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It. Welcome back to Behind the Pixel.

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My name is Will.

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My name is Catherine.

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And this is an Open Pixel Studios podcast.

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We are the co-founders of Open
Pixel Studios.

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We are an animation production
company in Massachusetts.

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But today we are in Los Angeles

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and we are recording
live from Live from L.A..

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I don't know.

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We'll have to share our prices,
right story, but for another day.

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So in this episode,
we have another sort of reaction.

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What did we call it?

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It was like. POV. An episode.
A POV episode?

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Mm hmm.

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We were talking about something specific
that we've seen or heard or read

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anything like that.

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And today
it's it's on me to present something.

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Kathryn is not seen this particular thing.

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And it is a post.

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It is a post that someone wrote.

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Again, we keep all these anonymous

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because we don't want
you don't want to highlight anyone or.

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Yeah, yeah we're more talking about,

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I think the situation
rather than the situation.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And this came across
and I thought it was really well composed.

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But we'll see what you think and we'll.

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We'll talk about it.

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I do love a good, composed piece.

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And I composed.

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Post the compose. Here
we go. I'll start with this

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quote.

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Creative is a participation product,
whether you like it or not.

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The end result is a direct reflection

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of both parties,

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and then they jump into.

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Here are a few things that clients
and creators can do to improve the output.

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Now, each one of these has been

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described.

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Okay.

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I will just read the sort
of the first sentence.

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Sure.

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Of each one of these
because there's five big ones.

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Don't rush into things.

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Who are.

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Getting excited and signing contracts
with a vague scope of work is tempting.

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Hmm. I'll leave it there.

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Communicate your ass off.

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Schedules, expectations.

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Times. People will be out of the office.

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Assumptions. You name it.

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Talk about it. Yeah.

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Feedback.

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Feedback should be guided and specific.

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Leave it there.

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Be reasonable.

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And that one's kind of weird.

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Creatives aren't in the business
of giving away ideas or working for free.

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Time is money.

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Five.

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And the last one.

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Don't be someone you are not.

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The absolute worst thing you can do
is to empower and make decisions.

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You don't have the right to,

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and it ends with this.

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Creative is one of the best
bespoke products out there.

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It can insanely be fulfilling
for both parties, but

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it can also turn sour
and become a source of tremendous stress.

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Just make sure you have the basics covered
before your next project.

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I mean, no notes, really.

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That's no,

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I think it's pretty solid.

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Yeah,
there's a lot that I agree with there.

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I mean, I think this is prevalent to us

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in this moment in time
after having some challenges

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and having to look back at our own
like processes and say,

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if could we do something differently
or in different ways?

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Yeah. Okay.

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Can you run it back for a second?

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There was something about
after the be reasonable.

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After the. Be reasonable.

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Yeah. Don't be someone you are not.

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And I can read the full thing here,
which is it's interesting.

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The absolute worst thing you can do
is assume power and make decisions.

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You don't have the right to

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if you aren't clear on your decision chain
and haven't spent time introducing

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teams to executives,
you are in for a rude awakening later.

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Yeah, I think there's something for me
about this

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assuming power.

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I do believe that

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everyone has power
in different situations.

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There are times where, you know,

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if you're the creative expert in the room
but you don't know the subject matter.

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For example, you still have power,
but you can you can use your power

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to lead effectively,
like asking questions about the subject

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matter if you don't know it.

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Or times where a client

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might want to go in a specific direction
and you are trying to lovingly

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explain why that might not be the best way
to go with your expertise.

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You might not feel like you have power
in those moments, depending on the

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like hierarchy or the dynamic,
but I truly believe that you do.

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It's just a matter of how you express that

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and how you voice it
and how you make sure that your

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your voice
is heard in a collaborative manner.

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Right.

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Going back to that idea
of like that, it's a partnership

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and it's a result of everything
that you're doing together collectively,

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then that means you have to be on both
sides willing to take and give feedback.

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You have to be willing to share
whatever the power dynamic is

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and know that in certain times, like, yes,
that person might have a

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I don't want to say control because
I don't think that's the right word.

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But there is there are power dynamics
there that can come into play.

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But I always think that creatives
should feel

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that they have power
and say in the work that they're doing.

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Yeah, definitely.

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Yeah, I think it reminds me of
there are people who feel powerless

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in times of not understanding something.

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I think when you come into a situation
where it feels very new or very different,

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even if you've done it in the past
as someone else, and it just hasn't

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been done this way before,
that can make you feel powerless

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as a client, as a person
who is sort of supposed to be in charge.

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And I think that that can cause
some anxiety, it can cause some stresses,

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it can cause some tension

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even between and among teams
within on one side or the other.

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And I think that that's something
to be mindful of.

