1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,580 Chris: Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of ordinary 2 00:00:02,580 --> 00:00:06,900 discipleship Podcast. I'm Chris, that's Jacob, that's Jesse, and 3 00:00:06,900 --> 00:00:11,160 today we are going to be talking about, when do you speak up? 4 00:00:11,460 --> 00:00:15,300 Maybe it's in a relationship, maybe it's your husband or your 5 00:00:15,300 --> 00:00:18,360 wife, and they say something kind of disparaging, and you're 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,820 like, Should I check that person. Now, should I just eat 7 00:00:22,820 --> 00:00:26,960 that comment? Should I go to bed resentful? Maybe it's something 8 00:00:27,020 --> 00:00:30,080 happened at work, and you're coming back home and you're on 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,860 the couch watching some Netflix, and you go to your spouse and 10 00:00:33,860 --> 00:00:36,920 you say, Man, should I should I say something to Jerry? Because 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,480 Jerry's getting a little out of control today, we talk about 12 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:46,120 knowing when to speak up. And with that being said, I think 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,680 Jake, Jake, you said, We've got to have God, God's eyes, God's 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,880 heart, God's tone, God's timing. Jesse developed a special card 15 00:00:55,060 --> 00:00:59,080 to walk you through it. Man, what an episode today. 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,440 Jessie Cruickshank: So this is actually, this actually is in 17 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,280 the book ordinary discipleship. And it comes and I comes out of 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:10,740 a lesson that I learned in life. I have the ability to see 19 00:01:10,740 --> 00:01:14,820 things, to be aware of stuff. You know, I it's just part of 20 00:01:14,820 --> 00:01:17,220 how God made me. And when I was in charge of the wilderness 21 00:01:17,220 --> 00:01:21,920 ministry, like I would, gosh, that person has this problem 22 00:01:22,460 --> 00:01:26,840 that person needs like they're fearful here, they don't trust 23 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,720 God there. Oh, wow, that's an unhealthy dynamic they have with 24 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:35,720 other people. And I thought, because I was like the disciple 25 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:40,120 maker in those relationships, that it was my responsibility to 26 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,540 talk to everybody about their stuff. My I thought it was my 27 00:01:43,540 --> 00:01:46,720 responsibility to bring it up, to point it out. Well, you know, 28 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,780 hey, I'm just going to show you your blind spot right now. And 29 00:01:49,780 --> 00:01:52,900 that's kind of the language that people use. And it didn't go 30 00:01:52,900 --> 00:01:57,880 well, like, ever, right? Ever. In fact, one of the my co 31 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:03,540 leaders, the only fight we ever got in was around a situation 32 00:02:03,540 --> 00:02:07,200 where something perceiving something, and I talked to 33 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,720 somebody else about it, because I'm like, Oh my gosh, we got to 34 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,480 talk to this person, because this is a big deal, and we need 35 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,420 to, we need to figure out how to deal with it. And he comes in 36 00:02:15,420 --> 00:02:18,540 and he's like, that's not your place. That's not your right. 37 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,040 You're wrong. Actually, you don't even understand what's 38 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,000 going on. And this is like a super sweet human who never 39 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,260 yelled at anybody, and he's yelling at me, and I just 40 00:02:30,260 --> 00:02:33,020 couldn't understand. I'm like, Oh my gosh. Like, this is I'm 41 00:02:33,020 --> 00:02:36,020 actually for this other person, right? I see something that's 42 00:02:36,020 --> 00:02:39,260 bad. I care about them enough to want to do something about it. 43 00:02:39,260 --> 00:02:43,960 And I was really confused. So I go and talk to my mentor, and 44 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,520 I'm like, Hey, I see this thing that's not good. I brought it up 45 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,800 to somebody, right? Thought that's what I was supposed to 46 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,000 do, and it blew up in my face. In fact, now I'm in relational 47 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,540 rift with someone who doesn't even like, like, I must have 48 00:02:58,540 --> 00:03:00,900 really hurt him, because he never gets in a relational 49 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:04,680 breath. And my mentor goes, Okay, well, you think you're 50 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,220 seeing what God you think you've seen what God has seen like you 51 00:03:08,220 --> 