1 00:00:00,384 --> 00:00:03,984 didn't build it. We don't know who did no they were gone long before 2 00:00:03,984 --> 00:00:07,964 we ever got here Welcome to primary technology the show about the tech news that 3 00:00:07,964 --> 00:00:11,024 matters We're gonna talk about Apple earnings this week is Apple vision 4 00:00:11,024 --> 00:00:15,664 Pro did the RAM? Pocalypse is affecting even more Macs like the Mac studio 5 00:00:15,664 --> 00:00:18,944 of course the Mac mini Everyone might get some money if they have 6 00:00:18,944 --> 00:00:21,364 an Apple intelligence device because of the lawsuit 7 00:00:21,419 --> 00:00:24,633 We actually have some data center news causing a kerfuffle. 8 00:00:24,633 --> 00:00:26,726 Claude made a deal with SpaceX, 9 00:00:26,726 --> 00:00:29,149 Mir Moradi is testifying at the OpenAI Musk trial, 10 00:00:29,149 --> 00:00:33,043 and a ton more. This episode is brought to you by NordLayer and CleanMyMac, 11 00:00:33,043 --> 00:00:35,196 and of course, all of you, the members who support us directly, 12 00:00:35,196 --> 00:00:36,768 and one of your hosts, Robles, 13 00:00:36,768 --> 00:00:39,091 joining us once again, developer Jason Aten. 14 00:00:39,091 --> 00:00:40,102 How's it going, Jason? 15 00:00:40,461 --> 00:00:44,915 grumpy Stephen because people keep calling me grumpy and it's making 16 00:00:41,677 --> 00:00:42,686 Grumpy, why grumpy? 17 00:00:44,915 --> 00:00:49,750 me very grumpy I don't know but the one way to make me feel grumpy is 18 00:00:46,059 --> 00:00:47,702 It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. 19 00:00:49,750 --> 00:00:52,223 to call me grumpy I guess no I'm fine it's good 20 00:00:52,469 --> 00:00:54,748 Yeah, yeah, no, no, I'm excited because, 21 00:00:54,748 --> 00:00:56,817 well, we won't say the status right now. 22 00:00:57,803 --> 00:01:01,050 I mean, I did get my app reviewed once and rejected once. 23 00:01:00,291 --> 00:01:01,291 That's right. 24 00:01:01,698 --> 00:01:03,726 Everyone has got to get their app rejected once. 25 00:01:03,451 --> 00:01:04,451 I was 26 00:01:03,792 --> 00:01:06,595 just waiting for it. would have actually been disappointed if it just sailed right 27 00:01:06,595 --> 00:01:08,897 through. mean, nothing about it has sailed through. 28 00:01:09,397 --> 00:01:10,551 It's like every 29 00:01:10,551 --> 00:01:12,639 developer gets their wings when their app store gets rejected, 30 00:01:12,639 --> 00:01:13,772 right? I mean, at least once. 31 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,341 I feel like that's probably true. 32 00:01:15,341 --> 00:01:19,125 So I don't know. I've heard a lot of people talk about like the weird rejections 33 00:01:19,425 --> 00:01:21,928 and it was very like it was good. 34 00:01:21,928 --> 00:01:23,629 I mean the one rejection was useful. 35 00:01:23,629 --> 00:01:27,734 It's like I wouldn't actually want my app to have shipped with that particular 36 00:01:24,483 --> 00:01:27,497 Yeah, yeah, With that bug, yeah. 37 00:01:27,734 --> 00:01:30,206 problem. So I'm glad so we're getting closer. 38 00:01:30,206 --> 00:01:32,939 I was really hoping I could be like it's it's available people. 39 00:01:30,573 --> 00:01:32,720 Getting close. It's out there, 40 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:33,720 it's out there. 41 00:01:33,201 --> 00:01:34,997 Maybe you'll get the email while we record, 42 00:01:34,997 --> 00:01:35,997 you never know. 43 00:01:35,958 --> 00:01:37,879 And if I do, do I push it out immediately? 44 00:01:37,879 --> 00:01:39,848 Okay. 45 00:01:38,229 --> 00:01:40,302 Yes, you do. And yes, it be 46 00:01:40,302 --> 00:01:43,577 live on the show. Do you have any idea where that quote was from? 47 00:01:43,577 --> 00:01:45,890 It's a little bit obscure, but it's from my favorite movies. 48 00:01:45,091 --> 00:01:46,091 Okay, 49 00:01:45,991 --> 00:01:48,391 so you told me it from a movie. 50 00:01:48,391 --> 00:01:52,811 In my brain, I'm like, well, that was from silo. 51 00:01:48,695 --> 00:01:49,695 Yes. 52 00:01:52,811 --> 00:01:56,051 That's 100 % felt like silo. 53 00:01:55,592 --> 00:01:57,615 It does, but no. This 54 00:01:56,051 --> 00:01:57,431 So 55 00:01:57,615 --> 00:02:01,862 is from before 2000. This is from a sci-fi movie before the year 2000. 56 00:02:02,977 --> 00:02:04,666 what was that Amy Adams movie? 57 00:02:04,970 --> 00:02:07,197 No, it's not that one either. This is Jody Foster. 58 00:02:07,197 --> 00:02:09,213 We don't know who did. They were long. 59 00:02:09,213 --> 00:02:10,567 They were gone long before we ever got here. 60 00:02:10,567 --> 00:02:11,567 It's contact. 61 00:02:11,841 --> 00:02:17,547 Wait, what was the Amy Adams movie called that I'm thinking of where there's. 62 00:02:16,066 --> 00:02:17,506 I have no idea. The Hulk? 63 00:02:17,786 --> 00:02:22,906 No. Sorry. That's that's... 64 00:02:20,267 --> 00:02:23,907 What was what sci fi? 65 00:02:22,906 --> 00:02:24,286 Okay, anyway, while you do that, 66 00:02:24,286 --> 00:02:25,746 let me do some 5 star review shoutouts. 67 00:02:25,746 --> 00:02:27,826 We have Game Man 114 from the USA. 68 00:02:26,997 --> 00:02:30,009 Arrival. Sorry. Arrival. 69 00:02:27,826 --> 00:02:30,386 What is it? Oh, Arrival? Yeah, 70 00:02:30,009 --> 00:02:33,111 I know I'm just saying contact 71 00:02:30,386 --> 00:02:32,686 but that was not before 2000. That was like 2014. 72 00:02:33,111 --> 00:02:34,643 and arrival in my brain are the same movie. 73 00:02:34,643 --> 00:02:35,673 So that's why I said that. 74 00:02:35,010 --> 00:02:37,130 Oh my god, we can't even go there. 75 00:02:37,130 --> 00:02:38,130 can't even go there. 76 00:02:38,330 --> 00:02:39,370 William would have some words. 77 00:02:39,370 --> 00:02:41,870 William Gallagher, he watches Arrival every year on Christmas, 78 00:02:41,870 --> 00:02:44,170 I think. He loves that movie. He loves it. 79 00:02:44,064 --> 00:02:45,606 I do. think it's a great movie. 80 00:02:44,170 --> 00:02:46,170 It's a great movie. It's a great movie. 81 00:02:45,606 --> 00:02:46,808 But all right. So I 82 00:02:46,170 --> 00:02:47,170 It's a great movie. 83 00:02:46,808 --> 00:02:48,491 got it wrong. Mark me down for being wrong. 84 00:02:49,186 --> 00:02:50,926 It was pretty obscure. It's a hard quote. 85 00:02:50,926 --> 00:02:52,946 Matthew McConaughey's in that movie too. 86 00:02:52,946 --> 00:02:54,606 Contact. It's a good one. All right. 87 00:02:54,606 --> 00:02:56,286 Five star review. Shout outs. Thank you for five stars. 88 00:02:56,286 --> 00:03:00,986 Game Man 114 from the USA. The Chris Chia from the USA stumbled upon us. 89 00:03:00,986 --> 00:03:04,066 We've been featured a lot in Apple Podcasts because we added video. 90 00:03:04,066 --> 00:03:05,686 And so just maybe discovered us that way. 91 00:03:05,686 --> 00:03:08,486 Ashton McCants from the USA subscribed, 92 00:03:08,486 --> 00:03:11,726 became a member. Very kind. Bob the Baldi, 93 00:03:11,726 --> 00:03:13,306 fellow Baldi maybe, from the UK. 94 00:03:13,306 --> 00:03:16,486 Not seen a double act of this caliber since Burt and Ernie. 95 00:03:16,486 --> 00:03:17,786 That's a high bar. 96 00:03:18,154 --> 00:03:19,758 I feel like that's high praise. 97 00:03:19,758 --> 00:03:21,903 Bert and Ernie? Yeah, I think so. 98 00:03:20,087 --> 00:03:22,949 I think so. think it is, but then the 99 00:03:21,903 --> 00:03:22,903 I think so. 100 00:03:22,949 --> 00:03:24,686 emoji makes me wonder, but that's okay. 101 00:03:25,027 --> 00:03:27,227 No, no, no. I think he was just laughing at his own joke. 102 00:03:27,227 --> 00:03:29,167 But anyway, oh, hey, it's you from the USA. 103 00:03:29,167 --> 00:03:31,127 All five star views. Thank you for those. 104 00:03:31,127 --> 00:03:32,487 And I want to give a shout out. 105 00:03:32,487 --> 00:03:34,387 We give shout outs to like developers make apps. 106 00:03:34,387 --> 00:03:36,127 We talked about chess piece last week. 107 00:03:36,127 --> 00:03:38,847 The listener listens to the developer listens to this show. 108 00:03:38,847 --> 00:03:43,367 And then John Gruber also featured him on daring fireball dot net for chess piece. 109 00:03:43,367 --> 00:03:49,567 P E A C E. But also, Ivan sent me an email listens to the show and he made 110 00:03:49,567 --> 00:03:51,687 an app called Brew Card. It's actually a web app. 111 00:03:51,687 --> 00:03:53,382 Brew card dot app. 112 00:03:53,868 --> 00:03:57,079 great domain grab there. This is something totally free. 113 00:03:57,079 --> 00:04:01,561 If you make coffee and stuff, you can design a card that is like your recipe 114 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,253 for a specific kind of coffee and you can download a PNG of that card if 115 00:04:06,253 --> 00:04:10,194 you want to share it maybe on social media or you can even share a link to it. 116 00:04:10,194 --> 00:04:12,526 And again, all this is free. You can download the stuff for free, 117 00:04:12,526 --> 00:04:15,097 share it online for free. And if you make coffee, 118 00:04:15,097 --> 00:04:19,139 maybe want to share your recipes or you have a coffee shop and you want 119 00:04:19,139 --> 00:04:21,590 to be able to like post Instagram stories of your different drinks. 120 00:04:21,794 --> 00:04:23,654 It's just a free website, Brewcard.app. 121 00:04:23,654 --> 00:04:24,654 We'll link it in the show notes. 122 00:04:24,434 --> 00:04:26,934 Pretty cool. I like it. You actually, 123 00:04:26,934 --> 00:04:28,754 you took apart your whole coffee maker this past week, 124 00:04:28,754 --> 00:04:29,754 right? Because you broke it? 125 00:04:29,645 --> 00:04:31,876 We, yeah, we apparently, you know, 126 00:04:31,876 --> 00:04:33,097 I've, this actually happened one other time, 127 00:04:33,097 --> 00:04:34,357 but apparently when you buy a bag of, 128 00:04:34,357 --> 00:04:38,390 of beans, there are other objects that could be in there that are the shape 129 00:04:38,390 --> 00:04:40,121 of a bean, but much more dense, 130 00:04:40,121 --> 00:04:42,562 like, you know, rocks. And then I've, 131 00:04:42,082 --> 00:04:43,082 you 132 00:04:42,562 --> 00:04:45,784 we've, with my, my espresso machine passed a stone. 133 00:04:45,784 --> 00:04:48,945 Unfortunately, part of its guts did not survive. 134 00:04:48,945 --> 00:04:52,137 So I took the whole thing apart and then I was like, 135 00:04:52,137 --> 00:04:56,029 well, this thing is like a thousand dollars and we use it four times a day. 136 00:04:54,369 --> 00:04:55,369 Yeah. 137 00:04:56,029 --> 00:04:59,211 I think I'm going to just get the replacement parts and fix it. 138 00:04:59,211 --> 00:05:00,211 So. 139 00:04:59,532 --> 00:05:00,663 That's pretty good. That's pretty good. 140 00:05:00,663 --> 00:05:03,706 And I want us to do one other thing before we get to Apple earnings 141 00:05:03,706 --> 00:05:06,169 and Apple vision pro. We did get a shout out from Mr. 142 00:05:06,169 --> 00:05:07,971 Neelai Patel from the Verge cast. 143 00:05:07,971 --> 00:05:12,576 I posted a clip of our Brendan Carr segment in last week's episode and 144 00:05:12,576 --> 00:05:14,788 he and David Pierce, they were nice enough to re share it. 145 00:05:14,788 --> 00:05:21,495 And so the B C I A D C U the Brendan Carr is a dummy cinematic universe 146 00:05:21,495 --> 00:05:22,495 is expanding. 147 00:05:22,315 --> 00:05:23,496 I think it's podcast universe, 148 00:05:23,496 --> 00:05:27,950 but close enough. The the Brendan Carr is a dummy P.U. 149 00:05:24,525 --> 00:05:26,394 You know, podcast users, that's right. 150 00:05:27,950 --> 00:05:31,943 That's how this should work. 151 00:05:29,331 --> 00:05:31,232 There you go. Perfect. That's perfect. 152 00:05:32,073 --> 00:05:36,015 That's it. All right. So Apple had their earnings right after last week's episode 153 00:05:36,095 --> 00:05:41,668 published and ~ can I just I'm sorry one piece of housekeeping because we've 154 00:05:41,668 --> 00:05:42,788 had a lot of people supporting the show, 155 00:05:42,788 --> 00:05:46,760 which we really appreciate and there is some just a bit of clarity. 156 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,261 Unfortunately, in Apple podcasts, 157 00:05:49,261 --> 00:05:54,484 if you subscribe to the show, there is no video because Apple podcast does 158 00:05:54,484 --> 00:05:56,645 not have video for subscribers. 159 00:05:56,645 --> 00:05:57,806 So 160 00:05:58,784 --> 00:06:01,856 Don't subscribe for like video without ads. 161 00:06:01,856 --> 00:06:04,777 I'm sorry. That's not a thing that exists because Apple doesn't make that possible. 162 00:06:04,777 --> 00:06:08,460 And also remember if you're watching and you really miss chapters, 163 00:06:08,460 --> 00:06:11,641 there's timestamps in the description in Apple podcasts that you can tap 164 00:06:11,641 --> 00:06:15,193 and jump to a chapter. If you listen with any other app like podcast, 165 00:06:15,193 --> 00:06:19,256 overcast, there are chapters like normal even for the free version. 166 00:06:19,256 --> 00:06:21,937 So I just want to point that out there because we have people supporting 167 00:06:21,937 --> 00:06:22,937 the show and they're like, hey, 168 00:06:22,788 --> 00:06:24,449 I signed up. Where can I get the video? 169 00:06:24,449 --> 00:06:26,430 I'm sorry. That doesn't exist yet. 170 00:06:25,578 --> 00:06:26,578 And we have people who are 171 00:06:26,459 --> 00:06:29,081 super mad that we're apparently gatekeeping chapters, 172 00:06:29,081 --> 00:06:33,244 which is just not a thing. No one in the universe loves chapters more than Stephen. 173 00:06:29,548 --> 00:06:31,229 we're not. Not a thing. 174 00:06:33,244 --> 00:06:36,506 If he could give them to you, he would just mail them to you with a T-shirt 175 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:34,960 love them. 176 00:06:36,153 --> 00:06:43,061 I would. ~ you give you ideas now. 177 00:06:36,506 --> 00:06:39,629 and a pin like it's like without question. 178 00:06:39,629 --> 00:06:42,931 I'm giving him ideas that are going to be really expensive. 179 00:06:42,931 --> 00:06:44,593 We need a shirt with chapters. 180 00:06:43,061 --> 00:06:44,061 that's pretty good. 181 00:06:44,593 --> 00:06:51,398 I'll write it down. Don't I got it. 182 00:06:46,088 --> 00:06:48,484 Hold on. I gotta pause the show. 183 00:06:48,484 --> 00:06:50,869 Hold on. Yeah, write it down. Thank you. 184 00:06:50,869 --> 00:06:51,869 A shirt 185 00:06:51,451 --> 00:06:53,155 with chapters. Can I be honest, 186 00:06:53,155 --> 00:06:55,942 Jason? I've never gotten a tattoo in my life. 187 00:06:57,430 --> 00:07:00,850 Okay. On your butt you have no tattoos. 188 00:06:58,092 --> 00:07:01,243 But. No, no, no, no, no, 189 00:07:00,850 --> 00:07:01,850 Okay. 190 00:07:01,243 --> 00:07:02,243 no, 191 00:07:01,453 --> 00:07:04,024 but, but I keep seeing the polar bear, 192 00:07:04,024 --> 00:07:06,883 the medieval knight riding the polar bear and like our unofficial logo. 193 00:07:06,883 --> 00:07:09,266 And I'm like, if I ever were to get a tattoo, 194 00:07:09,266 --> 00:07:11,847 I feel like this would probably be it. 195 00:07:11,847 --> 00:07:14,288 don't know. Can I ask you personal question? 196 00:07:12,418 --> 00:07:16,321 Okay. I don't have any tattoos if that's the question. 197 00:07:14,288 --> 00:07:17,949 Okay. I was just curious. I was just curious. 198 00:07:16,321 --> 00:07:19,503 And if I 199 00:07:17,949 --> 00:07:19,530 Just curious. I don't know. 200 00:07:19,503 --> 00:07:21,905 ever get a tattoo, it'll probably be, 201 00:07:21,905 --> 00:07:23,526 no, I'm not gonna get a tattoo probably. 202 00:07:23,078 --> 00:07:24,078 We can get 203 00:07:23,618 --> 00:07:26,910 matching medieval knights riding a polar bear Jason's not gonna get it. 204 00:07:26,166 --> 00:07:30,142 That's not gonna happen. I won't even wear my Vision Pro on an airplane. 205 00:07:26,910 --> 00:07:32,270 He's not gonna do it. Anyway, let's talk about Apple And you're gonna 206 00:07:30,142 --> 00:07:31,413 I'm not getting a tattoo of that. 207 00:07:32,270 --> 00:07:36,576 be riding like 18 airplanes in the next two months Jason Please you 208 00:07:34,378 --> 00:07:35,787 I might take it. We'll see. 209 00:07:36,576 --> 00:07:40,808 say that every time actually take it take the vision Pro. 210 00:07:40,808 --> 00:07:41,808 There's 211 00:07:41,451 --> 00:07:42,451 I travel 212 00:07:42,013 --> 00:07:44,821 really light to be fair. That's the part of the reason why. 213 00:07:45,025 --> 00:07:46,405 The Vision Pro is very light, Jason. 214 00:07:46,405 --> 00:07:48,545 It barely weighs anything. That's a lie. 215 00:07:47,818 --> 00:07:50,448 Yes, but it takes up like this much space. 216 00:07:48,545 --> 00:07:51,465 It takes up a lot of space, too. 217 00:07:50,448 --> 00:07:51,764 Anyway. 218 00:07:51,465 --> 00:07:53,825 lot of space. All right, we're going to talk about the Vision Pro in a second. 219 00:07:53,825 --> 00:07:56,165 But first, Apple earnings came out after last week. 220 00:07:56,165 --> 00:08:00,685 It was their second record second quarter earnings for Apple, 221 00:08:00,685 --> 00:08:04,405 $111.2 billion in revenue. 222 00:08:04,405 --> 00:08:06,125 So again, best second quarter ever. 223 00:08:06,125 --> 00:08:09,405 iPhone, still 51 % of Apple's revenue. 224 00:08:09,405 --> 00:08:10,405 You can see I'm going to link. 225 00:08:10,677 --> 00:08:12,209 Six colors article with Jason Snell. 226 00:08:12,209 --> 00:08:16,032 They all have all the pretty graphs talking about where the revenue and profit is. 227 00:08:16,032 --> 00:08:18,004 You can see gross margin going up. 228 00:08:18,004 --> 00:08:22,228 You also see services revenue on that upward trajectory. 