WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.920 --> 00:00:09.059 Welcome everyone to the DC Beer Show, and it's Oktoberfest 2 00:00:09.360 --> 00:00:12.960 season. We are @DCBeer across social 3 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:16.445 media. Brandy, are you drinking on this lovely fall evening? 4 00:00:16.745 --> 00:00:20.445 Oh, Jake, I am having a Human 5 00:00:20.905 --> 00:00:24.125 Robot dry hop Czech style lager, 6 00:00:24.825 --> 00:00:28.505 so it's pretty good. Thanks to our dear friend, Bree, over at 7 00:00:28.505 --> 00:00:32.059 Right Proper for hauling down some Human 8 00:00:32.059 --> 00:00:35.820 Robot for for Matt and I. So thank you, Brie. Love you. Speaking 9 00:00:35.820 --> 00:00:38.480 of Right Proper, Right Proper 10 00:00:39.260 --> 00:00:42.940 did a collab with the Heurich House or Heurich 11 00:00:42.940 --> 00:00:46.755 House for the their Maerzen beer and Lost Lagers as 12 00:00:46.755 --> 00:00:50.275 well. So if you are out and about, you should go 13 00:00:50.275 --> 00:00:53.955 support that delicious beer. I that Maerzen is really 14 00:00:53.955 --> 00:00:57.395 good, Jake. Have you had it? Yes. I have indeed had it. And by the 15 00:00:57.395 --> 00:01:00.829 way, Right Proper Brookland, now open 7 days a week, 16 00:01:00.829 --> 00:01:04.110 including Thursdays, all night happy hour. So 17 00:01:04.430 --> 00:01:07.790 That's awesome. Jake, what are you drinking? So I've got 18 00:01:07.790 --> 00:01:11.229 here not a Czech lager, but a German style 19 00:01:11.229 --> 00:01:14.595 lager. It is Franklin's Oktoberfest Festbier 20 00:01:15.375 --> 00:01:18.115 from Jeff Hancock, formerly of DC Brau. 21 00:01:18.895 --> 00:01:22.655 It's kind of like too dark to be a Festbier and too light to be 22 00:01:22.655 --> 00:01:26.495 a Maerzen, but it's phenomenal. It's one of the best examples I've 23 00:01:26.495 --> 00:01:30.190 had this style anywhere. I took a sip. I said, 24 00:01:30.190 --> 00:01:33.890 wow. And then I immediately went and filled up a growler, 25 00:01:33.950 --> 00:01:37.630 which is something that I haven't done in a long, long 26 00:01:37.630 --> 00:01:41.454 time. Growlers. It feels like another century, but, 27 00:01:41.615 --> 00:01:45.375 this one's worth it. Please, I implore you, make a trip to 28 00:01:45.375 --> 00:01:48.895 Hyattsville. Eat a giant pretzel at Franklin's. Have a bunch of 29 00:01:48.895 --> 00:01:52.560 sausage. Drink this beer. It's really, really good. Just 30 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:56.159 like an exceptional, like, kind of like hybrid of an Oktoberfest and Fest 31 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:59.920 beer. Really well done. I can't wait to try it. Thanks, Jake. 32 00:02:00.240 --> 00:02:04.080 I have a actually, haven't been over to Franklin's in a while. As Jake 33 00:02:04.080 --> 00:02:07.220 mentioned previously, it is Oktoberfest season, 34 00:02:08.525 --> 00:02:12.065 and I kicked off, Oktoberfest season 35 00:02:12.125 --> 00:02:15.885 at Wheatland Spring this past weekend. And if you haven't 36 00:02:15.885 --> 00:02:19.485 been till Wheatland Spring's Oktoberfest, it is it is a sight to 37 00:02:19.485 --> 00:02:23.330 see. It's not only breathtakingly gorgeous there, but the 38 00:02:23.330 --> 00:02:26.850 beers, when you have them fresh at the farm, it it's 39 00:02:26.850 --> 00:02:30.610 just unrivaled. It was a beautiful crowd, and it 40 00:02:30.610 --> 00:02:34.450 really just got the mood pumped up. So I'm here 41 00:02:34.450 --> 00:02:38.205 for all the Oktoberfest this the upcoming month and a half, 42 00:02:38.925 --> 00:02:42.305 starting with with Other Half's, which is tomorrow, 43 00:02:42.365 --> 00:02:46.125 Saturday. And, I will definitely be 44 00:02:46.125 --> 00:02:49.965 there. I will attend the Stein holding contest, but I'm sure I 45 00:02:49.965 --> 00:02:53.740 will fail. Thanks, rotator cuff injury. But I'm here for 46 00:02:53.740 --> 00:02:57.340 all the beer for sure. And then on 25th, the 47 00:02:57.340 --> 00:03:01.100 Women's Brew Culture Club is going to be back at Other Half. It's a 48 00:03:01.100 --> 00:03:04.320 very Other Half heavy month for us again, 49 00:03:04.905 --> 00:03:08.105 but Jordan will be doing trivia that night as well. So it's a 2fer. It's 50 00:03:08.105 --> 00:03:11.165 a double hitter. So we hope to see everybody on on, 51 00:03:11.865 --> 00:03:15.545 September 25th. Jake, what's going on? And there's so many things 52 00:03:15.545 --> 00:03:18.985 going on. Yeah. There are so many other Oktoberfest. There's also, 53 00:03:19.600 --> 00:03:23.220 Port City's Wönderfest is also this weekend, 54 00:03:23.920 --> 00:03:27.460 and so there'll be a whole bunch of German style lagers 55 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:30.980 there. They'll also still have their collab with Stone Richmond 56 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:35.095 and Soul Mega. It's an IPA, and it's 57 00:03:35.095 --> 00:03:38.855 got Thai basil adding some of these anis fennel 58 00:03:38.855 --> 00:03:41.915 licoricey notes and lemon peel. 59 00:03:42.375 --> 00:03:46.135 So an adjunct IPA, not something you normally see 60 00:03:46.135 --> 00:03:49.830 from Port City, not something you normally see from Stone or Soul 61 00:03:49.830 --> 00:03:53.670 Mega for that matter, but, like, a cool collab. They're gonna be taking this on 62 00:03:53.670 --> 00:03:57.270 the road. They did a party at Church Key last week. There'll be other 63 00:03:57.270 --> 00:03:59.210 parties coming up. Watch dcbeer.com/events. 