WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:07.480 practical ways. 4 00:00:11.439 --> 00:00:13.560 Hey, everybody, thanks for tuning in to another episode of 5 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:14.199 The Bible Guys. 6 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:16.559 Yeah, I'm Chris and I'm Wesley, and. 7 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:17.160 So we're here. 8 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:19.199 Where are your Bibba guys this week? Because Jeff's out 9 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:21.320 of town and we're in the middle of a series 10 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:23.000 called Dangerous Prayers. 11 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:23.519 Yeah. 12 00:00:23.559 --> 00:00:25.399 But before we get do that, we have a segment 13 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:28.160 called Hot Takes Showdown. 14 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:30.000 This is a newer segment. 15 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:31.800 You've ever done this one, you know, I've never done 16 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:32.119 this one. 17 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:32.560 Okay. 18 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:35.119 So it says, and so Desiree says, I'll give you 19 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:39.119 a controversial statement and you must either defend it or 20 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:41.560 debunk it and get this no middle ground. 21 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:43.840 Okay, so you got to go after it. Yeah, So 22 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:45.000 whatever opinion. 23 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:47.159 You have this is it, go after it with the. 24 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:48.079 Reckless, abandoned. 25 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:51.280 Okay, here we go. Ready, here's the first statement. Crocs 26 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:52.119 are fashionable. 27 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:56.479 Oh that's easy. No, yeah, they are not fashionable. They 28 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.759 might be comfortable, yeah, but they are not fashionable. Yes. 29 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:02.320 I'm a hard no on the cross and my daughter 30 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:05.719 loves crocs like when we like, go on vacation or whatever, 31 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:09.599 she'll throw all the Crocs in the suitcase. So yeah, 32 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:12.280 but I'm a hard no on the fashionable aspect. 33 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:16.599 Yeah no, what about I'm so sorry, this is low lighting. 34 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:17.359 Room is killing me. 35 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:20.799 What about crocs with no socks? 36 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:26.400 Is it people wear crocs with socks all the top? No, 37 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:33.319 that is a major pop No. No socks with no socks, 38 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:36.480 with sandals of any kind. I agree, and I'm putting 39 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:39.280 crocs in the sandals category. 40 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:42.159 But and so I tell you what I like to 41 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:43.200 be controversial. 42 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:45.319 I like to like I would like to go the 43 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:48.159 other way and say crocs are fashionable they're the worst. 44 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:48.519 Yeah. 45 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:51.000 So so yeah, I'm with you on that. That's my 46 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:53.040 hot take as well. So that is fuel right, you 47 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:53.840 want to do the second one? 48 00:01:53.920 --> 00:02:00.200 Okay, the moon landing was filmed but not faked. It 49 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:03.480 was just really boring, so they reshot it. 50 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:04.959 Oh my goodness. 51 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:08.719 Yes, So it's not saying that before. I don't think this. 52 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:12.280 Desiree choose this because she knows this is a hot topic. 53 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.759 I'm not sure how well Desiree knows on this area. 54 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:21.280 I'd be very interested to hear a serious take on this. 55 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:21.719 For you. 56 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.800 Yeah, I don't so, I'm in the camp. I don't 57 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:28.560 believe it was faked, Okay, I was Was there something 58 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:31.360 filmed that wasn't the actual moon landing? 59 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:33.240 And was that part of the equation or. 60 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:37.439 Was See that's a different conversation. Said, well, so it 61 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:42.319 did they walk on the Moon? Did they? I believe 62 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:47.479 that one hundred percent that that happened. Did This is 63 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:50.599 a more complex question. And the reason I say that 64 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:53.639 is you got to remember where the United States was 65 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:57.960 at the time, with Russia, the Cold War, the space 66 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:01.719 race and all of that. The US would have done 67 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:08.120 whatever was necessary to cast a positive light on the mission. 68 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:12.120 So could there have been some photo touch ups or 69 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.479 something quite possibly? I don't know, but that's that could 70 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:18.520 very well be possible. But as it relates to they 71 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:20.360 actually go to the Moon, I think they actually went 72 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:20.800 to the moon. 73 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:23.240 You know, it's you know, it's you know, it's interesting. 