:50,928 --> 00:31:54,219
different ways across different cultures.

425
00:31:54,219 --> 00:31:57,661
And those beauty standards are impactful
in every

426
00:31:57,661 --> 00:31:58,311
No

427
00:32:00,177 --> 00:32:01,287
beauty standard is.

428
00:32:01,287 --> 00:32:04,069
The beauty standard itself is limiting of
beauty.

429
00:32:04,069 --> 00:32:11,402
And so we could all use, I feel like, more
influence from one another, even

430
00:32:11,402 --> 00:32:16,324
understanding even just different cultural
views around beauty.

431
00:32:16,424 --> 00:32:22,177
My favorite question to ask everybody is,
you know, what true beauty is to them,

432
00:32:22,177 --> 00:32:28,850
because I ask that like for the magazine
all the time, because I love doing part of

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how I like

434
00:32:32,004 --> 00:32:37,988
elevate underrepresented voices is through
featuring people both in print and then on

435
00:32:37,988 --> 00:32:50,536
the runway and giving voice to models of
all shape sizes, backgrounds, abilities.

436
00:32:50,536 --> 00:32:52,965
So,

437
00:32:52,965 --> 00:32:57,606
But seeing everybody's different view of
beauty, it really is defined so

438
00:32:57,606 --> 00:33:00,307
differently from person to person.

439
00:33:00,307 --> 00:33:04,908
And it's beautiful to look through
people's eyes and lens of beauty.

440
00:33:05,588 --> 00:33:10,230
And it helps expand your own because
you're seeing it through different

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00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:11,470
people's eyes.

442
00:33:11,470 --> 00:33:14,451
Nobody's view of beauty is wrong.

443
00:33:14,891 --> 00:33:18,982
You know, like we like to see beautiful
things naturally as humans.

444
00:33:18,982 --> 00:33:22,293
Like our eyes really been self -correct to

445
00:33:23,141 --> 00:33:26,213
to try to make things more beautiful than
they are.

446
00:33:26,213 --> 00:33:32,607
That's something we learn about in art
class because your eyes will start doing

447
00:33:32,607 --> 00:33:38,591
things like creating symmetry where
there's not symmetry and creating shapes

448
00:33:38,591 --> 00:33:44,454
to emphasize certain angles and things
like that.

449
00:33:45,315 --> 00:33:47,476
So they teach you tricks with how

450
00:33:48,109 --> 00:33:52,518
learn how to do the opposite but I don't I
think it's inherent in art.

451
00:33:53,175 --> 00:33:56,987
in our humanity to want to see beautiful
things.

452
00:33:57,307 --> 00:34:02,409
But I think we're limiting our views of
beauty and like we there's so much beauty

453
00:34:02,409 --> 00:34:07,092
beyond the standards that I would love to
see emphasized.

454
00:34:07,092 --> 00:34:13,274
Like I'm not against seeing beauty through
different standards, I guess.

455
00:34:14,055 --> 00:34:21,168
I think that but I think my intention
would be to have it expand as an expansive

456
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practice

457
00:34:22,193 --> 00:34:26,327
in order to further create a standard.

458
00:34:26,327 --> 00:34:30,039
It's more to just, yeah, expand the
standards.

459
00:34:30,802 --> 00:34:32,503
I love that.

460
00:34:32,503 --> 00:34:40,629
And something that I feel like can aid
that too, or something to point out, I

461
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:46,992
guess, is for women that are competing
that aren't necessarily the beauty

462
00:34:46,992 --> 00:34:50,156
standard is that, passion tree is so
subjective.

463
00:34:50,156 --> 00:34:55,259
I mean, it really is such a subjective,
and I know this from judging, I know

464
00:34:55,259 --> 00:34:59,772
you've recently been judging, and when
you're sitting in that judge's table,

465
00:34:59,772 --> 00:35:05,965
I feel like it really helps you in a lot
of ways as a competitor because you're put

466
00:35:05,965 --> 00:35:11,629
in a hot seat and you're going, okay, what
am I looking for as a judge?

467
00:35:11,629 --> 00:35:16,381
And so you start to critique the girls
that you're judging and then you walk away

468
00:35:16,381 --> 00:35:22,074
and you go, okay, well I was looking for
these things, but what I may be looking

469
00:35:22,074 --> 00:35:24,465
for is different than what you're looking
for.

470
00:35:24,465 --> 00:35:29,338
So it's something that I think everybody
needs to be reminded and I wish they

471
00:35:29,527 --> 00:35:31,794
say that almost at every

472
00:35:31,827 --> 00:35:38,560
more purposefully to have a different
focus too.

473
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:45,075
to a lot, yeah, like some, a lot of panels
are put together as like someone who will

474
00:35:45,075 --> 00:35:49,119
be like hyper focusing on model, one
person who's hyper focusing on modeling,

475
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:53,933
someone who works for a news station
that's gonna be thinking all about that

476
00:35:53,933 --> 00:35:57,546
interview and those concise responses.

477
00:35:57,546 --> 00:36:04,428
You're gonna have your former queens who
have done the job and they're like.

478
00:36:04,428 --> 00:36:12,840
tell me what you think this job is
thinking.

479
00:36:12,861 --> 00:36:19,292
But that's where the beauty of judging is,
that also you see like, I see how they put

480
00:36:19,292 --> 00:36:19,953
this together.

481
00:36:19,953 --> 00:36:27,625
And then you can also, you learn from the
different judges themselves just by how

482
00:36:27,625 --> 00:36:31,298
they are as people.

483
00:36:31,298 --> 00:36:37,318
then you also learn from just seeing
people back to back to back.

484
00:36:37,318 --> 00:36:41,538
And yeah, a lot of perspective, but there
are definitely things that you start

485
00:36:41,538 --> 00:36:43,918
seeing, you're like, oh, okay.