229 00:08:22,228 --> 00:08:25,211 Not a hockey stick, but it is going up every quarter. 230 00:08:25,211 --> 00:08:27,433 And of course the products and services. 231 00:08:27,433 --> 00:08:32,338 And there's one product really setting apart of these quarters from past years, 232 00:08:32,338 --> 00:08:35,141 which is the iPhone 17 Pro. That's like a big one. 233 00:08:35,682 --> 00:08:37,623 Yeah, I mean, it's like the most popular iPhone ever. 234 00:08:37,623 --> 00:08:41,464 And it's, you know, it's I guess it's the orange. 235 00:08:38,411 --> 00:08:39,411 really is. 236 00:08:41,464 --> 00:08:43,845 mean, I didn't love it. I didn't love the orange. 237 00:08:43,845 --> 00:08:46,866 Although I do have a water bottle that's basically the same orange and that's fine. 238 00:08:46,866 --> 00:08:49,518 But ~ yeah, it was a big deal. 239 00:08:47,241 --> 00:08:48,241 interesting. 240 00:08:49,518 --> 00:08:53,289 John Ternes made an appearance his first time on a earnings call. 241 00:08:51,190 --> 00:08:52,190 Yes? 242 00:08:53,289 --> 00:08:55,610 And he's basically like, hang on, 243 00:08:55,610 --> 00:08:59,512 BRB, just chill, you know, get this up or whatever. 244 00:08:59,512 --> 00:09:03,187 think that I don't think this will be the last ~ earnings call because 245 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:00,679 I'm not official yet. 246 00:09:03,187 --> 00:09:05,154 I think the next call will be. 247 00:09:06,188 --> 00:09:09,349 Tim Cook's last one. And so but yeah, 248 00:09:06,433 --> 00:09:07,433 Still Tim Cook. 249 00:09:09,349 --> 00:09:11,650 everything is going up. That's a good thing. 250 00:09:11,650 --> 00:09:13,201 There was a couple interesting things. 251 00:09:13,201 --> 00:09:18,604 One, you know, they they basically were I think the reason Ternus was there 252 00:09:18,604 --> 00:09:22,424 is to give people who care about the stock like a little bit of assurance like, 253 00:09:22,424 --> 00:09:23,656 here's the guy. Meet the new guy. 254 00:09:23,656 --> 00:09:26,207 He'll be back. He just wants you to get a feel for him. 255 00:09:26,207 --> 00:09:27,738 See everything is going to be basically the same. 256 00:09:27,738 --> 00:09:30,579 It's like Tim and Tim extended version. 257 00:09:30,579 --> 00:09:32,470 Tim plus Max, whatever, you know. 258 00:09:31,968 --> 00:09:32,968 Tim Plus 259 00:09:32,620 --> 00:09:33,620 Max. 260 00:09:32,735 --> 00:09:33,735 So we just want you 261 00:09:33,536 --> 00:09:35,958 to know what's coming down the pike and things aren't going to change 262 00:09:35,958 --> 00:09:40,691 a ton except there are a couple things one is like It sounds like they're going 263 00:09:40,691 --> 00:09:43,395 to start holding on to cash again There was a period of time when Apple 264 00:09:43,137 --> 00:09:44,137 Hmm. 265 00:09:43,395 --> 00:09:47,449 had like more cash than all of the world's governments or something like that 266 00:09:47,242 --> 00:09:48,242 Yes, I'm crazy. 267 00:09:47,449 --> 00:09:49,451 It was ridiculous now that's now that's Berkshire Hathaway, 268 00:09:49,451 --> 00:09:52,323 which literally has 300 billion dollars of cash sitting in a pile somewhere 269 00:09:52,323 --> 00:09:56,017 and Warren Buffett's backyard I guess don't go to Omaha looking for it's 270 00:09:54,305 --> 00:09:55,305 Peace. 271 00:09:56,017 --> 00:09:57,218 not there anyway, but 272 00:09:57,852 --> 00:10:01,174 He they would basically they started giving all the cash back 273 00:10:01,174 --> 00:10:04,056 to the shareholders doing buybacks and dividends and stuff. 274 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:04,679 Right. 275 00:10:04,056 --> 00:10:08,099 And they've said we're going to continue to do the dividends and buybacks. 276 00:10:08,099 --> 00:10:11,872 But we are going to start holding on to cash a little bit more in excess 277 00:10:11,872 --> 00:10:13,413 of the amount of our debt, because, 278 00:10:13,413 --> 00:10:16,435 well, really, they're like probably pretty bummed they couldn't 279 00:10:16,435 --> 00:10:17,896 buy Anthropic when they wanted to, 280 00:10:17,896 --> 00:10:20,458 like because they just didn't have that much cash sitting around. 281 00:10:18,152 --> 00:10:19,152 Mmm. 282 00:10:20,458 --> 00:10:22,399 Actually, Apple didn't need the cash to buy in topic. 283 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:23,960 Let's be honest. There's a lot of ways they can do this. 284 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,542 But I think that John Turner's probably wants 285 00:10:27,062 --> 00:10:29,423 the flexibility for that. And then the other thing that was interesting 286 00:10:29,423 --> 00:10:30,524 is they talked about the tariffs. 287 00:10:30,524 --> 00:10:37,088 And basically, Apple said, if we get money back for the tariffs, 288 00:10:31,349 --> 00:10:32,349 Yes. 289 00:10:37,088 --> 00:10:40,470 we will spend it, we will add it to our investment in the US, 290 00:10:40,470 --> 00:10:42,461 which is actually a brilliant way of saying this, 291 00:10:42,461 --> 00:10:45,512 because they're able to address Wall Street, 292 00:10:45,512 --> 00:10:49,545 who cares very much about Apple getting money back right in Apple didn't pass 293 00:10:49,545 --> 00:10:51,456 the cost of tariffs on to consumers, 294 00:10:51,456 --> 00:10:53,877 right? They didn't raise price specifically because of tariffs, 295 00:10:51,584 --> 00:10:52,584 Right. 296 00:10:53,877 --> 00:10:55,358 it just got harder to get stuff. 297 00:10:56,362 --> 00:10:59,254 And so they don't have to give refunds to people if that happens. 298 00:10:59,254 --> 00:11:00,876 But they're like, if we get the money back, 299 00:11:00,876 --> 00:11:03,648 we're just going to add it on to our RD, 300 00:11:03,648 --> 00:11:05,320 which is which is fine, right? 301 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,192 Like they're going to just can make it just makes them look very good. 302 00:11:08,192 --> 00:11:11,775 So if anybody's wondering what Apple is going to do if they get a bunch 303 00:11:11,775 --> 00:11:14,917 of money back for tariffs, you're not they're not sending us checks. 304 00:11:14,917 --> 00:11:17,119 We'll talk about the check they might send you later. 305 00:11:16,342 --> 00:11:17,692 You might get a check. Yeah, that's right. 306 00:11:17,119 --> 00:11:18,681 But it's not because of tariffs. 307 00:11:17,692 --> 00:11:19,523 Yeah. That's right. 308 00:11:18,681 --> 00:11:20,212 And so so anyway. 309 00:11:20,703 --> 00:11:21,933 That was good. And I wanted to, 310 00:11:21,933 --> 00:11:25,384 I wanted to share this chart. This is from MG Siegler, 311 00:11:25,384 --> 00:11:31,406 his website, spyglass.org. And it's showing the capital expenditure of Apple, 312 00:11:31,406 --> 00:11:33,606 Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and Meta. 313 00:11:33,606 --> 00:11:38,997 And capital expenditure is things not directly related to like products. 314 00:11:38,997 --> 00:11:43,048 So it might be a data center. They might be investing in R and D like 315 00:11:43,048 --> 00:11:45,029 for Apple that could have been the car project, 316 00:11:45,029 --> 00:11:46,029 things like that. 317 00:11:46,145 --> 00:11:48,285 And as you can see this chart, 318 00:11:48,285 --> 00:11:52,625 if you're listening, I'll put this as the chapter art so you could kind of see it. 319 00:11:52,625 --> 00:11:58,425 Every company, once AI started going big around 2022, 320 00:11:58,425 --> 00:12:04,085 every company ramped up their spending for capital expenditure except Apple. 321 00:12:04,085 --> 00:12:08,465 And you could just see the bar graphs going way up for all the other companies. 322 00:12:08,465 --> 00:12:13,345 And Apple actually spent less on capital expenditure this year than last year. 323 00:12:13,345 --> 00:12:15,325 And it's just Apple's not about that, 324 00:12:15,325 --> 00:12:16,325 which... 325 00:12:15,925 --> 00:12:18,370 You could say, maybe if they had spent a little more, 326 00:12:18,370 --> 00:12:19,773 Apple Intelligence might be a little better. 327 00:12:19,773 --> 00:12:23,100 ~ But I don't know. You know, I don't know what amount of money you throw 328 00:12:23,100 --> 00:12:26,387 at a thing makes it better, per se. 329 00:12:26,387 --> 00:12:27,387 But. 330 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:27,559 I mean, it's that 331 00:12:27,179 --> 00:12:28,260 you got the graph right there. 332 00:12:28,260 --> 00:12:30,691 The amount of money you have to throw at this thing to make it better 333 00:12:30,691 --> 00:12:33,032 is so far beyond what Apple would be willing to do. 334 00:12:33,032 --> 00:12:38,014 And Apple can't go from spending 11 billion to what Amazon said 200 billion. 335 00:12:38,014 --> 00:12:39,555 Like you can't like seriously, 336 00:12:38,401 --> 00:12:39,401 Yeah. 337 00:12:39,555 --> 00:12:41,696 you know what that would have done to the stock if Apple 338 00:12:41,696 --> 00:12:43,366 had automatically done that, even if they're like, 339 00:12:43,307 --> 00:12:44,307 That's 340 00:12:43,366 --> 00:12:47,318 well, well, we promise it's going to pay off 12 years into the future or whatever. 341 00:12:46,366 --> 00:12:47,366 Maybe. 342 00:12:47,318 --> 00:12:49,469 No, there's just no way that they could do that. 343 00:12:49,469 --> 00:12:51,540 And I mean, yeah, I don't know. 344 00:12:51,540 --> 00:12:54,101 I don't know if Apple it's hard to say if Apple's behind. 345 00:12:54,355 --> 00:12:57,648 or if Apple's really, really smart and just letting everybody else, 346 00:12:57,648 --> 00:12:59,169 you know, spend all this money. 347 00:12:59,169 --> 00:13:00,970 And if this is a bubble that bursts, 348 00:13:00,970 --> 00:13:04,703 all that money they're going to have that they didn't spend on those things, 349 00:13:04,703 --> 00:13:06,034 they're going to just start buying them up. 350 00:13:06,034 --> 00:13:07,896 Like it'll be it's like the perfect play. 351 00:13:07,489 --> 00:13:09,329 That's true. It'd be just a sale. 352 00:13:07,896 --> 00:13:09,237 Just wait for the bubble to burst. 353 00:13:09,769 --> 00:13:11,169 Yeah, it'd just be a flash sale. 354 00:13:11,169 --> 00:13:13,689 And there were rumors this past week that, 355 00:13:13,689 --> 00:13:16,129 you know, in iOS 27, the voice assistant, 356 00:13:16,129 --> 00:13:18,069 you'll be able to choose from ChatGPT, 357 00:13:18,069 --> 00:13:22,069 Claude, or Gemini, that all three of those extensions might be available, 358 00:13:22,069 --> 00:13:26,129 just built into iOS 27. We know that they have a deal with Gemini, 359 00:13:26,129 --> 00:13:28,369 that that will be coming. That deal, 360 00:13:28,369 --> 00:13:33,009 it might be that Gemini is like on private cloud compute or whatever, 361 00:13:33,009 --> 00:13:35,237 and part of the models of Gemini are... 362 00:13:35,625 --> 00:13:39,189 It's not exactly Gemini, it's like an apple flavored Gemini and apple's gonna 363 00:13:39,189 --> 00:13:40,531 do some sauce to it or whatever. 364 00:13:40,531 --> 00:13:43,324 But they might also put Claude in there and like honestly, 365 00:13:43,324 --> 00:13:47,589 that'd be pretty sweet. I Xcode already has ChatGPT or Claude and 366 00:13:47,589 --> 00:13:49,281 you can literally just log in with your account. 367 00:13:49,281 --> 00:13:54,126 You can have Claude Agent running in Xcode and it'd be nice to see that in iOS 27. 368 00:13:54,126 --> 00:13:55,698 So we'll see, that was Ruminations. 369 00:13:54,997 --> 00:13:55,997 Don't you think though the 370 00:13:55,768 --> 00:13:58,992 bet the promise though here for like the approach for Apple in 371 00:13:58,992 --> 00:14:04,249 the best case scenario is that you just never have to think about it like. 372 00:14:04,509 --> 00:14:08,091 I don't know that they want an AI assistant with a ton of little fiddly knobs 373 00:14:08,091 --> 00:14:10,572 and you have to decide who you're providing like all that kind of stuff. 374 00:14:10,572 --> 00:14:13,834 And as someone who has been thinking very hard about like how you build this into 375 00:14:13,834 --> 00:14:17,045 an app, like it's it gets very complicated if you're like, 376 00:14:17,045 --> 00:14:19,752 well, you have to log into your account for this thing. 377 00:14:19,752 --> 00:14:21,067 And or if you get a different experience, 378 00:14:21,067 --> 00:14:24,589 if you don't have this account or what if the assistant like they just need Siri 379 00:14:24,589 --> 00:14:26,770 to be good and however they do that is fine. 380 00:14:26,770 --> 00:14:28,901 And you shouldn't ever have to think about 381 00:14:29,704 --> 00:14:31,148 Yeah, but I think they could also do both, 382 00:14:31,148 --> 00:14:34,398 kind of how they do now, where you can ask the voice assistant... 383 00:14:34,283 --> 00:14:35,283 Hold on, I hope 384 00:14:34,807 --> 00:14:37,395 they do nothing kind of like they do now when it comes to this. 385 00:14:36,926 --> 00:14:37,926 Well, no, what I'm 386 00:14:37,636 --> 00:14:41,268 going to say is you can ask the voice assistant and it will figure 387 00:14:41,268 --> 00:14:43,299 out whether it can handle it, spoiler, 388 00:14:43,299 --> 00:14:48,201 it can't, and give it over to ChatGPT or just do the thing. 389 00:14:48,201 --> 00:14:52,812 And so maybe once they put Gemini and whatever servers that powering 390 00:14:52,812 --> 00:14:55,684 the voice assistant, it just can do the things at the first request. 391 00:14:55,684 --> 00:15:00,396 But then also in the little fiddly Apple intelligence settings pane where most 392 00:15:00,396 --> 00:15:02,846 people won't go, but those of us who want it, 393 00:15:02,846 --> 00:15:06,348 you can have like the Claw, ChatGPT and Gemini. 394 00:15:06,706 --> 00:15:12,120 Sign-ins if you want to have that and then maybe in shortcuts There'll 395 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,353 be some actions where you can choose whatever model you want and that could 396 00:15:16,353 --> 00:15:18,954 be the fiddly part and Apple doesn't have to most people don't have 397 00:15:18,954 --> 00:15:21,466 to know about that They could just watch my videos on YouTube and I'll explain 398 00:15:21,466 --> 00:15:22,867 it to them. You know what I mean? 399 00:15:22,273 --> 00:15:23,818 Perfect. Perfect. 400 00:15:22,867 --> 00:15:27,510 All right, so vision pro there was this article that came out again after last 401 00:15:27,510 --> 00:15:33,574 week's show from Mac rumors claiming that Apple has given up on the vision 402 00:15:33,574 --> 00:15:36,336 pro after the m5 refresh flop 403 00:15:36,917 --> 00:15:38,338 given up are some strong words. 404 00:15:38,338 --> 00:15:41,060 And it was not a super long article, 405 00:15:41,060 --> 00:15:45,824 nor was it directly sourced. It was just saying that apparently Apple 406 00:15:45,824 --> 00:15:48,796 has stopped working on the Vision Pro and the Vision Pro team 407 00:15:48,796 --> 00:15:52,249 has been redistributed to other teams within Apple. 408 00:15:52,249 --> 00:15:54,621 And so the MacRumors article was making it seem like, 409 00:15:54,621 --> 00:15:56,913 whoa, they just broke up the team and like it's dead, 410 00:15:56,913 --> 00:15:59,665 like dead on arrival or on whatever. 411 00:15:59,665 --> 00:16:05,680 And so it felt weird. It also felt very final with not having much sourcing. 412 00:16:06,068 --> 00:16:10,090 And we haven't heard something like this from Gurman specifically. 413 00:16:10,090 --> 00:16:13,851 But then John Gruber wrote at Daring Fireball, 414 00:16:13,851 --> 00:16:19,283 like, ~ probably not. Like the Vision Pro team was already split off into like 415 00:16:19,283 --> 00:16:23,085 the Vision Product Group and another technology development group. 416 00:16:23,085 --> 00:16:26,656 so saying the Vision Pro team was just kind of like broken up and put other places. 417 00:16:26,656 --> 00:16:29,958 It's like, well, they were split up into similar groups, 418 00:16:29,958 --> 00:16:32,349 still about Vision and maybe AR, 419 00:16:32,349 --> 00:16:35,220 VR type devices. And as far as 420 00:16:35,732 --> 00:16:41,354 John Gruber knows from his contacts that they are still working on vision devices. 421 00:16:41,354 --> 00:16:44,436 It just might not be the Vision Pro that we know it today. 422 00:16:44,436 --> 00:16:48,167 And so Gruber was saying they are still working on immersive style devices where 423 00:16:48,167 --> 00:16:51,058 it would be full on headsets, maybe it's cheaper headsets, 424 00:16:51,058 --> 00:16:53,740 maybe it's something just very different from the Vision Pro we see today, 425 00:16:53,740 --> 00:16:57,561 and also maybe like AR glasses and things like that. 426 00:16:57,561 --> 00:17:02,653 I don't think the Vision Pro is dead as much as that MacRumors article seemed 427 00:17:02,653 --> 00:17:04,324 to imply. It's just going to be different. 428 00:17:05,129 --> 00:17:09,380 Yeah, this just sort of feels like someone got reassigned and told someone else 429 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,440 Which makes sense. 