1 00:00:18,580 --> 00:00:24,380 Kevin: welcome to svelte radio hello everyone welcome to another episode of svelte radio 2 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,060 Kevin: long time no see 3 00:00:26,490 --> 00:00:27,560 Kevin: Brittany Anthony hello 4 00:00:28,470 --> 00:00:28,600 Brittney: hello 5 00:00:30,500 --> 00:00:31,540 Brittney: last episode 6 00:00:32,430 --> 00:00:33,300 Kevin: like last year 7 00:00:34,210 --> 00:00:34,680 Kevin: I think 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:35,800 Brittney: you did a couple 9 00:00:36,620 --> 00:00:37,400 Brittney: right like 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:38,540 Kevin: a couple conferences 11 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,600 Brittney: but the three of us I think 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:41,200 Brittney: it's been 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,480 Kevin: almost a year probably 14 00:00:42,700 --> 00:00:44,140 Kevin: we've got the gang back together now 15 00:00:44,940 --> 00:00:46,360 Brittney: yeah finally things 16 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:46,480 Kevin: have 17 00:00:46,590 --> 00:00:48,560 Kevin: happened in Svelte World in our world 18 00:00:49,180 --> 00:00:49,400 Brittney: I 19 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:50,260 Kevin: don't think anything's really 20 00:00:50,260 --> 00:00:50,520 Antony: happened 21 00:00:51,260 --> 00:00:52,440 Antony: I think it just paused 22 00:00:52,620 --> 00:00:53,040 Antony: with us 23 00:00:53,940 --> 00:00:54,540 Antony: yeah probably 24 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:55,980 Antony: we're the people 25 00:00:55,980 --> 00:00:57,080 Kevin: just bringing everything 26 00:00:57,290 --> 00:00:58,980 Kevin: forward in the Svelte world right 27 00:00:59,310 --> 00:00:59,460 Kevin: without 28 00:00:59,460 --> 00:00:59,640 Antony: us 29 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:01,200 Brittney: driven 30 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,160 Antony: by radio 31 00:01:03,159 --> 00:01:05,100 Kevin: but we were at a conference 32 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:06,700 Kevin: we met at 33 00:01:06,700 --> 00:01:07,040 Antony: a conference 34 00:01:07,780 --> 00:01:09,020 Antony: again that was fun 35 00:01:09,740 --> 00:01:10,720 Kevin: it was called Svelte Summit 36 00:01:10,910 --> 00:01:13,060 Kevin: for those that are in to know 37 00:01:13,380 --> 00:01:13,720 Kevin: that's the place 38 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:14,040 Brittney: to be 39 00:01:14,050 --> 00:01:15,940 Brittney: and Spain was amazing incredible 40 00:01:16,090 --> 00:01:16,240 Brittney: it 41 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:16,380 Antony: was 42 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:19,800 Antony: very grungy 43 00:01:22,870 --> 00:01:23,020 Kevin: venue 44 00:01:24,220 --> 00:01:25,500 Kevin: it was it was a great 45 00:01:25,500 --> 00:01:27,020 Antony: it was rustic it was great vinnie i 46 00:01:27,020 --> 00:01:28,240 Kevin: really like it was rustic i 47 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:28,520 Brittney: thought it 48 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:29,120 Brittney: was really pretty 49 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,260 Antony: i kind of wanted it as a house 50 00:01:31,260 --> 00:01:35,140 Kevin: very pretty just just got just scared me a bit 51 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,260 Kevin: when the when their ceiling was leaking 52 00:01:37,260 --> 00:01:39,240 Antony: just barely 53 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,200 Kevin: missed the audio and video gear 54 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:42,540 Antony: yeah 55 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,340 Kevin: it was fine and the toilet paper ran out and yeah there 56 00:01:49,340 --> 00:01:51,700 Brittney: were like issues with the staff and 57 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,640 Brittney: management but we made it and we got through yeah it was great and it was good it was 58 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:57,780 Kevin: i i would say 59 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,200 Kevin: it was more fun than stockholm in a sense like stockholm was fun because it was the first time 60 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,740 Kevin: we got to meet everyone kind of 61 00:02:03,740 --> 00:02:04,700 Brittney: that's true for 62 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:09,320 Kevin: me at least but then then this this time was just 63 00:02:09,420 --> 00:02:12,840 Kevin: like meeting everyone again which was a lot of fun so but 64 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,820 Antony: it was very difficult like stockholm we had 65 00:02:14,860 --> 00:02:19,500 Antony: this reserved place that was just took us all in and then we just chatted afterwards whereas 66 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,560 Antony: we ran around the whole of Spain 67 00:02:21,980 --> 00:02:23,380 Antony: it felt like the whole of Spain afterwards 68 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,040 Brittney: I did run around the whole of Spain 69 00:02:26,540 --> 00:02:26,600 Brittney: afterwards 70 00:02:27,260 --> 00:02:27,980 Brittney: you really did 71 00:02:28,739 --> 00:02:29,600 Brittney: we were 72 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,380 Antony: just trying to find one bar that would get us in 73 00:02:31,660 --> 00:02:33,780 Antony: and basically try and sneak some people in 74 00:02:34,459 --> 00:02:36,160 Antony: and then sort of filter people in 75 00:02:36,460 --> 00:02:38,140 Antony: bit by bit so they didn't know it was a massive crowd 76 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:39,940 Antony: because they didn't want a massive crowd 77 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:41,920 Antony: so just get four people in 78 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:43,120 Antony: and then get them ordering drinks 79 00:02:43,230 --> 00:02:44,820 Antony: and then oh there's four more people here 80 00:02:45,070 --> 00:02:45,640 Antony: have some drinks 81 00:02:45,730 --> 00:02:48,220 Antony: and then eventually 40 something people turn up 82 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:53,360 Antony: maybe six they're coming around and then they're like oh we have we have been played we have been 83 00:02:53,460 --> 00:02:58,920 Kevin: played surely they they like it when people show up to their venue so they 84 00:02:58,920 --> 00:02:59,900 Brittney: can sell their 85 00:02:59,900 --> 00:03:00,300 Kevin: products 86 00:03:00,550 --> 00:03:00,740 Kevin: right 87 00:03:00,740 --> 00:03:03,540 Brittney: not american tourists when they're 88 00:03:03,540 --> 00:03:04,840 Kevin: going through like a 89 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,000 Brittney: i see protest 90 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,420 Kevin: a rebel tourism 91 00:03:10,579 --> 00:03:11,099 Kevin: people 92 00:03:11,099 --> 00:03:12,080 Brittney: yeah yeah we 93 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,580 Kevin: are very rowdy i guess you're not american 94 00:03:14,580 --> 00:03:16,720 Brittney: i just i said that sorry like there 95 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,020 Brittney: were quite a 96 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,480 Brittney: well I guess there 97 00:03:19,580 --> 00:03:20,000 Brittney: were a lot of 98 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:20,620 Brittney: Americans that were 99 00:03:20,740 --> 00:03:21,560 Brittney: there yeah yeah 100 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:21,960 Brittney: it's 101 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:22,800 Antony: nice not having 102 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:23,400 Antony: people talk about 103 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:24,300 Antony: British tourists for 104 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:24,740 Antony: once to be honest 105 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:26,520 Brittney: oh no we 106 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:26,760 Antony: are 107 00:03:27,060 --> 00:03:27,760 Antony: definitely the worst 108 00:03:27,940 --> 00:03:29,420 Antony: but it's nice that 109 00:03:29,430 --> 00:03:30,040 Antony: it wasn't the 110 00:03:30,230 --> 00:03:31,320 Antony: default that's quite 111 00:03:31,460 --> 00:03:31,520 Antony: good 112 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:32,540 Brittney: I don't know 113 00:03:32,540 --> 00:03:32,860 Brittney: every time 114 00:03:32,860 --> 00:03:33,260 Kevin: I go to 115 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:34,920 Kevin: Hungary to visit 116 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:36,100 Kevin: friends I always hear 117 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:36,560 Kevin: about people 118 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:37,220 Kevin: complaining about 119 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:38,280 Kevin: British stag doos 120 00:03:38,959 --> 00:03:39,680 Antony: yeah yeah 121 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:39,900 Kevin: yeah 122 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:40,820 Kevin: my 123 00:03:40,820 --> 00:03:41,360 Antony: stag do was 124 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:41,920 Antony: Hungary I didn't 125 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:42,740 Antony: know if my stag do 126 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:43,940 Antony: was indeed in 127 00:03:44,020 --> 00:03:45,800 Antony: really and it 128 00:03:45,820 --> 00:03:46,580 Antony: It was in Hungary because, 129 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:47,360 Brittney: yeah, 130 00:03:47,940 --> 00:03:49,280 Antony: because what's stag do? 131 00:03:50,460 --> 00:03:50,540 Brittney: Yeah. 132 00:03:50,780 --> 00:03:51,540 Brittney: It's like a bachelor party. 133 00:03:51,620 --> 00:03:53,720 Antony: When you get married, it's like a bachelor party. 134 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,980 Brittney: It's like a stag party. 135 00:03:56,170 --> 00:03:56,300 Brittney: Okay. 136 00:03:56,860 --> 00:03:57,020 Brittney: Yeah. 137 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,780 Antony: It is a stag party. 138 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:01,580 Antony: It's not like a stag party. 139 00:04:01,630 --> 00:04:02,100 Antony: It really is. 140 00:04:02,150 --> 00:04:03,120 Antony: I just think stag 141 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,440 Brittney: do sounded very. 142 00:04:04,900 --> 00:04:06,080 Antony: Oh, I see you. 143 00:04:06,140 --> 00:04:07,140 Antony: I didn' know what you 144 00:04:07,140 --> 00:04:07,860 Brittney: were talking about. 145 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:08,680 Antony: Do you know 146 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:09,020 Brittney: what do 147 00:04:09,020 --> 00:04:09,340 Antony: is? 148 00:04:10,540 --> 00:04:10,840 Brittney: No. 149 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:11,620 Brittney: I know. 150 00:04:12,220 --> 00:04:13,700 Brittney: I've just heard the stag 151 00:04:13,700 --> 00:04:13,780 Antony: do. 152 00:04:14,340 --> 00:04:15,560 Antony: Maybe that's a Britishism. 153 00:04:15,700 --> 00:04:16,660 Antony: So a do is party. 154 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:21,980 Antony: So, like, are we going to your birthday do? 155 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,360 Antony: It means going to your birthday party. 156 00:04:24,979 --> 00:04:25,300 Antony: It 157 00:04:25,300 --> 00:04:27,020 Brittney: does not sound like a party. 