WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.490 Jethro Jones: On this episode of a vision for learning. 00:00:03.179 --> 00:00:06.750 I'm going to play a recording from a previous interview 00:00:06.750 --> 00:00:08.490 that I did on my podcast. 00:00:08.490 --> 00:00:09.690 Transformative Principal. 00:00:10.590 --> 00:00:11.550 This is from. 00:00:12.060 --> 00:00:13.080 2020. 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:16.040 In July when I talked with VJ, Robin, John. 00:00:16.400 --> 00:00:20.720 About Florio, which is an app that helps kids with autism 00:00:20.750 --> 00:00:22.970 understand social interactions. 00:00:23.540 --> 00:00:28.340 This is really powerful because it combines the iPhone with the VR headset. 00:00:28.790 --> 00:00:31.490 With VR therapy, which is pretty cool. 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:38.090 And what I'm really excited about are these kinds of opportunities that kids and 00:00:38.090 --> 00:00:40.970 adults are going to have to experience. 00:00:41.630 --> 00:00:45.560 Things in new ways that they haven't had an opportunity to experience before. 00:00:46.370 --> 00:00:49.340 I'm hopeful that I'll get to have another conversation with VJ 00:00:49.430 --> 00:00:52.430 here in the next couple of days, and be able to bring that in. 00:00:52.430 --> 00:00:54.140 But I wanted to share this episode. 00:00:54.770 --> 00:00:57.470 Because this was three years ago. 00:00:57.739 --> 00:01:02.839 Where he was already doing this kind of work and., even though. 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:05.030 The apple vision pro is new. 00:01:05.630 --> 00:01:08.720 This idea of using virtual reality to help people. 00:01:08.720 --> 00:01:09.439 Is not new. 00:01:09.649 --> 00:01:11.239 And so I'm really excited. 00:01:11.569 --> 00:01:14.329 For you to hear this and experience it. 00:01:14.329 --> 00:01:17.280 And you may not have heard this on Transformative Principal. 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:20.670 So here's my interview from Transformative Principal. 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:22.860 No edits, no updates. 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:26.399 So this is three years old, but I still think there's something valuable in here. 00:01:26.759 --> 00:01:30.360 And I especially want you to stick around to the end. 00:01:31.110 --> 00:01:35.760 And hear what he says about how to be a Transformative Principal. 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:40.320 And understanding what people are experiencing and then how to 00:01:40.590 --> 00:01:42.240 work backwards to support them. 00:01:44.809 --> 00:01:47.149 Welcome to transformative principle today. 00:01:47.149 --> 00:01:50.299 I am excited to have VJ at Ravindran on the podcast. 00:01:50.449 --> 00:01:51.859 How'd I do pronouncing your last name. 00:01:51.949 --> 00:01:52.429 I'm all. 00:01:52.639 --> 00:01:53.539 I'm all worried down. 00:01:55.669 --> 00:01:56.029 Okay. 00:01:56.029 --> 00:01:56.359 Good. 00:01:56.749 --> 00:01:57.049 All right. 00:01:57.049 --> 00:02:00.799 So VJ created a awesome app that is called Florio. 00:02:01.069 --> 00:02:05.719 And so VJ, I'll let you tell a little bit about the story of that and how that 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:07.939 can be an app to help kids with autism. 00:02:08.069 --> 00:02:08.449 We'll start. 00:02:09.209 --> 00:02:09.449 Yeah. 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:09.779 Vijay Ravindran: Great. 00:02:09.809 --> 00:02:13.739 Thanks for having me on, you know, Florio as a company was started four years 00:02:13.739 --> 00:02:19.319 ago, the company is inspired by my son who is 10 and on the autism spectrum. 00:02:19.859 --> 00:02:22.499 And the idea for the, for the system that we've developed. 00:02:23.309 --> 00:02:26.759 Using virtual reality came from his first experience using 00:02:26.819 --> 00:02:28.469 a virtual reality headset. 00:02:28.949 --> 00:02:33.359 Um, back in late 2015, he really likes maps and navigation. 