1 00:00:00,090 --> 00:00:02,940 Unknown: Hey, this is episode two of our interview with Trace 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,860 Atkins. So, get ready for some fun stories and some craziness. 3 00:00:08,310 --> 00:00:11,760 Yeah, you're not gonna see all of the fun and craziness in just 4 00:00:11,910 --> 00:00:16,380 one part. No, it's in part two, and I believe we've got a part 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:17,640 three we're gonna do. Right, 6 00:00:17,970 --> 00:00:19,110 get out of town, we do. 7 00:00:19,620 --> 00:00:23,930 So, there will be craziness and great stories in every episode 8 00:00:24,020 --> 00:00:29,600 coming up with Trace Atkins on Circling the Drain. Welcome to a 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:34,310 podcast about music and entertainment. Before it all 10 00:00:34,430 --> 00:00:40,180 goes down the disposal, this is Circling the Drain. Would 11 00:00:43,359 --> 00:00:46,929 hypothetically, you got to pick a band to tribute for the rest 12 00:00:46,929 --> 00:00:49,509 of your life. Can't do any of the trade stuff or anything that 13 00:00:49,509 --> 00:00:51,819 you did. You got to pick a band, and this is the rest of your 14 00:00:51,909 --> 00:00:55,599 life to tribute act. Who would be the tribute? Only 15 00:00:56,470 --> 00:01:00,870 one I could do would be Dire Straits. Mark Knopfler never got 16 00:01:01,020 --> 00:01:05,220 out of my range, you know. If you listen to Mark Notley, I 17 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,060 mean, you listen to Dire Straits, he got a pretty low 18 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:09,630 voice, 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:11,760 and he's almost like he's talking, 20 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,680 yeah, more than singing. Yeah, yeah, I do Dire Straits. 21 00:01:17,579 --> 00:01:20,129 That's a good one to pick. There's not many Dire 22 00:01:20,220 --> 00:01:25,520 Straits tribute bands out there, I do too, man. 23 00:01:25,580 --> 00:01:28,220 They put out some great, and plus a lot of those songs 24 00:01:28,310 --> 00:01:32,150 translate well to country. Yeah, you know, like Waylon did Set Me 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,120 Up, and he did a great version of that. I thought, 26 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,310 yeah, yeah, I love that song, man. 27 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,350 See, the thing I dig about you and Waylon is like when I first 28 00:01:41,350 --> 00:01:45,970 saw Wayland Honky Tonk Heroes, the album cover, it didn't look 29 00:01:46,030 --> 00:01:49,720 like cowboys to me, looked like a bunch of bikers in a bar, and 30 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:50,980 that's what you kind of.. I have 31 00:01:51,070 --> 00:01:55,810 an album cover on my Dangerous Man album, that when I told him 32 00:01:56,020 --> 00:02:00,460 that I was so sick and tired of that at that point of the photo 33 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,550 shoots and the makeup, and the crap, and the wardrobe, and all 34 00:02:05,610 --> 00:02:08,970 of that stuff, and I'm, and I showed him, I said, 'You see 35 00:02:09,150 --> 00:02:11,370 this? I showed him that album, 36 00:02:11,580 --> 00:02:11,640 yeah, 37 00:02:12,839 --> 00:02:13,769 Honky Tonk Heroes, 38 00:02:13,830 --> 00:02:14,880 great, great album. 39 00:02:14,910 --> 00:02:17,310 He was there. Who else was there? Oh, there was somebody 40 00:02:17,430 --> 00:02:18,030 else in the, in 41 00:02:18,750 --> 00:02:20,990 the.. Oh, there's Billy Joe. Billy Joe Shaver was there, 42 00:02:21,230 --> 00:02:21,650 yeah, and 43 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,550 there was like seven or eight guys in a bar, Wayland sitting 44 00:02:25,670 --> 00:02:27,950 in front of them with a cigarette hanging out of his 45 00:02:28,100 --> 00:02:31,100 mouth, and none of them looked like they'd been close to a 46 00:02:31,310 --> 00:02:33,980 shower for days. Oh, you're Richie 47 00:02:34,250 --> 00:02:37,340 Albright. One 48 00:02:39,529 --> 00:02:42,069 of them must have just farted, because they're all laughing, 49 00:02:43,179 --> 00:02:45,219 they're all laughing, except 50 00:02:45,310 --> 00:02:46,960 for Roger Scott. 51 00:02:47,260 --> 00:02:53,290 He farted, and so somebody snapped that shot. 52 00:02:53,650 --> 00:02:53,710 Yeah, 53 00:02:54,099 --> 00:02:57,129 and it to me is one of the most iconic album covers ever. 54 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:57,520 Oh, it is, 55 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,240 and that's what I wanted to do, and I was like, I just put on a 56 00:03:00,510 --> 00:03:03,570 T-shirt, and I got rug grease on it, and I had on a pair of dirty 57 00:03:03,690 --> 00:03:07,170 jeans and cowboy hat, and I sat down in that shop, and I said, 58 00:03:07,290 --> 00:03:16,650 "Take the picture. That was it. I'm not doing all that crap 59 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,950 today. I don't feel like it. I don't want to do it. It's just 60 00:03:20,370 --> 00:03:23,000 weird. This is going to be the shot, this is going to be the 61 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,140 album cover, and that was 62 00:03:25,070 --> 00:03:28,640 it. When I was, I was at MCA Records for a number of years in 63 00:03:28,700 --> 00:03:31,880 their promotion department. John Schneider was, you know, on the 64 00:03:31,970 --> 00:03:37,700 Lamborghini, and we did a.. I was part of his album cover 65 00:03:37,910 --> 00:03:43,750 shoot for one of his albums. You remember where down on a fad 66 00:03:43,870 --> 00:03:46,870 there's a pool hall down underneath there's a bowling 67 00:03:47,020 --> 00:03:48,880 alley and stuff where the sutler yeah 68 00:03:49,450 --> 00:03:49,810 yes 69 00:03:50,740 --> 00:03:52,150 anyway we shot it down there 70 00:03:52,630 --> 00:03:54,370 oh yeah I remember that place and we were 71 00:03:54,460 --> 00:03:58,630 down there all day long you know just like you say you know I 72 00:03:58,690 --> 00:04:03,180 mean I'm I'm kind of vaguely visible on that album cover, but 73 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,270 yeah, I can relate to kind of some of what you're saying. We 74 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:10,650 were down there all damn day, for you know, just a couple of, 75 00:04:10,830 --> 00:04:11,550 couple of photos, 76 00:04:12,300 --> 00:04:18,120 way it ought to be, man. You know, make them real, but we got 77 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,880 to get to great song, because this is the first time that I 78 00:04:22,970 --> 00:04:26,780 really got to talk to you was because even though song was 79 00:04:26,870 --> 00:04:32,150 great, I was, I got to explain this, because at the time I had 80 00:04:33,290 --> 00:04:35,960 girls that I was a stepfather to, and one of them loved 81 00:04:36,020 --> 00:04:39,680 country music, and so every time I take her to school she would 82 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,280 commandeer the radio and jump from station to station, and she 83 00:04:45,790 --> 00:04:52,180 loved Honky Tonk Badonkadonk, and it got to the point I liked 84 00:04:52,180 --> 00:04:55,150 it when I first heard it, but after a while with her 85 00:04:55,630 --> 00:05:01,110 constantly zeroing in on the song, I got a little. I'm tired 86 00:05:01,230 --> 00:05:06,570 of it, right. And so I, we're on the Phil Valentine show, and we 87 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:12,030 start talking about music, and I blurt out, I said, man, 88 00:05:12,630 --> 00:05:15,420 anything, but I just don't want to hear honky tonk but donkey, 89 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:21,020 not one more time. And then all of a sudden I get a call and ask 90 00:05:21,050 --> 00:05:28,280 who their name was, and this is Trace, he's gonna whip my ass 91 00:05:28,460 --> 00:05:33,680 right here, Trace ad, because he goes, wait a while, he goes, the 92 00:05:33,770 --> 00:05:37,940 only trace in this truck, and then he let me know on the ear, 93 00:05:38,060 --> 00:05:41,110 he goes, you may be tired of it, was gonna put my daughters 94 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:41,740 through college, 95 00:05:44,890 --> 00:05:46,900 yeah. Well, you know, and I love 96 00:05:47,110 --> 00:05:51,220 the song. In fact, I like it more now that I'm older, because 97 00:05:51,310 --> 00:05:54,940 it's just a cool song. It's a well, fun song. It's 98 00:05:55,030 --> 00:06:00,550 a cleverly written song. If you, if you really look at that song, 99 00:06:00,730 --> 00:06:07,620 I mean, Dallas Davidson and Randy Hauser and Jamie Johnson 100 00:06:07,710 --> 00:06:08,190 wrote that, 101 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:08,700 right? 102 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,730 And those are three of the finest country writers in this 103 00:06:11,910 --> 00:06:16,170 town. Yeah, you know what I mean. And the demo that I heard 104 00:06:16,290 --> 00:06:20,220 of, it was Jamie singing the demo, so if you can imagine that 105 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:27,830 cornbread mouth, he was singing that demo, and Scott Hendricks 106 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,060 played it for me in his office, and both he and I just, just 107 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,380 laughed until we almost pissed ourselves, because it was so 108 00:06:36,650 --> 00:06:40,330 funny, Jamie singing that song. Yeah, and I was like, man, but 109 00:06:40,390 --> 00:06:42,550 listen to it, I said it's cleverly written. 