486
00:36:44,478 --> 00:36:49,618
Cause you start figuring out to like, this
is my 10, this is my nine, this is my

487
00:36:49,618 --> 00:36:50,858
eight.

488
00:36:51,258 --> 00:36:54,738
Judging this is a weird thing.

489
00:36:54,738 --> 00:36:59,380
And yeah, it's like sometimes even where
you fall in line.

490
00:36:59,380 --> 00:37:04,195
It can work and I feel like hopefully it
would work more in your advantage than

491
00:37:04,737 --> 00:37:12,200
not, but you know, if the judges don't
know what they're.

492
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,894
what they're looking for, I guess, what
their standard is.

493
00:37:15,894 --> 00:37:20,378
Yeah, if they're just kinda willy -nilly
throwing numbers out there, which I have

494
00:37:20,378 --> 00:37:25,094
seen also as a judge, know, one person
will be like, I like to dress more than

495
00:37:25,094 --> 00:37:32,970
the other, scribble, and then put a
number, and you're just like, mm.

496
00:37:32,970 --> 00:37:38,103
Yeah, but I think it's just, yeah, it just
teaches, I feel like it's all a social

497
00:37:38,103 --> 00:37:38,853
experience.

498
00:37:38,853 --> 00:37:43,926
Like that's how I kind of treat so much of
life is like, it's just, you you, cause

499
00:37:43,926 --> 00:37:45,477
you're going to have different
perspectives.

500
00:37:45,477 --> 00:37:49,178
You're going to have judges that are some
that are more emotional, some that are

501
00:37:49,178 --> 00:37:59,745
more like logical and, tangible minded
that you're, so a lot of it really is

502
00:37:59,745 --> 00:38:02,698
subjective and.

503
00:38:02,698 --> 00:38:06,912
as strategy, I just try to be real and fit
in all of those things if possible.

504
00:38:06,912 --> 00:38:13,128
Like, here's some tangible things and
here's some emotional things.

505
00:38:13,598 --> 00:38:15,605
Mwahahahaha!

506
00:38:17,128 --> 00:38:22,190
feel like that's smart though because one
of the things that I've noticed, at least

507
00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:28,101
for me as an individual, is if I'm
authentic and I'm myself, I'm way more

508
00:38:28,101 --> 00:38:30,082
confident and comfortable.

509
00:38:30,082 --> 00:38:35,684
And that's a huge thing is when I go into
something, if I'm trying to fit a mold or

510
00:38:35,684 --> 00:38:40,305
I'm trying to fit a rubric or I'm trying
to fit what I think they want, you're

511
00:38:40,305 --> 00:38:43,445
gonna see right through me because I...

512
00:38:43,486 --> 00:38:44,566
Can I be polished?

513
00:38:44,566 --> 00:38:45,447
Absolutely.

514
00:38:45,447 --> 00:38:46,438
Can I be eloquent?

515
00:38:46,438 --> 00:38:47,729
Absolutely.

516
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:50,792
But I'm always gonna be real and I'm
always gonna be kind of goofy.

517
00:38:50,792 --> 00:38:56,326
So I come in with authenticity because the
way I look at it, you're either gonna

518
00:38:56,326 --> 00:39:00,960
crown me because you like me or crown me
or don't crown me if you don't like me.

519
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,855
But I'm not gonna come in as something
else because my reign, you're not gonna

520
00:39:06,855 --> 00:39:10,057
get that version of me that presented
differently.

521
00:39:10,057 --> 00:39:13,534
I look at it like if I'm reigning for a
year,

522
00:39:13,534 --> 00:39:20,994
What you see is what you get So I feel
like the authentic Message that you give

523
00:39:20,994 --> 00:39:27,014
is really important for women to hear
because if you can't keep it up 24 7 for

524
00:39:27,014 --> 00:39:29,974
365 don't do it

525
00:39:30,249 --> 00:39:34,711
Yeah, well, and if you're not being
authentic to you're going to if you're

526
00:39:34,711 --> 00:39:37,833
trying to present as something different
than you are, then you're going to be

527
00:39:37,833 --> 00:39:46,017
attracting people toward this image of
you, not toward like your people too.

528
00:39:46,017 --> 00:39:49,042
So.

529
00:39:49,042 --> 00:39:52,266
make sense.

530
00:39:52,266 --> 00:39:56,501
What would you say your definition of
confidence is?

531
00:39:56,501 --> 00:40:02,038
If you could speak to girls and women
right now and give your version of

532
00:40:02,038 --> 00:40:07,688
confidence and how you define it, what
would you say it is?

533
00:40:07,688 --> 00:40:19,550
say confidence is stepping into your goals
and practice or confidence comes through

534
00:40:19,631 --> 00:40:26,622
experience and practice so whether you
feel that right now or not

535
00:40:26,622 --> 00:40:32,430
it can come through just practice and
experience and just try.

536
00:40:32,932 --> 00:40:36,298
Sometimes it's just a trust that it's
coming.

537
00:40:36,298 --> 00:40:41,186
Like I know for me,

538
00:40:41,186 --> 00:40:49,621
confidence really stems from within and
it's a mindset over matter thing more than

539
00:40:49,621 --> 00:40:50,831
anything.

540
00:40:51,812 --> 00:40:59,396
But I do think that it has served me in
the past too.

541
00:41:00,377 --> 00:41:11,358
When I, if I don't feel confident to try
to imagine or almost

542
00:41:11,358 --> 00:41:15,568
embody someone else that is like Beyonce.

543
00:41:18,186 --> 00:41:26,640
I love that you said this though, because
a huge part of my, I've recently launched

544
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:32,932
a confidence workshop and I define my
confidence building workshop by the word

545
00:41:32,932 --> 00:41:36,494
self, which is an acronym for four
different things.

546
00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:40,335
And you just hit two of those things on
the head.

547
00:41:40,335 --> 00:41:44,857
So self care is number one, because if
you're not taking care of yourself, then

548
00:41:44,857 --> 00:41:47,268
you're not going to be confident.

