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Hey, Peter, what's up?

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Today we're talking about Stevie Wonders immortal

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Songs in the Key of Life album.

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We're talking specifically about the four

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singles that were released.

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Two of them got to be number one hits on the billboard

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Hot 100. Can you name all four singles?

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I think so. I mean, definitely.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I Wish. Great

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call. Three to go. Oh,

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Three to go, Sir Duke.

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Well done, Pete. Two to go.

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Okay. Two more. Now it's getting a little, oh,

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There. Yeah.

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Another Star. Great song. You got one more single.

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What do you think was one

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of the singles, one of the hits that got released? One

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Of the hits. So that's gotta be,

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You would think.

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Isn't she lovely? A million father-daughter dances.

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Not a single, not a hit. Really? Yeah. What else

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You got? Oh, maybe

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Summer Soft. Perhaps the

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best song on the album.

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Very popular with musicians. Not a single, not a hit. Okay.

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Hit. Gotta get back on hits. Okay. So it's gotta be,

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If it's magic, unbelievable.

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Not a single, not a

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Hit. Well, it's a hit for me.

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Well,

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Let me hit you to some real magic here.

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How about this?

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Ah, that one's good too. Yeah.

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I am Adam Maness. And I'm Peter Martin.

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And you're listening to the You'll Hear It podcast. Music

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Explored. Explored, brought to

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you today by Open Studio.

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Go to openstudiojazz.com for all

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your jazz lesson needs. Peter.

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He's back. He's, no, you never left. Peter.

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It's another big day. I know you're shocked to hear that.

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It's, you know what? We're just gonna assume

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that it's always a, a big day. We're

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living a big life. We're

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living a big life.

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It is seem like it's getting bigger and bigger

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and with our guests today.

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For sure. It's, it's going to, we're we're gonna top the,

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we're gonna top the charts today. I can tell you

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That we're gonna try to, because we are listening to,

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I mean, one of, I, I'm not even gonna say one of, yeah.

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It's our all time favorite album.

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Stevie Wonder's Songs in the Key of Life. Yes. I dunno.

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It's my all time favorite album.

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You just set the bar high, Sir.

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I don't want to speak for you.

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I love This album. Um, not only that,

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but we've got a very special guest

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from the Hit Parade podcast.

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The great Chris Molanphy is here.

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Chris, thank you for joining us.

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Thank you. We, we are so excited to talk

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to you today about Stevie Wonder

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and about your expertise with this, which is about

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how these things have charted when they've been released,

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and how they've done even since.

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And, uh, yeah.

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I'm stoked to listen to this music

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and talk to you guys about it.

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Yeah, me too. Yeah. Thanks for being here, Chris.

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Yeah. Well, and when you guys gave me the selection

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of albums and I saw songs in The Key

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of Life was on the list, first of all, it's a great album.

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And second of all, it's like a great chart album

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because it, there are so many superlatives around it,

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the way it charted and what a big hit it was.

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So yeah, we can get into all that.

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because, you know, we talk about the singles, we talk about,

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you know, the charts and stuff,

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but I think we kind of gloss over it a little bit, um, in,

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in Pursuit sometimes of like,

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which is the track that Herbie played on.

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That's my number one.

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And we, we throw around like, personal charts

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and musicians charts and maybe even jazz pianist charts.

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Turns out that's not the same

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as the general populations charts.

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So I'm really excited to learn more about that

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and really even just like what that means, you know,

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chart topping billboard we throw around.

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Yeah. Uh, these terms.

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And in fact, I've been in the Recording Academy

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for many years now, and I get a huge,

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still get a huge Billboard magazine, uh,

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every month or so to my house.

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And I'm like, what is this exactly?

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And it just sits there awaiting my perusal.

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'cause there's some interesting stuff going on. Indeed.

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of thing, you know, cer certain people are wired

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for this prereq, and I am one of those people. Well,

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Prerequisite, uh, is is done right here.

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I can tell you.

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let's get a little background here.

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So, this double album released in 1976 was in

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that string of what people often refer to

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as Stevie's Classic period.

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Mm-hmm. From music of my mind, uh,

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through Songs in the Key of Life.

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Um, you want to be a little annoyed with something?

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Stevie started working on this album

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when he was 24 years old.

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Mm-hmm. And recorded it when he was god dammit.

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I know, right. When he was 25.

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What a genius for crying

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Out Loud. What a genius. He'd

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12 albums before this. I know too.

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Right. And it's the last in that string

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of five great albums, right? Yeah. I mean,

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He was in his early twenties making all of this music. Yeah.

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his mid twenties is like mid thirties for most other,

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and reps, number of albums, number of compositions, tours,

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performances, all that kind of stuff.

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I thought you were gonna bring up the fact

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that many folks were very annoyed

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'cause this album was delayed.

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that said it's coming soon. You know, or

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Almost finished. That's right. Yeah.

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It was, it was before it was even coming. It was,

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And by the way, way two years, that's all it was.

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Nowadays. Two years is normal. Nothing. I know. Yeah.

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Complete. You know, Taylor Swift now releases an album a

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year, but like during the tens,

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every two years, like Clockwork.

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And nobody thought that was ridiculous Right. Back then.

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To wait two years was kind of like,

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oh my God, what's taking so long?

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He, he rattled off Music of my Mind.

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72 Talking Book also 72 Intervision 73,

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and Fulfillingness' First Finale, 74.

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And then everybody was like, where's our 75?

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Where's our masterpiece this year? Yeah.

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for Still Crazy after all these years?

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For 1975?

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and I'd like to thank Stevie Wonder

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It wasn't like the first or main thing he

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said when he stood up too. Yeah. Before he even thank

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Everybody. It was like the, it

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was like the, the little button on his,

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he, he thanked, uh, his producer.

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And, and I'd like to thank Stevie Wonder

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for not releasing that one this year.

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Because for those who'd forget Stevie Wonder,

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to this day a record, he still holds.

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Taylor Swift hasn't beaten this. Nobody's beaten this.

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He had three album of the Year Wins in a Row. Crazy.

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Taylor has had more, but Stevie had three in a row.

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Nobody's ever pulled that off.

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Innervisions Fulfillingness' First Finale.

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Songs in the Key of Life back to Back to Back.

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songs a little bit better

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and done just two regular albums instead

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of one double album, he could have gone four.

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Paul wouldn't have won for Still Crazy, right? Yeah.

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Paul would be in the gutter somewhere depressed.

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You know, his whole trajectory would've changed,

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you know? Well, can we just dig

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In a little, Paul, Paul was fine.

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'cause he won for, he'd won for Bridge Over Trouble Water

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with Garfunkel, and he was gonna win

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with Graceland a decade later, so he was fine.

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we just, uh, dig in a little bit into this idea

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that you were just mentioning Chris about like two years was

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an eternity back then.

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Like, why is that, why have things changed?

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Because, like, I was thinking,

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you're talking about Taylor Swift, Beyonce, um, Kanye,

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all these like mega artists now years go in between,

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you know, we just lost DeAngelo last week.

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I mean, he was an outlier in terms of, uh, decades going

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even going back to like a lot of the jazz records Yeah.

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Make coltrane's making like three, four

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or five albums a year sometimes. Yeah. But

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and they're coming out in December.

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Right. You know what I mean? It's like Right.

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Even though the technology is so much better

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and so much easier should be today.

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I think in 1965, the Beatles, uh,

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were banging out rubber Soul

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in time for the Christmas market.

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And like they knocked it out in like two weeks

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and it was in stores like a week or two later.

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That's what it was like, because I think speaking

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of the Beatles, I often do a before

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and after with the Beatles.

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Yeah. With Sergeant Pepper.

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It isn't that Sergeant Pepper was the first concept album.

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before Sergeant Pepper that were concept albums.

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It's that Sergeant Pepper changed the record industry's

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understanding of the commerce behind albums.

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and not put, take any singles off

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of it for the American market.

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Right. Um, and the album has statement kind

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of gains currency, and then it becomes the core unit

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of measure of the record industry.

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The folks may not remember this,

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but you know, in the fifties

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and early sixties, the single easily outsold the album.

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of measure of the music business.

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It's only when starting around rubber sole

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and then gaining traction with Revolver

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re it reorganizes itself around the album.

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you might have a band like the Beach Boys

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and The Miracles putting out two or even three

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or four albums a year

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because the album is not necessarily a statement back then.

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And then it becomes Pet Sounds

258
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with The Beach Boys is a statement.

259
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Like, and, and the commerce kind of builds around that.

260
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Right. Um, and so by the seventies, an album a year,

261
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maybe two albums a year, if you're Elton John

262
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and his, his prolific period, or Carol King

263
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and her Prolific period, yeah.

264
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That would, you know, you would still have

265
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that album a year cycle.

266
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But for Stevie to take two years coming off

267
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of all those hits to put together an album,

268
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the music business was not set up that way.

269
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Mm-hmm. And I think Stevie, you can even say help change

270
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the perception of how long a cycle a promotional

271
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cycle for an album would be.

272
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I know you guys talked about Fleetwood Max rumors. Yeah.

273
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It took them two years to follow that up with Tusk.

274
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It took the Eagles two years, almost three

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to follow up Hotel California with the long run.

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So suddenly all these artists are taking

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routinely two and three years.

278
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And it, it's kind of like, you can point it as

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before Songs in the Key of Life

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after Songs in the Key of Life.

281
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Right. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

282
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I, I always, um, it's funny you mention The Beatles

283
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with the, that Sergeant Peppers,

284
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because I, you know, especially starting at Talking Book,

285
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I don't know if this is true,

286
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but to me, I hear Stevie saying, uh, listening to Abbey Road

287
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and saying, I can do that, but better, you know, like,

288
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I can make a better version of that.

289
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And he starts making these albums

290
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that are a little bit more, like less single driven,

291
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a little bit more in that vein using synths

292
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and things like that and, and really takes

293
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what The Beatles did and, and improves on it Yeah.

294
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Through this period, you know, in my opinion. Yeah.

295
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And, and less kind of Motown soul.

296
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I mean, not that he was always really that restricted to

297
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that sort of sounding grooves,

298
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but even less so, more rock stuff, more bluesy, more jet,

299
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like, more cross genre kind of just like, what is that?

300
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Oh, that's a Stevie record.

301
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And then it builds up year after year.

302
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Yeah. You know? Yeah. Music of my mind you.

303
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Exactly. Well, I think, right. I think about Music

304
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of My Mind with Jeff Beck, you know,

305
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playing on that, for example.

306
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For sure. And Think, think about him covering The Beatles.

307
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Uh, we can Work it out.

308
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And I think that was 71 just

309
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before the, the, the run that he did with all the albums.

310
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And frankly, it's, it's probably the one time a cover

311
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of a Beatles song actually improved upon the Beatles song.

312
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That's true. Um, so, so, yeah.

313
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So Stevie is thinking differently at this time. Yeah.

314
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And he's thinking more album and,

315
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and also in terms of the commerce, he had resigned.

316
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He'd, he'd gotten through his little Stevie Wonder period.

317
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Right. His first Motown contract expires.

318
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He demands and gets artistic freedom. Yeah.

319
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And that's part of what you're hearing

320
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during the five album run is Stevie's artistic Freedom.

321
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Frankly, you're hearing it even after the five album run.

322
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'cause after this he does Journey Through The Secret Life

323
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of Plants, which is about as free in album.

324
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Oh. May not be a great Stevie Wonder album,

325
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but it's about as really

326
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As talk about was a chart topper.

327
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That's a chart topper with jazz musicians for sure.

328
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Yeah. Jazz is, Yeah. I, I believe that. Yeah.

329
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Yeah. Super interesting. Well, I mean, speaking of,

330
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of like, uh, playing the music that he wants to, to play,

331
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he starts off his, you know,

332
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this two year wait for this album.

333
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And the first track you get is this.

334
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Good Morning Evening Friends,

335
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here's your friendly announcer.

336
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I have serious news to pass

337
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On to Everybody

338
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what I'm about to

339
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Say.

340
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Couldn't mean the world's disaster

341
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Could Change your joy,

342
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Laughter.

343
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And

344
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I,

345
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I still think that this, in this run,

346
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this is the best sounding of the albums in the run.

347
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Mm. For me, like the sound that's,

348
00:14:12,845 --> 00:14:13,845
That's probably accurate.

349
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I mean, I just think the recording technology, I mean,

350
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you guys were talking about this when you talked about Asia

351
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and, uh, rumors, how by 76, 77,

352
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it's kinda like everybody had figured out the re the

353
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recording technology and the,

354
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those are just clean sounding albums, right.

355
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Clean sounding albums. The low end is incredibly

356
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rich and detailed.

357
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Like, when that bass comes in for the first time,

358
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it just drops your heart into the pit of your stomach.

359
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At least for me, because it just feels

360
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so big all of a sudden.

361
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Um, which we don't get on music of my mind

362
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or Talking Book as much, you know,

363
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it's not as full of a sound.

364
00:14:47,325 --> 00:14:49,205
It's not as rich of a sound. Yeah.

365
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And I mean, this is, this is definitely a little bit more

366
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smoothed out, uh, sound in terms of like,

367
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the way it's eq the way it's mastered, I think.

368
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Mm-hmm. For sure.

369
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The recording technology, I mean, we forget about, we think,

370
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oh, the seventies, it was one thing,

371
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but things were moving pretty quickly then even

372
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before you got into the eighties with, you know, you know,

373
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serious drum machines

374
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and all these kind of things that affected the music.

375
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But I, I also think he's out in the West Coast.

376
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I mean, all, all the music in my mind,

377
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Talking Book, Fulfillingness', I believe those were all recorded

378
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with the same production crew, same studios in New York.

379
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Um, this is an la kind of sound. Yeah.

380
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You know, some of it was recorded at the,

381
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uh, actually at the Rumors.

382
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Good point Studio, right? Mm-hmm. Record Plant.

383
00:15:26,865 --> 00:15:31,285
Um, but it's, you know, it's, you know, Stevie,

384
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his voice, I think is the thing

385
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that's most consistent from the period right before.

386
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Well, it's the same period. I always consider this

387
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as like a mini different period from the

388
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Earlier ones. Partly comes almost,

389
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almost how

390
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there's, there's some kind of, I

391
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Don't think you're wrong. Yeah.

392
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I I I, I do think it,

393
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it stands apart even though it's part of the five album run.

394
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Sonically it stands apart from Son Other Four for sure.

395
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Which is such A huge part of it.

396
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Think about one, just one album previous.

397
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Think about Fulfillingness' First Finale.

398
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Think about a song like Creeping, for example, which I love.

399
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, but like, there's a wooliness

400
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to the sound of that record.

401
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Yeah. It's, it's a, a fuzzy funk sound Yes.

402
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On that album that I love, by the way. Great.

403
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But it very different than the vibe

404
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on songs and the Key of Life.

405
00:16:12,675 --> 00:16:14,925
Yeah. And I might be oversimplifying with this new,

406
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you know, east Coast to West Coast, but it's definitely a

407
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Oh God damn

408
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Great song. This

409
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Is more raw too. This

410
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has like a herbie's head hunter's vibe. Yeah,

411
00:16:25,675 --> 00:16:26,805
Totally. Where,

412
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Where songs has more of a, of a rumors Asia vibe.

413
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Exactly. And this, I believe is Stevie on Drum.

414
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Like, so Yeah, there's definitely Stevie on drums.

415
00:16:38,625 --> 00:16:40,165
Woo. It's so good.

416
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All we gotta do fulfilling this at some point,

417
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I know it's, it's happening. It's gonna happen.

418
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Fulfilling. This is the,

419
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the underrated gem in the run, frankly.

420
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I I Totally agree. My theory is

421
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it's just so hard to say

422
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That people Don't recommend it enough.

423
00:16:54,225 --> 00:16:56,245
Um, yeah. I love the, I love that this is sort of like,

424
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sonically is kind of lives in its own world.

425
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Some, like, some generations have little crossover,

426
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you know, I don't know, like, uh, 77 to like 82

427
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als have a, I don't know if you guys know.

428
00:17:08,005 --> 00:17:10,725
Anyway, uh, moving on.

429
00:17:10,865 --> 00:17:12,085
But the thing too is I, what are those?

430
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I, I think this idea, so I don't,

431
00:17:15,965 --> 00:17:18,525
is there any ste I don't think there's any Stevie drumming

432
00:17:18,525 --> 00:17:20,165
on songs of the Key of Life, actually.

433
00:17:20,665 --> 00:17:21,805
Um, like I think that

434
00:17:21,865 --> 00:17:22,865
Has that's interesting. I've

435
00:17:22,865 --> 00:17:23,765
I never knew that. Yeah.

436
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'cause his drumming is actually one of the appeals

437
00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:28,245
of those first records in the run. Yeah.

438
00:17:28,285 --> 00:17:30,525
I could be totally off and I don't have the, uh,

439
00:17:30,865 --> 00:17:31,765
You keep talking. I'll

440
00:17:31,955 --> 00:17:32,955
Yeah, please keep.

441
00:17:33,025 --> 00:17:35,125
So I could No, but I, I know on that track, it wasn't,

442
00:17:35,185 --> 00:17:39,845
and this is the thing, it's like that contributes to, I,

443
00:17:40,005 --> 00:17:42,365
I don't think it's a better or worse.

444
00:17:42,955 --> 00:17:44,845
It's, it's not about that. It's just different.

445
00:17:45,235 --> 00:17:48,285
Like, the drums are so important, obviously, in any kind

446
00:17:48,285 --> 00:17:49,525
of groove oriented music,

447
00:17:50,065 --> 00:17:53,725
but Stevie's like, concept of playing the drums is

448
00:17:54,025 --> 00:17:56,285
so unique, you know, even though I know, like,

449
00:17:56,465 --> 00:17:57,485
if you look at the live stuff,

450
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especially the live stuff from Europe that's available,

451
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the videos 74, 75 with this man.

452
00:18:02,265 --> 00:18:04,445
Um, and actually Greg Brown is

453
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playing drums on a lot of those videos.

454
00:18:05,835 --> 00:18:08,205
Very young. Greg Brown. And he's influenced

455
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by Stevie's drumming.

456
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'cause you can tell he's checked out Talking Book and,

457
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and fulfilling this and stuff.

458
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And like Stevie's fills and stuff were so unique.

459
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But when we get to this, where we've got

460
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what could be perceived, at least technically in terms of

461
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for drummers, more seasoned drummers, more trained drummers,

462
00:18:24,145 --> 00:18:25,565
it kind of changes this sound a little bit.

463
00:18:25,665 --> 00:18:28,005
It looks like Stevie has a couple of drum credits on this.

464
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He's, uh, according to our research here,

465
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he's the only person playing on knocks me off my

466
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feet. Okay. Oh,

467
00:18:33,925 --> 00:18:35,285
That's Amazing. And he, that's

468
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One of my very favorite

469
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tracks on the album. That's great.

470
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Yeah. He has a drum credit on, uh, isn't she Lovely?

471
00:18:41,545 --> 00:18:45,125
But also Raymond Lee Pounds has a drum credit, so Yeah.

472
00:18:45,245 --> 00:18:46,245
I don't know who's doing what there,

473
00:18:46,985 --> 00:18:48,165
But those, but the earlier records,

474
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it's like he's almost playing everything.

475
00:18:49,845 --> 00:18:51,485
Oh, yeah. Even, even though there's a fair amount

476
00:18:51,485 --> 00:18:53,165
of other credits, there's usually background vocals.

477
00:18:53,165 --> 00:18:54,485
Yeah. Like Sanborn playing. I

478
00:18:54,485 --> 00:18:56,485
Think Super Superstition is all Stevie except

479
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for the horns, if I, if I'm not

480
00:18:58,405 --> 00:18:59,405
Mistaken. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

481
00:18:59,405 --> 00:19:00,085
Viss that we,

482
00:19:00,105 --> 00:19:01,325
we just talked about a few weeks ago.

483
00:19:01,705 --> 00:19:04,325
Uh, he's all over that on drums. I mean, the whole thing.

484
00:19:04,465 --> 00:19:06,565
And playing a lot of mo bass on that stuff here.