00:03:11,400 think that what you're seeing is accurate. And I'm like, yeah. 52 00:03:11,580 --> 00:03:16,080 He's like, Okay, so do you love this person? Do you care about 53 00:03:16,260 --> 00:03:19,020 about who they are? And I'm like, Yeah, I really care about 54 00:03:19,020 --> 00:03:23,540 who they are. He's like, okay, is God showing them this 55 00:03:23,540 --> 00:03:28,820 situation? And I said, when no, like, that's why I needed to go 56 00:03:28,820 --> 00:03:32,480 talk to them about it. And he's like, Wait a second. Do they 57 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:38,600 hear from God? Do they pray? Do they follow God? And I was like, 58 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,360 yeah. He's like, okay, so if God's not talking to him about 59 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:49,660 it, why are you Oh? And I was like, oh, oh, like, like 60 00:03:49,660 --> 00:03:54,220 somebody had just punched me in the gut. I was like, wait, wait, 61 00:03:54,220 --> 00:03:58,360 wait a minute. What? Like, I thought that was my job. Like, I 62 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,980 thought that that God was telling me so I could go talk to 63 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:04,620 them, because obviously they're not listening to God and they're 64 00:04:04,620 --> 00:04:07,440 not paying attention. And so he has to tell me to be like his 65 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,720 wingman, because he's not getting through so I got to do 66 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:16,860 it. And my mentor was like, yeah, no, no, wow. In fact, he 67 00:04:16,860 --> 00:04:21,200 said, If you ever talk to somebody about something that 68 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,160 God is not talking you are actually being disobedient. And 69 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,600 I was like, Oh my gosh, like I had to rethink so much about my 70 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,020 leadership, about my conversations, about the way I 71 00:04:33,020 --> 00:04:37,820 thought I loved my friends well, and I created this mantra to 72 00:04:37,820 --> 00:04:44,740 help me know how long to keep my mouth shut. And so for me, it's 73 00:04:44,740 --> 00:04:48,100 that, you know, do you have God's eyes? Do you have God's 74 00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:51,520 heart? Do you have God's tone? And added that one because, 75 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,060 like, oh, wait, sometimes God's really gentle and sometimes 76 00:04:55,060 --> 00:04:59,380 God's a little severe. So I also need to be with him so much that 77 00:04:59,380 --> 00:05:03,000 my tone. Tone matches this Holy Spirit's tone. So even though 78 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,200 I'm angry or upset or am intense, the Holy Spirit is 79 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:13,380 gentle. I gotta be gentle, and so timing. And then when I have 80 00:05:13,380 --> 00:05:15,840 all of those together, 81 00:05:16,860 --> 00:05:19,920 Unknown: then I can speak up. I just I'm thinking back to what 82 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,900 your mentor said to you in the questions that she or he, I'm 83 00:05:23,900 --> 00:05:27,320 not sure who it was he was talking to you about. He's like, 84 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,100 so do you love this person? You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 85 00:05:31,100 --> 00:05:36,620 yeah. Is this person like talking to God? Like, is praying 86 00:05:36,620 --> 00:05:40,100 to God, speaking to God, hearing from God? And I'm just curious, 87 00:05:40,100 --> 00:05:43,000 like, if that answer would have come back, like, No, I don't 88 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,500 know, you know. Like, I wonder with because it's interesting, 89 00:05:48,580 --> 00:05:52,600 because, like, Jake's dad, of great pastor, Paul, would always 90 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:57,640 say, if somebody is not aware of like, their sin, you got to 91 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,380 hammer them with the law and make them feel like the guilt of 92 00:06:01,380 --> 00:06:04,020 what they've gone through. But he goes, most people know that 93 00:06:04,020 --> 00:06:06,420 they're sinners, and so that's why we've got to share the 94 00:06:06,420 --> 00:06:10,320 gospel with them, like we've got to be graceful and show them the 95 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,440 gospel. And it's only in those like and I think back to a time 96 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:18,360 Jake and I had to visit this one kid in prison who had murdered 97 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:23,180 his mom and buried her in a church and and it was like the 98 00:06:23,180 --> 00:06:28,100 first big time prison visit I ever met. And I walked in, and I 99 00:06:28,100 --> 00:06:32,300 sat down, and I could just feel like the I could feel the pain 100 00:06:32,300 --> 00:06:34,820 of all the souls in that building. And it was just so 101 00:06:34,820 --> 00:06:40,100 dark. And I sat down, and he sat down, and it's like 12 hours, 24 102 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:43,240 hours after he had murdered his mom, and he goes, Yeah, they're 103 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:48,640 calling me famous in here. And I'm like, Oh my God. Like you're 104 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,060 famous because you killed your mom. I like your card system. I 105 00:06:52,060 --> 00:06:56,320 like the ability to to sit down and say, Oh my gosh. Am I 106 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,100 mimicking the voice of the Holy Spirit? Am I seeing that person 107 00:07:00,100 --> 00:07:03,840 as somebody that is God's creation, Am I doing it in a 108 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:07,380 loving way and walking beside them? That's really important. 