WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:12.560 Music. 00:00:12.968 --> 00:00:17.868 What's going on, everybody, and welcome back to Episode 9 of the Villequan 11 Podcast. 00:00:18.228 --> 00:00:22.348 Today, we have our first interview where Scott Harris from Greenmount CBC joins 00:00:22.348 --> 00:00:28.268 us and talks about peace, specifically what it means to have a peace witness for today's Dan Tom. 00:00:28.508 --> 00:00:38.928 So, without further ado, let's take it to 11. We'll be right back. 00:00:29.520 --> 00:00:41.360 Music. 00:00:40.808 --> 00:00:46.588 All right, guys, we want to welcome you for our first interview here on the Life on 11 podcast. 00:00:47.208 --> 00:00:53.148 Today, we are really pleased and honored, would we say, to be joined by Scott Harris. 00:00:53.388 --> 00:00:59.548 Scott is, most importantly, a follower of Jesus Christ. He is a husband and a father of three. 00:00:59.768 --> 00:01:05.008 Scott is also the pastor of the closest CBC to our congregation, 00:01:05.048 --> 00:01:10.148 As the Crow Flies, over at Greenmount CBC, where you've been for a few years now, five years. 00:01:10.408 --> 00:01:14.468 And Scott also serves on the Blue Ridge Regional Board. 00:01:14.608 --> 00:01:19.028 And so we're really glad to have Scott here. The one thing I will say is it's 00:01:19.028 --> 00:01:20.968 good to have Scott because he runs. 00:01:21.208 --> 00:01:24.628 And there's never been a runner on this podcast, not one time. 00:01:25.188 --> 00:01:29.628 Running is not a thing. Has there ever even been a runner in this studio? 00:01:30.748 --> 00:01:35.668 Maybe once. Really? Maybe. Who? Get back to that. Okay, we'll get back to that. 00:01:35.788 --> 00:01:39.908 So what's up, Scott? How you doing today, man? I'm doing wonderful. Glad to be here. 00:01:40.448 --> 00:01:44.168 Always excited to talk to you guys because I enjoy your company. That's it. 00:01:44.968 --> 00:01:47.808 We play some old man basketball. You've heard us talk about old man basketball 00:01:47.808 --> 00:01:49.848 on the podcast. I'm one of the old men. Yep. 00:01:51.208 --> 00:01:54.168 He's one of the more athletic old men, let's be clear. That's right. 00:01:54.488 --> 00:01:57.348 All of a sudden, when Scott came to play, the whole pace of the night just seemed 00:01:57.348 --> 00:01:59.068 to pick up a little bit. It's the running thing again. 00:02:00.748 --> 00:02:05.808 I love it. I love it. So, Scott, we invited you in today to talk about peace. 00:02:06.008 --> 00:02:10.288 I know a little bit of your story on how you've developed, and I know that's 00:02:10.288 --> 00:02:12.068 something that you're really passionate about these days. 00:02:12.308 --> 00:02:16.048 And so, as we had this conversation, we would just love to hear from your heart 00:02:16.048 --> 00:02:19.568 about peace, especially Christ's peace. 00:02:20.208 --> 00:02:26.608 So, I guess the first thing that we would ask you is, how would you define peace 00:02:26.608 --> 00:02:29.328 from a Christian perspective from where you come from? Okay. 00:02:29.748 --> 00:02:35.508 Well, so first I'll start with the just things that agree with what everybody thinks peace is. Yeah. 00:02:35.788 --> 00:02:40.088 Kind of tranquility, not having disturbances, no violence. 00:02:40.468 --> 00:02:43.668 Those I think are generally what people think of when they think of peace. 00:02:44.488 --> 00:02:49.768 The difference is that's like the edge and just like the... 00:02:50.613 --> 00:02:57.353 The start of Christian peace. It's the beginning, the very outer shell of what Christian peace is. 00:02:57.573 --> 00:03:01.033 When you look at peace, especially from a Bible perspective, 00:03:01.333 --> 00:03:03.253 you've maybe heard the Hebrew word shalom. 00:03:03.553 --> 00:03:08.993 So that is the word in the Old Testament that peace gets translated out of a lot. 00:03:09.153 --> 00:03:12.833 And its roots are more in wholeness and completeness. 00:03:13.073 --> 00:03:17.673 So really, if you want to see what a picture of peace looks like, we go back to the garden. 00:03:17.873 --> 00:03:21.953 We go back to things are ordered and the way God designed them. 00:03:22.213 --> 00:03:28.113 And after the fall, anything getting to peace has to be a restorative movement. 00:03:28.333 --> 00:03:31.233 It has to be God fixing what we've broken. 00:03:31.573 --> 00:03:37.593 And so eventually we know the crown jewel of that restoration is Jesus. 00:03:37.673 --> 00:03:40.373 And that's why he's the Prince of Peace, the King of Peace. 00:03:40.533 --> 00:03:46.053 His message is the gospel of peace, all these different ways peace gets connected in. 00:03:46.693 --> 00:03:53.833 And so eventually, Christian view, big picture of peace, it starts with our peace with God. 00:03:53.993 --> 00:04:00.713 It has to start with that reordered relationship, things getting back right with us and God. 00:04:00.853 --> 00:04:03.273 And then from there, it can't stop there. 00:04:03.773 --> 00:04:08.233 And kind of back to my story, early on, I would say that's kind of where my 00:04:08.233 --> 00:04:12.473 understanding peace had stopped, is I'm good with God, so I'm good. 00:04:12.933 --> 00:04:21.153 Then as we especially read Jesus and read, I guess, a more peace-visioned reading 00:04:21.153 --> 00:04:26.093 of the rest of the New Testament to the church, we see that that peace is then outflowing. 00:04:26.313 --> 00:04:30.153 And it's not just our relationship with God, but then it's our relationship 00:04:30.153 --> 00:04:35.573 with one another and our relationship with the whole world. is we are agents 00:04:35.573 --> 00:04:41.053 of reconciliation. We are ambassadors of that restoration and we become workers of peace. 00:04:41.193 --> 00:04:43.933 We become the peacemakers. So... 00:04:44.807 --> 00:04:49.487 Nutshell that that's my gal. I really appreciate how you talk about how it has to begin. 