00:02:33.359 --> 00:02:37.529 And, uh, he I've seen the Google street view had just come out in VR. 00:02:37.559 --> 00:02:40.289 And so I had them try it out using a Samsung gear VR. 00:02:41.069 --> 00:02:42.299 And you really liked it. 00:02:42.329 --> 00:02:45.629 He started engaging in pretend play for the first time, which is a delayed 00:02:45.629 --> 00:02:47.309 skill for a lot of kids with autism. 00:02:47.969 --> 00:02:52.109 And that triggered the idea that what if virtual reality 00:02:52.109 --> 00:02:54.359 could be a therapy media for. 00:02:55.664 --> 00:03:02.234 And so what we have today is a application that runs on both iPhone and iPad. 00:03:02.444 --> 00:03:08.414 It say it's an app, but it's really a system that combines the use of an iPhone 00:03:08.414 --> 00:03:13.874 and a virtual reality headset with an iPad, uh, that talks over the network. 00:03:14.084 --> 00:03:17.804 And, uh, and then enables a supervising adults to. 00:03:18.674 --> 00:03:23.024 Coach through the iPad therapy sessions or training sessions 00:03:23.054 --> 00:03:26.654 for a child as they enter into the virtual reality environment. 00:03:26.834 --> 00:03:31.514 And, uh, and then experience scenes that, um, work on different developments. 00:03:32.489 --> 00:03:34.199 Jethro Jones: Yeah, I really, I really liked that. 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:39.869 And so being able to have a, a coach in there with you, I mean, I just downloaded 00:03:39.869 --> 00:03:43.289 the app and used it myself with, you know, some Google cardboard that I had 00:03:43.289 --> 00:03:47.639 sitting around and it was, uh, just the trial part was a neat experience. 00:03:47.939 --> 00:03:50.789 And so my daughter has down syndrome and she exhibits some of 00:03:50.789 --> 00:03:54.449 the same characteristics of kids who are on the autism spectrum. 00:03:54.449 --> 00:03:55.859 And of course there are different. 00:03:56.759 --> 00:04:00.419 And they have different, uh, abilities and skills and developmental 00:04:00.419 --> 00:04:01.619 levels and all that kind of stuff. 00:04:01.619 --> 00:04:07.139 But, uh, the idea of doing therapy through VR sounds like a really cool thing. 00:04:07.139 --> 00:04:10.379 Can you talk a little bit more about how that actually works 00:04:10.379 --> 00:04:11.759 and what the mechanics of that 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:12.029 Vijay Ravindran: are? 00:04:12.359 --> 00:04:14.669 Yeah, I'm happy to, and then you're right. 00:04:14.699 --> 00:04:18.869 There's once you start diving into this world of, uh, people with 00:04:18.869 --> 00:04:21.689 developmental delays, you realize there's actually quite a bit of overlap. 00:04:22.589 --> 00:04:24.629 Treatments across the board. 00:04:24.749 --> 00:04:30.239 You know, when we first started this path, uh, our vision was that really, 00:04:30.239 --> 00:04:33.629 that VR could help in two different ways. 00:04:33.719 --> 00:04:39.419 The first was that there's opportunities to create the type of therapies 00:04:39.419 --> 00:04:40.739 that are being done face to face. 00:04:41.459 --> 00:04:46.379 Using fun, animated characters, you know, kids with autism go through 00:04:46.769 --> 00:04:50.459 hundreds of thousands of hours of therapy and they can get pretty 00:04:50.489 --> 00:04:52.619 monotonous and patronizing at some point. 00:04:52.709 --> 00:04:56.279 And so, you know, at first objective, let's just make this more fun. 00:04:57.044 --> 00:05:02.234 Let's figure out a way to recreate what's being done with toys and play paradigms 00:05:02.324 --> 00:05:07.874 face to face and create an NBR can make it much more fun the second area. 00:05:08.204 --> 00:05:11.924 And so we have scenes that, you know, work on things like eye contact or how 00:05:11.924 --> 00:05:13.604 to imitate another, another person. 