74 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:24.800 Is so. 75 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:30.919 Fifty years ago, even even thirty years ago, before the Internet, 76 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:35.199 there was really no debate at all about whether there 77 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:37.159 was any conspiracy for moon lighting. 78 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:37.400 Right, Yeah? 79 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:40.000 Yeah, I mean we haven't heard this until probably the 80 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:42.800 last what ten years, Yeah, probably the last five years. 81 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:45.319 Really a lot depending on you know, your your chat 82 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:48.039 threat of your algorithm. Some of you you're like, this 83 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:50.680 is a thing, right, but you have no algorithm, you 84 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:54.080 know whatever. That's fine, But once you sort of dive 85 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:54.479 down the. 86 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:57.199 Hole, go down the rabbit trail, on the rabbit trail, 87 00:03:57.560 --> 00:03:57.960 then all of. 88 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:00.840 A sudden that the algorithm on your social media brings 89 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:03.400 everything up. And because I went down the rabbit hole, 90 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:07.520 I've seen everything there is to see. Just about I 91 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:11.639 have seen every single conspiracy theory reel, and I've seen 92 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:14.840 i would say almost as much, not quite as much, 93 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:19.360 but almost as much defensive reels, right like this is 94 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:21.680 this is absolute proof that we've gone to the moon. 95 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:24.720 You know, just you know science, you know all the 96 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:28.519 science behind everything, right, And so here's what I find 97 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:29.199 very interesting. 98 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:30.399 I find very interesting. 99 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:34.399 I'll just say I'll just say this that. So let's 100 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:37.839 pretend you're NASA, okay, and all of a sudden, and 101 00:04:37.879 --> 00:04:41.160 by the way, NASA claims currently this is all fact. 102 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.759 You can google all this NASA currently claims. Number one, 103 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:48.160 They're like, hey, let's where's the technology to go back 104 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:50.000 to the moon. They literally say this is the this 105 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:54.600 is their official statement. It get lost somehow, and they say, well, 106 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:56.040 do we have the technology go back to the moon 107 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:59.720 and they go no, and they say where why? They say, well, 108 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:02.199 we lost that, we don't know. And they say, okay, 109 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:04.480 well let's let's review original tapes. And they say they 110 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:09.120 were misplaced, didn't know where they are, so nothing exists. Okay, okay, 111 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.040 now that's just a fact. Now now your opinion about that, 112 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:12.519 I don't know. 113 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:13.360 Okay. 114 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:17.279 They also say, uh, you know, back in the sixties, uh, 115 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:20.120 with with with less technology that was in this phone, 116 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:22.879 we were able to get past the you know, the 117 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:26.120 h that radiation barrier, you know, the humans and get 118 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:29.920 to the moon somehow with technology in a little chef 119 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.240 you know, shuttle that looked like it was a tin can. 120 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:35.759 And now here we are, you know, almost one hundred 121 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:38.240 years later. It seems like, what is it eighty years later? 122 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:41.160 And uh, and we can't even come close to doing that, 123 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:44.079 So we've not send anybody back, right and all the 124 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:47.680 technologies lost now right then and there you can have 125 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.040 your opinions and then if you want to analyze all 126 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:53.079 the footage and everything else. And so I'm just so 127 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:56.199 I see very compelling things. For I see very compelling 128 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:59.600 things against So, if you're NASA and you have the 129 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:04.720 entire your world beating down on your door saying, I 130 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:10.480 can't believe that you lied to us, Just prove that 131 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:12.920 you went. And then of course you have buzz Aldron 132 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:16.079 who's publicly said that it was a hoax. He's online 133 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:18.680 saying we didn't go. He said that three times, he 134 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.199 said that publicly, and people are like, oh, he's crazy, 135 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:24.199 that old man, right, and and so so you have 136 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.560 all these things. So if you're NASA and you have 137 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:31.680 all this controversy, right, why would you allow the film 138 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:36.399 that was just made by h Channing Tatum and Scarlett 139 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:39.240 Johansson called Fly Me the Moon? Why would you allow 140 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:42.639 that to be filmed on NASA property? Do you know 141 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:46.519 what the film's about? No, Okay, we're only that six minutes, 142 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:50.519 so I'll make this very quickly. Basically it's about what 143 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:53.480 they're saying is it's not based on a true story, right. 