485
00:19:06,565 --> 00:19:07,765
We've got, you know, NA uh,

486
00:19:08,415 --> 00:19:09,525
who's playing bass on here? Nathan,

487
00:19:09,525 --> 00:19:11,005
Nathan Watts. Nathan Watt's. A lot of

488
00:19:11,005 --> 00:19:12,005
Stuff. Yeah. So see,

489
00:19:12,005 --> 00:19:12,925
he's really getting into

490
00:19:12,925 --> 00:19:14,125
the, to the band concept.

491
00:19:14,265 --> 00:19:15,885
And I think it, you, you hear that.

492
00:19:15,965 --> 00:19:17,125
I mean, this is a more polished record.

493
00:19:17,125 --> 00:19:18,125
You can already hear it at the beginning.

494
00:19:19,225 --> 00:19:21,125
So we got you here, Chris,

495
00:19:21,265 --> 00:19:23,125
and we thought maybe we'd listen to some hits.

496
00:19:23,225 --> 00:19:25,645
So next up we have have a Talk With God, which is one

497
00:19:25,645 --> 00:19:27,645
of my favorite songs on the album, village Gito.

498
00:19:27,685 --> 00:19:31,285
I mean, this whole, the entire first, like, you know,

499
00:19:32,245 --> 00:19:33,845
I mean the whole, the whole album

500
00:19:34,265 --> 00:19:35,265
Pretty bad. I know. Where do you,

501
00:19:35,265 --> 00:19:36,885
where do you bad cut it off? Yeah.

502
00:19:37,145 --> 00:19:38,685
Um, but I thought we would, we would actually talk about

503
00:19:38,685 --> 00:19:40,445
some of the chart toppers here.

504
00:19:40,545 --> 00:19:42,845
So the first single that was released was

505
00:19:43,385 --> 00:19:44,485
Sir Duke. Is that right?

506
00:19:44,865 --> 00:19:46,485
No, I wish, I wish, wish.

507
00:19:46,505 --> 00:19:48,365
And by the way, a de an interesting detail,

508
00:19:48,945 --> 00:19:51,365
the album drops in September, 1976.

509
00:19:51,555 --> 00:19:53,165
They don't release a single from this

510
00:19:53,165 --> 00:19:54,405
album for another couple of months.

511
00:19:54,665 --> 00:19:57,645
Why? Um, the, the, the person I would compare Stevie Wonder

512
00:19:57,645 --> 00:20:00,325
to in 1970 six's Prince in 1985,

513
00:20:00,465 --> 00:20:02,165
if you remember when he put out his first album

514
00:20:02,175 --> 00:20:04,605
after Purple Rain around the World in a Day.

515
00:20:04,605 --> 00:20:06,725
Yeah. He claimed he didn't wanna release any singles.

516
00:20:06,825 --> 00:20:08,645
And finally the label kind of forced his hand

517
00:20:08,645 --> 00:20:10,285
and he released his Raspberry Beret.

518
00:20:10,725 --> 00:20:12,645
Stevie did something similar in 1976.

519
00:20:12,645 --> 00:20:14,605
He's kinda like, no, here's the full album.

520
00:20:15,225 --> 00:20:17,885
And eventually, I dunno if it was Barry Gordy,

521
00:20:17,885 --> 00:20:20,365
but Motown prevailed upon him to release a single.

522
00:20:20,585 --> 00:20:22,645
And the first single they release is, I Wish,

523
00:20:23,065 --> 00:20:27,045
and it doesn't top the charts until January of 1977.

524
00:20:27,345 --> 00:20:30,565
Wow. Like more than four months after the album is out. Oh

525
00:20:30,565 --> 00:20:31,485
My gosh. Oh, that's, so

526
00:20:31,985 --> 00:20:32,805
Here's the first single

527
00:20:54,625 --> 00:20:55,625
Was For Christmas.

528
00:20:55,625 --> 00:20:56,365
What would be

529
00:20:56,365 --> 00:20:56,965
My dog?

530
00:21:01,195 --> 00:21:02,195
Even Though we

531
00:21:02,315 --> 00:21:06,205
Sometimes Would not get a bang we

532
00:21:08,585 --> 00:21:13,005
Day with The hang

533
00:21:20,105 --> 00:21:24,045
the outside.

534
00:22:04,525 --> 00:22:04,765
I mean,

535
00:22:04,765 --> 00:22:06,245
It just doesn't get any better than that.

536
00:22:06,465 --> 00:22:08,285
The horns, by the way, are on trumpet.

537
00:22:08,345 --> 00:22:12,365
Uh, Ray Maldonado on trumpet, Steve Meo on saxophone,

538
00:22:12,395 --> 00:22:16,005
Hank Red and on tenor saxophone, Trevor Lawrence. And

539
00:22:16,055 --> 00:22:17,805
Who's playing drums on that one? Raymond

540
00:22:17,905 --> 00:22:19,125
Pounds. Raymond

541
00:22:19,125 --> 00:22:20,285
Pounds on drums.

542
00:22:20,285 --> 00:22:21,885
Yeah. Nathan Watts on the bass

543
00:22:21,945 --> 00:22:26,245
and background vocals by, uh, Renie Linda Hardaway.

544
00:22:26,785 --> 00:22:29,365
But man, that sounds good. Yeah. Talk about Clean.

545
00:22:29,625 --> 00:22:30,645
Oh man. The Drum,

546
00:22:30,815 --> 00:22:31,815
Right from the opening.

547
00:22:32,145 --> 00:22:33,925
Yes. I mean, like that, that op that is one

548
00:22:33,925 --> 00:22:37,445
of the best openings to a single I've, you know, that do,

549
00:22:37,545 --> 00:22:40,925
do do do, do you know, when it comes in, there are rap songs

550
00:22:40,925 --> 00:22:42,165
that came out decades later

551
00:22:42,165 --> 00:22:43,845
that I think are an homage to that opening.

552
00:22:44,175 --> 00:22:46,765
Right. That homage or inter interpolation.

553
00:22:46,825 --> 00:22:48,205
That's always the question. I mean,

554
00:22:48,515 --> 00:22:51,045
Have you ever heard the Song On Fire by Lloyd Banks,

555
00:22:51,045 --> 00:22:52,525
which I think came out in like 2004.

556
00:22:52,585 --> 00:22:53,645
I'm convinced the opening of

557
00:22:53,645 --> 00:22:55,405
that record is like an homage to I Wish.

558
00:22:55,695 --> 00:22:57,965
Right. Um, you know, stuff like that.

559
00:22:58,505 --> 00:23:01,525
Um, nevermind the fact that I Wish also got actually sampled

560
00:23:01,525 --> 00:23:03,005
by the likes of Will Smith.

561
00:23:03,005 --> 00:23:05,125
Sure. Will Smith turned it into a number one hit right.

562
00:23:05,265 --> 00:23:08,605
In, uh, 1999, I think. Wild, wild West and

563
00:23:08,605 --> 00:23:09,605
Like Wild Wild West,

564
00:23:09,675 --> 00:23:10,845
Like every Stevie song,

565
00:23:10,945 --> 00:23:12,805
at some point on the album, he's gonna take you to church.

566
00:23:12,955 --> 00:23:15,725
Yeah. Like, there's gonna be a, some church in the music

567
00:23:15,825 --> 00:23:17,005
and this is break.

568
00:23:17,005 --> 00:23:18,165
Perfect example Of that. Yeah.

569
00:23:18,465 --> 00:23:20,845
And I think too, the idea of, well, one thing

570
00:23:20,845 --> 00:23:22,765
with people using, you know, it's, it's just a

571
00:23:24,015 --> 00:23:25,565
minor one to the four.

572
00:23:25,595 --> 00:23:27,205
Like that's straight up church right

573
00:23:27,205 --> 00:23:28,925
there, you know, one to the four. That's

574
00:23:29,345 --> 00:23:30,525
The baseline, you know, that.

575
00:23:31,595 --> 00:23:32,595
Yeah.

576
00:23:33,875 --> 00:23:35,605
It's so simple, but so effective.

577
00:23:35,665 --> 00:23:38,325
And people can take it pretty much copyright free.

578
00:23:38,485 --> 00:23:40,085
'cause it's a baseline. I mean, you can't totally,

579
00:23:40,265 --> 00:23:42,205
but I mean that's, that's why you hear it a lot, Chris.

580
00:23:42,355 --> 00:23:43,845
It's like they're hiding behind.

581
00:23:43,845 --> 00:23:45,725
They're hiding behind the baselines can't be

582
00:23:45,725 --> 00:23:46,885
copywritten concept.

583
00:23:46,915 --> 00:23:48,085
Yeah. Which doesn't always work.

584
00:23:49,025 --> 00:23:50,125
But I mean, that's the thing too.

585
00:23:50,155 --> 00:23:53,405
Like, it's such an unusual, it's, it wasn't that unusual at

586
00:23:53,405 --> 00:23:55,485
that time, but maybe for it to be a number,

587
00:23:55,555 --> 00:23:57,685
this was number one right on the pop chart, number

588
00:23:57,685 --> 00:24:00,245
One, number one on both the pop RB charts popping

589
00:24:00,285 --> 00:24:02,045
RB January of 77. But to have

590
00:24:02,045 --> 00:24:04,485
Something that's like so well crafted

591
00:24:04,485 --> 00:24:07,445
and starts out with a super melodic baseline, you know,

592
00:24:07,665 --> 00:24:08,765
and then the drums coming in.

593
00:24:08,805 --> 00:24:09,925
I mean, I'm listening on here.

594
00:24:10,195 --> 00:24:12,605
Like, I, I think we can never, with with headphones,

595
00:24:13,245 --> 00:24:15,205
I think we can never understate how,

596
00:24:15,465 --> 00:24:17,365
and I'd love to hear your take on this, Chris, in terms

597
00:24:17,365 --> 00:24:20,605
of like, stuff not just being like musicians geeking out

598
00:24:20,665 --> 00:24:21,965
or big fans geeking out,

599
00:24:21,965 --> 00:24:24,525
but like, how does it cross over into everybody being like,

600
00:24:24,525 --> 00:24:25,845
well, I don't usually listen to Stevie,

601
00:24:25,845 --> 00:24:28,005
but I heard it on the radio and this is a hit all

602
00:24:28,005 --> 00:24:29,845
of a sudden is like the sound quality.

603
00:24:30,005 --> 00:24:32,605
I mean, these drums are mixed so well,

604
00:24:32,715 --> 00:24:35,245
like super hard pan on some of this stuff.

605
00:24:35,585 --> 00:24:40,165
The guitar. Ah, I mean,

606
00:24:40,165 --> 00:24:41,245
just, it's such a beauty.

607
00:24:41,425 --> 00:24:43,325
You know, the plane's great. I mean Stevie,

608
00:24:43,925 --> 00:24:47,525
Stevie was the leading edge of crossing over funk,

609
00:24:48,025 --> 00:24:51,365
you know, and r and b in general Yeah.

610
00:24:51,545 --> 00:24:53,325
To all audiences. Right? Yeah.

611
00:24:53,325 --> 00:24:55,405
So like, I mean, some prior number

612
00:24:55,405 --> 00:24:56,445
one hits by Stevie Wonder.

613
00:24:56,465 --> 00:24:58,365
He, he not only takes Superstition number one,

614
00:24:58,365 --> 00:25:00,085
that's no surprise, but like, you know,

615
00:25:00,085 --> 00:25:02,285
the number one single from Fulfillingness' First Finale

616
00:25:02,345 --> 00:25:03,525
is you haven't Done Nothing.

617
00:25:03,675 --> 00:25:05,365
Yeah. Which is pretty funky for a record

618
00:25:05,365 --> 00:25:06,805
that tops the pop charts. Yeah.

619
00:25:06,805 --> 00:25:08,125
Very Funky. So like, or, you know,

620
00:25:08,245 --> 00:25:10,485
I think Boogie on Reggae Woman peaks at number three

621
00:25:10,485 --> 00:25:11,845
or number five, something like that.

622
00:25:12,155 --> 00:25:13,525
Like, he's getting some pretty

623
00:25:14,695 --> 00:25:17,325
funky stuff on pop radio even

624
00:25:17,325 --> 00:25:18,805
before Songs in the Key of Life.

625
00:25:18,805 --> 00:25:21,085
Right. So like, I Wish is just a, a gi

626
00:25:21,385 --> 00:25:22,565
by the time that shows up.

627
00:25:22,565 --> 00:25:24,525
Right. You know? Right. Because he's Stevie Wonder.

628
00:25:24,665 --> 00:25:27,285
He can, he can sonically

629
00:25:28,185 --> 00:25:29,845
do varsity level stuff.

630
00:25:29,875 --> 00:25:31,285
Yeah. Mm-hmm. That, you know,

631
00:25:31,285 --> 00:25:32,925
nobody else can do. So check out these,

632
00:25:33,015 --> 00:25:34,445
These horns real quick for my wish.

633
00:25:40,115 --> 00:25:41,465
Tight, tight.

634
00:25:42,535 --> 00:25:44,225
It's punctuation, right? Yeah.

635
00:25:45,935 --> 00:25:48,345
Even more than on most RB records for sure.

636
00:25:48,345 --> 00:25:50,505
The way the horns function in that record is just like,

637
00:25:51,695 --> 00:25:52,625
Yeah, no, that's, that's

638
00:25:52,625 --> 00:25:54,105
Putting a button on everything. That's a

639
00:25:54,105 --> 00:25:55,105
Great way to put it. Because you have

640
00:25:55,105 --> 00:25:56,105
a lot of, I mean, there's

641
00:25:56,105 --> 00:25:57,705
so many great horn sections that we're about

642
00:25:57,705 --> 00:25:58,945
to get into Earth wind,

643
00:25:58,945 --> 00:26:00,265
and actually it's already earth, wind,

644
00:26:00,265 --> 00:26:02,545
and fire time with those incredible horns.

645
00:26:02,545 --> 00:26:03,945
Sure. Where, where they really take over

646
00:26:03,965 --> 00:26:05,145
for a while melodically.

647
00:26:05,445 --> 00:26:07,585
And on this track especially, they don't take over.

648
00:26:07,605 --> 00:26:08,705
It is, it's punctuation.

649
00:26:08,735 --> 00:26:10,385
It's, it's like the syncopation

650
00:26:10,485 --> 00:26:13,585
and like that part, ah, we, Dave bang,

651
00:26:14,575 --> 00:26:16,945
it's called Response Cat.

652
00:26:17,175 --> 00:26:20,865
Like that little 16th note accent in there is so slick.

653
00:26:20,865 --> 00:26:22,465
And like most people, they don't know

654
00:26:22,465 --> 00:26:23,545
what that is, but they feel it.

655
00:26:23,545 --> 00:26:25,025
Right. It's that, it's that like Right.

656
00:26:25,095 --> 00:26:26,905
Linking in with the drums and,

657
00:26:27,245 --> 00:26:28,705
but like sonically, I mean,

658
00:26:28,705 --> 00:26:30,185
this must've been such a hard track,

659
00:26:30,405 --> 00:26:32,225
the whole hard album to mix.

660
00:26:32,785 --> 00:26:34,345
'cause there's so many little details

661
00:26:34,935 --> 00:26:36,265
that contribute, I think.

662
00:26:36,385 --> 00:26:37,625
I mean, yeah, he's laying down a

663
00:26:37,635 --> 00:26:38,985
funky groove, all that kind of stuff.

664
00:26:38,985 --> 00:26:40,225
But like the Sonic

665
00:26:40,225 --> 00:26:43,965
and then Stevie singing is like, has so much expansive,

666
00:26:44,385 --> 00:26:46,005
you know, it could just take over the whole thing

667
00:26:46,005 --> 00:26:47,685
with the mix and you could bring everything down

668
00:26:47,705 --> 00:26:50,165
to just this little thing and let Stevie be over it.

669
00:26:50,165 --> 00:26:52,685
But the way this is mixed is like, everything has sort

670
00:26:52,685 --> 00:26:55,925
of has its place and it's, it's a very dynamic range on it.

671
00:26:57,485 --> 00:27:01,575
Yeah. No, I I all, even down to the way Stevie kind

672
00:27:01,575 --> 00:27:05,775
of chops up the vocal, like, he, he, he takes words

673
00:27:05,775 --> 00:27:10,535
that are two syllables and why did those days, eh, ver have

674
00:27:10,535 --> 00:27:11,935
to go ah, you know, like he's, yeah.

675
00:27:12,115 --> 00:27:14,535
He, he, it's like the whole song is punctuation.

676
00:27:14,605 --> 00:27:18,135
It's kind of like, you know, horns Stevie Horns Stevie.

677
00:27:18,225 --> 00:27:21,255
Right. Um, that, that only enhances the,

678
00:27:21,715 --> 00:27:23,295
the groove on the record. Yeah.

679
00:27:23,995 --> 00:27:26,535
So, all right, Chris, what is the next single then

680
00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:28,855
that was is SDU next after? I wish

681
00:27:28,995 --> 00:27:29,995
Sir Duke is next. Sir Duke

682
00:27:29,995 --> 00:27:30,775
is the second single.

683
00:27:30,995 --> 00:27:32,895
So talk about going from strength to strength. Yeah.

684
00:27:57,565 --> 00:27:59,775
Same horn section for My Wish.

685
00:28:07,425 --> 00:28:08,695
Great. Pre chorus coming now

686
00:28:13,785 --> 00:28:14,785
Again. Punctuation.

687
00:28:14,785 --> 00:28:16,015
Start to move.

688
00:28:43,785 --> 00:28:46,015
Swing group. The swing group, I was gonna say is this,

689
00:28:46,755 --> 00:28:48,335
is this Stevie's tribute to Swing,

690
00:28:49,135 --> 00:28:50,135
I just said here. Is

691
00:28:50,135 --> 00:28:51,655
this the Jazziest number one?

692
00:28:52,045 --> 00:28:53,415
It's gotta be Of all

693
00:28:53,415 --> 00:28:54,415
Time. It's a song

694
00:28:54,415 --> 00:28:55,215
about Duke Ellington.

695
00:28:55,215 --> 00:28:56,575
It's very j well, well, it's a but it's a

696
00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:57,855
specific type of jazz, right?

697
00:28:57,855 --> 00:28:59,335
Yeah. It's, it's specifically an homage

698
00:28:59,335 --> 00:29:01,015
to Duke Ellington, hence the title.

699
00:29:01,245 --> 00:29:02,855
Yeah. And, you know,

700
00:29:02,955 --> 00:29:04,775
and the King of all, sir Duke, you know.

701
00:29:04,775 --> 00:29:07,455
Yeah. He's, he's rattling off all those kind

702
00:29:07,455 --> 00:29:08,695
of early jazz pioneers.

703
00:29:08,715 --> 00:29:11,615
He literally calls them pioneers in the lyrics. Yeah.

704
00:29:12,025 --> 00:29:13,575
There are some of music's pioneers.

705
00:29:13,575 --> 00:29:15,455
It's like in the verse lyric.

706
00:29:15,455 --> 00:29:17,615
He's like, I'm about to give you a list of things now.

707
00:29:17,915 --> 00:29:19,055
And then he rattles it

708
00:29:19,055 --> 00:29:20,095
Off. It's a list. It's a list song.

709
00:29:20,165 --> 00:29:22,015
It's a listicle, it's a list song. Yeah.

710
00:29:22,025 --> 00:29:24,375
Right. Pe people think of stuff like, I don't know,

711
00:29:24,375 --> 00:29:26,615
Billy Joel, we didn't start the Fire as a List song,

712
00:29:26,615 --> 00:29:28,135
but there's a, there's a part

713
00:29:28,715 --> 00:29:30,375
of Sir Duke that's a list song.

714
00:29:30,565 --> 00:29:32,175
It's also a listening recommendation.

715
00:29:32,325 --> 00:29:34,695
It's in a number one hit. It's, it's like, go check

716
00:29:34,695 --> 00:29:35,895
Out if you are enjoying this record.

717
00:29:36,125 --> 00:29:38,535
Someone's wants to pick up for a deeper dive.