109 00:07:07,380 --> 00:07:11,280 And I think what a wake up call, and what a punch to the gut when 110 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:16,140 you thought as a young Christian that I'm actually speaking as 111 00:07:16,140 --> 00:07:19,320 I'm the voice, I'm like, ushering in the voice of God. 112 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,340 And they're like, Yeah, you're really not. You're just kind of 113 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,720 impeding the whole process. So chill out, Jacob. What do you 114 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,640 think about this whole thing? Yeah, 115 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,340 Jacob: I think what came to my mind as Jesse was talking was 116 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,980 there's a way of talking about ministry that I picked up in a 117 00:07:33,980 --> 00:07:36,980 community I used to be a part of where we said it's about coming 118 00:07:36,980 --> 00:07:41,500 into agreement with the Holy Spirit, okay? And so it's about 119 00:07:41,500 --> 00:07:44,260 discerning what God is saying in the moment. And then I don't 120 00:07:44,260 --> 00:07:47,800 actually have to have to say anything new. I just have to say 121 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,840 what God is saying. And so like, the image in my mind is like, if 122 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,920 there's me and the person with whom I'm ministering, and 123 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,660 there's God, it's about trying to bring those, the three of us 124 00:08:00,660 --> 00:08:03,600 into alignment. So like, if it's somebody who's in need of a word 125 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,500 of hope, I don't have to conjure one. I just have to help them 126 00:08:07,500 --> 00:08:10,320 hear God's word of hope by agreeing with the Holy Spirit. 127 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,700 If it's somebody who needs confrontation, I don't have to 128 00:08:15,420 --> 00:08:18,180 bring the confrontation, like you said, they're already 129 00:08:18,180 --> 00:08:22,100 experiencing the con, like the condemnation of their sin. I 130 00:08:22,460 --> 00:08:25,640 just have to come into agreement with the reality of the moment, 131 00:08:25,700 --> 00:08:30,800 fair and so. So I think what it does is it takes pressure off, 132 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,740 because I don't have to show up and and do something. I just 133 00:08:36,740 --> 00:08:40,100 have to, I just have to find a way to come into alignment with 134 00:08:40,100 --> 00:08:43,000 what the Spirit is doing. So how do you do that? God's eyes, 135 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,920 God's heart, God's tone, God's timing. No, 136 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:46,960 Jessie Cruickshank: so Chris, you would ask to ask the 137 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,020 question, what if they weren't hearing from the Holy Spirit, 138 00:08:50,020 --> 00:08:53,380 right? And, and I kind of wrestled through that a little 139 00:08:53,380 --> 00:08:57,100 bit in the conclusion that I got to is like, who am I to judge? 140 00:08:57,580 --> 00:09:02,220 How? How do I know what God is saying to them in their heart, 141 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:07,200 in their innermost being, God's dreams, like, I don't like, I 142 00:09:07,260 --> 00:09:11,460 don't get to judge that actually, in fact, like, it even 143 00:09:11,460 --> 00:09:15,600 bothers me when other people are like, well, I don't know. Maybe 144 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,800 that was just you and and, look, I'm for testing a word, but I'm 145 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,840 not for and validating the way that somebody else. So my answer 146 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:28,700 was, I can't judge their part. All I can do is sit with the 147 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:33,200 Lord and work through my part right, which is eyes, heart, 148 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,160 tone and timing. And so when I'm struggling to answer the 149 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,500 question, Do I speak up or not? Do I say something here? I 150 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:42,580 actually just use them as journal prompts and say, Okay, 151 00:09:42,580 --> 00:09:45,640 I'm going to sit with the Lord. What do I do? I have God's eyes. 152 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,260 What