00:04:49.747 --> 00:04:52.867 It has to begin with Jesus, right? Which is something the world doesn't do, 00:04:52.967 --> 00:04:56.027 but then we become agents. Like we still have a part. 00:04:56.467 --> 00:04:59.827 And I think for me, that's where I've seen the church really fail is either 00:04:59.827 --> 00:05:01.987 they say we have no part in doing peace. 00:05:02.107 --> 00:05:05.347 That's only God's job, or we have to be the ones making peace. 00:05:05.447 --> 00:05:08.627 So therefore that empowers wars and conflicts and things like that. All right. 00:05:08.967 --> 00:05:12.807 I see a t-shirt idea here. Okay, let's go for it. You know, people have the 00:05:12.807 --> 00:05:15.767 DEA t-shirts and the DEA jackets. Uh-huh. 00:05:17.107 --> 00:05:21.867 A-O-P. Agent of Peace. Okay. Okay. I like it. We need them. Okay. 00:05:22.087 --> 00:05:26.807 I thought you were going to say like PEA for like Peace Enforcement Agency and it would say P. 00:05:27.187 --> 00:05:32.007 See what I did there? No. I would wear A-O-P. Okay. 00:05:32.307 --> 00:05:35.187 A-O-P. A-O-P. Agent of Peace. Okay. Okay. It's done. Fair enough. 00:05:35.407 --> 00:05:37.647 Fair enough. In-store shelves tomorrow. 00:05:38.147 --> 00:05:41.407 It's happening. Okay. Done. Done. You better hope it's ready because someone 00:05:41.407 --> 00:05:45.087 might actually try to buy one. Who's going to listen to this before tomorrow? seriously. 00:05:46.307 --> 00:05:49.707 Scott, Jeremy and I were talking a little bit as we were getting ready for this 00:05:49.707 --> 00:05:51.767 podcast. Jeremy, you grew up Mennonite. 00:05:52.087 --> 00:05:56.947 Oh, yes. And I grew up in the Church of the Brethren, but yet peace for us was 00:05:56.947 --> 00:05:59.507 not something that was discussed at the congregational level. 00:05:59.987 --> 00:06:03.487 I didn't. Surprising, believe it or not. I like brethren my whole life. 00:06:03.587 --> 00:06:06.107 And the first time that I ever realized that the Church of the Brethren was 00:06:06.107 --> 00:06:10.067 a peace church was when I went to the Church of the Brethren annual conference in 2008. 00:06:10.087 --> 00:06:14.787 And that was, it was news to me like, what? Like, and for me, 00:06:15.007 --> 00:06:22.687 the first time that, like, we talked about being peace agents of peace was when 00:06:22.687 --> 00:06:24.387 it was time for me to register for the draft. 00:06:24.947 --> 00:06:29.087 My parents were like, oh, by the way, you need to register as a conscientious 00:06:29.087 --> 00:06:30.027 objector. I'm like, what? 00:06:31.106 --> 00:06:34.466 So then we have a conversation about it. I'm like, oh, okay. Okay. That'll work. 00:06:34.886 --> 00:06:40.446 Yeah. Yeah. Now you did. Surprising, right? You didn't grow up in a peace church atmosphere. 00:06:40.906 --> 00:06:45.626 So what was the thing? Like what, what, what drove you to start unpacking this 00:06:45.626 --> 00:06:47.326 piece, this, this piece a little bit more? 00:06:47.746 --> 00:06:50.566 Yeah. And, uh, so I grew up in the Baptist background. 00:06:51.246 --> 00:06:56.126 Mom left a Baptist Bible study to go have me. And then I was back pretty much 00:06:56.126 --> 00:06:58.746 the next day. So that's how Baptist I started. 00:06:59.986 --> 00:07:03.366 But once was one say you were predestined to be in Bible. 00:07:05.626 --> 00:07:10.386 Okay. Let's not get into that conversation. So, and I guess another, 00:07:10.626 --> 00:07:16.066 so not only the church background, but I was also a military brat. 00:07:16.226 --> 00:07:21.786 So my dad was in the military for over 20 years, most of my childhood, Marine Corps. 00:07:22.006 --> 00:07:26.066 And so it was a huge part of how I understood the world. 00:07:28.346 --> 00:07:31.506 So not an emphasis at all in church 00:07:31.506 --> 00:07:34.666 that i guess we're 00:07:34.666 --> 00:07:37.946 really the point where i start to realize that there 00:07:37.946 --> 00:07:40.766 were believers who had any kind of 00:07:40.766 --> 00:07:43.786 different perspective on peace than what i had growing up which again 00:07:43.786 --> 00:07:47.586 i think it kind of stopped at the point where we need to have peace with god 00:07:47.586 --> 00:07:52.766 which is absolutely true and right and is the starting point but right out of 00:07:52.766 --> 00:07:59.266 high school So I then went to EMU and I met a lot of different people with a 00:07:59.266 --> 00:08:03.626 lot of different perspectives on a lot of different things there, one of which was peace. 00:08:04.721 --> 00:08:10.301 At that point in my life, I was not at a point where I was an AOP. 00:08:10.581 --> 00:08:14.961 I was not an agent in peace at all. In fact, I was an antagonistic. 00:08:15.421 --> 00:08:16.721 I was an arguer. 00:08:18.121 --> 00:08:23.641 I enjoyed getting into a good tango with somebody. I had some zingers. 00:08:24.781 --> 00:08:26.541 Right? I loved it. 00:08:28.081 --> 00:08:32.021 Let's argue. Let's figure out what. You can still break a zinger out every once 00:08:32.021 --> 00:08:33.441 in a while. You don't have to give them all up. 00:08:33.601 --> 00:08:37.381 Fair enough. We are pro-zinger here on the Life on 11 podcast. 00:08:37.901 --> 00:08:41.981 Pro-zinger. That's another shirt. Well, because I know it can lead me down a 00:08:41.981 --> 00:08:45.821 path I don't want to go. Fair enough. I get it. I got some fences there. 00:08:46.061 --> 00:08:52.021 So here was my going into EMU, a very midnight, very peace, conscientious environment. 00:08:52.181 --> 00:08:55.421 And this was right after 9-11, right? 00:08:55.641 --> 00:09:00.921 So there is significant discussion about these things. 00:09:00.921 --> 00:09:08.681 So my rolling in there, I took the biggest American flag and Marine Corps flag 00:09:08.681 --> 00:09:13.681 I had in the house and hung them up just to stir up stuff. 