64 00:04:00.975 --> 00:04:04.655 Watch their socials. We also don't normally direct 65 00:04:04.655 --> 00:04:08.335 you towards other sites, but Fritz Hahn at the Washington Post has this 66 00:04:08.335 --> 00:04:11.855 great write up of the area Oktoberfests. It's worth taking a look 67 00:04:11.855 --> 00:04:14.915 at if you just Google Fritz Hahn, h a h n. 68 00:04:15.640 --> 00:04:19.339 Oktoberfest Washington Post, you'll see a whole bunch of that stuff 69 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:23.400 coming up. I actually had one of those Port City Soul Mega 70 00:04:23.400 --> 00:04:27.160 stone beers right before I opened this Human Robot. It 71 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.885 was it was interesting but good. Like, it I 72 00:04:30.885 --> 00:04:34.425 I can't I couldn't put my finger on it, but it was it gives 73 00:04:34.805 --> 00:04:38.325 nothing that I've had from Port City for sure before. But 74 00:04:38.325 --> 00:04:41.865 definitely go check it out for yourself. It's exciting to have such a 75 00:04:41.925 --> 00:04:45.720 interesting collab. So it's kind of a first, 76 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:48.919 I think, for the DMV. Yeah. You drink it, and you're like, this is an 77 00:04:48.919 --> 00:04:52.440 IPA, I guess, but and it's just like this weird, 78 00:04:52.840 --> 00:04:56.440 it's still very citrus y, but there's also this kind of, like, herbal savory 79 00:04:56.440 --> 00:05:00.175 twist to it. But it all plays really well, even if you're not 80 00:05:00.175 --> 00:05:03.695 into, like, absinthe or perno or licorice 81 00:05:03.695 --> 00:05:07.535 jelly beans. It does not taste like that. I wanna 82 00:05:07.535 --> 00:05:11.295 know where the brown ales are, Jake. Do you know anybody who's making any 83 00:05:11.295 --> 00:05:14.980 brown ales for your girl, Brandy? Why, yes. I do know of at 84 00:05:14.980 --> 00:05:18.740 least 1 brewery, local brewery, who is making a 85 00:05:18.740 --> 00:05:22.100 brown ale. And in fact, I think you'll be seeing it 86 00:05:22.100 --> 00:05:25.640 at beer fest very, very soon. 87 00:05:26.275 --> 00:05:29.975 Let's take it away with guest number 1. 88 00:05:30.435 --> 00:05:33.875 Welcome. We're here with Brett Robison and Christian 89 00:05:33.875 --> 00:05:37.635 Layke, cofounders of Silver Branch, as well as their art 90 00:05:37.635 --> 00:05:40.950 director and, media person, man about town, 91 00:05:41.270 --> 00:05:45.030 Chris Bonnell. We have 2 big pieces of news here, 92 00:05:45.030 --> 00:05:48.650 but I thought we'd do the first because it's most relevant to Brandy. 93 00:05:49.190 --> 00:05:52.710 What do you all bring this in Snallygaster? We are going to be bringing our 94 00:05:52.710 --> 00:05:55.530 brand new brown ale called Fletcher's Finest. 95 00:05:56.875 --> 00:05:59.995 And what else are we bringing, Chris? Oh, our, 96 00:06:00.555 --> 00:06:04.155 GABF silver medal winning Oktoberfest. Is that 97 00:06:04.155 --> 00:06:07.995 why you said it's for Brandy? Hashtag brown 98 00:06:07.995 --> 00:06:11.670 ale Brandy. Yes. And the Brown Ale, moreover, is gonna 99 00:06:11.670 --> 00:06:15.270 be being served out of cask. Oh. Going full on 100 00:06:15.270 --> 00:06:19.110 traditional here. That's excellent. So no doubt you're gonna 101 00:06:19.110 --> 00:06:22.895 see us at your table for both of those. Although you may 102 00:06:22.895 --> 00:06:26.655 see some of us tonight because this episode airs on 103 00:06:26.655 --> 00:06:30.095 Friday for the 6:45 Stein line. The second 104 00:06:30.095 --> 00:06:33.395 big piece of news is the potential for 105 00:06:33.695 --> 00:06:36.915 Silver Branch Rockville Beer Works. Congratulations. 106 00:06:37.710 --> 00:06:41.230 Wondering if you can just tell us a little bit about the challenges that you've 107 00:06:41.230 --> 00:06:44.770 faced brewing in a confined space 108 00:06:44.910 --> 00:06:48.370 with now room for physical growth in Silver Spring. 109 00:06:48.830 --> 00:06:52.615 Well, the story of having to, shift for COVID 110 00:06:52.615 --> 00:06:55.995 is an old one. But for us, that shift entailed 111 00:06:56.215 --> 00:07:00.055 growing our wholesale much, much more rapidly than we dreamed we 112 00:07:00.055 --> 00:07:03.815 would. When we started Silver Branch, we always knew we wanted to be 113 00:07:03.815 --> 00:07:07.629 in a distribution brewery. That's why we, you know, took a 10,000 114 00:07:07.629 --> 00:07:11.069 square foot space instead of a smaller one. And we intended 115 00:07:11.069 --> 00:07:14.050 to, continue brewing there for, 116 00:07:14.830 --> 00:07:18.590 years and to grow the wholesale into a place where it would make sense to 117 00:07:18.590 --> 00:07:22.125 move to another brewery. But when, COVID hit, we 118 00:07:22.125 --> 00:07:25.745 grew, grew, grew, honey where we possibly could, and at that point in time, 119 00:07:25.805 --> 00:07:29.645 it was in wholesale. And so, we 120 00:07:29.645 --> 00:07:32.945 we got to the point where we were, nearly 3,000 121 00:07:33.245 --> 00:07:36.710 barrels in production. And then when the, 122 00:07:37.250 --> 00:07:40.690 you know, the taproom was able to be back open, people started coming out in 123 00:07:40.690 --> 00:07:43.910 greater numbers again. All of the space that we have been using, 124 00:07:44.450 --> 00:07:48.210 in the taproom to store empty kegs, to store 125 00:07:48.210 --> 00:07:52.035 pallets of beer that were waiting to go out, etcetera, etcetera, were no 126 00:07:52.035 --> 00:07:55.715 longer available. And so since 127 00:07:55.715 --> 00:07:59.475 then, it has been a constant juggling act to figure out how 128 00:07:59.475 --> 00:08:03.235 to, accommodate both brewing at the scale 129 00:08:03.235 --> 00:08:06.789 that we are brewing at, for wholesale and 130 00:08:06.789 --> 00:08:10.410 to accommodate all of the guests, including private events that we do. 131 00:08:10.630 --> 00:08:14.310 And so I think as you know from previous conversations we've had, we actually have 132 00:08:14.310 --> 00:08:17.990 made 2 attempts to expand our brewing, in the 133 00:08:17.990 --> 00:08:21.775 past. And, now this is, this is the the 134 00:08:21.775 --> 00:08:25.475 next time, that we're making such an attempt, and we're super excited. 