110 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:43,420 Yes, it's 111 00:06:43,570 --> 00:06:48,400 cleverly written, and I don't mind novelty if it's cleverly 112 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,390 written. These are three songwriters you know at the top 113 00:06:52,420 --> 00:06:56,560 of their game, and it's a well-crafted, cleverly written 114 00:06:56,710 --> 00:07:01,080 song. Yes, it's stupid, and it's a novelty thing, but it's still 115 00:07:01,290 --> 00:07:06,240 cleverly written, and so, and I thought it was funny, and so I 116 00:07:06,450 --> 00:07:10,440 never expected it to be a single out. Oh, it was huge. Let's just 117 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,310 cut it and see what happens. It's funny, you know. So, yeah, 118 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,430 there was no more thought that went into it than that, but, but 119 00:07:17,460 --> 00:07:23,270 I appreciated it, for it was clever. But now it's like that 120 00:07:23,390 --> 00:07:29,750 is the number one, the most played country song, most played 121 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:42,430 country song in strip club history, not everybody can say 122 00:07:42,610 --> 00:07:43,750 that. I 123 00:07:43,930 --> 00:07:44,590 can't say that. 124 00:07:44,890 --> 00:07:48,370 Have you ever had to be had to have been talked into recording 125 00:07:48,430 --> 00:07:50,590 a song? You know, you hear stories about George Jones. He 126 00:07:50,620 --> 00:07:52,570 didn't want to do, he stopped loving her today because he 127 00:07:52,630 --> 00:07:54,430 thought it was too morbid. There's a 128 00:07:54,820 --> 00:07:59,800 couple, there are couple that, yes, that it wasn't. I, that I 129 00:08:00,010 --> 00:08:04,260 was talked into recording, it was that I had to make a deal, 130 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,820 because there were songs every now and then that I wanted to 131 00:08:08,970 --> 00:08:13,320 cut that the label didn't want me to cut, and so in order to 132 00:08:13,470 --> 00:08:16,770 cut the one I wanted to cut, I had to cut the one they wanted 133 00:08:16,860 --> 00:08:20,040 me to cut, so you make those deals every now and then, you 134 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:23,420 know, but those songs weren't ever singles, but there was one 135 00:08:23,510 --> 00:08:27,350 song that became a single that I only reason I recorded the song 136 00:08:27,380 --> 00:08:31,430 was because I wanted to have a track that I could sing to at my 137 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,950 oldest daughter's wedding reception, because I thought 138 00:08:34,490 --> 00:08:38,840 this will be a funny song, it'll make the mamas cry, and so you 139 00:08:38,870 --> 00:08:42,160 know, I recorded you're going to miss this, to just sing at her, 140 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,370 and then Mike Dungan was at the wedding, and he was like, 141 00:08:45,730 --> 00:08:49,390 "Where'd that song come from? I just, you know, Lee Miller gave 142 00:08:49,420 --> 00:08:52,120 it to me. It's a song he wrote, and I thought it'd be funny to 143 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,760 sing it at the wedding reception, make all the mamas 144 00:08:54,880 --> 00:09:00,810 cry, but it made the dads cry. Yeah, there's 145 00:09:00,870 --> 00:09:03,630 only been like before we moved to Nashville, it was oh four, 146 00:09:03,660 --> 00:09:05,880 and we started getting with the notion of moving to Nashville 147 00:09:05,910 --> 00:09:08,460 started coming around when we were working radio out there, 148 00:09:09,330 --> 00:09:13,530 and what came on the radio was Bad Brad Paisley, what Kay Lo's 149 00:09:13,620 --> 00:09:20,910 song Kelly Lovelace wrote it, where basically he's the 150 00:09:21,210 --> 00:09:24,050 stepfather, yeah, the dads, yeah, they didn't have to be 151 00:09:24,470 --> 00:09:27,380 right. Oh my gosh, my wife and I'm like, I'm not crying, and 152 00:09:27,410 --> 00:09:30,740 you're crying, you know. And then the Neil Thrasher song that 153 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,790 Kenny recorded, who's.. I can't believe I can't remember these 154 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,880 names of these songs. My life, there goes your life, 155 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,620 there goes your life. That's another one that got me, 156 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,060 and that one got me, you're gonna miss this, so yeah. Thank 157 00:09:43,060 --> 00:09:43,510 you for that. 158 00:09:43,749 --> 00:09:46,509 Dungan was like, let's put that out as a single one. I was like, 159 00:09:46,539 --> 00:09:52,479 yeah, it's too sappy. They're never gonna play that on country 160 00:09:52,629 --> 00:09:57,159 radio, they're not gonna play. That was my first multiple week 161 00:09:57,279 --> 00:10:01,649 number one, and so you know I. Yeah, after, and that year I won 162 00:10:02,579 --> 00:10:06,059 single of the year, or something like that. Anyway, so I got up 163 00:10:06,119 --> 00:10:08,639 there to accept the award, and Dungan was sitting right out in 164 00:10:08,759 --> 00:10:12,629 audience, and I just pointed at, I was like, this song proves 165 00:10:12,719 --> 00:10:17,189 that I have no idea what I'm doing, because I didn't think 166 00:10:17,249 --> 00:10:19,829 this song would be a hit, I didn't think it would get played 167 00:10:19,889 --> 00:10:23,089 on the radio, and that guy told me that it would, and he was 168 00:10:23,269 --> 00:10:26,449 right, and so here we are. Thank you very much. That was 169 00:10:27,169 --> 00:10:30,169 one of Ashley Gourley, being another one of the writers on 170 00:10:30,259 --> 00:10:33,619 that, yeah, one of his, what, 84 number ones that he's.. oh my 171 00:10:34,009 --> 00:10:36,649 gosh, have you heard about that? Oh, you know, Ashley's like 172 00:10:37,250 --> 00:10:37,610 Juggernaut, 173 00:10:37,729 --> 00:10:41,199 there are people sitting outside his door, wherever he is right 174 00:10:41,259 --> 00:10:46,719 now, hoping that they'll get clean. Yeah, just, just what's 175 00:10:47,019 --> 00:10:50,199 Ashley writing next? Because we want it, you know? Yeah, 176 00:10:50,349 --> 00:10:53,319 everybody wants an Ashley Dorley cut. I've recorded several 177 00:10:53,499 --> 00:10:57,009 Ashley songs. He's great, man. He wrote that with Lee Miller. I 178 00:10:57,099 --> 00:11:00,929 just saw Lee the other night, and we just got to laugh about 179 00:11:01,019 --> 00:11:03,389 some old times. Are 180 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:06,690 you still writing anything to see? You have your radar. I 181 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:07,650 write some stuff, 182 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:11,969 man. I just wrote, actually, which is going to be my first 183 00:11:11,999 --> 00:11:15,659 single coming out. They may have dropped it Friday, I don't know, 184 00:11:16,109 --> 00:11:20,689 but it's a song that I wanted to write something for the for the 185 00:11:20,899 --> 00:11:26,809 250th you know, so some couple of writers came to me with this 186 00:11:26,959 --> 00:11:32,629 idea, and, and we wrote it, and so it's coming. It's called 187 00:11:32,659 --> 00:11:35,779 American Made, and should be coming out pretty soon. 188 00:11:36,140 --> 00:11:37,610 Well, your song, Arlington, 189 00:11:38,030 --> 00:11:42,700 yeah, another one that made me, yeah, that one an empty chair, 190 00:11:44,290 --> 00:11:45,820 man. Both of those just really, 191 00:11:46,570 --> 00:11:51,130 you know, you know, I still do stuff on WSM FM, you know, from 192 00:11:51,220 --> 00:11:54,850 time to time, and you know, Memorial Day, you know, whenever 193 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,350 I'm on the air, Memorial Day, that one's always a go-to. I 194 00:11:59,530 --> 00:11:59,740 mean, 195 00:12:00,850 --> 00:12:02,670 that's how do you get 196 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,920 through that song, that's a 197 00:12:05,010 --> 00:12:05,520 great.. did it one 198 00:12:06,329 --> 00:12:12,689 time at Arlington Cemetery. It was at the dirt just before 199 00:12:12,749 --> 00:12:15,809 Christmas when they put out all the wreaths on all the.. you 200 00:12:15,839 --> 00:12:18,149 know, that organization that does that.. I can't remember 201 00:12:18,209 --> 00:12:23,119 what the name of it is. Shame on me, but they put Reese on all 202 00:12:23,119 --> 00:12:26,809 the all the monuments there in Arlington, and they asked me to 203 00:12:26,869 --> 00:12:29,719 come up and do that song. That's, that's was the one time 204 00:12:29,839 --> 00:12:32,239 that I got so choked up that I just couldn't hardly get the 205 00:12:32,389 --> 00:12:35,539 words out, you know, and I had to actually just kind of speak 206 00:12:35,689 --> 00:12:38,569 some of it, because I couldn't sing. It was just, I was 207 00:12:38,659 --> 00:12:43,389 overwhelmed by the whole thing, you know, it just was too much. 208 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,370 I would imagine when you're in a situation like that, the 209 00:12:45,580 --> 00:12:47,650 audience has got to have - they're going to have grace for 210 00:12:47,740 --> 00:12:50,080 you, because I mean it's humanity. I did it at the 211 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,050 Ryman the other night, and it choked me up, you know, because 212 00:12:53,230 --> 00:12:58,060 I did two shows at the Ryman on Memorial Day weekend, and so I 213 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,140 did that song. I see, I, and I explained to them that night, on 214 00:13:01,290 --> 00:13:03,960 when I was on stage, I explained to the audience, this is a song 215 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,370 that you very few people have heard me do this song live, 216 00:13:08,370 --> 00:13:11,640 because, and there's a reason for that. I have such respect 217 00:13:11,820 --> 00:13:16,440 for this song, and I have such a reverence for the subject matter 218 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:20,780 of this song that I don't subject it to audiences that I 219 00:13:20,870 --> 00:13:22,070 don't think will listen 220 00:13:23,059 --> 00:13:23,359 to it, 221 00:13:23,450 --> 00:13:26,060 if they're not going to listen to it with that kind of 222 00:13:26,180 --> 00:13:30,020 reverence, then I won't do it. I don't do it in front of drunks, 223 00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:33,590 I don't do it at festivals, I don't do it anywhere that this 224 00:13:33,740 --> 00:13:37,490 song, because I swear, if I saw somebody down there goofing off 225 00:13:37,580 --> 00:13:39,800 in the middle of that song, I might jump off the stage and 226 00:13:39,830 --> 00:13:44,200 kick their amen, and I don't want to have to do that. I don't 227 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:44,650 blame you, 228 00:13:45,310 --> 00:13:48,910 so I don't do that song very often. I do it at Memorial, I do 229 00:13:48,970 --> 00:13:55,150 it on Memorial Day, and I do it when veterans organizations ask 230 00:13:55,270 --> 00:13:58,030 me to. Yeah, and that's about the only time I'll ever do. 231 00:13:58,150 --> 00:14:00,570 So, the first time you heard that, the demo, or what have 232 00:14:00,690 --> 00:14:03,750 you, I mean, that had to have just reached out and grabbed 233 00:14:03,810 --> 00:14:04,020 you, huh? 234 00:14:04,110 --> 00:14:08,040 It killed me, man. And the story behind the song, you know, I 235 00:14:08,070 --> 00:14:09,990 don't know how much time y'all would have spent on this. Oh, 236 00:14:10,380 --> 00:14:12,330 definitely, as long as you wanted you. So, 237 00:14:12,510 --> 00:14:16,500 Dave Turnbull and Jeremy Spielman wrote that, and Dave 238 00:14:17,580 --> 00:14:21,320 had written a couple of big hits, and he wanted to go buy 239 00:14:21,500 --> 00:14:24,980 his mama a new car. She came to visit him. She lived in 240 00:14:25,070 --> 00:14:27,830 Arlington, Virginia, and she came to visit Dave. And so he 241 00:14:27,950 --> 00:14:31,910 took her downtown to a car dealership, and they took a test 242 00:14:31,940 --> 00:14:36,950 drive. And on the test drive, the salesman was in the back 243 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,560 seat, and he was like making small talk, how you know the way 244 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,400 they do, and asked her where she was from, and she said, I came 245 00:14:45,490 --> 00:14:50,170 to, I'm from Arlington, and he said, Oh, I have a son in 