00:05:14.444 --> 00:05:19.304 So we were able to use cartoon characters, fun animals, we can do silly stuff 00:05:19.304 --> 00:05:24.014 and we can, we can use animations and rewards in life to really spread that. 00:05:24.434 --> 00:05:28.664 The second area that we saw VR was very powerful and it ends up. 00:05:28.724 --> 00:05:32.114 It's also a major area of developmental focus today is, uh, 00:05:32.474 --> 00:05:34.154 is around social and life skills. 00:05:34.244 --> 00:05:39.944 So we have lots of therapy to help a child with the basics like eye contact. 00:05:40.619 --> 00:05:41.429 Today's world. 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:45.509 Uh, what we don't have is that as they get older and older, how to 00:05:45.509 --> 00:05:49.649 help them with those much more subtle social skills or how to help them in 00:05:49.649 --> 00:05:52.769 safety situations that are hard to replicate in the therapist office. 00:05:52.829 --> 00:05:59.249 And some there we were able to, in virtual reality, we can create situations that 00:05:59.249 --> 00:06:01.169 you can't recreate on therapist office. 00:06:01.169 --> 00:06:05.579 So we can have a child go through a law enforcement encounter and practice. 00:06:06.404 --> 00:06:09.194 Talking to that police officer in a way that'll keep them safe. 00:06:09.524 --> 00:06:13.904 We can have them practice crossing the street and looking both ways, 00:06:13.904 --> 00:06:16.634 but without the consequences of messing up in the real world. 00:06:16.964 --> 00:06:17.264 Yeah. 00:06:17.564 --> 00:06:21.854 And for the social skills, you know, we can put you in the school and the 00:06:21.854 --> 00:06:27.704 cafeteria and the classroom, but moreover, you know, today for traditional therapy, 00:06:27.764 --> 00:06:29.744 a child is essentially taught by an adult. 00:06:30.554 --> 00:06:36.044 And so I've seen with my own son where he will be able to handle a situation 00:06:36.074 --> 00:06:40.034 if it's adult to child, but then on the playground, when it's another child is 00:06:40.034 --> 00:06:42.434 not able to necessarily traverse that. 00:06:42.914 --> 00:06:47.804 And in VR, we can create the characters to be, to match the children and age. 00:06:47.804 --> 00:06:49.874 We can vary the race and ethnicity. 00:06:50.709 --> 00:06:54.159 Make sure that both genders are represented so that we can create actually 00:06:54.459 --> 00:06:57.129 a much more comprehensive set of, yeah. 00:06:57.129 --> 00:07:00.099 Jethro Jones: So I love those examples that you shared about being able to 00:07:00.099 --> 00:07:05.349 go into these situations where it's hard for them to, to practice that 00:07:05.349 --> 00:07:08.199 in a therapy session, especially with consequences that are there. 00:07:08.649 --> 00:07:13.929 And so I've seen so many amazing creative things from my own daughters 00:07:13.929 --> 00:07:17.859 therapists with different ways of helping her learn different things and. 00:07:18.629 --> 00:07:21.809 And, you know, she's doing some physical therapy right now and she painted this 00:07:21.809 --> 00:07:25.499 giant picture and the whole purpose of the giant picture was to help her 00:07:25.499 --> 00:07:27.419 put equal weight on each of her legs. 00:07:27.419 --> 00:07:30.359 And it was, that was the whole purpose, but she didn't even know 00:07:30.359 --> 00:07:31.919 that's what she was working on. 00:07:31.949 --> 00:07:35.789 And she couldn't comprehend that that's what she needed to work on, but the 00:07:35.789 --> 00:07:38.669 therapist was going above and beyond doing these great things to help. 00:07:39.299 --> 00:07:39.899 With that. 00:07:39.899 --> 00:07:44.879 And, and I love that this app now gives therapists an additional opportunity to, 00:07:45.039 --> 00:07:47.519 to incorporate those things in as well. 00:07:47.729 --> 00:07:52.829 And I think that the, the truly lifesaving features can be really important. 00:07:53.219 --> 00:07:57.569 And you shared an example of not being able to, to associate an 00:07:57.569 --> 00:08:02.039 interaction with a, an adult with a peer, like out on the playground. 