1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,520 We're gonna get started in just a few minutes. Welcome, people watching already. 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,360 It's going to be a fun, lively show. Phil is our 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,400 fourth time returning co host of this show. 4 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:14,880 Definitely in the lead from everybody else. You know how he does 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,680 it. He stays hydrated. Look at that jug of water. Yeah. 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,240 Right here, buddy. As big as his head. He's. He's lifting 7 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:25,720 weights and staying hydrated. So it could be on the dating 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,480 profile. It is on my dating profile. This is the one picture on my 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,080 profile. It says I stay hydrated and buff by drinking 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,920 water. That's. That's the 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,160 dye plan. They don't want you. The big pharma is keeping that away from us. 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,640 No, it's fast food. Fast food's keeping that secret for me. Oh, 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,040 boy. Fast food is taking a lot for me already. Yeah, a couple 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:48,880 arteries. And. 15 00:00:52,170 --> 00:00:54,730 I think what's getting me lately is those Wendy's tendies. 16 00:00:56,250 --> 00:00:59,690 Wendy's has new chicken tenders that are really good with their signature 17 00:00:59,690 --> 00:01:03,370 sauce and scorching hot sauce. I get. You get two sauces 18 00:01:03,370 --> 00:01:07,130 with a thing of four, and it's the scorching hot. Isn't that hot? It's kind 19 00:01:07,130 --> 00:01:10,770 of misleading. It should just be called our signature sauce, but 20 00:01:10,770 --> 00:01:14,570 oranger. Really? With two dabs of Tabasco in it. Yeah. 21 00:01:15,850 --> 00:01:19,650 Wow. All right, well, you ready to officially start the 22 00:01:19,650 --> 00:01:23,320 show? Yeah. Because I'm wondering, what time is it? You want to know what time 23 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:26,000 is it? I want to know what time it is. It can only be one 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,760 time. It's time for what time is it? 25 00:01:52,140 --> 00:01:55,940 Live news podcast about podcasting from the 26 00:01:55,940 --> 00:01:56,300 st. 27 00:02:06,140 --> 00:02:08,940 The only live news podcast about 28 00:02:09,260 --> 00:02:11,580 podcasting from the stage. 29 00:02:17,830 --> 00:02:21,670 Hey, everybody. Welcome to the PodutyPodcast Theater at downtown to rent 30 00:02:21,670 --> 00:02:25,110 a Pennsylvania. I'm Jeff. This is Poduty. In the news, I've got 31 00:02:25,270 --> 00:02:28,470 a four timer. Phil Better joining us. 32 00:02:29,990 --> 00:02:33,030 Four time. Four times. Four times. 33 00:02:33,830 --> 00:02:37,350 Co host. That has got me all choked up tonight. It's 34 00:02:37,350 --> 00:02:40,470 Christmas Eve Eve, and what are we doing? We're talking about 35 00:02:40,790 --> 00:02:44,310 podcast news stories, live podcast. In particular, 36 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,240 people who are doing their shows at coffee shops, libraries, 37 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,080 conventions, events all around the world. They're happening 38 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,000 week after week. We have a backlog of 45 stories we're going to try to 39 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,840 get through. So what did I do? What sensible decision did I make? 40 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,760 I decided to record the show two times a week so you can catch 41 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,280 Purdue and the News live Tuesdays and Saturdays 42 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,120 and catch it on your pod catchers. Whatever. I release it. 43 00:03:12,670 --> 00:03:16,190 But without further ado, I'd like to welcome 44 00:03:16,190 --> 00:03:19,830 four timer it's more than the Bulls one in a row. It's Phil 45 00:03:19,830 --> 00:03:23,230 Better. Ladies and gentlemen. I'm so happy to be here 46 00:03:23,790 --> 00:03:27,230 being though you're four time. Yes, four time. Yes. Four time 47 00:03:28,030 --> 00:03:31,070 visitor newscaster here on Poduty and the News. 48 00:03:31,710 --> 00:03:34,910 I'm ready to talk about all the live events because they are awesome. 49 00:03:35,950 --> 00:03:39,150 If anybody knows what time it is, it's definitely Feel Better. 50 00:03:39,730 --> 00:03:43,570 Feel Better Inc. Feel Better in dot com. Is that the correct website? 51 00:03:44,690 --> 00:03:47,570 Yeah. You can go to Feel Better in dot com. It will redirect you to 52 00:03:47,570 --> 00:03:50,850 a calendar link where you can book a time to talk about all 53 00:03:50,850 --> 00:03:54,690 podcasting stuff with me. But if you want to listen to the podcasts, you 54 00:03:54,690 --> 00:03:57,170 go to investing yourself. Pod.Com 55 00:03:58,530 --> 00:04:02,370 that was the smoothest transition to an introduction. I'll put all those 56 00:04:02,370 --> 00:04:05,170 links in the show notes. Are you ready just to go to the first story? 57 00:04:05,660 --> 00:04:09,460 Let's hit that first story, brother. We're going to be opening presents 58 00:04:09,460 --> 00:04:13,020 early tonight. Let's go to story number one. The campus is 59 00:04:13,020 --> 00:04:16,300 becoming the stage. We're going to file this under the category of 60 00:04:16,620 --> 00:04:20,460 Live Podcast Education. Live podcasting is 61 00:04:20,460 --> 00:04:24,300 gaining traction in higher education as universities begin 62 00:04:24,300 --> 00:04:28,020 treating podcasts not just as media projects, but as 63 00:04:28,020 --> 00:04:31,180 live cultural events. At Fordham University, 64 00:04:31,850 --> 00:04:35,330 history professor Ryan Purcell is bringing his award 65 00:04:35,330 --> 00:04:38,970 winning podcast Soundscapes NYC to the stage 66 00:04:39,210 --> 00:04:42,410 with a live show at McNally Amphitheater. 67 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:45,770 Backed by grant funding, the event blends live music, 68 00:04:45,930 --> 00:04:49,650 academic discussion and student led production, expanding 69 00:04:49,650 --> 00:04:52,890 the podcast beyond the studio and into a shared experience. 70 00:04:53,610 --> 00:04:57,370 It's part of a growing trend where universities are using live 71 00:04:57,370 --> 00:05:01,210 podcasts to engage broader audiences, give 72 00:05:01,210 --> 00:05:04,690 students hands on production experience and turn education 73 00:05:05,090 --> 00:05:08,770 into something people can actually show up for. 74 00:05:09,250 --> 00:05:13,090 You know, I remember when I was in college if I the best elective I 75 00:05:13,090 --> 00:05:16,410 could get into was like meteorology, you know, I could study weather 76 00:05:16,410 --> 00:05:20,090 patterns. You know, I was a business major. But you know, here's 77 00:05:20,090 --> 00:05:23,090 something I think if you're no matter what major you're in, 78 00:05:23,900 --> 00:05:27,380 if we've seen anything from the show and the way people are doing live shows 79 00:05:27,380 --> 00:05:31,020 around the country, almost any industry can benefit from having 80 00:05:31,100 --> 00:05:34,540 some sort of podcast. So no matter what your elective is, 81 00:05:35,020 --> 00:05:38,700 this seems like a great class or even a great club to be a part 82 00:05:38,700 --> 00:05:41,900 of at your local university. That is 83 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:45,980 an amazing idea. I know with one of my 84 00:05:46,300 --> 00:05:50,060 jobs I work for a company that does podcast production for big brands 85 00:05:50,740 --> 00:05:54,500 and one of the brands that we work with is a big time business 86 00:05:54,500 --> 00:05:58,220 school and they have multiple different types of podcasts 87 00:05:58,220 --> 00:06:01,700 on business. But it's very Very useful 88 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:05,500 for the students, the teachers, to connect with the 89 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:09,260 audience, connect with who they're trying to teach. And I think this is great. Doing 90 00:06:09,260 --> 00:06:12,980 live podcasts like this allows more people to 91 00:06:12,980 --> 00:06:16,580 have access to the knowledge that's being shared. And I 92 00:06:16,900 --> 00:06:20,700 love it. I want more universities to be doing stuff like this. Heck, I 93 00:06:20,700 --> 00:06:24,340 want. I want high schools. Like, back when we were in high school, Jeff, we 94 00:06:24,340 --> 00:06:27,900 had. I don't know about you, but did you have, like, the local radio station? 