246 00:14:50,290 --> 00:14:52,960 Arlington, and she was like, what part, and he goes, no, he's 247 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,880 he's in Arlington Cemetery, and then he told them that story, 248 00:14:58,780 --> 00:15:02,160 basically of how he. His grandfather was a marine, and he 249 00:15:02,310 --> 00:15:06,930 was a marine, and then his son was a marine, Lance Corporal 250 00:15:07,020 --> 00:15:11,190 Patrick Nixon, who the song is about, and he got killed in 251 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,960 Afghanistan, and so his father, David Nixon, told Dave and his 252 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,050 mother that story, and Dave couldn't wait to get back to the 253 00:15:20,010 --> 00:15:25,100 car lot, so he could go home and try to write this song from this 254 00:15:25,190 --> 00:15:27,770 story that he had just been told, and he got together with 255 00:15:27,830 --> 00:15:31,280 Jeremy, and they wrote it together, and it was.. it's.. 256 00:15:32,540 --> 00:15:39,170 it's just an unbelievable song, and. and after we recorded it, I 257 00:15:39,230 --> 00:15:46,060 was so nervous about it. I didn't want it to seem like I 258 00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:51,010 was going to try to, you know, make money off of this tragedy, 259 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,960 and so we invited the family, David Nixon and his wife, and 260 00:15:56,020 --> 00:15:59,650 his other children and grandparents, and they all came 261 00:15:59,740 --> 00:16:02,190 downtown, and they came to Scott's office, and we played 262 00:16:02,340 --> 00:16:06,540 the song for him, and I said, before I played it, I said, "I'm 263 00:16:06,630 --> 00:16:09,270 not going to put this song out if I don't get your blessing, 264 00:16:09,930 --> 00:16:16,170 because it's about your son. And so, and this song came from the 265 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,100 story you told, and if you don't like it, we're not going to put 266 00:16:20,610 --> 00:16:24,350 it out, and we played it, and everybody sobbed, and we got 267 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:25,700 their blessing, and that was that. 268 00:16:26,420 --> 00:16:29,300 Well, I remember when you brought it to Phil Valentine's 269 00:16:29,450 --> 00:16:33,350 show, and we played it. You got emotional in the studio that you 270 00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:37,250 were sitting with me, and I was quite concerned about you, 271 00:16:38,630 --> 00:16:41,560 because I think I even asked you, you said this song, just, 272 00:16:42,430 --> 00:16:42,670 yeah, it 273 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:43,600 does, man, yeah, 274 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,580 and it does to anybody, yeah. Well, I 275 00:16:45,730 --> 00:16:48,220 admit, you know, I've been on the air playing it, and I can 276 00:16:48,250 --> 00:16:49,270 hardly key the mic. 277 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:49,900 Oh, I know, 278 00:16:50,140 --> 00:16:52,930 you know, because it does, it does get to you, man. And 279 00:16:52,990 --> 00:16:53,980 speaking of the should, 280 00:16:54,250 --> 00:16:58,180 speaking of the Phil Valentine show, on a more lighter side, we 281 00:16:58,390 --> 00:17:01,800 loved having you on anytime you were on, we always look forward 282 00:17:01,890 --> 00:17:04,740 to it, Phil and myself, because we thought the world of you. 283 00:17:04,950 --> 00:17:05,190 Well, 284 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:06,300 still, I still, the 285 00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:10,110 feelings mutual. I think the world of you, and I loved Phil 286 00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:11,130 Valentine. Oh, 287 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:11,850 you did, 288 00:17:12,030 --> 00:17:15,570 and you know, we had a great relationship, and he was so 289 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:22,100 funny, and so quick, and so witty, and anytime that you do 290 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:28,580 an interview with Phil, it was like sparring, it was, man, it 291 00:17:28,580 --> 00:17:29,120 was like doing the 292 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,400 radio show with him, it was like sparring. Can 293 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,640 I keep up with this guy? You know, that's all I was worried. 294 00:17:34,700 --> 00:17:38,030 There are a few people that do that to me. You had a few 295 00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:41,590 interviewers that are like that, man. And you just cannot cross 296 00:17:41,710 --> 00:17:44,410 swords with this guy and stay with him, you know, because he 297 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:45,160 was so funny. 298 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,660 We got the biggest kick because you left me a message one time, 299 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,410 and we recorded it. We, we used it on the air because it was 300 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,580 hilarious, because you were, you were, we were trying to get you 301 00:17:57,940 --> 00:18:03,450 on, and you left me a message, you said, Johnny, I want to find 302 00:18:03,540 --> 00:18:10,050 out what time your little radio show airs and what time you want 303 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:15,390 me on this little radio show that y'all do, and so we played 304 00:18:15,930 --> 00:18:19,530 it, and then after I got, after it got done, I said, Well, 305 00:18:19,650 --> 00:18:23,960 Trace, as soon as you get done with your little, your little 306 00:18:24,020 --> 00:18:27,650 hooting nanny, whatever, song, you know, playing that little 307 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:33,860 club you're in, about 230 if you can come in. We had more fun 308 00:18:33,950 --> 00:18:34,610 with you, man. 309 00:18:34,790 --> 00:18:40,390 Well, I always enjoyed talking with you guys, and Phil was, 310 00:18:40,930 --> 00:18:43,450 yeah, he was, he was a legend. 311 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,250 Well, and he was a good guy. And I also, I don't mind, I don't 312 00:18:48,490 --> 00:18:52,780 mean to get all heavy here, but I really appreciate when he 313 00:18:52,930 --> 00:18:57,160 passed away, because I was really, I didn't know what I was 314 00:18:57,190 --> 00:19:01,920 going to do. In fact, I felt like I wanted to leave radio, 315 00:19:02,250 --> 00:19:06,000 and really didn't know what to do, and you, you actually called 316 00:19:06,060 --> 00:19:11,070 me and gave me some good advice, and I really will never forget 317 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:11,400 that. 318 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,620 Well, I know what he meant to you, and I mean, you don't have 319 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,050 that kind of relationship with somebody for that extended 320 00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:22,730 period of time, and it not change your whole life and your 321 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:27,140 whole world whenever you lose that. Yeah, I knew you were 322 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,100 feeling like that. 323 00:19:28,790 --> 00:19:31,760 Well, I appreciate that, man. It meant a lot to me. And, well, 324 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,200 I've never forgotten it. 325 00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:33,770 Well, 326 00:19:34,250 --> 00:19:34,940 you're a good man. 327 00:19:35,090 --> 00:19:37,340 Those were some good days, man. Yeah, 328 00:19:37,460 --> 00:19:43,180 they were.. I remember one time I went to the rodeo with you, 329 00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:47,020 and you were in the car, and you said, 'Man, I thought you guys 330 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:51,880 were gonna get fired one time. Yeah, when we were doing that, 331 00:19:52,210 --> 00:19:53,530 still remember that. Yeah, it 332 00:19:53,529 --> 00:19:55,539 was the weather woman. Oh, don't even 333 00:19:55,660 --> 00:20:00,960 say her name. I won't, don't, I won't, but. She said it's gonna 334 00:20:01,020 --> 00:20:05,070 be, it's gonna be juicy out there, hot and juicy, hot and 335 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,420 juicy. Oh my gosh, and then they just started going 336 00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:12,540 over and over, and y'all just 337 00:20:13,079 --> 00:20:15,029 kept.. you wouldn't let it go. No, 338 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,290 we kept.. in fact, I said, I think I said, you know, I.. I 339 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,550 would gladly pay her to just wake me up that way. 340 00:20:24,410 --> 00:20:26,540 Local weather woman, yes. Really, 341 00:20:26,690 --> 00:20:27,650 yes. Somebody that's 342 00:20:27,710 --> 00:20:28,640 been around for a while, 343 00:20:29,060 --> 00:20:33,350 and she said those words, yes. And then they cut it out, and 344 00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:37,010 they just kept looping it for the rest of the show, and it 345 00:20:37,580 --> 00:20:40,690 really went too far. It really went too well. I was the guilty 346 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:41,170 party. 347 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,880 I thought you guys were gonna get fired. 348 00:20:47,710 --> 00:20:52,270 FCC was gonna come break the door down at some point. Now we 349 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:54,250 gotta know who it is. You don't want to say it. No, 350 00:20:54,580 --> 00:20:58,960 you don't. No, we're not gonna make it easy on these. 351 00:21:00,580 --> 00:21:02,040 I'm not Lisa. 352 00:21:12,510 --> 00:21:15,990 Y'all stepped over, tiptoed up to the line, and tiptoed over 353 00:21:16,830 --> 00:21:18,120 several times, especially 354 00:21:18,210 --> 00:21:22,760 dancing on the booth, man. That was old. Did you ever hear the 355 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:27,950 story about, well, it was Pamela first. She, she kind of, she, 356 00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:31,730 she kind of pissed me off one day because we were getting 357 00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:35,600 ready to do dance in the booth, and she calls me with an idea, 358 00:21:36,110 --> 00:21:38,000 right when we're getting ready to do dance in the booth. 