00:08:02.339 --> 00:08:06.209 And I've seen that so many times with students at school, but also with my own 00:08:06.209 --> 00:08:08.309 child where, when it's somebody who's. 00:08:09.154 --> 00:08:11.914 Standing over them telling them this is how things need to happen. 00:08:12.244 --> 00:08:15.304 They've been able to be successful, but then when it's 00:08:15.304 --> 00:08:18.094 appear, then that just goes away. 00:08:18.184 --> 00:08:22.204 And then with privacy issues and things like that, you can't always get those 00:08:22.204 --> 00:08:26.854 peers to come into the therapy room and participate in those same activities. 00:08:26.854 --> 00:08:30.484 So I love, I love what you're doing with that. 00:08:30.784 --> 00:08:34.474 What are some of the stories that you've seen, where kids have used this and 00:08:34.504 --> 00:08:37.174 have been able to grow because of using. 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:38.609 Yeah. 00:08:38.699 --> 00:08:41.489 Vijay Ravindran: You know, we we've gotten some great stories. 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:46.949 Um, I'll just add one thing also from what you do, what you just said is that one 00:08:46.949 --> 00:08:50.969 of the really fascinating and powerful things we've seen is that once you put 00:08:50.969 --> 00:08:54.509 this in the hands of professionals, like therapists and special education teachers, 00:08:54.899 --> 00:08:58.769 they use it, they use the scenes in ways that we don't necessarily have predicted. 00:08:58.979 --> 00:09:02.999 They they're able to come up with ways to help kids. 00:09:03.089 --> 00:09:06.989 And as a Alina into your question, And we've seen that play out. 00:09:07.079 --> 00:09:10.199 Um, we had one school system in Pennsylvania. 00:09:10.199 --> 00:09:16.709 That's been using the system successfully used Florio with a PTSD 00:09:16.739 --> 00:09:21.419 and schizophrenia child that was having major fears of going outside. 00:09:21.749 --> 00:09:25.619 And our street crossing lessons ended up helping that child get enough 00:09:25.619 --> 00:09:27.569 confidence that they could actually. 00:09:28.454 --> 00:09:32.714 Um, with the next phase of, uh, of acclimatization to the outside 00:09:32.714 --> 00:09:37.754 world, they want it to, with the child, we've had, uh, kids who have 00:09:37.754 --> 00:09:42.884 been mostly non-verbal interact with this and literally get feedback 00:09:42.884 --> 00:09:44.894 that they've never seen the child. 00:09:45.674 --> 00:09:49.904 Uh, interact and traditional therapy and an as engaged way as they have here. 00:09:50.294 --> 00:09:54.734 But going beyond the anecdotal, we have made a big emphasis around research. 00:09:55.094 --> 00:09:58.664 We pretty soon after starting the company started looking at research 00:09:58.694 --> 00:10:04.244 partners and two important ones early on, or a special education school in New 00:10:04.244 --> 00:10:05.414 Jersey called celebrate the children. 00:10:06.194 --> 00:10:10.124 And the children's hospital, Philadelphia center for autism research. 00:10:10.184 --> 00:10:14.804 And so with celebrate the children, a special needs school with north, the New 00:10:14.804 --> 00:10:20.324 Jersey, we have, we held our first study where we had 12 kids go through five 00:10:20.324 --> 00:10:22.994 weeks of three times a week intervention. 00:10:23.114 --> 00:10:26.144 And these were kids with moderate to severe autism. 00:10:26.414 --> 00:10:27.754 And we were able to. 00:10:28.364 --> 00:10:30.974 Work on their eye contact using lessons we've developed. 00:10:31.214 --> 00:10:36.164 We were able to do benchmarking before and four weeks after the study and were able 00:10:36.164 --> 00:10:39.164 to show improvement in 10 of the 12 kids. 00:10:39.554 --> 00:10:42.914 And, uh, we're proud to say that those results were published in 00:10:42.944 --> 00:10:44.774 JMIR pediatrics and parenting. 00:10:45.394 --> 00:10:50.434 Uh, medical journal, uh, last summer and, um, separately with children's hospital, 00:10:50.454 --> 00:10:55.894 Philadelphia, uh, where the recipient of a what's called an NIH fast-track grant. 