158 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:27,700 Brittney: I don't know why. 159 00:04:29,580 --> 00:04:30,920 Antony: You know, it's a to-do. 160 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:31,720 Antony: I don't know. 161 00:04:31,860 --> 00:04:33,680 Antony: I have no idea why it's called a do, but it's called a do. 162 00:04:33,820 --> 00:04:34,660 Antony: We always call them do's. 163 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,280 Brittney: It sounds like a doo-doo. 164 00:04:37,340 --> 00:04:38,640 Antony: Are you going to what's the space as do? 165 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:39,080 Brittney: Yeah. 166 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:41,960 Kevin: But, yeah, it was great. 167 00:04:42,780 --> 00:04:43,140 Kevin: It was great. 168 00:04:44,100 --> 00:04:44,560 Kevin: Spell Summit. 169 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:47,900 Kevin: I am looking forward to next year. 170 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:49,180 Antony: Spell do. 171 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:50,220 Antony: We've got a Spell do. 172 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,160 Kevin: Do we have a 173 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:52,900 Brittney: place yet? 174 00:04:53,540 --> 00:04:56,200 Kevin: No, I'm still waiting for the tax registration stuff. 175 00:04:57,020 --> 00:04:58,280 Kevin: It's a bit on me, to be fair. 176 00:04:59,700 --> 00:05:03,700 Kevin: I've not really had the mental capacity to do stuff lately. 177 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,820 Brittney: I was going to say, you're not busy at all. 178 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:07,800 Kevin: No. 179 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:08,400 Kevin: No. 180 00:05:08,660 --> 00:05:09,540 Kevin: Can I recommend Hungary? 181 00:05:11,700 --> 00:05:12,760 Kevin: I mean, I would love that. 182 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:13,680 Kevin: It is. 183 00:05:13,820 --> 00:05:13,940 Kevin: It 184 00:05:13,940 --> 00:05:14,260 Brittney: is nice. 185 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:15,240 Brittney: I've never been to Hungary. 186 00:05:16,020 --> 00:05:21,280 Antony: The draw of Hungary is it has a lot of spas and baths and, you know, 187 00:05:21,500 --> 00:05:24,140 Antony: places you can go and have, like, sit in a big heated pool and stuff. 188 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:24,860 Antony: It's great fun. 189 00:05:25,220 --> 00:05:25,900 Kevin: Yeah, it is very nice. 190 00:05:25,900 --> 00:05:25,980 Kevin: Are 191 00:05:25,980 --> 00:05:26,940 Brittney: they clothed? 192 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:28,420 Antony: Yes. 193 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:29,160 Antony: Not all of them. 194 00:05:29,300 --> 00:05:30,160 Kevin: Not all of them. 195 00:05:33,020 --> 00:05:34,080 Brittney: That might be awkward. 196 00:05:35,180 --> 00:05:35,540 Brittney: I 197 00:05:35,540 --> 00:05:38,620 Kevin: saw an advertisement for something called a Sparty. 198 00:05:39,260 --> 00:05:40,740 Kevin: That's a party at a spa. 199 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:42,480 Kevin: Spoo. 200 00:05:42,660 --> 00:05:43,160 Brittney: Spoo. 201 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:43,760 Brittney: Spadu. 202 00:05:44,340 --> 00:05:44,820 Brittney: Spadu. 203 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:45,720 Kevin: Spadu. 204 00:05:46,060 --> 00:05:46,540 Kevin: Spadu. 205 00:05:46,780 --> 00:05:47,360 Brittney: Spadu. 206 00:05:48,820 --> 00:05:49,160 Brittney: This is 207 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:49,800 Kevin: going to go all 208 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:50,120 Brittney: episodes. 209 00:05:50,660 --> 00:05:50,800 Brittney: Yeah. 210 00:05:51,420 --> 00:05:52,360 Brittney: Welcome back, guys. 211 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:53,140 Brittney: You're welcome. 212 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:53,500 Brittney: Yeah. 213 00:05:54,379 --> 00:05:55,540 Kevin: We're just catching up. 214 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:56,980 Kevin: We haven't really chatted a 215 00:05:56,980 --> 00:05:58,020 Brittney: lot, the 216 00:05:58,020 --> 00:05:58,580 Kevin: three of us. 217 00:05:58,940 --> 00:06:00,240 Kevin: So it's fun. 218 00:06:01,199 --> 00:06:03,760 Kevin: I'm hoping the audience also enjoys it a bit. 219 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:05,400 Brittney: But let's 220 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,700 Kevin: maybe talk a bit about the Svelte Radio plans going forward. 221 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,940 Kevin: I would want this to happen once a week 222 00:06:13,150 --> 00:06:14,000 Kevin: if we can do it 223 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:15,460 Kevin: maybe not 224 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:18,080 Kevin: maybe we will, maybe we won't 225 00:06:18,390 --> 00:06:20,180 Kevin: but hopefully more frequent 226 00:06:20,740 --> 00:06:22,520 Kevin: than the last year or so 227 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:23,980 Antony: this is the first 228 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:26,020 Antony: you have just told us of this by the way 229 00:06:26,580 --> 00:06:27,100 Kevin: yes 230 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,060 Brittney: we are finding out 231 00:06:30,220 --> 00:06:30,740 Brittney: I 232 00:06:30,740 --> 00:06:32,000 Kevin: mean to be fair 233 00:06:32,090 --> 00:06:33,680 Kevin: I did ask you like what time 234 00:06:34,070 --> 00:06:35,380 Kevin: every week would kind of work 235 00:06:36,540 --> 00:06:37,340 Kevin: you dropped it 236 00:06:37,340 --> 00:06:37,640 Brittney: in 237 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:37,900 Kevin: there 238 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:38,640 Kevin: he's real 239 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:43,500 Brittney: too yeah and then we missed like two weeks of that because life is chaos so 240 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:51,400 Kevin: yeah yeah i i for those that don't know i i i have a newborn he's he's just over five weeks now 241 00:06:52,080 --> 00:07:00,060 Kevin: wow and it's it's it's a lot of it's a lot of uh work mostly mentally for me i mean it's it's 242 00:07:00,220 --> 00:07:05,080 Kevin: worse physically for my girlfriend probably because she has to do all the feeding and the stuff um 243 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:05,300 Kevin: Yeah. 244 00:07:06,740 --> 00:07:10,340 Kevin: So basically, I guess, she's taking care of the baby, I'm taking care of her. 245 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:11,940 Brittney: Yeah, that makes sense. 246 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,820 Brittney: That is the role. 247 00:07:16,180 --> 00:07:16,580 Kevin: Right. 248 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:17,800 Kevin: For now, at least. 249 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:18,480 Kevin: Yeah. 250 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,820 Kevin: So, yeah, I've been, I haven't, honestly, I haven't touched any code for like a month. 251 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,160 Kevin: Because I've just been so tired. 252 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:28,080 Kevin: As you shouldn't, 253 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:28,380 Brittney: right? 254 00:07:28,660 --> 00:07:29,960 Brittney: Like, you take paternity leave. 255 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:30,800 Brittney: Right. 256 00:07:31,060 --> 00:07:32,580 Kevin: Yeah, yeah, that is true. 257 00:07:33,340 --> 00:07:36,320 Kevin: But, you know, I kind of like coding, you 258 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:36,360 Brittney: know. 259 00:07:37,300 --> 00:07:39,460 Brittney: We all like coding, but there's 260 00:07:39,460 --> 00:07:39,840 Antony: priorities. 261 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,800 Antony: The thing is, I mean, five weeks is a really hard bit. 262 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,840 Antony: Like the first couple of months are just ridiculous. 263 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,160 Antony: I'm glad I don't have to go through that. 264 00:07:49,180 --> 00:07:50,340 Antony: You know, I 265 00:07:50,340 --> 00:07:52,380 Kevin: think another thing is it's our first, right? 266 00:07:52,620 --> 00:07:56,360 Kevin: So I assume as you have more of them, you're kind of just like, 267 00:07:56,580 --> 00:07:56,720 Brittney: eh, 268 00:07:56,860 --> 00:07:57,980 Kevin: it'll work out. 269 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,960 Brittney: I mean, you know what's going to happen. 270 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,300 Brittney: That doesn't make it better the second time. 271 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,580 Kevin: well in terms of like you maybe you don't worry about everything all the time like 272 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:09,680 Kevin: for me 273 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,020 Brittney: it was a struggle 274 00:08:11,020 --> 00:08:12,400 Kevin: okay all right 275 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,940 Brittney: i mean you do you 276 00:08:14,940 --> 00:08:17,080 Antony: do but you prioritize your worrying 277 00:08:17,390 --> 00:08:21,900 Antony: you prioritize your worrying that's what happens you you worry about a smaller breadth of things 278 00:08:22,050 --> 00:08:23,860 Antony: but you worry in more depth about this 279 00:08:23,860 --> 00:08:27,780 Brittney: anthony do you want to explain for the audience why you have 280 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:28,380 Brittney: tape on your head? 281 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,520 Antony: Well, no one can see the tape on my head, but 282 00:08:31,580 --> 00:08:32,520 Antony: I had a piece of hair 283 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:33,520 Brittney: sticking out. We definitely 284 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:34,060 Brittney: can. 285 00:08:34,860 --> 00:08:35,700 Antony: Well, we can, 286 00:08:35,860 --> 00:08:36,780 Antony: but the audience won't, 287 00:08:36,940 --> 00:08:37,700 Kevin: because we're not recording 288 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:38,440 Kevin: the video. 289 00:08:39,140 --> 00:08:39,460 Brittney: Oh! 290 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,900 Brittney: I thought we were recording video, so... 291 00:08:42,180 --> 00:08:42,659 Antony: No, no. 292 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:43,719 Antony: I just 293 00:08:43,719 --> 00:08:45,100 Brittney: let the cat out of the bag. 294 00:08:46,660 --> 00:08:47,280 Antony: There was a piece of 295 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:49,600 Antony: hair sticking out, and it's gone in. 296 00:08:49,660 --> 00:08:50,740 Antony: I see it worked. See? 297 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,900 Brittney: Editor can cut that out, I guess. 298 00:08:53,540 --> 00:08:54,460 Brittney: It did work. I've been taking 299 00:08:54,460 --> 00:08:55,000 Kevin: a screenshot. 300 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:56,020 Antony: It did work. 301 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:56,980 Antony: table screen shut it's gone 302 00:08:56,980 --> 00:08:57,540 Kevin: it's finished 303 00:08:57,540 --> 00:08:59,900 Antony: the hair is back to well it's about to normal 304 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:01,380 Brittney: yes i 305 00:09:01,380 --> 00:09:01,960 Brittney: changed 306 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,180 Antony: i changed hairdresser as 307 00:09:03,180 --> 00:09:06,320 Kevin: well ah that's the reason for the 308 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:07,760 Kevin: the hair sticking out though 309 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,160 Brittney: you have a regular hairdresser 310 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,800 Brittney: i used to i 311 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:12,320 Kevin: used to 312 00:09:13,660 --> 00:09:20,299 Kevin: i actually do as well but anyway should we talk about something oh that's hurting 313 00:09:22,340 --> 00:09:27,240 Kevin: So for those that can't see, Brittany just got a piercing in the ear, I think. 