95 00:06:27,900 --> 00:06:30,620 Kind of like in the high school. The high school stadium radio, 96 00:06:31,660 --> 00:06:34,460 they had. An AV club, and we used to have 97 00:06:34,940 --> 00:06:38,700 TVs that were strapped to dollies. And then if 98 00:06:38,700 --> 00:06:42,500 you. If your teacher needed a television, we didn't have them in the rooms. You 99 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:45,980 had to, like, go to the A.V. club and they would feel a TV into 100 00:06:45,980 --> 00:06:49,150 the room. Yeah, so we had that, but we didn't have an AV club. We 101 00:06:49,150 --> 00:06:52,990 only had. We just use the PA system and kids 102 00:06:52,990 --> 00:06:56,590 would read the news inside the. Like the principal's office or the secretary's 103 00:06:56,590 --> 00:07:00,230 office. And so I would love. Because podcasting is. So. 104 00:07:00,710 --> 00:07:04,550 As we know, it's relatively cheap to go. You just need a couple of microphones 105 00:07:04,550 --> 00:07:08,150 you can get at a shop and you can pretty much run it with free 106 00:07:08,150 --> 00:07:11,990 with Spotify for creators. So I would love to see more, 107 00:07:12,310 --> 00:07:16,070 even high schoolers starting this, doing these AVs, because it's. The cost to 108 00:07:16,070 --> 00:07:19,830 entry is next to nothing. So this is something I would love to see 109 00:07:19,830 --> 00:07:23,470 more students doing. Yeah. No matter what you're studying, 110 00:07:23,470 --> 00:07:26,830 even if you don't even think that you're in the media business, if you don't 111 00:07:26,830 --> 00:07:30,510 think that you'll ever use something like this one, 112 00:07:30,510 --> 00:07:34,230 it's a ton of fun just to network people and be creative and 113 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:37,950 come up with show ideas. You'll enjoy it just for that aspect of 114 00:07:37,950 --> 00:07:41,110 it. But one of the things you'll learn from listening to the show is 115 00:07:41,750 --> 00:07:45,400 we've covered almost every industry out there. We've had 116 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,680 linemen, we've had sports teams, 117 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,080 we've had all these different segments. Dentists, lawyers, 118 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,520 accountants, they're all doing some sort of live 119 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,200 podcasting, some sort of way to share their craft with other people. 120 00:08:00,599 --> 00:08:04,280 And they're just documenting their stories, they're helping clients. 121 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,840 And no matter what industry they're in, this type of 122 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,480 medium is a great way to share your information, share your knowledge, 123 00:08:12,030 --> 00:08:15,390 and bring new people into what you do. It is. 124 00:08:16,030 --> 00:08:19,630 And it's also talking about schools. There's a school in 125 00:08:19,790 --> 00:08:23,630 England called tws. I can't remember their proper. The full 126 00:08:23,630 --> 00:08:27,150 Name of it, but it's the TWS sports podcast. 127 00:08:27,310 --> 00:08:31,110 This is a school that deals with individuals with special 128 00:08:31,110 --> 00:08:34,870 needs on the spectrum. And they have a podcast 129 00:08:34,870 --> 00:08:37,790 interviewing sports legends in England, around the uk 130 00:08:38,809 --> 00:08:42,609 And I have to say, listening from the first episode and 131 00:08:42,609 --> 00:08:45,769 listening now, it is nearly a night and day 132 00:08:46,649 --> 00:08:50,249 change in the confidence that you can hear in these students 133 00:08:50,249 --> 00:08:53,889 when they're doing these interviews. And they have been given so many 134 00:08:53,889 --> 00:08:57,449 great opportunities. BBC Radio, BBC News, 135 00:08:59,289 --> 00:09:02,929 I believe the Commonwealth Games, they were able to run with the 136 00:09:02,929 --> 00:09:06,460 torch. School should be embracing this because it 137 00:09:06,460 --> 00:09:10,100 gives your students the confidence to be able to, 138 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:13,940 you know, public speaking and all that. It is 139 00:09:14,420 --> 00:09:18,260 a great, great thing. Yeah, yeah. And no, 140 00:09:18,260 --> 00:09:21,780 again, you know, almost everybody in any industry, 141 00:09:22,340 --> 00:09:25,940 even if you don't have to do large presentations at large conventions, 142 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:29,900 you probably have to speak in front of, you know, your managers 143 00:09:29,900 --> 00:09:33,620 or your employees, something about your job you'll have to give a 144 00:09:33,620 --> 00:09:37,020 presentation in. And if you had a club like this at your school, 145 00:09:37,260 --> 00:09:40,940 just that little extra confidence boost can make you a rock 146 00:09:40,940 --> 00:09:44,580 star within your organization. If you're able to get up in front of people and 147 00:09:44,580 --> 00:09:48,300 just talk and understand what you're talking about and convey 148 00:09:48,300 --> 00:09:52,020 that message to the group, you're going to be better than 90% of the 149 00:09:52,020 --> 00:09:55,660 people in your organization because you have this extra skill set that 150 00:09:55,740 --> 00:09:59,510 you're able to develop through clubs like this at college. Yeah, it's. 151 00:09:59,510 --> 00:10:02,950 It's amazing. I love it. I want to see more universities, more schools, more 152 00:10:02,950 --> 00:10:06,390 colleges everywhere having these podcasting AV club 153 00:10:06,710 --> 00:10:10,390 because it is the future. We are moving into a creator economy. So we should 154 00:10:10,390 --> 00:10:14,230 start learning earlier and earlier how to, you know, create great 155 00:10:14,230 --> 00:10:17,950 content so that we can up our game. But yeah, I'm. And plus, you 156 00:10:17,950 --> 00:10:19,830 know, like it when schools do this, 157 00:10:21,510 --> 00:10:24,950 it actually can, like, take, take the lessons to the next level. 158 00:10:25,270 --> 00:10:28,930 You know, like, you can go, hey, some 159 00:10:29,010 --> 00:10:32,730 professors or some students can be like, oh, we're learning about, you 160 00:10:32,730 --> 00:10:36,210 know, the American Civil War. What happened during the American Civil War. 161 00:10:36,370 --> 00:10:39,970 I know for a fact there's a podcast out there called 250 and counting, 162 00:10:40,050 --> 00:10:43,890 where they just talk about everything that happened 250 years ago on 163 00:10:43,890 --> 00:10:47,730 the date. So sometimes you hear about how 164 00:10:47,890 --> 00:10:51,570 one of your guys tried to attack Quebec, you know, 165 00:10:51,570 --> 00:10:54,730 during the war of the 1812 and all that. So it goes into a lot 166 00:10:54,730 --> 00:10:58,470 of history about what happened in, in America, and it's a great thing. 167 00:10:58,470 --> 00:11:01,910 That could be an added bonus for history teachers to show share. 168 00:11:02,310 --> 00:11:05,350 Right. So if you think schools have their history 169 00:11:05,830 --> 00:11:09,590 sectors, they can do history podcasts. They can do business podcasts, they can 170 00:11:09,590 --> 00:11:13,350 do, you know, electrical engineering, like hearing stories of how 171 00:11:13,910 --> 00:11:17,670 things were discovered. I don't know about electrical engineering, but 172 00:11:17,750 --> 00:11:21,510 like these are possible. So I want to see more universities do this and 173 00:11:21,750 --> 00:11:25,440 it's up to the like students pretty much to push for it, 174 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,880 but I can't wait. Well, everything 175 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,120 that happened in history, going to transition to everything 176 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,920 now is a TV show. 177 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,839 We're going to file this under platform shifts. Podcasting center of 178 00:11:40,839 --> 00:11:44,320 gravity continues to shift ToWards video, with YouTube 179 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,760 emerging as the dominant force reshaping how shows are produced, 180 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,530 discovered and consumed. On the podcast 181 00:11:51,530 --> 00:11:55,250 Galaxy Brain host Charlie Warzel examines how podcasts 182 00:11:55,250 --> 00:11:58,330 have morphed into something closer to daytime TV, 183 00:11:58,890 --> 00:12:02,690 with NPR's Rachel Martin describing how adding video to her 184 00:12:02,690 --> 00:12:06,489 show Wildcard fundamentally changed audience trust and 185 00:12:06,489 --> 00:12:10,290 engagement. Bloomberg reporter Ashley Carmen connects 186 00:12:10,290 --> 00:12:14,130 the dots from the podcast Gold Rush and Spotify's billion 187 00:12:14,130 --> 00:12:17,800 dollar bets to YouTube's quiet dominance. While 188 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,560 Derek Thompson argues that we've entered an era where everything 189 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:25,320 is television and podcasts are no longer just something you 190 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,680 listen to, but something you also watch. 191 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,559 And this one is probably going to hit the, it's going 192 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,240 to pull at our strings, I think for Phil and I, because we, 193 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,240 we are die hard podcast people. So 194 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,460 how much credit are we giving YouTube? How much are, are we 195 00:12:45,460 --> 00:12:49,020 counting as a podcast on YouTube? The numbers get really 196 00:12:49,020 --> 00:12:52,580 skewed and the muddy, the waters get really muddy when you start 197 00:12:52,580 --> 00:12:55,060 talking about YouTube's podcast dominance. 