144 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:56.839 But basically what they're saying is they made they made 145 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.720 a movie that says, no, the filming was real, but 146 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:04.959 because because that the moon landing was real, it was 147 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:09.519 it was absolutely what happened, but because they were worried 148 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:11.839 that it might not have been able to happen. 149 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:14.160 They hired the. 150 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:17.680 Scarlett Johansson person to hire a director, and they created 151 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:21.319 a movie set. And so all those controversial tapes where 152 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:23.759 it says he's on wires, yeah, look, you can tell 153 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:27.639 there's a wire, this movie said, no, there was a set. 154 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:30.480 And so they filmed it, and they went live to 155 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.079 the nation on set, right, and then all of a 156 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:36.160 sudden when they landed, they're like, switch over, switch over, 157 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:39.040 and then they switched over and so and so what 158 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:42.480 they did was that movie somehow just planted like a 159 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:47.560 solution to the controversy that says, oh, I guess both 160 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.920 were true, right, I guess there was a set. For 161 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:53.399 all the you know, the all the all the film 162 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:57.120 analysis people that are like, here's the ten things that 163 00:07:57.160 --> 00:08:01.879 prove this is fake. The film this film said, oh, 164 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:06.399 both things happened at once, and NASA agreed to have 165 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:11.319 that film be filmed on NASA property. Now, if that, 166 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:14.560 if there was no set, why would you. 167 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:18.399 Ever entertain the idea of the idea and planet. 168 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:22.600 In the American public that there was a set and 169 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:24.879 by the way of all the things, and and it 170 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:28.040 sounds crazy because I'm a Holloway guy. Of all the 171 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:32.600 things that I'm confused about, that's the biggest one. NASA 172 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:35.799 said yes to that film, And it's like, why would 173 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:36.399 you ever do that? 174 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:37.240 Dude? 175 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:39.039 If I'm if I'm if I'm standing on the truth, 176 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.799 I'm I'm going I'm doubling down and I'm saying, there 177 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:46.279 is no guys, there is no way this is fake, 178 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:50.120 right and and and come on there was nothing was 179 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:53.039 faked in front of the public eye. Instead, they're like, yeah, 180 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:53.879 come film. 181 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:56.679 I think you're a private investigator in your part time. 182 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:59.960 Yeah, yeah, well, which okay, listen, we have we have 183 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.399 we have fifteen seconds for your response. Yeah, what is 184 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:05.799 your hot take on my little NASA thing? 185 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:11.039 So I think the idea of having a backup is 186 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:17.879 plausible in terms of American morale during that period when 187 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:20.639 we were up against the Russians. So they had already 188 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:21.639 got spot Nick. 189 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:24.080 But they didn't admit that that film is real. 190 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:28.120 So no, I but I believe that it's plausible that 191 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:31.279 someone thought, hey, we probably need to have a backup 192 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:34.320 in case things go wrong. That that's plausible sure, in 193 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:37.519 understanding how things were in that period. 194 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:39.159 And I think that's the reason why the movie was 195 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:41.679 made because of what you just said. But that's not 196 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:45.840 my question. Yeah, my question is, and that'sad denies it. 197 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.039 They said they said there was no set so why 198 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:51.559 would they allow that film to be filmed? 199 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:56.840 Yeah? I think if in some classified archive. Okay, think 200 00:09:56.879 --> 00:09:58.000 someone knows the truth. 201 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:00.840 All right, all right, Well that it's definitely a hot 202 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:01.399 take topic. 203 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:03.399 Yeah, yeah, did good on that one. 204 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:06.799 All right, Well, let's good move on, because even though 205 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:10.679 that is super controversial, you know what else is controversial? 