314 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,900 Kevin: Yeah, I got two ear piercings 315 00:09:29,900 --> 00:09:35,500 Brittney: yesterday to match my 12-year-old daughter so we could clean them and hers will not get infected this time. 316 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,340 Brittney: I also have the same piercings on the other side, so it's called a conch and a helix piercing. 317 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,540 Kevin: And then I had headphones on them and it 318 00:09:45,540 --> 00:09:45,760 Brittney: hurt. 319 00:09:48,820 --> 00:09:50,240 Kevin: Yeah, so now you're just wearing one headphone. 320 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:52,960 Kevin: Well, half of a headphone. 321 00:09:53,300 --> 00:09:54,340 Kevin: Half of a headphone. 322 00:09:54,740 --> 00:09:56,040 Kevin: Pair of headphones? 323 00:09:57,180 --> 00:09:58,480 Antony: Oh, it's not a pair. 324 00:09:59,180 --> 00:09:59,520 Kevin: Right? 325 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:00,000 Kevin: How 326 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:00,900 Antony: did you miss the two 327 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:01,100 Brittney: agents? 328 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,140 Kevin: So in terms of Svelte, what have you guys been up to? 329 00:10:09,180 --> 00:10:10,200 Kevin: Are you working with Svelte? 330 00:10:10,250 --> 00:10:11,960 Kevin: Are you excited? 331 00:10:12,050 --> 00:10:12,440 Kevin: I don't know. 332 00:10:12,460 --> 00:10:13,000 Kevin: I am. 333 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,220 Brittney: I've actually been getting to use Svelte 5 for the first time. 334 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,940 Brittney: Well, not for the first time, but regularly for the first time. 335 00:10:20,140 --> 00:10:21,200 Brittney: And it's been great. 336 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:22,900 Brittney: brand new 337 00:10:22,900 --> 00:10:23,440 Antony: code base. 338 00:10:24,460 --> 00:10:24,660 Antony: Sounds 339 00:10:24,660 --> 00:10:25,160 Kevin: like fun. 340 00:10:25,860 --> 00:10:26,340 Brittney: It's golden. 341 00:10:27,620 --> 00:10:29,520 Antony: It's interesting that, yeah, you're just using 342 00:10:29,700 --> 00:10:31,500 Antony: Spark 5 and in reality, I guess 343 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:33,280 Antony: I too am just using Spark 5 now 344 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,660 Antony: because, you know, in the 345 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,720 Antony: real world, you can't move as fast as the core team 346 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,760 Antony: can or the people with hobby projects 347 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,600 Antony: or side projects or whatever else 348 00:10:41,740 --> 00:10:43,040 Antony: they've got. So you end up 349 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:43,720 Antony: just on a 350 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:44,480 Kevin: bit of an old lot. 351 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:45,400 Kevin: I know. 352 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,540 Kevin: Aren't you the CTO of your company? 353 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:48,520 Antony: Yeah. 354 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:50,420 Antony: to make money. 355 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:51,600 Antony: Priority. 356 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:52,120 Antony: Yeah, I 357 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:52,800 Brittney: was going to say, 358 00:10:52,890 --> 00:10:53,720 Brittney: you have users 359 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,260 Brittney: and you have to 360 00:10:55,260 --> 00:10:55,760 Kevin: keep things 361 00:10:56,340 --> 00:10:57,080 Brittney: flowing and working. 362 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:58,320 Brittney: And 363 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:59,400 Kevin: what better way 364 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,320 Kevin: of using a fast, 365 00:11:02,130 --> 00:11:02,920 Kevin: modern framework 366 00:11:03,220 --> 00:11:03,960 Kevin: that can make 367 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,000 Kevin: the user experience better? 368 00:11:05,580 --> 00:11:05,840 Antony: You know, 369 00:11:05,970 --> 00:11:07,500 Antony: we still have production apps, 370 00:11:07,700 --> 00:11:08,720 Antony: so half of our biggest app 371 00:11:08,770 --> 00:11:10,180 Antony: at Live is still using SAPA. 372 00:11:10,740 --> 00:11:11,620 Brittney: Oh, that's hilarious. 373 00:11:12,250 --> 00:11:12,900 Antony: And it's still fast. 374 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,280 Antony: It's still fast. 375 00:11:14,350 --> 00:11:15,120 Antony: It works, you know. 376 00:11:15,540 --> 00:11:16,460 Antony: But the thing is, 377 00:11:16,660 --> 00:11:18,320 Antony: yeah, we also just started 378 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:19,320 Antony: using SAP5 379 00:11:19,340 --> 00:11:22,200 Antony: because we hired Puru, which you 380 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:22,660 Brittney: may have to know. 381 00:11:22,660 --> 00:11:23,020 Brittney: Oh, goodness. 382 00:11:23,740 --> 00:11:26,020 Antony: And so I get him to do Svelte now rather than me, actually. 383 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,240 Antony: But the thing is, one of his main tasks, really, for us 384 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,180 Antony: is to move all the stuff from Saffron to SvelteKit, 385 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,140 Antony: and then it was subgrade from SvelteKit and Svelte4 386 00:11:38,940 --> 00:11:40,500 Antony: to the latest SvelteKit and Svelte5. 387 00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:44,420 Antony: And it wasn't the world's smoothest journey, I'll be honest, 388 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:47,360 Antony: but we're now on Svelte5, we're in the latest SvelteKit, 389 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,100 Antony: but we still have a bunch of stuff in Sapa, which we are migrating across. 390 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,120 Antony: But it's exciting, yeah, because I mean, I have to admit, 391 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,260 Antony: I was a person who I didn't particularly like the look of runes. 392 00:11:58,380 --> 00:12:01,220 Antony: I remember the first meeting where we started talking about 393 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,700 Antony: what Svelte 5 would be, and I was pretty against the whole idea. 394 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:13,140 Antony: And I certainly made everyone aware on the call that I wasn't against it. 395 00:12:13,700 --> 00:12:16,560 Antony: And there was this kind of movement, sort of, yeah, 396 00:12:16,940 --> 00:12:18,360 Antony: it doesn't make sense to change everything 397 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:20,960 Antony: and then a little bit swayed back the other way 398 00:12:21,060 --> 00:12:22,860 Antony: and Rich is like what if this happened, what if this happened 399 00:12:23,660 --> 00:12:25,160 Antony: and him and Dom are kind of discussing 400 00:12:25,420 --> 00:12:26,400 Antony: what this could look like 401 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,860 Antony: and it starts to look a little bit more 402 00:12:29,140 --> 00:12:30,760 Antony: a little bit less felty let's say 403 00:12:31,140 --> 00:12:33,140 Antony: a little bit more like a set of 404 00:12:34,180 --> 00:12:34,900 Antony: imports and 405 00:12:35,140 --> 00:12:35,900 Antony: a set of 406 00:12:38,740 --> 00:12:39,100 Antony: functions 407 00:12:39,250 --> 00:12:40,920 Antony: that you call to make state rather than having 408 00:12:41,140 --> 00:12:42,360 Antony: state kind of implicit in the language 409 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,240 Antony: and I didn't like that so I wasn't excited 410 00:12:45,260 --> 00:12:49,920 Antony: about moving to it. But now I've started using it and I can see and you have to really use it 411 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,260 Antony: to see the value in what's been done. It's like, 412 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:54,500 Brittney: yeah, 413 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:55,700 Antony: actually, this is this is actually 414 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,600 Antony: it's objectively better, but I can see how it's more intimidating for a newcomer still. 415 00:13:02,180 --> 00:13:04,380 Antony: So my original fear wasn't unfounded, but certainly 416 00:13:04,380 --> 00:13:04,920 Brittney: I 417 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:05,820 Antony: can now see advantages. 418 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:12,680 Brittney: I agree 100%. I think you have to use it to see the benefits of it. But now that I'm using it too, 419 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:17,920 Brittney: It's like you can see just how much easier some things are and 420 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,220 Brittney: how much better things work. 421 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:20,920 Brittney: So, yeah, I 422 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:21,540 Brittney: agree with that. 423 00:13:21,610 --> 00:13:21,940 Brittney: And I 424 00:13:21,940 --> 00:13:22,680 Kevin: was very against 425 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:22,940 Brittney: it. 426 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:25,440 Brittney: Yeah, same. 427 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,100 Kevin: I've been working with it for probably like six or seven months now. 428 00:13:30,550 --> 00:13:30,900 Antony: Oh, wow. 429 00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:31,180 Antony: Okay. 430 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,740 Kevin: At like the place I was at before. 431 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:36,760 Kevin: And I like it. 432 00:13:36,890 --> 00:13:41,100 Kevin: There are just like some stuff that is a bit foot gunny. 433 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,100 Kevin: Like if you're comparing objects in arrays, 434 00:13:45,140 --> 00:13:46,360 Kevin: since it's like a proxy object 435 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:48,260 Kevin: and then you're comparing it with something else, 436 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:52,020 Kevin: you have to kind of, what do you call it? 437 00:13:53,100 --> 00:13:54,100 Kevin: Work around that a bit. 438 00:13:55,180 --> 00:13:57,680 Kevin: Because before you could just like compare the objects 439 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:58,760 Kevin: because they have the same reference, 440 00:13:59,300 --> 00:14:00,580 Kevin: but now they're different references. 441 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,400 Kevin: So it's not really the same object you're comparing 442 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,240 Kevin: if you're like doing a duplication of something. 443 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:07,060 Kevin: Yeah. 444 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:12,900 Kevin: And you want to compare maybe like a, what would you call it? 445 00:14:13,020 --> 00:14:16,140 Kevin: Like the default object. 