718
00:29:38,635 --> 00:29:41,405
If you enjoy Stevie Wonder's, uh, Songs in the Key of Life,

719
00:29:41,465 --> 00:29:44,165
you might enjoy Bassy Ella, you know, like

720
00:29:45,045 --> 00:29:46,245
Satchmo. Yeah, yeah. And

721
00:29:46,245 --> 00:29:47,245
The king of all, sir Duke. Sir

722
00:29:47,245 --> 00:29:48,605
Duke. Yeah. But Even that, you know,

723
00:29:48,605 --> 00:29:51,165
that the famous horn interlude here.

724
00:29:51,415 --> 00:29:52,765
Lemme see if I can find it real quick.

725
00:29:54,905 --> 00:29:58,485
Penton After this

726
00:30:00,115 --> 00:30:01,115
Yeah.

727
00:30:12,995 --> 00:30:14,125
Bass is playing as well.

728
00:30:23,345 --> 00:30:27,045
You know, that's, I never thought about it like this,

729
00:30:27,185 --> 00:30:28,845
but that line, I mean, this is like

730
00:30:29,395 --> 00:30:31,045
evocative of the big band.

731
00:30:31,105 --> 00:30:32,685
You know, like the way that, like a trumpet section

732
00:30:32,685 --> 00:30:35,805
with the trombones, like a 2D kind of line. It's

733
00:30:35,805 --> 00:30:37,485
Not quite, But it's not quite Yeah.

734
00:30:37,485 --> 00:30:40,565
Because it's entirely a pentatonic scale. Yeah,

735
00:30:40,565 --> 00:30:41,565
I know. Yeah. It's,

736
00:30:41,565 --> 00:30:43,685
it's a ste it's Stevie's vision

737
00:30:44,065 --> 00:30:45,685
of a big band horn line.

738
00:30:45,685 --> 00:30:47,245
Yeah. Which there's not quite as much

739
00:30:47,245 --> 00:30:49,045
of the chromaticism that you might hear.

740
00:30:49,155 --> 00:30:50,605
Yeah. Or some of the functional harmony

741
00:30:50,635 --> 00:30:52,365
that Duke would put into these things. Right.

742
00:30:53,055 --> 00:30:54,565
Hence it being a number one hit.

743
00:30:54,805 --> 00:30:56,845
'cause he put, if he'd put that stuff in, it

744
00:30:56,845 --> 00:30:58,565
Might not Confirm it.

745
00:30:58,565 --> 00:31:00,765
Right. He get, he get, he gets away with stuff Yeah.

746
00:31:00,765 --> 00:31:02,925
In a number one hit that nobody else does. Yeah.

747
00:31:03,065 --> 00:31:05,405
But this is, I love you guys breaking this down for me,

748
00:31:05,405 --> 00:31:07,645
because I've always wondered, I mean, I,

749
00:31:07,785 --> 00:31:09,925
in my rudimentary knowledge of jazz hear this

750
00:31:09,925 --> 00:31:12,765
and I think, okay, this is Duke Ellington style jazz,

751
00:31:13,265 --> 00:31:14,285
but it really isn't.

752
00:31:14,285 --> 00:31:15,445
Right. It's a hybrid. Yeah.

753
00:31:15,485 --> 00:31:17,565
I mean, it's because it's coming out in the era

754
00:31:17,565 --> 00:31:19,685
of weather Report and return to forever.

755
00:31:19,685 --> 00:31:21,205
Right. It's, it's, it's a different era

756
00:31:21,205 --> 00:31:22,845
of jazz when he is putting this out. Yeah.

757
00:31:22,865 --> 00:31:24,525
It it sounds very much like a line

758
00:31:24,525 --> 00:31:25,885
that Stevie Wonder would sing.

759
00:31:26,225 --> 00:31:28,165
Yes. He loves singing Panatonics. He loves

760
00:31:28,205 --> 00:31:30,565
SS and Panatonics a lot of Melo there.

761
00:31:31,065 --> 00:31:32,965
Um, and, or, or maybe it happened

762
00:31:32,965 --> 00:31:34,005
on the harmonica, I'm not sure.

763
00:31:34,005 --> 00:31:37,205
But it definitely has the, it evokes Duke,

764
00:31:37,225 --> 00:31:38,485
it evokes Count Basey,

765
00:31:38,825 --> 00:31:42,645
you know, like Yeah.

766
00:31:42,645 --> 00:31:45,205
Rhythmically. Like it's actually within the swing group,

767
00:31:45,205 --> 00:31:46,285
Surpris, this all that is there.

768
00:31:46,305 --> 00:31:48,765
But it's, it's a little bit not, not the same.

769
00:31:48,765 --> 00:31:51,125
It's more like if that, if if it were happening

770
00:31:51,125 --> 00:31:52,245
in the seventies, what would it

771
00:31:52,245 --> 00:31:53,245
Sound like? Yeah. Well, and

772
00:31:53,245 --> 00:31:55,125
to your point, Chris, about weather report

773
00:31:55,145 --> 00:31:58,045
and then with this Adam, like that was, you know, Joe,

774
00:31:58,105 --> 00:32:00,885
Joe Zal, Wayne shorter, that whole weather report Jocko.

775
00:32:00,895 --> 00:32:02,445
Right. Like, they were really getting into

776
00:32:02,445 --> 00:32:03,605
Pentatonics type of stuff.

777
00:32:03,785 --> 00:32:05,405
And a lot of that was coming outta the actually

778
00:32:05,435 --> 00:32:06,605
John Coltrane influence.

779
00:32:06,625 --> 00:32:08,765
So not so much the part of jazz Duke,

780
00:32:08,765 --> 00:32:10,565
Arlington Count Bassy Satchmo

781
00:32:10,865 --> 00:32:13,165
and King of also like the list that he was saying.

782
00:32:13,545 --> 00:32:16,525
But like, chick Korea, who Stevie Wonder was a huge fan

783
00:32:16,585 --> 00:32:18,205
of Herbie Hancock, you know?

784
00:32:18,275 --> 00:32:20,365
Sure. Um, they would have McCoy Tyner.

785
00:32:20,365 --> 00:32:22,165
That was a big thing with that pentatonic sound.

786
00:32:22,165 --> 00:32:23,965
So he's kind of filtering through a couple

787
00:32:23,965 --> 00:32:26,645
of different kinds of jazz on, I mean, which is crazy

788
00:32:26,805 --> 00:32:29,125
'cause it's like the more jazz you filter in,

789
00:32:29,425 --> 00:32:30,805
the farther away you're gonna get from a

790
00:32:30,805 --> 00:32:31,845
number one hit normally.

791
00:32:32,225 --> 00:32:34,005
But Stevie pulls it off, you know?

792
00:32:34,185 --> 00:32:38,285
And yet, I mean, I think in my memory, you know, you

793
00:32:38,285 --> 00:32:39,765
and I are roughly the same age, Peter.

794
00:32:40,265 --> 00:32:43,885
Um, I was whatever, five when this album came out,

795
00:32:44,075 --> 00:32:45,725
this is the first Stevie Wonder song.

796
00:32:45,805 --> 00:32:47,405
I think I was cognizant of. Me too.

797
00:32:47,545 --> 00:32:49,525
Not counting either that or Superstition

798
00:32:49,525 --> 00:32:52,125
because of Sesame Street, but it, it, this, this,

799
00:32:52,555 --> 00:32:54,205
that they can feel it.

800
00:32:54,505 --> 00:32:55,845
Oh yeah.

801
00:32:56,235 --> 00:33:00,325
That hook is like, it's like fused to my childhood brain.

802
00:33:00,585 --> 00:33:03,405
Yes. Um, because it's so exuberant.

803
00:33:03,405 --> 00:33:04,765
It's so joyous. Yeah. That's,

804
00:33:04,765 --> 00:33:06,885
Know exactly what, what I was gonna say about this track,

805
00:33:06,885 --> 00:33:09,565
Chris, is that like, I think the best part about it is,

806
00:33:09,565 --> 00:33:10,805
is it is like this, Hey,

807
00:33:10,805 --> 00:33:12,405
you should check out this music from the past.

808
00:33:12,405 --> 00:33:13,965
These are the pioneers, the history lesson.

809
00:33:13,995 --> 00:33:15,285
It's, it's a recommendation.

810
00:33:15,285 --> 00:33:16,365
It's a music lesson,

811
00:33:17,025 --> 00:33:19,525
but it's done in the most joyful way possible.

812
00:33:19,555 --> 00:33:21,925
Yeah. Like, the whole thing feels like a party.

813
00:33:22,305 --> 00:33:24,485
And it's honestly, sometimes the thing

814
00:33:24,485 --> 00:33:28,525
that jazz musicians forget about the music that we make is

815
00:33:28,525 --> 00:33:32,825
that it can be in fact, controversial. Very fun.

816
00:33:33,685 --> 00:33:34,685
It Can be

817
00:33:34,855 --> 00:33:35,945
Very, this is A hot take.

818
00:33:36,565 --> 00:33:38,665
Hot take. We're gonna pull this one out. This is gonna,

819
00:33:39,725 --> 00:33:41,025
We can have Fun. Jazz

820
00:33:41,125 --> 00:33:42,125
Can be fun. It doesn't

821
00:33:42,125 --> 00:33:44,305
have to be an intellectual exercise.

822
00:33:44,525 --> 00:33:48,665
It can be, in fact a very joyful party as proven here. I'm

823
00:33:48,665 --> 00:33:49,865
Doing a great job of like, I'm like,

824
00:33:49,995 --> 00:33:53,595
let's turn it into an intellectual party pan a onic scale.

825
00:33:53,595 --> 00:33:54,595
A pentatonic scale.

826
00:33:55,165 --> 00:33:56,905
No, but I want you to break that down for me,

827
00:33:56,905 --> 00:33:58,785
because this has always fascinated me.

828
00:33:58,785 --> 00:34:01,385
Like, is, is this a jazz record? Is this a pop record?

829
00:34:01,525 --> 00:34:02,585
Is this jazz filtered

830
00:34:02,585 --> 00:34:04,545
through a pop sensibility or a funk sensibility?

831
00:34:04,545 --> 00:34:05,825
This is jazz filtered through. I think

832
00:34:05,825 --> 00:34:07,265
That's through Stevie Wonders sensibility.

833
00:34:07,265 --> 00:34:08,265
Yeah. Is what I, is like,

834
00:34:08,265 --> 00:34:10,225
what Peter was saying is like Stevie will sing in

835
00:34:10,295 --> 00:34:13,265
Pentatonics and you can just imagine him saying like,

836
00:34:13,265 --> 00:34:14,385
you know, I wanna write this sort of,

837
00:34:14,465 --> 00:34:15,505
I got these horns in the studio.

838
00:34:15,685 --> 00:34:18,105
I'm gonna write this big band lined line.

839
00:34:18,245 --> 00:34:20,545
But it still is filtered through his sensibility,

840
00:34:20,545 --> 00:34:22,145
which makes it very special.

841
00:34:22,145 --> 00:34:24,425
Like, it makes it a very, it's not just him

842
00:34:24,975 --> 00:34:26,225
nerding out doing research

843
00:34:26,225 --> 00:34:27,385
and trying to like, put a bunch

844
00:34:27,385 --> 00:34:28,865
of sharp elevens in there and 13.

845
00:34:28,865 --> 00:34:30,465
Right. 'cause that's what Duke would've done. Yeah.

846
00:34:30,465 --> 00:34:31,705
He's just doing his thing on it.

847
00:34:31,935 --> 00:34:34,825
Yeah. And I don't think it's, it's like, it's sort of,

848
00:34:35,505 --> 00:34:37,105
I think jazz is probably,

849
00:34:37,735 --> 00:34:39,585
when you really break down Stevie's music,

850
00:34:39,585 --> 00:34:41,785
especially the harmony of his stuff, it's like the easiest,

851
00:34:42,685 --> 00:34:45,625
um, sort of attractions that he'd had, that he had

852
00:34:45,725 --> 00:34:48,505
and the influences that he has to analyze.

853
00:34:48,565 --> 00:34:51,665
But I don't think jazz is any bigger than say, blues

854
00:34:51,725 --> 00:34:53,465
or gospel or,

855
00:34:53,645 --> 00:34:55,905
or even rock to a certain degree later on,

856
00:34:55,905 --> 00:34:57,065
maybe with Stevie for sure.

857
00:34:57,245 --> 00:34:58,385
Um, but I think in terms

858
00:34:58,385 --> 00:34:59,825
of like really the fundamental things

859
00:34:59,825 --> 00:35:01,705
that you hear in like his keyboard playing

860
00:35:01,705 --> 00:35:04,225
and the way that he sings, there's specific things in jazz.

861
00:35:04,225 --> 00:35:05,745
There's specific things in blues

862
00:35:06,245 --> 00:35:07,705
and for sure specific things.

863
00:35:07,705 --> 00:35:09,425
Like, like for instance, on on the one

864
00:35:09,425 --> 00:35:13,425
before, like that's actually a,

865
00:35:13,545 --> 00:35:14,945
a different version of a pentatonic.

866
00:35:16,405 --> 00:35:17,545
That's all pentatonic.

867
00:35:18,405 --> 00:35:19,785
Oh, interesting. Minor pentatonic.

868
00:35:19,845 --> 00:35:24,145
But then he breaks up the pentatonic on the four court,

869
00:35:24,145 --> 00:35:25,465
which is very much a gospel thing.

870
00:35:25,665 --> 00:35:30,505
You've got like, so he's sort

871
00:35:30,505 --> 00:35:32,625
of combining those, and I'm sure he wasn't like,

872
00:35:32,625 --> 00:35:34,145
let me combine the, you know,

873
00:35:34,145 --> 00:35:35,145
No, he's Just hearing stuff. He's hearing

874
00:35:35,145 --> 00:35:37,485
stuff. But I think like he, um,

875
00:35:38,185 --> 00:35:41,125
was such a student of like a wide range of music.

876
00:35:41,225 --> 00:35:43,405
You can tell, you know, this was not just like, oh,

877
00:35:43,505 --> 00:35:45,165
all this kind of stuff sort of came.

878
00:35:45,285 --> 00:35:47,285
I mean, you could hear I've, I've heard him live a, a bunch

879
00:35:47,285 --> 00:35:49,485
of times, and of course that was later on than this.

880
00:35:50,105 --> 00:35:52,365
But like, he, I saw him one time

881
00:35:52,785 --> 00:35:54,765
and this was probably early nineties or something.

882
00:35:55,185 --> 00:35:58,405
He started out the set and played Chiia Spain.

883
00:35:58,715 --> 00:36:01,245
Like everybody was so hyped. Wow. So hyped up.

884
00:36:01,245 --> 00:36:04,445
It's like Stevie comes out just instrumental, which is like,

885
00:36:04,445 --> 00:36:06,045
first of all, oh, that's another pentatonic.

886
00:36:06,075 --> 00:36:07,285
They, so he likes pentatonic.

887
00:36:07,285 --> 00:36:08,565
Well, there's a lot of pentatonic in there,

888
00:36:08,745 --> 00:36:10,845
but like, he just played it as, it's like a fusion band,

889
00:36:11,025 --> 00:36:12,285
you know, like, like wow.

890
00:36:12,355 --> 00:36:14,205
Just played, it played like a solo,

891
00:36:14,315 --> 00:36:15,605
like the trumpet player played a,

892
00:36:15,605 --> 00:36:16,765
like, that was their warmup tune.

893
00:36:16,795 --> 00:36:18,925
I've heard him do Giant Steps as the warmup tune.

894
00:36:19,345 --> 00:36:21,605
Now it's Stevie Wonder. He knows no one's gonna leave.

895
00:36:22,005 --> 00:36:23,925
'cause he's not playing. I wish as the first tune, like,

896
00:36:23,925 --> 00:36:25,805
people are there, they're settling in, right?

897
00:36:26,005 --> 00:36:27,685
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He can, he can kind

898
00:36:27,685 --> 00:36:28,925
of play whatever he wants on the first tune.

899
00:36:29,225 --> 00:36:31,805
But I mean, it's just to say that like, he understood

900
00:36:32,405 --> 00:36:33,485
a lot of different kind of music.

901
00:36:33,545 --> 00:36:35,765
We talk about funk. He was going to actually,

902
00:36:35,765 --> 00:36:37,885
before this, he was going to New Orleans in 73

903
00:36:37,885 --> 00:36:39,205
and 74 for sure.

904
00:36:39,235 --> 00:36:41,045
Real quietly listening to

905
00:36:41,065 --> 00:36:42,725
and sitting in with the meters down there.

906
00:36:42,825 --> 00:36:44,605
Art Neville, George Porter

907
00:36:44,605 --> 00:36:46,365
and stuff used to tell stories about that.

908
00:36:46,385 --> 00:36:48,085
So like, he had that kind of an influence

909
00:36:48,085 --> 00:36:50,365
with the New Orleans Swamp funk kind of stuff.

910
00:36:51,105 --> 00:36:54,565
Um, so it's, to me, it's so interesting when it comes out

911
00:36:55,225 --> 00:36:57,045
on, on a number one hit, I'm like, damn,

912
00:36:57,425 --> 00:36:59,085
how did he basically pulled off two?

913
00:36:59,625 --> 00:37:03,285
So I wish and Sudu are have heavy jazz sensibilities to him

914
00:37:03,285 --> 00:37:05,805
because this is almost like a walking baseline. Well,

915
00:37:05,805 --> 00:37:08,405
And Like a jazz walking baseline. Yes.

916
00:37:08,685 --> 00:37:10,445
I was gonna say it sounds like a walking baseline.

917
00:37:10,675 --> 00:37:13,205
Yeah. And one of the other singles from this album is

918
00:37:13,265 --> 00:37:15,285
as, which features Herbie Hancock on the

919
00:37:15,425 --> 00:37:16,485
on the Fender Roads.

920
00:37:16,595 --> 00:37:17,925
Yeah. You know, so there's, yeah.

921
00:37:17,925 --> 00:37:19,125
It's, uh, it's all over the place.

922
00:37:19,285 --> 00:37:21,365
I, I wanna get though, before we get too deep,

923
00:37:21,765 --> 00:37:22,925
I wanna get to an honorable mention.

924
00:37:23,035 --> 00:37:24,685
This wasn't a hit, this wasn't a single,

925
00:37:25,265 --> 00:37:26,525
but it produced one later.

926
00:37:26,745 --> 00:37:28,725
And it comes, it's eighth track

927
00:37:28,745 --> 00:37:32,765
of the album. I love this song. You almost

928
00:37:32,765 --> 00:37:33,765
Can't hear it. You almost can't

929
00:37:33,765 --> 00:37:35,365
hear this song anymore without thinking of

930
00:37:35,365 --> 00:37:36,685
what it became 20 years later.

931
00:37:43,245 --> 00:37:48,045
I love Pastime Paradise so much. I love production. Yeah.

932
00:37:48,325 --> 00:37:49,445
I love those synth strings.

933
00:37:51,095 --> 00:37:51,765
Those Aren't syn

934
00:37:51,765 --> 00:37:52,885
strings. Those are real strings. Sorry.

935
00:37:53,265 --> 00:37:54,685
No, synths. Are they synths? Yeah,

936
00:37:54,685 --> 00:37:55,885
They're Yamaha. Yep.

937
00:37:55,955 --> 00:37:57,845
Yeah. No, in fact, that was

938
00:37:57,955 --> 00:38:00,485
what was innovative about this record in 76. Oh,

939
00:38:00,485 --> 00:38:01,485
The GX one. Okay. Yeah.

940
00:38:01,485 --> 00:38:01,925

941
00:38:12,905 --> 00:38:13,125
Nce.

942
00:38:19,065 --> 00:38:21,845
So fast forward 20 years

943
00:38:22,545 --> 00:38:26,805
and you get this from Coolio, 1990 Fives,

944
00:38:27,565 --> 00:38:28,845
gangsters Paradise and Key,

945
00:38:29,505 --> 00:38:31,245
The number one hit of 1995. Yeah.

946
00:38:31,305 --> 00:38:33,885
The number one hit of 1995,

947
00:38:34,505 --> 00:38:35,605
The biggest record of that year.

948
00:38:40,865 --> 00:38:42,805
You know, Michelle Pfeiffer turning around the chair,

949
00:38:42,875 --> 00:38:43,885
sitting down in the video.

950
00:38:44,185 --> 00:38:46,845
And by the way, notice a little something

951
00:38:46,845 --> 00:38:47,925
about that coolio record.