430 00:17:09,380 --> 00:17:11,880 about they got reassigned and that person told someone and they're like, 431 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,522 my gosh, everyone from the team is leaving and there's no more vision pros. 432 00:17:14,522 --> 00:17:17,852 Like there's a lot of leaps and assumptions you have to make just from 433 00:17:17,852 --> 00:17:21,013 one piece of information. And even in the Mac rumors article, 434 00:17:21,013 --> 00:17:24,314 I feel like they may, and I think Rupert points this out. 435 00:17:24,314 --> 00:17:28,765 It's like they made, it's apparently stopped work on the vision pro and 436 00:17:28,765 --> 00:17:34,057 the team has been redistributed to other teams with an Apple apparently stopped work 437 00:17:34,057 --> 00:17:35,057 like 438 00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:38,491 there's no report that that's actually happened other than Mike Rockwell 439 00:17:37,252 --> 00:17:38,252 Right. 440 00:17:38,491 --> 00:17:40,111 has been moved to a different team, 441 00:17:40,111 --> 00:17:42,922 like whatever, right? And so I don't know, 442 00:17:42,922 --> 00:17:47,223 I just think that it's also think it doesn't really matter because 443 00:17:47,223 --> 00:17:50,064 I think we've already reached the point where the vision pro was not going 444 00:17:50,064 --> 00:17:51,594 to be the next platform of computing. 445 00:17:51,594 --> 00:17:54,035 Like it's fine. Like even if AI had not come around, 446 00:17:54,035 --> 00:17:56,835 I just don't think this was going to be the thing. 447 00:17:56,835 --> 00:18:01,436 ~ But I think that I think it's probably entirely true that the people 448 00:18:01,436 --> 00:18:03,507 who were working on headset 449 00:18:03,965 --> 00:18:07,191 might now be working on glasses or something else. 450 00:18:04,125 --> 00:18:05,125 Right. 451 00:18:07,191 --> 00:18:10,447 But I think we knew that was always going to be like the vision pro 452 00:18:10,447 --> 00:18:14,555 was always meant to be filling a gap between your phone and whatever 453 00:18:14,555 --> 00:18:16,649 the long term thing was going to be. 454 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:16,520 glasses. 455 00:18:17,060 --> 00:18:21,740 Yeah, and I think it's also clear the Vision Pro is not selling like hotcakes, 456 00:18:21,740 --> 00:18:25,420 as they say. You know, it is not a high selling device, 457 00:18:25,420 --> 00:18:31,460 but they're not like totally doing away with any kind of vision device development, 458 00:18:31,460 --> 00:18:33,420 is basically what saying. So anyway, 459 00:18:31,563 --> 00:18:32,563 Sure. 460 00:18:33,420 --> 00:18:34,420 yeah, that felt a little weird. 461 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,980 don't think Vision Pro is dead yet. 462 00:18:35,980 --> 00:18:37,780 Do you still use it pretty often? 463 00:18:37,780 --> 00:18:39,980 Really? That's pretty good. 464 00:18:37,798 --> 00:18:39,997 all the time. Yeah, I was trying to figure 465 00:18:39,997 --> 00:18:41,929 out how to make a Vision Pro app for my app. 466 00:18:41,929 --> 00:18:44,176 I'm probably not going to. 467 00:18:44,542 --> 00:18:45,542 Yeah, 468 00:18:44,722 --> 00:18:48,305 I was gonna say. But, I think I might try to make a Vision Pro app, 469 00:18:48,305 --> 00:18:52,198 we'll see. I think my app would lend itself to Vision Pro. 470 00:18:52,198 --> 00:18:57,683 We'll talk about it. Anyway, the RAMpocalypse is coming for all. 471 00:18:57,683 --> 00:18:59,945 And it has now come from MacStudio. 472 00:18:59,945 --> 00:19:03,228 If you were trying to get a MacStudio with a ton of RAM, 473 00:19:03,228 --> 00:19:09,263 the M3 Ultra now only has the 96GB of RAM configuration. 474 00:19:09,263 --> 00:19:11,795 You used to be able to get it up to like the 512GB. 475 00:19:13,473 --> 00:19:15,635 There was the 256, they're all gone. 476 00:19:15,635 --> 00:19:18,907 And now you can only have, there's only one RAM configuration. 477 00:19:18,907 --> 00:19:23,931 This is the shortage. This is because TSMC is making all the stuff 478 00:19:23,931 --> 00:19:26,152 for Nvidia and we're gonna talk about data centers in a little bit, 479 00:19:26,152 --> 00:19:29,605 which sounds boring, but it's actually gonna be a pretty wild segment. 480 00:19:29,605 --> 00:19:33,558 ~ But I mean, this is the RAMpocalypse. 481 00:19:33,558 --> 00:19:35,640 It's coming, and you know, there was also the news, 482 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:36,900 I think it came after last week's episode, 483 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:40,233 but like the base Mac mini is no longer available. 484 00:19:40,705 --> 00:19:43,125 So like, if you go to apple.com slash Mac, 485 00:19:43,125 --> 00:19:46,345 there used to be a 599 Mac mini option, 486 00:19:46,345 --> 00:19:48,625 and that option no longer exists. 487 00:19:48,625 --> 00:19:51,085 I was curious if they changed actually this main page on the website. 488 00:19:51,085 --> 00:19:56,005 Yeah, now it says from 799. And that used to say from 599, 489 00:19:56,005 --> 00:19:59,385 because the lowest RAM you can get is, 490 00:19:59,385 --> 00:20:02,565 or the lowest memory storage, I'm sorry, 491 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,825 Storage, right, it's the storage. 492 00:20:02,565 --> 00:20:07,285 that's what it was. It used to come with 256 gigabytes of SSD storage standard. 493 00:20:07,285 --> 00:20:09,785 Now the base is 512. 494 00:20:10,272 --> 00:20:12,633 ~ But on the Mac Studio, let's see, 495 00:20:12,633 --> 00:20:17,576 there was one Mac Studio on like B &H with like all the RAM and it was like 496 00:20:17,812 --> 00:20:21,349 14 grand and I don't know why but I was tempted to get it but I did 497 00:20:21,349 --> 00:20:23,580 not get it because that would have been absolutely insane. 498 00:20:23,712 --> 00:20:26,131 go really good with that video streaming device you have. 499 00:20:27,477 --> 00:20:29,979 Exactly. So if you get an M3 Ultra, 500 00:20:29,979 --> 00:20:36,344 there is one memory option. That looks crazy on this site. 501 00:20:36,344 --> 00:20:40,047 This is Apple StorePage. If you go with the M4 Max, 502 00:20:40,047 --> 00:20:43,911 you only get 64 or 96 gigabytes of RAM. 503 00:20:43,911 --> 00:20:45,552 That's it. That's all you get. 504 00:20:45,552 --> 00:20:51,247 man. Can be honest? I mean, I was not some kind of like a futurist when 505 00:20:51,247 --> 00:20:54,960 I bought my Mac Studio, but now I'm kind of glad I got my Mac Studio when I did. 506 00:20:55,412 --> 00:20:58,451 because I got the 128 gigabyte RAM version. 507 00:20:58,451 --> 00:21:01,008 So I have more RAM than you can buy new now. 508 00:21:01,008 --> 00:21:02,172 That's crazy. 509 00:21:02,314 --> 00:21:04,345 Do we think that this is gonna continue? 510 00:21:04,345 --> 00:21:06,766 like when they do, well, two questions. 511 00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:10,687 Do we think that there's M5 versions of these two devices coming soon? 512 00:21:07,134 --> 00:21:08,134 Yes. 513 00:21:10,687 --> 00:21:12,788 That's first question. Second question, 514 00:21:12,788 --> 00:21:17,010 when those devices come, do you think that there will still be a long delay 515 00:21:17,010 --> 00:21:21,622 to get things? So is this A, we just aren't gonna continue making M4 things until 516 00:21:21,622 --> 00:21:23,663 we don't, we only have certain configurations left, 517 00:21:23,663 --> 00:21:26,854 we're only gonna sell those and it's not cost effective. 518 00:21:26,854 --> 00:21:31,576 And reducing them or lapping off the bottom means that 519 00:21:31,905 --> 00:21:33,665 Yeah, because the difference is what $200, 520 00:21:33,665 --> 00:21:35,726 but it does not cost Apple $200 to six, 521 00:21:35,726 --> 00:21:38,997 five, 12 instead of 256. So they're just increasing their margin on what they have 522 00:21:38,997 --> 00:21:42,548 left. They just want to only sell things that are going to make them more money. 523 00:21:42,548 --> 00:21:44,298 And actually they're not going to sell it to you. 524 00:21:44,298 --> 00:21:47,499 They will take your money and then you'll get an M5 when they'll ship. 525 00:21:47,499 --> 00:21:50,090 Like you're never going to get an M4 Pro Mac mini at this point. 526 00:21:50,090 --> 00:21:52,010 So do we think they're coming soon? 527 00:21:52,010 --> 00:21:55,191 And do we think that there'll be long delays once the M5 because 528 00:21:55,191 --> 00:21:59,142 the other M5 devices like the MacBook Pros seem to be shipping fine. 529 00:22:00,639 --> 00:22:05,659 That is true. So one of the things we didn't mention about on the earnings call, 530 00:22:05,659 --> 00:22:11,139 Tim Cook did talk about the memory crunch because he was asked about it. 531 00:22:11,139 --> 00:22:12,999 And I'll put this link to the CNBC article. 532 00:22:12,999 --> 00:22:19,539 But he said that we'll continue to evaluate this because this was Tim Cook saying, 533 00:22:19,539 --> 00:22:23,799 quote, we believe memory costs will drive an increasing impact on our business. 534 00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:28,119 Seems like going forward, it will have an impact. 535 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,479 I think 536 00:22:29,865 --> 00:22:34,199 two things. don't... I think if they launch an M5, 537 00:22:34,199 --> 00:22:38,843 MacStudio, and or Mac Mini, they want to offer it with as many configurations 538 00:22:38,843 --> 00:22:43,707 as they can. And it seems like right now in this moment that that's not feasible. 539 00:22:43,707 --> 00:22:48,411 Like I don't think they would have raised the Mac Mini price unless they had to. 540 00:22:48,411 --> 00:22:50,423 And I understand it's not raising the price, 541 00:22:50,423 --> 00:22:52,274 it was eliminating the bass configuration, 542 00:22:52,274 --> 00:22:53,274 but... 543 00:22:53,575 --> 00:22:55,306 And there's also a demand part of this, 544 00:22:55,306 --> 00:22:58,676 like everyone is wanting a Mac Mini and or Mac Studio to run their 545 00:22:58,676 --> 00:23:02,528 AI agents and stuff. So it is kind of this like dual pressure of there 546 00:23:02,528 --> 00:23:05,828 is the RAMpocalypse and there is people wanting a bunch of Mac Minis 547 00:23:05,828 --> 00:23:09,319 to run Claude Cowork or whatever and Claude Code. 548 00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:14,341 I think they are going to figure it out and then launch. 549 00:23:14,341 --> 00:23:17,782 So while an M5 might be ready now, 550 00:23:17,782 --> 00:23:21,303 I think the RAM thing is going to, 551 00:23:21,303 --> 00:23:22,483 they're going to wait. 552 00:23:22,816 --> 00:23:27,316 Like don't even think at WWDC we're gonna hear about an M5 MacStudio or Mac Mini. 553 00:23:27,316 --> 00:23:30,776 It'd be nice, because I know a lot of people like David Sparks of Mac, 554 00:23:30,776 --> 00:23:35,496 oh here's my ghost, he's wanting to buy a new MacStudio and he's waiting 555 00:23:35,496 --> 00:23:38,056 to see what happens. I think it'll be the fall. 556 00:23:38,056 --> 00:23:41,036 I think October, November they'll announce the M5. 557 00:23:41,036 --> 00:23:43,076 It'll be longer than they would've wanted to, 558 00:23:43,076 --> 00:23:46,576 but hopefully by then there'll be all the RAM options and people can 559 00:23:46,576 --> 00:23:50,236 get either 512 gigabytes of memory in their new MacStudio if they want it. 560 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:55,499 Because I don't think Apple wants to release an M5 Max and M5 Ultra 561 00:23:55,499 --> 00:23:58,245 Max Studio and then only offer 96 gigs of RAM. 562 00:23:58,558 --> 00:24:01,119 No, but you can get all the configurations in a MacBook Pro right now 563 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,481 and you can get 128 gigs in a MacBook Pro with an M5 Max right now. 564 00:24:04,481 --> 00:24:07,503 And those are available and you can actually walk into an Apple store 565 00:24:07,503 --> 00:24:09,884 and buy several, I just was checking several configurations. 566 00:24:09,884 --> 00:24:12,796 All of the base configurations of the M5, 567 00:24:12,796 --> 00:24:15,677 the M5 Pro and the M5 Max are available to be delivered tomorrow. 568 00:24:15,677 --> 00:24:18,919 So like it is not a shortage across the line. 569 00:24:16,926 --> 00:24:17,926 right. 570 00:24:18,919 --> 00:24:20,860 It is an M4 specific shortage, 571 00:24:20,860 --> 00:24:24,072 which, it's not even a RAM shortage because you can get a MacBook 572 00:24:24,072 --> 00:24:27,404 Pro with more memory than you can get on a Mac Studio. 573 00:24:27,732 --> 00:24:31,214 So I think that this is as much an end of life M4. 574 00:24:31,214 --> 00:24:32,805 They're phasing all the M4s out. 575 00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:39,269 It is too costly right now to get TSMC to be fabbing these chips that have 576 00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:41,591 the large amounts of memory on them because it's hard to get, 577 00:24:41,591 --> 00:24:43,812 so it's more expensive. But I just think it's also, 578 00:24:43,812 --> 00:24:45,887 like Apple's never gonna say, yeah, 579 00:24:45,887 --> 00:24:49,585 we're actually not gonna ever ship these devices anymore because we're about 580 00:24:49,585 --> 00:24:52,948 to release new ones. And I know there have been some rumors that the 581 00:24:52,948 --> 00:24:53,948 new ones might come in. 582 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,081 might not come until the fall, 583 00:24:55,081 --> 00:24:58,522 but I don't think it's tenable for Apple to continue with this happening. 584 00:24:58,522 --> 00:25:01,684 Also, Apple doesn't want to just not take people's money. 585 00:24:59,007 --> 00:25:00,007 That's true. 586 00:25:01,684 --> 00:25:06,676 They want to take your money and the M5 seems to 587 00:25:02,302 --> 00:25:03,302 Yeah. 588 00:25:06,676 --> 00:25:09,137 be available much more readily. 589 00:25:09,137 --> 00:25:11,889 Now there are couple of configurations of the MacBook Pro that are like 590 00:25:12,629 --> 00:25:14,590 two to three weeks delivery time, 591 00:25:14,048 --> 00:25:15,529 Which is not bad, it's not bad. 592 00:25:14,590 --> 00:25:16,501 but you're going to get it in two to three weeks. 593 00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:19,241 Yeah. 594 00:25:16,501 --> 00:25:18,532 You don't it's not like they're going to not ship it to you. 595 00:25:18,532 --> 00:25:19,532 So 596 00:25:19,241 --> 00:25:22,834 Could that also be though, so the MacBook M5 Pro and M5 Max MacBook Pro, 597 00:25:22,834 --> 00:25:24,235 those were available in March, 598 00:25:24,235 --> 00:25:28,498 so about two months ago they were available to purchase. 599 00:25:28,498 --> 00:25:32,340 Apple probably built many of those configurations or had the chips 600 00:25:32,620 --> 00:25:37,704 in hand before that, so couldn't it be they're still able to sell 601 00:25:38,004 --> 00:25:42,527 the chips and MacBook Pros they had as they were leading up to the launch? 602 00:25:42,825 --> 00:25:46,590 whereas they couldn't do that kind of preparatory work for a new Mac Studio, 603 00:25:46,590 --> 00:25:51,266 Mac Mini? Because if you order an M5 Max MacBook Pro right now, 604 00:25:51,266 --> 00:25:56,994 it's not like they're going to start building it in the factory tomorrow. 605 00:25:56,994 --> 00:25:59,597 That computer is probably already configured. 606 00:25:59,597 --> 00:26:00,879 It just has to get over here. 607 00:26:02,077 --> 00:26:03,508 they don't carry much inventory. 608 00:26:03,508 --> 00:26:07,642 I mean, that's the whole Tim Cook thing is the I mean, 609 00:26:04,307 --> 00:26:05,307 Really? Okay. 610 00:26:07,642 --> 00:26:09,843 they have inventory of like circuit boards and stuff. 611 00:26:09,843 --> 00:26:12,876 And I think they get a set. I don't understand all the intricacies of it. 612 00:26:12,876 --> 00:26:15,128 But Apple's whole thing is like zero inventory. 613 00:26:15,128 --> 00:26:18,901 They don't carry inventory. The true test is you can 614 00:26:18,901 --> 00:26:23,304 get basically every configuration you can possibly imagine from B and H 615 00:26:23,365 --> 00:26:25,917 of a MacBook Pro right now. And they're all in stock there, 616 00:26:25,917 --> 00:26:29,530 which tells you they have easy access to all of these things. 617 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:27,559 Hmm. 618 00:26:29,530 --> 00:26:31,031 And so all I'm trying to say is 619 00:26:29,864 --> 00:26:30,864 Okay. 620 00:26:31,985 --> 00:26:34,537 I don't think there's something unique about the Mac Mini and the 621 00:26:34,537 --> 00:26:38,070 Mac Studio except that they're still on the M4 and in some cases 622 00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:42,164 M3 generation chips and those are just no longer being made. 623 00:26:39,816 --> 00:26:40,816 right. 624 00:26:42,164 --> 00:26:44,075 They're no longer really available. 625 00:26:44,075 --> 00:26:46,848 I guess there's the iMac. What's the availability on an iMac? 626 00:26:46,848 --> 00:26:50,631 I think you can get any configuration of an iMac too. 627 00:26:47,423 --> 00:26:48,423 That's a question. 628 00:26:50,975 --> 00:26:53,395 But it's also the amounts of RAM. 629 00:26:53,395 --> 00:26:59,035 Because you can get a 96 gigabyte RAM MacStudio right now. 630 00:26:58,269 --> 00:27:01,039 Well, you can't. You can order it, 631 00:26:59,035 --> 00:27:02,495 Well, you can order it, but I'm saying like, 632 00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:02,211 but you're never going to get it. 633 00:27:02,495 --> 00:27:06,455 but it's the 128, 256, 512, those much higher, 634 00:27:06,455 --> 00:27:08,075 which are not available on the MacBook Pro. 635 00:27:08,075 --> 00:27:10,635 I think the most you can get on the MacBook Pro is 128, 636 00:27:08,927 --> 00:27:11,227 128 is available on M5 Max. 637 00:27:10,635 --> 00:27:13,935 but the 256, 512, they want to probably offer those tiers, 638 00:27:13,935 --> 00:27:16,135 because once that M5 MacStudio goes on sale, 639 00:27:16,135 --> 00:27:18,595 they want to be able to sell the most expensive model. 