do I see? And Holy Spirit, what do you see? And are those 153 00:09:50,260 --> 00:09:54,340 in alignment, like Jake said, God's heart. Do I love them the 154 00:09:54,340 --> 00:09:56,980 way that God loves them? Because if I'm just trying to fix them, 155 00:09:56,980 --> 00:09:59,320 then I don't love them the way God loves them. If I'm if I'm 156 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,340 annoyed, if they're. Frustrating me, if they're inconvenient, if 157 00:10:02,340 --> 00:10:06,300 I feel triggered or harmed, I am not loving the way them, the way 158 00:10:06,300 --> 00:10:11,220 that God loves them. And so like that one, that one doesn't check 159 00:10:11,220 --> 00:10:15,120 off, you know? So I just use them as journal prompts and and 160 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,200 sometimes I've come to the conclusion that I'm too in this 161 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,540 situation. I'm too affected by the situation to be the person 162 00:10:23,540 --> 00:10:29,120 who speaks up, because I can't get to the place where I can 163 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:35,360 just be in alignment with the Holy Spirit and not be upset in 164 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,720 this situation, and the tone is something I can't figure out how 165 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,680 to get to. Now I'll keep doing my work with the Lord to get 166 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:45,400 there and forgiveness processes and things like that. But it may 167 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,400 sometimes, I'm like, God, you got to send them somebody else, 168 00:10:48,460 --> 00:10:51,820 because it's just not me. Yeah, it's not me. I can't do this. 169 00:10:52,060 --> 00:10:55,720 Then I can turn that into praying for them and just 170 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,940 saying, God, you gotta, you gotta send somebody else. 171 00:10:58,060 --> 00:11:01,060 Unknown: I was a part of a discipleship community. I 172 00:11:01,060 --> 00:11:03,960 mentioned it before, like a mission team I was a part of for 173 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,140 a year, and so we were in teams of seven, and we traveled 174 00:11:07,140 --> 00:11:10,020 together, and we served together, and we often lived in 175 00:11:10,020 --> 00:11:12,240 the same place together. So we spent a lot of time together, 176 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,720 but we had, like, a regular practice of feedback a couple 177 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,080 times a week, and we had a couple of rules. One was like, 178 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,360 if somebody gave you feedback, the first thing you had to say 179 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:28,640 was Thank you, and if you had a reaction, you couldn't give it 180 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,540 right. Then that was an initial rule. It got a little we flexed 181 00:11:32,540 --> 00:11:35,180 on that one a little bit eventually. But then the other 182 00:11:35,180 --> 00:11:38,720 rule was the 24 hour rule, which was like, if you have something 183 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,800 to say, you have to say it within 24 hours. Now, the 184 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,240 expectation was that you were using the time to prepare, and 185 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,700 that would be like we didn't have this language in that 186 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:51,280 community, but that would be when you're journaling God's 187 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,340 eyes, God's heart, God's tone, God's timing, and you're 188 00:11:54,340 --> 00:11:58,300 preparing to offer the feedback to the other person in a way 189 00:11:58,300 --> 00:12:01,440 that you're hopefully coming into alignment with what God is 190 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,940 already saying to them in my community now, like as a part of 191 00:12:05,940 --> 00:12:08,520 a church, I don't see people nearly as often as I did when I 192 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,240 was on that ministry team. So I don't use a 24 hour rule, 193 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,640 because I just don't see them often enough, but I will give 194 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,660 myself a deadline, like, I need to have this conversation before 195 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:21,920 x point, or I know we have this meeting coming up, I need to 196 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,460 have a one on one conversation before that meeting. And that'll 197 00:12:25,460 --> 00:12:28,640 that gives me some accountability to do the work I 198 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,340 need to do to make sure that what I'm communicating is being 199 00:12:31,340 --> 00:12:33,800 communicated with God's eyes, God's heart, God's telling, 200 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:34,400 God's timing. 