135 00:08:25.535 --> 00:08:29.375 3rd time's a charm. That's right. So you all have 136 00:08:29.375 --> 00:08:33.160 noticed now that you've been in Silver Spring for 5 137 00:08:33.160 --> 00:08:36.620 or 6 years, including the build out. How has 138 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:40.760 the downtown area changed, and where do you 139 00:08:40.760 --> 00:08:43.740 see both events and expanded food 140 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:47.880 fitting into that? So downtown is especially right where we're 141 00:08:47.880 --> 00:08:51.615 situated. It's kind of interesting. I know that the Purple Line 142 00:08:51.615 --> 00:08:55.214 is a long held myth that nobody has believed is actually 143 00:08:55.214 --> 00:08:58.894 gonna come to fruition. But if you're sitting in the beer garden, you 144 00:08:58.894 --> 00:09:02.575 can physically see the walking trail or the bike trail that they're 145 00:09:02.575 --> 00:09:06.300 creating, and you can also see a lot of the construction work. 146 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:10.200 So this summer, we actually the metro was shut down going on a portion of 147 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:14.040 the red line to do some pretty extensive work on building out, 148 00:09:14.760 --> 00:09:18.355 the Purple Line. So that, obviously, you know, going right through the center of 149 00:09:18.355 --> 00:09:21.955 Colesville, is is changing some of the appearance of everything. 150 00:09:21.955 --> 00:09:25.635 But, you know, on the other side of this, connecting College 151 00:09:25.635 --> 00:09:29.015 Park to Silver Spring and then ultimately to Bethesda, 152 00:09:29.715 --> 00:09:32.940 I think, is a really exciting change that we welcome, 153 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:37.079 you know, once that construction's done. But it looks it's it's 154 00:09:37.079 --> 00:09:40.680 real. They are actually building the Purple Line now. Christian, 155 00:09:40.680 --> 00:09:44.459 you've got experience brewing in Rockville already. 156 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:48.445 When it came time to look for another brewery 157 00:09:48.505 --> 00:09:51.245 location, where else did you look besides 158 00:09:52.265 --> 00:09:56.045 Rockville? There's nowhere we did not look in the DMV 159 00:09:56.345 --> 00:09:59.085 area. We have been turning over 160 00:09:59.790 --> 00:10:03.550 stones everywhere we could possibly find a stone in the hopes of finding 161 00:10:03.550 --> 00:10:06.910 the magic location where, it would make sense to take 162 00:10:06.910 --> 00:10:10.590 our, our production level brewing. As you know, we have a 163 00:10:10.590 --> 00:10:14.405 brewery in in Warrenton that's great for smaller amounts 164 00:10:14.865 --> 00:10:18.705 of beer, but it's never going to address any needs in terms of 165 00:10:18.705 --> 00:10:22.545 of wholesale level production. And so, you know, 166 00:10:22.545 --> 00:10:26.000 the the things we've looked at in the past have always been more industrial 167 00:10:26.140 --> 00:10:29.280 style places that would be able to, you know, handle 168 00:10:29.820 --> 00:10:33.580 semi trailer trucks loading up, beer and from a from a loading dock 169 00:10:33.580 --> 00:10:37.340 and things like that. So, yeah, we've looked in Virginia. We've 170 00:10:37.340 --> 00:10:39.920 looked in DC. We've actually looked in Baltimore. 171 00:10:41.225 --> 00:10:44.685 And it's, amazing how many reasons that, 172 00:10:45.225 --> 00:10:48.904 a place can seem to be perfect, except 173 00:10:48.904 --> 00:10:52.425 for in one fatal flaw way. And 174 00:10:52.425 --> 00:10:56.130 so, in each case, we've just been disappointed again and again. And 175 00:10:56.530 --> 00:11:00.290 And and not too long ago, we we kinda gave up on Virginia because, 176 00:11:00.530 --> 00:11:04.050 it was just gonna be impossible for any of our existing brewing team to to 177 00:11:04.050 --> 00:11:07.810 work in Virginia, and that was something that we weren't willing to, you 178 00:11:07.810 --> 00:11:11.535 know, to do is to, you know, sort of disrupt, that that team and and 179 00:11:11.535 --> 00:11:15.295 their ability to work together so well. So we we really started 180 00:11:15.295 --> 00:11:19.135 looking only in Maryland, and, we're feeling really fortunate 181 00:11:19.135 --> 00:11:22.835 to have, found a spot that we're excited about. I'd like to 182 00:11:22.975 --> 00:11:26.540 talk to Chris because now that you have 183 00:11:26.540 --> 00:11:30.320 2 locations and you're gonna be opening another location, 184 00:11:30.860 --> 00:11:34.560 from an artistic standpoint, is the new location 185 00:11:34.700 --> 00:11:38.375 going to maybe have a different, slightly 186 00:11:38.375 --> 00:11:41.515 different look as far as can art goes, taproom, 187 00:11:42.455 --> 00:11:45.915 ambiance, and look, just so you can differentiate 188 00:11:46.215 --> 00:11:49.515 but still keep the same kind of Silver Branch 189 00:11:50.295 --> 00:11:53.959 style? Well, we've always, had as 190 00:11:53.959 --> 00:11:57.660 as a core of our brand, the the international 191 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:01.260 brewing culture. So Central Europe, British Isles, 192 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:05.155 America, and, Belgium. And I think with multiple tap 193 00:12:05.155 --> 00:12:08.995 rooms, we're going to try to move each of them actually into those 194 00:12:08.995 --> 00:12:12.835 spaces in one way or another. So more like the the Lager House 195 00:12:12.835 --> 00:12:16.470 and beer garden, we're sort of insinuating that it's, you know, 196 00:12:16.470 --> 00:12:20.149 Munich or, even a, you know, Czech style kind 197 00:12:20.149 --> 00:12:23.990 of beer garden taproom. We're we might lean more into 198 00:12:23.990 --> 00:12:27.430 the Belgian style in, in Warrenton more as we 199 00:12:27.430 --> 00:12:31.235 develop that space. And then the the beer works is where 200 00:12:31.235 --> 00:12:35.075 we tap into, Americas. So I think we're really into 201 00:12:35.075 --> 00:12:38.834 the the beer cities, not just nations, but but where the the 202 00:12:38.834 --> 00:12:42.540 origin of certain styles come from. So we've been kind of talking 203 00:12:42.540 --> 00:12:45.680 about, you know, major American beer cities. 