640 00:27:18,595 --> 00:27:19,855 And maybe there's an issue with that. 641 00:27:19,855 --> 00:27:20,855 I don't know. 642 00:27:21,019 --> 00:27:23,139 That's some speculation, but anyway. 643 00:27:21,694 --> 00:27:23,175 Yeah, I just think it has 644 00:27:23,175 --> 00:27:27,977 more to do because you can buy ~ an iMac maxed out right now and it'll come next 645 00:27:27,977 --> 00:27:29,728 week. And that's an M4 based thing. 646 00:27:29,728 --> 00:27:31,449 So I think it is just a function. 647 00:27:31,449 --> 00:27:34,060 I'm not saying the RAM shortage doesn't have anything to do with it. 648 00:27:34,060 --> 00:27:37,741 What I'm saying is it's a specific RAM shortage on chips that are basically 649 00:27:37,741 --> 00:27:40,974 end of life, not end of life, but like turning out of the cycle. 650 00:27:39,315 --> 00:27:41,899 But yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. 651 00:27:40,974 --> 00:27:43,365 And I feel like that's probably the thing here. 652 00:27:43,662 --> 00:27:45,024 And you can probably, and you can get an iPad, 653 00:27:45,024 --> 00:27:47,237 an M5 iPad Pro probably like tomorrow. 654 00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:48,799 Absolutely, you probably go get it today. 655 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:49,799 Just go to Best Buy. 656 00:27:49,415 --> 00:27:50,415 Yeah, 657 00:27:49,645 --> 00:27:50,796 she's got a best buy, that's all it is. 658 00:27:50,796 --> 00:27:54,659 All right, and speaking of money though that you might get from Apple, 659 00:27:53,916 --> 00:27:55,004 Speaking of money... 660 00:27:54,659 --> 00:27:57,862 speaking of money, Apple Intelligence. 661 00:27:57,862 --> 00:28:03,366 So there was a class action lawsuit where it was basically a false advertising type 662 00:28:03,366 --> 00:28:06,569 lawsuit because once the iPhone 16 launch, 663 00:28:06,569 --> 00:28:09,351 Apple really pushed Apple Intelligence super hard, 664 00:28:09,351 --> 00:28:13,084 so much so that they had put up videos on their YouTube channel with Bella Ramsey 665 00:28:13,084 --> 00:28:14,616 talking about Apple Intelligence features, 666 00:28:14,616 --> 00:28:16,397 took some of those videos down, 667 00:28:16,397 --> 00:28:18,559 specifically the personalized Siri type ones. 668 00:28:18,879 --> 00:28:20,319 And now this class action lawsuit, 669 00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:25,359 Apple has settled with $250 million saying that if you bought devices 670 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,899 in the period where they were advertising, 671 00:28:27,899 --> 00:28:30,339 this would be between June 10, 672 00:28:30,339 --> 00:28:33,799 2024 and March 29, 2025. 673 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:39,339 Those devices would have been the 15 Pro and Pro Max and the entire 16 lineup. 674 00:28:39,339 --> 00:28:40,739 If you bought any of those devices, 675 00:28:40,739 --> 00:28:45,659 you might be eligible. This is like one of those like medication commercials. 676 00:28:45,659 --> 00:28:47,999 Like you might be, you might be eligible for a pad. 677 00:28:49,093 --> 00:28:50,854 you might get money from Apple. 678 00:28:50,854 --> 00:28:54,246 The payout will be $25 per eligible device. 679 00:28:54,246 --> 00:28:56,545 The maximum payout might be $95, 680 00:28:56,545 --> 00:29:01,331 but it depends how many people file claims and want money from the device that they 681 00:29:01,331 --> 00:29:04,183 bought. So the more people want to make this claim, 682 00:29:04,183 --> 00:29:05,994 the less money everyone will get. 683 00:29:05,994 --> 00:29:10,277 But yeah, Apple's gonna have to pay out for false advertising 684 00:29:10,277 --> 00:29:14,130 for Apple Intelligence. And there's like two features specifically that 685 00:29:14,130 --> 00:29:18,553 was under this heading. And basically the personalized Siri was the big one. 686 00:29:18,975 --> 00:29:20,547 because there's actually videos on that, 687 00:29:20,547 --> 00:29:22,611 like on Apple's YouTube channel. 688 00:29:22,611 --> 00:29:26,777 There were commercials run on TV for that personalized cereal and they're gonna have 689 00:29:26,777 --> 00:29:30,594 to pay $250 million. It's not that much, 690 00:29:28,608 --> 00:29:30,168 They're paying nothing, Steven. 691 00:29:30,168 --> 00:29:31,668 Tim 692 00:29:30,594 --> 00:29:31,594 yeah, I know it's not that much. 693 00:29:31,668 --> 00:29:36,088 Cook could literally just write this off of his taxes personally. 694 00:29:36,088 --> 00:29:39,508 Like this is so nothing. Also, 695 00:29:39,508 --> 00:29:43,868 this paragraph is, the editor in me is dying here. 696 00:29:43,868 --> 00:29:46,168 I'm sorry, who wrote this 95 Mac article? 697 00:29:45,896 --> 00:29:47,483 It was Chance, it was Chance Miller. 698 00:29:46,168 --> 00:29:48,508 Is Chance, listen Chance, I think you're amazing. 699 00:29:48,508 --> 00:29:51,568 And I don't think this is your fault because I think this is the 700 00:29:51,568 --> 00:29:54,568 way it's been explained. The payout will be $25. 701 00:29:54,568 --> 00:29:57,528 But that number could vary. 702 00:29:58,023 --> 00:30:01,643 If a large number of people, it might be lower or the maximum is 95. 703 00:30:01,643 --> 00:30:05,826 Then what is the, no one knows what is the $25 even mean? 704 00:30:03,302 --> 00:30:04,565 I don't know the... yeah, yeah. 705 00:30:04,565 --> 00:30:07,794 It's like Schrodinger's payout. 706 00:30:05,826 --> 00:30:10,779 It's anything from $1 to $95 is what we're basically saying. 707 00:30:10,779 --> 00:30:12,049 Again, this is not Jance's fault, 708 00:30:11,304 --> 00:30:12,304 That's right. 709 00:30:12,049 --> 00:30:16,751 but I'm just like, and the $250 million settlement includes attorney's fees. 710 00:30:16,751 --> 00:30:19,122 This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. 711 00:30:17,138 --> 00:30:18,138 Right. 712 00:30:19,122 --> 00:30:22,674 Like no one bought one of those devices just because of the promises 713 00:30:22,674 --> 00:30:24,905 of Apple intelligence. Literally zero people. 714 00:30:25,385 --> 00:30:27,066 should be getting this money. if you, 715 00:30:27,066 --> 00:30:28,336 mean, whatever, get your money. 716 00:30:28,336 --> 00:30:32,858 I think it's fine. But it is so dumb because this is actually costing Apple nothing. 717 00:30:28,732 --> 00:30:29,808 Yeah, get the money, that's fine. 718 00:30:29,808 --> 00:30:30,808 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 719 00:30:32,858 --> 00:30:34,519 It is just a way for a bunch of, 720 00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:36,960 somebody saw those ads and was like, 721 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,461 this, I'm buying another house. 722 00:30:39,461 --> 00:30:42,292 I'm super buying another house because I'm going to find a bunch of people 723 00:30:42,292 --> 00:30:43,882 and I'm going to start a class action lawsuit. 724 00:30:43,882 --> 00:30:45,593 And I just think this whole thing is so dumb. 725 00:30:44,764 --> 00:30:45,764 Yeah. 726 00:30:45,956 --> 00:30:48,640 The lawyers are basically going to make more money than any individual user. 727 00:30:48,161 --> 00:30:50,639 Absolutely. They'll get a third of that. 728 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,775 yeah, there you go. Right, 729 00:30:51,775 --> 00:30:55,451 they're going right, exactly. So the lawyers found a way to make a bag and then, 730 00:30:55,451 --> 00:30:57,284 you know, that's that. 731 00:30:56,871 --> 00:30:57,871 And Apple's 732 00:30:57,342 --> 00:30:59,105 like, whatever for this amount of money. 733 00:30:59,105 --> 00:31:04,471 Will you just go away? We know Siri sucks just Because it sucks way more than 734 00:31:02,260 --> 00:31:03,719 That's exactly. 735 00:31:04,471 --> 00:31:06,467 250 million dollars bad like come on 736 00:31:06,878 --> 00:31:10,998 Yeah, exactly. 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You can just read about it. 820 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:34,473 But this data center is going to use twice as much energy 821 00:35:34,473 --> 00:35:36,855 as the entire state has been using. 822 00:35:37,551 --> 00:35:40,993 Okay? And there is much consternation because one, 823 00:35:40,993 --> 00:35:44,146 it's going to take up a huge amount of space or whatever. 824 00:35:44,146 --> 00:35:47,338 But the way this is going to be powered has been very contentious. 825 00:35:47,338 --> 00:35:52,391 There's been like videos on X and I'll actually link a couple posts that Quinn 826 00:35:52,391 --> 00:35:54,313 Nelson has been like commenting under. 827 00:35:54,313 --> 00:35:57,625 But they were going to vote, the commissioners were going to vote 828 00:35:57,625 --> 00:36:02,989 on this data center this past Monday and they had to delay it because just massive 829 00:36:02,989 --> 00:36:06,341 protests, people shouting down these meetings and the 830 00:36:06,511 --> 00:36:11,494 One of the biggest issues is the investors and those wanting to build 831 00:36:11,494 --> 00:36:15,026 the data center are saying it's going to be powered by different kinds of energy. 832 00:36:15,026 --> 00:36:19,708 It's going to be wind and solar and it's going to be cleaner-ish energy. 833 00:36:19,708 --> 00:36:22,250 And even Kevin O'Leary, which we'll get to in a second, 834 00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:24,851 who's I guess an investor in this data center, 835 00:36:24,851 --> 00:36:28,373 is talking about how it's going to be clean energy. 836 00:36:28,373 --> 00:36:34,887 But there's been several sources that say 100 % of the power will come from natural 837 00:36:34,887 --> 00:36:35,887 gas. 838 00:36:35,909 --> 00:36:38,351 And so that is going to create emissions. 839 00:36:38,351 --> 00:36:42,274 And again, using more power than the entire state of Utah. 840 00:36:42,274 --> 00:36:45,326 the equivalent is, I forget, 841 00:36:45,326 --> 00:36:47,077 I can't find the number exactly. 842 00:36:47,077 --> 00:36:51,961 Utah's annual average consumption is four gigawatts. 843 00:36:51,961 --> 00:36:56,645 And at full capacity, this data center will reach nine gigawatts of power. 844 00:36:56,645 --> 00:37:00,868 So more than double the amount of power that the entire state uses. 845 00:37:00,868 --> 00:37:02,439 And so Kevin O'Leary, 846 00:37:02,652 --> 00:37:04,093 He was like, if you're not familiar, 847 00:37:04,093 --> 00:37:05,765 he's Mr. Wonderful, quote unquote, 848 00:37:05,765 --> 00:37:09,147 on Shark Tank. And he posted this video on X. 849 00:37:09,147 --> 00:37:13,191 This is, again, ~ it feels very tone deaf. 850 00:37:13,191 --> 00:37:16,113 But he starts by saying, quote, 851 00:37:16,113 --> 00:37:22,068 this is his tweet, I'm the only developer of data centers on Earth that graduated 852 00:37:22,068 --> 00:37:26,482 from environmental studies. I'm pretty aware of what these concerns are. 853 00:37:26,482 --> 00:37:28,424 They are around air, water use, 854 00:37:28,424 --> 00:37:30,115 heat, noise pollution, and yada yada. 855 00:37:30,429 --> 00:37:31,830 And then he has this long video, 856 00:37:31,830 --> 00:37:33,731 it's like a minute, almost two minutes long. 857 00:37:33,731 --> 00:37:37,654 I don't know if he had no coaching or if he just didn't care. 858 00:37:37,654 --> 00:37:42,218 The whole video is weird because he's sitting in a car looking like off camera, 859 00:37:42,218 --> 00:37:43,859 like not once does he look at the camera, 860 00:37:43,859 --> 00:37:45,910 he's just like seemingly talking to the driver, 861 00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:49,013 I guess. And he's basically saying how everyone's making a big deal about this 862 00:37:49,013 --> 00:37:50,504 but nobody knows what they're talking about. 863 00:37:50,504 --> 00:37:55,827 The reader context, there's like multiple links to the Axios article 864 00:37:55,827 --> 00:37:57,799 and others talking about how what he's saying is. 865 00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:00,330 not right and Quinn Nelson's right there underneath it. 866 00:38:00,330 --> 00:38:03,851 This feels like one, 867 00:38:03,851 --> 00:38:09,442 an inflection point of companies and the need of 868 00:38:09,442 --> 00:38:14,994 the infrastructure to support all the AI usage is now hitting like real people 869 00:38:15,594 --> 00:38:17,234 and people are not happy about it. 870 00:38:17,234 --> 00:38:19,075 And they are protesting and they're like, 871 00:38:19,075 --> 00:38:25,977 we don't want this massive data center in our state probably affecting water 872 00:38:26,057 --> 00:38:27,057 sources. 873 00:38:27,101 --> 00:38:32,861 and pollution and all of that and you have the one side Kevin O'Leary saying like 874 00:38:32,861 --> 00:38:36,541 yeah he's just don't know what to say he's the only one on earth maybe 875 00:38:36,541 --> 00:38:38,961 he is the only one on earth that's graduated from environmental studies 876 00:38:38,961 --> 00:38:43,981 i also don't think he's like a developer of data centers like that's a 877 00:38:43,981 --> 00:38:47,101 i don't know yeah what does that mean 878 00:38:44,786 --> 00:38:47,097 Also, what does that mean? He graduated 879 00:38:47,097 --> 00:38:50,269 from environmental studies. They did an environmental study on him and 880 00:38:50,269 --> 00:38:52,370 he made it out. Like I don't even know what that means. 881 00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:54,206 Is that what his degree is in? 882 00:38:54,206 --> 00:38:57,123 Like what does it mean to say you graduated from environmental studies? 883 00:38:57,123 --> 00:39:00,014 He graduated with college with a degree and I don't know, 884 00:39:00,014 --> 00:39:03,766 Steven. This is not going to. This is not going to happen. 885 00:39:03,766 --> 00:39:05,707 This is what you do so you can raise a bunch of money to build a 886 00:39:05,707 --> 00:39:08,969 big data center because this is the thing right now that everyone is talking about. 887 00:39:08,969 --> 00:39:12,261 But we don't need a trillion dollars of data centers, 888 00:39:12,261 --> 00:39:13,261 right? 889 00:39:12,849 --> 00:39:18,626 this moment, right? And how much solar do you think it will take to power this data 890 00:39:17,757 --> 00:39:20,080 And not too much, too much. 891 00:39:18,626 --> 00:39:22,341 center? The entire state of Utah would have to be covered in solar panels 892 00:39:22,341 --> 00:39:26,566 to power a nine gigawatt ~ data center. 893 00:39:26,566 --> 00:39:28,449 Like, I don't understand this, 894 00:39:28,449 --> 00:39:29,449 Stephen. 895 00:39:28,797 --> 00:39:32,856 Yeah, and this was the, I'll put a link to this X-post. 896 00:39:32,856 --> 00:39:38,017 It's a video and it's actually showing like the meeting and just people yelling 897 00:39:38,017 --> 00:39:40,437 and it's got like 10 million views here on X. 898 00:39:40,437 --> 00:39:43,257 It's two and a half times the size of Manhattan. 899 00:39:43,257 --> 00:39:45,977 40,000 acres. That's how this big, 900 00:39:45,977 --> 00:39:47,997 this massive data center would be. 901 00:39:47,997 --> 00:39:54,097 And Kevin O'Leary also claimed in his video that they were busing people 902 00:39:54,097 --> 00:39:56,737 in for these meetings to try and make a stink about it. 903 00:39:57,149 --> 00:40:00,709 Which is something we have heard in the past of like, 904 00:40:00,709 --> 00:40:01,809 I don't know, trying to whatever. 905 00:40:01,809 --> 00:40:04,269 But there's a ton of people also here on Xp like, 906 00:40:04,269 --> 00:40:07,249 no, we've not been bused in. Like I live here, 907 00:40:07,249 --> 00:40:11,629 here's a picture from like my house and like we don't want this data center. 908 00:40:11,629 --> 00:40:15,629 And this is also why you hear like CEOs and people talking about data centers 909 00:40:15,629 --> 00:40:19,149 in space or whatever, is so that they can do whatever. 910 00:40:19,149 --> 00:40:25,789 no one's protesting the space data center, 911 00:40:19,385 --> 00:40:20,709 There's no protesters there. 912 00:40:25,789 --> 00:40:26,789 but just. 913 00:40:26,865 --> 00:40:31,093 Just insane, just insane. And so that's that data center in Utah. 914 00:40:31,093 --> 00:40:32,375 You're saying you don't think it's gonna happen. 915 00:40:32,375 --> 00:40:33,527 You think this is gonna be voted down. 916 00:40:34,097 --> 00:40:40,165 I mean, do you think that, ~ open AI is building $3 trillion with 917 00:40:40,165 --> 00:40:42,689 the data centers or whatever insane number they said that they're going to do? 918 00:40:42,689 --> 00:40:44,692 No, you do you say these things like, 919 00:40:44,692 --> 00:40:45,692 ~ 920 00:40:46,078 --> 00:40:47,278 What's his name? Mr. Wonderful. 921 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:50,558 doesn't Kevin O'Leary. He doesn't have the whatever $12 billion. 922 00:40:47,579 --> 00:40:48,579 Yeah, Kevin O'Leary. 923 00:40:50,558 --> 00:40:52,078 I don't even know if this thing's gonna cost. 924 00:40:52,078 --> 00:40:54,058 He doesn't have that money. I the guy's got a lot of money, 925 00:40:54,058 --> 00:40:55,118 but he doesn't have that kind of money. 