549
00:41:47,410 --> 00:41:49,962
The second one is exercising your skills.

550
00:41:49,962 --> 00:41:53,135
So practice, which was a key thing of what
you just said.

551
00:41:53,135 --> 00:41:54,817
Practice, practice, practice.

552
00:41:54,817 --> 00:42:00,522
Listen to positivity is L and then F is
fake it till you make it.

553
00:42:00,522 --> 00:42:04,317
And I feel like that is a huge part of
what you just said.

554
00:42:04,317 --> 00:42:11,560
say that exact phrase and I was thinking I
don't have enough to cliche to say.

555
00:42:12,448 --> 00:42:14,549
That's like...

556
00:42:14,802 --> 00:42:20,345
It really is it's like if you don't have
confidence, just embody confidence from

557
00:42:20,345 --> 00:42:27,688
something else because like if I sometimes
before stepping on stage, all the voices

558
00:42:27,688 --> 00:42:31,250
come in your head that shouldn't be there.

559
00:42:31,250 --> 00:42:36,232
So you might not feel the most confident
right in that moment sometimes but if you

560
00:42:36,232 --> 00:42:43,736
are like, I am Beyonce, you go on you're
like, I am Beyonce.

561
00:42:43,736 --> 00:42:45,136
So it can

562
00:42:45,277 --> 00:42:50,122
And then you feel more confident after
because you were able to achieve it to

563
00:42:50,122 --> 00:42:52,892
then get those wins to through it.

564
00:42:52,892 --> 00:42:56,507
Yeah, you walk off stage with like such a
high too.

565
00:42:56,507 --> 00:42:59,191
You're like, I just did that.

566
00:42:59,191 --> 00:43:03,497
So even if you didn't walk on feeling like
Beyonce, a lot of times I feel like you

567
00:43:03,497 --> 00:43:06,320
walk off and you're like, I just did that.

568
00:43:08,804 --> 00:43:09,388
So that

569
00:43:09,388 --> 00:43:15,103
I love your four pillars of confidence

570
00:43:15,103 --> 00:43:15,873
Thank you.

571
00:43:15,873 --> 00:43:21,226
Yeah, I just, I made the whole concept for
the workshop.

572
00:43:21,226 --> 00:43:28,389
I've been debuting it in my community
already and I'm seeing, I love doing these

573
00:43:28,389 --> 00:43:33,412
interviews because I'm seeing such a
common thread in almost every woman that

574
00:43:33,412 --> 00:43:35,032
comes on this podcast.

575
00:43:35,032 --> 00:43:38,844
When I ask them that question, I get one
of the four.

576
00:43:38,844 --> 00:43:42,837
And I'm just like, I have this internal
moment of yes, you're onto something

577
00:43:42,837 --> 00:43:45,219
because it just kind of lines up.

578
00:43:45,219 --> 00:43:49,631
So I love that you said that because that
is one of the things actually that I

579
00:43:49,631 --> 00:43:53,794
haven't heard anybody say is that kind of
fake it till you make it mentality.

580
00:43:53,794 --> 00:43:57,367
And it sounds kind of funny when you're
saying like, I'm trying to teach you how

581
00:43:57,367 --> 00:43:59,709
to be confident, just fake it.

582
00:43:59,709 --> 00:44:04,692
It's as people that are very much like be
authentic, you know, it's kind of opposite

583
00:44:04,692 --> 00:44:06,934
of that almost for a second.

584
00:44:06,934 --> 00:44:08,074
But I feel

585
00:44:08,082 --> 00:44:12,435
I know I'm gonna walk on stage with Taylor
Swift's I Can Do It With A Broken Heart,

586
00:44:12,435 --> 00:44:13,836
like playing in my head.

587
00:44:13,836 --> 00:44:20,842
Like that's gonna be probably my stage
mental song because baby gotta fake it

588
00:44:20,842 --> 00:44:23,674
till you make it and it's so accurate.

589
00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:29,352
As far as stage confidence, I think having
like, just like you said, like the

590
00:44:29,352 --> 00:44:35,184
repetition aspect, but like having a stage
song, I know that helps me too, because

591
00:44:35,184 --> 00:44:40,496
then also you get that song in your head
no matter what plays.

592
00:44:41,298 --> 00:44:43,519
Yeah.

593
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:50,311
Yeah, I think officially Taylor Swift is
gonna be my mental stage song for this

594
00:44:50,311 --> 00:44:50,701
year.

595
00:44:50,701 --> 00:44:54,922
I don't know what it'll be next year, but
I'll be playing that on repeat in my head.

596
00:44:54,922 --> 00:44:59,163
So I can do it with a broken heart.

597
00:45:00,343 --> 00:45:05,115
That is gonna be the song that is just
playing, because I'm gonna be like, we're

598
00:45:05,115 --> 00:45:10,005
gonna go out there, and a huge part

599
00:45:10,366 --> 00:45:15,399
Pageantry that I've noticed with myself
the biggest thing I struggle with is

600
00:45:15,399 --> 00:45:18,691
Imposter syndrome, which is terrible.

601
00:45:18,691 --> 00:45:24,654
I hate imposter syndrome, but it's such a
Real thing.

602
00:45:24,654 --> 00:45:29,877
Absolutely, you know I I struggled a lot
with last year being my first pageant and

603
00:45:29,877 --> 00:45:37,101
seeing all of these women and Going how
the heck did I get a seat at this table?

604
00:45:37,101 --> 00:45:38,631
Like how did I pull this off?

605
00:45:38,631 --> 00:45:40,182
I don't know how I pulled this

606
00:45:40,286 --> 00:45:42,786
And I had to kind of fake my way through
it.

607
00:45:42,786 --> 00:45:47,806
And I remember at that pageant, I got top
20, which was awesome for my first

608
00:45:47,806 --> 00:45:48,286
pageant.

