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Listen in on a riveting conversation with veteran financial journalist and bestselling author William D. Cohan to discuss his new book, Money to Burn: The Unvarnished Truth About Leon Black, Apollo, and the Rise of a New Wall Street.

9fin’s Max Frumes tries to understand just how Cohan gets some of the most influential figures in the history of finance and business to open up to him across his eight books.

In this latest book, Cohan takes us inside the world of Leon Black and the creation of Apollo Global Management, which today is one of most dominant and pioneering multi-strategy asset managers. Cohan has captured Black’s relationships with the other billionaires who ushered Apollo into its era of prominence, Marc Rowan and Josh Harris, as well as the early influence of figures including Michael Milken, and the personal tragedies that shaped some of Wall Street’s most powerful financiers.

The conversation also touches on Cohan’s reporting on Black’s relationship with Jeffrey Epstein — including the $158m Black paid Epstein for financial advice — and how one of the world’s toughest dealmakers came to enter such an unusual financial arrangement.

Creators and Guests

Producer
Chase Collum
Head of Podcasts for 9fin Limited

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