926 00:40:55,118 --> 00:40:57,238 So he's raising money for this. 927 00:40:57,238 --> 00:40:59,218 This is not about data centers. 928 00:40:59,218 --> 00:41:03,578 It's just a business. It's just it is literally an opportunity to seize the moment. 929 00:41:03,578 --> 00:41:06,798 He has enough capital and enough credibility that he can get other people involved 930 00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:08,778 to put a bunch of money together to start a project. 931 00:41:08,778 --> 00:41:11,258 But by the time something actually gets built, 932 00:41:11,258 --> 00:41:12,458 it's not going to be this. 933 00:41:12,903 --> 00:41:15,174 That doesn't mean that the people shouldn't be protesting if they 934 00:41:15,174 --> 00:41:17,834 if that's they feel. I personally don't think that we need. 935 00:41:17,834 --> 00:41:20,715 Massive data centers everywhere. 936 00:41:20,715 --> 00:41:23,416 I just don't think that's the quality of life that any of us wants, 937 00:41:23,416 --> 00:41:26,717 but I think it's Neely that talks about software brain, 938 00:41:26,717 --> 00:41:30,258 right? Where he this is a perfect example of that. 939 00:41:27,417 --> 00:41:28,535 Right. Yeah. 940 00:41:30,258 --> 00:41:35,519 People in Utah. Would much rather go outdoors and 941 00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:39,680 see Utah than to go outdoors and see data centers everywhere, 942 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,201 right? And it's like you're. 943 00:41:42,499 --> 00:41:46,252 We don't want to live on chat GPT or clawed like it's really useful, 944 00:41:46,252 --> 00:41:49,785 but I would rather be able to go outside and someday you know I've been 945 00:41:49,785 --> 00:41:54,279 to Utah a couple times. Someday it's like fun to go outdoors and see things like. 946 00:41:54,279 --> 00:41:58,782 Right, and so I think that people are like yeah, 947 00:41:54,637 --> 00:41:56,281 Yes, it is good to go outside. 948 00:41:56,281 --> 00:41:58,318 Literally touch grass, as the kids say. 949 00:41:58,782 --> 00:42:04,347 like you're so AI pill that you think a better use of this land. 950 00:42:04,347 --> 00:42:09,642 Is to build a massive data center 2 1⁄2 times the size of I guess that's 951 00:42:09,642 --> 00:42:11,033 the entire facility. I don't think that's the. 952 00:42:11,579 --> 00:42:14,882 building itself, but like two and a half times the size of Manhattan. 953 00:42:13,073 --> 00:42:14,073 See later. 954 00:42:14,882 --> 00:42:19,176 Like it is such a weird dichotomy of like people who don't live in the real world, 955 00:42:19,176 --> 00:42:23,360 but can just can just say things and get people to give money towards something 956 00:42:19,897 --> 00:42:20,897 Right. 957 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,942 because right now that seems okay. 958 00:42:24,942 --> 00:42:27,003 Or like seems like the hot new thing. 959 00:42:27,003 --> 00:42:30,487 But this, mean, Steven, we haven't talked about it in a while, 960 00:42:27,228 --> 00:42:28,228 Yeah. 961 00:42:30,487 --> 00:42:32,699 but I mean, this kind of feels like a bubble. 962 00:42:34,477 --> 00:42:37,499 Well that, yeah. So, 963 00:42:35,069 --> 00:42:36,669 A 40,000 acre bubble. 964 00:42:37,499 --> 00:42:40,932 okay, we're gonna talk about the second data center too and maybe that lends itself 965 00:42:40,932 --> 00:42:41,951 to it. I do want to mention one other thing. 966 00:42:41,951 --> 00:42:45,075 The physicist Robert Davies from Utah State University, 967 00:42:45,075 --> 00:42:52,071 did say a natural gas powered data center of this size would raise Utah's 968 00:42:52,071 --> 00:42:54,813 current total greenhouse gas production by about 50%. 969 00:42:54,813 --> 00:42:57,075 Whether you feel like that's bad or not, 970 00:42:57,075 --> 00:42:58,436 that's a significant difference. 971 00:42:58,436 --> 00:43:00,557 Like one data center in the state. 972 00:43:00,557 --> 00:43:03,580 So that's the Utah data center and 973 00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:05,220 Again, like if you watch the videos, 974 00:43:05,220 --> 00:43:07,341 like these people, they feel very strongly about it, 975 00:43:07,341 --> 00:43:10,401 as you would, like if you lived in that town and they were about to build it, 976 00:43:10,401 --> 00:43:13,115 like I totally get it. Then there was another deal. 977 00:43:13,115 --> 00:43:15,617 This was announced by Anthropic. 978 00:43:15,617 --> 00:43:20,280 They phrased or pitched it as like higher usage limits for Clawed, 979 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,382 like they're gonna raise the usage limits if you're on the Pro or the Max plan. 980 00:43:24,382 --> 00:43:27,965 They're gonna take away some of the peak time limitations because of 981 00:43:27,965 --> 00:43:32,508 a compute deal with SpaceX. And the crux of this is, 982 00:43:33,538 --> 00:43:39,583 XAI was building a data center in Tennessee and it was going to be 983 00:43:39,583 --> 00:43:46,219 a massive data center. ~ XAI is calling it Colossus One or SpaceX. 984 00:43:46,219 --> 00:43:48,621 Sorry, another thing. Elon Musk, 985 00:43:48,621 --> 00:43:51,924 he's saying SpaceX and XAI are not gonna be two different things. 986 00:43:51,924 --> 00:43:53,606 Or XAI is not gonna be a separate thing anymore. 987 00:43:53,606 --> 00:43:56,909 It's just SpaceX AI. It's just one word, 988 00:43:56,909 --> 00:44:00,292 one company. Okay, cool. 989 00:44:01,124 --> 00:44:04,685 So they were planning, XI was planning on building this data center in Memphis. 990 00:44:04,685 --> 00:44:07,826 Colossus One, which I do have to give them credit. 991 00:44:07,826 --> 00:44:10,247 Colossus is like a cool name, like for anything. 992 00:44:10,247 --> 00:44:12,927 I mean, I don't know if it's cool to call it data center that, 993 00:44:12,927 --> 00:44:15,088 ~ but it's one of my favorite X-Men. 994 00:44:15,088 --> 00:44:18,849 I'll just say that. Anyway, this is gonna be the, 995 00:44:18,849 --> 00:44:24,431 it's gonna feature over 220,000 Nvidia GPUs. 996 00:44:24,431 --> 00:44:28,152 You know how much money just the GPUs would cost? 997 00:44:28,294 --> 00:44:29,294 I 998 00:44:28,384 --> 00:44:30,755 don't know, but this is why you can't buy a Mac mini right now. 999 00:44:31,238 --> 00:44:33,550 This is why you can't buy Mac mini or Mac Studio. 1000 00:44:33,550 --> 00:44:37,953 So Stephen Hackett has written about this and I will link his article. 1001 00:44:37,953 --> 00:44:41,106 But this massive data center, it was being built by XAI, 1002 00:44:41,106 --> 00:44:46,300 Colossus One, but guess what? They don't need it because they don't have use for it. 1003 00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:50,423 XAI is not that demanding of all the data. 1004 00:44:50,423 --> 00:44:55,006 And so they are licensing it to Anthropic and Anthropic will use this entire data 1005 00:44:55,006 --> 00:44:57,088 center. So Claude is going to be... 1006 00:44:57,893 --> 00:44:59,424 This is they're being able to raise the limits. 1007 00:44:59,424 --> 00:45:00,724 And this is a facility, I believe, 1008 00:45:00,724 --> 00:45:02,915 that's already built, correct? 1009 00:45:02,915 --> 00:45:04,676 And Colossus 2 is up and running. 1010 00:45:04,676 --> 00:45:08,278 And Musk says XAI no longer needs the first site. 1011 00:45:08,278 --> 00:45:11,099 it's like, is a data center that's already built. 1012 00:45:11,099 --> 00:45:14,891 And this is happening now. And mean, 1013 00:45:14,891 --> 00:45:16,401 Stephen Hackett, lives in Tennessee. 1014 00:45:16,401 --> 00:45:20,033 And yeah, he has covered this data center as well. 1015 00:45:20,033 --> 00:45:21,303 It's not super great. 1016 00:45:21,936 --> 00:45:24,807 Yeah, there's so many different things here you could spend a lot 1017 00:45:24,807 --> 00:45:27,819 of time thinking about. We won't spend any time on really any of them. 1018 00:45:27,819 --> 00:45:32,521 But the most interesting thing is like they built a data center and they can't 1019 00:45:32,521 --> 00:45:34,702 use it because no one's using XAI. 1020 00:45:34,702 --> 00:45:39,604 No one's using GROK. And so we're actually gonna just say it's the AI from SpaceX, 1021 00:45:34,807 --> 00:45:36,480 No one's using grok. Basically. 1022 00:45:39,604 --> 00:45:40,604 which. 1023 00:45:40,986 --> 00:45:45,262 What part of launching a rocket into space and satellites is AI exactly? 1024 00:45:45,262 --> 00:45:48,196 I don't fully understand how that all works still. 1025 00:45:48,196 --> 00:45:50,920 Again, was it in the pre-show we were talking about the pockets? 1026 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,221 Because this is just more pockets, 1027 00:45:51,492 --> 00:45:52,492 Yes, 1028 00:45:52,221 --> 00:45:53,221 Stephen. 1029 00:45:52,761 --> 00:45:55,095 It's more important. Yeah, it's just moving money around to different pockets, 1030 00:45:55,095 --> 00:45:56,095 but. 1031 00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:56,100 It's like 1032 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,545 I don't have any money in this pocket, 1033 00:45:56,545 --> 00:45:59,066 but I have a bunch of money in this other one and I need some over here. 1034 00:45:59,066 --> 00:46:00,100 So I'm just going to move it around. 1035 00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:01,100 Like, I don't know. 1036 00:46:01,404 --> 00:46:04,724 Yeah, hopefully our entire landscape doesn't become data centers. 1037 00:46:04,724 --> 00:46:06,964 That's all. Let's not do that. 1038 00:46:06,964 --> 00:46:09,244 And I know the US has a lot of land. 1039 00:46:07,462 --> 00:46:08,462 Yeah. 1040 00:46:09,244 --> 00:46:12,324 I mean, I understand that. I've driven through some of those middle states. 1041 00:46:12,324 --> 00:46:14,204 But we also don't need to have huge data centers. 1042 00:46:13,572 --> 00:46:14,572 Listen, we don't 1043 00:46:14,286 --> 00:46:16,266 like to be talked about as the middle states. 1044 00:46:16,668 --> 00:46:22,802 Can I just say I saw a map of someone showing what the Midwest is, 1045 00:46:22,802 --> 00:46:25,774 and the states that are claimed to be Midwest, 1046 00:46:25,774 --> 00:46:32,099 and how many are neither west of the center line nor ~ south. 1047 00:46:32,099 --> 00:46:33,600 It's just like, I don't know. 1048 00:46:33,658 --> 00:46:35,289 Yeah, the Midwest, we live in the Midwest, 1049 00:46:35,289 --> 00:46:37,731 but really, we're just slightly west of the East Coast. 1050 00:46:37,731 --> 00:46:44,348 It's fine. But I just think that I just feel like you call us the middle states. 1051 00:46:39,325 --> 00:46:40,325 Exactly 1052 00:46:44,348 --> 00:46:48,685 There's this ~ famous like West Wing quote where he's like something there's like, 1053 00:46:48,685 --> 00:46:51,434 don't know how we're going to reach the flyover states and the other guys like, 1054 00:46:51,434 --> 00:46:54,547 you could start by not calling them the flyover states. 1055 00:46:54,028 --> 00:46:56,090 Right, right exactly. 1056 00:46:56,251 --> 00:46:59,834 Listen, everything west of New York is the Midwest because I grew up in New York. 1057 00:46:59,834 --> 00:47:01,452 No, I'm just kidding. If I made you mad, 1058 00:47:01,452 --> 00:47:02,452 I'm sorry. 1059 00:47:02,330 --> 00:47:04,549 I'm not mad. Pennsylvania is not the Midwest though. 1060 00:47:04,699 --> 00:47:05,699 Yeah, Pennsylvania is the Midwest. 1061 00:47:05,619 --> 00:47:07,952 But isn't like Ohio is the Midwest and it's like, 1062 00:47:07,247 --> 00:47:09,965 Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, 1063 00:47:07,952 --> 00:47:14,159 and it's not even close to being the west side of the United States. 1064 00:47:09,965 --> 00:47:11,550 Minnesota, Missouri. 1065 00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:15,320 It's just funny. 1066 00:47:14,512 --> 00:47:15,512 But the West is 1067 00:47:15,418 --> 00:47:17,262 like, is sort of, well, we're not, 1068 00:47:17,262 --> 00:47:18,262 we don't have time. 1069 00:47:18,180 --> 00:47:19,882 Anyway, leave us a five star rating review, 1070 00:47:19,882 --> 00:47:21,343 let us know, where does the Midwest start? 1071 00:47:21,343 --> 00:47:24,096 What state starts the Midwest? 1072 00:47:24,096 --> 00:47:28,951 All right, the OpenAI Musk trial is still going on and Mira Moradi took the stand. 1073 00:47:28,951 --> 00:47:33,096 She is a former, or was a former CEO of OpenAI. 1074 00:47:33,096 --> 00:47:36,519 I feel like she was, she was CEO for like five minutes. 1075 00:47:33,116 --> 00:47:36,959 was super briefly the CEO. They needed a 1076 00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:37,519 ~ 1077 00:47:36,959 --> 00:47:41,191 CEO because they booted Sam Altman and so they needed a CEO and she became 1078 00:47:39,547 --> 00:47:40,547 Yes. 1079 00:47:41,191 --> 00:47:44,364 CEO and then he came back and then shortly later she left. 1080 00:47:45,168 --> 00:47:46,829 Yeah, so she was super quick, but, 1081 00:47:46,829 --> 00:47:51,682 and some of the rumors swirling around that departure of Miramirati was like, 1082 00:47:51,682 --> 00:47:53,573 is Sam Altman not a good dude? 1083 00:47:53,573 --> 00:48:00,417 And so on the stand, Miramirati testified that Altman falsely stated that 1084 00:48:00,417 --> 00:48:03,398 OpenAI's legal department determined a new AI model did not need to 1085 00:48:03,398 --> 00:48:06,040 go through the company's deployment safety board. 1086 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,271 And so they asked Miramirati, as you understand it, 1087 00:48:08,271 --> 00:48:10,742 was Mr. Altman telling the truth when he made that statement to you? 1088 00:48:10,742 --> 00:48:13,004 And Miramirati answered in a deposition, 1089 00:48:13,004 --> 00:48:14,004 no. 1090 00:48:13,818 --> 00:48:16,340 So she just made it clear that Sam Altman lied about some of 1091 00:48:16,340 --> 00:48:20,914 the safety measures that they were supposedly taking when they were putting these 1092 00:48:20,914 --> 00:48:22,675 models. And remember, this case, 1093 00:48:22,675 --> 00:48:25,638 this is Elon Musk trying to make Sam Altman look like a really bad dude. 1094 00:48:25,638 --> 00:48:28,881 And then it's Sam Altman trying to make Elon Musk look like a really bad dude. 1095 00:48:28,881 --> 00:48:31,743 So neither of them have to give up anything or pay any money. 1096 00:48:31,743 --> 00:48:35,897 But it is interesting to hear some of the testimony now of former OpenAI. 1097 00:48:35,897 --> 00:48:37,708 The former OpenAI CEO is like, 1098 00:48:37,708 --> 00:48:41,672 yeah, Sam Altman kind of lied to my face and was not doing the safety precautions. 1099 00:48:42,682 --> 00:48:45,222 Yeah. Yeah, there's that. 1100 00:48:44,128 --> 00:48:45,828 There's I 1101 00:48:45,828 --> 00:48:47,108 really wish it was video of this trial. 1102 00:48:47,108 --> 00:48:50,348 Like I really want to see these people on the stand because people also said Elon 1103 00:48:50,348 --> 00:48:52,348 Musk like lost his temper after the lawyer said, 1104 00:48:52,348 --> 00:48:55,868 do you, you Elon Musk said I'm a pretty calm person. 1105 00:48:55,868 --> 00:48:58,688 And then it immediately proceeded to, 1106 00:48:57,632 --> 00:49:00,975 Which is a thing you should never say when you're on the stand with a 1107 00:48:58,688 --> 00:49:00,988 never say, never say. 1108 00:49:00,975 --> 00:49:04,157 lawyer being cross-examined because the only thing they're gonna do at that point 1109 00:49:04,278 --> 00:49:05,648 is try to get you to lose your temper. 1110 00:49:05,648 --> 00:49:07,120 That's it. That's the only thing they have to do 1111 00:49:06,224 --> 00:49:07,224 that. 1112 00:49:07,445 --> 00:49:09,765 That's it. So yeah. All right. 1113 00:49:09,765 --> 00:49:13,827 Let's talk about some streaming apps because this we either didn't mention this 1114 00:49:13,827 --> 00:49:18,809 is happening after we recorded but Netflix rolled out a feature of their app. 1115 00:49:18,809 --> 00:49:21,570 So they're basically reels and Instagram and Tik Tok now. 1116 00:49:21,570 --> 00:49:28,393 So there's that. I still. This is you know this way you can discover more shows 1117 00:49:23,631 --> 00:49:25,120 Yeah, I know if this is good. 1118 00:49:28,633 --> 00:49:31,174 and so it's launched a know vertical feed for its app. 1119 00:49:31,174 --> 00:49:32,595 OK. 1120 00:49:32,005 --> 00:49:33,005 But if these are just 1121 00:49:32,666 --> 00:49:33,897 gonna be previews of the shows, 1122 00:49:33,897 --> 00:49:36,229 this sucks. If they're like clips or something, 1123 00:49:35,064 --> 00:49:36,064 Well. 1124 00:49:36,229 --> 00:49:40,443 that's fine. But all they're gonna do is make a vertical feed of ads for shows. 1125 00:49:40,917 --> 00:49:43,189 No, it's not ads and it's not even the trailers. 1126 00:49:43,189 --> 00:49:44,550 It's not like you would see a movie trailer. 1127 00:49:44,550 --> 00:49:47,381 They're literally like clips from the shows basically like you would 1128 00:49:47,381 --> 00:49:50,033 see on TikTok and Instagram, which you know, 1129 00:49:50,033 --> 00:49:51,394 I've seen so many just random clips. 1130 00:49:51,394 --> 00:49:55,057 There's also a good article on the verge right now called the clippening like 1131 00:49:55,057 --> 00:49:56,408 a play on words from the happening. 