00:09:14.141 --> 00:09:22.481 And yeah, the point where things, I realized something was off in my perspective 00:09:22.481 --> 00:09:24.481 was my roommate was not saved. 00:09:25.141 --> 00:09:28.801 And at one point somewhere at emu he 00:09:28.801 --> 00:09:31.561 was there for sports oh he he would have 00:09:31.561 --> 00:09:35.581 dominated our old man basketball league okay it was you don't know him anymore 00:09:35.581 --> 00:09:38.941 do you yeah we we don't want him no he's out of the area okay yeah all right 00:09:38.941 --> 00:09:43.901 good for us good for yeah he would have basketball yes for sure but somewhere 00:09:43.901 --> 00:09:50.061 near the end of the first year he said he we just had a talk and he was like i I don't understand. 00:09:50.061 --> 00:09:52.361 I came here, Christian College. 00:09:52.841 --> 00:09:56.761 I was like, I'm assuming I'm gonna be the bad guy at this school. 00:09:57.681 --> 00:10:04.101 But people seem a lot more angry and upset about you and the things you say than me. 00:10:04.401 --> 00:10:06.981 And I still don't understand what you all are fighting about. 00:10:07.741 --> 00:10:13.941 And I slowly came to this realization that I had not shared the good news of 00:10:13.941 --> 00:10:17.681 Jesus with this person who I had lived with for almost a year. 00:10:17.801 --> 00:10:22.481 And no one at this Christian college had shared the good news of Jesus with 00:10:22.481 --> 00:10:25.041 this person that did not know Jesus. 00:10:25.621 --> 00:10:30.001 All he knew is that we had some disagreements about how we followed Jesus that 00:10:30.001 --> 00:10:31.961 we were willing to not be friends about. 00:10:32.681 --> 00:10:39.641 Wow. Okay. And so I got to peace just simply through, do I really think the 00:10:39.641 --> 00:10:40.981 gospel is the most important thing? 00:10:41.261 --> 00:10:46.861 Is the message of Jesus the most powerful and most important thing in my life, 00:10:46.981 --> 00:10:49.401 in what I'm communicating to the world? 00:10:49.941 --> 00:10:55.161 And I really got convicted that it wasn't. I had, after that, 00:10:55.261 --> 00:10:56.241 I had a couple more moments. 00:10:56.741 --> 00:11:02.501 I feel like really bad that one of the pivotal moments in this story comes from 00:11:02.501 --> 00:11:07.541 a movie, but you know, that we're in an entertainment age and entertainment. 00:11:08.061 --> 00:11:11.681 Have either of you all seen the movie End of the Spear? Yes. 00:11:11.981 --> 00:11:15.121 Yep. I have not. Okay. It is based on real life. 00:11:15.821 --> 00:11:22.481 Missionaries, 1950s, go to Ecuador, minister to some of the most violent tribes there are. 00:11:22.661 --> 00:11:28.401 And a line in that movie just hit me and I could not get it out of my heart and head. 00:11:28.841 --> 00:11:33.461 One of the guys, the son is asking this missionary father, you know, 00:11:33.501 --> 00:11:35.681 what happens if they try to kill you? 00:11:35.781 --> 00:11:37.941 Are you going to shoot you? Are you going to defend yourself? 00:11:37.941 --> 00:11:41.761 And he tells his son, we cannot shoot the Wadani. 00:11:41.961 --> 00:11:45.801 They are not ready for heaven, but we are. Oh, wow. 00:11:46.281 --> 00:11:51.581 And man, that just hit me like a massive boulder. 00:11:52.784 --> 00:11:57.564 And all the like, what if scenarios, you know, the robber comes into your house 00:11:57.564 --> 00:12:01.764 and they got a gun at you and you got to defend yourself. Right. 00:12:01.824 --> 00:12:02.984 You got to, you got to fight back. 00:12:03.304 --> 00:12:08.924 Well, I'm pretty sure that person needs Jesus. If anyone clearly needs the work 00:12:08.924 --> 00:12:12.644 of Jesus in their life, they need that, that peace, the rest of restorative 00:12:12.644 --> 00:12:13.864 work of Jesus in their life. 00:12:14.284 --> 00:12:17.204 I think they're first in line of, of need. 00:12:18.124 --> 00:12:24.104 And. It's a good perspective. Putting my life on the line seems like small, 00:12:24.284 --> 00:12:28.144 small thing if that person comes to a saving faith. 00:12:28.624 --> 00:12:35.844 And so that slowly, slowly, like the peace boulder just started rolling down 00:12:35.844 --> 00:12:38.004 the hill, gathering steam. 00:12:38.004 --> 00:12:41.884 By the time I get to Greenmount, you know, I've taken some seminary classes. 00:12:41.884 --> 00:12:45.464 I've run into some of the radical reformers. 00:12:45.604 --> 00:12:49.824 The story of Dirk Willems. You familiar? 00:12:50.964 --> 00:12:56.444 I'm not. Early Anabaptist. After, during the Reformation movement, 00:12:56.684 --> 00:13:00.004 he is arrested for baptizing. 00:13:00.764 --> 00:13:07.724 Okay. Not allowed. We just do that with babies. So he is, he escapes prison, 00:13:07.944 --> 00:13:13.524 he's fleeing, runs over some thin ice he can get over because they haven't been feeding him good. 00:13:13.764 --> 00:13:17.744 The people chasing him, not so much. When he goes through the ice, 00:13:17.904 --> 00:13:22.544 he turns around, saves the deputy that's trying to arrest him, 00:13:22.704 --> 00:13:28.344 and they still arrest him, and then they burn him at the stake. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. 00:13:29.027 --> 00:13:34.887 Right. And just, you know, I'd start the Anabaptist movement, 00:13:35.107 --> 00:13:40.567 the Brethren Church coming out of this war between three church states. 00:13:41.007 --> 00:13:46.567 The Reformed Church, the Catholic Church, and the Lutheran Church are fighting each other. 00:13:46.967 --> 00:13:50.507 All people who say, we're for Jesus, and they're killing each other. 00:13:50.767 --> 00:13:54.887 Like, how does this fit? How does this make sense? Yeah. 00:13:55.467 --> 00:13:59.767 And so by the time I get five years or so ago, I get to Greenmount, 00:14:00.007 --> 00:14:04.587 I'm more peace church brethren than most people. 