198 00:12:56,420 --> 00:13:00,020 I'll let you take this one first, Phil. All right, so here's the thing 199 00:13:00,100 --> 00:13:03,740 I want you to think about. How many video platforms are there out in the 200 00:13:03,740 --> 00:13:06,340 world? How many? 201 00:13:07,140 --> 00:13:10,580 There's, I mean, thousands of. You start counting Vimeo, Facebook, 202 00:13:10,580 --> 00:13:14,330 TikTok, Instagram. Well, right now there's, there's like 203 00:13:14,330 --> 00:13:16,490 three. We'll say there's three. You have 204 00:13:17,610 --> 00:13:21,210 YouTube dominating the market. It has 90 to 205 00:13:21,210 --> 00:13:25,010 99 of the market, right? When someone says, hey, where are you gonna 206 00:13:25,010 --> 00:13:28,810 watch a video? You go to YouTube. You have Vimeo, 207 00:13:28,889 --> 00:13:32,410 which is this close. Like Vimeo is there, but it's not, 208 00:13:33,050 --> 00:13:36,770 it's not at that level because they don't have everything behind it. 209 00:13:36,770 --> 00:13:40,510 And then you, yeah, you have the others, right? And Spotify can play in 210 00:13:40,510 --> 00:13:43,870 there because it does put up videos from time to time with the podcast now 211 00:13:43,870 --> 00:13:46,790 and they're trying to move in there, but 212 00:13:47,910 --> 00:13:51,630 that's it. So when people say YouTube dominates the podcasting space when it comes 213 00:13:51,630 --> 00:13:55,470 to video, it's because it's the only one doing it. Spotify isn't 214 00:13:55,470 --> 00:13:58,710 set up for it, it was set up as audio only. YouTube is the only 215 00:13:58,710 --> 00:14:02,470 video platform out there that exists for people like you and me to use. 216 00:14:03,430 --> 00:14:07,020 So when I. YouTube is, 217 00:14:07,260 --> 00:14:10,700 is okay. If you're going to be able to 218 00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:14,620 like, if, if you have a set like Jeff does and 219 00:14:14,620 --> 00:14:18,060 it, you can beautifully set it up and you have beautiful production and that then 220 00:14:18,060 --> 00:14:21,660 yes, video can work. However, a majority of people don't want to watch two 221 00:14:21,660 --> 00:14:25,460 people, two talking heads. They would rather I 222 00:14:25,460 --> 00:14:28,740 be in person beside Jeff so that they can actually have a more 223 00:14:28,740 --> 00:14:32,490 realistic expression. Yeah. Sitting right. I'm like 224 00:14:32,490 --> 00:14:35,890 literally pointing at the chair that I should be sitting in. 225 00:14:38,850 --> 00:14:42,450 But here's the thing. Podcast is audio. You're. You're 226 00:14:42,450 --> 00:14:46,290 listening to it. It's always going to be audio. There will be video. I believe 227 00:14:46,290 --> 00:14:49,530 YouTube will become the next is. Is already in the process of 228 00:14:49,530 --> 00:14:53,170 replacing standard TV because you can find 229 00:14:56,050 --> 00:14:59,810 sitcoms there. They're not die great. Because it hasn't been set up like that. 230 00:14:59,810 --> 00:15:03,580 YouTube is not made for that. It, it's made more for, you know, something that 231 00:15:03,580 --> 00:15:07,260 catches and changes. But I'm. You're going to be seeing YouTube 232 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:10,580 moving into that. It's already talking about it. If you, they're already 233 00:15:10,740 --> 00:15:14,500 lightly touching on it to turn it into a more television esque 234 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:17,540 thing because more people are watching YouTube on their TV. 235 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:21,460 So for me, a podcast will always be audio 236 00:15:22,420 --> 00:15:26,020 because that's what it started off with. It's, it's your voice. 237 00:15:26,820 --> 00:15:30,460 Video will be an intricate part for promotion and you should have 238 00:15:30,460 --> 00:15:34,040 clips on YouTube. I'm never going to say no to that because that's 239 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,720 necessary. That YouTube is a search search platform 240 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,280 just like Google is a search platform. So for me, 241 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,840 saying podcasting needs video is a lie because audio 242 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,240 does way better at convincing people to buy stuff than video 243 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,080 has. So yeah, I have a problem 244 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,360 with this. But I do agree that everything is becoming tv. 245 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,460 Yeah. And I think that podcasters are 246 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:05,900 really just laying down and let YouTube 247 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:09,460 commandeer what the definition of a 248 00:16:09,460 --> 00:16:13,060 podcast is. We just kind of like, okay, you know, about 249 00:16:13,060 --> 00:16:16,819 seven years ago, 2017, 2018, YouTube really started to make 250 00:16:16,819 --> 00:16:20,380 this play for redefining what a podcast is. 251 00:16:20,860 --> 00:16:24,660 And we're like, oh, that's so silly. It's YouTube. YouTube's not really a 252 00:16:24,660 --> 00:16:28,430 podcast platform. Oh, they're going to give us a link or we can connect 253 00:16:28,430 --> 00:16:31,550 our podcast to our channel. Okay, that's great. It's not really 254 00:16:32,030 --> 00:16:35,550 going to bother us. And what we do, we're producing audio content. 255 00:16:36,110 --> 00:16:39,470 You know, YouTube isn't a podcast platform. It's a. It's its own 256 00:16:39,470 --> 00:16:42,990 distribution system for distributing videos. We don't, as 257 00:16:42,990 --> 00:16:46,710 podcasters, we don't really care about that. And 258 00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:50,430 then slowly, YouTube just kept chipping away, chipping away 259 00:16:50,430 --> 00:16:53,820 and chipping away at what a definition of a podcast is. And I've got some 260 00:16:53,820 --> 00:16:57,540 articles coming up where we talk about, like, what has happened 261 00:16:57,540 --> 00:17:01,180 to the real definition of a podcast. The 262 00:17:01,180 --> 00:17:04,820 waters have gotten so muddy of what a podcast is that 263 00:17:05,140 --> 00:17:08,979 you ask Everybody, you ask 10 different people, you're going to get 10 different 264 00:17:08,979 --> 00:17:12,500 answers on what a podcast is anymore. And while 265 00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:16,060 purists have this, it's got to be an 266 00:17:16,060 --> 00:17:19,540 MP3 file Distributed by an RSS feed to some sort of aggregator. 267 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,440 It has to have some sort of distribution method that you're in 268 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,240 control of. That's really the defining core of the podcast. 269 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,520 And if you just upload to YouTube, you have no other 270 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,200 distribution. So we start saying, what is a podcast? 271 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,640 Why does everything have a video now? And 272 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,560 we need to really start to fight back what the definition of a podcast 273 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,080 is if we want to maintain what we're creating 274 00:17:47,060 --> 00:17:50,900 and keep and keep this as our thing. So 275 00:17:51,380 --> 00:17:54,020 this is how I look at it. I think a podcast is. 276 00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:58,860 Is audio, and vodcast is video. If you 277 00:17:58,860 --> 00:18:02,579 have a video version of your podcast, you have a vodcast. Like anything that goes 278 00:18:02,579 --> 00:18:06,100 on YouTube. That, for me, is a vodcast. It's a video podcast, 279 00:18:06,420 --> 00:18:10,100 right? Making things simple, it's a vodcast. If you're just distributing audio, 280 00:18:10,340 --> 00:18:14,020 you have a podcast. If you listen to it on Apple itunes 281 00:18:14,020 --> 00:18:17,740 or Apple podcasts, it's a podcast. When you watch it on YouTube, it's a 282 00:18:17,740 --> 00:18:21,460 vodcast. If you make exclusive content for YouTube and you 283 00:18:21,460 --> 00:18:25,300 don't do the audio versions, then you just have a vodcast. You don't 284 00:18:25,300 --> 00:18:29,100 have a podcast. I think if we start pushing that and 285 00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:32,500 people understand the difference between a podcast and a vodcast, 286 00:18:33,300 --> 00:18:36,820 it's going to help a lot more people understand. Like, if 287 00:18:37,060 --> 00:18:40,900 you have both a podcast, like, you produce the audio and the 288 00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:44,660 video like Jeff does for this show, then you can say you have a 289 00:18:44,660 --> 00:18:47,540 podcast. I will not. I will not be upset if you say, yeah, you can 290 00:18:47,540 --> 00:18:51,100 listen to my podcast on YouTube or on Apple itunes, because you 291 00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:54,739 release both, that is okay for me. It's the people who 292 00:18:54,739 --> 00:18:58,300 only release the video on YouTube that say they have a 293 00:18:58,300 --> 00:19:01,740 podcast. That is where I get upset. And I think we should be putting our 294 00:19:01,740 --> 00:19:05,270 foot down saying, no, you have a vodcast. If you start flipping 295 00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:08,790 tables, I'll flip. A table right now. Well, I won't because I like my 296 00:19:08,790 --> 00:19:12,190 MacBook not being destroyed, but I'll flip a table or two. 297 00:19:12,990 --> 00:19:16,830 At the end of the day. I, and I think Phil will as well. 298 00:19:17,070 --> 00:19:20,870 We'll still support the independent creators. I'm not. I don't want to get 299 00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:24,630 so hung up in the hundred percent, but I do think we have to start 300 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:27,910 thinking way outside the box of what we're calling a 301 00:19:27,910 --> 00:19:31,560 podcast. And we really have to either relax that 302 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,320 definition and just embrace independent content creation 303 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,480 or get start making fists and start defending 304 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,120 it. Yeah, like look into 100%. 305 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:46,760 If you're an independent person, you have no team 306 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,200 with you and you're just doing it to do the love of the game 307 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:54,000 cool. The minute you start putting in money into your 308 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,840 game, that's when you have to decide, am I going? What are 309 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,650 you going to do where you're standing? I personally think if 310 00:20:01,650 --> 00:20:05,250 you're just producing audio, you're a podcaster. If you're producing video 311 00:20:05,250 --> 00:20:08,970 audio, you're a podcaster. If you're doing video only, you're a vodcaster. 