1132 00:49:56,408 --> 00:50:01,331 Just talking about all the anonymous accounts clipping content like from podcasts 1133 00:50:01,331 --> 00:50:04,883 and stuff. It's wild. But this is basically that is Netflix saying, 1134 00:50:04,883 --> 00:50:07,467 yeah, just come to our app. I'm curious like how many people are actually going 1135 00:50:07,467 --> 00:50:10,337 to scroll a vertical TikTok feed in the Netflix app. 1136 00:50:11,257 --> 00:50:12,760 I can't imagine very many people. 1137 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:13,931 I don't 1138 00:50:13,653 --> 00:50:14,653 Yeah, 1139 00:50:14,223 --> 00:50:16,845 I don't know. But this is like you go to the grocery store to buy produce, 1140 00:50:16,845 --> 00:50:19,978 right? And what if your favorite fast food restaurants like well, 1141 00:50:19,978 --> 00:50:22,149 you know what? Everyone's going to the grocery store to buy produce. 1142 00:50:22,149 --> 00:50:26,002 What if we just had produce? It's like you don't you don't get it, 1143 00:50:24,197 --> 00:50:25,197 What if we sell broccoli? 1144 00:50:26,002 --> 00:50:27,853 dude. We don't want the produce from, 1145 00:50:27,853 --> 00:50:30,205 you know, the Bob's Chicken or whatever. 1146 00:50:28,893 --> 00:50:29,893 Mmm, that's good. 1147 00:50:30,205 --> 00:50:31,996 Like we go to the grocery store for that. 1148 00:50:31,996 --> 00:50:37,400 There's already an app. If you want to watch tick tock style videos of these shows, 1149 00:50:32,507 --> 00:50:33,507 Yeah. 1150 00:50:35,085 --> 00:50:36,085 Right. 1151 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,742 you know where you do. You just go to tick tock. 1152 00:50:39,742 --> 00:50:41,143 But the. 1153 00:50:40,067 --> 00:50:41,067 That's it. 1154 00:50:42,337 --> 00:50:48,145 All of these apps will not be satisfied until you spend 100 % of your free time with 1155 00:50:48,427 --> 00:50:49,850 their app open on your phone. 1156 00:50:49,611 --> 00:50:50,612 That's 1157 00:50:50,712 --> 00:50:55,357 the thing. That's the thing. And Disney is also going to try and make 1158 00:50:55,357 --> 00:50:58,019 a play for this. They say it's going to try and become a super app, 1159 00:50:58,019 --> 00:50:59,931 which I'm also kind of tired of that term, 1160 00:50:59,931 --> 00:51:00,931 super app. 1161 00:51:00,816 --> 00:51:01,816 Yeah, but OK. 1162 00:51:02,837 --> 00:51:08,118 Other side of this argument. Disney kind of actually has an argument 1163 00:51:04,409 --> 00:51:05,409 Yes. 1164 00:51:08,118 --> 00:51:10,778 for this because they're like the Super Corporation, 1165 00:51:10,778 --> 00:51:13,799 right? You got boats, you got theme parks, 1166 00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:12,589 Fair. 1167 00:51:13,799 --> 00:51:16,280 you got streaming services, you got movie theaters, 1168 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,080 you got ABC, you got all these ESPN sporting events. 1169 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,592 I mean, it's honestly not insane that Disney might have an app where 1170 00:51:19,491 --> 00:51:20,491 Yeah, yeah. 1171 00:51:23,592 --> 00:51:24,792 you could do all those things. 1172 00:51:24,792 --> 00:51:26,242 I don't know if it's a good idea or not, 1173 00:51:26,242 --> 00:51:28,373 but it's not like it's not like Uber, 1174 00:51:28,373 --> 00:51:29,373 which is now like. 1175 00:51:29,369 --> 00:51:32,207 Hey, you you hailed a car, what if you hailed a hotel room? 1176 00:51:32,207 --> 00:51:36,439 Like it's like, right? But at least Disney has all this stuff. 1177 00:51:33,561 --> 00:51:35,772 Hello, hotel room. 1178 00:51:36,633 --> 00:51:40,856 And Disney's not adding a vertical scrolling feed of video yet that we know of, 1179 00:51:40,856 --> 00:51:45,189 but this super app is supposedly like the Disney parks and resorts and cruises. 1180 00:51:45,189 --> 00:51:47,271 There's like Disney apps for all these things and they're gonna try and bring 1181 00:51:47,271 --> 00:51:51,003 it all into one. I feel like when you try to put too much into a single app, 1182 00:51:51,003 --> 00:51:53,995 it becomes pretty messy. That's just my opinion. 1183 00:51:53,995 --> 00:51:56,617 That's why like apps that do kind of one thing well, 1184 00:51:56,617 --> 00:51:59,369 except for Jason's app, which does notes, 1185 00:51:59,369 --> 00:52:00,970 reminders, and events very well. 1186 00:52:00,970 --> 00:52:02,091 Just throwing that out there. 1187 00:52:01,883 --> 00:52:02,883 It's 1188 00:52:02,064 --> 00:52:04,215 just the perfect flow. Yeah. 1189 00:52:04,027 --> 00:52:05,027 perfect 1190 00:52:04,387 --> 00:52:07,387 flow. I also think it's hilarious that this like Disney image 1191 00:52:07,387 --> 00:52:10,007 has like multiple sequels as what they're showing off. 1192 00:52:10,007 --> 00:52:12,707 It's like Frozen 2, Hocus Pocus 2. 1193 00:52:12,707 --> 00:52:15,307 yeah. Anyway Disney Super App, 1194 00:52:13,883 --> 00:52:14,883 Yeah. 1195 00:52:15,307 --> 00:52:18,087 cruise line. Have you ever been on a Disney cruise? 1196 00:52:17,261 --> 00:52:19,174 I've been on Disney Cruise twice actually. 1197 00:52:18,087 --> 00:52:20,007 Is it pretty good? 1198 00:52:20,416 --> 00:52:23,100 Yeah, this is back when Disney was like leasing its boats from someone else, 1199 00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:24,256 but they were pretty cool. It was, 1200 00:52:24,256 --> 00:52:25,704 I mean, they weren't huge boats at the time. 1201 00:52:25,704 --> 00:52:28,778 I still think Disney's cruise ships are not like the big, 1202 00:52:28,778 --> 00:52:30,401 big ones because they don't have to be the, 1203 00:52:29,872 --> 00:52:30,872 Yeah. 1204 00:52:30,401 --> 00:52:32,033 that doesn't have to be the attraction because you know, 1205 00:52:32,033 --> 00:52:33,033 there's Mickey Mouse. 1206 00:52:32,387 --> 00:52:33,387 Right. 1207 00:52:33,648 --> 00:52:34,769 Right. I have been on the big, 1208 00:52:34,769 --> 00:52:38,192 big, ~ I've been on the Harmony of the Seas from Royal Caribbean. 1209 00:52:38,192 --> 00:52:40,314 The big ships are pretty fun. I'll give you that. 1210 00:52:40,314 --> 00:52:46,158 They're fun stuff. Vox, which is the parent company of The Verge, 1211 00:52:40,448 --> 00:52:41,448 Yeah, I agree. 1212 00:52:46,158 --> 00:52:48,781 might be getting acquired. this was recently, 1213 00:52:48,781 --> 00:52:53,164 or earlier this week, the Wall Street Journal reports and others that James Murdoch, 1214 00:52:53,164 --> 00:52:58,128 son of Rupert Murdoch, is in talks to buy Vox and New York Magazine 1215 00:52:58,168 --> 00:53:01,271 and the podcast division, which includes shows like 1216 00:53:01,532 --> 00:53:06,532 The Vergecast actually waveform MKBHD's podcast as part of the Vox Media Network. 1217 00:53:06,532 --> 00:53:13,052 And also, what is the Scott Galloway pivot with Kara Swisher? 1218 00:53:10,140 --> 00:53:11,140 pivot. 1219 00:53:13,052 --> 00:53:16,312 So James Murdoch might be, he is in talks too, 1220 00:53:16,312 --> 00:53:18,272 and possibly late talks to acquire all of that. 1221 00:53:18,272 --> 00:53:20,772 But you said you heard Kara Swisher talking about this specifically? 1222 00:53:21,915 --> 00:53:27,530 ~ Well, she was saying that That probably for most people not much will change 1223 00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:30,793 and maybe she was talking specifically about her show because what it means 1224 00:53:30,793 --> 00:53:34,026 to be a part of the network simply means that they just pooled together shows 1225 00:53:34,026 --> 00:53:38,019 to buy ad inventory, right? So it's like you actually I think on 1226 00:53:38,019 --> 00:53:41,023 a recent most recent episode of waveform They actually talked about 1227 00:53:41,023 --> 00:53:44,135 not this but what does it mean to be a part of boxes podcast network? 1228 00:53:44,135 --> 00:53:47,899 And I think it was MKB HD was like well what that means is that? 1229 00:53:48,249 --> 00:53:53,551 they sell ads because a big advertiser could look at six shows and be like, 1230 00:53:53,551 --> 00:53:57,883 well, we'll buy ads on all six shows instead of those six companies together trying 1231 00:53:58,043 --> 00:54:00,964 to do all that. so from that perspective, 1232 00:54:00,964 --> 00:54:05,666 I don't think that it would because I think like MKBHD owns this podcast 1233 00:54:05,826 --> 00:54:07,847 and Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway own Pivot. 1234 00:54:07,847 --> 00:54:09,728 They're just a part of the network. 1235 00:54:09,728 --> 00:54:13,139 And that's I think it's different than like Relay where Relay, 1236 00:54:13,139 --> 00:54:15,470 think, owns those shows. I don't know how that part of it works. 1237 00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:17,731 Yeah, anyway. 1238 00:54:16,059 --> 00:54:17,100 Yeah, I'm not sure exactly. 1239 00:54:18,083 --> 00:54:20,361 If I gotta talk to a relay host and find out, 1240 00:54:18,221 --> 00:54:21,583 Something like that. Well, 1241 00:54:20,361 --> 00:54:21,385 I'm just kidding. It doesn't matter. 1242 00:54:21,385 --> 00:54:22,599 It doesn't matter. 1243 00:54:21,583 --> 00:54:25,576 I'm still new. I'm still new. But that's one of the reasons why I always, 1244 00:54:25,576 --> 00:54:27,307 I mention this and I don't think it's, 1245 00:54:27,307 --> 00:54:29,809 I don't know. I don't know how much people care, 1246 00:54:29,809 --> 00:54:33,972 whatever. like, that's why I wanted this show to be so, 1247 00:54:33,972 --> 00:54:36,773 like so independent. It's not under any umbrella. 1248 00:54:36,773 --> 00:54:38,745 And when you're not under an umbrella, 1249 00:54:38,745 --> 00:54:42,978 it is very difficult to like grow and sometimes get sponsors. 1250 00:54:42,978 --> 00:54:44,499 We do work with an ad agency. 1251 00:54:45,243 --> 00:54:49,743 But they're like they don't have exclusivity and they don't like they're 1252 00:54:49,743 --> 00:54:53,263 not over the show at all And so it is very different like all the shows 1253 00:54:53,263 --> 00:54:56,203 as you see vox media network Which is a bunch of shows like also all 1254 00:54:56,203 --> 00:55:01,482 the verge shows so you got the verge you have version history Decoder all of that. 1255 00:55:01,482 --> 00:55:03,543 We're not we're not we're literally independent. 1256 00:55:03,543 --> 00:55:07,843 We're like the Just this the dude on the corner like it's just us. 1257 00:55:06,980 --> 00:55:09,842 Yeah, we're just a bunch of dudes on the corner. 1258 00:55:07,843 --> 00:55:13,143 We're just us out here Which is just a That's right, 1259 00:55:09,842 --> 00:55:13,225 We've been in hotel rooms. I've recorded the show from Denmark. 1260 00:55:13,143 --> 00:55:14,283 that's right 1261 00:55:13,225 --> 00:55:14,436 We're just dudes 1262 00:55:14,436 --> 00:55:15,436 in places. 1263 00:55:14,958 --> 00:55:15,958 That's right, 1264 00:55:15,378 --> 00:55:17,959 and you might be recording somewhere else pretty soon. 1265 00:55:17,275 --> 00:55:19,010 ~ And that might be true. 1266 00:55:17,959 --> 00:55:22,131 Anyway, we'll get to that in a second. 1267 00:55:22,131 --> 00:55:24,122 A couple quick bits. The US Supreme Court, 1268 00:55:24,122 --> 00:55:29,584 SCOTUS, Apple has been trying to pause this ~ in the Epic case, 1269 00:55:29,584 --> 00:55:31,985 so Apple v Epic Games. Remember, 1270 00:55:31,985 --> 00:55:36,647 Judge Gonzales Rogers held Apple in contempt for not 1271 00:55:36,647 --> 00:55:41,449 ~ following the ruling in the previous Epic Games course, 1272 00:55:41,449 --> 00:55:44,160 saying that they're still being hostile with the whole like, 1273 00:55:44,354 --> 00:55:47,656 app developers and linking out other apps and things like that. 1274 00:55:47,656 --> 00:55:50,618 And Apple's been trying to pause that order. 1275 00:55:50,618 --> 00:55:52,799 still, didn't realize that was still going on. 1276 00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:54,630 But the Supreme Court said, no, 1277 00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:58,362 you don't get to pause this. And so I'm still not sure what this will change 1278 00:55:58,882 --> 00:56:00,403 in people's experience in the apps. 1279 00:56:00,403 --> 00:56:04,065 Maybe some apps won't get rejected now if they link out to something, 1280 00:56:04,065 --> 00:56:05,240 but yeah. 1281 00:56:04,739 --> 00:56:05,739 Yeah, well, I 1282 00:56:05,309 --> 00:56:09,703 think what happened here is I'm trying to remember I was like scanning through this 1283 00:56:09,703 --> 00:56:15,108 turn remember, but essentially like YGR is how we what we call her judge YGR. 1284 00:56:14,434 --> 00:56:18,672 Yes, the judge. Who's also the judge in the Elon Musk Sam Altman trial. 1285 00:56:15,108 --> 00:56:18,761 ~ Yeah, 1286 00:56:18,761 --> 00:56:20,302 there's only like a couple of these judges. 1287 00:56:20,302 --> 00:56:22,594 There's Judge Meta Judge Gonzalez Rogers. 1288 00:56:22,594 --> 00:56:24,966 We just keep popping up. They never wanted to be famous. 1289 00:56:24,966 --> 00:56:27,698 And yet here we are. We call her YGR. 1290 00:56:26,266 --> 00:56:28,248 That's right. That's right. YG. 1291 00:56:27,698 --> 00:56:28,989 We should we should call her judge. 1292 00:56:28,989 --> 00:56:30,320 I should I don't mean any disrespect. 1293 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,382 But anyway, Your Honor. Yes, Judge. 1294 00:56:30,561 --> 00:56:31,561 Your Honor. 1295 00:56:32,382 --> 00:56:33,413 OK, but. 1296 00:56:34,011 --> 00:56:35,912 ~ Basically, she was like, you're, 1297 00:56:35,912 --> 00:56:40,375 you're in contempt because you didn't implement this in the way that 1298 00:56:40,375 --> 00:56:42,457 I intended and you're being belligerent about it. 1299 00:56:42,457 --> 00:56:47,530 And I think Apple's appeal is essentially like, 1300 00:56:42,722 --> 00:56:43,722 Right. 1301 00:56:47,530 --> 00:56:48,781 well, we weren't being belligerent, 1302 00:56:48,781 --> 00:56:52,924 we actually have an argument, you can't say that the the amount can't be zero. 1303 00:56:52,924 --> 00:56:55,236 So there is an amount and you just disagree with the amount. 1304 00:56:55,236 --> 00:56:56,787 So that's not the same thing as anyway. 1305 00:56:56,787 --> 00:56:59,039 And so she issued this ruling. 1306 00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:02,531 And I think what Apple is saying until we can go back and totally figure out 1307 00:57:03,011 --> 00:57:05,897 what that should be, this should be paused, 1308 00:57:05,897 --> 00:57:09,865 right? And I think the Supreme Court was like, 1309 00:57:09,865 --> 00:57:12,450 just do the thing. Just do the thing. 1310 00:57:10,391 --> 00:57:12,117 No. Just do the thing. 1311 00:57:13,082 --> 00:57:14,175 And this is one of those, you know, 1312 00:57:14,175 --> 00:57:16,574 it's about money. Apple doesn't want to give a 1313 00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:16,990 Also Apple 1314 00:57:16,693 --> 00:57:19,845 won on nine of 10 counts. This is the one count they lost. 1315 00:57:20,556 --> 00:57:24,147 Exactly that. Okay, well, we to get to personal tech. 1316 00:57:24,147 --> 00:57:27,209 We have a bunch of personal tech and or bonus content we might get to, 1317 00:57:27,209 --> 00:57:29,911 but I do also want to shout out Transistor.fm. 1318 00:57:29,911 --> 00:57:31,492 did a little case study on us. 1319 00:57:31,492 --> 00:57:35,654 Some friend, Justin Jackson, he's the co-founder of Transistor and 1320 00:57:35,172 --> 00:57:36,172 didn't hurt or 1321 00:57:35,663 --> 00:57:39,353 anything. The case study it didn't hurt I didn't feel anything. 1322 00:57:38,746 --> 00:57:42,306 It didn't hurt, totally painless. 1323 00:57:39,353 --> 00:57:42,362 I didn't even didn't even know what happened. 1324 00:57:42,306 --> 00:57:43,306 Exactly. 1325 00:57:43,706 --> 00:57:46,286 But he was asking what has been the video podcast experience, 1326 00:57:46,286 --> 00:57:48,146 and so I've been sharing with him some numbers. 1327 00:57:48,146 --> 00:57:51,746 And you can see, however you feel about video and Apple podcasts, 1328 00:57:51,746 --> 00:57:55,566 the exposure it has gotten this show is tremendous. 1329 00:57:55,566 --> 00:58:00,206 It's a lot more. But there are also a lot of things like the challenges 1330 00:58:00,206 --> 00:58:03,306 or the downsides, like chapters and all that kind of stuff. 1331 00:58:03,306 --> 00:58:06,186 I did mention all of that. And I don't know, 1332 00:58:06,186 --> 00:58:07,186 maybe I'll have an update on that. 1333 00:58:07,522 --> 00:58:08,903 some of this stuff in a couple weeks. 1334 00:58:08,903 --> 00:58:11,274 ~ That's all I can say about that. 1335 00:58:11,274 --> 00:58:14,106 We'll see. But I voice the concerns as well. 1336 00:58:11,874 --> 00:58:13,124 Okay, great, I can't wait. 1337 00:58:14,106 --> 00:58:17,208 And I would just say that the right people heard it. 1338 00:58:17,208 --> 00:58:18,809 The right people saw the concerns. 1339 00:58:18,809 --> 00:58:20,640 That's all I'll say. That's all I'll say. 1340 00:58:19,428 --> 00:58:20,428 Good. 1341 00:58:20,641 --> 00:58:22,645 I'm not the right people because I didn't know that this happened. 1342 00:58:22,645 --> 00:58:24,559 So I did not see that, but I already know the concerns are. 1343 00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:25,559 It's fine. 1344 00:58:25,178 --> 00:58:27,318 Exactly. All right, got a bunch of stuff. 1345 00:58:27,318 --> 00:58:29,558 mean, the Spirit Airlines thing happened. 1346 00:58:29,558 --> 00:58:32,078 Spirit just totally went under randomly. 