446 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,360 Kevin: And then if you make a change, 447 00:14:17,460 --> 00:14:21,160 Kevin: and then you want to see which objects in an array has changed, 448 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:21,960 Kevin: something like that. 449 00:14:23,679 --> 00:14:25,060 Kevin: So that's a bit irritating. 450 00:14:26,180 --> 00:14:27,120 Antony: But it's just the nature 451 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:27,780 Kevin: of proxies. 452 00:14:28,620 --> 00:14:30,940 Antony: Yeah, well, I think one of the things about, you know, 453 00:14:32,220 --> 00:14:34,760 Antony: it's like Java kind of nailed it a long time ago, 454 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,640 Antony: And it's a shame that JavaScript and ES6 didn't follow that pattern if they could. 455 00:14:39,580 --> 00:14:43,540 Antony: But the whole two-string function and the overriding of that function 456 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,580 Antony: to build your own equality model is great. 457 00:14:46,700 --> 00:14:47,880 Antony: And I love that in Java. 458 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:48,660 Antony: I think it's really good. 459 00:14:49,940 --> 00:14:53,180 Antony: It would be amazing if there was something similar in JavaScript. 460 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,020 Kevin: I'm not familiar with that. 461 00:14:55,380 --> 00:14:55,960 Kevin: What is that? 462 00:14:56,140 --> 00:15:00,840 Antony: Well, if you compare two objects in Java, what it does is it uses... 463 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:02,640 Antony: It might not be two-string. 464 00:15:02,860 --> 00:15:05,460 Antony: I might have got mixed up here because I learned about it when I was using Groovy, 465 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,860 Antony: but essentially it has a method. 466 00:15:08,340 --> 00:15:10,720 Antony: If you type equals, equals, equals, or the equivalent equals, equals, 467 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:16,220 Antony: or dot equals on it, what it will do is it first of all calls that method, 468 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,240 Antony: which then generates any makeup of that object that you want for comparison. 469 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,200 Antony: So if it's an object full of all sorts of crazy stuff, 470 00:15:24,740 --> 00:15:28,100 Antony: but actually you want to say something's different if it contains one property, 471 00:15:28,220 --> 00:15:30,420 Antony: which is a number that's different or a Boolean true or false, 472 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:31,360 Brittney: You 473 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,180 Antony: can make your equals or two string or whatever method it's called. 474 00:15:36,180 --> 00:15:38,200 Antony: Just compare, just return those two. 475 00:15:38,780 --> 00:15:39,140 Speaker 5: So 476 00:15:39,140 --> 00:15:39,820 Antony: that one property. 477 00:15:40,340 --> 00:15:42,100 Antony: And so you can say they're not equal or they are equal 478 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,240 Antony: based on purely what that method returns. 479 00:15:44,780 --> 00:15:46,340 Antony: So you're really comparing the app by that method. 480 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:48,040 Brittney: And I think 481 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,160 Antony: that'll be, it was great in Groovy. 482 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,340 Antony: It was great in Java. 483 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,180 Antony: I think it would be great in JavaScript or ES6. 484 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,280 Antony: It would fit nicely. 485 00:15:55,540 --> 00:15:55,880 Antony: ESM. 486 00:15:56,180 --> 00:15:57,000 Antony: What are we even calling it nowadays? 487 00:15:57,060 --> 00:15:57,560 Antony: What's it called? 488 00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:58,760 Kevin: ECMAScript. 489 00:15:59,799 --> 00:16:00,600 Antony: Yeah, ECMAScript. 490 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:01,340 Kevin: I don't know. 491 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:02,780 Antony: Who knows? 492 00:16:02,890 --> 00:16:07,180 Kevin: You know, JavaScript is owned by Oracle, right? 493 00:16:07,820 --> 00:16:08,240 Brittney: Yeah, yeah. 494 00:16:08,820 --> 00:16:09,000 Brittney: That's 495 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:09,100 Brittney: true. 496 00:16:09,270 --> 00:16:09,380 Brittney: Right. 497 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:11,580 Kevin: So you have to be careful here. 498 00:16:12,420 --> 00:16:12,660 Kevin: Might be 499 00:16:12,660 --> 00:16:13,320 Brittney: good soon. 500 00:16:13,380 --> 00:16:16,580 Brittney: Yeah, you became the richest man in the world, like, last week, right? 501 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:17,480 Kevin: Yeah, right. 502 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:18,740 Kevin: With the idea. 503 00:16:19,900 --> 00:16:20,840 Antony: They also own Java. 504 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:22,340 Kevin: Right. 505 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,560 Antony: They own the JVM and made it proprietary. 506 00:16:26,270 --> 00:16:29,220 Antony: But luckily, people forked it and made an open JDK before that. 507 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,100 Antony: Oracle are slightly famous for doing this. 508 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,980 Kevin: They're also slightly famous for being a bit anti... 509 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,060 Kevin: I don't know what you would even call it, 510 00:16:41,260 --> 00:16:43,500 Kevin: but they don't have the best reputation, probably. 511 00:16:43,740 --> 00:16:44,000 Antony: No. 512 00:16:44,910 --> 00:16:47,140 Antony: Anti-not-suing people for no obvious reason. 513 00:16:47,780 --> 00:16:48,480 Kevin: Yeah, yeah. 514 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,380 Kevin: Do you guys want to talk about what's new and Svelte? 515 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:53,700 Kevin: All 516 00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:55,180 Brittney: this remote function stuff? 517 00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:57,940 Brittney: To be fair, I don't really know what's new and Svelte. 518 00:16:58,660 --> 00:16:58,920 Kevin: Right. 519 00:17:00,100 --> 00:17:00,160 Brittney: And 520 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:00,920 Kevin: isn't there a 521 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:01,380 Brittney: show 522 00:17:02,150 --> 00:17:03,420 Brittney: called What's New in Svelte 523 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:04,920 Brittney: that we do every week? 524 00:17:05,020 --> 00:17:06,900 Antony: There is actually, yes. 525 00:17:08,860 --> 00:17:10,339 Kevin: You can watch that on YouTube. 526 00:17:11,540 --> 00:17:11,640 Kevin: Yeah. 527 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,060 Kevin: No, but there's remote functions 528 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,319 Kevin: and they just came to SvelteKit as well, 529 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:18,860 Kevin: I think, with SSR support. 530 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,939 Kevin: So now we can actually ditch the load function. 531 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:24,120 Kevin: Oh, okay. 532 00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:25,260 Kevin: You can tell me about those 533 00:17:25,329 --> 00:17:26,360 Brittney: because I don't know about this. 534 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:27,140 Kevin: Yeah. 535 00:17:27,420 --> 00:17:29,760 Kevin: Yeah. Oh, you haven't seen the remote function stuff? 536 00:17:30,580 --> 00:17:30,800 Brittney: No. 537 00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:34,480 Antony: I haven't used them. I'm obviously aware of them, but I haven't used them. 538 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:34,640 Antony: Yeah, 539 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,100 Kevin: I haven't had that much time to use them yet either, 540 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,300 Kevin: but I just watched the video that Simon did. 541 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:42,880 Kevin: I don't know if you've seen it. 542 00:17:43,940 --> 00:17:44,940 Brittney: Oh, I heard about that. 543 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,880 Kevin: He goes through some examples and shows you what you can do. 544 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,880 Kevin: And it looks really nice. 545 00:17:52,100 --> 00:17:52,740 Brittney: It looks really, 546 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:53,320 Kevin: really nice. 547 00:17:53,900 --> 00:18:00,380 Kevin: Especially if you're working in a situation where you're like in your load function where you're pulling in multiple things. 548 00:18:03,060 --> 00:18:08,240 Kevin: And then you might just want to refresh one of them instead of like running the whole load function. 549 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,780 Kevin: You would just like fetch the specific data. 550 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:15,360 Kevin: If that makes sense. 551 00:18:16,300 --> 00:18:17,540 Kevin: It's a lot more granular. 552 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:22,060 Kevin: And it's also like more tied to your component rather than your page. 553 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:32,500 Kevin: So you can kind of reuse logic on different pages by just reusing the component instead of the load function. 554 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:33,340 Kevin: Yeah, 555 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:33,940 Brittney: I 556 00:18:33,940 --> 00:18:34,360 Brittney: would 557 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:35,860 Kevin: highly recommend watching the video. 558 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:38,800 Kevin: It's live on our YouTube channel. 559 00:18:40,140 --> 00:18:40,780 Kevin: It's about society. 560 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,740 Kevin: If you haven't seen it, been to the channel, you should go there and check it out. 561 00:18:45,660 --> 00:18:46,340 Kevin: Especially the video. 562 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:46,980 Kevin: It's very good. 563 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:54,240 Kevin: But yeah, that's about the amount of knowledge I have about remote functions at the time. 564 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:56,620 Brittney: I know there are different 565 00:18:56,620 --> 00:18:56,940 Kevin: ones. 566 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,000 Kevin: It's like the query one where you fetch data. 567 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:05,480 Kevin: There's a command one where you tell the server to do something. 568 00:19:06,060 --> 00:19:08,020 Kevin: And then there's the form one as well, I think. 569 00:19:08,290 --> 00:19:10,820 Kevin: And also a pre-render one, if I remember correctly. 570 00:19:10,910 --> 00:19:14,560 Kevin: So you can fetch data and just pre-render it at build. 571 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,700 Kevin: Or fetch the data at build. 