312 00:20:09,130 --> 00:20:12,610 That's my thing. Or you're a YouTuber. Why not just call them a YouTuber like 313 00:20:12,610 --> 00:20:16,049 we used to call them before podcasts got into it and people 314 00:20:16,049 --> 00:20:18,330 uploaded on YouTube, they were a YouTuber. 315 00:20:20,330 --> 00:20:23,890 While we're celebrating the definition of a 316 00:20:23,890 --> 00:20:27,700 podcast and independent podcast, why don't we go to 317 00:20:29,620 --> 00:20:32,860 the I love this one. Sobee Whiff. I think that's what they call it. South 318 00:20:32,860 --> 00:20:36,420 Beach Wine and Food Festival. Okay, this is going 319 00:20:36,980 --> 00:20:40,580 full festival mode. Wait till you hear this lineup. 320 00:20:40,660 --> 00:20:44,180 Live podcasting is scaling up into a full day festival 321 00:20:44,180 --> 00:20:47,780 experience as iHeartRadio launches Chew on this. 322 00:20:48,020 --> 00:20:51,620 A live podcast series at the Miami Beach Band Show. 323 00:20:52,150 --> 00:20:55,870 The event brings five major podcasts to one stage with a single 324 00:20:55,870 --> 00:20:59,030 ticket granting access to the entire lineup 325 00:20:59,270 --> 00:21:03,030 plus food and drinks included. I think tickets were about $100. 326 00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:07,190 From comedy and pop culture to food and lifestyle, the series 327 00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:10,790 blends live performance, personality driven content 328 00:21:11,030 --> 00:21:14,510 and experiential entertainment into one immersive 329 00:21:14,510 --> 00:21:18,240 afternoon. This isn't just a live recording. It's a 330 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,480 curated, curated destination event that 331 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,240 positions podcasts alongside music festivals and 332 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,680 comedy showcases. And you have some amazing 333 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,600 like. This is a great lineup. Obviously it's 334 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,400 probably Bert Kreischer being the headliner with Something's Burning being 335 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,040 the big name on this, but they're all relative. I checked out 336 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,760 these podcasts and these, these channels and these people before and there are 337 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,480 relatively big names and it is interesting 338 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,680 to see them Going there. I love how you have 339 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,600 a television network, Food Network, promoting this, 340 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,760 pushing this big thing, bringing, again, bringing the podcast 341 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,520 out of the basement. As you look at me and you listen to me, 342 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,160 I am in like a basement setting with a stone wall behind 343 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,960 me. Yeah, the dungeon. You know, coming out of these dungeon studios 344 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,640 and bringing them to where people can actually interact with the 345 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,360 podcasters and you can actually see because for some reason 346 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:20,800 people think, oh, only 20 people listen to my podcast. 347 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:24,320 That's 20 people. You put 20 people in a room. That's a lot of people 348 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,000 in a small room. Right. So I, I love this. 349 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,560 I'm hoping more and more festivals bring out 350 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,640 podcasters that are related to the festival 351 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,200 and do live events. I know just for laughs here was doing a, did a 352 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,040 couple podcast recordings a few years ago. I don't know 353 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,160 if they're still doing it, but I want to see more events like this. 354 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,320 More mid level to 1% podcasters 355 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,080 on it, talking, doing live shows again. I think 2026 going 356 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,760 forward because of the AI scare, I think we're going to be seeing. It's going 357 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,760 to be the age of the live events 358 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,320 100%. And one of the things that we talked about 359 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,150 in the show early on was in the 1980s, 360 00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:11,990 there were all these bands touring around and 361 00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:16,070 you know, the glam rock, heavy metal rock became this thing. 362 00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:20,470 And you could go to a show, you'd see a band and an opening act 363 00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:24,310 and maybe a local band, all in the same genre. But 364 00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:27,750 then they got together and they said, hey, we're filling stadiums. 365 00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:31,910 We could fill more stadiums more often. And they created 366 00:23:31,910 --> 00:23:35,430 this thing called Monsters of Rock Tour and which was like 15 367 00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:39,270 of the greatest heavy metal bands in the world. Then you had things like 368 00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:43,310 Lollapalooza, Lilith Fair, the Vans Warped 369 00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:47,150 Tour. Well, what happened is as people got bigger and as 370 00:23:47,150 --> 00:23:50,950 punk like for the Warped Tour, as the punk bands got bigger and can fill 371 00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:54,790 bigger venues, they started to pull together, right. And 372 00:23:54,790 --> 00:23:57,670 they started to build these events. And we've, we've seen 373 00:23:57,910 --> 00:24:01,280 podcasters who are celebrities and comedians, 374 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,320 we've seen them individually start to fill theaters and fill 375 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,080 arenas. But it's going to come a point where people are going 376 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,720 to want more value for their money. And so those 377 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,000 people will start to pull around each other. If it's a comedian, you might see 378 00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:19,520 two or three comedians on the same ticket doing a live 379 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,240 podcast. And this is kind of what we're starting to see, what we've been talking 380 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,560 about with this south beach wine and food festival 381 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,680 where here's some podcasts that are somewhat centered around 382 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,960 restaurants, local business, food and wine and drinks. 383 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,800 And they're pulling together to make this 384 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,600 massive event all around a single topic. So if 385 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,360 you love these types of shows, if you like these celebrities and their 386 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:49,080 jokes and you know something's burning, it's a cooking 387 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,840 show that's a, it's a. By a comedian. You're going to get 388 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,490 this experience based around food with all these 389 00:24:56,490 --> 00:24:59,850 other people who also love experiences based around food. 390 00:25:00,330 --> 00:25:04,010 So you're starting to see talent pull together to make 391 00:25:04,010 --> 00:25:07,610 bigger and bigger events. And for, for 100 bucks for a whole night 392 00:25:07,690 --> 00:25:11,329 and including food and drinks, it's not a 393 00:25:11,329 --> 00:25:15,130 bad deal to have, you know, four or five shows presented to you 394 00:25:15,450 --> 00:25:18,730 and be fed and, and get, and stay 395 00:25:18,730 --> 00:25:22,490 hydrated. Yeah, I think this is a, a great thing. 