1347 00:58:32,078 --> 00:58:35,438 You wrote about that. I have an app I'm doing. 1348 00:58:35,438 --> 00:58:36,678 I don't know. What should we talk about? 1349 00:58:36,678 --> 00:58:38,478 What was your article about Spirit? 1350 00:58:37,402 --> 00:58:39,662 Oh, we're in the personal tech section now. 1351 00:58:38,478 --> 00:58:40,778 This is the personal tech segment. 1352 00:58:39,662 --> 00:58:41,082 Okay. Well, 1353 00:58:40,778 --> 00:58:41,778 Yeah. 1354 00:58:41,082 --> 00:58:44,022 I mean, I've never flown Spirit in my entire life. 1355 00:58:44,022 --> 00:58:46,982 I do have friends that used to like, 1356 00:58:44,130 --> 00:58:45,130 Neither have I. 1357 00:58:46,982 --> 00:58:48,762 I think this is either in high school or college, 1358 00:58:48,762 --> 00:58:52,462 like they'd fly from Michigan to Florida for like $19 each way. 1359 00:58:52,462 --> 00:58:54,962 And you had to pack in your backpack because you weren't allowed to check 1360 00:58:54,962 --> 00:58:56,142 a bag for that price or whatever. 1361 00:58:56,142 --> 00:58:59,462 But like, it is kind of insane to think how can an airline exist 1362 00:58:59,462 --> 00:59:02,602 if they're only charging $19 for a one way flight or whatever. 1363 00:59:02,602 --> 00:59:06,238 But the the article that I wrote was that there's two 1364 00:59:03,010 --> 00:59:04,010 Yeah. 1365 00:59:06,415 --> 00:59:08,496 Two different airlines had announcements on the same day, 1366 00:59:08,496 --> 00:59:10,447 and both of them pointed at the same thing, 1367 00:59:10,447 --> 00:59:12,358 which is gas prices super high, 1368 00:59:12,358 --> 00:59:14,910 right? One of those airlines went under, 1369 00:59:14,910 --> 00:59:18,161 like just stopped flying altogether, 1370 00:59:18,161 --> 00:59:21,583 and that was Spirit, they were like basically the cost of fuel. 1371 00:59:21,583 --> 00:59:25,155 And the cost of jet fuel has been the highest cost for airlines for a long time, 1372 00:59:25,155 --> 00:59:27,156 right there with employee costs, 1373 00:59:27,156 --> 00:59:29,928 right? And over like the last couple of years, 1374 00:59:29,928 --> 00:59:33,810 labor costs have actually exceeded that ~ for most airlines. 1375 00:59:34,458 --> 00:59:38,018 But suddenly fuel costs just jumped right back up there and it just 1376 00:59:38,018 --> 00:59:41,518 no longer became profitable to fly these airplanes because of how expensive it is. 1377 00:59:41,518 --> 00:59:43,258 Like I drove past a sign. I don't know what it's like in Florida, 1378 00:59:43,258 --> 00:59:46,958 but I drove past a sign where it's like $4.99 a gallon here and $6.99 1379 00:59:46,958 --> 00:59:49,758 a gallon for diesel. So like milk's getting more expensive. 1380 00:59:49,758 --> 00:59:50,837 Everything's getting more expensive. 1381 00:59:50,837 --> 00:59:54,038 And so, and then the same day Delta put out a press release that they're giving 1382 00:59:54,038 --> 00:59:57,998 everybody a raise. 4 % raise. They had promised it. 1383 00:59:56,524 --> 00:59:58,145 Wow. That's wow. 1384 00:59:57,998 --> 00:59:59,738 They do this. They've been doing it for several years. 1385 00:59:59,738 --> 01:00:01,298 They sent in a letter saying, Hey, 1386 01:00:01,298 --> 01:00:02,698 despite the fact that, you know, 1387 01:00:02,698 --> 01:00:04,222 costs are insane, we're going to 1388 01:00:04,302 --> 01:00:06,925 we're going invest in our people because we think that that's the right thing to do. 1389 01:00:06,925 --> 01:00:08,708 It was just an interesting contrast. 1390 01:00:08,708 --> 01:00:12,252 People can pick on Delta because they are more expensive, 1391 01:00:12,252 --> 01:00:13,824 but also they're still flying. 1392 01:00:14,564 --> 01:00:19,464 That's right. They also, I saw they stopped serving snacks to economy 1393 01:00:19,505 --> 01:00:21,810 on flights less than an hour or something. 1394 01:00:21,810 --> 01:00:23,353 ~ Delta. 1395 01:00:22,392 --> 01:00:23,887 Yeah, I think you're going to stop doing 1396 01:00:23,887 --> 01:00:26,987 the service, but I think you could like still ask for bottles of water 1397 01:00:26,987 --> 01:00:28,582 or whatever it is. But like, I mean, 1398 01:00:27,490 --> 01:00:29,591 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fine. 1399 01:00:28,582 --> 01:00:29,886 yeah, I get it. 1400 01:00:30,573 --> 01:00:31,874 That's fine. It was just crazy to me. 1401 01:00:31,874 --> 01:00:36,498 I saw all the videos on TikTok and Reels of like people who had flights booked 1402 01:00:36,498 --> 01:00:39,320 on Spirit and all the airports were like, 1403 01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:40,982 if you had a flight on Spirit, 1404 01:00:40,982 --> 01:00:44,064 do not come to the airport. There's no one here to help you. 1405 01:00:42,648 --> 01:00:45,477 Right. There's no spirit anymore. 1406 01:00:44,064 --> 01:00:48,869 Just doesn't exist. And then there's like one guy who's like trying 1407 01:00:48,869 --> 01:00:51,071 to raise enough money to maybe buy the airline. 1408 01:00:51,071 --> 01:00:53,583 I don't even know how that works. 1409 01:00:53,583 --> 01:00:54,814 I can't imagine that that's possible. 1410 01:00:54,402 --> 01:00:55,402 Well, and 1411 01:00:54,953 --> 01:00:57,738 you can't just because the airline went under doesn't mean you can buy it 1412 01:00:57,738 --> 01:01:00,974 for like a dollar because there's loans on all those planes, 1413 01:01:00,974 --> 01:01:03,338 right? You'd have to be able to pay off all that debt. 1414 01:01:01,316 --> 01:01:02,316 Right. 1415 01:01:03,747 --> 01:01:06,108 Right, exactly. I will say, know, 1416 01:01:06,108 --> 01:01:09,332 Spirit and Frontier are like the ultra low-cost airlines, 1417 01:01:09,332 --> 01:01:12,866 LCCs as they call them. And I've never flown Spirit, 1418 01:01:12,866 --> 01:01:14,808 but I did fly Frontier once. Have ever flown Frontier? 1419 01:01:16,798 --> 01:01:17,798 I don't think so. 1420 01:01:17,892 --> 01:01:21,105 They had a direct flight to Vegas from Orlando and my wife and I flew it. 1421 01:01:21,105 --> 01:01:26,008 Let me tell you, I did not realize a plane could be that low cost. 1422 01:01:26,008 --> 01:01:29,212 As in like, like the seats, 1423 01:01:27,353 --> 01:01:28,353 Ha 1424 01:01:29,212 --> 01:01:31,854 there's like no padding in the seats. 1425 01:01:31,854 --> 01:01:34,035 It's just basically like a plastic wrapped, 1426 01:01:34,035 --> 01:01:37,099 like there's, there's like, 1427 01:01:34,855 --> 01:01:36,841 You have to pay extra for a cushion. 1428 01:01:37,099 --> 01:01:40,682 there's like no cushion. And like the tray table was like the size of like a, 1429 01:01:40,682 --> 01:01:42,604 like a $20 bill. It was just like, 1430 01:01:42,604 --> 01:01:43,745 that was the trade. I was like, 1431 01:01:43,745 --> 01:01:45,106 this, I did not realize. 1432 01:01:45,562 --> 01:01:47,982 that this is ultra low cost. people were like, 1433 01:01:47,982 --> 01:01:51,442 is a little, you people actually had nostalgic feelings about Spirit because they 1434 01:01:51,442 --> 01:01:53,782 were like, allowed me to travel places because it was ultra cheap. 1435 01:01:53,782 --> 01:01:55,678 And yeah, so there's that. 1436 01:01:53,912 --> 01:01:54,912 Yeah. 1437 01:01:55,650 --> 01:01:58,551 I flew Southwest once. That's as low as I go. 1438 01:01:57,976 --> 01:01:59,022 Yeah, Southwest 1439 01:01:59,022 --> 01:02:01,175 is fine. They have assigned seating now though. 1440 01:02:01,175 --> 01:02:02,189 It's like a different experience. 1441 01:02:02,370 --> 01:02:03,900 Yeah, if you're going to if you're going to do that, 1442 01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:06,174 you might as well just fly United or Delta or whatever. 1443 01:02:07,738 --> 01:02:11,298 Anyway, you fly a lot. Wait, do you want to say here where you might be going, 1444 01:02:11,298 --> 01:02:14,846 or do want to save it? You have a lot of trips coming up. 1445 01:02:11,936 --> 01:02:13,467 I have a lot of trips coming up. 1446 01:02:13,467 --> 01:02:14,908 But one 1447 01:02:14,908 --> 01:02:18,490 of them would be really fun. I might I'm only going to say is, 1448 01:02:18,490 --> 01:02:20,332 I've been to a couple grand prix's. 1449 01:02:20,332 --> 01:02:23,694 This year I might be going to the mother of all grand prix's. 1450 01:02:20,921 --> 01:02:21,921 Yes. 1451 01:02:25,624 --> 01:02:27,550 mother of all Grand Prix's. ~ 1452 01:02:27,042 --> 01:02:28,042 I think that is 1453 01:02:27,623 --> 01:02:31,429 the official term. I don't think that's the official term, 1454 01:02:29,710 --> 01:02:33,080 Mother of all Grand Prix's. MOAGP. 1455 01:02:31,429 --> 01:02:34,884 but I think it is the most famous one. 1456 01:02:35,724 --> 01:02:37,316 And can you say what you'll be doing there? 1457 01:02:37,316 --> 01:02:40,419 Not yet. OK, just kidding. Just kidding. 1458 01:02:37,656 --> 01:02:39,449 I definitely cannot say what I'm going to be doing there. 1459 01:02:39,449 --> 01:02:42,494 Just kidding. No, 1460 01:02:40,419 --> 01:02:42,041 That's wild. 1461 01:02:42,494 --> 01:02:43,494 I 1462 01:02:42,775 --> 01:02:44,057 can say that to our listeners, 1463 01:02:44,057 --> 01:02:47,463 I'm I'm hoping to be in Monaco during the time when there's a Grand Prix. 1464 01:02:47,463 --> 01:02:48,916 Let me just that's all I'm going to say. 1465 01:02:47,886 --> 01:02:48,886 That's amazing. 1466 01:02:49,249 --> 01:02:51,613 That's amazing. That's very cool. 1467 01:02:51,613 --> 01:02:53,828 You also might be going to Google I.O. 1468 01:02:54,146 --> 01:02:55,416 Yeah, I'm going to be at Google IO. 1469 01:02:56,506 --> 01:02:58,146 Did you get, like, do you have to get invited to that? 1470 01:02:58,146 --> 01:02:59,146 Did you get an invite for 1471 01:02:58,316 --> 01:02:59,316 Yeah, I 1472 01:02:58,757 --> 01:02:59,951 did get an invitation. I've gone, 1473 01:02:59,951 --> 01:03:01,856 this'll be the fourth year, I think. 1474 01:03:01,594 --> 01:03:03,754 Yeah, I know you'd normally go. 1475 01:03:01,856 --> 01:03:04,384 Last year I got to check out their glasses, 1476 01:03:04,384 --> 01:03:05,384 you know. 1477 01:03:04,914 --> 01:03:06,974 Right, right, yeah. I didn't get any invite for that, 1478 01:03:06,974 --> 01:03:08,774 so you'll have to vicariously. 1479 01:03:07,970 --> 01:03:09,859 You could just send them an email. 1480 01:03:08,774 --> 01:03:11,334 Yeah, I guess I don't have an email. 1481 01:03:11,334 --> 01:03:13,614 I'm also like, I mean, I'm holding out for dub-dub. 1482 01:03:13,614 --> 01:03:14,914 Hopefully I just get an invite for that. 1483 01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:15,422 He's like, didn't get an invite. 1484 01:03:14,914 --> 01:03:19,354 I mean, I would like to go, 1485 01:03:15,422 --> 01:03:17,327 I also don't really care. It's fine. 1486 01:03:19,354 --> 01:03:21,309 but you know, it's all a trip. 1487 01:03:20,607 --> 01:03:22,118 It ~ 1488 01:03:22,118 --> 01:03:27,719 is a very different experience than Dub-Dub in a lot of ways. 1489 01:03:26,947 --> 01:03:27,947 Okay. 1490 01:03:27,719 --> 01:03:29,660 One, it's a live presentation, 1491 01:03:29,660 --> 01:03:32,941 so there's that. It's in the amphitheater in Mountain View. 1492 01:03:30,563 --> 01:03:31,563 That's nice. 1493 01:03:32,941 --> 01:03:37,383 ~ They're different. 1494 01:03:37,383 --> 01:03:39,163 mean, they have the same feel to developer conferences, 1495 01:03:39,163 --> 01:03:43,305 it is sort of like a chaotic feel to the whole thing. 1496 01:03:43,956 --> 01:03:46,336 really? Is it multi-days? 1497 01:03:45,389 --> 01:03:46,789 Maybe it's because I usually fly 1498 01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:48,710 in super late. There's usually two days. 1499 01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:50,190 I don't usually stick around for the second day, 1500 01:03:50,190 --> 01:03:52,171 but it's like I usually fly in late, 1501 01:03:52,171 --> 01:03:56,952 like the Monday night if it's on Tuesday and then you have to be there super early. 1502 01:03:56,952 --> 01:03:59,163 It doesn't start till 10, but you got to be there like eight o'clock, 1503 01:03:59,163 --> 01:04:00,533 which is kind of like dub dub. 1504 01:04:00,533 --> 01:04:04,644 ~ And then there's stuff you do in the afternoon and then I fly home 1505 01:04:00,696 --> 01:04:01,696 Yeah. 1506 01:04:04,644 --> 01:04:10,686 and it's so maybe my mind is just like I have to ramp myself up for this even less 1507 01:04:08,567 --> 01:04:10,722 You're there like 36 hours, basically? 1508 01:04:10,686 --> 01:04:13,583 than that. Usually I'm usually in town for roughly 24 hours. 1509 01:04:10,722 --> 01:04:12,125 Less than that. 1510 01:04:14,167 --> 01:04:16,850 That's wild. Okay, that would stress me out, 1511 01:04:15,063 --> 01:04:17,641 Yeah, a little bit. 1512 01:04:16,850 --> 01:04:21,265 but ~ I'll stay a more days. I'll mention one personal tech thing. 1513 01:04:21,265 --> 01:04:26,821 AirPods Pro 3, I've been using them since they came out and I really like them. 1514 01:04:26,821 --> 01:04:28,245 Have you been still on the AirPods Pro 3? 1515 01:04:28,439 --> 01:04:30,358 Yeah, I have a real personal tech thing here in a second, 1516 01:04:30,358 --> 01:04:31,358 but go ahead. 1517 01:04:30,731 --> 01:04:31,731 Okay, 1518 01:04:31,131 --> 01:04:34,914 well you get that. Well, comply is the tips, 1519 01:04:34,914 --> 01:04:37,581 the third party tips that I use on the AirPods Pro 2. 1520 01:04:37,581 --> 01:04:41,228 And when the threes came out, Apple adjusted the tips enough where they've been 1521 01:04:41,308 --> 01:04:44,791 comfortable and they've stayed in my ears better than past models. 1522 01:04:44,791 --> 01:04:49,554 The AirPods Pro 3 had that little like foam inside that helps it expand and keep it. 1523 01:04:49,554 --> 01:04:54,157 But there were still times where I found the AirPods Pro 3 sliding out just 1524 01:04:54,157 --> 01:04:58,670 a little bit and I would have to like re-seat them like if I was doing 1525 01:04:58,670 --> 01:04:59,731 my grocery shopping or whatever. 1526 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,432 And so Comply finally came out with their AirPods Pro 3 tips. 1527 01:05:04,432 --> 01:05:07,594 And so I did get them. These are like the Max version. 1528 01:05:07,594 --> 01:05:09,625 They didn't send them to me. I just bought them on Amazon. 1529 01:05:09,625 --> 01:05:12,597 They're like 25 bucks. They come in a couple different colors. 1530 01:05:12,597 --> 01:05:15,478 And I will say I've used them now for the past couple days. 1531 01:05:15,478 --> 01:05:20,091 I really like them. I still like and prefer the Comply tips over 1532 01:05:20,091 --> 01:05:23,863 the even AirPods Pro 3, even though those are better and improved over the two. 1533 01:05:23,863 --> 01:05:26,984 I prefer the Comply. They're super solid in my ear. 1534 01:05:26,984 --> 01:05:27,984 I find... 1535 01:05:28,171 --> 01:05:33,115 I get a better ANC experience because of the seal and because they don't slightly 1536 01:05:33,115 --> 01:05:35,486 slip out and they're still super comfortable. 1537 01:05:35,486 --> 01:05:38,789 These do get, because they're more foam, 1538 01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:43,142 they can, like after a year of use or maybe less depending on 1539 01:05:43,142 --> 01:05:44,833 how much you're sweating in them, 1540 01:05:44,833 --> 01:05:48,415 they can get not as nice, but they're also like 25 bucks. 1541 01:05:48,415 --> 01:05:52,630 And so you can get a pack where all three are the same size and so 1542 01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:56,051 you can basically get three pairs for like 25 bucks. 1543 01:05:56,385 --> 01:06:00,210 of all mediums and so if they do get really nasty you can just toss them 1544 01:06:00,210 --> 01:06:03,835 and just use the next pair and you could have like three years of tips in it. 1545 01:06:03,835 --> 01:06:05,481 But I still, I really like these, 1546 01:06:05,481 --> 01:06:09,502 I got them and I recommend if you struggle with AirPods Pro 3 sliding 1547 01:06:09,502 --> 01:06:11,795 out or maybe they're not comfortable for you I would try the... 1548 01:06:13,283 --> 01:06:15,936 Nice. All right. Well, I mean, 1549 01:06:14,008 --> 01:06:15,008 Yeah, what do you got? 1550 01:06:15,936 --> 01:06:22,062 I have a fun, fun device. ~ I was just double checking to make sure that 1551 01:06:19,075 --> 01:06:20,075 Yes, yes. 1552 01:06:22,837 --> 01:06:23,837 No embargo. 1553 01:06:23,143 --> 01:06:27,317 the embargo had actually still passed and the most recent email I have says it's 1554 01:06:27,317 --> 01:06:29,069 passed. Okay. I just wanted to double check. 1555 01:06:28,151 --> 01:06:29,151 Okay. 1556 01:06:29,069 --> 01:06:30,471 If not, I'll text you later and be like, 1557 01:06:30,471 --> 01:06:32,733 you should delete this ~ the whole section. 1558 01:06:31,415 --> 01:06:32,415 delete that part. 1559 01:06:32,733 --> 01:06:36,737 No. So as everyone knows, I'm a fan of the remarkable. 1560 01:06:37,341 --> 01:06:39,752 I have been using, okay, it's on their website. 