00:10:56.314 --> 00:11:02.534 So we received a $1.7 million grant in 2017 that has helped on 00:11:02.884 --> 00:11:06.724 really groundbreaking research at the intersection of the autism 00:11:06.724 --> 00:11:08.224 community and virtual reality. 00:11:08.644 --> 00:11:12.574 We're in the third year of that research now and in a randomized clinical trial. 00:11:13.319 --> 00:11:17.399 Um, which is unfortunately a little bit on pause at the moment given COVID 19. 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:21.389 So we'll see when we were able to get back to doing that, but we've 00:11:21.389 --> 00:11:26.999 been able to show that Florio is safe and highly enjoyable in that study. 00:11:27.419 --> 00:11:29.459 Um, based on the phase one and. 00:11:30.314 --> 00:11:34.634 Year of the phase two at chop, we were, uh, in a controlled 00:11:34.634 --> 00:11:38.894 treatment structure where we were going head to head against, uh, a 00:11:38.924 --> 00:11:41.774 well-established, uh, video-based therapy. 00:11:41.774 --> 00:11:45.644 And so we've made it a priority early on to focus on. 00:11:46.364 --> 00:11:50.204 Gathering the type of research that also shows that Florio is 00:11:50.204 --> 00:11:51.644 worth the time of these tips. 00:11:52.014 --> 00:11:54.584 So John Kat educational 00:11:54.584 --> 00:11:57.074 Jethro Jones: supports high quality teaching and learning by providing 00:11:57.074 --> 00:12:01.364 publications that are research-based practical and focused on the key 00:12:01.364 --> 00:12:06.044 topics, proven essential and today's and tomorrow's schools visit us 00:12:06.044 --> 00:12:10.004 dot John cat, bookshop.com to see the latest publications whose 00:12:10.004 --> 00:12:14.384 exciting ideas include overcoming the extrovert ideal in our school. 00:12:15.254 --> 00:12:18.674 Creating bottom-up transformation that promotes buy-in from all educators. 00:12:19.394 --> 00:12:21.854 And improving formal and informal continuous learning 00:12:21.854 --> 00:12:23.144 opportunities for teachers. 00:12:23.534 --> 00:12:26.864 These books used by educators of all roles across north America and 00:12:26.864 --> 00:12:30.944 worldwide to amplify fresh, engaging voices with practical strategies 00:12:30.944 --> 00:12:34.724 to create transformative change, learn more in our show notes. 00:12:35.564 --> 00:12:35.894 Yeah. 00:12:35.904 --> 00:12:37.964 I just think that is so fantastic. 00:12:37.994 --> 00:12:42.434 And it's something the reason why I wanted to talk to you on this podcast and share 00:12:42.434 --> 00:12:47.414 this with principals around the country is that I had never thought of using VR. 00:12:48.194 --> 00:12:52.364 As a tool for helping kids with autism and. 00:12:53.489 --> 00:12:59.459 As an educator been baffled for years about how to reach specific kids, how 00:12:59.459 --> 00:13:06.149 to help them, how to do things that would accelerate their growth and all 00:13:06.149 --> 00:13:09.359 while recognizing that, just because they may not be able to communicate 00:13:09.359 --> 00:13:13.109 with us doesn't mean that they don't have feelings and concerns and passions 00:13:13.109 --> 00:13:14.699 and desires and all that kind of stuff. 00:13:16.114 --> 00:13:20.584 Trying to find a way that we can adapt what we're doing to help them. 00:13:20.614 --> 00:13:23.494 And, and so when I read about Florio, I thought that it was 00:13:23.494 --> 00:13:26.104 just such a great way to do that. 00:13:26.104 --> 00:13:31.204 And so now, as we, as we think about doing this at scale or moving this 00:13:31.204 --> 00:13:35.464 into other places across the country in schools and then private therapy 00:13:35.474 --> 00:13:38.974 sessions and at children's hospitals, what are the challenges you see to 00:13:38.974 --> 00:13:43.444 people adopting Florio for working with kids with autism specifically? 00:13:44.174 --> 00:13:44.534 Yeah, 00:13:44.534 --> 00:13:44.954 Vijay Ravindran: that's great. 00:13:44.984 --> 00:13:45.914 Great question. 00:13:45.914 --> 00:13:51.044 And you know, so we're we're today we have 18, uh, clinic and school customers. 