609
00:45:48,286 --> 00:45:53,246
But the biggest thing that I walked away
with was the Iconic Impact Award and the

610
00:45:53,246 --> 00:45:54,986
recognition for what I did back at home.

611
00:45:54,986 --> 00:45:58,146
And I remember thinking like, this is
better than winning for me.

612
00:45:58,146 --> 00:46:03,686
Because it was so validating internally of
all the work that I did leading up to the

613
00:46:03,686 --> 00:46:04,386
pageant.

614
00:46:04,386 --> 00:46:06,966
And I went, okay, I earned that seat.

615
00:46:06,966 --> 00:46:09,038
You know, that was an award that

616
00:46:09,038 --> 00:46:10,199
earned that seat.

617
00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:15,904
And now for international ms, I'm still
carrying on that legacy, but I'm still

618
00:46:15,904 --> 00:46:18,106
struggling with that imposter syndrome.

619
00:46:18,106 --> 00:46:22,921
I mean, I'm looking and I have to stay off
social media sometimes because I'm like,

620
00:46:22,921 --> 00:46:29,336
my God, this woman is a doctor that speaks
six languages and she's beautiful and holy

621
00:46:29,336 --> 00:46:29,857
cow.

622
00:46:29,857 --> 00:46:35,610
And my gosh, this woman is traveling the
world and she has a successful brand.

623
00:46:35,610 --> 00:46:41,937
and this woman is running this company
that all of these other pageant queens are

624
00:46:41,937 --> 00:46:48,324
involved with and it's like, holy crap,
you start to think and then I have to kind

625
00:46:48,324 --> 00:46:53,891
of fake it in my head and I'm just like, I
come in, I sit in this chair and I'm like,

626
00:46:53,891 --> 00:46:54,562
you know what?

627
00:46:54,562 --> 00:46:59,998
They don't have a throne.

628
00:46:59,998 --> 00:47:01,079
Exactly.

629
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:03,119
Well, and everyone is so different.

630
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:08,242
And like the thing about International Ms
is really everyone is so accomplished.

631
00:47:08,242 --> 00:47:17,746
So like going into it so much as just like
enjoying and being like, wow, I'm with

632
00:47:17,746 --> 00:47:22,348
like some of the most powerhouse women in
all of the world.

633
00:47:23,751 --> 00:47:28,223
It's so empowering being among those
women.

634
00:47:28,223 --> 00:47:31,484
Because you get in that mindset sometimes
where you're like, imposter syndrome kicks

635
00:47:31,484 --> 00:47:34,676
in and you're like, how the heck am I
going to pull this off?

636
00:47:34,676 --> 00:47:38,207
But then you start to think, I'm with
these women.

637
00:47:38,207 --> 00:47:40,688
Like, I'm in the same room as these women.

638
00:47:40,688 --> 00:47:43,419
And you kind of have to flip how you're
thinking.

639
00:47:43,419 --> 00:47:47,691
And then all of sudden, you find yourself
going, OK, you know, like, I'm going to

640
00:47:47,691 --> 00:47:50,512
learn something from each one of these
women.

641
00:47:50,566 --> 00:47:55,400
And something that a friend of mine said
at my last pageant when I was battling

642
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,464
with the imposter syndrome, because being
in pageantry, it's hard to beat at first.

643
00:48:00,464 --> 00:48:04,017
I feel like that is one of those things
where you're not expecting it and then it

644
00:48:04,017 --> 00:48:05,458
lurches at you.

645
00:48:05,458 --> 00:48:11,864
And she said something along the lines of
a rose and a sunflower are both beautiful

646
00:48:11,864 --> 00:48:15,046
flowers, they're just different in their
own ways.

647
00:48:15,398 --> 00:48:19,854
And I loved that, that stuck with me
because when I start to fall into that

648
00:48:19,854 --> 00:48:23,148
trap, I'm just like, she's a Rosemum
sunflower.

649
00:48:23,148 --> 00:48:25,589
Namaste.

650
00:48:25,658 --> 00:48:26,952
I love that so

651
00:48:27,023 --> 00:48:34,088
what type of tips would you give for
someone like myself or someone else that

652
00:48:34,088 --> 00:48:34,978
is struggling?

653
00:48:34,978 --> 00:48:40,072
Is it really boil down to that fake it
till you make it and just, you know,

654
00:48:40,072 --> 00:48:45,481
taking away what you can from

655
00:48:45,481 --> 00:48:52,989
Well, a lot, I think along the lines

656
00:48:52,989 --> 00:48:58,213
not necessarily fake it till you make it,
but drawing inspiration and like looking

657
00:48:58,213 --> 00:49:02,417
for inspiration, I think is very key.

658
00:49:02,417 --> 00:49:06,810
Looking for the lessons that you're
supposed to learn through every situation.

659
00:49:06,810 --> 00:49:11,184
Like we talked about it on like a deeper
level with like near -death experiences,

660
00:49:11,184 --> 00:49:19,821
but also from, you know, smaller things
and even small refinements in performance,

661
00:49:19,821 --> 00:49:23,655
in interview, in...

662
00:49:23,655 --> 00:49:31,977
any kind of, really any kind of, whether
it's work, whether

663
00:49:31,977 --> 00:49:36,959
in family, wherever you put your energy
and your focus, that is going to grow.

664
00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:41,492
like, I know that's a saying as well, but
it's really true.

665
00:49:41,492 --> 00:49:44,813
Like you're drawing attention to that
matter.

666
00:49:44,813 --> 00:49:51,026
If you're focusing on your health, you're
going to be more aware of ways that you

667
00:49:51,026 --> 00:49:55,288
are either hurting or benefiting your
health.

668
00:49:55,388 --> 00:49:58,689
So that awareness is really key.

669
00:49:58,870 --> 00:50:01,481
I think getting real with yourself

670
00:50:01,481 --> 00:50:06,245
and being humble is a good, genuine trait.