1561 01:06:39,752 --> 01:06:42,863 So that's good. I've been using the paper pro move for a while, 1562 01:06:40,546 --> 01:06:41,546 Okay. 1563 01:06:42,863 --> 01:06:45,423 which is the small one they released, 1564 01:06:43,181 --> 01:06:44,181 Yes. 1565 01:06:45,423 --> 01:06:48,574 I guess it was yesterday. The pure, 1566 01:06:47,095 --> 01:06:48,470 The pure, yeah, I think so. 1567 01:06:48,574 --> 01:06:50,265 which I also have here. Hold on. 1568 01:06:50,265 --> 01:06:53,326 I can't see anything. and this is, 1569 01:06:53,326 --> 01:06:57,407 it's bigger. I don't. 1570 01:06:55,009 --> 01:06:58,677 is bigger than the move, like. 1571 01:06:57,407 --> 01:07:01,108 Yeah, I don't have one of the original ones here with me, 1572 01:07:01,108 --> 01:07:03,769 like the paper pro or the remarkable or the remarkable to 1573 01:07:04,270 --> 01:07:08,021 but this one is smaller and it also has the nice area on the side where 1574 01:07:08,021 --> 01:07:09,791 you can hold it, which is really nice. 1575 01:07:09,122 --> 01:07:10,122 Yes. 1576 01:07:09,791 --> 01:07:13,162 ~ And this is basically the new entry level version. 1577 01:07:13,162 --> 01:07:18,103 So it's the non-color, but it does have mostly the same specs as like 1578 01:07:18,103 --> 01:07:20,054 the Paper Pro Move, just with a bigger screen. 1579 01:07:20,054 --> 01:07:24,595 It doesn't have a backlight, which is one of the ways they've saved on expenses. 1580 01:07:24,595 --> 01:07:26,545 like a lot of Kindles don't have a backlight, 1581 01:07:26,545 --> 01:07:29,856 right? The entry level ones, you have to be somewhere where you can actually have 1582 01:07:29,856 --> 01:07:33,077 a light shining on it versus the Paper Pro and the Paper Pro Move. 1583 01:07:33,495 --> 01:07:36,658 which in addition to being color also have their own internal backlight. 1584 01:07:36,658 --> 01:07:39,330 So I think it's really great. It's remarkable. 1585 01:07:37,090 --> 01:07:38,090 Okay. 1586 01:07:39,330 --> 01:07:40,982 It's a little bit less expensive, 1587 01:07:40,982 --> 01:07:43,554 right? Right now it's the least expensive one you can get. 1588 01:07:43,554 --> 01:07:48,018 And if you're looking to try out something like this, 1589 01:07:48,018 --> 01:07:52,653 there is now an option that you don't have to pay as much for the large size one. 1590 01:07:52,653 --> 01:07:54,524 It's kind cool. 1591 01:07:54,903 --> 01:07:55,903 It looks, 1592 01:07:56,074 --> 01:08:00,919 so we actually talk on the next Mac Power Users episode all about e-readers with 1593 01:08:00,919 --> 01:08:03,222 Jason Snell. He's our guest this Sunday. 1594 01:08:03,222 --> 01:08:06,345 And we talk about these kind of multi-devices. 1595 01:08:06,345 --> 01:08:10,589 Neither Jason Snell nor David nor I have done these things. 1596 01:08:10,589 --> 01:08:13,122 But I know you use them all the time, 1597 01:08:13,122 --> 01:08:14,122 right? Like you use them. 1598 01:08:13,737 --> 01:08:14,737 Yeah, 1599 01:08:13,998 --> 01:08:17,121 but I would say this is not a multi device just to be clear. 1600 01:08:17,121 --> 01:08:21,085 Okay, and I wrote about this when I wrote about the Kindle color soft. 1601 01:08:21,085 --> 01:08:23,292 What is the recent the newest one called? 1602 01:08:23,292 --> 01:08:24,292 I don't know. It's right over here. 1603 01:08:24,505 --> 01:08:25,785 It's the Colorsoft, I thought. 1604 01:08:25,785 --> 01:08:28,805 I got the killer. All right, the ammo, 1605 01:08:28,805 --> 01:08:30,665 because I got it for my son for Christmas. 1606 01:08:30,665 --> 01:08:34,585 It's the Kindle Colorsoft. They have the Colorsoft signature. 1607 01:08:31,651 --> 01:08:33,121 I got one of those two right here. 1608 01:08:33,121 --> 01:08:35,282 Okay. I don't know. 1609 01:08:34,585 --> 01:08:35,585 Is that what you mean? 1610 01:08:35,302 --> 01:08:36,742 I don't know. Anyway, doesn't matter. 1611 01:08:36,742 --> 01:08:40,363 So I wrote about this when I did a review of the of the Kindle. 1612 01:08:40,363 --> 01:08:44,215 The Kindle is a book reading device that you can also write on. 1613 01:08:44,215 --> 01:08:46,093 Okay. If you want to take notes on your books, 1614 01:08:44,973 --> 01:08:45,973 Yes. 1615 01:08:46,093 --> 01:08:47,585 whatever, it is not a note taking device. 1616 01:08:47,585 --> 01:08:50,566 It is not a here's my calendar for the day and I'm going to take notes 1617 01:08:50,566 --> 01:08:52,507 in my meetings. That is not what this Kindle is. 1618 01:08:52,507 --> 01:08:55,598 It can. Thank you. Kindle scribe color soft. 1619 01:08:52,589 --> 01:08:54,169 The Kindle scribe is what you're thinking of. 1620 01:08:54,169 --> 01:08:56,383 I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. 1621 01:08:55,598 --> 01:08:58,308 Right. Okay. The names are hard. 1622 01:08:58,308 --> 01:08:59,609 These companies don't make it easy. 1623 01:08:59,609 --> 01:09:00,609 It is not. 1624 01:08:59,757 --> 01:09:00,757 Kindle scribe 1625 01:09:00,510 --> 01:09:01,535 color stuff. Yeah, you gotta write that. 1626 01:09:01,229 --> 01:09:02,229 Yeah, okay. 1627 01:09:01,870 --> 01:09:06,513 It is not a multi-device. It is a single device that does more than one thing, 1628 01:09:06,513 --> 01:09:08,014 which is an important distinction. 1629 01:09:08,014 --> 01:09:10,066 And I would argue that the remarkable is the same. 1630 01:09:10,066 --> 01:09:14,239 It is not a reading device. Could you load PDS on here and read them? 1631 01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:16,981 You can. Have I done it? Yes. Is it terrible? 1632 01:09:16,981 --> 01:09:20,103 Yes. In a pinch, if this is the only thing you wanted to carry around, 1633 01:09:17,912 --> 01:09:18,912 You 1634 01:09:20,103 --> 01:09:21,764 it's like fine for documents. Or if it's like, 1635 01:09:21,764 --> 01:09:23,956 I got to look at this thing later so I can put it on here, 1636 01:09:23,956 --> 01:09:26,718 that's fine. Or like I've used it for like... 1637 01:09:27,402 --> 01:09:30,523 moderating panels. Like literally this is an overview for moderating 1638 01:09:30,523 --> 01:09:33,294 a panel and it's great. And that was just a PDF that I put on here and then 1639 01:09:33,294 --> 01:09:34,734 I can make notes on it that's fine. 1640 01:09:34,734 --> 01:09:37,835 But this is a writing device. It is a note taking device. 1641 01:09:37,835 --> 01:09:40,305 And if you would like to read stuff on it, 1642 01:09:40,305 --> 01:09:42,216 that's fine, but it is not meant for that. 1643 01:09:42,216 --> 01:09:46,937 And so these two devices look like they overlap and book reading devices look like 1644 01:09:46,937 --> 01:09:50,498 they are parallel to this. But I would argue they are actually there. 1645 01:09:50,498 --> 01:09:54,539 They are only the same in the way that a journal notebook is the same as a book. 1646 01:09:54,539 --> 01:09:56,960 No, for real. 1647 01:09:56,056 --> 01:09:57,056 Okay, sure. 1648 01:09:57,247 --> 01:09:58,729 I get that. No, I get that. I get that. 1649 01:09:57,780 --> 01:09:58,780 Right? Could 1650 01:09:58,710 --> 01:10:02,292 you stick pages of a book in your notebook and then read it later? 1651 01:10:02,292 --> 01:10:04,483 Yes, you could, but you wouldn't want to do that. 1652 01:10:04,483 --> 01:10:07,744 Just like you can take notes in your actual book, 1653 01:10:07,744 --> 01:10:12,306 but you wouldn't be like journaling or writing notes from a meeting in your like, 1654 01:10:12,306 --> 01:10:15,698 write your Patterson books or whatever. 1655 01:10:13,932 --> 01:10:14,932 No, no, I get it. 1656 01:10:15,774 --> 01:10:21,858 But like, I mean, these devices look beautiful and I love the idea of them. 1657 01:10:21,858 --> 01:10:26,001 Where, outside of making notes while we record this show, 1658 01:10:26,001 --> 01:10:29,204 well, one, do you do that on the remarkable while we're recording? 1659 01:10:29,496 --> 01:10:32,636 I was not doing that today, but I have done that many, 1660 01:10:32,636 --> 01:10:36,476 times today. The thing that was closest to my reach was a piece of paper. 1661 01:10:36,476 --> 01:10:38,044 So I just was writing him out a piece of paper. 1662 01:10:36,830 --> 01:10:37,830 Okay, 1663 01:10:38,265 --> 01:10:41,416 where do you use this in your day to day work? 1664 01:10:42,391 --> 01:10:47,065 So I ~ typically will use it because I don't have it set up on this 1665 01:10:47,065 --> 01:10:49,256 one because I didn't move everything over, 1666 01:10:49,256 --> 01:10:50,828 but I guess I could just show you the move. 1667 01:10:50,828 --> 01:10:55,201 I use a, you can download templates for these and you can just go to like Etsy 1668 01:10:55,201 --> 01:11:00,415 or these, there's like a store planner pro something.com and you just download your 1669 01:11:00,836 --> 01:11:03,678 this and you can have your calendar on it and then you can take notes 1670 01:11:03,678 --> 01:11:06,310 to have to do's. You can swipe over and it has a page where you 1671 01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:09,511 can like literally write all your notes from all of your meetings and everything. 1672 01:11:09,511 --> 01:11:11,284 And then you have everything in one place. 1673 01:11:12,162 --> 01:11:13,162 So you use it daily? 1674 01:11:14,886 --> 01:11:15,886 when I leave the house. 1675 01:11:16,770 --> 01:11:17,770 when you leave the house. 1676 01:11:18,566 --> 01:11:20,842 Wait, so that's it. Wait, so you use it. 1677 01:11:20,842 --> 01:11:22,135 You don't use it at your house. 1678 01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:25,361 Well, I guess what I meant was I don't just sit here and write my notes on it. 1679 01:11:25,361 --> 01:11:27,952 I use it for meetings. I use it to keep my calendar on it. 1680 01:11:27,952 --> 01:11:31,062 I make I take my to do list and I write my to do list on here every 1681 01:11:31,062 --> 01:11:33,923 day because the act of writing it out is really helpful. 1682 01:11:33,923 --> 01:11:38,314 I would say I don't use it as as quote religiously as I had been because 1683 01:11:38,314 --> 01:11:42,366 I also go back and forth between the UG monk like the analog cards. 1684 01:11:42,366 --> 01:11:46,987 And I do have a small little notebook that I use with those as well. 1685 01:11:46,987 --> 01:11:50,688 So but that's because I end up like trying a lot of 1686 01:11:51,244 --> 01:11:55,273 different things, but what the remarkable is where I have a friend who uses 1687 01:11:55,273 --> 01:11:58,741 it like for everything. Every time I've ever sat in a meeting with him, 1688 01:11:58,741 --> 01:12:01,628 this is all he brings. Yeah. 1689 01:12:00,866 --> 01:12:01,866 Really? 1690 01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,081 I have still never personally tried a remarkable, 1691 01:12:06,081 --> 01:12:11,606 I'll be honest. And they look so tempting because it looks so good. 1692 01:12:11,032 --> 01:12:12,712 But you also don't take notes on paper, 1693 01:12:11,606 --> 01:12:14,609 I don't. 1694 01:12:12,712 --> 01:12:13,712 so. 1695 01:12:14,609 --> 01:12:17,552 Aspirationally, I feel like maybe I would. 1696 01:12:17,526 --> 01:12:19,332 Yeah, but you won't. Like, I don't mean that. 1697 01:12:19,332 --> 01:12:22,132 I'm not being mean. I'm just saying if you're already not doing that, 1698 01:12:20,257 --> 01:12:21,428 No, you're right, you're right. 1699 01:12:22,132 --> 01:12:24,380 you don't need this. This will not make you take notes on paper. 1700 01:12:24,970 --> 01:12:27,701 Right, and I also, like if I were to get one, 1701 01:12:27,701 --> 01:12:31,613 I mean the new one is nice, but I feel like the Move is a nice size because it's 1702 01:12:31,613 --> 01:12:35,144 like a notepad size. But yeah, 1703 01:12:32,556 --> 01:12:33,556 Yeah, that's great. 1704 01:12:35,144 --> 01:12:38,285 I guess I wish I was a handwritten note person. 1705 01:12:38,285 --> 01:12:42,420 I don't know why. It just feels like that would be a nice thing to be. 1706 01:12:39,928 --> 01:12:45,372 ~ Because they're fun things to carry around and if you write in notebooks, 1707 01:12:42,420 --> 01:12:45,908 It's fun to care. Yes. 1708 01:12:45,372 --> 01:12:46,372 it's fun to have 1709 01:12:46,172 --> 01:12:49,055 notebooks that have your personality instead of just like typing 1710 01:12:49,055 --> 01:12:51,696 it into reminders every time you have to write something down. 1711 01:12:50,857 --> 01:12:52,948 See, yes, that all sounds great. 1712 01:12:51,696 --> 01:12:54,398 But if you're not doing it, you're not going to do it. 1713 01:12:52,948 --> 01:12:56,278 I think it's also Yeah, 1714 01:12:54,398 --> 01:12:56,149 Don't spend 500 bucks on one of these. 1715 01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:57,149 If it's not. 1716 01:12:56,278 --> 01:12:57,278 because 1717 01:12:57,219 --> 01:13:00,109 that's that's that's been the hindrance it's like 450 well if you want 1718 01:13:00,109 --> 01:13:03,540 to get the pen the mark marker too You have to spend five hundred something dollars 1719 01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:07,251 and i've not done that yet I I guess I just want another excuse to buy 1720 01:13:07,251 --> 01:13:08,561 a gadget that I haven't had yet, 1721 01:13:08,561 --> 01:13:12,902 but I won't I won't do that. I mean I bought this this boondoggle this 1722 01:13:12,902 --> 01:13:16,433 I saw this on social media. 1723 01:13:16,433 --> 01:13:19,804 This is a casus it is a 1724 01:13:20,234 --> 01:13:25,545 Mac Pro looking enclosure for a Mac Mini and you can basically like screw your 1725 01:13:25,545 --> 01:13:29,667 Mac Mini into this thing and then you get like an SD card slot on top 1726 01:13:29,847 --> 01:13:33,128 you get like more USB ports on one side and you get like 1727 01:13:33,768 --> 01:13:39,619 the display ports and other USB C I don't know why I got this I got it 1728 01:13:39,619 --> 01:13:43,440 to make a reel basically and ~ because I don't even get affiliate revenue 1729 01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:46,221 for it but I'm like that's I don't know I just wanted an excuse 1730 01:13:46,221 --> 01:13:48,982 to buy something else but thanks for not enabling me I appreciate that 1731 01:13:48,664 --> 01:13:50,204 You 1732 01:13:49,368 --> 01:13:50,568 I that. 1733 01:13:50,968 --> 01:13:52,568 right, well, let's see. We're to go record a bonus episode. 1734 01:13:52,568 --> 01:13:53,988 I'm going talk about the app that I'm making. 1735 01:13:53,988 --> 01:13:57,108 And then, I don't know, maybe we'll talk about your app more. 1736 01:13:57,108 --> 01:13:58,108 You kind of mentioned your app. 1737 01:13:58,028 --> 01:13:59,516 We'll talk about it again. We'll see. 1738 01:13:59,224 --> 01:14:00,224 Yeah, but 1739 01:13:59,545 --> 01:14:01,480 I didn't I didn't well, yeah, you're right because if we do it in 1740 01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:03,505 the bonus I already went through all that for the bonus listener, 1741 01:14:03,505 --> 01:14:04,505 so 1742 01:14:04,184 --> 01:14:05,524 Yeah, if you don't listen to... 1743 01:14:05,524 --> 01:14:09,864 I'm curious if people listen to the bonus episode but not the unedited show. 1744 01:14:09,864 --> 01:14:11,224 Anyway, I'd be curious. 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But it has like our 30 to 45 minute pre-show as we shuck and jive. 1752 01:14:31,692 --> 01:14:35,063 the show ad free and then the bonus episode all in one feet so you get that 1753 01:14:35,063 --> 01:14:38,675 you get primary tech daily which is Monday through Friday it's a five minute show 1754 01:14:38,675 --> 01:14:42,216 just top news headlines I read that off and yeah you get all the benefits 1755 01:14:42,216 --> 01:14:44,534 and you support the show so you can sign up that link is down in the show notes 1756 01:14:44,534 --> 01:14:48,169 you can also watch us in Apple podcast Spotify or YouTube we're almost 1757 01:14:48,169 --> 01:14:52,981 at 4,000 subscribers on YouTube which is pretty fun let me look at what 1758 01:14:52,981 --> 01:14:58,603 is it at right now maybe it can celebrate we're at 3,000 ~ I gotta switch 1759 01:14:58,603 --> 01:15:00,604 my account 3,000 1760 01:15:02,607 --> 01:15:05,988 984. We need 16 more subscribers to get to 4,000 on YouTube. 1761 01:15:05,988 --> 01:15:07,348 So go over there subscribe to YouTube channel. 1762 01:15:06,368 --> 01:15:07,850 No, no, no, no, that's not right. 1763 01:15:07,348 --> 01:15:08,348 What? 1764 01:15:07,850 --> 01:15:08,850 Is 1765 01:15:08,461 --> 01:15:10,313 it 84? Okay, got it. I'm sorry. 1766 01:15:10,313 --> 01:15:13,407 I can't even see what it it's I can't see what you can see. 1767 01:15:13,407 --> 01:15:17,022 Sorry. You were right. You did math correctly. 1768 01:15:14,069 --> 01:15:16,340 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm in the YouTube studio. 1769 01:15:16,340 --> 01:15:17,871 did 1770 01:15:17,022 --> 01:15:18,022 I'm sorry. 1771 01:15:17,871 --> 01:15:18,871 the math correctly, thank you. 1772 01:15:18,652 --> 01:15:20,843 So go subscribe, so we got 4,000 over on YouTube. 1773 01:15:20,843 --> 01:15:22,754 But thanks for watching, listening wherever you are. 1774 01:15:22,754 --> 01:15:25,276 Leave us a five, I got no five star rating and reviews talking about 1775 01:15:25,276 --> 01:15:28,267 the Dell Venue Pro, which I understand I might be the only person that 1776 01:15:28,267 --> 01:15:29,628 has ever bought one and liked it. 1777 01:15:29,628 --> 01:15:32,470 But you know, shout out if you ever used a Windows mobile phone, 1778 01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:33,700 leave us a five star rating and review. 1779 01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:36,132 Tell us which phone model you had and if you loved it. 1780 01:15:36,132 --> 01:15:37,763 And yeah, thanks for listening, 1781 01:15:37,763 --> 01:15:39,374 thanks for watching. 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