201 00:12:35,300 --> 00:12:37,160 Jessie Cruickshank: So I think about doing this like in a work 202 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,960 right? Because, because most of us have jobs, and most of us are 203 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,720 out there and like, this is a big deal in our work 204 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,420 environments. Like, what do you what do you say? What do you you 205 00:12:46,420 --> 00:12:48,940 know, do you stand up for yourself? Do you not? Do you 206 00:12:48,940 --> 00:12:51,940 just absorb it? And like, Oh, they're having a bad day, right? 207 00:12:52,300 --> 00:12:55,360 And so using these journal prompts with with family and 208 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,080 coworkers, for me, has been super helpful, because, like, 209 00:12:59,140 --> 00:13:02,580 like, Jacob said, I'm like, okay, maybe I'm supposed to hold 210 00:13:02,580 --> 00:13:06,120 space with this, but I want to do that because God has asked me 211 00:13:06,180 --> 00:13:09,480 to not because I don't think that my opinion or perspective 212 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,500 is valid or valuable, right? I don't want to absorb it because 213 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:16,080 I'm somebody's punching bag. I want to absorb it because I 214 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,680 stand with Christ, who died on the cross, and I can say, You 215 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:23,600 know what? I can, I can, I can take this and give it back to 216 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,860 Jesus. So I don't resist saying something because I agree with a 217 00:13:27,860 --> 00:13:31,160 narrative that's not true. I resist saying something because 218 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:37,040 I'm agreeing with God's story. And God's story says, Wait, hang 219 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,780 on, I've got grace for you in this. Or God's story is like, 220 00:13:40,780 --> 00:13:44,380 you know what? It's time to say something, and there's grace to 221 00:13:44,380 --> 00:13:49,540 do it with his tone, and he's showing you that timing. And the 222 00:13:49,540 --> 00:13:55,900 timing is, usually they bring it up first. It's, it's hardly ever 223 00:13:55,900 --> 00:14:01,860 like 1% a confrontive, you know, blind spot kind of conversation. 224 00:14:02,220 --> 00:14:05,040 Usually I wait for the teachable moment or for them to say 225 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,280 something, and I'm just confirming because that's a life 226 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,580 giving conversation while punching somebody in the face 227 00:14:11,700 --> 00:14:14,040 with their blind spot or something they did in an 228 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,100 accusational way. That's not a life giving conversation. God's 229 00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:17,880 got to redeem that 230 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:22,700 Unknown: right? So when to speak up, when to hold back. God's 231 00:14:22,700 --> 00:14:27,380 heart, God's eyes, God's mind, God's what I almost got it, 232 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:34,280 God's eyes, okay? God's tone and God's timing. That's how you do 233 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,360 it. Right there in the middle of that delightful sticker is the 234 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,460 huology logo. I think that's gonna do it for this episode. I 235 00:14:42,460 --> 00:14:45,100 think we've kind of hammered it out. I think we've got it 236 00:14:45,100 --> 00:14:49,900 figured out now. So thank you guys so much for joining us to 237 00:14:49,900 --> 00:14:54,940 for the ordinary discipleship podcast. And if you liked this 238 00:14:54,940 --> 00:14:58,240 episode, make sure to share it on your socials. Make sure to 239 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,520 review it. Make sure to give us five. Of stars and Jesse. If 240 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,640 they want to know more about the amazing work you do with the 241 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,060 kingdom through hoology, what can they do? We're 242 00:15:09,060 --> 00:15:10,980 Jessie Cruickshank: going to share out Jacob's cell phone and 243 00:15:10,980 --> 00:15:14,880 email address so they can just reach out to him anytime he's 244 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:19,620 available. 24/7, especially for counseling problems and church 245 00:15:19,620 --> 00:15:23,660 hurt conversations. So if you want him to come talk to your 246 00:15:23,660 --> 00:15:28,160 pastor, please give him a call. He's really good at that. But if 247 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,220 for whatever reason, that number or that email address just don't 248 00:15:31,220 --> 00:15:33,740 seem to be working, you can always find us@houology.co 249 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,120 that's W, H, O, o, l, o, G, y.co. 250 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,260 Unknown: Awesome guys, thank you. Jacob Jesse, we will see 251 00:15:44,260 --> 00:15:47,560 you next time on the ordinary discipleship podcast. God bless 252 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,300 and we'll talk to you soon. Bye. 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