00:14:04.727 --> 00:14:08.447 And it sounds like our congregation was a lot like the two congregations. 00:14:08.787 --> 00:14:11.027 A lot of people are like, what are you talking about? 00:14:11.407 --> 00:14:15.947 Like, wasn't even, I think, brought up in my interview. They wanted to know 00:14:15.947 --> 00:14:17.887 a lot of things about what I believed. 00:14:18.667 --> 00:14:23.367 That really wasn't one of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really interesting to 00:14:23.367 --> 00:14:24.447 me, Scott, because I don't know. 00:14:24.927 --> 00:14:28.447 I'm not from Broadway, right? I grew up in Augusta County. 00:14:28.667 --> 00:14:35.567 And moving down here, I realized very quickly that military service means something 00:14:35.567 --> 00:14:40.747 in the town of Broadway, right? They've lost a few young men in battle. 00:14:41.307 --> 00:14:45.727 It's big in all the sports programming, the service, all those things. 00:14:45.827 --> 00:14:51.687 But what I find interesting is next to Broadway High School is the John Kline Homestead, 00:14:51.687 --> 00:14:59.887 who is sort of like the brethren patriarch of peace in his work during the war 00:14:59.887 --> 00:15:01.867 and tending to those soldiers. 00:15:01.867 --> 00:15:07.047 It is that is fascinating to me that the John Klein Homestead property line 00:15:07.047 --> 00:15:10.767 literally backs up to the Broadway high school property line. 00:15:10.947 --> 00:15:16.947 And you have on one side that the the if I were to maybe this is an overstatement, 00:15:17.067 --> 00:15:18.187 feel free to check me on this, guys. 00:15:18.267 --> 00:15:21.087 But it feels like a lot of times, especially with the young men in Broadway, 00:15:21.387 --> 00:15:24.947 they would be told the most honorable thing you can do is die in war. 00:15:25.347 --> 00:15:28.387 Yeah. And then you have John Klein, who's like the most honorable thing you 00:15:28.387 --> 00:15:31.767 can do is save someone's life, even if they're trying to kill you. 00:15:31.867 --> 00:15:35.327 And those two things literally bumping up to each other on property lines is 00:15:35.327 --> 00:15:36.947 really interesting to me. Yeah. 00:15:37.147 --> 00:15:40.867 And we don't talk like we don't talk about that. Yeah. No, no, we don't. 00:15:41.767 --> 00:15:46.187 So how does how does your your new views on peace new ish? 00:15:46.347 --> 00:15:48.767 You know, you talk about coming from a military family. How's that? 00:15:48.907 --> 00:15:51.027 How'd that go? Like, if you don't mind me asking. Yeah. 00:15:51.187 --> 00:15:59.467 So I would say as as that conviction took more root, I'm someone I had plenty of guns in my house. 00:15:59.707 --> 00:16:04.467 Right. I had 1911, 22 Ruger, two shotguns, right? 00:16:04.567 --> 00:16:08.047 Enjoy shooting, target shooting, skeet shooting. 00:16:08.267 --> 00:16:10.347 Not great at it, but enjoy it still, right? 00:16:10.827 --> 00:16:16.807 And eventually I get to this place where I convictionally, if someone breaks in, I'm. 00:16:17.613 --> 00:16:21.373 There's no thought in my mind that says I'm going to go for a gun. 00:16:21.713 --> 00:16:23.573 That's just not anything. 00:16:24.033 --> 00:16:29.313 And so at that point, they're just in my house and become a risk to children in my house. 00:16:29.493 --> 00:16:35.813 And so the conversation with my dad then of, hey, this is where I've kind of got to. 00:16:36.473 --> 00:16:42.753 Are you okay just housing all of my guns at your house? Because I don't have 00:16:42.753 --> 00:16:47.113 any use for them in my house. because if someone breaks in, I'm not going to 00:16:47.113 --> 00:16:48.793 use them in my house ever again. 00:16:49.393 --> 00:16:54.273 And so they're fine to be at your house. They're well kept at your house. 00:16:54.333 --> 00:16:58.133 And if I go shooting, I know where to find them, right? 00:16:58.873 --> 00:17:03.293 Little tense conversation, but thankfully me and my dad have got to a place 00:17:03.293 --> 00:17:10.873 where we can have, we don't agree 100% on how we live out our lives for Christ. 00:17:11.053 --> 00:17:15.633 And we've got to a place where we can have some pretty tense conversations and be okay. 00:17:15.893 --> 00:17:20.493 And so I'm not disowned, right? There's some tension around those things. 00:17:21.073 --> 00:17:26.213 I'm not to a place where, you know, I'm calling people unfaithful if they're 00:17:26.213 --> 00:17:33.213 not non-resistant or non-violent or pacifist or however you term it. 00:17:33.573 --> 00:17:40.133 But, right, I just, so that would, I'd say, was like the clearest moment where I had to like, 00:17:41.055 --> 00:17:45.055 My conviction's got a point where this is the next appropriate action that I'm going to take. 00:17:46.115 --> 00:17:51.395 It's also when I became brethren, there were a lot of conversations I had with 00:17:51.395 --> 00:17:53.115 some of the folks with On Earth Peace. 00:17:54.315 --> 00:17:58.475 That's supposed to be an organization focused on peace. 00:17:58.815 --> 00:18:03.655 And as I got into what they were doing and how they were communicating peace, 00:18:03.855 --> 00:18:07.555 it was not the kind of peace we started talking about. 00:18:07.555 --> 00:18:14.775 It wasn't centered around Jesus, that God, man, starting with that right relationship. 00:18:15.095 --> 00:18:21.515 It was all temporal, small doses of bits and pieces of the kind of peace God wants us to have. 00:18:21.675 --> 00:18:25.735 And so I had some pretty intense conversations there, too. 00:18:25.855 --> 00:18:29.755 They're like, I'm not sure you really understand peace. I'm like, I'm pretty sure. 00:18:30.315 --> 00:18:32.575 I think I do. That's what I was going to say to you. 00:18:34.095 --> 00:18:38.135 So, I mean, then through those conversations, yeah, well, I mean, 00:18:38.275 --> 00:18:42.255 really through those conversations, I got to share the gospel with people. 