572 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,820 Kevin: push it into time. That sounds really 573 00:19:19,820 --> 00:19:22,120 Brittney: interesting. That's actually what I was going to say earlier 574 00:19:22,380 --> 00:19:27,400 Brittney: is that we have a fairly new code base that we started this year. And we started, 575 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:34,900 Brittney: I feel like back in April, and we had I had to upgrade to get access to attachments, 576 00:19:35,140 --> 00:19:37,800 Brittney: I wanted to use attachments. And then I'm like, Oh, we are 577 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:38,500 Brittney: not on 578 00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:39,740 Brittney: the version that I can use that. 579 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:45,880 Brittney: So it moves so fast. Like, I can't keep up, I actually have to take a break soon just to 580 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:48,840 Brittney: do upgrades we did a v upgrade last week and 581 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,140 Antony: oh yeah i 582 00:19:50,140 --> 00:19:52,080 Brittney: don't think that broke anything but we'll 583 00:19:52,180 --> 00:19:52,280 Brittney: see 584 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:58,280 Antony: yeah i i definitely upgraded us to v test from whatever else we're using in one of the monor 585 00:19:58,340 --> 00:20:02,000 Antony: repos that definitely broke things that was a mistake i 586 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,820 Brittney: am i actually started doing all of my 587 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,960 Brittney: testing in storybook i know hepe has 588 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,280 Brittney: done videos and 589 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,600 Brittney: like worked with uh um what's new and spell i 590 00:20:12,540 --> 00:20:16,760 Brittney: think he did one of those too but storybook has come a long way and 591 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,060 Brittney: the testing in it uses 592 00:20:18,060 --> 00:20:18,480 Brittney: v test 593 00:20:18,670 --> 00:20:19,580 Brittney: under the hood so i 594 00:20:19,580 --> 00:20:20,280 Brittney: just write the 595 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,140 Brittney: story and everything just right together and then you also 596 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,220 Brittney: have that visual piece so you can see your test run what step it's 597 00:20:27,220 --> 00:20:28,300 Brittney: on everything's 598 00:20:28,300 --> 00:20:28,940 Brittney: just right there 599 00:20:29,090 --> 00:20:32,620 Brittney: in your story it's really cool nice yeah 600 00:20:32,620 --> 00:20:37,560 Kevin: yeah storybook is like i think we talked about this 601 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,600 Kevin: at Sotsummit, but like 602 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:40,960 Brittney: I remember 603 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:41,800 Kevin: when Storybook 604 00:20:41,910 --> 00:20:43,820 Kevin: just came out, and it's just 605 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,820 Kevin: like, honestly, and 606 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:46,920 Kevin: I... 607 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:47,740 Brittney: They know this. 608 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,120 Brittney: I think they know this, 609 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:49,400 Kevin: but 610 00:20:49,660 --> 00:20:51,920 Kevin: the developer experience, complete trash, 611 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:52,240 Kevin: right? 612 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,780 Brittney: Especially for Spel. 613 00:20:53,780 --> 00:20:55,080 Brittney: You would just run into issues 614 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:55,620 Kevin: everywhere. 615 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,820 Kevin: Yeah, exactly. But even for 616 00:20:57,910 --> 00:20:59,160 Kevin: like React in the beginning, 617 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:00,700 Kevin: it was not 618 00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:01,520 Antony: that... It was very heavy. 619 00:21:01,690 --> 00:21:03,680 Antony: It was very heavy as well. And I think 620 00:21:03,860 --> 00:21:05,680 Antony: that, you know, 621 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:12,140 Antony: It was at the point where Rick, So, and Co, I think, started writing their own Svensha. 622 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,280 Brittney: Yeah, there were, like, lots of different ones for a while. 623 00:21:16,450 --> 00:21:19,720 Brittney: Like, Scott Dominski had one, and there was 624 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,740 Brittney: a VEAT-based one. 625 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:22,860 Brittney: Yeah, 626 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:23,620 Kevin: a VEAT book 627 00:21:23,620 --> 00:21:24,040 Brittney: or something. 628 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:25,800 Brittney: And there were a few. 629 00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:30,460 Kevin: Yeah, but now it's, like, it's all forgiven, because now it's great. 630 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,280 Brittney: Yeah, now it's great. 631 00:21:32,940 --> 00:21:35,880 Kevin: No, but seriously, they've made really good progress. 632 00:21:36,430 --> 00:21:37,880 Kevin: And it is really nice to use. 633 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:39,320 Brittney: You 634 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,000 Kevin: just have to make sure that your team actually keeps using it. 635 00:21:43,530 --> 00:21:43,760 Kevin: So it 636 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,320 Brittney: doesn't get 637 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:45,760 Kevin: out of sync. 638 00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:47,380 Kevin: It's just me and one other 639 00:21:47,380 --> 00:21:47,920 Brittney: developer. 640 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:51,260 Brittney: And I do all the design system stuff. 641 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,840 Brittney: So Storybook and all that stuff is done by me. 642 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,220 Brittney: So I'm the only one. 643 00:21:56,140 --> 00:21:56,600 Brittney: Just make sure 644 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,200 Brittney: I keep my documentation updated. 645 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,280 Brittney: So in case they lay me 646 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:00,900 Brittney: off like every 647 00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:02,140 Brittney: other company I've worked for. 648 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:06,840 Brittney: sad but true 649 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:09,760 Brittney: yeah well no 650 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,240 Kevin: granger didn't lay me off 651 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:11,480 Brittney: but 652 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,560 Brittney: yeah it is it feels like it's just crazy right now the 653 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,120 Brittney: work place environment with 654 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:19,020 Kevin: ai like 655 00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:20,560 Brittney: taking everything over and 656 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,540 Kevin: it's just i i read i read 657 00:22:22,700 --> 00:22:28,899 Kevin: about on hacker news there there was a thread about there was a study about how like how much 658 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:36,120 Kevin: so they defined this as work slop it was work generated by ai that looks 659 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:36,700 Brittney: like 660 00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:37,480 Kevin: it is good work 661 00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:38,840 Kevin: but is actually bad 662 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,800 Brittney: and it takes apparently 663 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,620 Kevin: it takes up so much time from from other people having 664 00:22:43,780 --> 00:22:49,900 Kevin: to like go through all this like for example like if one person generates work slop then some other 665 00:22:50,140 --> 00:22:56,060 Kevin: receiving person would have to like check that work and make sure that it's good and 666 00:22:56,060 --> 00:22:56,639 apparently 667 00:22:56,660 --> 00:22:57,000 Brittney: that takes 668 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,620 Kevin: a lot of time. 669 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,000 Antony: It takes more time 670 00:23:00,140 --> 00:23:00,700 Antony: than you want to write it 671 00:23:00,700 --> 00:23:01,320 Antony: the first time yourself. 672 00:23:01,740 --> 00:23:01,900 Antony: Exactly. 673 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:02,380 Antony: Yeah. 674 00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:04,040 Kevin: Especially with the back and forth, 675 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:04,400 Kevin: right? 676 00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:06,260 Kevin: If you have the AI 677 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:07,000 Kevin: write some stuff 678 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:08,780 Kevin: and then someone has to review it, 679 00:23:09,220 --> 00:23:10,600 Kevin: maybe they're reviewing it with AI. 680 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:13,380 Kevin: Yeah. 681 00:23:14,020 --> 00:23:15,100 Kevin: Think about like Copilot 682 00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:16,340 Brittney: suggested first thing 683 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:17,080 Brittney: on GitHub now. 684 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:18,760 Kevin: Like every time 685 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:19,540 Antony: you put a PR in. 686 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:21,160 Antony: Yeah. 687 00:23:22,260 --> 00:23:23,560 Antony: This is exactly how you end up 688 00:23:23,580 --> 00:23:24,180 Antony: with no product. 689 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:25,580 Antony: Yeah. 690 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,760 Antony: But it's 691 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:28,740 Kevin: like, it's very good. 692 00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:31,740 Kevin: Like I've been working on the, on the News Felt Society website. 693 00:23:32,660 --> 00:23:33,780 Kevin: It's probably going live soon. 694 00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:34,840 Kevin: I'm not going to promise anything 695 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:35,980 Brittney: like it at Svelte Summit. 696 00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:40,140 Kevin: So, but Kareem just finished fixing a bug. 697 00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:43,600 Kevin: So now, now it's like, we're actually ready to start importing stuff. 698 00:23:43,780 --> 00:23:44,320 Kevin: So it should 699 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:44,620 Brittney: happen. 700 00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:48,540 Kevin: And I'm actually also hiring someone to, to moderate. 