359 00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:39,890 Pamela, I'm sorry, I'm telling this story, 360 00:21:40,370 --> 00:21:41,560 an idea for dancing 361 00:21:42,250 --> 00:21:47,470 right when we're starting, so I'm pissed off, and then I'm 362 00:21:47,530 --> 00:21:50,200 having problems with my ear. My earphone jack comes out. Well, I 363 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,920 forgot that I'd hit my mic, and I'm sitting there cussing like 364 00:21:53,980 --> 00:22:04,380 there's no tomorrow. Actually, Phil doing this. It, we had some 365 00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:05,310 times on that show, 366 00:22:06,210 --> 00:22:06,570 you guys, 367 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:14,010 and he actually cut a great promo for us. I forget what he's 368 00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:15,390 probably got the voice for it. Oh, he did, 369 00:22:16,170 --> 00:22:20,040 I think I ended it with, or I'll kill you. Yeah, listen to the 370 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:20,180 Phil 371 00:22:20,270 --> 00:22:20,990 Valentine's show 372 00:22:25,460 --> 00:22:27,740 played it all the time. Yes, we did. We 373 00:22:27,980 --> 00:22:29,900 played that a lot, man. Jay, is it 374 00:22:29,930 --> 00:22:31,820 weird to have somebody in here that's got a deeper voice? Oh, 375 00:22:31,970 --> 00:22:35,330 no, no, not at all, not at all. It just makes us feel like 376 00:22:35,450 --> 00:22:46,720 little boys, doesn't it? Don't whip me, Daddy. It was 377 00:22:46,810 --> 00:22:49,870 fun to hang out with at the rodeo. That was my wife's first 378 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:50,290 rodeo. 379 00:22:52,090 --> 00:22:52,870 It wasn't your first. 380 00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:56,260 No, I've done.. I've.. I grew up in Kansas. 381 00:22:56,650 --> 00:22:57,340 Yeah, I just 382 00:22:57,460 --> 00:23:06,510 set up a new production company, and I called it Fifth Rodeo logo 383 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,780 for it is a cowboy on a bucking horse holding the fifth of 384 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,950 whiskey. Any 385 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,590 plans to do something like a podcast or anything like that? 386 00:23:19,050 --> 00:23:21,410 Yeah, a lot of people ask me about that all the time, but I 387 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,310 just, you know, I don't, I don't, I just, I don't need that 388 00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:28,970 kind of pressure, need to try to find something cool to talk 389 00:23:29,060 --> 00:23:31,640 about every day, because there are days I don't have anything 390 00:23:31,730 --> 00:23:55,090 cool to talk about, obviously I'm heading back to me. me off a 391 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:57,400 tractor and brought me down here. We talked 392 00:23:57,430 --> 00:24:00,630 about, you know, Lululemons and voiceovers. See, there you go, 393 00:24:00,810 --> 00:24:06,870 good examples, good examples of just the 394 00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:08,190 degradation here. 395 00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:15,240 Well, you know, I love the farm life, but I also love the 396 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,810 ultimate cowboy showdown. That had to be a lot of fun to do. 397 00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:24,560 It was fun. It was fun to do the stuff, it was like sometimes 398 00:24:24,650 --> 00:24:28,520 though I felt bad, I felt bad for those guys and girls, 399 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,630 because man, that was a rough, it was a tough show, 400 00:24:33,170 --> 00:24:33,230 yeah, 401 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,140 and the challenges and the things that they had to do 402 00:24:37,580 --> 00:24:40,490 sometimes were putting those horses in danger, 403 00:24:40,820 --> 00:24:40,870 yeah, 404 00:24:41,530 --> 00:24:44,890 and I won't see them hurt their horses just to be in this 405 00:24:45,070 --> 00:24:48,940 competition little show, and I didn't, I just didn't think that 406 00:24:48,970 --> 00:24:53,680 the prize money was enough for what these people were risking 407 00:24:53,890 --> 00:24:59,560 on that show, and it, it bothered me sometimes to ask 408 00:24:59,620 --> 00:25:04,650 them to. Some of the things that I asked them to do, I thought 409 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,220 some of it went just a little too far, and I started voicing 410 00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:13,170 my disapproval about some of that stuff, but yeah, it was 411 00:25:13,260 --> 00:25:13,470 fun. 412 00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:14,910 Well, it looked like it. 413 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,700 We got to go to some cool places, and I met some really 414 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,170 cool people, and there are still real cowboys out there, 415 00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:22,430 yeah, there are, whether 416 00:25:22,460 --> 00:25:25,400 you believe it or not. I mean, they're still out there. 417 00:25:25,940 --> 00:25:28,250 In fact, you know, that was always my dream to be a cowboy, 418 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,480 but I've never, no way, I would have made it. Asthmatic cowboy, 419 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,550 don't think that's gonna happen, you know. 420 00:25:34,970 --> 00:25:38,450 And some on some of those, you know, those big ranches, I mean, 421 00:25:38,540 --> 00:25:42,670 they're, yeah, they're things today that make it easier and 422 00:25:43,060 --> 00:25:47,920 more efficient, and you know, machines do a lot, but there's 423 00:25:47,980 --> 00:25:51,880 still just some things that you cannot do without a horse and a 424 00:25:52,090 --> 00:25:52,270 cowboy. 425 00:25:52,570 --> 00:25:53,050 That's right, 426 00:25:53,170 --> 00:25:55,600 there's some things in the ranching business that have to 427 00:25:55,630 --> 00:25:59,500 be done off horseback. There's no other way to do it, really. 428 00:25:59,740 --> 00:26:03,840 Yeah, you know, so yeah, there's still some of them out there. 429 00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:06,810 Yeah, being on the ATV ain't gonna cut it for everything. 430 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,950 Plus, I loved your Christmas show that I got to see. Yeah, 431 00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:18,090 man, we love because that year I was not in the Christmas spirit. 432 00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:22,250 I was just kind of wasn't feeling it, wasn't getting into 433 00:26:22,670 --> 00:26:27,890 it. Phil couldn't go, so he gave me his, his, I guess, ticket to 434 00:26:28,010 --> 00:26:33,020 go, and my wife and I went, and my gosh, we enjoyed it. God, 435 00:26:33,050 --> 00:26:36,290 that was a.. I love the way you did it, the whole production of 436 00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:39,500 it, and plus you stepped out of your comfort zone. You were 437 00:26:39,620 --> 00:26:40,340 playing a lot of. 438 00:26:40,610 --> 00:26:47,710 it was more Celtic one man play most not just not just a musical 439 00:26:47,890 --> 00:26:51,790 thing, it was, you know, yeah, it was. I had a lot of dialog 440 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,110 that I had to remember, and all the anecdotes, and you know, the 441 00:26:56,140 --> 00:27:00,600 stories about how these songs came to be, and I thought it was 442 00:27:01,410 --> 00:27:04,290 doing the research to put that together. It was fascinating, 443 00:27:04,350 --> 00:27:08,730 and that's my favorite show that I've ever done. I love doing 444 00:27:08,790 --> 00:27:13,920 that, and for the same reason, because every night we'd finish 445 00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:17,940 that show, and I was in the Christmas spirit, ready. It felt 446 00:27:18,060 --> 00:27:21,020 good to me, and I, you know, I don't know, man. I think it kind 447 00:27:21,020 --> 00:27:26,900 of goes back to my gospel roots and my gospel days, you know? I 448 00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:31,070 mean, I felt good about what I had just done when I got off the 449 00:27:31,220 --> 00:27:32,720 stage after doing that Christmas show. 450 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:33,140 Yeah, 451 00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:36,470 you know, there's.. I got a little bit of a Johnny Paycheck 452 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,830 thing. I get off the stage and I just, you know, did Badonkadonk, 453 00:27:41,950 --> 00:27:49,690 and it's like, you know, yeah, I'm sorry, Lord, chicks digging, 454 00:27:49,780 --> 00:28:00,750 walking outside, yeah, but it's not the most.. I don't know, I'm 455 00:28:00,870 --> 00:28:04,110 not changing, I'm not changing people's lives with the stupid 456 00:28:04,170 --> 00:28:07,710 stuff I do, but you know it's fun. 457 00:28:08,670 --> 00:28:11,790 Well, you mentioned how you had to remember a lot of dialog and 458 00:28:11,850 --> 00:28:15,180 stuff. I mean, is has that been a struggle for you to remember 459 00:28:15,330 --> 00:28:17,520 lines and things, or does that come easy to you? 460 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,340 It does come pretty easy, man. Yeah, I think maybe you know 461 00:28:24,380 --> 00:28:28,070 being a singer and entertainer for all these years, you know, 462 00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:34,430 it helps in remembering dialog, just like you have to remember 463 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:39,770 lyrics, I guess maybe that's helped me some over the years, 464 00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:43,660 but it's always come pretty easy to me, remembering my lines. 465 00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:47,830 Yeah, have you had directors that are just insistent that you 466 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,270 remember it word for word? Yes, or can you get those that are 467 00:28:52,330 --> 00:28:56,380 like, hey, just give us the essence of the part? In some 468 00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:58,240 ways, with respect to dialog, 469 00:28:58,510 --> 00:29:03,870 most of the time they want you to stay pretty close. I've been 470 00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:08,820 on some things where I took some liberties, and usually they 471 00:29:08,910 --> 00:29:12,480 didn't mind too much, but I've been on some where you know 472 00:29:12,660 --> 00:29:16,740 you'd do it, you'd do a take, and then script supervisor comes 473 00:29:16,860 --> 00:29:21,260 around with the folder, this is what you're supposed to say, not 474 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,680 what you just said, whatever that was, you're supposed to say 475 00:29:24,980 --> 00:29:28,280 this. It's like, I don't like that. Yeah, but you got to say 476 00:29:28,460 --> 00:29:30,770 it, okay? You know, so whatever, 477 00:29:30,860 --> 00:29:32,480 you're signing the checks, yeah. 478 00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:35,150 Some of them are really adamant about it, 479 00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:36,350 yeah. And that 480 00:29:36,410 --> 00:29:37,790 usually comes from the writers, 481 00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:38,150 yeah. 482 00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:42,160 You know, usually if one of the producers or the director was 483 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,750 also the writer. Then they're really hardcore about it, and 484 00:29:46,780 --> 00:29:49,570 you're not the only actor in the, in your household. You've 485 00:29:49,630 --> 00:29:51,700 got, oh no, my wife got a beautiful.. 