00:18:43.175 --> 00:18:50.315 I think they love peace. They have peace as an objective, but they're far from peace. 00:18:50.915 --> 00:18:55.755 And so, yeah, I think that's, those are some pretty intense things as well. 00:18:55.755 --> 00:19:02.875 And now as a pastor, I have some folks that have served in the military in my 00:19:02.875 --> 00:19:07.475 congregation, and so we've had some pretty in-depth conversations. 00:19:08.195 --> 00:19:12.735 I've got people that have served in Vietnam in my congregation, 00:19:12.735 --> 00:19:18.075 so we've had some conversations, and it's good. Mm-hmm. 00:19:18.990 --> 00:19:19.230 I'm sure. 00:19:21.250 --> 00:19:26.570 So one of my questions then, Scott, for you, like, I feel like one of the things 00:19:26.570 --> 00:19:34.370 that really divides people about peace is you have your ultra, ultra pacifist. 00:19:34.550 --> 00:19:36.790 That is like absolutely pieces. 00:19:37.450 --> 00:19:42.230 Peace almost becomes God is what my experience be for some of my friends who 00:19:42.230 --> 00:19:45.370 are ultra peace, like peace is their God. 00:19:45.590 --> 00:19:48.590 Jesus isn't their God. God isn't their God. Peace is. 00:19:48.990 --> 00:19:53.330 And then you have your super like conservative folks are like, 00:19:53.770 --> 00:19:56.410 do what you want. Like, I'm not giving up my guns. I'm going to shoot someone like that. 00:19:56.810 --> 00:20:02.310 What do you think are some, could I use the word common sense ways that Christians 00:20:02.310 --> 00:20:05.670 can live out and try to work for peace in your experience? 00:20:05.830 --> 00:20:08.950 Can you just think of, hey, if you're trying to discern this, 00:20:09.070 --> 00:20:10.790 here's how your journey started. 00:20:10.910 --> 00:20:13.990 Here's ways that we could work for peace in our communities that don't make 00:20:13.990 --> 00:20:16.170 people be like, oh man, those guys are crazy. 00:20:16.350 --> 00:20:20.310 They're ultra right or ultra left. They're just common sense Christians. 00:20:20.610 --> 00:20:24.470 Can you think of some ways that we could practice those things as Christ followers? 00:20:25.130 --> 00:20:28.930 Well, so I think when we talk about peace, a lot of times we go straight to 00:20:28.930 --> 00:20:32.410 the home invasion scenario, the military scenario. 00:20:32.750 --> 00:20:39.270 And we really just should start with how are we interacting with our neighbors kind of scenarios. 00:20:39.270 --> 00:20:45.870 And having, you know, being close to a situation where people are yelling and 00:20:45.870 --> 00:20:48.930 screaming and there is a, it's an altercation. 00:20:49.130 --> 00:20:55.410 It's not maybe quite fistfight yet, but stepping into that and trying to get 00:20:55.410 --> 00:20:56.710 everybody to calm down enough. 00:20:56.870 --> 00:21:00.390 And like, what are we, what, what is the issue in sharing the gospel, 00:21:01.010 --> 00:21:04.710 figuring out where are, are these people believers or not believers? 00:21:04.890 --> 00:21:06.250 And if someone's not a believer. 00:21:06.770 --> 00:21:12.070 How can I get this pointed toward Jesus? And that has maybe been one of the 00:21:12.070 --> 00:21:17.370 bigger places. It's just those kinds of interactions is when there's lost people that, 00:21:17.892 --> 00:21:23.092 they're going to act like lost people. And one of the biggest ways we can interject 00:21:23.092 --> 00:21:27.072 Jesus into the conversation is saying that we don't need to fight over this. 00:21:27.652 --> 00:21:31.792 The other pieces that I would say is, again. 00:21:32.532 --> 00:21:41.272 Pre Scott being an AOP, I would have not seen any issue with me getting into 00:21:41.272 --> 00:21:44.452 a pretty heated argument with other Christians. 00:21:45.212 --> 00:21:48.792 We're just working stuff up. I would have cited iron sharpens iron, 00:21:48.832 --> 00:21:50.032 and this is what it looks like. 00:21:50.692 --> 00:21:56.792 But it didn't include gentleness and love and kindness. It was devoid of the fruit of the Spirit. 00:21:57.332 --> 00:22:03.472 And until my roommate there at EMU said, I don't understand what's going on, 00:22:03.632 --> 00:22:06.712 he didn't see Jesus because we weren't acting like Jesus. 00:22:07.052 --> 00:22:11.632 One of the times I got into one of those kind of arguments, it was with someone, 00:22:12.132 --> 00:22:14.172 that had a different view of baptism than me. 00:22:14.432 --> 00:22:18.072 I mean, it got so ugly that they brought a track to me the next day, 00:22:18.092 --> 00:22:21.232 because they just assumed I couldn't be a follower of Jesus. 00:22:22.212 --> 00:22:24.332 Now, I won that argument, I'm pretty sure. 00:22:27.232 --> 00:22:30.192 May the record show. So I think that's another thing. 00:22:30.432 --> 00:22:38.392 So when I do have disagreements, like the on earth peace folks, that was not me yelling. 00:22:38.672 --> 00:22:42.012 That was not me saying you're an idiot, right? 00:22:42.072 --> 00:22:47.912 That was not me demeaning or any of those things. It was a very different conversation 00:22:47.912 --> 00:22:49.572 than what it would have been before. 00:22:49.992 --> 00:22:55.212 Just that my whole outlook on how we should communicate with one another is 00:22:55.212 --> 00:23:00.692 completely different because peace is just a part of who I am. 00:23:00.812 --> 00:23:05.012 I mean, if that was one of the primary objectives of Jesus and how he was doing 00:23:05.012 --> 00:23:06.252 things and what he was about. 00:23:07.612 --> 00:23:13.032 That needs to be on me, too. And I think we can get to some of those more like 00:23:13.032 --> 00:23:16.192 what if, like bigger, harder situations. 