204 00:12:46.380 --> 00:12:49.900 We do we have some exciting, you know, like brand 205 00:12:49.900 --> 00:12:53.360 refreshes and then whole new lines of things, coming up. 206 00:12:53.420 --> 00:12:57.115 And this is a a really great opportunity for us because not only 207 00:12:57.115 --> 00:13:00.955 are we able to increase, capacity for wholesale for for 208 00:13:00.955 --> 00:13:04.555 certain lines of beer, certain brands, we we have the opportunity to 209 00:13:04.555 --> 00:13:08.315 make new brands and actually maybe even new brand lines. So as an 210 00:13:08.315 --> 00:13:11.889 artist and a promoter, I'm I'm thrilled 211 00:13:11.949 --> 00:13:15.009 for for what we have ahead. It's gonna be really exciting. Awesome. 212 00:13:15.470 --> 00:13:19.149 So you all are about to be making, I guess, really, it's 213 00:13:19.149 --> 00:13:22.930 probably gonna be 2 or 3 years down the road, a lot more 214 00:13:23.149 --> 00:13:26.695 beer. Do you have plans to expand beyond 215 00:13:26.915 --> 00:13:30.675 beer as well? Hard seltzers, something 216 00:13:30.675 --> 00:13:33.655 perhaps getting a distiller's license, something ready to drink, 217 00:13:35.075 --> 00:13:38.740 ready to drink cock canned cocktails, things things of that nature 218 00:13:39.040 --> 00:13:42.660 as you embark on this Rockville, a more production 219 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:46.480 focused brewery. Get it? Embark? I'm 220 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:49.920 just kidding. Shout out to Jake's 221 00:13:49.920 --> 00:13:53.415 dog. Christian, do you wanna take this one, or do you want me to? 222 00:13:53.654 --> 00:13:55.915 I think this is has you written all over it? 223 00:13:58.134 --> 00:14:01.834 Yeah. So what's interesting about the Silver Branch 224 00:14:01.894 --> 00:14:05.595 brand in general is that we do you know, we 225 00:14:05.654 --> 00:14:09.390 we pay homage to so much tradition about where these beers 226 00:14:09.390 --> 00:14:13.170 come from and, you know, the the purpose and the place and 227 00:14:13.310 --> 00:14:17.150 the glassware that it's served in. So it's kind of hard to do 228 00:14:17.150 --> 00:14:20.530 a hard seltzer, with the same reverence 229 00:14:20.830 --> 00:14:24.475 or respect. There's no meaningful history behind 230 00:14:24.475 --> 00:14:28.155 it. So that's not to say that we don't have some early 231 00:14:28.155 --> 00:14:31.755 ideas in the hopper. The one category that we'd 232 00:14:31.755 --> 00:14:35.520 really like to dip our toes into that would be imminently more possible with 233 00:14:35.520 --> 00:14:38.960 the development of a Rockville location would actually be 234 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:42.260 Radlers. So I think that would be a better 235 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:46.240 natural fit for us to get into a flavor 236 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:49.654 forward space. And I think one thing that could be 237 00:14:49.654 --> 00:14:52.954 compelling about doing, for example, a grapefruit radler 238 00:14:53.415 --> 00:14:56.315 or a lemon radler is that it would be 239 00:14:57.095 --> 00:15:00.610 good for marketing to maybe a 240 00:15:00.610 --> 00:15:04.149 younger generation, early twenties, where you 241 00:15:04.290 --> 00:15:07.510 can put the flavor of the fruit forward as a big 242 00:15:07.730 --> 00:15:11.410 component of what that's going to be, but still staying 243 00:15:11.410 --> 00:15:15.195 close to the Silver Branch beer brand as it 244 00:15:15.195 --> 00:15:18.955 stands. Let's get into pizza. I mean, beer and pizza 245 00:15:18.955 --> 00:15:22.495 is a natural pairing. So there's certainly 246 00:15:22.635 --> 00:15:26.310 an affinity there. It seems like the 247 00:15:26.310 --> 00:15:29.690 the trend now, because you've got Sojourn, 248 00:15:30.470 --> 00:15:34.310 you have Crooked Run, Crooked Crab. It seems like when you open a 249 00:15:34.310 --> 00:15:37.865 brewery now, you know, they there needs to be food available, 250 00:15:38.105 --> 00:15:41.705 because there are people not drinking alcohol or, you know, 251 00:15:41.705 --> 00:15:45.305 creating more of a family space, instead of just, you know, 252 00:15:45.305 --> 00:15:48.904 drinking 21 and up. And it just seems like pizza 253 00:15:48.904 --> 00:15:52.720 is the go to. What makes your pizza gonna be 254 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:55.760 so special at Silver Branch? Well, I think, 255 00:15:56.560 --> 00:16:00.100 just backing up into something else that you said as part of this question, 256 00:16:00.640 --> 00:16:04.335 the idea that food is, kind of a requirement for 257 00:16:04.335 --> 00:16:08.015 a brewery these days, and I think that's absolutely true. You know, we have actually 258 00:16:08.015 --> 00:16:11.635 gone so far as to say that we think of ourselves as a hospitality company 259 00:16:11.855 --> 00:16:15.315 that has a beer a brewery brand as well, because 260 00:16:15.535 --> 00:16:18.755 what we really are is in the business of of giving people an amazing 261 00:16:18.895 --> 00:16:22.620 experience. Whether or not they crack a beer at home and enjoy it or whether 262 00:16:22.620 --> 00:16:26.459 they come to our tap rooms and experience our beautiful glassware and 263 00:16:26.459 --> 00:16:30.300 the ambiance of our of our tap rooms. It's all about, you know, creating 264 00:16:30.300 --> 00:16:34.065 this idea of community for people. And, especially 265 00:16:34.065 --> 00:16:37.745 when you see all of the hand wringing articles that you see these days 266 00:16:37.745 --> 00:16:41.585 about how preferences are changing among younger people and the, you know, beer 267 00:16:41.585 --> 00:16:44.945 sales are going down and things like that. Well, what isn't going out of style 268 00:16:44.945 --> 00:16:48.760 most certainly is the idea of going out with friends and having an amazing time. 269 00:16:48.980 --> 00:16:52.760 And so I think that that's part of the reason why you're seeing so many 270 00:16:53.060 --> 00:16:56.420 breweries begin to offer not just, you know, 271 00:16:56.420 --> 00:16:59.860 some small amount of of something that you can eat, but 272 00:16:59.860 --> 00:17:02.920 actually good quality, food of one sort or another. 