486 00:29:52,450 --> 00:29:53,410 she's the actor in that 487 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,250 man. She is.. you talk about a cool gal. 488 00:29:57,790 --> 00:29:58,510 Yeah, she's great. 489 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,360 She is really glad you got. Meet 490 00:30:00,750 --> 00:30:01,800 on a movie set, 491 00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:04,020 Virginian, the Virginian, yeah, 492 00:30:04,290 --> 00:30:09,750 doing the Virginian in Vancouver, and yeah, she was on 493 00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:12,990 set for two or three days, maybe. I don't know, that's 494 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,520 where we met, yeah. 495 00:30:14,970 --> 00:30:18,390 I can see why you fell for she is a beautiful gal, and she is 496 00:30:18,510 --> 00:30:21,800 also very down to earth, not what I was expecting, 497 00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:25,309 and very talented too. Oh, yeah, she's a great writer, she's a 498 00:30:25,339 --> 00:30:29,749 great actor, she's, yeah, she's all the stuff, 499 00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:35,780 and plus anybody that names their dog Gary Busey, and he 500 00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:39,590 looks like Gary Busey, that's why he's named Gary Busey, he 501 00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:40,480 looks just like him, 502 00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:46,090 we were, we were doing, I was pulling a float in the Christmas 503 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,580 parade years ago, six or seven years ago now, and she 504 00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:56,920 volunteers at a, at a shelter there locally, close to the 505 00:30:57,010 --> 00:31:00,190 house, and you know, she likes to work with animals and stuff, 506 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,930 so anyway, they had a float in the parade, and they had all 507 00:31:03,930 --> 00:31:07,620 these dogs that they're trying to find homes for, and and she 508 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,970 had this tiny little dog in her hands, and she comes up to the 509 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,870 truck, I'm pulling the float in the parade, and she comes up and 510 00:31:15,930 --> 00:31:18,840 says, "Look at this little dog, and I looked at him, and he's 511 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,950 got this blonde thing that sticks up on the top of his 512 00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:26,270 head, this crazy blonde hair, and at the time he had his, he, 513 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,050 he still had his puppy teeth, but his big teeth were coming in 514 00:31:30,140 --> 00:31:33,140 too, so he had like two sets of teeth in his mouth. She brought 515 00:31:33,170 --> 00:31:35,450 him up to the truck, and his teeth were sticking out, and his 516 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,510 hair was sticking up, and he looked like Gary Busey's mug 517 00:31:38,660 --> 00:31:46,540 shot. And so I said, wow, that dog looks like Gary Busey, and 518 00:31:46,540 --> 00:31:50,290 we took him home that day, and that was his name, 519 00:31:52,270 --> 00:31:54,220 fitting, he's 520 00:31:54,370 --> 00:32:01,560 crazy like Gary, that dog's a trip, but she's great. Yeah, 521 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,780 now you had mentioned that you're writing a song for the 522 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,490 250th anniversary of the country. 523 00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:07,170 I wrote it, we already got it, 524 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,760 already got it, releasing it for that purpose. Any thoughts on 525 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,330 the, like, a lot of hullabaloo and controversies been coming 526 00:32:15,390 --> 00:32:19,320 around the Freedom 250 concert recently, and people speaking 527 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,760 for it, and dropping out, and all that fun stuff, is have you 528 00:32:22,820 --> 00:32:25,070 been asked to be a part of it? Are they, have they finalized 529 00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:25,490 the list? 530 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,360 I don't know. I don't know anything about that stuff, man. 531 00:32:30,170 --> 00:32:36,980 I'm doing.. I've done the PBS Fourth of July celebration on 532 00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:40,780 the in front of the Capitol Building. I've done that show 533 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,840 several times over the years, and they reached out and wanted 534 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,750 me to be a part of this year, and so I signed on to do that, 535 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,760 probably in the winter. 536 00:32:48,970 --> 00:32:49,510 Yeah, right, 537 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,820 you know. So I'm doing that, and I'd already told them that I was 538 00:32:54,910 --> 00:32:57,430 going to do that, and then when somebody reached out to me to do 539 00:32:57,790 --> 00:33:01,830 something, and then when Trump's thing came along, they had to 540 00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:05,190 move the july 4 PBS thing to the third. 541 00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:05,550 Oh, wow, 542 00:33:06,090 --> 00:33:08,820 you know, because they didn't want to be in competition with 543 00:33:09,210 --> 00:33:11,580 that, because that show was supposed to be on television, 544 00:33:11,730 --> 00:33:11,910 right? 545 00:33:12,570 --> 00:33:15,180 And that's that was that was what we were told a couple of 546 00:33:15,210 --> 00:33:15,570 months ago. 547 00:33:16,140 --> 00:33:16,200 Yeah, 548 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:19,050 so it actually give me in on the third, and I was like, cool, I 549 00:33:19,050 --> 00:33:22,790 don't care, whatever, you know. And now I don't know if that 550 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,970 thing's even still going to happen or not. Well, I think it 551 00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:32,510 is. Last I read that Trump named off the list of people, and it 552 00:33:32,540 --> 00:33:36,650 wasn't long. I mean, it was like Lee Greenwood. I don't see him 553 00:33:36,770 --> 00:33:38,630 on here. I see Flo Rida, Vanilla 554 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:39,020 Ice, 555 00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:44,350 Vanilla Ice, Young MC, CNC Music Factory, Martina, you know, she 556 00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:45,430 dropped out, yeah, 557 00:33:45,670 --> 00:33:47,650 yeah, Martina, yeah, she dropped out, she's the 558 00:33:47,770 --> 00:33:49,600 only real country artist on there, yeah, 559 00:33:50,590 --> 00:33:54,520 but he basically said, well, you know, I don't need them, you 560 00:33:54,550 --> 00:33:57,550 know, I'm more popular, wonderful, it's gonna be great 561 00:33:57,580 --> 00:34:02,560 because I'll be there, your favorite president does 562 00:34:02,590 --> 00:34:05,610 a great impression to him, is John Rich Desi Rollins. Oh my 563 00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:08,220 gosh, he's freaking, yeah, spot on. I 564 00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:12,720 tell you, the best one I've ever heard, actually, is I forget the 565 00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:14,580 guy's name, it's Sean's, yeah, Sean. 566 00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:18,180 I follow him on social media, he is very.. he's a young guy, too. 567 00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:18,570 Yeah, 568 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,669 and he.. I was listening to Michael Del Giorno show, and it 569 00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:25,789 was the first time I turned it on, and it was a Friday, and all 570 00:34:25,879 --> 00:34:29,299 of a sudden I hear the presidential thing go on, and 571 00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:32,899 all of a sudden thinking, good God, he got Donald Trump on, 572 00:34:33,439 --> 00:34:36,859 because the guy does a spot on, I mean, it sounds just like him, 573 00:34:37,099 --> 00:34:42,099 yeah, sir, sir, that's what I love about Sean. I 574 00:34:42,130 --> 00:34:44,140 don't know who you're talking about. Yeah, I don't know 575 00:34:44,410 --> 00:34:44,950 either. I don't know 576 00:34:45,759 --> 00:34:47,199 the whoever his name is, Sean 577 00:34:47,590 --> 00:34:47,980 Farish. 578 00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:50,019 That's F A R A S 579 00:34:50,349 --> 00:34:53,349 H. Oh my god, he 580 00:34:53,470 --> 00:34:56,170 is really gosh. I think 581 00:34:56,230 --> 00:35:01,260 Trump is really kind of like doubled. Down on that, like that 582 00:35:01,350 --> 00:35:04,260 whole, he kind of embodies that impersonation. Yeah, like 583 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,530 Christopher Walken kind of just doubled down on all the people 584 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,450 impersonating him. Yes, after a while, 585 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:09,809 and 586 00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:12,959 he has started to, like, you know, really amping it up. I 587 00:35:13,049 --> 00:35:15,539 think Trump's doing the same thing. I think he is. Let me 588 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,009 tell you, you're gonna love it. You're gonna love it. It's 589 00:35:20,429 --> 00:35:22,309 wonderful. It's gonna be the greatest thing you ever seen. 590 00:35:25,069 --> 00:35:28,939 Trump were talking about cereal. I'm bigger than Elvis, I think. 591 00:35:28,999 --> 00:35:30,679 He said that he's 592 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:34,910 unlike Elvis. In fact, he said I'm more popular than Elvis. 