396 00:25:22,570 --> 00:25:26,210 Like you said, it's reminiscence of when the bands got 397 00:25:26,210 --> 00:25:29,670 together for of fair, you know, Van's Warp tour, 398 00:25:31,270 --> 00:25:34,990 all the big ones doing the tours and that. And then yeah, we do, we 399 00:25:34,990 --> 00:25:38,630 have seen podcasts fill out arenas, you have 400 00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:42,470 the shits and gigs, doing the O2 arena, selling 401 00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:46,310 out the O2 arena, but also doing a worldwide tour. Then you 402 00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:50,150 have basement yard, doing the. 403 00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:53,910 Not the Garden. They've done two. 404 00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:57,790 What's the big one in New York? The kill. Madison Square Gardens. They've done 405 00:25:57,790 --> 00:26:01,490 Madison Square Gardens. They sold out there. You know, these are some big 406 00:26:01,490 --> 00:26:04,530 time places and you're seeing 407 00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:07,810 podcasters do this more and more, selling out 408 00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:11,650 small theaters, bigger venues 409 00:26:12,450 --> 00:26:15,490 and yeah, I hope there will be a podcast tour. Like some, 410 00:26:16,050 --> 00:26:19,890 some comedians do that podcast, do a tour, right? Three or 411 00:26:19,890 --> 00:26:23,170 four of them get together, they go and call up a whole bunch of venues 412 00:26:23,170 --> 00:26:26,960 and book a whole bunch of venues. Do that small tour, split 413 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,800 the money together because it's a cheaper ticket. I think podcasters can do 414 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,480 that and it's going to be even more beneficial for them. I'm looking 415 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,320 forward to seeing more and more of them do that. 416 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,479 A win win all around pull together. You probably 417 00:26:42,479 --> 00:26:46,040 have friends in your area, just see if you can put a show together. So 418 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,800 can two or three of you have a night out, plan a podcast, 419 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,900 do it live in front of your friends, have a little party, get a keg 420 00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:56,660 of beer, have some fun putting on a show and just see what 421 00:26:56,660 --> 00:27:00,180 happens and see how much podcasting change for you and your perspective 422 00:27:00,180 --> 00:27:04,020 changes when you see what podcasting can be as a live event, not 423 00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:07,860 just something that you record in your basement. But you don't have to just record 424 00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:11,180 in your basement. You can go to Johannesburg. 425 00:27:11,660 --> 00:27:14,700 We've got Podcasting goes global and 426 00:27:14,940 --> 00:27:18,420 integrated live podcasting is expanding beyond the 427 00:27:18,420 --> 00:27:22,020 standalone conferences and into fully integrated creative 428 00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:25,710 summits as Johannesburg prepares to host 429 00:27:25,710 --> 00:27:29,550 Africa's first integrated Creative Summit in February 430 00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:33,150 2026. It'll be held at the Santon Convention 431 00:27:33,150 --> 00:27:36,470 Center. The three day event brings podcasters together with 432 00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:39,790 filmmakers, broadcasters, content creators, technology 433 00:27:39,870 --> 00:27:43,590 innovators, and they put them all under one roof. The summit 434 00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:47,390 includes live podcast recordings, hands on workshops and 435 00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:50,660 sessions on African storytelling and AI driven 436 00:27:50,660 --> 00:27:53,940 production, positioning podcasting as a core 437 00:27:53,940 --> 00:27:57,660 pillar of the broader creator economy rather 438 00:27:57,660 --> 00:28:01,380 than a niche medium. And this is one of those ones 439 00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:04,860 that is building on and if you can be at this place where 440 00:28:05,339 --> 00:28:08,540 all these other experts at creating content are going to be there, 441 00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:12,780 how much does that help lift podcasting in this 442 00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:16,580 area? Oh, I think this is freaking genius. 443 00:28:16,580 --> 00:28:20,060 This is these the. The Johannesburg's 444 00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:23,980 event in Africa. This is going to give a major leg up to 445 00:28:24,380 --> 00:28:27,820 all the creative podcasters out there because they're going to be connecting with 446 00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:31,620 businesses that want to get into podcasting and there's a chance 447 00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:35,300 for collaborations, understanding the next level of game that's coming down 448 00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:38,940 the route. This is. I am 449 00:28:39,260 --> 00:28:42,940 so jealous of how big this event's going to 450 00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:46,780 be. It's. It's something that is going 451 00:28:46,780 --> 00:28:50,380 to be insane and I, I'm looking forward to hearing more about it. And how 452 00:28:50,620 --> 00:28:54,460 about the experiences at this event. I'll get your passports updated. 453 00:28:54,460 --> 00:28:58,140 You have till February 26. I hope to see you there. I. 454 00:28:58,140 --> 00:29:01,820 I don't think I'll be there though. It's the 9th 455 00:29:01,820 --> 00:29:05,580 to 11th in 2026, so you have a. You have at least a 456 00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:08,100 month or two to get a month and a few days to get tickets to 457 00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:11,620 go. Get your affairs in order. Here we go. So we're going to the end 458 00:29:11,620 --> 00:29:15,300 of the year this year. End of year Podcasts go live. We've been 459 00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:19,140 seeing all the year end recaps, all the remixes 460 00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:22,380 of your past year, but here's one from Tech Guide. 461 00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:26,540 Most podcasters are turning milestone episodes into live 462 00:29:26,540 --> 00:29:29,900 events, including the two blokes Talking Tech 463 00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:32,980 Podcast, which wrapped its year with episode 464 00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:36,540 713, recorded live in front of an audience. 465 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,040 Hosted by Steven Fennec and Trevor Long, the 466 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,480 live show reflected on the year's biggest tech hits and 467 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,920 misses while previewing what's ahead in 2026. 468 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,000 Backed by sponsors Arlo and Netgear, the episode was 469 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,840 recorded once and distributed everywhere. That's a strategy that Phil 470 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,200 and I love. Live audience YouTube and audio 471 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,800 platforms highlighting how live Podcasting, sponsorship 472 00:30:03,130 --> 00:30:06,770 and multi format format distribution now work 473 00:30:06,770 --> 00:30:10,210 together as a single strategy. And because of that 474 00:30:10,210 --> 00:30:13,930 distribution, Phil, I think you should take this one. This is, 475 00:30:13,930 --> 00:30:17,690 this is freaking genius. This is genius. Again, doing your milestones, 476 00:30:18,090 --> 00:30:21,650 it allows you to set the precedent to your audience. They know, 477 00:30:21,650 --> 00:30:25,370 oh, hey, 50, 100, 150, 750, 478 00:30:25,770 --> 00:30:29,170 whatever. Whenever you guys hit a milestone that you guys are going to celebrate with 479 00:30:29,170 --> 00:30:32,960 your audience, allow your audience to have that celebration with you and then 480 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,600 you distribute it afterwards, right? This is, this is insane because it 481 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,360 creates FOMO to the audience. They're like, oh 482 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,120 no, we're missing out hearing and seeing and maybe even getting to ask questions 483 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,720 of our favorite podcast host. Like if I had the opportunity to go see 484 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,320 Kevin Smith live, you know, I'm there. I already have a 485 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,720 standing invitation when one of my friends who 486 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,160 podcasts has Kevin Smith on the podcast, that I'm allowed to be in the audience, 487 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,830 like be there for it. Okay, this 488 00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:04,950 is, this is insane. I, I am, 489 00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:09,750 I, I, I want to see more podcasts do this. They need to understand that 490 00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:13,430 you need to connect with your audience. Again, this is also a reason 491 00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:17,070 why you should be niching or niching down however you want to pronounce 492 00:31:17,070 --> 00:31:20,750 it to. Not only the subject that you're talking 493 00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:24,390 about, but also the location you're talking about can be 494 00:31:24,390 --> 00:31:28,070 your niche down or niche down, right? You can be the number 495 00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:31,710 one podcast in Trenton, Pennsylvania, which 496 00:31:31,870 --> 00:31:35,390 duty and the News is because it's the only news 497 00:31:35,390 --> 00:31:38,270 podcast in the area, right? So it's the number one 498 00:31:38,830 --> 00:31:42,510 podcast news podcast for Trenton Pencil, Pennsylvania. 