952
00:38:48,025 --> 00:38:49,045
As badass as it is.

953
00:38:49,435 --> 00:38:50,885
What aren't you hearing on that record

954
00:38:52,515 --> 00:38:54,885
that you would normally hear on a nineties rap record?

955
00:38:55,545 --> 00:38:58,445
Oh, let's hear it again. Profanity.

956
00:38:59,235 --> 00:39:02,125
Profanity, right? Yes. Ding. That's right. Is

957
00:39:02,125 --> 00:39:03,125
That true? So the, the,

958
00:39:03,125 --> 00:39:06,165
the story goes that when Coolio

959
00:39:06,345 --> 00:39:08,165
and Julio's label went to Stevie Wonder

960
00:39:08,305 --> 00:39:09,885
to seek approval for the sample.

961
00:39:10,235 --> 00:39:12,005
Yeah. Stevie said no at first.

962
00:39:12,355 --> 00:39:16,405
Then they went back to him and the second time he said, yes.

963
00:39:16,425 --> 00:39:18,285
But he said, but you gotta take the profanity out.

964
00:39:18,745 --> 00:39:20,365
And Stevie did coolio a favor

965
00:39:20,595 --> 00:39:22,805
because that made that record that much bigger.

966
00:39:23,025 --> 00:39:24,685
It could be played all day on the radio.

967
00:39:24,825 --> 00:39:25,965
It didn't have to be censored

968
00:39:25,965 --> 00:39:27,165
or swooped or anything like that.

969
00:39:27,305 --> 00:39:28,765
It was a number one hit on the hot 100.

970
00:39:29,715 --> 00:39:33,245
Yeah. Right. At a time when gangster rap is ascendant.

971
00:39:33,315 --> 00:39:36,245
Yeah. You know, and, and you know, I mean, I love Dr.

972
00:39:36,435 --> 00:39:38,925
Dres the chronic, but like, you know, they had

973
00:39:38,925 --> 00:39:40,525
to record whole different lyrics for nothing

974
00:39:40,545 --> 00:39:42,805
but a g thing to get that on top 40 radio.

975
00:39:42,915 --> 00:39:44,885
Yeah. Right. You didn't have to edit anything on

976
00:39:44,955 --> 00:39:46,045
Julio's Gangster's Paradise.

977
00:39:46,045 --> 00:39:47,965
And as a result, it's the number one hit in the top hit

978
00:39:47,965 --> 00:39:49,045
of the year, by the

979
00:39:49,045 --> 00:39:50,045
Way. That's amazing. It charted

980
00:39:50,045 --> 00:39:50,245
again

981
00:39:50,245 --> 00:39:52,685
after Julio's death in 2022 at number

982
00:39:52,685 --> 00:39:54,125
55, which is interesting.

983
00:39:54,125 --> 00:39:56,885
It went back on the hot 100 after Coolio passed away.

984
00:39:57,815 --> 00:40:01,035
So does that, so that was, I was gonna say, was that same

985
00:40:01,155 --> 00:40:04,235
'cause I knew it was the exact same tempo, same key.

986
00:40:04,375 --> 00:40:06,875
And I couldn't tell if that was interpolation or I

987
00:40:06,875 --> 00:40:08,195
Think it's an interpolation, I think

988
00:40:08,495 --> 00:40:09,495
An interpolation. I don't how it's, I think's interation Okay. If

989
00:40:09,495 --> 00:40:09,755
you listen

990
00:40:09,755 --> 00:40:11,395
to just how the, the strings sound.

991
00:40:12,305 --> 00:40:15,235
Yeah. Plus you're talking about a 19 year

992
00:40:15,235 --> 00:40:16,435
difference in technology.

993
00:40:16,565 --> 00:40:19,315
Right. Improvement, I don't know, call it improvement.

994
00:40:19,575 --> 00:40:23,075
But the synthesizer in 76 that he's using is I guess,

995
00:40:23,075 --> 00:40:25,275
primitive compared to the one that you Well, it is

996
00:40:25,335 --> 00:40:26,335
The JX one.

997
00:40:26,865 --> 00:40:28,395
Yeah. The Yama Jakes one was very,

998
00:40:28,555 --> 00:40:31,355
I was always amazed when I found, like, I could kind

999
00:40:31,355 --> 00:40:32,995
of tell, I was like, I don't think that's real string.

1000
00:40:33,235 --> 00:40:34,955
Stevie used a lot of real strings at different times.

1001
00:40:35,055 --> 00:40:38,195
And in fact, I heard him do this at the Superdome in New

1002
00:40:38,195 --> 00:40:40,315
Orleans in like, at the Ebony Festival.

1003
00:40:40,335 --> 00:40:43,475
It must have been mid nineties with a string orchestra.

1004
00:40:43,695 --> 00:40:45,755
And it was stunning. You know, it was like,

1005
00:40:46,055 --> 00:40:47,635
to hear him do this, I'll bet it

1006
00:40:47,635 --> 00:40:48,675
was one o'clock in the morning.

1007
00:40:48,775 --> 00:40:50,755
And I mean, the whole thing was, was incredible.

1008
00:40:51,375 --> 00:40:54,115
But, um, the, of course he did his version,

1009
00:40:54,135 --> 00:40:55,875
not Julio's version, I should just point out.

1010
00:40:55,875 --> 00:40:58,155
Sure. But, uh, but I

1011
00:40:58,155 --> 00:41:01,595
Mean, that's such a Stevie move in 76 on Pastime Paradise

1012
00:41:01,595 --> 00:41:02,635
to kind of like try

1013
00:41:02,635 --> 00:41:04,795
to create an orchestra with a synthesizer.

1014
00:41:04,945 --> 00:41:07,995
Yeah. That's, that's such a move that he would pull.

1015
00:41:07,995 --> 00:41:09,635
Yeah. It sounds great. I think he does something

1016
00:41:09,635 --> 00:41:11,995
similar on Village Ghetto Land also on this album.

1017
00:41:12,195 --> 00:41:15,075
I think that too has Yeah. Synth strings Exactly. On

1018
00:41:15,075 --> 00:41:16,075
It. Yeah. And he had such

1019
00:41:16,075 --> 00:41:17,115
a unique take on it.

1020
00:41:19,605 --> 00:41:21,315
Right. That's clearly a synthesizer. Yeah.

1021
00:41:22,605 --> 00:41:24,355
Great. Another great song and

1022
00:41:24,355 --> 00:41:26,075
Almost has a choir, like, like a,

1023
00:41:26,075 --> 00:41:27,595
like a Strings with a choir on.

1024
00:41:27,595 --> 00:41:29,835
It's just a very unique, like Stevie was

1025
00:41:30,055 --> 00:41:31,235
for all his genius stuff

1026
00:41:31,335 --> 00:41:32,595
and still, it's still on this record

1027
00:41:32,945 --> 00:41:34,565
and I see Greg Filling Gain's name

1028
00:41:34,865 --> 00:41:39,205
who pops up on every like, great hit hit that we see somehow

1029
00:41:39,205 --> 00:41:40,205
Fall. It's like filling's appreciation

1030
00:41:40,205 --> 00:41:40,805
months

1031
00:41:40,805 --> 00:41:42,125
around here at You'll hear it podcast.

1032
00:41:42,195 --> 00:41:44,765
Yeah, yeah, of course. Seriously. Amazing. Yeah.

1033
00:41:45,725 --> 00:41:47,765
I remember when I first heard Village Ghetto Land actually,

1034
00:41:47,945 --> 00:41:50,645
and being, this would've been, I would've been 16

1035
00:41:50,665 --> 00:41:54,765
or so, so around 1995.

1036
00:41:55,845 --> 00:41:59,105
And, um, being a little like you, the strings, you know,

1037
00:41:59,245 --> 00:42:00,505
the synth strings sound horrible.

1038
00:42:00,785 --> 00:42:02,185
'cause you know, I, I'm rocking my, it sounds

1039
00:42:02,185 --> 00:42:03,225
Thin by Modern Amp.

1040
00:42:03,225 --> 00:42:06,545
Yeah. Yeah. I'm rocking my ins Sonic Synthesizer. Sampler.

1041
00:42:06,575 --> 00:42:08,065
Yeah. Sampler. But, uh,

1042
00:42:09,205 --> 00:42:12,225
but I still don't think I'd I I I've ever heard

1043
00:42:12,305 --> 00:42:13,385
a song quite like that.

1044
00:42:13,455 --> 00:42:14,985
Yeah. From anybody.

1045
00:42:15,055 --> 00:42:17,625
Like, it was just such an amazing, amazing concept.

1046
00:42:17,885 --> 00:42:18,985
The whole song that,

1047
00:42:19,105 --> 00:42:21,025
I mean, I think Stevie and Pastime Paradise

1048
00:42:21,165 --> 00:42:23,665
and Black Man, I think are standouts in that regard.

1049
00:42:23,665 --> 00:42:25,905
Yeah. But I mean, even like, I, I agree. Yeah.

1050
00:42:25,905 --> 00:42:28,465
Even getting to 1976 and synthesizer

1051
00:42:28,685 --> 00:42:31,585
and even sampling was, was starting to be happening,

1052
00:42:31,725 --> 00:42:34,265
had progressed a lot from like music in my mind, um,

1053
00:42:34,265 --> 00:42:35,305
fulfilling this even.

1054
00:42:35,605 --> 00:42:38,345
But like Stevie All Along was such kind

1055
00:42:38,345 --> 00:42:40,225
of an underrated thing that he did.

1056
00:42:40,285 --> 00:42:42,105
He was such a pioneer

1057
00:42:42,285 --> 00:42:45,305
and innovator as a taste maker with synthesizers.

1058
00:42:45,305 --> 00:42:47,225
Like to be able to get different sounds. Sure.

1059
00:42:47,225 --> 00:42:51,305
No, but he had this ability to not just, well,

1060
00:42:51,305 --> 00:42:53,065
because you couldn't at that time really strictly

1061
00:42:54,055 --> 00:42:55,145
imitate a string sound.

1062
00:42:55,165 --> 00:42:56,425
So like he did one better

1063
00:42:56,425 --> 00:42:57,865
instead of just trying to get his close.

1064
00:42:58,085 --> 00:42:59,265
He tried, he was able

1065
00:42:59,265 --> 00:43:01,465
to make it into a new sound, you know what I mean?

1066
00:43:01,465 --> 00:43:03,945
Right. He was able to like tailor the sound

1067
00:43:04,245 --> 00:43:05,585
and like really dial it

1068
00:43:05,725 --> 00:43:07,625
to make it like a personal kind of thing.

1069
00:43:07,845 --> 00:43:09,265
And I think that when you hear this stuff,

1070
00:43:09,365 --> 00:43:10,825
it actually doesn't sound dated.

1071
00:43:10,895 --> 00:43:12,305
Like it should, you know,

1072
00:43:12,765 --> 00:43:13,985
It sounds like the 1970s.

1073
00:43:13,985 --> 00:43:15,985
Yeah. If it sounds like when you hear an

1074
00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:17,425
Asia kick drum, right.

1075
00:43:17,425 --> 00:43:19,505
Like you don't kick drum like that anymore.

1076
00:43:19,685 --> 00:43:22,145
And it still doesn't make it not beautiful. It's gorgeous.

1077
00:43:22,805 --> 00:43:24,065
But you could say some, but it's of

1078
00:43:24,225 --> 00:43:25,225
Its time. It's of its time.

1079
00:43:25,335 --> 00:43:27,385
Yeah. You could say some of the early, you know,

1080
00:43:27,385 --> 00:43:29,665
once we get into the early eighties with Stevie, some

1081
00:43:29,665 --> 00:43:31,305
of the synthesizer sound, some

1082
00:43:31,305 --> 00:43:33,265
of the program drums possibly sound a little

1083
00:43:33,265 --> 00:43:34,385
bit date Uhoh. He's getting mad

1084
00:43:34,385 --> 00:43:35,545
At this is your Gen X.

1085
00:43:35,545 --> 00:43:37,105
Okay. Sorry. This is your conditioning,

1086
00:43:37,105 --> 00:43:38,225
your Gen X conditioning.

1087
00:43:38,685 --> 00:43:39,785
You were coming of age

1088
00:43:39,785 --> 00:43:40,825
and thought you were too cool

1089
00:43:40,885 --> 00:43:42,385
for the DX seven sounds. Just a minute,

1090
00:43:42,995 --> 00:43:44,785
Chris, let's talk about 1976.

1091
00:43:44,785 --> 00:43:46,065
Something he doesn't know about the kids.

1092
00:43:46,065 --> 00:43:47,985
Love when Sir Duke was playing on the radio. Radio

1093
00:43:47,985 --> 00:43:48,985
When I was five, but Go on. Exactly.

1094
00:43:48,985 --> 00:43:50,465
I was five, I was six.

1095
00:43:50,925 --> 00:43:53,465
And but that, but another thing, 70 76,

1096
00:43:53,465 --> 00:43:54,825
you're talking about like, you know

1097
00:43:54,825 --> 00:43:57,265
how optimistic Sir Duke sounded on the radio and it did.

1098
00:43:57,405 --> 00:43:59,825
It was also Absolutely. It was just, that was kind of some

1099
00:43:59,825 --> 00:44:00,865
of my earliest memories.

1100
00:44:01,365 --> 00:44:04,025
It was like the bicentennial. Yeah. It was like a big deal.

1101
00:44:04,205 --> 00:44:05,585
Big deal. Everybody was into it.

1102
00:44:05,645 --> 00:44:07,545
It wasn't like today where not everybody be into it.

1103
00:44:07,545 --> 00:44:08,665
Like everybody was into it.

1104
00:44:09,145 --> 00:44:11,065
Stevie's on the charts, there's a lot of like,

1105
00:44:11,515 --> 00:44:15,305
there was just more unifying cultural sort of events,

1106
00:44:15,305 --> 00:44:16,665
especially in music, you know?

1107
00:44:17,205 --> 00:44:18,865
Um, yeah. That happened in a way

1108
00:44:18,865 --> 00:44:21,185
that now, you know, it's different.

1109
00:44:21,185 --> 00:44:23,145
Like, you know, whatever. Taylor Swift has all,

1110
00:44:23,145 --> 00:44:25,505
what does she have nine things on the charts right now.

1111
00:44:25,505 --> 00:44:26,625
And I couldn't sing you any of 'em.

1112
00:44:26,705 --> 00:44:28,065
'cause my, it doesn't hit my algorithm.

1113
00:44:28,095 --> 00:44:29,345
Nothing against Taylor Swift.

1114
00:44:29,465 --> 00:44:31,845
I just, but at this, I mean, in 1976,

1115
00:44:31,855 --> 00:44:35,565
could you have avoided Sir Duke, you know, as an American?

1116
00:44:35,565 --> 00:44:37,325
Well, I mean, I'll invoke, I'll invoke that word

1117
00:44:37,325 --> 00:44:39,125
that gets used in these conversations all the time,

1118
00:44:39,125 --> 00:44:40,325
which is monoculture, right?

1119
00:44:40,325 --> 00:44:41,605
Yeah. You, when in a world

1120
00:44:41,605 --> 00:44:43,365
where you only had three TV networks

1121
00:44:43,545 --> 00:44:45,525
and everybody got their music from the radio,

1122
00:44:45,545 --> 00:44:47,805
and you had to go buy your music in a record store if you

1123
00:44:47,805 --> 00:44:50,365
wanted to play it back in your own home.

1124
00:44:50,575 --> 00:44:54,205
Right. You know, there you had somebody like Stevie

1125
00:44:54,205 --> 00:44:55,765
who could kind of own everybody Right.

1126
00:44:55,765 --> 00:44:57,085
And, and command the charts

1127
00:44:57,085 --> 00:44:59,365
and, you know, a number one hit was really,

1128
00:45:00,145 --> 00:45:01,605
if not fully universal.

1129
00:45:01,915 --> 00:45:03,605
Very universal. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

1130
00:45:03,605 --> 00:45:05,325
Very universally consumed. Yeah.

1131
00:45:05,325 --> 00:45:07,805
Whereas now, you know, you're kind of,

1132
00:45:08,065 --> 00:45:10,045
Taylor is legitimately huge.

1133
00:45:10,625 --> 00:45:14,005
Um, but, you know, many weeks when it's not Taylor Swift,

1134
00:45:14,345 --> 00:45:17,325
you know, it's like the biggest among, you know, a smaller

1135
00:45:18,095 --> 00:45:19,925
level of, you know, consumption.

1136
00:45:20,135 --> 00:45:21,405
Right. Uh, it wasn't like

1137
00:45:21,405 --> 00:45:23,005
that in 76 when Stevie Wonder drop

1138
00:45:23,005 --> 00:45:24,165
songs in the K one. Right?

1139
00:45:24,275 --> 00:45:25,405
Yeah. We were just talking about this.

1140
00:45:25,405 --> 00:45:28,085
We just did Thriller, um, which would probably be out

1141
00:45:28,105 --> 00:45:30,005
by now the time, by the time people are listening to this.

1142
00:45:30,105 --> 00:45:32,365
But we were talking about that same thing as big

1143
00:45:32,365 --> 00:45:34,245
as Taylor is even, you know,

1144
00:45:34,505 --> 00:45:37,485
my mom doesn't really know any Taylor Swift songs,

1145
00:45:37,545 --> 00:45:40,445
but I remember in 1983

1146
00:45:40,545 --> 00:45:41,885
or four when I was, you know,

1147
00:45:41,885 --> 00:45:43,645
when Thriller was still on the charts,

1148
00:45:44,345 --> 00:45:47,485
my grandma knew Billie Jean, like everybody knew Right.

1149
00:45:47,785 --> 00:45:50,005
And heard it and had seen it, knew what, knew

1150
00:45:50,005 --> 00:45:51,005
who Michael Jackson was.

1151
00:45:51,625 --> 00:45:53,925
Um, knew that music actually. Yeah.

1152
00:45:54,025 --> 00:45:55,885
So I, I wanna plan a little flag where,

1153
00:45:55,885 --> 00:45:57,525
where this show is going right now,

1154
00:45:57,555 --> 00:45:58,725
just for our listeners here.

1155
00:45:58,745 --> 00:46:01,005
So if you notice, we're kind of, we're paying attention to

1156
00:46:02,145 --> 00:46:05,125
the singles and the things that might have charted

1157
00:46:05,125 --> 00:46:07,645
because we've got, uh, Chris Molan on.

1158
00:46:07,785 --> 00:46:11,165
And, and so we will eventually do a show on some

1159
00:46:11,165 --> 00:46:12,165
of the BSides on this.

1160
00:46:12,175 --> 00:46:15,325
We've, we've, we've talked about, uh, songs in the Q Flash

1161
00:46:15,325 --> 00:46:16,965
before, but we're gonna have to do Peter, we're gonna have

1162
00:46:16,965 --> 00:46:18,125
to do like a three hour show at some point

1163
00:46:18,125 --> 00:46:20,485
because it's so hard to skip over things like Summer

1164
00:46:20,515 --> 00:46:22,045
Soft and Ordinary Pain. Oh

1165
00:46:22,045 --> 00:46:23,045
My God. Somes soft. I

1166
00:46:23,045 --> 00:46:24,645
I mean B Size you mean

1167
00:46:24,645 --> 00:46:26,605
stuff that the musicians love? That's what we're talking

1168
00:46:26,605 --> 00:46:27,605
About. Well, that are like some of the

1169
00:46:27,605 --> 00:46:27,805
greatest

1170
00:46:27,805 --> 00:46:28,885
songs ever recorded.

1171
00:46:29,185 --> 00:46:31,205
One that I don't want to skip that wasn't a single

1172
00:46:31,425 --> 00:46:33,405
and I don't know if it ever charted anywhere,

1173
00:46:33,425 --> 00:46:36,365
but I just know that as a young musician saving up to move

1174
00:46:36,365 --> 00:46:37,845
to New York, I played a lot of weddings

1175
00:46:38,505 --> 00:46:40,965
and I never played a wedding that we didn't play this

1176
00:46:43,745 --> 00:46:45,245
father daughter dance. Yeah.