593 00:35:35,060 --> 00:35:41,200 Actually, that takes some, that takes some cojones 594 00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:48,100 trip. I was sitting in the back of his Rolls Royce limo one day, 595 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:53,740 I was after I'd won The Apprentice, or anyway, and he 596 00:35:53,830 --> 00:35:57,790 wanted me to come back and just be a judge on one of the things, 597 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,850 and sit with him in the room to tell whoever is fired, whatever, 598 00:36:03,630 --> 00:36:07,500 and so we were going to pull up to this venue and then get out 599 00:36:07,530 --> 00:36:10,710 of the car and go inside, and of course the directors and the 600 00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:13,110 producers are up there setting all this stuff up like they 601 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,020 always do, and it takes forever, and so we're just sitting in the 602 00:36:16,050 --> 00:36:19,080 car waiting, just he and I sitting in the back of the limo, 603 00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:24,890 he looks over at me. He goes, "Trace, are you reasonably 604 00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:33,290 faithful to your wife? That's what he asked me. You know, and 605 00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:40,850 I was like, "Dude, you know, I've found they're not ever 606 00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:44,620 reasonable, you know. it's pretty good, 607 00:36:47,799 --> 00:36:54,099 and if you're not, you better be very rich. He's got to be an 608 00:36:54,189 --> 00:36:55,539 interesting character to be, he 609 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:02,340 is, man. Yeah. Oh my gosh, and, and, and Junior, he's a cool, I 610 00:37:02,460 --> 00:37:05,340 like Junior, and he, we were talking one day, and I was like, 611 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:12,630 "Man, let me ask you something, what exactly do you do? And he 612 00:37:13,290 --> 00:37:16,500 said, "You'll know the truth. I was like, "Yeah. He goes, "I 613 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:25,490 follow him around and put fires out, that's what I do, tough 614 00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:27,710 gig, 615 00:37:30,260 --> 00:37:30,410 right? 616 00:37:34,669 --> 00:37:38,119 Didn't you one time when Trump was running for president, you 617 00:37:38,299 --> 00:37:42,289 asked him if he was really serious? Yeah, 618 00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:46,870 I didn't, I didn't think he was really going to do it, yeah. I 619 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:47,890 really didn't. And you 620 00:37:48,010 --> 00:37:51,550 wanted, you wanted a cabinet post. I do remember that, yeah. 621 00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:54,519 Well, I wanted to be ambassador to Australia, 622 00:37:54,849 --> 00:37:54,909 yeah. 623 00:37:55,450 --> 00:37:56,830 Yeah, I thought that'd be a good gig. 624 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,010 I thought you wanted to be the office of hell no, 625 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:09,240 yeah. If not that, I'll take Ambassador to Australia. Yeah, 626 00:38:09,570 --> 00:38:12,000 he's always been good to me, man. He's always been good to my 627 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:15,780 family. He's just always been, yeah, he's always been good to 628 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,750 me. And that, and that's how I judge him, too. You know, 629 00:38:18,990 --> 00:38:22,310 people, you know, they, they have their opinions, and they 630 00:38:22,850 --> 00:38:26,240 treat him the way they want to, and they think he's whatever 631 00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:30,140 they think he is. You know, I, he's always been good to me. 632 00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:33,320 Yeah, you know, he's always been fair to me. He's always been 633 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,160 good to my family. And you know, you say what you want about 634 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,350 Trump, but I'll tell you this: he's, you know, he's not evil, 635 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,530 right? There are people out there that think that, well, 636 00:38:44,530 --> 00:38:44,890 he's not 637 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:45,520 Hitler, that he's 638 00:38:45,850 --> 00:38:47,380 this sinister bad guy. 639 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:47,860 Yeah, 640 00:38:48,339 --> 00:38:54,039 he's not. He's a rich old asshole, that's what he is. 641 00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:56,739 Well, and you just.. there's nothing sinister, there's 642 00:38:56,829 --> 00:39:00,449 nothing evil here. There's.. he's not trying to take over the 643 00:39:00,629 --> 00:39:03,329 world, he's just a rich old asshole, and he's used to 644 00:39:03,389 --> 00:39:06,689 getting things done the way he wants them done, and getting his 645 00:39:06,839 --> 00:39:10,199 way, and, and you know, it really makes him mad when he 646 00:39:10,319 --> 00:39:10,769 doesn't. 647 00:39:11,010 --> 00:39:11,070 Yeah, 648 00:39:11,669 --> 00:39:11,729 yeah. 649 00:39:11,940 --> 00:39:14,160 Well, you know, I mean, property, property development 650 00:39:14,190 --> 00:39:20,010 in New York, you know, you got to be ruthless, and in many 651 00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:24,200 ways, you know, yeah, and as you say, man, it's like, you know, 652 00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:27,470 he's used to getting stuff done and not all the BS that, 653 00:39:27,889 --> 00:39:27,949 yeah, 654 00:39:28,249 --> 00:39:29,989 that Washington brings with it. Oh 655 00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:34,760 God, I can't imagine any.. see, that's what you got to give the 656 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,180 guy credit, because anybody that would want to put up with that 657 00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:42,790 BS in Washington, DC, all the crap that goes on there. Good 658 00:39:43,210 --> 00:39:44,530 Lord, not me. No way, man. I 659 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:45,130 mean, 660 00:39:45,789 --> 00:39:48,099 and he doesn't have to. That's the whole thing. He doesn't have 661 00:39:48,249 --> 00:39:50,439 to. People forget that. Yeah, 662 00:39:51,130 --> 00:39:57,490 no, he doesn't have to. But shoot, man, I mean, he is an 663 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,890 arrogant dude, man. Oh, yeah, he is every. 664 00:40:00,029 --> 00:40:00,599 Somebody, yeah, 665 00:40:00,899 --> 00:40:01,799 you know, and you know, 666 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,250 I got to meet him, and I was part of a press junket in South 667 00:40:05,340 --> 00:40:09,180 Carolina, and went up on his plane, and met him, and he 668 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,750 showed us the plane, and all that, and the guy couldn't have 669 00:40:12,780 --> 00:40:16,890 been any more, oh yeah, funny and warm and friendly, you know, 670 00:40:17,010 --> 00:40:21,200 the total antithesis of the image he puts out there, you 671 00:40:21,260 --> 00:40:22,100 know, it smells like 672 00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:24,980 super engaging. Yeah, he is. Yeah, he 673 00:40:25,249 --> 00:40:29,779 is. Yeah, yeah. I got to go up to his.. how to his.. I don't 674 00:40:29,809 --> 00:40:31,099 want to call it, you know, his 675 00:40:31,669 --> 00:40:31,999 pen house. 676 00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:37,880 Yeah, that's unbelievable. But he was very kind to me, and 677 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,220 toured his offices, and all that stuff with him, and walked along 678 00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:46,090 with him, and, and he's very, very proud, rightfully so, of 679 00:40:46,270 --> 00:40:51,370 what, what he's built, and, and he's just, but he's still, he, 680 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,600 you know, he's, he's a jokester, and he's, he's, he's got a great 681 00:40:55,690 --> 00:40:56,260 sense of humor, 682 00:40:56,650 --> 00:40:57,220 yeah, he does, you 683 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:57,340 know, 684 00:40:57,819 --> 00:41:00,429 yeah, and I think a lot of what he puts out, all that hyperbole, 685 00:41:00,759 --> 00:41:04,859 it's, it's a joke, yeah. And people don't get it, no, 686 00:41:05,010 --> 00:41:08,610 they don't, yeah, don't. And he's always like, yeah, it's 687 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,580 like the Greenland thing, you know? People freaked out, oh my 688 00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:15,510 god, he's going to take over Greenland. No, he's not. He says 689 00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:19,380 he is, so that he can maybe do this, 690 00:41:19,739 --> 00:41:20,189 yeah, this 691 00:41:20,489 --> 00:41:23,269 one little thing that he's trying to get done, like maybe 692 00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:26,719 he wants to put a new base on Greenland, or whatever, and so 693 00:41:26,809 --> 00:41:32,899 he comes out and says, I'm going to take Greenland, that's not 694 00:41:33,019 --> 00:41:35,239 really what he wanted to do, we're going to 695 00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:41,590 make Canada the 51st that's right, same thing, it was a 696 00:41:41,650 --> 00:41:42,400 negotiating 697 00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:46,030 trick. Yeah, he does that stuff all the time. Yeah, he always 698 00:41:46,090 --> 00:41:47,050 has. Shooting for the 699 00:41:47,110 --> 00:41:50,560 moon, landing on the roof, that's it. You ever seen the 700 00:41:50,980 --> 00:41:53,500 Dave Chappelle bit that he does about Trump? And he says, 'Look, 701 00:41:53,530 --> 00:41:56,350 I get it, I understand. He says, 'But one thing you guys aren't 702 00:41:56,380 --> 00:41:59,890 missing is what happened in that debate in 2016 He did something 703 00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:04,050 nobody else did, and that was when she was trying to corner 704 00:42:04,110 --> 00:42:07,170 him on all the loopholes with the taxes and everything. He 705 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,670 completely like tai chi to her and absorbed her blow and put it 706 00:42:11,730 --> 00:42:14,370 right back on her and said, "Yeah, absolutely, I do this, 707 00:42:14,430 --> 00:42:18,270 and so do your friends, and it was like nobody's ever hurt. I'm 708 00:42:18,330 --> 00:42:21,170 like, "You know, he's not wrong. I mean, that was a.. that was 709 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,720 like a, like, ripping the curtain off, man. Well, I think 710 00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:23,900 that's 711 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,250 why, that's why so many people voted for him, right? That, that 712 00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:31,730 this guy wasn't afraid, right, like the other politicians, to 713 00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:34,430 call, yeah, you know, yeah. And he 714 00:42:34,460 --> 00:42:36,380 says, you know, you've been in charge this whole time, and you 715 00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:39,620 did nothing about it. You were using the tax code, according to 716 00:42:39,650 --> 00:42:41,890 what's written there. This is the law. This is, we're going to 717 00:42:41,890 --> 00:42:44,680 use the loopholes as they say we can use them. And guess what, 718 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,890 all your donors do the same thing, and you've been in charge 719 00:42:47,950 --> 00:42:49,960 this whole time, and you didn't do a damn thing about 720 00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:50,409 it. 721 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:50,740 So, 722 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,460 well, I loved the.. I loved the first debate with the 723 00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:59,590 Republicans when Rand Paul, God bless him, was going to try to, 724 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:04,560 which I thought this is not going to work, and my wife, 725 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,500 because at the time I really wanted Rand Paul, I liked him. 726 00:43:07,619 --> 00:43:07,679 Yeah, 727 00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:12,750 and my wife asked me before we watched it, Who you for? I said 728 00:43:12,780 --> 00:43:17,040 I'm for Rand Paul. Nobody gets it. And after Rand Paul gets up 729 00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:21,110 there and starts trying to get Trump, and Trump said I donated 730 00:43:21,260 --> 00:43:26,420 1000s of millions of dollars to his campaign, and it just kind 731 00:43:26,450 --> 00:43:31,370 of made Ron Paul just go, and my wife looked at me. She goes, 732 00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:32,150 'You're for him. 733 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:35,750 He was just knocked out. 734 00:43:38,059 --> 00:43:39,019 I think you're out of luck. 735 00:43:41,060 --> 00:43:42,070 His goose has been cooked. Yeah, 736 00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:53,050 well, Trace, I mean, I know you're, you're part of a label 737 00:43:53,170 --> 00:43:54,670 off a broken bow, now are you? No, 738 00:43:55,060 --> 00:43:55,120 no, 739 00:43:55,420 --> 00:43:59,680 you're okay. What are you self-labeled at the moment? 740 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,610 How's that working? I mean, you know, because things, as we 741 00:44:02,670 --> 00:44:06,720 know, have changed in that, in that world, in the record label 742 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:07,680 world these days. No, 743 00:44:07,890 --> 00:44:14,430 I was at Capital, and then I was at Capital for 10 or 12 years, I 744 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:20,180 guess, something like that. And then Toby, I was talking to Toby 745 00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:23,390 one day, and he was like, "Hey, man, Universal just, you know, 746 00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:30,050 offered me however many millions of dollars to do this joint 747 00:44:30,110 --> 00:44:31,760 venture with Show Dog, and yeah, 748 00:44:32,090 --> 00:44:32,270 right, 749 00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:36,920 and you know, they made me an offer I couldn't understand, so 750 00:44:38,060 --> 00:44:42,850 I was like, you need some help spending that money, he was 751 00:44:42,940 --> 00:44:46,570 like, yeah, so I went to Show Dog, and I was there for a few 752 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:50,170 years. Then I went to Broken Bow, yeah, and I was over there 753 00:44:50,260 --> 00:44:53,620 for a while, and then I was on Verge, and, and you know, on my 754 00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:58,000 30th anniversary, I was like, I would like to go back home and 755 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,850 finish where I started. And so I signed. There is no capital here 756 00:45:02,940 --> 00:45:06,510 in Nashville anymore, but MCA, right, right, yeah. Took it, 757 00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:15,030 yeah. So, so capital is in the whole MCA Virgin thing. So I 758 00:45:15,150 --> 00:45:19,530 signed with them, and I'll put out an album this year, and I 759 00:45:19,860 --> 00:45:21,800 don't know, yeah, maybe the last one I do. 760 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:22,490 Okay, 761 00:45:22,729 --> 00:45:25,849 and I wanted to, I wanted it to be back where I started. 762 00:45:26,029 --> 00:45:26,239 Right, 763 00:45:27,769 --> 00:45:30,709 as far as new artists go, are there any out there that are 764 00:45:30,799 --> 00:45:31,189 turning you 765 00:45:32,780 --> 00:45:36,260 on? I don't, man, I just don't pay enough attention to it to 766 00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:42,310 give an educated answer to that. You know, I like Ella Langley. I 767 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,250 love her. Oh, I think she's great. I love her voice. It's 768 00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:47,440 got that sultry thing. Yes, it does. Plus, 769 00:45:47,649 --> 00:45:49,269 she's just drop dead gorgeous. 770 00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:53,679 She's got everything, got every every tool is in her toolbox. 771 00:45:53,949 --> 00:45:54,039 Well, 772 00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:58,210 you're not. I love the Shine. Have you seen the Shiner beer ad 773 00:45:58,270 --> 00:46:01,980 she does, where she kicks the bottle and the top pops off, 774 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,420 it's just.. it's just, and she's not even trying to be sexy, but 775 00:46:06,450 --> 00:46:09,330 it's sexy. It's like, man, this girl's got it all, 776 00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:12,119 and she's country. Yes, yep. 777 00:46:12,269 --> 00:46:14,699 There's certainly.. in fact, Dan Mandal and I on this 778 00:46:15,389 --> 00:46:19,349 very, very program made a bet because he said, 'Well, she's 779 00:46:19,409 --> 00:46:22,189 going to go the route of Taylor Swift, I said she will not. I 780 00:46:22,339 --> 00:46:23,839 guarantee you, she'll stay country. 781 00:46:24,379 --> 00:46:27,199 I don't know about all that stuff. I just think she's good, 782 00:46:27,319 --> 00:46:32,569 and I don't.. I just don't keep up with much of it anymore, you 783 00:46:32,629 --> 00:46:37,279 know. I don't even know. I have guys opening for me or closing 784 00:46:37,369 --> 00:46:42,669 for me these days, and I don't even know who they are. Who the 785 00:46:42,789 --> 00:46:46,629 hell Shaboozy? Sorry, it hurts your feelings, but I have no 786 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,510 idea who you are. I 787 00:46:49,570 --> 00:46:51,730 thought you were a new brand of whiskey, that's what I thought 788 00:46:51,790 --> 00:46:52,420 Shaboozy was. 789 00:46:56,349 --> 00:46:59,769 You know, I started country radio 1978 you know, and I'm 790 00:46:59,769 --> 00:47:02,759 more of a traditionalist at heart, I mean, you know, kind of 791 00:47:02,759 --> 00:47:06,119 like you, you know, my dad was the, you know, and he was oil 792 00:47:06,209 --> 00:47:08,699 field, you know, where that's why we moved to New Orleans from 793 00:47:08,789 --> 00:47:11,399 Texas, you know, to Orton oil fields down there, South 794 00:47:11,489 --> 00:47:14,579 Louisiana, but anyway, you know, I grew up on the Conway Twitty 795 00:47:14,759 --> 00:47:18,569 and the Merle Haggard and Buck Owens and all that stuff, I'm 796 00:47:18,749 --> 00:47:23,779 really liking what Zach Topp is doing traditional country 797 00:47:23,929 --> 00:47:27,469 artists, young man, that is hopefully will help swing that 798 00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:31,579 pendulum back a little bit toward the more traditional 799 00:47:31,699 --> 00:47:32,479 stuff. You know, 800 00:47:32,839 --> 00:47:33,769 I don't know, man. Yeah, 801 00:47:34,580 --> 00:47:38,390 it just.. it does seem to, you know, it's always been cyclical, 802 00:47:38,660 --> 00:47:39,230 that's for sure. 803 00:47:39,890 --> 00:47:40,630 It's always been that way, 804 00:47:40,990 --> 00:47:41,050 yeah. 805 00:47:41,319 --> 00:47:44,109 Any particular piece of advice you give to artists that are 806 00:47:44,169 --> 00:47:46,929 coming into, like, you've been there, you know where they are? 807 00:47:47,709 --> 00:47:49,269 What would you, I mean, especially with the changing 808 00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:54,339 landscape as it is with AI and live music, is basically going 809 00:47:54,339 --> 00:47:57,099 to be the main revenue stream of all what they're doing, and 810 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,860 well, and that's the only thing, too, that's left that the fans 811 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,960 actually know it's real, yeah, you know, and I, and even then, 812 00:48:06,990 --> 00:48:11,010 I mean, some people are lip syncing, and they're using 813 00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:15,150 tracks and all that kind of stuff, and it's like I always 814 00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:18,180 open my shows up, and I do three or four songs, and then I do my 815 00:48:18,330 --> 00:48:22,550 greetings and salutations, and I'm like, oh, by the way, this 816 00:48:22,550 --> 00:48:26,930 is us doing human stuff tonight. This is not.. I'm not lips.. if 817 00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:31,850 it sucks, if I suck, it's gonna suck. You're gonna hear it suck, 818 00:48:33,140 --> 00:48:36,170 you're gonna know that it's real, you know? And that I'm 819 00:48:36,350 --> 00:48:40,960 real.. we're here doing some real shit, you know, and you 820 00:48:40,990 --> 00:48:45,010 know that that's the only thing we have left, it's nothing that 821 00:48:45,130 --> 00:48:49,720 you hear anymore. I mean, you don't. It's hard. I got fooled 822 00:48:49,780 --> 00:48:53,710 the other day, somebody pitched me a song, and I thought it was 823 00:48:53,860 --> 00:48:54,040 real. 824 00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:54,369 Wow, 825 00:48:54,849 --> 00:49:00,219 and it was AI, and, and it, and it faked me out, man. And some 826 00:49:00,309 --> 00:49:01,379 of them, it's hard to tell. 827 00:49:01,860 --> 00:49:03,540 Oh, yeah, hard to.. well, there was 828 00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:04,650 one that Jay, 829 00:49:05,249 --> 00:49:05,309 yeah, 830 00:49:05,580 --> 00:49:06,810 got turned on to anything to 831 00:49:07,620 --> 00:49:08,190 me, man. And I 832 00:49:08,279 --> 00:49:12,659 even said, "Man, we need to get this guy on AI. Yeah, it was all 833 00:49:12,750 --> 00:49:13,710 bs. Yeah, 834 00:49:14,460 --> 00:49:14,520 yeah, 835 00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:15,210 breaking 836 00:49:15,989 --> 00:49:20,869 road. And so the landscape and the rules of the game have 837 00:49:21,019 --> 00:49:25,489 changed to the point that I don't even think I can give any 838 00:49:26,539 --> 00:49:30,529 good advice to anybody anymore. I'm such a dinosaur, I don't.. I 839 00:49:30,589 --> 00:49:34,309 don't even.. my advice used to be to the young guys coming