273 00:17:03.595 --> 00:17:06.795 In terms of why it's pizza, I think, you know, as Jake said at the 274 00:17:06.795 --> 00:17:10.635 beginning of his question, because pizza is actually just one 275 00:17:10.635 --> 00:17:13.855 of these food that goes magically well with with beer. 276 00:17:14.875 --> 00:17:18.589 And so I think you you do see that as being something that people gravitate 277 00:17:18.589 --> 00:17:21.869 to. And luckily, you know, if you go around to different cities in the United 278 00:17:21.869 --> 00:17:25.069 States, you and not just United States but around the world, you can see that 279 00:17:25.069 --> 00:17:28.450 pizza, is done very differently in different locations. 280 00:17:29.645 --> 00:17:33.325 So, yeah, we we started, our pizza program in 281 00:17:33.325 --> 00:17:37.085 Warrenton a year ago when we opened there, and we have 2 282 00:17:37.085 --> 00:17:40.865 very, experienced and talented chefs. And they've put together 283 00:17:41.085 --> 00:17:44.820 a whole range of amazing pizzas, that that we're all 284 00:17:44.820 --> 00:17:48.660 incredibly, fond of and and proud of on their behalf. One thing 285 00:17:48.660 --> 00:17:51.380 I would like to say just for context for some people, if you if you're 286 00:17:51.380 --> 00:17:55.000 not familiar, we are currently, have pizza available in Warrenton, 287 00:17:55.895 --> 00:17:59.654 Warrenton Station. It's delicious. And, one thing I think that does set 288 00:17:59.654 --> 00:18:03.255 us apart is we have a secret weapon down there in Devon and, and 289 00:18:03.255 --> 00:18:07.015 Brian and the and the team. They're absolutely amazing. And, 290 00:18:07.495 --> 00:18:11.179 that that quality, similar to the quality of our beer, the food is is 291 00:18:11.179 --> 00:18:14.860 stellar. So that's I think that will be part of what set sets us 292 00:18:14.860 --> 00:18:18.460 apart. I did wanna add on to this, though, because I would say 293 00:18:18.460 --> 00:18:21.840 there's actually even though it hasn't fully formed yet, 294 00:18:22.285 --> 00:18:26.125 we do have some plans that will make this distinct. I think 295 00:18:26.125 --> 00:18:29.885 the way that we're going to approach branding this is different, maybe, 296 00:18:29.885 --> 00:18:33.265 than how, some other people have done it because 297 00:18:33.805 --> 00:18:37.309 it's all within the same entity. So it's the same 298 00:18:37.309 --> 00:18:40.990 people behind Soulbranch Brewing Company building a new 299 00:18:40.990 --> 00:18:44.669 brand concept called Mosaic Pizza. And with 300 00:18:44.669 --> 00:18:48.465 that, we're gonna do some fun stuff. I don't wanna reveal it. You'll have 301 00:18:48.465 --> 00:18:51.745 to find out when we get there. But we're gonna do some fun stuff with 302 00:18:51.745 --> 00:18:55.184 the pizza boxes, and it might almost look 303 00:18:55.184 --> 00:18:58.804 like a brewery that makes a bunch of different beer labels 304 00:18:59.424 --> 00:19:02.769 will also be building a pizza company. So 305 00:19:03.070 --> 00:19:06.909 when it's all said and done, I think you're gonna see it and 306 00:19:06.909 --> 00:19:10.269 be like, okay. This is pizza is a 307 00:19:10.269 --> 00:19:14.110 a, you know, been around forever, but the way 308 00:19:14.110 --> 00:19:17.265 that we're gonna do it is gonna come across as distinctively 309 00:19:17.565 --> 00:19:21.325 Silverbranch. We, as the public and 310 00:19:21.325 --> 00:19:25.085 everyone else because I'm sure folks popped up it popped up on 311 00:19:25.085 --> 00:19:28.845 their Facebook feed and Instagram feed, and I know Jake got an article out 312 00:19:28.845 --> 00:19:32.140 today. I know that there 313 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:37.000 is a lot of funding that goes into this. How you guys wanna tell us 314 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:40.840 about that and how we, as the public, can help? We do. 315 00:19:40.840 --> 00:19:44.375 We we really wanna tell you about that because we just launched, 316 00:19:44.755 --> 00:19:48.295 our crowdfunding equity campaign today through Honeycomb. 317 00:19:49.155 --> 00:19:52.915 And, in the past, when we have sought equity, we 318 00:19:52.915 --> 00:19:56.270 have, always had a relatively low minimum 319 00:19:56.570 --> 00:20:00.410 for the world of equity raise, but it was always, you know, 320 00:20:00.410 --> 00:20:04.030 between 14 $15,000, which is a lot more than, 321 00:20:04.410 --> 00:20:08.090 you know, a casual, fan might be in interested 322 00:20:08.090 --> 00:20:11.625 in investing. So this time when it was, looked like we 323 00:20:11.625 --> 00:20:14.845 wanted to go ahead and and and raise money for this next growth phase, 324 00:20:15.465 --> 00:20:18.905 to open the brewery in Rockville and to launch Mosaic 325 00:20:18.905 --> 00:20:22.424 Pizza and to do some other, amazing, things that we have 326 00:20:22.424 --> 00:20:26.179 planned, We wanted to find a way that some of our long standing fans 327 00:20:26.179 --> 00:20:30.020 could be involved. When we opened, you know, about five and a 328 00:20:30.020 --> 00:20:33.780 half years ago, we had, prior to that, had our founders 329 00:20:33.780 --> 00:20:37.575 club. And the experience of launching that and 330 00:20:37.575 --> 00:20:41.414 seeing the response from the community, of beer lovers and 331 00:20:41.414 --> 00:20:45.015 casual beer lovers who were just a part of the community and excited to have 332 00:20:45.015 --> 00:20:48.235 a brewery in the community, was just so overwhelmingly 333 00:20:48.455 --> 00:20:52.270 positive. We kinda wanted to go back and recapture that amazing 334 00:20:52.270 --> 00:20:55.710 feel of having the people who are gonna end up drinking our beer or already 335 00:20:55.710 --> 00:20:59.309 do drink our beer be involved in the campaign of actually raising the 336 00:20:59.309 --> 00:21:03.035 equity we need to make this a reality. Excellent. Thanks so 337 00:21:03.035 --> 00:21:06.815 much. Folks, please do Czech out Silver Branch on the site Honeycomb. 