206 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:12.080 Acts Chapter four. 207 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:15.440 Yeah, I don't know about that one. 208 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:16.639 Well, no, no, no, it is. 209 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:20.399 Yeah, they pray for boldness even though they're being crucy cuted. Yeah, 210 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:22.840 that's a dangerous prayer. Then that's controversial. 211 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:25.320 That is true. It's a stretch, but it's true. 212 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:27.480 Okay, well it's that transition. 213 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:31.279 Yeah, So here we go, Acts Chapter four, versus twenty 214 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:34.000 three through thirty one, and it says as soon as 215 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:37.240 they were freed, Peter and John returned to the other 216 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:40.960 believers and told them what the leading priests and elders 217 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:44.600 had said. When they heard the report, all the believers 218 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:49.039 lifted their voices together in prayers to God, Oh Sovereign Lord, 219 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:52.279 Creator of Heaven and Earth, the sea, and everything in them. 220 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:55.279 You spoke long ago by the Holy Spirit, through our 221 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:59.799 ancestor David, your servants, saying, why are the nations so angry? 222 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:04.120 Why did they waste their time with futile plans? The 223 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:07.320 kings of the earth prepared for battle. The rulers gathered 224 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:11.279 together against the Lord and against his Messiah Verse twenty seven. 225 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:15.080 In fact, this has happened here in this very city 226 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:19.960 for herod Antipus, pontious Pilot, the governor, the Gentiles, and 227 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:23.679 the people of Israel were all united against Jesus, your 228 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:27.639 holy servant, whom you anointed. But everything they did was 229 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:31.960 determined beforehand, according to your will. And now, O Lord, 230 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:36.600 hear their threats and give us your servants great boldness 231 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:40.159 in preaching your word. Stretch out your hand with healing power. 232 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:43.279 May your miraculous signs and wonders be done through the 233 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:47.559 name of your holy Servant Jesus. After this prayer, the 234 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:50.440 meeting place shook, and they were all filled with the 235 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:54.720 Holy Spirit. Then they preached the Word of God with boldness. 236 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:56.799 Yeah that was good. 237 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:00.519 Yeah, it's really good. And the context is in chapter 238 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:04.919 four earlier. It says Peter and John went before the council. 239 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:08.879 So they went to the council of all the rulers 240 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:11.480 and elders and teachers of the religious law, and they 241 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:12.480 met in Jerusalem. 242 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:13.759 So they were. 243 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:19.519 Being tried, they were being accused, and so they didn't 244 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:22.159 back down. And so I want to read this note 245 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.559 here in the Transformation Study Bible. It says, covering verses 246 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:28.519 nineteen through twenty two, it says the failure of the 247 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:32.320 council was evident when Peter refused to be intimidated by 248 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:35.559 their threats. All we need to do is follow Peter's 249 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.120 example to make our decisions on the basis of is 250 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:43.720 it right and not is it popular or is it safe. 251 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:48.080 We must be sure, however, that we have clear teaching 252 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:50.360 of the Word of God on our side before we 253 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:52.879 take a stand against the authority of the government. Peter 254 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:55.240 knew what the Lord had commanded believers to do and 255 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:57.559 ast chapter one, verse eight, for he was going to 256 00:12:57.600 --> 00:12:59.320 obey him at any cost. 257 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:02.080 And so I love that. 258 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:04.960 The idea that like Peter and John were accused, they 259 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:09.080 stood up and then they said this prayer after they 260 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:11.799 were freed, which is why it started by you saying 261 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:14.360 as soon as they were freed, right, Peter and John returned. 