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I don't think necessarily
it's something to fix

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because feeling powerless
is kind of natural.

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Sometimes we just do feel that way.

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But I think having control over that
particular feeling

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or that particular situation comes,
I think with some responsibility,

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like assigns and responsibilities
to yourself about what you're supposed

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to be looking out
for rather than saying, Well, I need to,

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you know, sort of force
this particular way or change

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the way you work in order for it to suit
my needs or whatever.

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Like, there are different ways
you can react to that powerlessness.

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Right. And I think that that is

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is problematic.

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Could be. Problematic.

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Yeah, I think you can always
I do think you can always assume

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you have power,
but it's just how you choose to use it.

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Right.

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With great power
comes great responsibility.

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We were getting there, weren't we?

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We were getting there. We were. Going.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I think, you know, there are certain.

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I don't know.

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I just think, you know, it's
also a sign of the times when folks feel

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anxious for just feeling powerless.

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I think,

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you know, there are certain times
when you feel powerless that

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that might be actually life
threatening like that.

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The stakes are very, very, very high.

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You know, you're a hostage in a hostage
situation that you feel powerless.

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And that's a different situation
when you're in a creative project,

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then you feel powerless because of
of not knowing something.

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Of not experiencing something.

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Of doing something differently.

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I think that level of powerlessness,
if it is coming off

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that way, is is more internal.

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It feels more like something that you're

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you haven't worked
through internally for yourself.

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I, I do think it's maybe in
there is some degree of truth in that.

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I think the

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yeah, every situation is different.

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But we also as people and I think
especially as artists, we all like

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have different almost like levels
of weight of severity to different issues.

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Like for me, like I'm
because I'm an anxious person, like

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everything has like this
equal level of weight And so it feels,

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it can totally feel like, oh,
you know, a client wasn't happy with this.

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So now it's the end of the world,
like the company

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shutting down and like the sky is falling
and whatever this might be,

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as opposed
to just something being not aligned.

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And that's okay.

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So that I agree that that's like that
is a process that I've had to personally

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internalize first understand,
recognize my own patterns, and then

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change
up the way in which I respond to it.

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Again, because it takes. A lot of work.

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I feel like it takes a lot of work.

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Oh, is it exhausting?

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It's exhausting.

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But, you know, it's very real.

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It's very like.

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I mean, like, I agree with a lot of
this post that a lot of this is just about

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like showing up as who you are,
but also being understanding

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of where everyone else's and being able
to meet them, where they're at.

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So yeah, I do agree that I think there's

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there's a thing that the difference

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between companies where like the client

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feels like a transaction
rather than a partnership.

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I think every studio on a really needs
to define what a partnership looks like

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in their, in their perspective
because then it

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if it feels transactional,
then it's going to be transactional.

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If it feels more like
a collaborative thing,

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then yes, you're going to come out
with this product feeling like

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it wasn't just,
Oh, open pixel made this thing.

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It's like,
Oh no, we we collectively as a unit

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made this thing together
with our great partners

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and with people that we love to work with
and all that good stuff.

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So yeah.

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Yeah.

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Another big one at least that spoke to me.

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And the reason I kept reading
was, number one, don't rush things.

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I think you know, some day.

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Are you waiting for this plane to go away?

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No, I love the plane.

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I know that it might be

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someone's
private jet flying for us or something.

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It's Taylor Swift's.

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There's this jet.

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Yeah, she's on her way.

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Don't rush into things. I think.

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I think that speaks
to a lot of what is happening these days,

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which is, you know, with AI or tech
or whatever, getting faster

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every one is saying, well,
why can't we do it faster?

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Why can't we write it faster?

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Why can't we do you know, and rushing
things does get you to a place where

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no one's going to be happy with that.

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No, be happy with the result.

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I mean, someone might be

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if you have the right team
and they're experts in, they're getting it

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like precisely
right at every stage of the process.

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But, you know,
and I can read the rest of it.

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So it says, you know,

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getting excited and signing contracts
with a vague scope of work is tempting.

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However, it will always bite

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someone in the ass later
and lead to tension in the relationship.

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If your team isn't ready to provide
a specific brief or has a solid direction,

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you should invest in some concept in time
with your partner.

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And if you can't get clear on answers
on scope, then don't write the contract.

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Right? Right.

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Don't take the job.

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Yeah, I've taken taken our own advice
here.

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I totally feel that. Yeah. Yeah.

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Is it like if the direction can come from

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multiple places, it can come
from the partnership in conversation.

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It can also come from one person
that says, Look, you're the right person

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to direct this thing
because we like your vision

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or we like your message
or we like the way you work.

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It could be any number of reasons
or a combination of reasons,

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but if you yourself aren't ready
to let go of that, you know,

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of your internal thing that you have
in your head, I'm going to let that go

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and then give this person
the freedom to do what they need to do.