338 00:21:06.955 --> 00:21:10.735 We'll drop the link in the show notes. It's also already up on dcbeer.com. 339 00:21:12.715 --> 00:21:16.335 Brett, Christian, Chris, thank you all so much for being with us. 340 00:21:16.940 --> 00:21:20.460 Please visit Silver Branch at Snallygaster and even before their 341 00:21:20.460 --> 00:21:24.220 Oktoberfest is coming up this very weekend. That's 342 00:21:24.220 --> 00:21:27.980 both in Silver Spring and in Warrenton if you're further 343 00:21:27.980 --> 00:21:31.395 afield. Alright. Thanks, everybody. Appreciate it. See you at Snally, 344 00:21:31.395 --> 00:21:35.015 guys. Thank you. Thank you very much to the Silver Branch team, 345 00:21:35.155 --> 00:21:38.675 to Brett, to Christian, to Chris. Big things 346 00:21:38.675 --> 00:21:42.515 happening there. It's always nice when we see a brewery growing 347 00:21:42.515 --> 00:21:46.360 and expanding, meeting the demand. Of course, that brown ale is 348 00:21:46.360 --> 00:21:49.580 gonna be at Snallygaster, and so we thought it's Oktoberfest. 349 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:53.660 Snallygaster's coming up. What better way to combine those 2 350 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:57.400 than to talk to a second guest? And so we've got 351 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:01.065 Sebastian Sauer of Freigeist, who you last 352 00:22:01.065 --> 00:22:04.585 saw here in DC doing unlimited and full Kölsch 353 00:22:04.585 --> 00:22:08.265 service at The Roost at Shelter. Sebastian, can you 354 00:22:08.265 --> 00:22:11.805 introduce yourself? Tell us a little bit about Freigeist? 355 00:22:12.330 --> 00:22:15.950 Yes. For sure. Thanks so much for having me on the podcast, Jake. 356 00:22:16.169 --> 00:22:19.309 Yeah. My name is Sebastian Sauer. I started Freigeist 357 00:22:19.450 --> 00:22:23.049 Bierkultur back in 2009. It's one of the 358 00:22:23.049 --> 00:22:26.669 very first craft beer projects from Germany. I was 359 00:22:26.975 --> 00:22:30.815 going around visiting other countries before, got very fascinated with 360 00:22:30.815 --> 00:22:34.355 the whole craft beer movement. And that's when I started 361 00:22:34.815 --> 00:22:38.575 my own project. A lot of them specifically in 362 00:22:38.575 --> 00:22:42.350 the beginning was reviving historical beer styles from German, 363 00:22:42.970 --> 00:22:46.730 origin. One of the things that you're doing is you're going to be 364 00:22:46.730 --> 00:22:49.790 coming to Snallygaster in October 365 00:22:50.570 --> 00:22:54.270 here in DC. What are you planning on pouring 366 00:22:54.490 --> 00:22:57.995 at Snallygaster in terms of your beer? Yes. That's 367 00:22:58.615 --> 00:23:02.295 a exciting situation. I was invited last year already, but I 368 00:23:02.295 --> 00:23:05.675 couldn't come in person, so there was a volunteer serving my beers. 369 00:23:06.375 --> 00:23:10.215 But for this year, I will, serve my Otterkolong, which is my 370 00:23:10.215 --> 00:23:13.200 classic go to Kölsch. It's an unsheltered, 371 00:23:13.980 --> 00:23:17.740 Kölsch variety. And then I will have my very first beer I've 372 00:23:17.740 --> 00:23:21.280 ever brewed, the Abraxas, which is a, historical 373 00:23:21.580 --> 00:23:25.360 Liechtenhiner, which is a sour smoky beer style, which died out 374 00:23:25.500 --> 00:23:28.825 just after the First World War. It's excellent that we'll see a Lichtenhanger 375 00:23:29.045 --> 00:23:32.805 there because Greg Engert, was just 376 00:23:32.805 --> 00:23:35.945 talking about some of the more unusual beer styles, 377 00:23:36.485 --> 00:23:39.225 but you're also sort of helping Snallygaster 378 00:23:40.260 --> 00:23:44.100 and Greg and Tim and Bruno acquire German beers 379 00:23:44.100 --> 00:23:47.940 for the festival. Yes? Yes. Indeed. There's a lot 380 00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:51.640 of wonderful, breweries in the Franconian area, 381 00:23:51.860 --> 00:23:55.320 which is the northern part of the state of Bavaria. 382 00:23:56.335 --> 00:24:00.095 Always need to make sure that you don't call them Bavarian because that's really what 383 00:24:00.095 --> 00:24:03.455 they don't want to be called. And, there's, like, the biggest 384 00:24:03.455 --> 00:24:07.134 density of, breweries per in this 385 00:24:07.134 --> 00:24:10.570 area. A lot of countryside, breweries 386 00:24:11.190 --> 00:24:14.790 with, like, a wonderful lager selection, obviously, also 387 00:24:14.790 --> 00:24:17.930 including Bamberg smoked beer, the Rauch beer. 388 00:24:18.390 --> 00:24:21.850 And, yeah, there's, like, a lot of very small 389 00:24:22.155 --> 00:24:25.595 historical breweries which, have wonderful beers and which you can 390 00:24:25.595 --> 00:24:29.355 usually don't have access to. But for these guys, I 391 00:24:29.355 --> 00:24:33.195 was, able to, organize something. So what are 392 00:24:33.195 --> 00:24:36.560 the logistics like in terms of getting these 393 00:24:36.560 --> 00:24:40.320 beers from Franconia to DC? In 394 00:24:40.320 --> 00:24:44.160 this situation, we have to make sure that we use 395 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:47.840 one way kegs because typically they only 396 00:24:47.840 --> 00:24:51.555 use steel kegs for packaging their beers, and they're 397 00:24:51.555 --> 00:24:55.015 not very up for, doing too much 398 00:24:55.235 --> 00:24:58.675 paperwork and so on because there's this, like, small family 399 00:24:58.675 --> 00:25:01.975 run places. So there's only a 400 00:25:02.120 --> 00:25:05.500 few breweries which would be up for using even the plastic 401 00:25:05.560 --> 00:25:09.240 kegs because that's kind of like an unusual way for them packaging. They 402 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:12.840 don't really have too much experience with it. And so we were able 403 00:25:12.840 --> 00:25:16.575 to arrange that. And, yeah. So, 404 00:25:16.575 --> 00:25:20.335 Sebastian, you mentioned one way kegs. Are there 405 00:25:20.335 --> 00:25:24.015 other formats that some of the Franconian breweries are 406 00:25:24.015 --> 00:25:26.435 bringing? Think back to previous Snallagasters 407 00:25:27.375 --> 00:25:31.170 when there were a couple gravity kegs, and it was sort of the norm that 408 00:25:31.170 --> 00:25:34.550 there were at least be a few of those at Snallygaster. 