701 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,660 Kevin: So if someone listening to this is interested, the pay won't be that good. 702 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:57,000 Kevin: you'll you'll have like a lot 703 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:02,080 Brittney: of fun you get the the pay of the community loving you and thank you 704 00:24:02,140 --> 00:24:03,200 Brittney: exactly yes 705 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:08,620 Kevin: yes we pay you in what's it called when when people want to pay designers in 706 00:24:10,540 --> 00:24:12,540 Kevin: like eyeballs or something like 707 00:24:12,540 --> 00:24:15,940 Brittney: oh in views yeah yeah 708 00:24:15,940 --> 00:24:19,059 Kevin: yeah no but there will be there there'll be 709 00:24:18,820 --> 00:24:25,160 Kevin: like actual pay but it just won't be like a developer pay right because it's not a developer 710 00:24:25,340 --> 00:24:34,020 Kevin: job it's it's mostly admin work yeah but yeah uh what was i saying oh right yeah with the ai stuff 711 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:42,779 Kevin: um so i used a lot of cloud code for for the new website and like it's it's very good at doing like 712 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:50,580 Kevin: the very, very boilerplate-y stuff that I don't want to do myself, that just repeats across 713 00:24:50,970 --> 00:24:58,580 Kevin: multiple pages and stuff like that. I used it to generate a pretty nice admin graphical user 714 00:24:58,980 --> 00:25:06,520 Kevin: interface, so I don't have to use Pocketbase or Firebase or something like that. And it works 715 00:25:06,580 --> 00:25:12,980 Kevin: great um but i that's like hidden away from from the users right it's only like the admins and the 716 00:25:13,060 --> 00:25:17,940 Kevin: editors and the moderators that would be using this gui so for that it's 717 00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:18,540 Brittney: fine and 718 00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:19,120 Kevin: it's fine if 719 00:25:19,220 --> 00:25:24,060 Kevin: there are like a couple of bugs in there because who cares well yeah 720 00:25:24,060 --> 00:25:26,060 Brittney: i've only tried a couple i've 721 00:25:26,260 --> 00:25:29,500 Brittney: i tried chat gpt and it was absolutely awful at anything 722 00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:31,760 Brittney: called related and claude 723 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:32,339 Brittney: is the first 724 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:37,600 Brittney: one that I found that will consistently write spelt code it occasionally will do like a dollar 725 00:25:37,860 --> 00:25:42,460 Brittney: sign colon thing or something and I'll just tell it and it will fix it but 726 00:25:42,460 --> 00:25:43,340 Brittney: what I found 727 00:25:43,340 --> 00:25:43,900 Brittney: with Claude 728 00:25:43,980 --> 00:25:50,780 Brittney: is that because it has that Claude.markdown file it can like you can put things in there about your 729 00:25:50,980 --> 00:25:57,399 Brittney: work how you work whatever your system is that you use and it will read through that at the beginning 730 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,520 Brittney: of your conversation and it will remember essentially. 731 00:26:01,150 --> 00:26:01,260 Brittney: And 732 00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:02,040 Brittney: then I've started 733 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,260 Brittney: with like my JIRA tickets. 734 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,600 Brittney: I've made a folder and it makes its own context of markdown files for each ticket. 735 00:26:09,030 --> 00:26:09,320 Brittney: So then 736 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,300 Brittney: I can be like, oh, 737 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,560 Brittney: if I need to pick back workup, I'm like, go refresh your context 738 00:26:13,630 --> 00:26:14,920 Brittney: on this ticket and it will. 739 00:26:15,420 --> 00:26:18,840 Brittney: And then that's helpful for it to just keep like where we're at. 740 00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:23,680 Brittney: And then it can see your entire file system based on like what you give it access to. 741 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:24,100 Brittney: And 742 00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:24,760 Brittney: because 743 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,580 of that, I think it does a better job than the other ones. 744 00:26:28,940 --> 00:26:29,480 Kevin: Yeah, for sure. 745 00:26:29,550 --> 00:26:29,660 Kevin: Also, 746 00:26:30,330 --> 00:26:32,460 Brittney: I have, sorry, I have the Mac subscription. 747 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,760 Brittney: And I, so I think it's like $100 a month. 748 00:26:35,940 --> 00:26:39,140 Brittney: But I think it's worth it for the time that it saved me. 749 00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:42,900 Brittney: But then I did a workout schedule this week. 750 00:26:42,930 --> 00:26:46,660 Brittney: And I added, it added calendar events to my event. 751 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:50,520 Brittney: Put on the event, the workout that I needed to do for every day. 752 00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:55,440 Brittney: And like factored in the time, factored in like massage chair at the end. 753 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:55,700 Brittney: It was, 754 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,200 Kevin: it's been working 755 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,000 Brittney: really well. 756 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,120 Brittney: I like it a lot. 757 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:00,160 Kevin: Yeah. 758 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:09,100 Kevin: I remember when AI got big like a couple of years ago, I always wanted it to do stuff like that for me. 759 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,860 Kevin: Like figure my day out, like schedule things when I have time, et 760 00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:13,980 Antony: cetera. 761 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:15,580 Kevin: But 762 00:27:15,580 --> 00:27:15,720 Antony: yeah. 763 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:16,460 Antony: It's helpful, yeah. 764 00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:17,860 Kevin: It's helpful. 765 00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:26,740 Kevin: Sorry, I just wanted to mention, like, we were talking about, like, how different LLMs were good at writing Svelte. 766 00:27:26,780 --> 00:27:29,180 Kevin: You mentioned ChatGPT being pretty bad. 767 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,500 Kevin: There's a project, an ongoing project internally. 768 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,420 Kevin: I'm not sure if it's public or not, so maybe I shouldn't talk about this. 769 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,040 Brittney: but there's like a 770 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,940 Kevin: Svelte MCP being worked on that like gives you, 771 00:27:44,670 --> 00:27:52,720 Kevin: gives the LLM feedback on what it writes and just like makes it eventually write 772 00:27:53,010 --> 00:27:54,200 Kevin: correct Svelte 5 code. 773 00:27:54,390 --> 00:27:56,240 Kevin: So that's exciting. 774 00:27:57,780 --> 00:28:04,880 Kevin: And then there's also Svelte Bench that Stanislav Kromov is made that just like 775 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:12,640 Kevin: tests a bunch of different LLMs and compares them to how Svelte 5 should be written, right? 776 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,600 Kevin: So you get like a percentage score of which LLM is writing the best one. 777 00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:24,300 Kevin: And at the moment, it's Claude Opus 4 and Claude Sonnet 4 that are topping the charts, 778 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:25,840 Kevin: which kind of makes sense. 779 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,980 Antony: Yeah, not surprising, is it? 780 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:34,820 Kevin: But then surprising is like after that, there are like two open source Chinese models 781 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,500 Kevin: are up there. 782 00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:37,620 Brittney: And then there's 783 00:28:37,620 --> 00:28:38,720 Brittney: Grot 4 as 784 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:38,960 Kevin: well. 785 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,200 Brittney: And no thank you to that one as well. 786 00:28:43,420 --> 00:28:43,800 Brittney: Yeah. 787 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,160 Brittney: At 788 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:45,960 Brittney: least the Chinese 789 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,060 Kevin: ones you can run 790 00:28:47,180 --> 00:28:47,300 Kevin: yourself. 791 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:48,580 Kevin: You 792 00:28:48,580 --> 00:28:49,780 Brittney: don't have to run it through the servers. 793 00:28:49,780 --> 00:28:51,760 Brittney: I don't want to have my own server. I'm good. 794 00:28:52,620 --> 00:28:52,820 Kevin: Yeah. 795 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:55,860 Kevin: Totally makes sense. 796 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:56,620 Brittney: But yeah, I 797 00:28:56,620 --> 00:28:57,480 Kevin: just wanted to mention that. 798 00:28:58,260 --> 00:28:58,860 Brittney: AI has been great. 799 00:28:58,900 --> 00:28:59,860 Brittney: I'm lazy. I like 800 00:28:59,860 --> 00:29:00,800 Antony: lazy things. 801 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:02,980 Antony: Yeah. 802 00:29:03,340 --> 00:29:06,820 Antony: Well, the way we use AI is we have a thing called Tembo, 803 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,680 Antony: which is a startup that basically 804 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,300 Kevin: reads linear 805 00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:10,820 Antony: tickets. 806 00:29:11,460 --> 00:29:12,080 Antony: Tembo.io. 807 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:13,480 Brittney: Tembo 808 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:13,880 Antony: .io. 809 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,600 Antony: You can connect it to various different ticket systems and backlogs, 810 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,620 Antony: and you can go to GitHub or whatever else you use, 811 00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:23,360 Antony: and then basically it can pick up tickets, do 812 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:23,800 Brittney: the work, 813 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,180 Antony: and then open PRs, which is, 814 00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:28,060 Antony: that's kind of all the workflow I really want from it. 815 00:29:28,340 --> 00:29:29,440 Antony: I'm not going to pretend it's great. 816 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:30,660 Antony: It's not always great. 817 00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:31,760 Antony: It can do simple things. 818 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,580 Antony: You can automate simple tasks, which is handy. 819 00:29:34,220 --> 00:29:36,040 Antony: It saves you dead getting, you know, 820 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,400 Antony: losing context of what they're working on 821 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,620 Antony: and doing some, like, little patch thing or whatever. 822 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,420 Antony: It sometimes goes crazy. 823 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,720 Antony: I think it uses Claude Under the Hood. 824 00:29:43,780 --> 00:29:45,320 Antony: For some reason, it sometimes goes crazy. 825 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,280 Antony: Does all sorts of mad stuff, 826 00:29:47,460 --> 00:29:49,600 Antony: like regressing dependencies to older versions. 827 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:51,260 Antony: But it's in a 828 00:29:51,260 --> 00:29:52,060 Brittney: PR, so you can 829 00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:52,680 Antony: review it and say, 830 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:53,400 Antony: what are you doing? 