499 00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:45,190 And you put that in your show notes, you put that on your website, you 500 00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:49,030 put that everywhere. It's going to pick up, it's going to be number one. People 501 00:31:49,030 --> 00:31:51,110 are going to start to believe it. They're going to come out and listen to 502 00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:54,740 you. Right? That's how you can also niche down or niche down and 503 00:31:54,890 --> 00:31:58,650 instead of just being on the topic, it's your location. That's a, 504 00:31:58,810 --> 00:32:02,250 that's why I think celebrating your big 505 00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:05,850 wins by telling your audience where you're going to be, say, hey, I'm going to 506 00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:09,570 be at the PTI Theater in Trenton, Pennsylvania. So you should come 507 00:32:09,570 --> 00:32:13,250 down and celebrate. I know, Jeff, you've had a couple big ones celebrated in 508 00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:17,050 your theater, haven't you? Yeah, we've had some year end wrap ups. We, the 509 00:32:17,050 --> 00:32:20,870 rap parties are the most fun that after they complete a season or 510 00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:24,710 in between seasons one and two, they'll have parties and they'll bring catering 511 00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:28,390 in, they'll bring their Fans and they give out prizes and auction. It's a lot. 512 00:32:28,390 --> 00:32:31,910 It's. It's a tremendous amount of fun. And it's an 513 00:32:31,910 --> 00:32:35,710 aspect of podcasting you don't really think of. And the example in 514 00:32:35,710 --> 00:32:39,350 this story, think about your own podcast, right? These two, 515 00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:43,070 two blokes, they go live. What are they doing? One, they got a 516 00:32:43,070 --> 00:32:46,720 venue. They're selling tickets. They might be selling merchants, they might be 517 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,440 selling a VIP experience where you can come and hang out, have a 518 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,160 couple of beers with them afterwards. You know, they can do all these things 519 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,400 that tease up that ticket value and deliver value to their audience. 520 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,440 But the big thing, this was all part of their distribution 521 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,200 tactic to one, record this live show. So if you're there 522 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,880 in the moment, you get to experience it. But they also record it. 523 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,520 And distributed as their own podcast. They put the video up on YouTube. 524 00:33:13,060 --> 00:33:15,780 So now you can relive that moment if you weren't able to make it. Maybe 525 00:33:15,780 --> 00:33:19,300 you don't live in that town, but you're a fan of these two blokes. You 526 00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:22,620 can listen to it when it gets released through their 527 00:33:22,620 --> 00:33:26,180 podcast, through their MP3 aggregator to their 528 00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:29,460 podcast apps. You'll be able to download that episode when it comes out. 529 00:33:29,860 --> 00:33:33,700 And now they can sell ad space on the podcast. They can get 530 00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:37,340 sponsors for the podcast. They had sponsors for the event, why not sponsors 531 00:33:37,340 --> 00:33:40,980 for it? So start thinking about your content 532 00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:44,740 that you're creating on this much bigger level. Live events add 533 00:33:44,740 --> 00:33:48,020 a whole nother element, a whole other way to monetize that you don't even think 534 00:33:48,020 --> 00:33:51,780 about. It's just another part of that ecosystem 535 00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:55,540 that you're building that you can really tap into over time. Yeah. And 536 00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:56,420 I think 537 00:33:59,540 --> 00:34:03,220 we're starting to see the dominoes start falling. 538 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:06,900 The bigger podcasts have been doing it, but like, I don't know how big two 539 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:10,020 blokes talking tech is, but 540 00:34:10,660 --> 00:34:14,220 you're going to be. Start seeing even the smaller ones do these live events like, 541 00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:18,020 you've had a few that I probably wouldn't call major league, 542 00:34:18,340 --> 00:34:22,100 but they've. They've been able to fill out the studio, 543 00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:25,940 the theater with their events. Right. And these are huge, 544 00:34:26,340 --> 00:34:29,940 huge for even a small thing to have 20 people sitting in your theater when 545 00:34:29,940 --> 00:34:33,500 you're doing a podcast, that really shows you the dedication of one, your audience, but 546 00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:37,270 also how crazy it is that you have 547 00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:40,310 20 people listening and you can look at them in the eyes and to actually 548 00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:44,070 talk to them one on one. So I think podcasters 549 00:34:44,070 --> 00:34:47,790 should be building in live events, either networking with 550 00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:51,550 local venues or even Just 551 00:34:51,550 --> 00:34:54,670 trying to get it together and just do a live event somewhere, 552 00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:58,990 either virtually like we're doing here, Jeff, or actually in person. 553 00:34:59,390 --> 00:35:03,110 Because I think it's going to benefit podcasters a lot more because it's going to 554 00:35:03,110 --> 00:35:06,230 create that connection and build that community that is so, 555 00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:09,750 so needed in podcasting, because that's the only way you're going to grow. 556 00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:14,430 Yeah, a lot of podcasters get discouraged because they do 557 00:35:14,430 --> 00:35:18,070 see these other podcasters filling theaters, filling arenas. I tell 558 00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:21,870 people who come in here and sit through the Pittsburgh Podcast 559 00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:25,590 meetup, I do some speeches from the stage. I tell them like 20 560 00:35:25,590 --> 00:35:27,750 people. And some of them are like, oh, I don't know, do I want to 561 00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:31,600 do that for 20 people? And then I said, look at your business model now 562 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,280 look at what you're doing. You're trying to build this podcast and you're trying to 563 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,040 get to host red ads. It's like your big goal. And you don't have 564 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,760 20 people probably listening now. But I'm telling you, you get 565 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,560 20 people, your friends, your family, your relatives, you get them to 566 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,040 come in, you get 20 people. And let's say you make $5 a 567 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,880 ticket in profit. You just made a hundred dollars for one episode 568 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,030 of your podcast for 90% of people. 569 00:35:58,070 --> 00:36:01,790 That is more money than your podcast has ever made. What 570 00:36:01,790 --> 00:36:05,430 happens next time we do a live show? You get 30 people and then 40 571 00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:08,870 people. This is something that scales faster 572 00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:13,110 than trying to just be a person who reads ads. 573 00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:16,950 For $20 per thousand downloads, you can 574 00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:20,640 exponentially surpass that at a smaller scale, which 575 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,160 we know from looking at server logs from Buzzsprout, server logs from 576 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,960 Libsyn. 90% of podcasters aren't even getting a thousand 577 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,680 downloads an episode. So most of you aren't even get to 578 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,360 $20. But with four people in an audience in front of you and you 579 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,800 make $5 per person, those four people equal 580 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,840 what you're chasing with a thousand downloads. So I'm 581 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,400 bullish on live events. And I will give you the money ball math anytime 582 00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:50,380 you call me up, I'll put my cell phone probably not in the show notes, 583 00:36:50,540 --> 00:36:54,140 but you can email me how live 584 00:36:54,140 --> 00:36:57,500 events are for 90% of podcasters. 585 00:36:57,980 --> 00:37:01,740 A much more strategical way to approach this as a 586 00:37:01,740 --> 00:37:05,420 business. So I want to give an anecdotal 587 00:37:06,060 --> 00:37:09,740 piece of evidence here. One of the podcasts that 588 00:37:10,220 --> 00:37:14,000 I help grow through the business I work with, 589 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,760 the agency did their first live event. Okay, 590 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,760 this is a non profit. So they, they're very, they. 591 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,480 They don't do live events. They've been running the podcast for about four years 592 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,200 now. I want to say five years. Sorry, five years. They've done their first. 