409 00:25:35.170 --> 00:25:38.850 Are any of the breweries gonna be able to package 410 00:25:38.850 --> 00:25:42.475 and transport beer that way to the festival? Yes. 411 00:25:42.475 --> 00:25:46.015 We will have, 3 breweries with gravity kegs as well. 412 00:25:46.235 --> 00:25:49.835 Those are the ones which are not coming back. They will be afterwards used 413 00:25:49.835 --> 00:25:53.674 by, Bluejacket Brewing, and, so they can 414 00:25:53.674 --> 00:25:57.260 package their own beer with it. So, but the other kegs, they're 415 00:25:57.260 --> 00:26:00.780 typically they always have to come back to the brewery and in a 416 00:26:00.780 --> 00:26:04.460 rather short time. And, obviously, we 417 00:26:04.460 --> 00:26:08.299 can't really do that Properly. It's also way too expensive to send 418 00:26:08.299 --> 00:26:12.105 kegs back and forth. This is why we use the, a patina, 419 00:26:12.105 --> 00:26:15.865 the one way kegs for, most of the beer. Then 420 00:26:15.865 --> 00:26:19.705 we have a few, gravity kegs, which will be like real 421 00:26:19.705 --> 00:26:23.520 normal small kegs, 50 liter kegs. And to our listening audience, I would say, 422 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.780 get those while they last, especially earlier in the day, 423 00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:31.600 when they're at temperature and such. We don't know the weather 424 00:26:31.600 --> 00:26:35.200 yet. If it stays cloudy in 60, the beer will be great all 425 00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:38.914 day, but it could be sunny in 85. In which case, if 426 00:26:38.914 --> 00:26:42.595 you're a VIP, you probably want some of those within the first couple 427 00:26:42.595 --> 00:26:46.034 hours or so. Are you concerned at all about the gravity 428 00:26:46.034 --> 00:26:49.730 kegs in transit? Not too much because, I mean, 429 00:26:49.730 --> 00:26:53.490 there's, like, the the the range of breweries. There's some 430 00:26:53.490 --> 00:26:57.250 wonderful breweries which I would always visit myself when I 431 00:26:57.250 --> 00:27:00.790 go there, but they are not very stable, from the 432 00:27:01.304 --> 00:27:04.904 shipping conditions. So we pick the ones which I have the most 433 00:27:04.904 --> 00:27:08.504 trust in any way, which are still, you know, no, no, 434 00:27:08.985 --> 00:27:12.745 issue with the quality of the beers. They are still wonderful breweries 435 00:27:12.745 --> 00:27:16.510 as well, but, I hope that they survive pretty well with the 436 00:27:16.510 --> 00:27:20.190 transport. And, that's why it's shipped with cooling, you 437 00:27:20.190 --> 00:27:24.030 know, so that, they they should be still quite quite 438 00:27:24.030 --> 00:27:27.730 good because we also serve them within their timing 439 00:27:28.285 --> 00:27:32.045 in in Europe as well. And, in Europe, the whole 440 00:27:32.045 --> 00:27:35.805 refrigerating, refrigerating trade is not as big as in, 441 00:27:36.205 --> 00:27:39.965 America. So a lot of places don't have necessarily the 442 00:27:39.965 --> 00:27:43.679 cooling equipment like in in the US. So, Sebastian, 443 00:27:43.679 --> 00:27:47.520 do you have plans to brew in DC when you're 444 00:27:47.520 --> 00:27:51.200 here for Snellagaster this year? Not in DC. I will 445 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:54.960 brew with Human Robot in Philly. That's the plan. And then I 446 00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:58.480 will brew also with some places a little bit more south of the East 447 00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:02.075 Coast. Bold Monk is one of them in Atlanta, 448 00:28:02.615 --> 00:28:06.375 and, so that should be good. I think that we'll see Human 449 00:28:06.375 --> 00:28:09.975 Robot and a couple of the Atlanta breweries, Good 450 00:28:09.975 --> 00:28:13.435 Word and Halfway Crooks at Stalingaster as well. 451 00:28:13.815 --> 00:28:17.570 So the weather is going to turn cooler here soon, 452 00:28:18.030 --> 00:28:21.330 and we certainly see cans of the Freitas Dortmunder 453 00:28:22.190 --> 00:28:25.950 export and the Kölsch. Mhmm. Do you have 454 00:28:25.950 --> 00:28:29.424 plans to bring in the, 455 00:28:29.804 --> 00:28:33.485 Eisbach? I believe it's, Guten Nacht Marie back 456 00:28:33.485 --> 00:28:37.085 to the States. There is still some left 457 00:28:37.085 --> 00:28:40.845 because it's such a specialized type of beer, which you make. 458 00:28:41.165 --> 00:28:44.820 It's always interesting because of the US. Typically, 459 00:28:44.820 --> 00:28:48.500 it's not legal to make it for most breweries, except they 460 00:28:48.500 --> 00:28:52.340 have a distilling, license. For us, it's very, 461 00:28:52.340 --> 00:28:56.020 yeah, normal to if if you have the equipment, but nearly nobody has 462 00:28:56.020 --> 00:28:59.495 it. But there's some of that beer still in the 463 00:28:59.495 --> 00:29:03.095 US, so we wouldn't brew it again, 464 00:29:03.095 --> 00:29:06.695 but, yeah, you could still find it somewhere. We'll be chcking 465 00:29:06.695 --> 00:29:09.755 out Glover Park's hop casket and barrel for that. 466 00:29:10.535 --> 00:29:14.170 Commonwealth, which brews in Virginia Beach, does have 467 00:29:14.170 --> 00:29:17.690 a distillers license, and so that allows 468 00:29:17.690 --> 00:29:21.130 them to freeze beer, removing the 469 00:29:21.130 --> 00:29:24.650 water, keeping the alcohol, and making an ice pack. And 470 00:29:24.650 --> 00:29:28.294 so they do one, but it is pretty unusual 471 00:29:28.434 --> 00:29:32.195 to find here in the States, not just because you need the distiller's 472 00:29:32.195 --> 00:29:35.815 permit. Yes. That's just like it's also very, expensive 473 00:29:35.955 --> 00:29:39.690 to produce generally, obvious for obvious reasons. And, 474 00:29:40.010 --> 00:29:43.790 the interest in Europe is not the biggest. 