1177
00:46:46,095 --> 00:46:51,085
Right. That's when you know an album's great when it has

1178
00:46:51,205 --> 00:46:53,685
a song that is universally known

1179
00:46:53,685 --> 00:46:55,165
and it wasn't even a hit. Wasn't

1180
00:46:55,285 --> 00:46:56,285
A hit. That's, I

1181
00:46:56,285 --> 00:46:56,925
was shocked when I

1182
00:46:56,925 --> 00:46:58,845
saw that this wasn't one of those. We were like, there's

1183
00:46:58,845 --> 00:46:59,845
Four. It was not one of

1184
00:46:59,845 --> 00:47:00,805
the four singles. That's

1185
00:47:00,805 --> 00:47:01,805
Crazy. That's crazy. I Would've,

1186
00:47:01,805 --> 00:47:02,525
I would've, which is crazy.

1187
00:47:02,525 --> 00:47:04,925
Which means it didn't appear on the Hot 100 back then

1188
00:47:05,225 --> 00:47:07,885
for a song to appear on the Hot 100 for it to be eligible,

1189
00:47:07,885 --> 00:47:09,565
it had to be released as a retail single.

1190
00:47:09,895 --> 00:47:12,485
Isn't She Lovely. Was never released as a single. Amazing.

1191
00:47:12,505 --> 00:47:14,725
The two songs from this period, I would compare it

1192
00:47:14,725 --> 00:47:15,765
to, there's a weird analogy.

1193
00:47:16,165 --> 00:47:17,765
I would compare it to Landslide

1194
00:47:17,765 --> 00:47:20,485
by Fleetwood Mac from the self-titled record.

1195
00:47:20,485 --> 00:47:23,445
Mm-hmm. Not a single Crazy Now universally known Crazy

1196
00:47:23,905 --> 00:47:25,925
and, uh, Vienna by Billy Joel from The

1197
00:47:26,205 --> 00:47:27,165
Stranger. No idea. You're kidding.

1198
00:47:27,165 --> 00:47:29,285
What? Not A single what? Not a single.

1199
00:47:29,425 --> 00:47:32,125
And now it's like particularly among Gen Z. Yeah.

1200
00:47:32,125 --> 00:47:34,045
If you ask a Gen Z person name me a Billy Joel

1201
00:47:34,045 --> 00:47:35,165
song, they'll name Vienna before

1202
00:47:35,265 --> 00:47:36,265
You. Yeah. It might be the most

1203
00:47:36,265 --> 00:47:38,165
well known, uh, uh,

1204
00:47:38,165 --> 00:47:39,605
Billy Joel song right now.

1205
00:47:39,835 --> 00:47:42,085
Yeah. Culturally. Yeah. Certainly from The Stranger. Right?

1206
00:47:42,085 --> 00:47:44,725
Wow. So Chris, what, why would this have not, would

1207
00:47:44,725 --> 00:47:45,965
that have been a Stevie?

1208
00:47:46,005 --> 00:47:48,165
I mean, he had so much control that he just didn't want,

1209
00:47:48,165 --> 00:47:51,005
because I mean, the record company Motown would've been like

1210
00:47:51,745 --> 00:47:53,405
all over this as a, as a,

1211
00:47:53,425 --> 00:47:55,525
as an easy crossover, hit crossover.

1212
00:47:55,765 --> 00:47:57,765
I mean, this is some of the most pop stuff on here, right?

1213
00:47:58,645 --> 00:47:59,805
I mean, it has to do okay.

1214
00:47:59,805 --> 00:48:01,845
In my mind, it has to do with the, the typical

1215
00:48:02,365 --> 00:48:04,325
practices in the music business at the time, which is

1216
00:48:04,325 --> 00:48:05,725
that you never went more than three

1217
00:48:06,005 --> 00:48:07,405
or four singles deep on an album.

1218
00:48:07,595 --> 00:48:09,765
Yeah. The what was, you know,

1219
00:48:09,765 --> 00:48:13,085
what was normal quote unquote was that you would, you know,

1220
00:48:13,425 --> 00:48:14,765
put out maybe a third single

1221
00:48:14,785 --> 00:48:16,565
and then you'd say, okay, where's the next album?

1222
00:48:16,655 --> 00:48:18,285
Right. But again, Stevie Wonder is

1223
00:48:18,285 --> 00:48:19,325
now changing that cadence.

1224
00:48:19,595 --> 00:48:22,245
He's changing the pattern such that it's no longer weird

1225
00:48:22,265 --> 00:48:23,725
for an album to take two years.

1226
00:48:24,345 --> 00:48:26,685
The very next year an album you guys just talked about

1227
00:48:26,745 --> 00:48:29,205
Rumors by Fleetwood Mac becomes the first album

1228
00:48:29,305 --> 00:48:30,845
to score four top 10 hits.

1229
00:48:31,085 --> 00:48:33,165
'cause they released four hits off that album

1230
00:48:33,275 --> 00:48:34,445
that had never happened before.

1231
00:48:34,505 --> 00:48:36,685
Mm. Pretty soon Michael Jackson becomes the

1232
00:48:36,685 --> 00:48:37,805
first soloist to pull that off.

1233
00:48:37,805 --> 00:48:39,525
There were four top 10 hits from Off the Wall,

1234
00:48:39,525 --> 00:48:40,725
which came out in 79.

1235
00:48:40,995 --> 00:48:44,205
Yeah. So like the, the whole cadence of number

1236
00:48:44,205 --> 00:48:45,645
of singles you'd release from an album.

1237
00:48:46,325 --> 00:48:48,805
I will say it is odd to me that as great

1238
00:48:48,865 --> 00:48:50,165
as the other two singles are,

1239
00:48:50,165 --> 00:48:51,685
which I think we're gonna talk about in a minute,

1240
00:48:52,145 --> 00:48:53,725
um, that you wouldn't pick.

1241
00:48:53,775 --> 00:48:56,565
Isn't she lovely, given what a mass appeal record it is.

1242
00:48:56,565 --> 00:48:59,005
Yeah. But maybe they just figured, you know, they wanted

1243
00:48:59,025 --> 00:49:00,685
to serve all the markets

1244
00:49:00,985 --> 00:49:03,245
and maybe they wanted something a little more jazzy

1245
00:49:03,245 --> 00:49:05,085
or a little more r and b. I don't know. Well,

1246
00:49:05,085 --> 00:49:06,765
Our producer Liz is gonna help us out here.

1247
00:49:06,885 --> 00:49:09,165
'cause she has in her researched, it wasn't released

1248
00:49:09,265 --> 00:49:10,525
as a single because it's six

1249
00:49:10,525 --> 00:49:12,045
and a half minutes long. And Stevie

1250
00:49:12,045 --> 00:49:14,365
Refused there is that He refused to shorten it,

1251
00:49:14,505 --> 00:49:18,245
to put it on, uh, to put it on a single disc. So, and

1252
00:49:18,245 --> 00:49:20,285
Even if he hadn't shortened it, now mind you, there's,

1253
00:49:20,285 --> 00:49:22,325
there's precedent for long singles.

1254
00:49:22,385 --> 00:49:25,165
Hey, Jude, in 1968 was a seven minute single Wow.

1255
00:49:25,165 --> 00:49:26,925
That went to number one and was never cut.

1256
00:49:27,385 --> 00:49:29,005
Um, American Pie

1257
00:49:29,005 --> 00:49:31,885
by Don McLean in 1972 is a nine minute single.

1258
00:49:32,105 --> 00:49:34,605
It, it had to get divided on 45, such

1259
00:49:34,605 --> 00:49:36,005
that you heard the first half on the A side

1260
00:49:36,005 --> 00:49:37,285
and the second half on the B side.

1261
00:49:37,385 --> 00:49:38,805
Wow. But on the radio,

1262
00:49:38,805 --> 00:49:41,285
everybody played all nine minutes of American Pie.

1263
00:49:41,355 --> 00:49:43,685
Yeah. So it's not as if there were no records

1264
00:49:43,755 --> 00:49:44,765
that were six minutes long

1265
00:49:44,765 --> 00:49:45,765
that were getting played on the radio,

1266
00:49:45,945 --> 00:49:47,805
but I think Stevie probably knew

1267
00:49:48,195 --> 00:49:50,845
that there'd be a radio edit within minutes if

1268
00:49:50,845 --> 00:49:51,925
they put this out as a single.

1269
00:49:52,055 --> 00:49:55,085
Right. And for him, the point of that record is hearing

1270
00:49:55,865 --> 00:49:57,405
his daughter taking a bath.

1271
00:49:57,635 --> 00:49:59,725
Yeah. You know? Yeah. Late in the, the,

1272
00:49:59,725 --> 00:50:02,245
the sound effects are part of the atmosphere of that record.

1273
00:50:02,245 --> 00:50:03,245
Right. Yeah. And it's frontload

1274
00:50:03,345 --> 00:50:04,525
you probably didn't wanna Yeah.

1275
00:50:04,545 --> 00:50:05,765
And it's front loaded with that

1276
00:50:05,785 --> 00:50:06,925
and then it comes back later.

1277
00:50:07,145 --> 00:50:08,285
And then it comes back. Exactly.

1278
00:50:08,355 --> 00:50:09,685
There's a reprise of the, the,

1279
00:50:09,785 --> 00:50:12,165
the daughter sounds exactly Aisha and I

1280
00:50:12,165 --> 00:50:14,605
Was just thinking before you get to that Adam, uh, years,

1281
00:50:14,875 --> 00:50:17,885
well not that many years later on, I guess music aquarium,

1282
00:50:17,885 --> 00:50:18,925
that was like 82

1283
00:50:18,945 --> 00:50:21,245
or 81, which was, you know, like some hits on there.

1284
00:50:21,465 --> 00:50:23,165
I'd probably dis satisfy something with Motown,

1285
00:50:23,345 --> 00:50:24,485
but it had, do I do on there?

1286
00:50:24,485 --> 00:50:26,765
Yeah. We're talking about jazz influence

1287
00:50:26,785 --> 00:50:29,125
and I don't know how big of a hit that was,

1288
00:50:29,145 --> 00:50:31,125
but I remember that being on the radio a

1289
00:50:31,165 --> 00:50:32,405
sizable hit. Yeah. Um,

1290
00:50:32,625 --> 00:50:35,565
Top 40 pop hit num top five r and b hit.

1291
00:50:35,565 --> 00:50:36,725
So do I do was pretty big.

1292
00:50:36,915 --> 00:50:40,445
Yeah. And so, but that, talk about radio edits.

1293
00:50:40,445 --> 00:50:43,005
There's a Dizzy Gil Gillespie solo on there

1294
00:50:43,355 --> 00:50:44,885
that got radio edited off.

1295
00:50:44,885 --> 00:50:46,765
If you didn't have the single you

1296
00:50:46,765 --> 00:50:48,765
or the album, you didn't know anything about that.

1297
00:50:48,925 --> 00:50:51,205
'cause that never got played on my record. Yeah.

1298
00:50:51,795 --> 00:50:53,645
That never, I mean, I remember firsthand,

1299
00:50:53,845 --> 00:50:55,445
'cause I remember arguing with my sister, I was like,

1300
00:50:55,445 --> 00:50:57,725
this Gillespie's on his, she's like, no, he is not chicken.

1301
00:50:57,845 --> 00:50:59,645
I would come on the radio and then it would

1302
00:50:59,645 --> 00:51:00,805
just like fa she's like, I told you.

1303
00:51:00,845 --> 00:51:02,645
I was like, no, no. He's about to play a great soul.

1304
00:51:02,645 --> 00:51:04,685
Typical. And once we got found

1305
00:51:04,915 --> 00:51:06,085
Svia on that record even starts,

1306
00:51:06,145 --> 00:51:07,885
he even starts rapping toward the end.

1307
00:51:07,995 --> 00:51:10,885
Like he, he makes up a rap on the spot. That's right.

1308
00:51:11,075 --> 00:51:13,085
He's just riffing as that record goes on and on.

1309
00:51:13,105 --> 00:51:14,925
Oh, that's great. But then again, Stevie Wonder has a

1310
00:51:14,925 --> 00:51:17,485
history of kind of seeing how far he can push it.

1311
00:51:17,625 --> 00:51:18,685
Uh, trivia. Do you know

1312
00:51:18,685 --> 00:51:20,965
what Stevie Wonder's first Hot 100 number one hit was?

1313
00:51:23,385 --> 00:51:26,085
My, my Shere. Is It, is it Fingertips part two?

1314
00:51:26,715 --> 00:51:27,765
That is correct. Oh.

1315
00:51:27,865 --> 00:51:30,085
And I'm glad you included the part two because it's like,

1316
00:51:30,365 --> 00:51:33,045
'cause the reason why it's all, all Fingertips.

1317
00:51:33,045 --> 00:51:34,885
Part two, which is a great record, by the way. Yeah.

1318
00:51:34,885 --> 00:51:36,325
It's Stevie Wonder. Pardon my French.

1319
00:51:36,325 --> 00:51:38,605
F*****g around and refusing to get off. Yeah. It's, it's

1320
00:51:38,605 --> 00:51:40,805
Like all It is Harmonic. That's what that record

1321
00:51:40,805 --> 00:51:41,805
Is. And then him

1322
00:51:41,805 --> 00:51:42,845
playing with the crowd, they're

1323
00:51:42,845 --> 00:51:44,085
Trying to yank him off, and the band,

1324
00:51:44,085 --> 00:51:45,765
you can actually hear the band in the background.

1325
00:51:45,835 --> 00:51:46,845
Like, duh.

1326
00:51:46,875 --> 00:51:49,085
They're trying to like, okay, that's our final note. Wow.

1327
00:51:49,085 --> 00:51:50,245
Time for you to get off the stage.

1328
00:51:50,465 --> 00:51:52,165
And he starts playing his armonica again.

1329
00:51:52,165 --> 00:51:53,365
He refuses to get off the stage.

1330
00:51:53,685 --> 00:51:55,685
Stevie Wonder, he's been pushing it his whole career.

1331
00:51:55,745 --> 00:51:57,485
That's kind what he does. That's so great.

1332
00:51:57,485 --> 00:51:58,565
Chris, while we got here, I want

1333
00:51:58,565 --> 00:51:59,965
to go down a little side path here.

1334
00:52:00,025 --> 00:52:02,125
You mentioned, Hey, Jude by The Beatles.

1335
00:52:02,225 --> 00:52:04,165
So hey, Jude, not part of an album, right.

1336
00:52:04,405 --> 00:52:05,685
Released as a single only. Right.

1337
00:52:06,045 --> 00:52:07,205
Released as a single. Just before

1338
00:52:07,205 --> 00:52:08,285
The White album. Yeah, just

1339
00:52:08,285 --> 00:52:09,285
Before the White album. But

1340
00:52:09,285 --> 00:52:11,885
I, I remember growing up thinking it was either part

1341
00:52:11,885 --> 00:52:12,965
of Sergeant Pepper's of the

1342
00:52:12,965 --> 00:52:14,845
White album, but it's not part of either. It's

1343
00:52:14,905 --> 00:52:16,645
Not part of either It's something, and

1344
00:52:16,645 --> 00:52:17,645
Now you get it on a compilation. You

1345
00:52:17,645 --> 00:52:19,005
get it either on Pass Masters

1346
00:52:19,465 --> 00:52:22,165
or you get it on one, their collection

1347
00:52:22,165 --> 00:52:23,565
of number one hits or something like that.

1348
00:52:23,705 --> 00:52:24,685
But again, pass. And Oh,

1349
00:52:24,685 --> 00:52:25,725
and they built, they built an album.

1350
00:52:26,195 --> 00:52:27,925
Alan Klein built a whole album around,

1351
00:52:27,945 --> 00:52:30,725
Hey Jude called Hey Jude, that came out in like early 1970

1352
00:52:30,725 --> 00:52:33,325
that collected a bunch of their leftover singles,

1353
00:52:33,325 --> 00:52:35,445
but never on a formal album.

1354
00:52:35,865 --> 00:52:39,085
You might know, but how, how, how common was that

1355
00:52:39,225 --> 00:52:40,365
to have just like this?

1356
00:52:40,365 --> 00:52:41,405
Because that sounds very common.

1357
00:52:41,665 --> 00:52:43,245
That's a huge hit for The Beatles.

1358
00:52:43,325 --> 00:52:45,405
I think one of the first five songs you might think

1359
00:52:45,405 --> 00:52:47,045
of when you think of The Beatles for most people,

1360
00:52:47,365 --> 00:52:48,965
I mean, many of the Beatles hits,

1361
00:52:49,585 --> 00:52:51,005
um, were not on an album.

1362
00:52:51,105 --> 00:52:52,565
We Can Work It Out, was not on an album.

1363
00:52:52,665 --> 00:52:55,805
It wasn't America and America. They kind of reorganized.

1364
00:52:55,965 --> 00:52:58,045
I think it's the American version of Rubber Soul

1365
00:52:58,985 --> 00:53:00,325
to include, we can work it out.

1366
00:53:00,785 --> 00:53:03,805
But, you know, day Tripper was not, you know,

1367
00:53:03,805 --> 00:53:05,445
that was the B side of We Can Work It Out.

1368
00:53:05,785 --> 00:53:08,445
Um, she Loves You, not On Please, please Me.

1369
00:53:08,825 --> 00:53:11,085
Ah, that, that was quite common. Crazy.

1370
00:53:11,265 --> 00:53:13,605
The British record industry had a,

1371
00:53:14,165 --> 00:53:16,525
a very different ethic than the American, where

1372
00:53:17,035 --> 00:53:19,685
they actively did not want singles to be on the album.

1373
00:53:19,715 --> 00:53:22,605
They thought they were fleecing the record buying public.

1374
00:53:23,105 --> 00:53:24,685
If they put a single on an album,

1375
00:53:24,685 --> 00:53:26,765
they thought the singles were supposed to stand alone

1376
00:53:26,765 --> 00:53:28,325
and the albums were supposed to be separate.

1377
00:53:28,555 --> 00:53:31,525
Whereas the American system was more, oh,

1378
00:53:31,525 --> 00:53:33,685
we'll sell more albums if there's a hit on the album.

1379
00:53:33,875 --> 00:53:36,165
Yeah. So it was almost like a different philosophy

1380
00:53:36,165 --> 00:53:37,245
between the British and the

1381
00:53:37,725 --> 00:53:38,725
American Recordation. So all

1382
00:53:38,725 --> 00:53:40,605
these, all these like British invasion bands probably

1383
00:53:40,605 --> 00:53:41,565
have huge hits that were never

1384
00:53:41,565 --> 00:53:42,685
on an album over there for this.

1385
00:53:42,685 --> 00:53:43,765
Never on an album. Yeah.

1386
00:53:43,835 --> 00:53:45,325
That was quite common. Yeah. Yeah.

1387
00:53:45,585 --> 00:53:49,685
So speaking of that, like how, how would this, uh, songs

1388
00:53:49,685 --> 00:53:52,765
of the Key of Life, if at all, been treated differently

1389
00:53:52,905 --> 00:53:53,925
for the UK market?

1390
00:53:53,925 --> 00:53:55,525
Because I know a lot of times we talk about the US

1391
00:53:55,985 --> 00:53:57,685
and then we'll talk about the, the UK

1392
00:53:57,785 --> 00:53:59,765
and then maybe like France, Germany, Spain or something.

1393
00:53:59,765 --> 00:54:01,765
But then it's kind of like rest of the world, maybe Japan.

1394
00:54:02,345 --> 00:54:05,085
And I know Stevie's always been huge in the Japanese market,

1395
00:54:05,425 --> 00:54:08,005
but specifically for, for UK or anywhere else in the world.

1396
00:54:08,005 --> 00:54:09,965
Like, how would this have been treated differently

1397
00:54:09,995 --> 00:54:12,565
with these signals, uh, uh, singles

1398
00:54:13,025 --> 00:54:14,765
and with just radio airplay at that time?

1399
00:54:14,765 --> 00:54:15,805
Like how it was different?

1400
00:54:16,645 --> 00:54:18,645
I mean, what's different about the UK charts compared

1401
00:54:18,645 --> 00:54:20,925
to the US charts is that the UK charts for most

1402
00:54:20,925 --> 00:54:22,925
of their history have been exclusively sales,

1403
00:54:23,065 --> 00:54:24,085
no radio airplay.