00:13:51.194 --> 00:13:56.084 And, uh, I would say the biggest challenge is helping both families 00:13:56.144 --> 00:14:00.074 and the professionals that work with, uh, with kids with autism. 00:14:00.464 --> 00:14:04.484 Think about how you can schedule and integrate a product like ours. 00:14:04.514 --> 00:14:08.774 When these kids are already scheduled to the hilt and their time is very precious. 00:14:09.554 --> 00:14:12.884 And, uh, using the virtual reality is still not commonplace. 00:14:12.884 --> 00:14:17.444 And so there is some apprehension around the technology that, you know, in many 00:14:17.444 --> 00:14:22.154 cases, you know, we carry the burden of being the first virtual reality experience 00:14:22.154 --> 00:14:23.474 for both the adults and the child. 00:14:24.239 --> 00:14:28.469 And so we're presenting this it's the first time they've used VR. 00:14:28.709 --> 00:14:32.969 I'm not to the kids, but the adults, in many cases, the kids have already used 00:14:32.969 --> 00:14:37.949 VR because of games, but for parents or teachers or therapists that this is new. 00:14:38.729 --> 00:14:42.119 And so that then ends up being a challenge, you know, excitingly, we 00:14:42.119 --> 00:14:46.999 announced last week that, uh, the system, which again, is really two pieces, a 00:14:47.009 --> 00:14:50.909 smartphone and a virtual reality have said, and an iPad for the developed that. 00:14:51.664 --> 00:14:57.064 We now support the iPad running over the network in that teletherapy or 00:14:57.064 --> 00:14:58.894 video conferencing style of deployment. 00:14:59.104 --> 00:15:01.084 And so, oh, that's very cool. 00:15:01.354 --> 00:15:05.944 Given the challenges happening across the world right now with being in the 00:15:05.944 --> 00:15:09.874 same place at the same time, you know, these kids are suffering where they're 00:15:09.874 --> 00:15:13.684 not receiving the therapies that they were two weeks ago, three weeks ago. 00:15:14.854 --> 00:15:18.184 So we think Florida has a big role that it could play in helping by. 00:15:19.024 --> 00:15:21.094 Behavioral therapy over virtual reality. 00:15:21.844 --> 00:15:25.174 But yeah, I think virtual reality is still a new technology. 00:15:25.174 --> 00:15:28.144 So there's a barrier there, you know, there's, there's an investment 00:15:28.144 --> 00:15:31.474 around equipment, which we've tried to bring the cost down dramatically 00:15:31.504 --> 00:15:34.924 through a partnership with sprint the mobile carrier where we're 00:15:34.924 --> 00:15:36.484 sourcing refurbished equipment. 00:15:36.784 --> 00:15:39.664 But I would say the biggest barrier above all else is that a 00:15:39.664 --> 00:15:43.354 child with autism has a very busy schedule, um, with their existing 00:15:43.354 --> 00:15:45.304 therapies, uh, on top of schooling. 00:15:46.259 --> 00:15:49.979 Thinking through not only whether Florio can help, but whether 00:15:49.979 --> 00:15:53.159 it's worth integrating that into their already busy schedules in 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:54.389 some manner is a big decision. 00:15:54.899 --> 00:15:55.229 Yeah, 00:15:55.259 --> 00:15:55.949 Jethro Jones: for sure. 00:15:56.249 --> 00:16:00.809 And so it's not, it's not just one specific type of therapy, either, 00:16:00.929 --> 00:16:06.749 depending on the child's ability level, it could be a lot of different therapies 00:16:06.749 --> 00:16:11.939 that, you know, you, you may not somebody else, you know, who's not actively 00:16:11.939 --> 00:16:13.229 engaged with that with their own child. 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:15.029 May not realize how many different therapies. 00:16:16.004 --> 00:16:18.464 Right for that student to be successful. 00:16:18.464 --> 00:16:19.904 So yeah. 00:16:19.904 --> 00:16:22.034 So VJ, I think what you've done is really great. 00:16:22.034 --> 00:16:25.694 Can you tell us how to get to, to learn more about Florio? 