475 00:29:44.090 --> 00:29:47.470 Typically, you have, the oni styles which are 476 00:29:47.929 --> 00:29:50.809 used for the the ice blocking is, 477 00:29:51.530 --> 00:29:55.325 weizenbock and the doppelbock. And there's not much variety 478 00:29:55.465 --> 00:29:59.145 around it, but we actually, you know, use a lot of different 479 00:29:59.145 --> 00:30:02.505 styles as a base for it. We have made a different, amount 480 00:30:02.505 --> 00:30:06.185 of, smoked, beers as a for the icebox, 481 00:30:06.185 --> 00:30:09.890 which are turning out wonderful. And, everything from, 482 00:30:09.890 --> 00:30:13.510 like, a mango grocer to barley wine to imperial stuff. 483 00:30:13.730 --> 00:30:17.430 So it's, for us it's very fascinating, but obviously, 484 00:30:17.810 --> 00:30:21.030 the trend is going to more easy, crushable, 485 00:30:21.250 --> 00:30:24.695 sessionable beers rather than these, strong boozy 486 00:30:24.695 --> 00:30:28.455 beers, which were a bit more popular a few years ago. It's 487 00:30:28.455 --> 00:30:32.134 interesting that you mentioned a mango gossa. To me, 488 00:30:32.134 --> 00:30:35.654 as someone tangentially involved in beer in the United 489 00:30:35.654 --> 00:30:39.169 States, when I look at Bavaria, I think of these Franconian 490 00:30:39.389 --> 00:30:42.450 lagers. I think of Bamberg and their smoked beers. 491 00:30:43.309 --> 00:30:47.149 Are you seeing a bit more of the US influence there? Are 492 00:30:47.149 --> 00:30:50.850 some of these breweries making an IPA, a cold IPA, 493 00:30:51.385 --> 00:30:54.924 a hoppy lager, Gosa with, nontraditional 494 00:30:55.225 --> 00:30:58.664 ingredients, say, without, Woodruff or raspberry syrup in a 495 00:30:58.664 --> 00:31:02.285 Berliner Weiss, things of that nature. It used to be 496 00:31:02.424 --> 00:31:06.240 a little bit more popular in the meantime, but I would 497 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:10.000 say that the whole craft movement goes down a lot. I 498 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.460 would say nearly everywhere, at least speaking for Europe, 499 00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:17.280 but in Germany specifically. So craft beer never 500 00:31:17.280 --> 00:31:20.665 really got to the point that it became a bit more 501 00:31:20.665 --> 00:31:23.945 mainstream or so on. There was some interest in it, but, 502 00:31:24.985 --> 00:31:28.665 it definitely is is the niche of the niche. So we 503 00:31:28.665 --> 00:31:32.000 talked a little bit about the market for beers 504 00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:35.980 in Germany. How are the 505 00:31:35.980 --> 00:31:39.660 Kölsch and the Dortmander selling in the US? I mean, you've 506 00:31:39.660 --> 00:31:43.420 now been coming to the US probably for about off and on 10 years 507 00:31:43.420 --> 00:31:47.254 now. Have you seen that market change? I mean, it's 508 00:31:47.254 --> 00:31:51.075 a different different production 509 00:31:51.375 --> 00:31:55.054 in this way. I mean, we always used to, brew the 510 00:31:55.054 --> 00:31:58.495 beers in Germany and send them to the US. And 511 00:31:58.495 --> 00:32:01.955 since about 6 or 7 years, I changed, 512 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:06.400 that I started to produce the beers directly in the US so that 513 00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:10.100 they would be, fresh and, in the more favorable 514 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:13.860 container and, also better pricing at the same time, 515 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.940 for the consumer. And, so it has changed quite a lot. 516 00:32:18.295 --> 00:32:21.515 I think the peak of imports was 517 00:32:21.655 --> 00:32:25.415 about depending on the brewery, obviously, but I would say 518 00:32:25.415 --> 00:32:28.315 for most of the imported breweries, it was about 2014, 519 00:32:30.135 --> 00:32:33.799 2015. And afterwards, the whole import, game 520 00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:37.640 went down for all the breweries from outside of the US. This is 521 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:41.100 why we also changed to to have a production in the US. 522 00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:45.080 And, then the the the the kirsch was always very 523 00:32:45.080 --> 00:32:48.895 popular as an imported beer, and then afterwards also as 524 00:32:48.895 --> 00:32:52.355 the domestic produced, beer. But the 525 00:32:52.575 --> 00:32:55.955 general the the Korsch was still, okay, but the lager 526 00:32:56.415 --> 00:33:00.095 subject got way more interested, or the the the 527 00:33:00.095 --> 00:33:03.750 American consumer got way more interested in lager beers. And 528 00:33:03.750 --> 00:33:07.510 we'll note that all of those styles and more will be on display at 529 00:33:07.510 --> 00:33:10.970 Snellagaster. We will see you there, and we will cheers 530 00:33:11.110 --> 00:33:14.650 with Gravity Lager. Thank you so much again, Sebastian, 531 00:33:14.710 --> 00:33:18.495 for coming on the show and for your work in bringing 532 00:33:18.495 --> 00:33:22.255 beer over. Much appreciated. Thanks so much for your 533 00:33:22.255 --> 00:33:25.695 time and, for your interest. Hope to see you, 534 00:33:25.695 --> 00:33:29.155 obviously, very soon at Snallygaster, but, obviously, 535 00:33:29.455 --> 00:33:33.210 hopefully, also seeing and sharing with, all the listeners 536 00:33:33.270 --> 00:33:36.890 as well. Thanks so much. Thank you so much, Sebastian. 537 00:33:37.590 --> 00:33:41.350 Tickets still available. By the way, if 538 00:33:41.350 --> 00:33:44.784 you like DC beer and you enjoy this sort of stuff, dcbeer.com/patreon. 539 00:33:46.924 --> 00:33:50.445 We depend on the support of listeners and viewers like 540 00:33:50.445 --> 00:33:53.965 you. Alright, everyone. Go forth. Enjoy the 541 00:33:53.965 --> 00:33:57.550 Oktoberfest season. Drink something pumpkin if you want 542 00:33:57.550 --> 00:34:00.990 to. You're allowed now. You're at DC beer. Be 543 00:34:00.990 --> 00:34:04.830 well. See you guys at Snally and at all the 544 00:34:04.830 --> 00:34:06.450 Oktoberfests. Cheers.