593 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,880 They did two first this season. They've done their first live event which was 594 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,160 recorded earlier this month. And they also did a Reddit ama. 595 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,250 The Reddit ama. They, they already were like, 596 00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:43,850 it may not be that good. To the credit, we got 597 00:37:43,850 --> 00:37:46,930 about, about a dozen questions in the hour that we ran the 598 00:37:47,330 --> 00:37:50,730 MAM on Reddit, which was great because they had no 599 00:37:50,730 --> 00:37:54,489 expectations. It was amazing. This is something you can do as a podcaster. 600 00:37:54,489 --> 00:37:58,010 You can start promoting it, check with Reddit, check the threads, sub 601 00:37:58,010 --> 00:38:01,490 threads, have your own sub thread and have an AMA there. However, 602 00:38:01,650 --> 00:38:05,090 the live event, they were very worried about the live event. It. 603 00:38:05,810 --> 00:38:09,570 The person, the, the project lead was panicking and it was a 604 00:38:09,570 --> 00:38:13,090 nearly all hands on deck. We did it. They did it 605 00:38:13,090 --> 00:38:16,890 in a. Where the stars. You 606 00:38:16,890 --> 00:38:20,450 go see the stars planetarium room right where you can lean back. 607 00:38:20,450 --> 00:38:24,130 And they were doing it. Something that's music and DNA. 608 00:38:25,890 --> 00:38:29,690 They were so worried it went off with it. There were mistakes, there 609 00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:33,100 were little hiccups, but they had about a hundred to two. 610 00:38:33,260 --> 00:38:36,740 Just under 150 people show up. Now this is a 611 00:38:36,740 --> 00:38:40,500 podcast. Yes. It has the money to do promotions and it's, 612 00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,900 it's won awards and it's done really well. But they started 613 00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:48,140 and if I, if I, if ever they can put a case study. They 614 00:38:48,140 --> 00:38:51,940 started with near nobody listening to their podcast and 615 00:38:51,940 --> 00:38:54,780 it took them five years to get to a point where they can do a 616 00:38:54,780 --> 00:38:58,390 live audience and nearly sell out the whole venue. 617 00:38:59,830 --> 00:39:03,550 If you start now, you'll start planting the seeds in 618 00:39:03,550 --> 00:39:07,270 your audience that you are big enough to have live events 619 00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:11,670 and you should be doing it because it's going to be worth it because 620 00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:15,790 you'll be able to get 100 people at a point at a place and 621 00:39:15,790 --> 00:39:19,550 they're going to be celebrating you. So that's what I say, do 622 00:39:19,550 --> 00:39:23,270 it now because the brands are doing it. And before you know it, it's going 623 00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:26,410 to be like, oh, you guys, you guys are just following our trend. You should 624 00:39:26,410 --> 00:39:29,970 be setting the trend. So do it, do it now. 625 00:39:30,450 --> 00:39:34,210 And then soon you'll be able to sell out as much 626 00:39:34,210 --> 00:39:38,050 of a stadium as the girls Group chat. From sold out to 627 00:39:38,050 --> 00:39:41,690 stadium stage. This one comes to us from the Dairy Journal. We'll 628 00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:44,610 file this under live podcast Touring 629 00:39:45,090 --> 00:39:48,610 podcast. Live shows continue to scale at a pace few could have 630 00:39:48,610 --> 00:39:52,300 predicted except on Poduty and the News as the girls 631 00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:56,100 Group chat announces a massive return with a headline 632 00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:59,540 show at the SSE arena in September 633 00:39:59,540 --> 00:40:02,780 2026 following a sold out performance at 634 00:40:02,780 --> 00:40:06,340 Waterfront hall, hosts Diona Doherty, Jordan 635 00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:10,140 Arnold, Shannon Mitchell and Olivia McVeigh are 636 00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:13,620 bringing their unfiltered conversations to a full arena 637 00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:17,340 audience. It's another clear signal that podcasting has evolved 638 00:40:17,340 --> 00:40:21,170 beyond small theaters, with shows now selling tickets 639 00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:25,090 at the same scale as comedy tours and live 640 00:40:25,570 --> 00:40:29,370 entertainment acts. We have arrived. Feel better. I love 641 00:40:29,370 --> 00:40:32,370 it. Like this is again, more proof and more evidence. 642 00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:36,290 When you have good content that connects with an audience, 643 00:40:37,250 --> 00:40:40,770 you can end up going to doing live events and people will come to support 644 00:40:40,850 --> 00:40:43,810 you. This is. Yes, 645 00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:48,290 some of these ladies are actresses and actors, but 646 00:40:48,290 --> 00:40:51,700 once again I. What I love about this is it's proving 647 00:40:52,740 --> 00:40:56,340 the stats right. So it just recently. I don't think it was, 648 00:40:56,420 --> 00:41:00,180 it was Tom Webster. I think I want to. I'm not sure, but it was, 649 00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:04,780 it was an association with sound profits. They 650 00:41:04,780 --> 00:41:07,700 did a, they did a 651 00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:12,740 survey thing study and they said that 652 00:41:12,740 --> 00:41:15,730 females are underrepresented in 653 00:41:15,730 --> 00:41:19,250 podcasting but make up a majority of the listeners 654 00:41:20,050 --> 00:41:23,650 as well as 55 plus age 655 00:41:23,650 --> 00:41:27,370 55 plus. So if you're listening to this and you are 656 00:41:27,370 --> 00:41:31,050 a lady, you should have a podcast because you can, you 657 00:41:31,050 --> 00:41:34,250 can end up being like the dairy Girls. Like we've seen it so often. How 658 00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:37,930 many of these female led podcasts, which I love, love 659 00:41:37,930 --> 00:41:41,690 because they should be represented, you have caller daddy, you have 660 00:41:42,730 --> 00:41:46,090 this one. There's a few others out there, the Mel 661 00:41:46,090 --> 00:41:49,770 Robinson podcast that promote 662 00:41:49,770 --> 00:41:53,490 it and women support women and then you go to a whole 663 00:41:53,490 --> 00:41:57,330 venue. Have you. I've seen some comedians, female 664 00:41:57,330 --> 00:42:00,970 comedians doing kind of like a sit down talk show and the audience 665 00:42:00,970 --> 00:42:04,490 is gobbling it up and loving it. I think this is 666 00:42:04,490 --> 00:42:08,230 huge. We need more of it. I just want more live podcasts. I'll 667 00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:10,430 say bap, bap, bap. For Whitney Cummins. 668 00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:15,710 That's sure, sure, sure, sure. I was like her little catchphrase 669 00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:19,390 for a while. I don't think she does it anymore. But there 670 00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:23,150 is tremendous opportunity. And you're right, I 671 00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:26,830 think it was Tom Webster. It was. A significant amount of 672 00:42:26,830 --> 00:42:30,630 podcasts are produced by men. It was, it's skewed 673 00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:33,150 like 70%, 75%. 674 00:42:34,540 --> 00:42:37,980 So there is opportunity and there is a growing audience 675 00:42:38,300 --> 00:42:41,940 of women who want more women led podcasts. 676 00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:45,500 So that is one of the fastest growing markets right now. There's enough 677 00:42:45,820 --> 00:42:49,420 white guys with microphones. You got two of them right now on a podcast. Like 678 00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:53,140 we don't need more of those. Yeah. So I mean for every two white. Guys 679 00:42:53,140 --> 00:42:56,900 who have at Least one female podcast. No, it's probably like five 680 00:42:56,900 --> 00:43:00,440 to one at this point. Yeah, it's upsetting, but it is a 681 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,200 fast growing segment and when they put 682 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,200 on events like this, Call Her Daddy just had a documentary on Hulu. If you 683 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,040 get a chance to watch it, it is a tremendous testament 684 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,680 to the power of connection that she has from the 685 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,360 stage to her fans. So just watch that. If 686 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,160 you don't think that that's possible for you, you're crazy. 687 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,030 There's such an opportunity to make these connections on deeper levels and 688 00:43:26,340 --> 00:43:30,180 have more meaningful conversations. Watch. I don't know what 689 00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:33,740 the documentary is called, but just search Call Her Daddy on Hulu. It is a 690 00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:37,580 great documentary about her. Guess what she's doing. She's setting up a 691 00:43:37,580 --> 00:43:41,380 tour to take Call Her Daddy on the road. So if there's any more 692 00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:44,740 testament to that. Live podcasting is a thing that is 693 00:43:44,740 --> 00:43:48,420 happening everywhere, all the time, is growing 694 00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:52,260 and growing and growing. Pduti'sPodcast Theater is the small step 695 00:43:52,260 --> 00:43:55,950 for independent podcasters, but we know that it's, it's 696 00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:59,110 way bigger than what we're. We built here outside of Pittsburgh. 