262 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:21.919 You know, it's interesting in our nation. Last weekend we 263 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:24.679 made a statement about all the horrible things that were 264 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:27.879 going on in our nation. And to be honest with you, 265 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:34.600 it's always a difficult thing whenever, whenever something happens that 266 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:37.039 shakes our nation to the core of its you know, 267 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:41.399 faith and everything else. It's like people are feeling a 268 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:43.879 lot of different things and you want to address it. 269 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:46.080 But at the same time, if you're a leader, and 270 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:48.399 by the way, that doesn't just mean church leader. It 271 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:50.600 means if you're like a person on the news or 272 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:54.159 Jimmy Kimmel, right, I mean he's in the news today 273 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:56.720 because of it. Right, we all have to make choices 274 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:58.879 about what we're going to say in the stand that 275 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:01.159 we're going to take. And to be honest with you, 276 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:04.759 it wasn't so we made a statement at our church, 277 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:08.639 but it wasn't political. It wasn't about right or left. 278 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:11.519 It wasn't about what happened to our nation according to 279 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:15.759 all these arguments of agreeing or disagreeing, it wasn't about that. 280 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:19.720 And that's one thing that I like about heritage is 281 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:23.399 the fact that we don't take a political stance. If 282 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:25.919 anyone wants to know what stance we take, it's that 283 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:28.480 we believe that Jesus Christ is Lord. Yeah, that's the 284 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:29.480 stance that we take. 285 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:33.360 And if it is a political topic, we will preach 286 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:34.399 from the Bible. 287 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:34.840 Yes. 288 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:36.480 And one of the things that I was always so 289 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:40.159 impressed with is Jeff Forrest, Our lead pastor, says, he goes, Hey, 290 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:43.639 he goes, instead of getting up there and using politically 291 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:47.000 charged words, he said, those are man made words. So 292 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:50.600 why would I use politically charged words that everybody has 293 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:53.440 their own interpretation on what they're going to attach to 294 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:54.039 those words. 295 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:54.879 He says. 296 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:57.080 Instead, here's what I do. He goes, I preach on 297 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:00.799 the same topic, only I used Bible words. And he goes, 298 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.159 So if you ever wonder what we believe, he goes, 299 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:05.480 He goes, you can't yell at me because I didn't 300 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:05.799 write it. 301 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:07.240 I didn't write the Bible. 302 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:09.360 He goes, I'm just going to preach the Bible, use 303 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:11.840 Bible words, and it could be the same exact topic, 304 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:14.120 and I'll preach the Bible, he goes. He goes, so 305 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:17.120 there's no question on what we believe. So if somebody says, oh, 306 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:20.759 pick a candidate it's like, well, you can probably guess 307 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:23.200 which candidate we're going to vote for based on what 308 00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:26.120 we have preached and what we believe, right, because we're 309 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:28.600 just going to preach the Bible and we're going to 310 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:30.679 let you put two and two together, because after all, 311 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.080 that's what every believer is called to do anyway. And 312 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:35.399 I didn't mean to get on a topic rant. In fact, 313 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:37.759 that wasn't even my focus or a political rant. I 314 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:39.919 wasn't even I wasn't even trying to do that. What 315 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:42.720 I was trying to say is this, we made a 316 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:45.360 statement that wasn't you know, right or left or anything 317 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:47.519 like that. We made a statement and said, it's not 318 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:50.759 important about you know, whether you agree or disagree. The 319 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:55.879 important thing is how do you act, interact, and react 320 00:15:56.200 --> 00:16:00.279 when you disagree? Right, Because that's what Christ called us 321 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:02.320 to do. So it doesn't matter what the topic is 322 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:07.559 when you disagree, the initiative is clear. Right, this is 323 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.159 how you should behave as ladies and gentlemen. You can 324 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:14.120 still disagree with somebody and worship them with them side 325 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:16.600 by side. Right, You don't have to have acts of 326 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:18.360 violence and hatred. 327 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:18.679 Right. 