671
00:50:06,245 --> 00:50:12,549
And I think a lot of imposter syndrome
sometimes is born out of almost a little

672
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:16,322
too much humility.

673
00:50:16,322 --> 00:50:23,327
But it's also a self questioning of worth
and of

674
00:50:26,607 --> 00:50:31,629
And so something that I find with anything
like, you know, me and my compassionate

675
00:50:31,629 --> 00:50:35,069
leadership thing, but a lot

676
00:50:35,069 --> 00:50:42,673
what the whole theory around that goes
from shifting from focusing on the problem

677
00:50:42,673 --> 00:50:44,934
to focusing on solutions.

678
00:50:44,934 --> 00:50:50,806
If you shift your empathy and turn that
into action, that starts to alleviate any

679
00:50:50,806 --> 00:50:55,959
of those feelings because you're starting
to take action toward those goals.

680
00:50:56,399 --> 00:51:05,023
you are feeling, and it also shifts the
energy of empathy or like

681
00:51:05,215 --> 00:51:13,091
fatigue if you shift it toward the
alleviating part then it starts shifting

682
00:51:13,091 --> 00:51:22,629
from a stressful a stressful thing to a
positive dopamine fulfilling activity

683
00:51:22,629 --> 00:51:35,160
instead but I also think you can be
strategic around your

684
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,623
mental health, your own confidence.

685
00:51:37,623 --> 00:51:43,542
I think making plans, I think when you're
in a good state, is one of the better

686
00:51:43,542 --> 00:51:47,116
things for any type of plan.

687
00:51:47,925 --> 00:51:55,458
Like I just wrote an article or a blog for
both my magazine, also for still she rose

688
00:51:55,458 --> 00:52:01,101
around research based strategies of
overcoming suicidal ideation.

689
00:52:01,101 --> 00:52:04,806
I know that's a that's a deep topic, but.

690
00:52:04,806 --> 00:52:06,171
that though.

691
00:52:06,601 --> 00:52:12,927
you know, a big part of that is setting a
suicide prevention plan while you're in a

692
00:52:12,927 --> 00:52:16,230
good state, because you know yourself the
best too.

693
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:23,247
So like, you know, your triggers also
around what's causing imposter syndrome

694
00:52:23,247 --> 00:52:29,593
even like, you know, there's, you know,
what's making me feel either not worthy or

695
00:52:29,593 --> 00:52:33,267
not enough or

696
00:52:33,267 --> 00:52:39,640
that something might not be the fuller
vision of what your big vision is.

697
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:44,482
And so, you know, I feel like a lot of
that's that is you want to be at your

698
00:52:44,482 --> 00:52:48,924
bigger vision when really you're like at
these like baby steps up to that big

699
00:52:48,924 --> 00:52:49,665
vision.

700
00:52:49,665 --> 00:52:54,567
And because you're not here and you're
like at a baby step, even though

701
00:52:54,567 --> 00:52:59,349
everybody's like, my God, like, cause to
them, like your baby steps like up here.

702
00:52:59,349 --> 00:53:03,281
they're like, well, she's done.

703
00:53:03,281 --> 00:53:06,039
And you're like, I'm just at this baby
step down here.

704
00:53:08,406 --> 00:53:14,187
I feel like that's a great perspective
though, because a lot of times, a lot of

705
00:53:14,187 --> 00:53:16,948
us do downplay our achievements.

706
00:53:16,948 --> 00:53:19,949
I feel like that's such a broad spectrum.

707
00:53:19,949 --> 00:53:26,060
You have the people that downplay their
achievements and they practice humility to

708
00:53:26,060 --> 00:53:26,911
a fault.

709
00:53:26,911 --> 00:53:30,262
And then you have the people that are on
the other end of the spectrum that you

710
00:53:30,262 --> 00:53:34,483
don't want to be at either because nobody
really wants to be around one of those

711
00:53:34,483 --> 00:53:35,217
people.

712
00:53:35,217 --> 00:53:40,803
So feel like finding that balance that is
an amazing point that people need to hear

713
00:53:40,803 --> 00:53:46,409
is your baby step might be a huge step to
somebody else.

714
00:53:46,409 --> 00:53:49,993
And that's a really positive way to look

715
00:53:50,238 --> 00:53:56,072
of the time where you're at is also an
answer to a former dream that you had as

716
00:53:56,072 --> 00:53:56,332
well.

717
00:53:56,332 --> 00:54:03,498
So that I know helps me find gratitude in
my personal situations, even amongst

718
00:54:03,498 --> 00:54:05,499
challenges.

719
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:12,064
But, you know, there's a couple of mantras
that feel like that.

720
00:54:12,064 --> 00:54:20,072
help and it's yeah reminders and mantras
but you know through the challenges I try

721
00:54:20,072 --> 00:54:24,917
to just remind myself that that's what's
going to give me the lessons that I need

722
00:54:24,917 --> 00:54:32,115
to get to where I want to be and where I'm
at it was at one point what I dreamed of

723
00:54:32,115 --> 00:54:34,827
so

724
00:54:34,827 --> 00:54:42,042
is, I feel like that is such a huge
insight and I love that because it can

725
00:54:42,042 --> 00:54:45,054
bring you back down to earth and kind of
open your eyes.

726
00:54:45,054 --> 00:54:51,888
know, I even just having this podcast is
something that, you know, somebody else

727
00:54:51,888 --> 00:54:53,399
might hear, she's got a podcast.

728
00:54:53,399 --> 00:54:54,180
That's really cool.

729
00:54:54,180 --> 00:54:58,402
And in my mind, I'm just like, I just have
this small little podcast, you know, I

730
00:54:58,402 --> 00:54:59,529
downplay

731
00:54:59,529 --> 00:55:02,401
And then someone else might be going, I
had someone the other day that said, you

732
00:55:02,401 --> 00:55:04,183
know, I've really been wanting to do a
podcast.