up 840 00:49:34,429 --> 00:49:38,359 and girls was just don't spend your own money. Yeah, if anybody 841 00:49:38,449 --> 00:49:41,889 believes, if anybody really believes in you, they're gonna, 842 00:49:42,189 --> 00:49:44,979 they're gonna put the money in, and they're gonna pay to produce 843 00:49:45,099 --> 00:49:48,369 your record, or whatever. You shouldn't have to ever come out 844 00:49:48,369 --> 00:49:51,429 of your pocket and pay for any of that stuff, you know. If they 845 00:49:51,549 --> 00:49:54,879 believe in you, they're gonna pay for it. If they ask you for 846 00:49:55,149 --> 00:49:59,679 $1 you turn, walk away, because it's not, it's not good, you 847 00:49:59,739 --> 00:50:02,699 know. They don't really believe in you. If they did, they'd 848 00:50:02,759 --> 00:50:06,749 spend their own money, so you know that's been my advice over 849 00:50:06,809 --> 00:50:09,599 the years. But I don't even know if that even means anything 850 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,299 anymore. Yeah, you know, I don't know, man. 851 00:50:13,410 --> 00:50:15,960 So, are you ever going to write another book? Because I love.. 852 00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:16,650 I'll show 853 00:50:17,790 --> 00:50:19,440 it to the.. I don't know. I 854 00:50:19,530 --> 00:50:22,520 love this book, by the way, I thought was very, very well 855 00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:23,240 written, and 856 00:50:24,380 --> 00:50:29,390 man, I sat down with a couple of guys, they were twins, and it 857 00:50:29,390 --> 00:50:33,560 was really creepy and weird, because these two dudes were 858 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,470 those kind of twins that finished each other's sentences 859 00:50:37,820 --> 00:50:43,180 when they would talk, sit exactly the same way, and I was, 860 00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:46,480 I was on the West Coast, out doing a run out there, and so I 861 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:50,950 stayed over for a few days. I went out early and spent a few 862 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:56,950 days in Pasadena, cooped up in a bungalow out in big some big 863 00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,740 hotel out there with these two guys. We stayed several days 864 00:51:01,860 --> 00:51:05,160 there, and it was all day things all day for like four days in a 865 00:51:05,250 --> 00:51:09,240 row, and then at the end of my tour I was up in Washington 866 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,320 state somewhere, and they came up there and I spent like 867 00:51:13,380 --> 00:51:18,510 another week with them, and all it was was just us just trying 868 00:51:18,540 --> 00:51:20,580 to figure it, because they were writers and we were trying to 869 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,090 figure out how we were going, because I didn't know where to 870 00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:26,240 start, you know. My manager wanted me to write a book, and I 871 00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:29,480 was like, "Okay, well, I may have a story to tell, but I 872 00:51:29,870 --> 00:51:34,190 don't know how to tell it. So those two guys steered me 873 00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:37,070 through this thing, and this is how you do it, and this is where 874 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,200 you start, and this is, you want this roller coaster ride to do 875 00:51:41,770 --> 00:51:45,850 you know and they walked me through all of it and and helped 876 00:51:45,940 --> 00:51:52,750 me immensely and then they basically presented a book to me 877 00:51:53,380 --> 00:51:55,840 of everything that we had written and talked about for 878 00:51:55,900 --> 00:52:01,440 those two couple of weeks and then I took it and edited it and 879 00:52:01,650 --> 00:52:05,040 did my thing to it and changed some stuff and rewrote some 880 00:52:05,130 --> 00:52:10,560 stuff and and made it made it sound exactly like my voice and 881 00:52:11,700 --> 00:52:15,330 and that's how it ended up so I don't know if I have anything 882 00:52:15,450 --> 00:52:19,110 left really to say anymore I mean I thought some of that 883 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,650 stuff in that book was actually turned out to be pretty 884 00:52:21,740 --> 00:52:25,670 prophetic, yeah. Did looking back on it now, you know, 885 00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:29,600 especially with some of the immigration stuff, and those 886 00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:33,680 things I was on on the right path. 887 00:52:34,070 --> 00:52:38,240 Yeah, you were, and in fact, it, it for me personally, it really 888 00:52:38,330 --> 00:52:42,370 made me feel good, because during, like, I guess during 889 00:52:42,460 --> 00:52:46,660 2009 I didn't feel real good about the country, and this gave 890 00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:50,470 me hope. I thought, well, thank God somebody thinks this way, 891 00:52:53,860 --> 00:52:53,920 you 892 00:52:53,950 --> 00:52:58,090 know, and I was afraid to put the book out. I remember when 893 00:52:58,090 --> 00:53:01,020 the book was about to come out, it was about to be released, 894 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:06,450 and, and I was worried about it, and I called Charlie, and 895 00:53:07,230 --> 00:53:10,650 Charlie Danielson, because Charlie had, you know, Charlie 896 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,730 had written several books, man, and I called him, and Charlie, I 897 00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:17,070 need to talk to you about something, man, I'm worried 898 00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:20,300 about this book coming out, because I kind of, I laid it out 899 00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:25,730 there, man. I, you know, I bared my, you know, soul in this 900 00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:31,610 thing, and you know, I don't know how I think I'm gonna make 901 00:53:31,700 --> 00:53:33,800 some enemies, and people aren't gonna like me because of this 902 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,690 book. And he was like, "Son, he said, "Let me tell you 903 00:53:38,780 --> 00:53:43,750 something, the people that may read that book and not like you 904 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,660 because of what you wrote in that book. Let me tell you 905 00:53:46,750 --> 00:53:53,410 something, they don't like you now, he said, because there's no 906 00:53:53,620 --> 00:53:55,360 secret of who or what you are. 907 00:53:55,900 --> 00:53:55,960 Yeah, 908 00:53:56,499 --> 00:54:00,459 and all your fans know who you are and what you stand for, and, 909 00:54:00,759 --> 00:54:03,629 and your first of all, people that aren't your fans aren't 910 00:54:03,659 --> 00:54:06,029 going to read your book, so they don't care, 911 00:54:06,450 --> 00:54:06,510 yeah, 912 00:54:06,749 --> 00:54:08,819 and they're not going to read it, so what are you worried 913 00:54:08,849 --> 00:54:14,879 about? And I was like, he's, you're right, I'm so stupid, 914 00:54:14,939 --> 00:54:19,949 what was I worried about this, Charlie? Yeah, he was so great, 915 00:54:19,979 --> 00:54:20,299 man, he 916 00:54:20,449 --> 00:54:21,619 was a great guy, so 917 00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:25,759 wise and caring, and just he was, he was a great, great 918 00:54:25,789 --> 00:54:28,249 American, a great guy, and a great friend, and 919 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,180 great talent, 920 00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:33,800 everything, great writer, he was just, yeah, I loved him, yeah, 921 00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:42,220 singing at his funeral was, you know, a feather in my cap, you 922 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,570 know, glad I was able to do that, but yeah, he settled my 923 00:54:47,020 --> 00:54:51,430 nerves. He's like, don't worry about it, and he was right. 924 00:54:51,759 --> 00:54:53,649 Yeah, he was smart, man. 925 00:54:55,060 --> 00:54:59,560 I didn't sell enough of those books. Fill his hat up. Why was 926 00:54:59,650 --> 00:55:01,020 I wore. Worried about it in the first place. 927 00:55:04,890 --> 00:55:09,180 Well, I got one, so you 928 00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:10,650 did an audio book of that. 929 00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:13,290 No, yeah, I was gonna say 930 00:55:13,470 --> 00:55:13,860 another dude. 931 00:55:14,550 --> 00:55:17,610 Yeah, I don't even know. I guess the publisher, publisher, must 932 00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:24,200 even ask me about it. Yeah, read my book. Yeah, right. No 933 00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:28,340 wonder it didn't sell. Still do it. It would be better 934 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:29,270 in your voice. Yeah, 935 00:55:29,570 --> 00:55:30,320 well, I mean, because 936 00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:33,890 you got a great voice, man. You've got one of those, you've 937 00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:37,010 got one of those future Sam Elliott voices. 938 00:55:37,460 --> 00:55:40,480 He really does. Yeah, you really do. Both, you guys, man, 939 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,830 it's like it's all the way down the kneecap. Well, now you know 940 00:55:44,890 --> 00:55:45,670 me, you could record 941 00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:49,210 it here if you like. Oh, there you go. Thanks, man. And a 942 00:55:49,330 --> 00:55:57,580 reasonable price. Yeah, wait a minute. Here we got ahead of 943 00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,770 ourselves. Maybe I would finally 944 00:56:00,010 --> 00:56:02,940 sell some of them, if I did that, do your own audiobook. I 945 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:04,320 think it would, yeah. 946 00:56:04,650 --> 00:56:07,200 I think that's a great idea. See, we've given old 947 00:56:07,260 --> 00:56:08,730 news now, though. Yeah, 948 00:56:08,820 --> 00:56:09,510 but you could have 15 949 00:56:09,839 --> 00:56:10,349 years old, 950 00:56:11,730 --> 00:56:14,400 add a couple of updated chapters. Yeah, exactly. You go, 951 00:56:14,490 --> 00:56:14,520 oh, 952 00:56:15,060 --> 00:56:15,870 maybe so. Yeah, 953 00:56:16,290 --> 00:56:17,640 there you go. Yeah, 954 00:56:17,969 --> 00:56:20,359 more thoughts. Yes, addendum thoughts. Yes, 955 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:26,060 exactly. I hope you're enjoying the Trace Atkins episodes that 956 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,240 we've been giving to you. We've got one more to go. Number three 957 00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:33,290 is on the way, so get your Badonkadonk ready, because Trace 958 00:56:33,350 --> 00:56:35,300 is coming back to Circling the Drain.