00:23:16.812 --> 00:23:24.832 And I think the peace church witness in violent places is just so much more impactful. 00:23:25.312 --> 00:23:29.012 They're hungry for a king that says peace is the answer. 00:23:30.052 --> 00:23:35.492 You know, I'm thinking here for the average person, though, like not someone 00:23:35.492 --> 00:23:37.492 who's in law enforcement or in the military. 00:23:37.612 --> 00:23:42.672 I mean, the thought to go to the argument of what if somebody breaks in my house, 00:23:42.812 --> 00:23:48.092 I'm going to shoot like you're talking about a very unlikely scenario, 00:23:48.272 --> 00:23:50.892 especially around here. It's less likely to happen. 00:23:51.512 --> 00:23:54.452 If I give out your address, it might be a little bit more. Well, 00:23:54.472 --> 00:23:55.852 now that I just said that. Yes. 00:23:56.332 --> 00:24:01.112 Well, so let me let me give you an example from being a dad. Right. Kids fight. 00:24:01.952 --> 00:24:07.692 What? Are you kidding? I know. Pastor kids fight, too. What? Yes, I know. Shocking. 00:24:08.312 --> 00:24:10.272 That's the next podcast. Things you didn't know. 00:24:11.632 --> 00:24:14.892 So, so my middle daughter, she's our, she's our fighter. 00:24:16.312 --> 00:24:19.472 And last year she had an arch nemesis. 00:24:19.832 --> 00:24:24.812 This child was seemingly a bully. It was not a friendly situation. 00:24:25.652 --> 00:24:29.272 And, you know, we expressed to her that we don't know what's going on with this 00:24:29.272 --> 00:24:31.792 kid's family. We don't know what he's got going on. 00:24:32.512 --> 00:24:36.632 We, we told her that just try to be nice. 00:24:37.732 --> 00:24:42.992 Conquer evil with good, right? Something I did appreciate from Unearthed Peace 00:24:42.992 --> 00:24:45.972 is they like Martin Luther King. And he says a lot of great things. 00:24:46.292 --> 00:24:50.172 Something he said about peace was, you can't conquer darkness with darkness. 00:24:50.492 --> 00:24:54.352 You can't conquer hate with hate. No, you conquer darkness with light. 00:24:54.512 --> 00:24:56.492 You conquered hate with love. 00:24:56.712 --> 00:25:01.292 And so those were some of the things we started feeding into our seven-year-old. 00:25:02.092 --> 00:25:09.072 Went on a field trip with my daughter. this just a couple weeks ago that arch 00:25:09.072 --> 00:25:12.492 nemesis is now one of her posse best friends. Mm-hmm. 00:25:13.788 --> 00:25:16.928 Love turned it around. Yeah. So if it can work for seven-year-olds, 00:25:17.008 --> 00:25:21.388 I think it can work for us. Yeah. So, and that's a- Adults have a lot of pride. 00:25:21.768 --> 00:25:27.408 Yeah. So that's what makes it hard. Yes. Well, and I think if people that hold 00:25:27.408 --> 00:25:32.588 this conviction would be doing more with their kids, so it's something that 00:25:32.588 --> 00:25:34.468 it's part of their framework from the beginning. 00:25:34.628 --> 00:25:37.668 I mean, I wish it was a part of my framework from the beginning. 00:25:38.308 --> 00:25:42.108 I think it would just be more natural for us because at this point, 00:25:42.208 --> 00:25:48.188 I don't think it is natural. Like a lot of us, we had to look at our WWJD bracelet 00:25:48.188 --> 00:25:50.448 and say, oh, yeah, that's right. 00:25:51.428 --> 00:25:56.068 Jesus didn't call down the thunder. And even then, like, but what becomes? 00:25:56.248 --> 00:25:58.188 It's always, well, Jesus flipped tables. 00:25:58.408 --> 00:26:01.348 Okay, so we're going to pick one instance. 00:26:01.708 --> 00:26:05.188 It's like we picked the anomaly instead of talking about all the times that 00:26:05.188 --> 00:26:11.828 Jesus did resist that. Even not talking about Jesus, just in the world today, 00:26:11.828 --> 00:26:14.288 everything is about you. 00:26:14.528 --> 00:26:17.708 You do you. You do what's best for you. You do what makes you happy. 00:26:18.008 --> 00:26:24.508 And that drives people being mad at each other because I'm going to do what 00:26:24.508 --> 00:26:26.348 makes me happy. I don't care what makes you happy, you know? 00:26:26.448 --> 00:26:28.828 And like, yeah, that drives all of it. 00:26:28.968 --> 00:26:33.608 When you talked about, I mean, even in the church, I mean, I can tell you we 00:26:33.608 --> 00:26:39.768 have a pretty easygoing congregation. There's not a lot, but I've been in some business meetings. 00:26:40.068 --> 00:26:43.188 I've been in some ecumenical meetings. I've been in some denominational meetings 00:26:43.188 --> 00:26:47.948 where, I mean, if a non-Christian walked into that event, they would probably 00:26:47.948 --> 00:26:50.668 be like, this is not something I want to be a part of. 00:26:50.768 --> 00:26:54.128 We don't even practice peaceful relationships with the people who are supposed 00:26:54.128 --> 00:26:55.308 to be our brothers and sisters. 00:26:55.608 --> 00:27:00.048 You know, it's like even in the world of the church, our first instinct can 00:27:00.048 --> 00:27:05.448 become create conflict or lean into the conflict in a way that's, I mean, violent. 00:27:05.448 --> 00:27:08.628 You know, or I can tell you, like, one of the things I think in church that 00:27:08.628 --> 00:27:13.688 really ruins our peace witness is the amount of, like, passive aggressive behavior 00:27:13.688 --> 00:27:17.208 that the church has. And they do so in the name of peace. 00:27:17.428 --> 00:27:21.508 Right. They're like, well, and, you know, that was always my one of my big things 00:27:21.508 --> 00:27:25.628 with the denomination we came from was I said the tagline should have been passive 00:27:25.628 --> 00:27:27.168 aggressively simply together. 00:27:27.168 --> 00:27:31.428 You know, because there's so much passive-aggressive behavior in the church 00:27:31.428 --> 00:27:35.848 that I think sometimes we even mistake passive-aggressive behavior as peace 00:27:35.848 --> 00:27:41.148 when it's not sometimes more damaging than just letting it go, you know? 00:27:41.148 --> 00:27:44.608 You mean someone trying to convince themselves that it's peace. 