733
00:55:04,183 --> 00:55:06,775
Maybe I'll get with you and you can show
me how you did it.

734
00:55:06,775 --> 00:55:08,957
And I'm thinking, you want to learn from
me?

735
00:55:08,957 --> 00:55:10,138
That's amazing.

736
00:55:10,138 --> 00:55:12,860
So I feel like I needed that perspective,
definitely.

737
00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:18,545
You helped me with that because just a
couple of weeks ago, I was terrified of

738
00:55:18,545 --> 00:55:19,766
launching this podcast.

739
00:55:19,766 --> 00:55:24,590
I'm like, how do I hook my computer to my
camera, to my microphone system and the

740
00:55:24,590 --> 00:55:26,061
lights and how do I do this?

741
00:55:26,061 --> 00:55:28,383
And now I've got people asking me

742
00:55:28,383 --> 00:55:29,516
How do I launch podcasts?

743
00:55:29,516 --> 00:55:32,411
I'm like, come to my TED talk.

744
00:55:33,175 --> 00:55:35,240
I've got you.

745
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:37,859
So that's an amazing insight.

746
00:55:37,859 --> 00:55:41,440
You'll have to make a tutorial because now
I want to learn.

747
00:55:42,612 --> 00:55:43,322
I got you.

748
00:55:43,322 --> 00:55:48,683
I feel like I'm learning the ropes for
everybody and I can tell you what to do

749
00:55:48,683 --> 00:55:50,033
and not to do.

750
00:55:50,414 --> 00:55:55,945
I can tell you that the first time that
you go on Amazon and you search your name

751
00:55:55,945 --> 00:56:01,017
in something, I'm sure art, like authors
have this all the time where they find

752
00:56:01,017 --> 00:56:02,957
their book on Amazon and they're like, my
God.

753
00:56:02,957 --> 00:56:06,968
But for me, was going on Amazon and
searching and finding my podcast on

754
00:56:06,968 --> 00:56:07,529
Amazon.

755
00:56:07,529 --> 00:56:09,398
I was

756
00:56:10,144 --> 00:56:15,826
on Amazon so I could definitely type
something out to help everybody.

757
00:56:15,826 --> 00:56:19,667
love that.

758
00:56:19,667 --> 00:56:26,961
So I'm going to switch gears because both
of us are in an amazing organization or

759
00:56:26,961 --> 00:56:31,754
ambassadors for an amazing organization,
the Still She Rose Initiative.

760
00:56:31,754 --> 00:56:34,845
And coincidentally, we are both the month
of October.

761
00:56:34,845 --> 00:56:40,378
So we're going to be the ambassadors for
October together.

762
00:56:40,378 --> 00:56:42,279
October is a great month.

763
00:56:43,637 --> 00:56:46,568
know you have so many things going for
you.

764
00:56:46,568 --> 00:56:51,530
You've got the magazine, you've got, you
know, True Beauty, you've got all of these

765
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:56,053
things that are going on and that you work
with and you advocate for.

766
00:56:56,573 --> 00:57:01,936
What can we expect to see out of you for
your year as the Still She Rose

767
00:57:01,936 --> 00:57:02,626
ambassador?

768
00:57:02,626 --> 00:57:06,058
Is there anything you've already got like
cooking in that brain of yours?

769
00:57:06,058 --> 00:57:08,389
Like this is what I want to tackle.

770
00:57:09,013 --> 00:57:11,866
I'm, you'll definitely see a lot more
blogs for me.

771
00:57:11,866 --> 00:57:20,563
It's something, cause I write a lot of
articles for the magazine and especially,

772
00:57:20,563 --> 00:57:28,571
yeah, I'm like, all of it really kind of,
every issue I have something that applies.

773
00:57:28,571 --> 00:57:35,006
So I'll be taking some of the things that
I wrote about from,

774
00:57:35,689 --> 00:57:39,924
different things and tailoring it to Still
She Rose.

775
00:57:39,924 --> 00:57:43,827
So I'll be doing, yeah, kind of a blog
series.

776
00:57:44,208 --> 00:57:51,405
I do have some things cooking that I
cannot talk about quite yet, but yes,

777
00:57:51,405 --> 00:57:55,159
there will be things coming down the line.

778
00:57:55,460 --> 00:57:56,809
I do also have...

779
00:57:56,809 --> 00:58:02,173
hey Whitley, you need to come back on here
and we need to talk about this thing you

780
00:58:02,173 --> 00:58:04,286
just launched.

781
00:58:05,701 --> 00:58:11,024
I'm very excited about an upcoming project
with Still She Rose.

782
00:58:13,626 --> 00:58:22,511
And I will also though be releasing a
compassionate leadership handbook and

783
00:58:22,511 --> 00:58:24,031
guided journal.

784
00:58:24,092 --> 00:58:28,054
So that's some exciting things.

785
00:58:28,054 --> 00:58:30,295
I've had those like I have

786
00:58:31,145 --> 00:58:39,942
and my ADHD brain, multiple books in the
works at simultaneously, depending on what

787
00:58:39,942 --> 00:58:44,900
I'm inspired by in that moment.

788
00:58:44,900 --> 00:58:45,671
Same!

789
00:58:45,671 --> 00:58:53,343
I have two manuscripts that I'm writing at
the same time right now, so I relate!

790
00:58:53,343 --> 00:59:00,837
Yeah, but I'm gonna be like honing in on
like actually completing a couple of those

791
00:59:00,837 --> 00:59:04,469
at least and getting those out.

792
00:59:04,689 --> 00:59:10,503
I'm also going to be part of, I'm a co
-author in a book called Raining Resilient

793
00:59:10,503 --> 00:59:11,273
Queens.

794
00:59:11,273 --> 00:59:17,617
And so that will be coming out in the
fall.

795
00:59:17,617 --> 00:59:20,158
So that's exciting.

