In this episode of the Cybersecurity Awesomeness Podcast, host Chris Steffen welcomes his fellow Cloud Security Alliance Zero Trust Working Group co-chairs and Numberline Security co-founders, Jason Garbis and Jerry Chapman, for a candid look at what is working—and what is failing—in enterprise security.
The trio examines how rapid business adoption of agentic AI and low-code platforms is outpacing security controls, exposing decades of accumulated "security debt" across unsegmented networks and unclassified data repositories. They highlight a growing disconnect at the executive level: as the modern CISO role shifts away from deep technical roots, organizations risk neglecting basic cyber hygiene while struggling to govern exploding non-human identity (NHI) sprawl. Ultimately, Garbis and Chapman emphasize that true Zero Trust maturity requires ditching purely technology-driven checklists in favor of prioritized, business-aligned roadmaps anchored in foundational blocking and tackling—specifically data inventory, classification, and identity governance.
What is Cybersecurity Awesomeness Podcast?
The Cybersecurity Awesomeness Podcast from Enterprise Management Asscoaites (EMA) features cybersecurity expert Chris Steffen discussing critical cybersecurity issues. They cover everything from the challenges of certificate management and the cyber workforce talent shortage to deep. Available on all major platforms, this podcast offers credible, well-regarded insights into today's top security topics.