00:27:44.648 --> 00:27:46.028 Yes, yes. Even though it's passive-aggressive behavior. 00:27:46.128 --> 00:27:52.168 So the church I grew up in, just so far out of peace was this—. 00:27:52.966 --> 00:27:58.146 One huge split I witnessed was over music, those drums of the devil, 00:27:58.486 --> 00:27:59.486 even though they're in Psalms. 00:27:59.586 --> 00:28:02.146 That's going on the Things You Didn't Know podcast for next time. 00:28:02.486 --> 00:28:06.106 Right, watch out. The other was the translation of the Bible we used. 00:28:06.366 --> 00:28:11.426 Both of those issues, I was old enough to be in those meetings, 00:28:11.426 --> 00:28:15.306 and half the church walked away in both those situations. 00:28:15.726 --> 00:28:20.566 Like, how in the world does that point people to Christ? It just doesn't. 00:28:20.566 --> 00:28:23.566 Yeah. Oh, there's so many examples of that. Yeah. 00:28:24.126 --> 00:28:30.086 And as I, you know, start to witness more and like being more open about my 00:28:30.086 --> 00:28:33.746 faith, I found that was like one of the biggest hindrances is just people. 00:28:34.686 --> 00:28:39.086 I know so-and-so and like they're, they're terrible. Like they're hateful. 00:28:39.226 --> 00:28:40.166 They're always doing this thing. 00:28:40.386 --> 00:28:46.266 Another point where, again, I kind of recognized in myself that maybe I wasn't. 00:28:46.266 --> 00:28:49.246 So I worked at Fraser Quarry before I became a pastor. 00:28:49.446 --> 00:28:52.346 So that's a mining operation, truck drivers, all this. 00:28:52.666 --> 00:28:57.246 For about a year and a half, I did a truck driver Bible study in the mornings. 00:28:58.286 --> 00:29:02.506 Captive audience. It was first come, first serve on getting the loads and getting loaded up. 00:29:02.626 --> 00:29:06.666 And so drivers would show up over an hour early before we opened. 00:29:06.826 --> 00:29:09.046 I was like, hey, I could do this. 00:29:09.546 --> 00:29:12.706 Maybe a little God doing God things in me. 00:29:13.206 --> 00:29:15.926 I decided I was going to go through the Sermon on the Mount. 00:29:16.586 --> 00:29:22.846 With these folks. And when, when I tried to explain what loving an enemy, 00:29:23.146 --> 00:29:29.846 I just couldn't get my head around how I could explain that in a way that included 00:29:29.846 --> 00:29:31.906 bullets or knives or fists. 00:29:33.746 --> 00:29:38.986 Right. I mean, you just had to stretch some things really, really far to, 00:29:39.146 --> 00:29:46.726 to take Jesus's word there and still live in a way that's not makes you look 00:29:46.726 --> 00:29:50.986 crazy and so at some point I'm okay looking crazy. 00:29:52.561 --> 00:29:56.041 Saying yeah yeah what a just yesterday 00:29:56.041 --> 00:29:58.821 at church we read the if we are out of our mind it's for 00:29:58.821 --> 00:30:01.541 christ's sake right like okay that sounds good to 00:30:01.541 --> 00:30:05.721 me and yeah and that's the thing is like our world has gotten so far away from 00:30:05.721 --> 00:30:11.441 what god intended god shalom that that that actually looks crazy when in reality 00:30:11.441 --> 00:30:15.361 everybody says i mean what's the old thing like every miss america always says 00:30:15.361 --> 00:30:18.541 well what's your one wish world peace like we all say we want it but when it 00:30:18.541 --> 00:30:20.381 comes time to actually practicing it and putting, 00:30:20.561 --> 00:30:24.941 I mean, I had some long debates with some friends about the amount of money 00:30:24.941 --> 00:30:30.901 that we spend in this country on militaristic efforts and bombs and tanks, all those things. 00:30:31.041 --> 00:30:34.221 And I mean, I wasn't even saying defund the military. It's not what I was saying. 00:30:34.301 --> 00:30:39.441 I was just saying like, what if we raised what we're doing for the oppressed 00:30:39.441 --> 00:30:43.021 and social work, things like that, something that I'm super passionate about. 00:30:43.301 --> 00:30:47.901 And we took some money from our militaristic fund, not defund anything, 00:30:47.901 --> 00:30:49.441 just the amount of money. 00:30:49.541 --> 00:30:54.441 Like we spend more on military, on guns, ammunition, and bombs in this country 00:30:54.441 --> 00:30:59.121 every year than like 75 of the rest of the world has in their entire country's budget. 00:30:59.401 --> 00:31:03.021 You know, that's insane to me. And in that when we talk about, 00:31:03.161 --> 00:31:04.861 you know, the way that we're spending money in this country. 00:31:05.261 --> 00:31:07.421 You know, I'm not saying get rid of all the military. 00:31:07.581 --> 00:31:10.421 I'm not saying it like, but can we really look at how much of our 00:31:10.421 --> 00:31:13.781 country's resources we put into violence 00:31:13.781 --> 00:31:16.481 and then you're going to turn around and say we need more 00:31:16.481 --> 00:31:20.721 gun control and it's like hold on a second like yeah that there has to be a 00:31:20.721 --> 00:31:26.301 bigger conversation about how that scene is set for us yeah uh and it's as i 00:31:26.301 --> 00:31:29.761 had a conversation with a guy in our our congregation the other day and we were 00:31:29.761 --> 00:31:35.141 talking about just like how this how this works out in our heart and how, 00:31:35.741 --> 00:31:40.181 we can separate what we read in scripture from the reality of our lives. 00:31:40.341 --> 00:31:46.081 And, you know, we were talking about Jonah and Jonah being super pissed and 00:31:46.081 --> 00:31:48.641 angry that the Ninevites actually repented. 00:31:49.906 --> 00:31:53.526 And we were like, come on, man, that's no way to be a prophet. 