796
00:59:20,158 --> 00:59:21,063
And then,

797
00:59:21,063 --> 00:59:24,200
will be definitely reading

798
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,160
Yeah, I'm excited.

799
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:29,642
Yeah, it's different women from all
different backgrounds sharing their

800
00:59:29,642 --> 00:59:34,404
stories of resilience.

801
00:59:34,404 --> 00:59:38,315
there are everybody has a powerful story
and they're all so different.

802
00:59:38,315 --> 00:59:42,767
So it's a really neat project to be able
to be a part of.

803
00:59:42,767 --> 00:59:44,998
We just went to Colorado.

804
00:59:44,998 --> 00:59:46,519
We did our Queen's shoot there.

805
00:59:46,519 --> 00:59:50,757
And for all.

806
00:59:50,757 --> 00:59:52,542
love that state.

807
00:59:52,573 --> 00:59:58,869
No, authors, Yeah, I love Colorado too.

808
00:59:58,869 --> 01:00:00,740
It was the shortest trip though.

809
01:00:00,740 --> 01:00:08,905
I wish that I could have gone longer, but
next time.

810
01:00:08,905 --> 01:00:14,263
I think that those are like the biggest
things upcoming other than New York

811
01:00:14,263 --> 01:00:15,244
Fashion Week.

812
01:00:15,244 --> 01:00:16,084
yet.

813
01:00:16,296 --> 01:00:24,991
We might have to trade the podcast lessons
for the how do I publish my book lessons

814
01:00:24,991 --> 01:00:29,813
because I have my first book literally
written on my laptop and I'm like okay I

815
01:00:29,813 --> 01:00:34,726
have this idea and I've got it written and
I just need to get it illustrated and

816
01:00:34,726 --> 01:00:39,048
published because it's a children's book
and I'm like at that point where I'm like

817
01:00:39,489 --> 01:00:41,400
how do I do this?

818
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,400
So we'll trade lessons.

819
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:44,903
Yes, definitely.

820
01:00:44,903 --> 01:00:46,525
I can help you with

821
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:48,760
Queen supporting queens.

822
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:53,991
That is like one of my favorite things
about pageantry in general is you meet so

823
01:00:53,991 --> 01:00:54,831
many women.

824
01:00:54,831 --> 01:01:01,603
I know still she rose one of the amazing
queens that is another ambassador on there

825
01:01:01,603 --> 01:01:02,334
posted.

826
01:01:02,334 --> 01:01:06,865
She was talking about her book in one of
the workshops that we had and I went on

827
01:01:06,865 --> 01:01:11,186
Amazon right away and I bought the last
copy and I was like, girl, I got your last

828
01:01:11,186 --> 01:01:12,987
copy.

829
01:01:12,987 --> 01:01:14,267
And I had.

830
01:01:14,329 --> 01:01:17,832
a queen reach out to me today that I've
been friends with since high school and

831
01:01:17,832 --> 01:01:22,296
she's like, I just bought tickets to go to
your pageant in September.

832
01:01:22,296 --> 01:01:23,527
And I'm like, my gosh.

833
01:01:23,527 --> 01:01:28,351
So the sisterhood with pageantry has been
so much fun.

834
01:01:28,351 --> 01:01:34,066
It's, a lot of people I think feel like it
might be like this mean girl type of thing

835
01:01:34,066 --> 01:01:37,859
behind the scenes because pageantry can
get a bad

836
01:01:37,905 --> 01:01:43,908
But I've had so many more positive
experiences of women uplifting each other

837
01:01:43,908 --> 01:01:46,910
and being like, hey, your crown's crooked,
I'ma fix it.

838
01:01:46,910 --> 01:01:50,592
Or hey, you did this thing, let me go
support you.

839
01:01:50,592 --> 01:01:53,773
And that's been so amazing to see happen.

840
01:01:54,087 --> 01:01:55,027
It's really true.

841
01:01:55,027 --> 01:02:01,640
That's what blew me away too, because I
definitely came in with more of the TV

842
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,472
stereotype, I will say, around pageantry.

843
01:02:05,712 --> 01:02:16,927
And yeah, it was just blown away at how
real everyone is and uplifting and all the

844
01:02:16,927 --> 01:02:22,679
good, all the good things and yeah, just
different types of people.

845
01:02:23,367 --> 01:02:25,494
Yeah, it's so diverse.

846
01:02:25,494 --> 01:02:25,945
country.

847
01:02:25,945 --> 01:02:27,157
Exactly.

848
01:02:28,132 --> 01:02:31,394
What am I doing for Still She Rose?

849
01:02:31,394 --> 01:02:36,697
So October is the Domestic Abuse Awareness

850
01:02:36,726 --> 01:02:38,847
So I'm definitely gonna be focusing.

851
01:02:38,847 --> 01:02:42,869
I haven't decided specifically what I'm
doing yet, but I know it's gonna be

852
01:02:42,869 --> 01:02:48,872
domestic abuse awareness related, because
obviously that's my main platform.

853
01:02:48,872 --> 01:02:53,504
And something that I'm passionate about is
domestic abuse.

854
01:02:53,504 --> 01:02:56,305
So ironically, that is why I was Mrs.

855
01:02:56,305 --> 01:02:58,316
Colorado.

856
01:02:58,316 --> 01:03:00,107
So you met me as I was Mrs.

857
01:03:00,107 --> 01:03:02,937
Colorado, and that

858
01:03:03,138 --> 01:03:06,238
It's funny because I'm, you know, a born
and raised Floridian.

859
01:03:06,238 --> 01:03:09,318
I've lived in Florida my whole 31 years.

860
01:03:09,638 --> 01:03:15,118
But I briefly moved to Colorado in 2016
when I was in the middle of my abusive

861
01:03:15,118 --> 01:03:16,658
relationship.

862
01:03:16,658 --> 01:03:19,558
And after a couple months, we wound up
having to move back to Florida.