00:16:26.264 --> 00:16:26.624 Vijay Ravindran: Yeah. 00:16:26.804 --> 00:16:29.594 If you've at our website, Florio tech.com. 00:16:29.654 --> 00:16:31.904 That's I O R E O T E C H. 00:16:32.999 --> 00:16:37.619 Um, from there, you can basically register to get more information 00:16:37.619 --> 00:16:39.149 from someone on the team. 00:16:39.389 --> 00:16:42.749 You can also go directly through the app store, if you have an iPhone and an iPad 00:16:42.749 --> 00:16:47.849 and download the app, and then you'll need to talk to us through link to, uh, 00:16:47.909 --> 00:16:49.989 figure out the appropriate subscriptions. 00:16:49.989 --> 00:16:54.779 So we have subscription plans for the software, both for enterprises 00:16:54.779 --> 00:16:57.029 like schools and clinics, as well as for families who are looking 00:16:57.029 --> 00:16:58.109 to do home supplemental care. 00:16:58.959 --> 00:17:00.999 Jethro Jones: And, and so that's the route that I went. 00:17:00.999 --> 00:17:03.519 I just download the app, tried it out for myself. 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:08.169 I gave it to my kids to try a little bit of, and they, they enjoyed it. 00:17:08.169 --> 00:17:11.159 And there's there's enough there that you could see if there is. 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:15.269 If there's a engagement piece, right from the beginning. 00:17:15.329 --> 00:17:18.359 And so I could tell immediately that all of my kids, not just my 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.359 daughter with down syndrome were able to engage and understand how 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:23.189 to, how to work with it right away. 00:17:23.189 --> 00:17:27.209 And it was, it was really neat to see that, to see them be able to just pick 00:17:27.209 --> 00:17:28.769 it up and start doing stuff with it. 00:17:28.769 --> 00:17:33.329 So the last question I asked VJ is what is one thing that a principal can do 00:17:33.329 --> 00:17:35.549 this week to be a transformative leader? 00:17:35.579 --> 00:17:35.729 Like. 00:17:36.764 --> 00:17:39.314 Vijay Ravindran: Well, I mean, this is a, this is a very special week. 00:17:39.314 --> 00:17:39.734 Isn't it? 00:17:40.184 --> 00:17:44.654 Given that the world is going to, I think starting with, uh, 00:17:44.654 --> 00:17:48.854 understanding the unique situations that families and students are in 00:17:48.854 --> 00:17:52.304 right now, especially working from home parents, trying to juggle. 00:17:53.024 --> 00:17:55.574 Working from home while their kids are being homeschooled 00:17:55.934 --> 00:17:57.914 through some cotton packets. 00:17:57.914 --> 00:18:01.394 And, you know, I think, you know, many years ago I worked at Amazon and 00:18:01.394 --> 00:18:04.364 we had an expression that you start with the customer and work backwards. 00:18:04.634 --> 00:18:09.944 And I think that's no, that is extra true right now because we've 00:18:09.944 --> 00:18:13.034 never really imagined being in the situation that we're in to the site. 00:18:13.904 --> 00:18:15.074 We were trapped inside. 00:18:15.494 --> 00:18:20.744 We are, so that's a big piece, but, um, you know, for me, what's really motivated 00:18:20.744 --> 00:18:25.064 me to start the company and work on this for the last four years is, is knowing 00:18:25.574 --> 00:18:27.314 how much potential these kids have. 00:18:27.644 --> 00:18:29.684 And what's possible if they can get through. 00:18:30.539 --> 00:18:33.989 Tools delivered to them and the professionals and family around them. 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:35.939 And so that's been very motivating. 00:18:36.239 --> 00:18:37.469 Jethro Jones: Yeah, definitely. 00:18:37.949 --> 00:18:38.279 All right. 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:40.169 Well VJ, thank you so much for your time. 00:18:40.169 --> 00:18:41.869 This has been an awesome conversation. 00:18:41.889 --> 00:18:43.949 I really appreciate all the work that you were doing. 00:18:44.069 --> 00:18:46.349 Thanks so much for being part of transformative principal. 00:18:46.529 --> 00:18:47.219 Thank you for having me