00:31:53.726 --> 00:31:57.386 This is like, how could he act like that? 00:31:57.606 --> 00:32:03.566 But if we frame that around something like 9-11, and you think how many Christians 00:32:03.566 --> 00:32:08.626 would have been willing to go overseas to be a missionary at that point and 00:32:08.626 --> 00:32:10.246 say, these people need Jesus. 00:32:10.506 --> 00:32:12.866 No, everyone was chanting, these people need bombs. 00:32:13.786 --> 00:32:18.046 People were like, yeah, absolutely, cheering on, let's wipe them all out. 00:32:18.646 --> 00:32:23.366 But that was the situation for Jonah. I mean, I'm sure he had loved ones that 00:32:23.366 --> 00:32:26.186 the Ninevites had grossly murdered. 00:32:26.446 --> 00:32:29.686 And they were the worst people in the world. 00:32:30.806 --> 00:32:36.586 But yet God sent a messenger of grace and peace to them. And they accepted. 00:32:37.906 --> 00:32:41.546 And so often, we're not even willing to be that messenger. 00:32:42.106 --> 00:32:47.106 We see the outsiders, whether they're overseas or people we don't agree here, 00:32:47.406 --> 00:32:49.766 the lost. And we say, good riddance. 00:32:50.386 --> 00:32:56.886 They're going to get what they deserve. Instead of saying, we are the AOP. 00:32:56.886 --> 00:32:58.626 We are supposed to be these ambassadors. 00:32:59.346 --> 00:33:05.526 And so taking our representing Christ seriously to the point that it's going 00:33:05.526 --> 00:33:06.426 to make us look different. 00:33:06.826 --> 00:33:08.666 Our priorities are going to be different. 00:33:09.466 --> 00:33:12.146 People are going to think maybe we're a little crazy sometimes. 00:33:13.026 --> 00:33:18.926 But if that means one or two of them find Jesus, that's what we need. That's it. All right. 00:33:19.446 --> 00:33:24.286 I got to, just you talking now, maybe think of a tagline to go on the shirt. Okay. 00:33:24.766 --> 00:33:27.826 Okay. So when we were playing basketball, a lot of times I say, 00:33:27.926 --> 00:33:29.486 the ball don't lie. Mm-hmm. 00:33:29.946 --> 00:33:32.846 The tagline on the shirt could be, the Bible don't lie. There we go. 00:33:32.966 --> 00:33:35.226 I like it. True. Huh? I like it. I like it. All right, it's happening. 00:33:35.766 --> 00:33:38.486 You know, Jeremy's wife does dabble in the t-shirt business. 00:33:38.766 --> 00:33:41.086 She does. So, I mean, we could. T-shirts, cups. 00:33:41.466 --> 00:33:45.846 All of it. All of it. Everything. I like it. I think, and again, 00:33:46.046 --> 00:33:50.486 I think a lot of times we just, we don't have a holy creativity. 00:33:51.186 --> 00:33:56.806 We think the only way to solve problems is we've seen it effectively done through 00:33:56.806 --> 00:34:01.766 violence, through domination, through being the loudest, most argumentative person. 00:34:01.906 --> 00:34:04.866 We've seen that can work. Again, I was one of those people. 00:34:05.166 --> 00:34:09.226 I know it works. I was bullied. You know how I fixed the bully problem? 00:34:09.946 --> 00:34:14.986 Violence. Right. Right. It's effective. But it's not the way Jesus pointed a storm. 00:34:15.306 --> 00:34:21.806 And it's throughout the Bible. I mean, probably one of my favorite non-peace, 00:34:22.086 --> 00:34:24.426 non-violence verses comes out of the Old Testament. 00:34:24.666 --> 00:34:28.086 Elisha, the Syrian army comes against him. 00:34:28.546 --> 00:34:32.566 And his confidence is not, he's at his house with his servant. 00:34:34.206 --> 00:34:38.166 The servant's freaking out. The Syrian army's here. What are we going to do? 00:34:38.826 --> 00:34:44.146 He's like, God's army's here. My faith is in God's protection, 00:34:44.586 --> 00:34:46.386 his power over this situation. 00:34:47.246 --> 00:34:52.346 He asked God to let the servant see, and the servant sees the armies of God 00:34:52.346 --> 00:34:55.406 surrounding the earthly armies. And he's like, oh. 00:34:56.226 --> 00:35:00.986 And a lot of times that's where we would finish. But then Elisha asked God to 00:35:00.986 --> 00:35:06.726 blind this army. He leads the Syrian army into Jerusalem and they feed him a meal. 00:35:07.126 --> 00:35:12.306 They feed him a meal. They just don't, right? I mean, sometimes the easy answers 00:35:12.306 --> 00:35:15.346 are just maybe we should just have a meal together. 00:35:16.626 --> 00:35:20.266 Maybe we should just go have some coffee and we could work this out. 00:35:20.626 --> 00:35:25.366 And then the Syrians didn't attack Jerusalem for a season because, 00:35:25.806 --> 00:35:29.006 I mean, that's shalom. That's peace. 00:35:30.966 --> 00:35:35.586 Where as soon as the army was brought in Jerusalem, the prince was like, kill him, kill him. 00:35:35.906 --> 00:35:39.066 I mean, he was exactly how most of us would default. 00:35:40.006 --> 00:35:44.766 But Elisha was like, no, right? Why would you do that? That's not the God you 00:35:44.766 --> 00:35:46.726 serve. He's a God of mercy and grace. 00:35:47.126 --> 00:35:48.926 Yep, amen, amen. 00:35:49.466 --> 00:35:53.386 Well, Scott, we really appreciate your time. We could do this for a few more hours. 00:35:53.526 --> 00:35:56.726 In fact, we'll have to have you back another time. We can continue to talk about 00:35:56.726 --> 00:35:59.806 this. But it has been really, really amazing conversation. 00:36:00.166 --> 00:36:06.566 And again, I think I wonder how much richer maybe my understanding would have 00:36:06.566 --> 00:36:12.146 been of peace if it would have been something talked about from from kindergarten 00:36:12.146 --> 00:36:16.566 or from preschool up instead of literally walking into my first conference in 00:36:16.566 --> 00:36:18.746 my 20s and going, what, a peace church? 00:36:18.906 --> 00:36:21.506 Like, that's a thing? Yeah. Oh, man. 00:36:21.766 --> 00:36:24.806 So I don't know. But no, I can agree. Yeah. 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