863
01:03:19,558 --> 01:03:25,838
But so when Florida wasn't available the
year that I competed, because of Tanya

864
01:03:25,838 --> 01:03:28,658
being Miss Florida, love Tanya.

865
01:03:30,432 --> 01:03:35,685
I'm like, yeah, I know, we love you, we
love you, Tanya.

866
01:03:35,685 --> 01:03:38,415
I was like, well, what state could I
represent?

867
01:03:38,415 --> 01:03:44,709
And my husband's home state was being
represented by someone and I was like,

868
01:03:44,709 --> 01:03:46,370
Colorado.

869
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:49,512
And ironically, that's what I reigned as,
Mrs.

870
01:03:49,512 --> 01:03:50,322
Colorado.

871
01:03:50,322 --> 01:03:54,644
So when you say you were just out at
Colorado though, it's beautiful and I love

872
01:03:54,678 --> 01:04:00,488
But yeah, domestic abuse is the root of
why I do all of my things now.

873
01:04:00,488 --> 01:04:05,597
So I'm gonna be focusing on October being
domestic abuse awareness and domestic

874
01:04:05,597 --> 01:04:06,638
violence.

875
01:04:06,670 --> 01:04:12,098
Yeah, I definitely expected that out of
you.

876
01:04:13,241 --> 01:04:13,752
Yeah.

877
01:04:13,752 --> 01:04:15,155
not a shocker

878
01:04:15,338 --> 01:04:19,332
So yesterday I found out I was accepted as
a member for the Florida Partnership to

879
01:04:19,332 --> 01:04:20,843
End Domestic Violence.

880
01:04:20,843 --> 01:04:24,017
So that is going to come in handy in
October.

881
01:04:24,299 --> 01:04:27,134
Yep, that's awesome.

882
01:04:27,519 --> 01:04:30,408
yeah, we'll have to coordinate somehow.

883
01:04:30,408 --> 01:04:33,697
We'll have to talk behind the scenes.

884
01:04:33,697 --> 01:04:35,290
Yeah, we definitely will.

885
01:04:35,290 --> 01:04:38,309
That's the fun part of having a partner
for the month.

886
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:39,706
Yeah,

887
01:04:39,759 --> 01:04:45,193
is there anything that you want to shout
out or any last statement that you want to

888
01:04:45,193 --> 01:04:49,613
leave as kind of your legacy statement or
anything that you want to

889
01:04:49,754 --> 01:04:58,168
know, with all things that we do, think I
really do believe that if we put things

890
01:04:58,168 --> 01:05:05,871
through the lens of compassion, both from
compassion towards ourselves first, I

891
01:05:05,871 --> 01:05:09,753
think that that's the most important in
order to feed others.

892
01:05:09,753 --> 01:05:16,656
You have to put your oxygen mask on first
before you can put it on other people.

893
01:05:16,656 --> 01:05:25,592
And then practice compassion towards the
people around us, our pets, animals,

894
01:05:25,592 --> 01:05:26,943
toward the environment.

895
01:05:26,943 --> 01:05:36,339
I think that compassion truly can lead and
successfully guide us to both confidence

896
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:43,975
through understanding perspectives and
practicing self -compassion, getting to

897
01:05:43,975 --> 01:05:45,245
know yourself.

898
01:05:45,882 --> 01:05:53,225
self -discovery, all the things that go
are involved in, in seeing things through

899
01:05:53,225 --> 01:05:54,435
a lens of compassion.

900
01:05:54,435 --> 01:06:00,387
I think that I personally believe that
that would literally solve every problem

901
01:06:00,387 --> 01:06:01,428
in the world.

902
01:06:01,428 --> 01:06:05,819
So if anyone else would like to join me on
that journey, can.

903
01:06:05,819 --> 01:06:08,542
I have.

904
01:06:08,542 --> 01:06:12,826
project called the Compassionate
Leadership Project that we also

905
01:06:12,826 --> 01:06:14,527
collaborate a lot with.

906
01:06:14,527 --> 01:06:16,509
She Rose.

907
01:06:16,509 --> 01:06:18,450
But feel free.

908
01:06:18,450 --> 01:06:24,414
It's just a free Facebook group you can
join and you can follow it on Instagram

909
01:06:24,635 --> 01:06:27,277
and on Facebook.

910
01:06:27,637 --> 01:06:29,399
I'm not on Twitter.

911
01:06:29,399 --> 01:06:30,449
Sorry,

912
01:06:30,746 --> 01:06:38,676
I also love to feature other people who...

913
01:06:38,676 --> 01:06:43,993
who are practice compassionate leadership,
but essentially trying to grow a global

914
01:06:43,993 --> 01:06:48,386
network of compassionate leaders

915
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Like I do have some realms of
compassionate leadership that we teach as

916
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well.

917
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So anyone who'd like to follow along with
that, is.

918
01:06:59,736 --> 01:07:04,197
Otherwise, I guess just you can find me at
Whitley Nubin

919
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,980
Marshall or Mind Body Compassion Coach

920
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you so much for coming on this evening and
for talking to us I love all of the

921
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messages that you shared and I think like
Myself being inspired by you there will be

922
01:07:21,758 --> 01:07:26,332
plenty of other women that listen to this
and can definitely relate So thank you so

923
01:07:26,332 --> 01:07:27,593
much for coming

924
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Thank you so much for having me.

925
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I just want to honor you and everything
that you're doing.

926
01:07:33,337 --> 01:07:41,539
It's amazing to see this born and love
hearing all the different stories of

927
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resilience and you sharing your own story.

928
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But it's powerful because through sharing
vulnerability, lives change and people

929
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fall in love.

930
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with that and learn about themselves.

931
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just hope that you know that what you have
started is bigger than you realize.

932
01:08:06,528 --> 01:08:07,299
Aw, thank you.

933
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Don't make me cry.

934
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you