697 00:43:59,430 --> 00:44:03,110 It's, it's. I personally think if you're an independent 698 00:44:03,110 --> 00:44:06,750 podcaster in the Pennsylvania area, I think you should 699 00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:10,470 try Poduty Theater first to do your first live event. 700 00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:14,590 Because one, there's very little pressure. 701 00:44:14,590 --> 00:44:18,350 It's very intimate. Jeff is world class. I did my 702 00:44:18,350 --> 00:44:22,150 first ever international speaking gig there and Jeff took 703 00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:25,510 care of me 100%. He will make sure that you have a 704 00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:29,110 banger of an episode. Even if you have five people in the 705 00:44:29,110 --> 00:44:32,150 audience, it's going to be killer because you get to interact with those five people 706 00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:36,230 and those five people will remember meeting their favorite 707 00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:39,950 podcaster. And I love feeding you too. We get 708 00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:42,870 some more of that pizza. Oh, God, that pizza is delicious. 709 00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:48,190 Well, that can mean only one thing. We've come to the 710 00:44:48,190 --> 00:44:51,430 end of this episode of Pduti and the News. I want to hear all about 711 00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:55,030 feel better. How can I connect with you? Listen to your podcast 712 00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:58,790 and book some time. Well, ladies and 713 00:44:58,790 --> 00:45:02,270 gentlemen, thank you so much for listening to Poduty and the News with your special 714 00:45:02,270 --> 00:45:05,910 guest, Phil Better, the podcast Mogul. Now, if you're interested in learning how 715 00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:09,350 to grow or monetize your podcast, you can always check out 716 00:45:10,070 --> 00:45:13,270 the podcast mogul.com or you can search me on 717 00:45:13,710 --> 00:45:17,270 all social media at the Podcast Mogul. Now, there's 718 00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:20,950 multiple podcasts that I do host myself. So if you are listening 719 00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:24,750 to this podcast, I want you to go over to the search feature on Your 720 00:45:24,750 --> 00:45:28,390 podcast player and search the Podcast Moguls 721 00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:31,710 playbook to learn how to grow, monetize, and launch your 722 00:45:31,710 --> 00:45:34,950 podcast. But if you want to learn how to be a business person or understand 723 00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:38,390 the world of business, then you're going to go look for Invest in 724 00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:42,160 Yourself, the Digital Entrepreneur podcast, which has been going for 725 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,000 over 600 episodes. Now. I've done something horribly wrong 726 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,800 as a podcaster and I as a podcast coach. I tell my people only to 727 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,960 have one call to action. So this is what I want you to do. This 728 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,440 is what you will do. You will go on to whatever social media 729 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,000 platform you want. You're going to search for the podcast mogul, you're going to follow 730 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,440 me, then you're going to DM me and I will send you the links for 731 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,960 you. I thank you so much. Jeff. You've been a. 732 00:46:10,690 --> 00:46:14,450 You did the mute thing again. Yeah, it does it automatically, I think. I. I 733 00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:18,290 don't know how it happened. It's magic. It is. 734 00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:21,130 It's magic. I think you did it. It's all. I didn't do anything. I'm sitting 735 00:46:21,130 --> 00:46:24,890 right here. You had the power. You have a. Probably clicked 736 00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:27,330 something. Well, 737 00:46:28,610 --> 00:46:32,370 you said only one call to action and I'll put all those call to actions 738 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,720 in the show notes, but I got, I got more for you. I've got 739 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:40,280 Poduty shirts. We got them $10, four colors, five 740 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,080 sizes, $10 a shirt. They're gonna go up to $15 at the start 741 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,880 of the year, but the early birds get them for just $10. A tremendous 742 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,360 shirt, 100% caught. And guess what just came in. 743 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,640 Poduty hats. Poduty hats, $15 as well. 744 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,520 And I want you to host your show here. If you liked anything that we 745 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,840 talked about, if you see any potential in our 746 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,560 beautiful Christmas decorated stage, I want to thank my daughters for putting the stage 747 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,320 together. If you think that what I talk about and what Phil talks 748 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,960 about is the future of podcasting is immersive in 749 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,280 person, events, experiences, face to face 750 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,080 conversations with your fans. This is something to consider whether 751 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,800 you're near here in Pittsburgh or in Cleveland, Ohio, or 752 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,550 Las Vegas or Seattle or Miami 753 00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:31,510 or Fort Lauderdale or even Charlotte. I can keep naming cities if 754 00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:35,310 you'd like, but there are ways to produce live 755 00:47:35,310 --> 00:47:39,030 podcasts in your hometown, so figure it out. Is 756 00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:42,870 there a library, a coffee shop? Is there a civic space? Is there 757 00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:46,070 some way that you can put on a live podcast and start 758 00:47:46,070 --> 00:47:49,550 experiencing what we're talking about? Phil just talked about a great story 759 00:47:49,870 --> 00:47:53,720 in a planetarium where they did a podcast and we have a theater space 760 00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:57,480 here. We have. We've. I've done shows in parking lots and 761 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,080 we've given away free tacos and coffee shops. It's 762 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,840 all it is a whole nother level to podcasting that you just 763 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,480 don't know until you experience it. So think about it 764 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,520 and we'll see you on. On a future episode, we'll read your news story. If 765 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,200 you go out and do a news a live podcast, send me the 766 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,640 story. I guarantee you I'll make it one of our six stories on 767 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,420 Poduty News. I will promote the crap out of your event. So 768 00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:26,540 tell us. Tell them old Jeffers sent you. 769 00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:32,500 And also, one last call to action. I'd 770 00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:36,260 love to have a review for the show. We've done 30 some episodes. If you're 771 00:48:36,260 --> 00:48:40,100 following along on your local podcast, you're getting. I've never asked. This 772 00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:43,140 is the first time. And because Phil says I can only have one call to 773 00:48:43,140 --> 00:48:46,740 action at the end of the show, I'm going to ask you. Make sure you 774 00:48:46,740 --> 00:48:50,530 follow on your favorite podcast, the one you're listening that got you here. But 775 00:48:50,530 --> 00:48:54,170 leave us a review. Or if you don't want to type any words out, 776 00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:57,530 just click that five stars and let us know how we're doing. 777 00:48:57,930 --> 00:49:00,890 That only leaves me with one more question for Phil. 778 00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:04,330 Do you know what it is? 779 00:49:07,850 --> 00:49:09,050 What time is it? 780 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:16,520 What time is it? 781 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,240 The only live news podcast about 782 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,800 podcasting from the stage. 783 00:49:45,550 --> 00:49:48,190 The only live news podcast about 784 00:49:48,510 --> 00:49:50,830 podcasting from the stage. 785 00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:59,950 Poody and the news. Oh, he's off stage. He's back in 786 00:49:59,950 --> 00:50:03,710 backstage. How does he do it? It's like a magic trick. It's 787 00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:07,230 time for. Oh, it was time. If you're tuning in now, you missed it. It's 788 00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:11,030 not time anymore. Go back 50 minutes. Travel back in time 789 00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:11,910 for 50 minutes.