328 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:22.559 It's like Christ calls the church to be the church 329 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:24.960 no matter what, and that was sort of our statement 330 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:27.120 in our prayer, right, help us to be a nation 331 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:30.159 that is willing to do that. Well, the idea of 332 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:34.039 even making any kind of statement publicly, you have to 333 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:38.080 go back to sort of this idea, which is like, 334 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:40.600 am I going to do this? And then you have 335 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:42.480 to ask your question, youlf, the question is this the 336 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:45.120 right thing to do? And is it the wrong thing 337 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.000 to do to be too cowardice not to say anything, 338 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.639 or do you figure out a hard way and do 339 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:53.440 the hard work to be able to say, no, this 340 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:56.039 is the right thing to do, and we're going to 341 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:56.919 put all the work into it. 342 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:57.200 Dude. 343 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:59.960 It took us hours to come up with a three 344 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:05.920 minute response, hours of conversation, but because we felt like 345 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:09.440 this is the right thing to do, and so we 346 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:12.079 want to stand on the side of what is right. 347 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:15.440 And we said what we meant and we didn't say 348 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:19.839 anything wrong and it wasn't charged in any way. We 349 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:21.480 just we just want to we just want to say 350 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:23.480 what we feel like God wants us to say to 351 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:25.799 the people who are fearful and going through a lot 352 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:28.440 of different things. Right, Yeah, and it's not based on 353 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:31.000 one event. I mean you know, there were things that 354 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:33.279 happened in our country, they go back a month and 355 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:38.400 a half ago, that are very, very disturbing, and people 356 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:40.000 are having a really hard time. 357 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:40.720 Yeah. 358 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:43.519 Right, but you stand up for what is right. 359 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:46.960 Yeah, you do what is right. Yeah, Verse twenty nine. 360 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:50.440 Just to dig into that, it says, and now, oh Lord, 361 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:55.480 hear their threats, and give us your servants great boldness 362 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:58.720 in preaching your word. For some reason, when I read that, 363 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:04.319 I think of a person at work in the context 364 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:09.279 of Jesus not being convenient. Sometimes when you work out 365 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:13.960 in the world, it's easier not to mention Jesus, not 366 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:17.200 to mention that you go to work, to go to church, 367 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:21.400 not to mention that you know, you're in a small group. 368 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:25.079 It's just easier sometimes in the workplace to kind of 369 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:27.440 I think of Homer, you know that meme of Homer 370 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:30.400 Simpson going back into the bushes. Yes, it's just kind 371 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:31.160 of good. 372 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:34.559 Yeah, so good, because it's attached to so many different things. 373 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:38.000 Yeah, but that's what it reminds me of when I 374 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:42.039 read this, that you know, sometimes it's easier to not 375 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:45.400 say that you're a follower of Jesus, Like when Peter 376 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:48.920 was confronted, aren't Aren't you one of those you know, 377 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:51.480 followers of Jesus. No, I never met the man, you know, 378 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:54.559 that kind of thing. So I think they're saying here 379 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:57.119 is in times like that, you need to have boldness. 380 00:18:57.319 --> 00:18:59.519 That's right, you need to speak up. There could be 381 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:04.200 someone in your workplace that is going through something and 382 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:07.759 they find out that you're a Christian and they're like, man, 383 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:10.079 I can go to that person for advice. Yeah, I 384 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:12.640 can go to that person for some godly counsel. Yeah. 385 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:14.559 I can go to that person for help. But it's 386 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:17.160 gonna take a little bit of boldness on your part 387 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:19.559 to make that be known. 388 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:20.200 Yeah. 389 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:22.079 And you know what the funny thing is is people 390 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:27.240 of most people, most people, they will follow if somebody 391 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:28.119 first steps up. 392 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:30.680 Yeah. Right. So I'm not saying that you have. 393 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:34.920 To be this great and courageous leader of people right 394 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:36.720 to lead them a great, big movement. 395 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:39.279 Yeah. We're not saying go to work with a big house, 396 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:42.119 Bible under your arm, and like all of those things. 397 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:42.480 We're not. 398 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:45.160 You know, in a social setting, most people have a 399 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.279 tendency to just be quiet, Yeah, until, like, you know, 400 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:51.119 somebody speaks up and I can't even tell you. I'm 401 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:53.160