1404
00:54:24,085 --> 00:54:26,805
Mm-hmm. Especially in England, where they have the BBC.

1405
00:54:26,805 --> 00:54:29,125
And so the, the BBC is kind of a public trust.

1406
00:54:29,345 --> 00:54:30,845
It would be weird for the BBC

1407
00:54:30,845 --> 00:54:32,565
to be factored into their charts.

1408
00:54:32,825 --> 00:54:36,405
So the charts were always, you know, just, uh, sales.

1409
00:54:36,545 --> 00:54:39,685
And now they are mostly streaming Yeah. These days.

1410
00:54:40,225 --> 00:54:44,245
Um, but no, I mean, by the seventies, both the US

1411
00:54:44,345 --> 00:54:46,965
and the UK were, you know,

1412
00:54:46,965 --> 00:54:49,005
generally pulling singles from albums.

1413
00:54:49,195 --> 00:54:51,445
It's just that in the uk sometimes you'd pick a different

1414
00:54:51,445 --> 00:54:53,085
single from the album.

1415
00:54:53,385 --> 00:54:56,165
Um, I, I haven't checked, actually, if you gimme a minute,

1416
00:54:56,285 --> 00:54:58,325
I can, I can check my British Chart book

1417
00:54:58,325 --> 00:54:59,605
and see if they picked different singles.

1418
00:54:59,645 --> 00:55:00,805
I don't know if they did. Yeah.

1419
00:55:01,085 --> 00:55:03,325
Honestly, uh, it looks like there were only three

1420
00:55:04,595 --> 00:55:06,645
singles from Songs in the Key of Life.

1421
00:55:06,925 --> 00:55:10,565
I wish went to number five, sir Duke went to number two.

1422
00:55:10,825 --> 00:55:14,965
UK and another star went to number 29 uk.

1423
00:55:15,865 --> 00:55:18,165
And then we jumped to Send One Your Love,

1424
00:55:18,165 --> 00:55:20,245
which is from Journey Through the Secret Life of Plants.

1425
00:55:20,245 --> 00:55:22,525
Yeah. So, so unless they went back

1426
00:55:22,525 --> 00:55:26,165
and re-released as later, what's interesting

1427
00:55:26,165 --> 00:55:30,685
to me about them not releasing as, um, in Britain,

1428
00:55:31,265 --> 00:55:33,605
uh, back in 76, 77 is that,

1429
00:55:33,835 --> 00:55:37,525
that was later a big hit in a cover by George Michael

1430
00:55:37,545 --> 00:55:39,605
and Mary j Blige in the late nineties.

1431
00:55:39,635 --> 00:55:42,925
Yeah. And that version was probably one

1432
00:55:42,925 --> 00:55:45,885
of the first versions to be a British hit. Um,

1433
00:55:46,025 --> 00:55:47,025
So interesting.

1434
00:55:47,265 --> 00:55:49,125
As had a Renaissance in the late nineties there,

1435
00:55:49,125 --> 00:55:51,245
I think it was a part of a, of a movie soundtrack.

1436
00:55:51,245 --> 00:55:54,685
I'm gonna forget which one. Mm-hmm. Um, the Best Man Maybe.

1437
00:55:54,745 --> 00:55:55,765
Do you remember that movie? Yeah.

1438
00:55:55,765 --> 00:55:57,325
Could have been something like that. Um,

1439
00:55:57,625 --> 00:56:00,245
before we get to the next couple singles though, guys, I,

1440
00:56:00,365 --> 00:56:03,725
I do want to just give a little bit of a shout out to one

1441
00:56:03,725 --> 00:56:05,245
of the songs on this album that, again,

1442
00:56:05,345 --> 00:56:06,605
wasn't released as a single.

1443
00:56:06,885 --> 00:56:08,765
I don't, of course it wasn't a hit then.

1444
00:56:09,345 --> 00:56:11,205
Um, but is sort

1445
00:56:11,205 --> 00:56:14,205
of become the jazz musician's standard off this

1446
00:56:14,205 --> 00:56:15,365
album, and it's this song

1447
00:56:21,985 --> 00:56:26,725
If it's Then why can't

1448
00:56:26,825 --> 00:56:28,925
it be everlasting?

1449
00:56:32,595 --> 00:56:35,325
Like the Sun that always shines,

1450
00:56:39,195 --> 00:56:40,085
like the poet,

1451
00:56:45,755 --> 00:56:47,045
like the Galaxies

1452
00:56:48,285 --> 00:56:49,445
Stevie and Dorothy Ashby.

1453
00:56:49,475 --> 00:56:51,725
Yeah. Um, you know, it's funny. I was

1454
00:56:51,725 --> 00:56:53,165
Gonna say, that's gotta be a real harp there.

1455
00:56:53,345 --> 00:56:56,085
Yes. That's, that's Dorothy Ashby who has an incredible

1456
00:56:56,665 --> 00:56:57,665
Legend.

1457
00:56:59,275 --> 00:57:00,365
This is called, uh,

1458
00:57:00,365 --> 00:57:04,445
soul Variations from her Afro Harp album of 1970, I think.

1459
00:57:04,615 --> 00:57:06,885
69. Amazing.

1460
00:57:07,065 --> 00:57:09,605
She has an amazing string of soul harp albums.

1461
00:57:10,885 --> 00:57:12,005
I knew none of this. This is,

1462
00:57:12,005 --> 00:57:13,685
you're educating me on this. This is cool.

1463
00:57:14,545 --> 00:57:16,165
Is that a, uh, Is there a billboard

1464
00:57:16,165 --> 00:57:19,125
Section for the Afro Harp? I don't chart.

1465
00:57:19,305 --> 00:57:21,605
No. Pretty sure there has never been such a chart.

1466
00:57:21,795 --> 00:57:23,285
Well, no. So He would be at the top

1467
00:57:23,425 --> 00:57:24,325
The last time we talked About

1468
00:57:24,325 --> 00:57:24,965
every Should be at the top.

1469
00:57:24,995 --> 00:57:26,805
Yeah. The last time we, I just wanna shout out our,

1470
00:57:26,905 --> 00:57:28,005
our dear listeners here.

1471
00:57:28,005 --> 00:57:29,805
You'll hear podcast because the last time we talked about if

1472
00:57:29,805 --> 00:57:30,885
it's Magic, I said, I don't

1473
00:57:30,885 --> 00:57:31,925
know, I'm not sure who's on the harp.

1474
00:57:31,925 --> 00:57:33,285
And we got a ton of comments like,

1475
00:57:33,285 --> 00:57:35,045
Dorothy Ashby, go look her up.

1476
00:57:35,465 --> 00:57:36,565
And they were not wrong.

1477
00:57:36,725 --> 00:57:38,805
Everybody should go spend an evening

1478
00:57:38,805 --> 00:57:40,685
or two with got the Ashby's catalog.

1479
00:57:41,005 --> 00:57:43,525
'cause it is so funky and so soulful

1480
00:57:43,525 --> 00:57:44,765
and she's an incredible player.

1481
00:57:44,915 --> 00:57:47,525
Yeah. Um, but if it's magic is an interesting one.

1482
00:57:47,525 --> 00:57:48,525
You were playing a little bit of it.

1483
00:57:48,555 --> 00:57:50,325
Well, I've just realized I never thought about this

1484
00:57:50,325 --> 00:57:51,805
pentatonic again, that whole melody,

1485
00:57:52,065 --> 00:57:53,005
the whole melody is a major

1486
00:57:53,005 --> 00:57:55,045
pentatonic this time instead of minor. But the

1487
00:57:55,045 --> 00:57:56,205
Form of it, the chord changes

1488
00:57:56,305 --> 00:57:58,285
and everything feel very much like a

1489
00:57:58,285 --> 00:57:59,485
modern jazz composition.

1490
00:57:59,555 --> 00:58:02,165
Like it feel, I think this is why jazz musicians have

1491
00:58:02,165 --> 00:58:03,925
interpreted it in a bunch of different ways.

1492
00:58:03,925 --> 00:58:05,205
Yeah. Not just as like a ballad.

1493
00:58:05,205 --> 00:58:06,765
Like you might think of just a pianist

1494
00:58:06,765 --> 00:58:08,445
or a guitarist playing it, which we've heard who's

1495
00:58:08,445 --> 00:58:09,445
Played with it. I, I wasn't aware

1496
00:58:09,445 --> 00:58:10,725
of that. That's really cool. And, and

1497
00:58:10,725 --> 00:58:13,565
It's basically, it's, it's kind of jazz.

1498
00:58:13,715 --> 00:58:14,965
Like not what we were talking about

1499
00:58:14,965 --> 00:58:18,405
before in terms of like the rhythm or the walking baseline.

1500
00:58:18,635 --> 00:58:21,525
This is almost like American, great American songbook type

1501
00:58:21,525 --> 00:58:22,805
of melody and chord changes

1502
00:58:23,095 --> 00:58:25,365
where jazz players take it and then stretch it up.

1503
00:58:25,365 --> 00:58:26,645
Got that two dominant singer songwriter

1504
00:58:26,865 --> 00:58:29,165
To the five, you know, it's very, very rich for us.

1505
00:58:30,435 --> 00:58:31,685
Yeah. It's, it's just,

1506
00:58:31,955 --> 00:58:35,365
it's everything we love about Stevie's Harmonic geniuses in,

1507
00:58:35,705 --> 00:58:36,725
if it's magic and

1508
00:58:36,945 --> 00:58:38,965
All the things that kept it from being a single, that's,

1509
00:58:39,345 --> 00:58:42,325
You're probably right. So I, I mean,

1510
00:58:42,325 --> 00:58:43,125
That would've, even for

1511
00:58:43,245 --> 00:58:44,325
Stevie, that would've been a tough song.

1512
00:58:44,505 --> 00:58:45,505
It Would've been a Tough song Radio in

1513
00:58:45,505 --> 00:58:46,445
1977. I guess

1514
00:58:46,445 --> 00:58:48,565
He technically with his great, like, you know, the,

1515
00:58:48,565 --> 00:58:50,725
the greatest artist driven contract ever

1516
00:58:50,725 --> 00:58:52,645
signed with for control.

1517
00:58:52,745 --> 00:58:54,645
He probably could have done it, but yeah, he

1518
00:58:54,805 --> 00:58:55,805
Probably could have. But yeah, even

1519
00:58:55,805 --> 00:58:57,005
he's not gonna try that.

1520
00:58:57,545 --> 00:58:58,805
So, Chris, correct me if I'm wrong,

1521
00:58:58,805 --> 00:58:59,885
but I believe the next single

1522
00:58:59,885 --> 00:59:02,285
that was released in the US was another star. Oh, sorry.

1523
00:59:02,285 --> 00:59:03,925
Before we move on, after, sorry. Look at him.

1524
00:59:03,995 --> 00:59:06,045
He's he's catching a wave again. He's catching a away.

1525
00:59:06,285 --> 00:59:08,205
No, I just, before we leave, if it's magic,

1526
00:59:08,285 --> 00:59:11,125
I wanna fill this in there because I got a chance to see,

1527
00:59:11,185 --> 00:59:12,965
so Stevie did a tour about eight

1528
00:59:12,985 --> 00:59:14,925
or nine years ago that went on

1529
00:59:14,925 --> 00:59:16,925
for like a year Worldwide tour, kind of on

1530
00:59:16,925 --> 00:59:19,085
and off again called songs in The Key

1531
00:59:19,085 --> 00:59:21,885
of Life in which he performed this entire

1532
00:59:21,895 --> 00:59:23,205
album without intermission.

1533
00:59:23,405 --> 00:59:24,765
I saw that tour. Yeah. Oh, you saw it?

1534
00:59:24,765 --> 00:59:26,605
When did you see it? Yeah, I saw it in the mid

1535
00:59:26,795 --> 00:59:28,805
tens, like 2014. I wanna say something

1536
00:59:28,805 --> 00:59:29,805
Like that. I think so. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

1537
00:59:29,805 --> 00:59:30,885
Um, I saw it here.

1538
00:59:31,125 --> 00:59:32,645
I saw that tour. I saw it at Madison Square Garden.

1539
00:59:32,965 --> 00:59:34,485
I saw it here at the Enterprise Center.

1540
00:59:34,505 --> 00:59:36,925
And it was incredible. But I remember when it got to,

1541
00:59:36,925 --> 00:59:39,835
if it's magic, that was,

1542
00:59:40,035 --> 00:59:42,555
although obviously one of the lesser known things except

1543
00:59:42,555 --> 00:59:45,515
for the Seven Jazz musicians in the audience, that was one

1544
00:59:45,515 --> 00:59:48,315
of the, like, that's when I realized, so there was,

1545
00:59:48,315 --> 00:59:50,395
there was more than seven people at that show

1546
00:59:51,145 --> 00:59:54,115
that loved this entire album.

1547
00:59:54,655 --> 00:59:56,435
And when it got to that track, that was one

1548
00:59:56,435 --> 00:59:58,635
of the most stunning moments, at least of this show.

1549
00:59:58,675 --> 01:00:00,395
I mean, Stevie just killed it.

1550
01:00:00,435 --> 01:00:02,195
I mean, it was, well, like two thirds of the way in.

1551
01:00:02,275 --> 01:00:03,915
'cause he was doing it in the order of the, the record.

1552
01:00:04,375 --> 01:00:06,915
But emotionally, it was one of the most moving parts.

1553
01:00:06,935 --> 01:00:08,075
And people were like on, I mean,

1554
01:00:08,075 --> 01:00:09,235
people were on their feet, the whole show.

1555
01:00:09,535 --> 01:00:11,995
But I remember that was kind of an apex moment of the show.

1556
01:00:12,175 --> 01:00:14,035
So just to show that, like,

1557
01:00:14,035 --> 01:00:15,475
this was not people coming out. I forget,

1558
01:00:15,475 --> 01:00:17,435
Did he, did he bring out a harpist for that?

1559
01:00:17,655 --> 01:00:19,475
He didn't. Here, I've seen him do it with Harp

1560
01:00:19,475 --> 01:00:21,995
before when he had the whole orchestra here, he did it Wiki.

1561
01:00:21,995 --> 01:00:24,155
Okay. He actually accompanied himself at it on it.

1562
01:00:25,025 --> 01:00:26,035
Very Cool. Wow. That's amazing.

1563
01:00:27,295 --> 01:00:29,395
Um, so the next single released

1564
01:00:29,565 --> 01:00:32,475
after I wish would be another star. Is that correct?

1565
01:00:32,575 --> 01:00:34,835
Or, or after Sudu, because I wish

1566
01:00:35,125 --> 01:00:36,315
After Sudu Sudu

1567
01:00:36,455 --> 01:00:39,155
and then, yeah, then Summer of 77, it's another star,

1568
01:00:39,725 --> 01:00:41,515
which doesn't chart as high,

1569
01:00:41,575 --> 01:00:43,675
but, um, cracks the top 40,

1570
01:00:44,125 --> 01:00:46,075
makes the top 20 on the RB chart.

1571
01:00:46,195 --> 01:00:48,355
I think it got as high as number 18 on the RB chart.

1572
01:00:48,815 --> 01:00:50,755
Um, just such a funky groove. It's

1573
01:00:50,755 --> 01:00:51,715
An interesting track. Right.

1574
01:00:52,145 --> 01:00:54,595
It's almost a Latin track as far as I'm concerned.

1575
01:00:54,815 --> 01:00:59,035
You know, like it's, it's Stevie doing something akin to

1576
01:00:59,035 --> 01:01:00,275
what he's doing on Innervisions

1577
01:01:00,275 --> 01:01:01,595
with Don't You Worry about a thing?

1578
01:01:01,695 --> 01:01:03,555
Yes. Uh, but in a but in a different

1579
01:01:03,865 --> 01:01:04,865
Vibe. Yeah. The mood, the mood is

1580
01:01:04,865 --> 01:01:05,555
different. Yep.

1581
01:01:14,035 --> 01:01:16,235
I mean, yeah, listen to that piano Tuo

1582
01:01:29,105 --> 01:01:29,395
That

1583
01:01:37,025 --> 01:01:38,025
Okay. I think I'm

1584
01:01:38,025 --> 01:01:39,435
finally understanding why,

1585
01:01:39,435 --> 01:01:41,555
because I was like, why would this have been one out

1586
01:01:41,555 --> 01:01:43,955
of all the songs on here, one of the singles, I'm,

1587
01:01:43,975 --> 01:01:48,675
I'm thinking 1977, you know, variety shows on a, B,

1588
01:01:48,835 --> 01:01:50,195
c like this.

1589
01:01:50,195 --> 01:01:52,595
Totally. Like this is such, this is probably the closest

1590
01:01:52,695 --> 01:01:54,515
to the sound of 1977.

1591
01:01:54,945 --> 01:01:57,195
It's, couldn't you see it on a TV show? Yeah, yeah.

1592
01:01:57,195 --> 01:01:58,475
The opening credits of a TV

1593
01:01:58,475 --> 01:01:59,595
Show, the Osmond's Introduction,

1594
01:01:59,615 --> 01:02:01,395
the share show share. Exactly.

1595
01:02:01,665 --> 01:02:03,435
Yeah. Um, just a shout out here

1596
01:02:03,435 --> 01:02:05,915
to George Benson playing guitar and bvs on this track.

1597
01:02:06,135 --> 01:02:08,195
Yep. Which I did not realize. Yeah. Incredible.

1598
01:02:08,555 --> 01:02:10,155
I didn't, I didn't realize that was George Benson.

1599
01:02:10,155 --> 01:02:12,395
That's but it, but appropriate, right? Yeah.

1600
01:02:12,395 --> 01:02:14,635
I mean, it makes sense. Makes sense. Totally adds up.

1601
01:02:15,175 --> 01:02:17,275
Um, when I think of another star, uh,

1602
01:02:17,755 --> 01:02:19,485
I don't know if you guys saw in,

1603
01:02:19,725 --> 01:02:23,925
I guess it was 2014 when Daft Punk won the album

1604
01:02:23,945 --> 01:02:26,085
of the year Grammy with random access memories.

1605
01:02:26,625 --> 01:02:29,565
And they, uh, did a medley of, uh, get Lucky.

1606
01:02:30,195 --> 01:02:32,565
They included Stevie's, another star.

1607
01:02:32,805 --> 01:02:35,925
Stevie was on stage with Daft Punk and Pharrell

1608
01:02:36,385 --> 01:02:37,565
and Nile Rogers.

1609
01:02:37,745 --> 01:02:40,005
And they, they actually threw another star in there

1610
01:02:40,025 --> 01:02:41,885
and it sounded amazing.

1611
01:02:42,145 --> 01:02:44,845
Wow. Uh, yeah. So that, that's something to go back

1612
01:02:44,845 --> 01:02:45,845
To. You know what, I

1613
01:02:45,845 --> 01:02:47,005
wouldn't put it together,

1614
01:02:47,105 --> 01:02:49,885
but there are some similarities.

1615
01:02:49,885 --> 01:02:52,005
Yeah. Right. The sort of feel of the chord progression.

1616
01:02:52,035 --> 01:02:53,165
Obviously the tempo,

1617
01:02:54,785 --> 01:02:57,445
The, the chord progression on Get Lucky is one

1618
01:02:57,445 --> 01:02:59,765
of my favorite chord progressions in the last 20 years.

1619
01:02:59,835 --> 01:03:01,205
Just, it's so irresistible.

1620
01:03:03,395 --> 01:03:04,685
When are we gonna do the ra Random

1621
01:03:04,685 --> 01:03:05,925
Access Memories Pod Pete?

1622
01:03:06,155 --> 01:03:08,925
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Let's go. It's coming man.

1623
01:03:09,715 --> 01:03:12,965
Alright. The final single that was released in the US is,

1624
01:03:13,705 --> 01:03:14,965
um, the best

1625
01:03:14,965 --> 01:03:15,965
One as, Sorry. It's,

1626
01:03:15,965 --> 01:03:18,045
it's an incredible, it's an incredible word for

1627
01:03:18,245 --> 01:03:19,245
I agree. I

1628
01:03:19,245 --> 01:03:21,685
actually agree. God, there are days when,

1629
01:03:21,685 --> 01:03:24,245
as is my favorite Stevie Wonder song of all

1630
01:03:24,245 --> 01:03:26,685
Time, 100% Chris, which is saying saying a lot.