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If you're not ready to do that,

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I don't think you're ready to work with
a creative partner in the first place.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There's a lot of letting go. It's,

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you know,

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it's always more emotional work
than we ever talk about in business.

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We don't talk about how businesses require

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a pretty intense level
of emotional development.

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If you don't have that, then yeah, you're
going to make it really hard on yourself.

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It's it may it's not to say you're not
you can't be successful.

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I guess if you're thinking about it from
a pure, you know, monetary standpoint.

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But yeah, there's,
there's just different levels to it.

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So yeah, or if you have a team behind you,
like if you had like 50 people

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working on creative direction
on different parts of the company,

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you know, you can always pull from that.

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There's something to hang your hat on.

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We've worked with really large businesses
that have several departments

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and they'll pull from, Hey,
you know, the department

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did something like this,
can we do something like that?

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And that's not necessarily
the direction that they're giving us

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or that they even created.

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Someone else created that,

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but they're at least having a place
of starting like a starting point.

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And when you have, you

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know, different people trying to be
that person who's directing it,

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it becomes very hard for sure,
sure to find some common ground.

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Yeah, Yeah.

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This is an well, there
you go. Crafted post.

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I appreciate your composition.

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I agree. It's

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thoughtfulness.

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And, uh.

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Yeah. Kudos to the person who wrote it.

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Yeah, I feel like the.

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Person I've been following for a. While.
Yeah. Nice. Nice.

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Good for them.

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Yeah, good for them. Very, very much so.

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Glad that they're on that sort of thought
pattern.

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Yeah, I'm glad.

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Like, I'm glad that we're starting
to see more and more studios

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get to the point of like, hey, we can
we can think about this differently.

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We can approach creative differently.

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That's the place we want to see.

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You love to see that. You love to see it.

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Well, thank you so much for listening

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and just letting us ramble on
for some 15 minutes.

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Yeah, I mean, feel free to, like,
let us know that we're horribly wrong

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and we should feel bad about it
and whatever.

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Whatever, you know, social media shaming,
you guys need to do it.

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You need to vent about something.
Well, this.

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Thank you for listening.
Thanks for the ramble.

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I hope this I don't know if it helped,
but maybe it's just nice to hear

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if you're a creative.

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That's like thinking similarly
that you're not alone in your thinking.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, and if you're as client
or potential client or future client,

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whatever you want to call it,
if you're buying creative content,

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it's something to think about.

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Just to just be on the same page
as the creative.

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You know, oftentimes creatives
crave direction in some capacity,

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maybe not creative direction,
but but other kinds of direction.

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And I think those are those
that kind of direction is good, too.

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Yeah.

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Well, I think it's also a point of like
for potential clients, it's

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all about trying to find the right partner
that you will kind.

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Of find the right. Fit. Yeah.

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And I would say on that front, like really
trust your gut.

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Like your intuition
is going to tell you if,

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if you're running into a meeting and you
with your like potential creative team,

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you immediately see the red flags, then,
you know, you might feel it.

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You might know that you have power
in that situation.

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And to find another partner
if if that's the way you need to go

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and that's okay,

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it's totally fine to find the right fit
and to take the time to do that.

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So yeah, yeah.

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And there's not a lot of like
window shopping, you know what I mean?

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Like, you're back in the day.

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If you're talking about consumerism
and consumers like window shopping

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or browsing, there's not a lot of that
with creative partners, right?

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Like you come across a creative partner
and there's a lot more

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vetting that has to go into figuring out
if it's going to work.

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I think, yeah, you're window

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shopping based on
just the style that you're seeing, right?

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You're like, exactly that.

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That video looks interesting,
but you're not window shopping based on

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the people behind that.

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And maybe maybe that's

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there's a way
there's got to be a better way to change.

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Maybe maybe listening to a podcast
where they talk to you for a bit.

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Tell me.

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More might be a way in
to understanding who they are.

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Could be, could be
perhaps you could learn that they really

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so you could, you know,

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or the the great who.

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Knows they could suck.

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They get. Sucked.

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Yeah, it's it's true.

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That's true.

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Yeah. Well, thank you. Yeah, this is fun.

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I enjoy listening to other perspectives
on things, too, so I agree.

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It's. Yeah. All right.

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We'll have a good one, everyone,
And we will see you in the next episode.

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Okay.

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Bye. Hey,

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a big thank you, as always, to Emilia
for producing this podcast.

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Our producer is Jackson Foote.

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Our music is created by hidden
and licensed through Premium Boots.com.

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And as always, stay honest, stay creative.

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Stay open.

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Open Pixel Studios, Thanks.

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We'll see you in the next episode.