831 00:29:53,540 --> 00:29:54,440 Antony: What's going on here? 832 00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:57,320 Kevin: Installing is odd and is even. 833 00:29:57,860 --> 00:29:59,140 Antony: Yeah, things like that. 834 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,160 Kevin: Like, seeing 835 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,880 Antony: the presence of libraries 836 00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:06,520 Antony: this within the same monorepo and deciding it should create them all with like with like actual 837 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,080 Antony: code and and package 838 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,520 Kevin: you have to say that this is the wrong approach anthony yeah 839 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,180 Antony: yeah well exactly 840 00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:22,440 Antony: i mean i must be right but yeah so it's it's um it's useful in a sort of confined space should we 841 00:30:25,220 --> 00:30:33,360 Kevin: all right cool what do you guys think should we end it there it's like a first episode teaser for 842 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,660 Kevin: for everyone and then uh i was thinking i would uh invite simon for the next one 843 00:30:37,660 --> 00:30:39,400 Brittney: he mentioned some 844 00:30:39,740 --> 00:30:43,660 Kevin: that he would be interested in coming on and talking about remote functions so 845 00:30:43,660 --> 00:30:44,220 Antony: we can like 846 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:44,620 Antony: explore 847 00:30:44,620 --> 00:30:46,980 Kevin: that in detail maybe 848 00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:51,520 Antony: we can all learn yeah oh 849 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,220 Kevin: of course we can't forget our two last 850 00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:54,940 Kevin: sections right 851 00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:56,920 Antony: oh yes don't forget our two what 852 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,380 Kevin: did we call them hot takes uh it 853 00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:01,720 Antony: was oh yeah i 854 00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:07,320 Antony: don't know about that one it was it was pics and the other one was um yeah hot takes no it wasn't 855 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,140 Antony: the hot takes it was 856 00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:13,300 Kevin: controversial controversial opinions popular opinions yeah wow 857 00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:14,240 Antony: it's been a 858 00:31:14,420 --> 00:31:18,320 Kevin: Yeah, yeah. I almost wrote hot, unpopular opinions. That's not the one. 859 00:31:18,740 --> 00:31:20,080 Antony: I was going to write hot potatoes. 860 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:21,760 Antony: Hot, hot potatoes. 861 00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:22,340 Antony: That's another one. 862 00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:25,600 Kevin: Unpopular opinions. Okay. 863 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:31,340 Kevin: Opinions. All right. I'll go first. You don't have to have one. 864 00:31:31,860 --> 00:31:34,020 Kevin: I'm going to lean in on the work slop thing. 865 00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:34,540 Kevin: AI 866 00:31:34,540 --> 00:31:35,480 Brittney: is not the end 867 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,940 Kevin: -all-be-all of the world, I would say. 868 00:31:41,740 --> 00:31:43,000 Kevin: Sean would probably disagree. 869 00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:44,680 Brittney: He's not 870 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:45,360 Kevin: here to defend himself. 871 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,220 Kevin: I'm not going to say anything. 872 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,720 Kevin: Say what he would say. 873 00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:51,640 Kevin: But yeah, it's good for some stuff. 874 00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:53,720 Kevin: But I also think like the work slop thing, 875 00:31:54,420 --> 00:31:56,320 Kevin: that is probably a very real thing. 876 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,740 Kevin: And it wastes probably a lot of time. 877 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,760 Kevin: So once we figured that out, 878 00:32:03,340 --> 00:32:04,260 Kevin: maybe it's going to be better. 879 00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:06,100 Kevin: But it all depends on the prompts, right? 880 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,600 Kevin: The people that are asking the AI to do stuff. 881 00:32:11,820 --> 00:32:12,860 Brittney: you need 882 00:32:12,860 --> 00:32:14,180 Kevin: to improve on that part as well 883 00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:14,580 Kevin: so 884 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:16,400 Brittney: I agree 885 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:16,780 Kevin: and I 886 00:32:16,780 --> 00:32:17,120 Brittney: don't know if 887 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,120 Brittney: that's a controversial 888 00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:20,280 Brittney: opinion unless you're like 889 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,480 Brittney: the CEO of 890 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:21,960 Brittney: a company 891 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,000 Brittney: who's just trying to save money with 892 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,220 Brittney: workers but 893 00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:26,080 Brittney: yeah 894 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,000 Brittney: I mean 895 00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:30,360 Brittney: I don't know 896 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:30,860 Antony: I don't have 897 00:32:30,860 --> 00:32:31,920 Brittney: a controversial opinion 898 00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:34,060 Brittney: go ahead Anthony I know you always have 899 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,460 Brittney: I often 900 00:32:35,460 --> 00:32:35,679 Antony: have 901 00:32:36,260 --> 00:32:37,560 Antony: I didn't really think of one for this one 902 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:38,680 Brittney: but 903 00:32:40,260 --> 00:32:41,140 Antony: I mean 904 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,000 Antony: Yeah, I think Kev's taken the best one there 905 00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:45,580 Antony: because that is very pertinent right now. 906 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:46,300 Antony: Very much. 907 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,060 Brittney: That's where you go first. 908 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,760 Brittney: Yeah, it is. 909 00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:48,980 Antony: Wheelhouse, yeah. 910 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:51,420 Antony: Controversial opinion. 911 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:56,000 Antony: Oh, I think, right, the controversial opinion I have 912 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,660 Antony: is related really to politics instead. 913 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:00,220 Brittney: Oh, no. 914 00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:01,100 Brittney: Oh, no. 915 00:33:01,230 --> 00:33:01,580 Brittney: I know. 916 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,180 Antony: Well, it's controversial in a good way, right? 917 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,060 Antony: The fact is that when you have two equally bad governments, 918 00:33:09,340 --> 00:33:14,240 Antony: The only way that you can get the government that you want to win 919 00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:22,640 Antony: or the party that you want to win is by basically finding common ground 920 00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:24,500 Antony: and competing on that. 921 00:33:25,020 --> 00:33:29,820 Antony: Because if you try to beat them by taking the issue that they're championing 922 00:33:30,250 --> 00:33:33,180 Antony: and they're better at it than you are, you're going to lose to 923 00:33:33,180 --> 00:33:33,400 Brittney: them 924 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:34,720 Antony: with their own arguments. 925 00:33:34,830 --> 00:33:37,960 Antony: So therefore you have to find common ground and then use that common ground 926 00:33:37,980 --> 00:33:42,440 Antony: to differentiate to brand your political party to win. 927 00:33:42,660 --> 00:33:46,400 Antony: And it's very much taken from my pick, actually, 928 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,260 Antony: which I could go to my pick from this, 929 00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:48,540 Brittney: actually. 930 00:33:48,580 --> 00:33:48,860 Brittney: Go for it. 931 00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:53,020 Antony: So my pick is a guy called, and it's really better if you're British, 932 00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:55,980 Antony: but if you're in any way interested in economics or politics 933 00:33:56,260 --> 00:33:58,660 Antony: or anything like that at all, trading, you name it, 934 00:33:59,260 --> 00:34:01,700 Antony: there's a guy called Gary's Economics on YouTube. 935 00:34:02,620 --> 00:34:04,760 Antony: And he is very, very smart. 936 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,879 Antony: So he was the youngest, one of the best traders in the world, 937 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,040 Antony: and also one of the youngest traders in the world, 938 00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:12,780 Antony: working for all the big banks. 939 00:34:13,220 --> 00:34:15,860 Antony: And now he advises banks, but he also does YouTube, 940 00:34:16,940 --> 00:34:19,899 Antony: and basically talks about how actually everything in politics 941 00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:23,179 Antony: is not based on anything about discrimination, race, whatever else. 942 00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:25,020 Antony: It's all based on inequality, 943 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,440 Antony: and it's the inequality divide between the rich and the poor, 944 00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:34,139 Antony: which drives all sorts of resentment inside a population, 945 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,980 Antony: and then drives them to vote and to think in a specific way. 946 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,460 Antony: It's all to do with actually inequality, 947 00:34:40,770 --> 00:34:43,460 Antony: the poor getting poorer and the rich taking everything from the poor. 948 00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:45,580 Antony: So it's worth a watch. 949 00:34:45,580 --> 00:34:46,100 Antony: It's very interesting. 950 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,060 Antony: And he speaks about it in a way that is very much like down to earth. 951 00:34:51,179 --> 00:34:53,240 Antony: It's not, you know, lots of complex terms. 952 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:59,660 Antony: He's laying it out for you as a layman or layperson would receive that information. 953 00:35:01,820 --> 00:35:02,020 Brittney: Sounds 954 00:35:02,020 --> 00:35:02,420 interesting. 955 00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:06,120 Brittney: um i guess how 956 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,160 Kevin: how would i sorry 957 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,320 Brittney: one second you can go ahead how 958 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,060 Kevin: what what would i call 959 00:35:11,060 --> 00:35:13,300 Kevin: your unpopular opinion anthony find 960 00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:17,460 Antony: my own ground my unpopular opinion is that um 961 00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:29,580 Antony: you can't you can't yeah you can't win a battle by by um fighting with 962 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,760 Antony: like fighting on the same terms, I guess. 