1631
01:03:26,685 --> 01:03:27,925
Saying a lot. Yeah. But it's true.

1632
01:03:27,985 --> 01:03:29,445
It is, it is an incredible song.

1633
01:03:29,825 --> 01:03:31,845
Uh, features, uh, friend of the show,

1634
01:03:32,385 --> 01:03:34,045
Herbie Hancock, is he a friend of the show?

1635
01:03:34,075 --> 01:03:36,165
Well, we're trying, if I'm talk about, if I'm not trying

1636
01:03:36,165 --> 01:03:38,045
to manifest it, Pete, he's

1637
01:03:38,045 --> 01:03:39,045
Yeah. Um,

1638
01:03:39,045 --> 01:03:42,125
what the show is a friend of Herbie. Right.

1639
01:03:42,825 --> 01:03:44,885
Should be. I mean, if there's any two people

1640
01:03:44,885 --> 01:03:46,045
that this show is the, oh,

1641
01:03:46,105 --> 01:03:47,165
I'm actually, I'm gonna say three.

1642
01:03:47,505 --> 01:03:49,485
Uh, well now Chris, we gotta add Chris to the list,

1643
01:03:49,705 --> 01:03:52,645
but Herbie Hancock, Stevie Wonder, Greg Filling Gates.

1644
01:03:52,645 --> 01:03:54,445
Yeah. And those, that's becoming like the Trinity

1645
01:03:54,595 --> 01:03:56,125
because they're like the one

1646
01:03:56,125 --> 01:03:57,405
of those is connected to almost everyth

1647
01:03:57,405 --> 01:03:59,045
DeAngelo DeAngelo for

1648
01:03:59,045 --> 01:04:00,045
Sure. Yeah. But as

1649
01:04:00,045 --> 01:04:02,845
is is, again,

1650
01:04:03,805 --> 01:04:04,845
I don't even know how to describe it.

1651
01:04:04,845 --> 01:04:05,645
Let's just listen to it. Yeah.

1652
01:04:09,715 --> 01:04:12,125
Like, what I love about this song is the way

1653
01:04:12,125 --> 01:04:14,325
that it starts is not how it ends.

1654
01:04:14,855 --> 01:04:16,805
Right. Right. It's like the, the the hook

1655
01:04:17,305 --> 01:04:19,765
and the verse are so different.

1656
01:04:21,835 --> 01:04:22,835
This is some,

1657
01:04:23,905 --> 01:04:25,205
Do you know what reminds me of a little bit?

1658
01:04:25,235 --> 01:04:29,405
When we get to the Big Build in a few seconds, another song

1659
01:04:29,605 --> 01:04:31,805
that was a number one hit in 1977, um,

1660
01:04:32,415 --> 01:04:35,645
don't Leave Me This Way by Thelma Houston in a similar way,

1661
01:04:35,645 --> 01:04:37,285
the way it's basically using gospel,

1662
01:04:38,425 --> 01:04:39,685
but in an r and b context.

1663
01:04:39,835 --> 01:04:41,565
Yeah, yeah. Different, different records.

1664
01:04:41,565 --> 01:04:43,445
Because I mean, as is not a disco record,

1665
01:04:43,445 --> 01:04:44,885
whereas Don't Leave Me This way, is

1666
01:04:44,885 --> 01:04:48,645
but similar idea, like how, what can we do with gospel?

1667
01:04:49,025 --> 01:04:52,165
How can we raise the roof right at this inspiring moment?

1668
01:04:52,345 --> 01:04:53,345
Mm.

1669
01:05:09,705 --> 01:05:12,805
Should we go right to the bridge? Wait outta nowhere,

1670
01:05:14,505 --> 01:05:15,505
Man. First of all,

1671
01:05:15,505 --> 01:05:16,805
one of the greatest.

1672
01:05:16,945 --> 01:05:19,485
The second, the second verse. Tritone substitutions ever

1673
01:05:19,485 --> 01:05:21,205
laid down in music, Pete, holy

1674
01:05:21,205 --> 01:05:22,205
S**t. If we're gonna, if we're

1675
01:05:22,205 --> 01:05:22,845
gonna nerd out

1676
01:05:23,425 --> 01:05:25,405
And you're gonna please nerd out on that,

1677
01:05:25,405 --> 01:05:26,525
because that moment at the start

1678
01:05:26,525 --> 01:05:27,645
of the second verse is almost

1679
01:05:27,645 --> 01:05:29,645
my favorite moment on the whole record. Oh, it's

1680
01:05:29,645 --> 01:05:30,645
So great. If you're gonna, if you're

1681
01:05:30,645 --> 01:05:31,685
gonna call out the tritone

1682
01:05:31,685 --> 01:05:32,765
sub Pete, you gotta explain.

1683
01:05:32,765 --> 01:05:33,885
I think it's Tri It is.

1684
01:05:35,585 --> 01:05:36,845
And oh, another thing, Chris,

1685
01:05:36,845 --> 01:05:38,325
you've probably come across this before.

1686
01:05:38,805 --> 01:05:41,485
Stevie Wonder famously writes everything in

1687
01:05:41,505 --> 01:05:42,725
the very hardest keys.

1688
01:05:42,755 --> 01:05:45,205
This is in B major. Um, Jesus.

1689
01:05:45,585 --> 01:05:47,805
Um, I wish isn't bad. Um,

1690
01:05:48,365 --> 01:05:49,365
I wish this an E flat minor. This

1691
01:05:49,365 --> 01:05:50,365
is a lot of E flat minor

1692
01:05:50,925 --> 01:05:52,365
B, major lot B Major.

1693
01:05:52,885 --> 01:05:53,725
I mean, these are some of the hardest,

1694
01:05:54,105 --> 01:05:55,285
uh, keys for any instrument.

1695
01:05:55,585 --> 01:05:57,885
You are the sunshine as B major as well. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1696
01:05:57,945 --> 01:05:59,325
So explain the tritone sub.

1697
01:06:00,825 --> 01:06:05,325
So it's basically, he goes down to the four,

1698
01:06:05,455 --> 01:06:08,085
which is like somewhat common to start the second verse.

1699
01:06:08,145 --> 01:06:09,885
Is that the second verse Is that transition?

1700
01:06:09,955 --> 01:06:11,085
It's like a bridge's the second verse.

1701
01:06:11,155 --> 01:06:12,245
It's the start of the second verse.

1702
01:06:12,375 --> 01:06:16,125
Start of the second verse. And so like the one chord

1703
01:06:16,705 --> 01:06:19,845
you could, it could become the five, which kind of leads to,

1704
01:06:20,065 --> 01:06:21,125
to where we're going here.

1705
01:06:21,505 --> 01:06:25,605
But he goes, but he's got, well play it again.

1706
01:06:25,605 --> 01:06:26,965
Let figure out the exact voicing.

1707
01:06:26,965 --> 01:06:28,445
This is stuff we normally do when we prepared,

1708
01:06:28,465 --> 01:06:29,845
but we're unprepared, but

1709
01:06:37,835 --> 01:06:38,835
Okay. Wait, pause

1710
01:06:38,835 --> 01:06:40,765
right there. So this is another thing.

1711
01:06:40,765 --> 01:06:42,485
This kind of bridges some things together

1712
01:06:42,485 --> 01:06:46,685
that he's no pun intended, um, that he's doing on I wish.

1713
01:06:46,685 --> 01:06:49,045
So we've got, we're going from the major

1714
01:06:49,065 --> 01:06:50,125
to the relative minor.

1715
01:06:53,905 --> 01:06:55,765
And it's like going up to the for kind of like

1716
01:06:57,075 --> 01:06:58,075
Yeah. It's very similar to

1717
01:06:58,075 --> 01:06:58,405
the Irish

1718
01:06:58,515 --> 01:06:59,515
Very church. Right.

1719
01:06:59,515 --> 01:07:00,405
Interesting. From a stand.

1720
01:07:00,605 --> 01:07:01,765
I never noticed that before. Yeah.

1721
01:07:01,765 --> 01:07:03,605
The groove on this, this is like probably the most R

1722
01:07:03,605 --> 01:07:07,245
and bish kind of, of, of, of, of anything on this record.

1723
01:07:07,245 --> 01:07:10,245
But, but like gospel and then like very much blues

1724
01:07:10,245 --> 01:07:10,645
and church

1725
01:07:15,155 --> 01:07:15,845
keep playing it.

1726
01:07:31,425 --> 01:07:32,445
Oh, this is the third verse.

1727
01:07:33,195 --> 01:07:34,685
Yeah, I think that's later. That's the third verse.

1728
01:07:34,985 --> 01:07:35,845
My bad. I,

1729
01:07:54,865 --> 01:07:55,865
So yeah, he's going.

1730
01:07:57,985 --> 01:08:00,645
So it's like an F seven sharp nine going go E major

1731
01:08:00,655 --> 01:08:01,685
going to the E major.

1732
01:08:02,035 --> 01:08:03,245
It's a very like

1733
01:08:03,985 --> 01:08:04,985
To the for court, Right?

1734
01:08:05,065 --> 01:08:06,205
Oh. But it's just like, yeah.

1735
01:08:06,565 --> 01:08:07,845
'cause the typical thing would've been just,

1736
01:08:15,435 --> 01:08:18,285
Just before we even get into the tritone substitution.

1737
01:08:18,285 --> 01:08:19,525
Yeah. Which is the nerdiest bit of this,

1738
01:08:19,545 --> 01:08:21,325
the typical thing would've been to go back

1739
01:08:21,325 --> 01:08:23,725
to the actual verse chord progression.

1740
01:08:23,725 --> 01:08:25,125
Right. Which is be major. Oh,

1741
01:08:25,125 --> 01:08:26,165
That's true. Yeah. He goes to the for,

1742
01:08:26,425 --> 01:08:27,845
So this is almost like form wise,

1743
01:08:27,845 --> 01:08:29,485
this is almost a little bridge that happens

1744
01:08:29,485 --> 01:08:30,805
where he goes to the for chord

1745
01:08:31,425 --> 01:08:33,125
To bring him back to The melody's different.

1746
01:08:33,305 --> 01:08:34,525
And so hitting that,

1747
01:08:34,785 --> 01:08:36,605
The melody's different and the cadence is different.

1748
01:08:36,605 --> 01:08:39,205
Right. Because what's the first line of the first verses as

1749
01:08:39,205 --> 01:08:41,725
around the sun, the earth knows she's revolving.

1750
01:08:41,725 --> 01:08:43,925
Right. And then all of a sudden when he comes back, he goes,

1751
01:08:43,945 --> 01:08:46,285
you know, did you know the true love asks for nothing?

1752
01:08:46,315 --> 01:08:47,965
Yeah. He's not doing the same

1753
01:08:47,965 --> 01:08:49,245
cadence he did on the first verse.

1754
01:08:49,245 --> 01:08:50,805
Yeah. That's what blows my mind. It's

1755
01:08:50,805 --> 01:08:51,805
A, it's an, it's a middle eight.

1756
01:08:51,965 --> 01:08:54,245
It's a bridge that happens after the first chorus

1757
01:08:54,345 --> 01:08:55,485
and then after this happens.

1758
01:09:00,465 --> 01:09:00,885
You're

1759
01:09:00,885 --> 01:09:01,885
Right, it's a bridge four.

1760
01:09:01,995 --> 01:09:04,605
It's a bridge that is functioning as wi. That's

1761
01:09:04,605 --> 01:09:05,605
It. The two.

1762
01:09:05,605 --> 01:09:06,025

1763
01:09:08,465 --> 01:09:09,465
Now Back to the verse.

1764
01:09:11,025 --> 01:09:15,285
Now at the one. Oh,

1765
01:09:15,285 --> 01:09:16,445
we got Peter Hancock here.

1766
01:09:18,315 --> 01:09:21,125
Nice. Herbie's playing his

1767
01:09:21,185 --> 01:09:22,645
ass off through all this, by the way. Oh, I know.

1768
01:09:22,645 --> 01:09:25,205
And he's busy. Is af I'm, I love that.

1769
01:09:25,205 --> 01:09:27,325
Like Stevie or some producer or something.

1770
01:09:27,325 --> 01:09:29,165
Well, Stevie was produ. It's like, is insane.

1771
01:09:29,165 --> 01:09:31,365
Like, I don't know. Wait till later you'll get your soul.

1772
01:09:31,595 --> 01:09:34,885
Like, like Herbie starts out this track soloing,

1773
01:09:35,075 --> 01:09:37,885
like he establishes himself with that boot booo thing.

1774
01:09:37,915 --> 01:09:39,205
Like that's the way the thing starts.

1775
01:09:39,905 --> 01:09:41,365
And like, you know, just studying.

1776
01:09:41,915 --> 01:09:43,205
Yeah. Yeah.

1777
01:09:43,505 --> 01:09:45,525
So that's Herbie with those first few notes. Yeah.

1778
01:09:45,525 --> 01:09:47,965
Yeah. Herbie's all over that electric piano sound there.

1779
01:09:48,115 --> 01:09:51,225
Look, he's already, he's already doodling. Noodling.

1780
01:09:53,545 --> 01:09:54,505
I mean, the noodling is

1781
01:09:54,505 --> 01:09:55,625
part of what makes the record great.

1782
01:09:55,625 --> 01:09:58,825
Yeah, exactly. And Rose robots know the blooming me.

1783
01:10:00,695 --> 01:10:02,385
It's this hate knows, love the cure.

1784
01:10:03,485 --> 01:10:05,385
And that's very her kind of stuff to play.

1785
01:10:07,805 --> 01:10:10,145
Can you guys hear the difference between Herbie's style

1786
01:10:10,165 --> 01:10:12,705
of play versus what Stevie's doing on the rest of the album?

1787
01:10:12,925 --> 01:10:14,945
For sure. It's isn't, it's more noodling.

1788
01:10:15,375 --> 01:10:16,665
Yeah. And it's more like,

1789
01:10:20,375 --> 01:10:22,785
like it's kind of like, it's

1790
01:10:22,785 --> 01:10:23,985
More jazzy. It's

1791
01:10:23,985 --> 01:10:24,985
More jazzy. It's more obvious

1792
01:10:24,985 --> 01:10:26,025
About like

1793
01:10:26,025 --> 01:10:27,705
that's a real Herbie doing those octas.

1794
01:10:27,735 --> 01:10:30,065
Yeah. The thing nowadays, you hear like every pianist,

1795
01:10:30,065 --> 01:10:33,745
Robert Glassberg, Adam Manis, everybody imitates that now.

1796
01:10:34,095 --> 01:10:35,985
This little thing, there's a bunch of Herbies

1797
01:10:36,295 --> 01:10:36,905
Herbies. Yeah.

1798
01:10:37,655 --> 01:10:39,585
True. That's Herbie. That's

1799
01:10:39,585 --> 01:10:40,425
A Herbie. It's

1800
01:10:40,425 --> 01:10:42,065
Just his language all over this.

1801
01:10:42,455 --> 01:10:43,455
Yeah.

1802
01:10:43,765 --> 01:10:45,065
See, this is why I'm glad I'm here.

1803
01:10:45,065 --> 01:10:46,145
You guys are explaining this to me.

1804
01:10:46,265 --> 01:10:47,585
I didn't, I never noticed this. And then if

1805
01:10:47,585 --> 01:10:49,625
We went to your point earlier about like starting

1806
01:10:49,625 --> 01:10:52,145
to raise the roof this first time, this is it. Yeah.

1807
01:10:52,215 --> 01:10:54,505
This lift, I call this the liftoff. Yes.

1808
01:10:54,505 --> 01:10:55,945
Ah, this is why I'm comparing it

1809
01:10:55,945 --> 01:10:57,665
to Don't leave me this way by Thelma Houston.

1810
01:10:57,935 --> 01:11:01,865
Yeah. You know, like, Aw baby, my love is Phil.

1811
01:11:02,055 --> 01:11:03,545
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Deza you,

1812
01:11:03,735 --> 01:11:06,905
it's a similar then till the day suddenly it's like

1813
01:11:06,905 --> 01:11:08,425
the, the roof is raised. That's right.

1814
01:11:08,845 --> 01:11:10,545
And the way he does It, it achieves

1815
01:11:10,545 --> 01:11:11,825
escape velocity. Yeah.

1816
01:11:11,885 --> 01:11:13,725
And going into that to the,

1817
01:11:13,955 --> 01:11:16,685
this is almost like foreshadowing to the big roof raising,

1818
01:11:16,685 --> 01:11:19,045
which is the whole ending part when they're vamping

1819
01:11:19,265 --> 01:11:20,285
and they really go.

1820
01:11:20,285 --> 01:11:21,645
Yes. So like with the for,

1821
01:11:21,645 --> 01:11:22,965
and then he pulls it back to this sort

1822
01:11:22,965 --> 01:11:24,165
of bridge thing and the Yeah.

1823
01:11:24,165 --> 01:11:29,125
Here. Oh, snap up. Yeah.

1824
01:11:29,615 --> 01:11:30,685
We're bring everybody back in there

1825
01:11:32,005 --> 01:11:33,005
Onic.

1826
01:11:47,305 --> 01:11:48,325
That's pentatonic there.

1827
01:11:51,945 --> 01:11:54,805
Ah. Just the most joyous track on.

1828
01:11:54,865 --> 01:11:57,085
And if we go long enough, I believe you get growly

1829
01:11:57,205 --> 01:11:59,325
Stevie voice before you do. That's right. He comes back in

1830
01:11:59,325 --> 01:12:01,205
For like another little mini verse, right?

1831
01:12:01,875 --> 01:12:04,445
Yeah. Yeah. He gives you like the same voice he gives you

1832
01:12:04,465 --> 01:12:06,125
on, uh, living from the city.

1833
01:12:06,125 --> 01:12:07,725
City. Yeah.

1834
01:12:07,725 --> 01:12:07,885
Yeah.

1835
01:12:15,385 --> 01:12:16,765
By the way, this is a seven minute record.

1836
01:12:16,915 --> 01:12:19,525
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was released as a single,

1837
01:12:19,545 --> 01:12:21,805
but I guess Stevie was less bothered by the idea of

1838
01:12:21,805 --> 01:12:23,605
that record being thus cut down.

1839
01:12:23,845 --> 01:12:25,245
Stevie violated himself, cared

1840
01:12:25,245 --> 01:12:27,645
More about his daughter's bathtub sound in

1841
01:12:27,645 --> 01:12:28,925
Herbie's solo. That's fine.

1842
01:12:29,385 --> 01:12:30,685
Hey, that's his Right.

1843
01:12:30,685 --> 01:12:33,965
When you have artistic freedom, you do what you want.

1844
01:12:36,265 --> 01:12:38,285
Herbie gets into something gray here.

1845
01:12:38,485 --> 01:12:40,485
I mean, all of it's good. That good

1846
01:12:43,055 --> 01:12:46,365
Never To be played on a radio, but Right.

1847
01:12:46,365 --> 01:12:49,645
You're, you're not gonna hear maybe a OR Right. Yeah.

1848
01:12:49,825 --> 01:12:51,125
That's another thing we haven't talked

1849
01:12:51,125 --> 01:12:52,285
about in the seventies.

1850
01:12:52,285 --> 01:12:54,725
This is the peak of album oriented rock radio. Right.

1851
01:12:54,725 --> 01:12:58,645
And although a OR is primarily bluntly a white rock format.

1852
01:12:58,755 --> 01:13:01,845
Yeah. They would play the likes of Stevie Wonder on a r.

1853
01:13:02,075 --> 01:13:05,045
Like it was not unheard of interest.

1854
01:13:08,095 --> 01:13:11,045
Seven double if

1855
01:13:11,065 --> 01:13:14,045
God knew exactly where he wanted you to be playing.

1856
01:13:15,465 --> 01:13:16,525
So make sure when

1857
01:13:18,145 --> 01:13:20,485
Not You

1858
01:13:20,545 --> 01:13:22,085
Not having to make it to the place.

1859
01:13:22,665 --> 01:13:25,685
You know what else came out in 1976? Peter? What Secrets?