963 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:34,600 Antony: I mean, it's something like that. 964 00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:34,960 Antony: It's 965 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,140 Brittney: basically that you have to find something 966 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,640 Antony: common in order to differentiate. 967 00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:41,640 Antony: Cool. 968 00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:43,320 Kevin: Yeah. 969 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:44,820 Kevin: All right, Briden, sorry. 970 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,640 Brittney: Oh, no worries. 971 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,280 Brittney: I guess I might have a controversial opinion for somebody. 972 00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:53,960 Brittney: Cats are better than dogs, in my opinion. 973 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:55,280 Brittney: I 974 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,300 Kevin: guess depending on who you 975 00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:56,660 Brittney: are. 976 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,040 Brittney: That's wrong. 977 00:35:58,720 --> 00:35:59,420 Kevin: That's wrong. 978 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,680 Kevin: 100% true 979 00:36:01,390 --> 00:36:02,080 Kevin: I agree with you 980 00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:02,280 Kevin: and 981 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:02,300 Brittney: then 982 00:36:02,650 --> 00:36:03,560 Brittney: I guess my pick 983 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:04,720 Brittney: is going to be 984 00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:05,320 Brittney: um 985 00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:07,360 Brittney: if you like cats 986 00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:08,220 Brittney: and you are like me 987 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:08,820 Brittney: and think cats 988 00:36:08,850 --> 00:36:09,560 Brittney: are better than dogs 989 00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:10,740 Brittney: find a place 990 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:11,800 Brittney: that has cats 991 00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:12,800 Brittney: to work from 992 00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:13,880 Brittney: if you can't have cats 993 00:36:13,930 --> 00:36:14,040 Brittney: at 994 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:14,160 Kevin: home 995 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,340 Kevin: like a cat cafe 996 00:36:15,550 --> 00:36:15,940 Kevin: or something 997 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:16,920 Brittney: it's 998 00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:17,340 Brittney: yeah 999 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,220 Brittney: that's essentially 1000 00:36:18,330 --> 00:36:19,100 Brittney: where I've been working 1001 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:20,220 Kevin: so I got a membership 1002 00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:20,620 Brittney: to 1003 00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:21,600 Brittney: aww 1004 00:36:21,890 --> 00:36:23,000 Brittney: little floof ball 1005 00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:24,560 Brittney: you are so cute 1006 00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:26,320 Kevin: hold him up again 1007 00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:27,300 Brittney: see I love cats 1008 00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:27,820 Brittney: this 1009 00:36:27,820 --> 00:36:28,240 Kevin: is 1010 00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:29,480 Kevin: this is 1011 00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:30,680 Kevin: her up again okay 1012 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,560 Brittney: screenshot taken this is Bruce 1013 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,640 Kevin: yeah that's cute that's a very cute oh I'm hearing 1014 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:37,360 Kevin: a baby screaming 1015 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,800 Brittney: yeah maybe 1016 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,120 Brittney: I should 1017 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,480 Kevin: oh I should I should bring the baby on so you can see him 1018 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:41,960 Kevin: oh you should 1019 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:42,660 Brittney: maybe next week 1020 00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:44,800 Kevin: maybe not when he's screaming but 1021 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,300 Brittney: yeah all 1022 00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:51,120 Kevin: right uh picks so your picks 1023 00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:52,880 Kevin: your pick was go to a 1024 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,200 Brittney: cat cafe or some other place yes yeah some place with a cat and 1025 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:57,680 Brittney: Anthony 1026 00:36:57,700 --> 00:36:58,400 Brittney: scary economics 1027 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:06,440 Kevin: i have i have uh a tv show slow horses oh very very good show first episode of 1028 00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:08,600 Kevin: the new season comes out today which is 1029 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,840 Brittney: what's it on apple 1030 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:11,360 Kevin: tv plus 1031 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,400 Brittney: okay it's 1032 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,540 Kevin: about like a i haven't 1033 00:37:14,540 --> 00:37:15,840 Brittney: seen that one i heard of yeah 1034 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,120 Kevin: it's it's with gary oldman in the as like the lead 1035 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:19,480 Brittney: actor 1036 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,900 Kevin: and it's 1037 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:27,640 Kevin: about he basically runs this janky old i don't know what you would call it like a 1038 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,440 Brittney: spy in 1039 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:29,600 Kevin: an 1040 00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:30,060 Brittney: offshoot 1041 00:37:30,060 --> 00:37:31,440 Kevin: of mi6 or something 1042 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,560 Brittney: like that oh that sounds interesting and all like the rejects 1043 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:35,700 Kevin: end 1044 00:37:35,740 --> 00:37:38,480 Kevin: up there and things happen it's just like fun 1045 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,220 Antony: very funny 1046 00:37:39,220 --> 00:37:40,580 Brittney: awesome it's 1047 00:37:40,580 --> 00:37:41,640 Antony: where where you go and 1048 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,780 Antony: they can't really fire you but they basically fire you 1049 00:37:43,780 --> 00:37:48,380 Brittney: oh nice i would enjoy that yeah i've been 1050 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:48,920 Brittney: watching star trek 1051 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:55,200 Kevin: star trek there's a new one or are you watching like an old well 1052 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,120 Brittney: the one that was 1053 00:37:56,420 --> 00:38:01,100 Brittney: out a couple years ago i think it's uh i don't even remember what it was called but it's a 1054 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:02,520 Brittney: the prequel to the original 1055 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:11,060 Kevin: oh there's a prequel to to be honest i am not a star trek uh yeah so 1056 00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:11,580 Kevin: like 1057 00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:15,020 Brittney: i don't know like captain kirk is on a different ship and like 1058 00:38:15,020 --> 00:38:15,720 Antony: all the people 1059 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:16,280 Brittney: kind of 1060 00:38:16,180 --> 00:38:18,200 Brittney: get introduced like as yeah so 1061 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,880 Antony: an old irc friend recently met captain janeway 1062 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,340 Antony: he's got some photos with her in some place in 1063 00:38:26,340 --> 00:38:27,980 Brittney: new york next gen right 1064 00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:36,420 Antony: which is the one with the ewoks where the ewoks from which star trek that's star wars isn't it 1065 00:38:36,450 --> 00:38:39,220 Antony: oh yeah same same thing same thing yeah no 1066 00:38:39,220 --> 00:38:42,020 Kevin: but this this is star trek anthony this is star trek 1067 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,080 Antony: that's also very 1068 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:44,860 Kevin: very 1069 00:38:44,860 --> 00:38:45,660 Antony: insulting to 1070 00:38:45,660 --> 00:38:46,700 Kevin: Star Wars fans like myself 1071 00:38:47,220 --> 00:38:47,360 Kevin: different 1072 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:47,880 Antony: seasons 1073 00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:50,020 Kevin: Star Trek the same as Star Wars 1074 00:38:50,860 --> 00:38:51,480 Brittney: oh my god 1075 00:38:52,090 --> 00:38:53,140 Antony: Star Wars The Next Generation 1076 00:38:53,420 --> 00:38:53,500 Antony: and 1077 00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:54,380 Kevin: on that note 1078 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,880 Kevin: that's it for this week 1079 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:58,240 Brittney: that's it 1080 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,800 Kevin: yeah thank you all for listening 1081 00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:03,260 Kevin: I hope you guys enjoyed 1082 00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:05,420 Kevin: this as much as I did 1083 00:39:05,710 --> 00:39:07,360 Kevin: it was a lot of fun talking to you guys again 1084 00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:09,060 Kevin: and I hope we 1085 00:39:09,490 --> 00:39:12,000 Kevin: will make this an actual 1086 00:39:12,180 --> 00:39:13,380 Kevin: recurring thing. 1087 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,220 Kevin: And now Anthony is showing a 1088 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,040 Kevin: mug that says, go 1089 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:17,720 Speaker 5: away, I'm coding. 1090 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 5: Go away, I'm coding. That's a very 1091 00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:21,180 Speaker 5: old meme, by the way. 1092 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 5: That picture. 1093 00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:24,260 Brittney: Classic. 1094 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 5: Alright, goodbye everyone, and we will 1095 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,700 Speaker 5: talk to you next week. 1096 00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:30,500 Brittney: Bye-bye. 1097 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,080 Brittney: next week