1860
01:13:26,795 --> 01:13:27,885
Secrets. Right. Secrets.

1861
01:13:28,105 --> 01:13:31,605
My favorite Herbie Hancock album from his head Hunters era,

1862
01:13:31,775 --> 01:13:34,165
which actually almost mirrors this two

1863
01:13:34,165 --> 01:13:35,245
Albums after Headhunters.

1864
01:13:35,405 --> 01:13:37,125
'cause Head Hunters is what, 73? 74.

1865
01:13:37,315 --> 01:13:39,525
Yeah. Yeah. It, it almost mirrors Stevie's

1866
01:13:39,525 --> 01:13:40,805
Great era, actually.

1867
01:13:40,865 --> 01:13:42,565
So it starts with headhunters. Right.

1868
01:13:42,565 --> 01:13:46,325
And then you've got Manchild, uh, right. Uh, uh, thrust.

1869
01:13:46,325 --> 01:13:48,605
Thrust and, uh, secrets. Secrets, yeah.

1870
01:13:48,865 --> 01:13:51,605
Um, and Secrets came out in 76. Yeah. Yeah.

1871
01:13:52,665 --> 01:13:53,765
Man, that's stuff that, uh,

1872
01:13:54,355 --> 01:13:55,445
that Herbie's playing on there.

1873
01:13:55,445 --> 01:13:58,085
And I think that, um, I mean,

1874
01:13:58,085 --> 01:13:59,845
and this would, this would totally make sense.

1875
01:14:00,285 --> 01:14:03,965
I believe that that was one take of Herbie, uh, everything

1876
01:14:03,965 --> 01:14:05,005
that he played on there

1877
01:14:05,105 --> 01:14:06,445
and that, like, almost everything was

1878
01:14:06,445 --> 01:14:07,605
put together on this already.

1879
01:14:08,145 --> 01:14:09,885
So, but that would totally make sense.

1880
01:14:09,885 --> 01:14:11,970
Like, having heard him live a lot in like different rec,

1881
01:14:11,995 --> 01:14:13,725
like he could totally come in

1882
01:14:13,725 --> 01:14:15,605
and like, that sounds like he's just

1883
01:14:15,605 --> 01:14:16,765
playing where like, he listens

1884
01:14:16,765 --> 01:14:18,325
To That's why you hire a pro. Exactly.

1885
01:14:18,355 --> 01:14:19,805
Well, he's like, they play in the beginning

1886
01:14:19,805 --> 01:14:20,925
and he is like, okay, I think I got it.

1887
01:14:20,925 --> 01:14:23,925
Let's go, you know, and like, and do a do do a run through.

1888
01:14:23,985 --> 01:14:25,445
And then Stevie was probably like, yes.

1889
01:14:25,545 --> 01:14:26,845
And her, you know, they were like, all right, cool.

1890
01:14:28,425 --> 01:14:31,965
So why not Other things that don't happen anymore,

1891
01:14:32,235 --> 01:14:33,765
Guys, let's, let's go into,

1892
01:14:34,085 --> 01:14:36,645
'cause I think that's, that's all the sort of big hits

1893
01:14:36,715 --> 01:14:37,805
that happened For sure.

1894
01:14:37,985 --> 01:14:39,525
And I mean there's, we

1895
01:14:39,525 --> 01:14:40,725
Didn't even talk about the greatest tune on the

1896
01:14:40,725 --> 01:14:42,165
album. That's okay. We're talking about

1897
01:14:42,165 --> 01:14:43,165
Hits. No, we're gonna, we're gonna,

1898
01:14:43,165 --> 01:14:43,565
we're gonna do,

1899
01:14:43,565 --> 01:14:46,805
eventually we're gonna do a song Three Hours Spectacular.

1900
01:14:47,015 --> 01:14:49,245
Where we go on a deep dive on every single track,

1901
01:14:49,245 --> 01:14:52,965
because it never feels fair to skip over anything. Well, I

1902
01:14:52,965 --> 01:14:54,885
Want to, I want to figure this out too.

1903
01:14:54,985 --> 01:14:58,285
And since we have the expert on this here, Chris,

1904
01:14:58,345 --> 01:15:00,725
you mentioned before that like having, this was like,

1905
01:15:00,725 --> 01:15:02,725
we're joking around that there's many more singles

1906
01:15:02,725 --> 01:15:06,125
available, but you said having four singles off one album,

1907
01:15:06,125 --> 01:15:07,325
this was like kind

1908
01:15:07,325 --> 01:15:09,125
of groundbreaking in a way at this time, right?

1909
01:15:09,545 --> 01:15:10,765
It was, yeah. Like you normally

1910
01:15:10,765 --> 01:15:12,005
didn't go that many singles deep.

1911
01:15:12,005 --> 01:15:13,885
And this is just before Rumors, right?

1912
01:15:14,025 --> 01:15:16,405
So Rumors comes literally, I dunno,

1913
01:15:16,425 --> 01:15:17,725
six months after this album.

1914
01:15:18,025 --> 01:15:20,365
And Rumors actually generates four top 10 hits.

1915
01:15:20,365 --> 01:15:22,125
But this has four singles on it, which in

1916
01:15:22,125 --> 01:15:24,685
and of itself is kind of pushing it by

1917
01:15:25,195 --> 01:15:27,765
76, 77 standards. So Yeah.

1918
01:15:28,025 --> 01:15:29,845
So would those, they Weren't as big a hits as,

1919
01:15:29,865 --> 01:15:32,245
as the rumors hits, but they were, the fact

1920
01:15:32,245 --> 01:15:34,125
that they all made the top 40 is significant.

1921
01:15:34,545 --> 01:15:37,005
So would that, are those connected at all,

1922
01:15:37,005 --> 01:15:38,245
or was that just kind of random?

1923
01:15:38,345 --> 01:15:40,765
In other words, did like, did the success of this

1924
01:15:40,765 --> 01:15:43,525
and putting out four singles, would

1925
01:15:43,685 --> 01:15:45,405
that have effect? Fleetwood? It

1926
01:15:45,565 --> 01:15:46,885
Probably, it, I I have

1927
01:15:46,885 --> 01:15:48,085
to guess that it's off in the ground.

1928
01:15:48,115 --> 01:15:50,445
Like the labels all watch each other's Yeah.

1929
01:15:50,445 --> 01:15:53,445
You know, patterns. And if they see, oh wow.

1930
01:15:53,445 --> 01:15:55,845
They, you know, because l Let Let's Talk Turkey,

1931
01:15:55,845 --> 01:15:57,605
especially in the age of Payola.

1932
01:15:57,605 --> 01:15:59,765
Yeah. Like, getting a song on the radio was

1933
01:15:59,765 --> 01:16:00,805
an expensive proposition.

1934
01:16:00,995 --> 01:16:03,605
Part of the reason why the labels would cut it off after two

1935
01:16:03,605 --> 01:16:05,845
or three singles was that they're like, look, we've,

1936
01:16:05,845 --> 01:16:07,285
we've sold what we're gonna sell on this,

1937
01:16:07,425 --> 01:16:10,165
and we're not gonna commit another, whatever, $200,000

1938
01:16:10,225 --> 01:16:12,365
to get another single up the charts,

1939
01:16:12,365 --> 01:16:14,285
which is gonna require us paying promoters

1940
01:16:14,285 --> 01:16:15,525
to get it on radio stations.

1941
01:16:15,555 --> 01:16:20,085
Yeah. So the, you know, eventually you gotta cut your losses

1942
01:16:20,265 --> 01:16:22,405
or, you know, not throw good money after bad.

1943
01:16:22,465 --> 01:16:24,045
But when you have Songs in the Key of Life,

1944
01:16:24,335 --> 01:16:26,605
which is a blockbuster success out of the box.

1945
01:16:26,625 --> 01:16:27,765
By the way, we should talk about

1946
01:16:28,025 --> 01:16:29,325
how it debuted on the charts.

1947
01:16:29,445 --> 01:16:31,125
'cause that's significant. Yeah, please.

1948
01:16:31,305 --> 01:16:34,005
Um, well, so songs, the Key

1949
01:16:34,005 --> 01:16:36,085
of Life is only the third album in chart history

1950
01:16:36,085 --> 01:16:37,405
to debut at number one.

1951
01:16:37,945 --> 01:16:41,925
Uh, two albums by Elton John did this previously in 1975.

1952
01:16:42,265 --> 01:16:43,525
Um, captain Fantastic.

1953
01:16:43,545 --> 01:16:45,405
And the Brown Jerk Cowboy and Rock

1954
01:16:45,405 --> 01:16:47,165
of the Westie Captain Fantastic.

1955
01:16:47,185 --> 01:16:48,845
Is still remembered as a great Elton John album.

1956
01:16:48,845 --> 01:16:51,085
Frankly, rock of the Westie is not, but

1957
01:16:51,085 --> 01:16:53,085
because Elton John was at the very zenith

1958
01:16:53,085 --> 01:16:55,165
of his Imperial period, he could get away with that.

1959
01:16:55,645 --> 01:16:58,645
Stevie Wonder is the first American to pull this off,

1960
01:16:58,645 --> 01:16:59,765
the first American artist

1961
01:17:00,305 --> 01:17:02,405
to debut at number one on the billboard charts.

1962
01:17:02,585 --> 01:17:04,245
And then I looked this up, the album,

1963
01:17:04,275 --> 01:17:05,365
this is a shocker album charts.

1964
01:17:05,385 --> 01:17:06,645
The the album chart. Yes.

1965
01:17:06,665 --> 01:17:08,485
The, what is now called the Billboard 200.

1966
01:17:08,485 --> 01:17:09,605
Back then it was called Top

1967
01:17:09,825 --> 01:17:10,825
LPs. So, so in the first week,

1968
01:17:10,825 --> 01:17:12,165
it de it debuts,

1969
01:17:12,165 --> 01:17:13,805
it enters the charts at number one. Right.

1970
01:17:14,185 --> 01:17:16,565
And let, yeah, I'm sorry, a little context for this. Yeah.

1971
01:17:16,945 --> 01:17:19,725
Before the charts were computerized in the 1990s,

1972
01:17:20,075 --> 01:17:21,805
this was mostly impossible.

1973
01:17:21,945 --> 01:17:25,285
It, it, it was very difficult to get the old system

1974
01:17:25,575 --> 01:17:29,085
where you were relying on contacting retailers by phone

1975
01:17:29,225 --> 01:17:30,805
or later facts Yeah.

1976
01:17:30,805 --> 01:17:33,045
To tell them, okay, give us your top records for them

1977
01:17:33,045 --> 01:17:34,405
to all line up and say, yeah,

1978
01:17:34,425 --> 01:17:36,085
my top record is this one record.

1979
01:17:36,415 --> 01:17:39,925
There are literally only six albums prior to 1991.

1980
01:17:40,275 --> 01:17:42,765
That debut at number one, the, the three I just mentioned,

1981
01:17:42,765 --> 01:17:44,565
the two Elton John albums, Songs in the Key of Life.

1982
01:17:44,565 --> 01:17:47,165
And then in the eighties, there's Bruce Springsteen

1983
01:17:47,165 --> 01:17:48,285
Live the Box set.

1984
01:17:48,475 --> 01:17:50,045
There's Whitney, Houston's Whitney,

1985
01:17:50,345 --> 01:17:51,885
and there's Michael Jackson's Bad.

1986
01:17:51,985 --> 01:17:54,405
That's it. Wow. Those six records are the only ones

1987
01:17:54,405 --> 01:17:55,485
that debut at number one.

1988
01:17:55,585 --> 01:17:59,325
So not Thriller and The Not Thriller. Not Off the Wall.

1989
01:17:59,325 --> 01:18:02,045
Off the wall. Not that, not rumors. None of them.

1990
01:18:02,235 --> 01:18:04,085
That makes sense. Just with the, what you were saying,

1991
01:18:04,285 --> 01:18:05,845
like from the technology standpoint,

1992
01:18:05,845 --> 01:18:08,165
there's just gonna be a lag between when it's released,

1993
01:18:08,165 --> 01:18:10,565
there's a lag and they can collect the data

1994
01:18:10,565 --> 01:18:12,725
because it's all analog collecting the data. Right.

1995
01:18:12,915 --> 01:18:15,525
It's hard. And, and some people will point to corruption

1996
01:18:15,525 --> 01:18:16,805
and say, oh, it was the bad

1997
01:18:16,805 --> 01:18:17,925
old days when everything was corrupt.

1998
01:18:17,985 --> 01:18:19,085
No, it wa it was, yeah.

1999
01:18:19,085 --> 01:18:20,765
There was Paola and there was corruption.

2000
01:18:21,065 --> 01:18:23,365
It was also just technology. Yeah.

2001
01:18:23,425 --> 01:18:25,445
You just, you literally did not have the data

2002
01:18:25,825 --> 01:18:28,205
to make it possible for things to debut at number one.

2003
01:18:28,355 --> 01:18:29,485
What we then discovered

2004
01:18:29,485 --> 01:18:31,645
after they switched to the sound scan system, where,

2005
01:18:31,645 --> 01:18:34,565
you know, they're scanning barcodes at record stores in 1991

2006
01:18:34,825 --> 01:18:37,325
is, oh, actually more albums than not

2007
01:18:37,345 --> 01:18:38,485
are gonna debut at number one.

2008
01:18:38,625 --> 01:18:41,765
Now, in a typical year, you know, anywhere from 25

2009
01:18:41,825 --> 01:18:43,805
to 40 albums will debut at number one.

2010
01:18:43,835 --> 01:18:45,365
It's very, it's totally commonplace

2011
01:18:45,365 --> 01:18:46,565
and it's not special anymore.

2012
01:18:46,635 --> 01:18:50,045
Yeah. But prior to 1991, only six albums did it.

2013
01:18:50,185 --> 01:18:52,925
And I mean, I, I ticked off Elton John, Stevie Wonder,

2014
01:18:52,975 --> 01:18:55,365
Bruce Springsteen, Michael Jackson, and Whitney Houston.

2015
01:18:55,625 --> 01:18:57,005
All mega Stars, right? Yeah.

2016
01:18:57,195 --> 01:18:59,485
That, that you had to be a megastar to pull this off. Right.

2017
01:18:59,745 --> 01:19:01,085
And the other record that the,

2018
01:19:01,085 --> 01:19:02,645
that Songs in the Key of Life still holds.

2019
01:19:02,785 --> 01:19:05,005
It not only debuted at number one, it stayed there

2020
01:19:05,065 --> 01:19:06,085
for 13 weeks.

2021
01:19:06,385 --> 01:19:08,965
And that is a record that even today, it still holds.

2022
01:19:09,015 --> 01:19:11,165
There are plenty of albums that debut at number one.

2023
01:19:11,165 --> 01:19:13,445
We just had a Taylor Swift album debuted number one last

2024
01:19:13,445 --> 01:19:15,725
week, obviously, but they routinely fall out

2025
01:19:15,725 --> 01:19:17,165
of number one in a couple weeks.

2026
01:19:17,295 --> 01:19:18,685
Maybe if you're Taylor,

2027
01:19:18,945 --> 01:19:21,045
you might stay number one for eight or nine weeks.

2028
01:19:21,545 --> 01:19:23,485
But Stevie Wonder stayed number one

2029
01:19:23,485 --> 01:19:25,605
for 13 weeks, 14 in total.

2030
01:19:25,625 --> 01:19:28,325
It went back for one additional week in early 77.

2031
01:19:29,065 --> 01:19:32,565
No album has stayed number one number, uh, for as many

2032
01:19:32,565 --> 01:19:34,165
as 13 weeks after debuting it.

2033
01:19:34,265 --> 01:19:35,605
That's crazy. So that's how exceptional

2034
01:19:35,605 --> 01:19:36,685
this album was. That's

2035
01:19:36,865 --> 01:19:37,865
So interesting. And

2036
01:19:37,865 --> 01:19:40,165
I'm wondering, and this is entire, so for the albums at

2037
01:19:40,165 --> 01:19:42,605
that time, that would be entirely on, is

2038
01:19:42,605 --> 01:19:44,125
that entirely computed on record sales?

2039
01:19:44,125 --> 01:19:45,445
Nothing with Airplay?

2040
01:19:46,035 --> 01:19:48,725
Yeah. I mean, in the seventies, it's, you know,

2041
01:19:49,045 --> 01:19:51,365
retailers reporting their weekly sales right.

2042
01:19:51,365 --> 01:19:52,485
Back to Billboard and saying,

2043
01:19:52,485 --> 01:19:54,165
these are our top 30 records this week.

2044
01:19:54,235 --> 01:19:56,925
Yeah. And then Billboard, you know, compiles that data.

2045
01:19:57,145 --> 01:19:59,605
You know, they, um, now it's, it's actual piece counts.

2046
01:19:59,605 --> 01:20:01,885
Now they're actually, you know, scanning barcodes

2047
01:20:01,905 --> 01:20:03,925
or now nowadays Streams. Streams. Right.

2048
01:20:03,925 --> 01:20:07,845
Yeah. But so I know that, that this record was kind of a,

2049
01:20:08,685 --> 01:20:09,925
a zeitgeist moment.

2050
01:20:10,925 --> 01:20:13,565
Absolutely. Songs of the Key Life for specifically kind

2051
01:20:13,565 --> 01:20:16,725
of like black middle class, well, just

2052
01:20:17,415 --> 01:20:20,165
black record buyers in general obviously crossed over

2053
01:20:20,225 --> 01:20:21,365
way into the White Web.

2054
01:20:21,365 --> 01:20:22,685
But I'm wondering if those first weeks,

2055
01:20:22,685 --> 01:20:24,565
like this was such a big deal

2056
01:20:24,585 --> 01:20:26,445
and it was a double album, so it was more expensive.

2057
01:20:26,445 --> 01:20:27,685
What was it like 50% more?

2058
01:20:27,725 --> 01:20:29,285
I think, as I recall, like a double album, by

2059
01:20:29,285 --> 01:20:30,325
The way, we haven't even talked about this.

2060
01:20:30,395 --> 01:20:32,605
It's technically a two and a half album. Oh, that's right.

2061
01:20:32,885 --> 01:20:34,245
'cause it comes with a, it comes with with

2062
01:20:34,495 --> 01:20:35,325
45 5. Yes.

2063
01:20:35,435 --> 01:20:38,485
I've that four additional songs. Uh, Ebony Eyes, um,

2064
01:20:38,825 --> 01:20:40,085
Sa No, wait, Do I have this

2065
01:20:40,305 --> 01:20:41,305
All day Saturn? Sorry. I

2066
01:20:41,305 --> 01:20:42,085
do.

2067
01:20:43,025 --> 01:20:46,035
Yeah. Uh, uh, the Something Extra. Yes.

2068
01:20:46,055 --> 01:20:47,715
Saturn, Ebony Eyes All Day, sucker

2069
01:20:47,715 --> 01:20:48,955
and Easygoing Evening Yep.

2070
01:20:49,095 --> 01:20:50,635
Uh, are all on the bonus album.

2071
01:20:50,735 --> 01:20:53,595
So it's like, it's like a double album plus, yes. Crazy.

2072
01:20:53,895 --> 01:20:56,915
But in a way, promotionally my understanding, again,

2073
01:20:56,955 --> 01:20:58,115
I was five when this album came out,

2074
01:20:58,115 --> 01:20:59,235
so I've, I've read up on this.

2075
01:20:59,235 --> 01:21:00,395
I don't remember this firsthand,

2076
01:21:00,855 --> 01:21:04,595
but the two year delay kind of worked in its favor

2077
01:21:04,595 --> 01:21:06,675
because, you know what we just saw

2078
01:21:06,675 --> 01:21:08,155
with this Taylor Swift album where like,

2079
01:21:08,155 --> 01:21:10,315
the whole country was momentarily obsessed with Oh,

2080
01:21:10,315 --> 01:21:11,715
when's Taylor's new album coming out?

2081
01:21:11,715 --> 01:21:13,995
Yeah. It was like that for 1976.

2082
01:21:13,995 --> 01:21:15,955
Everybody was like, hyped up. Yeah.

2083
01:21:15,955 --> 01:21:18,235
Like Stevie Wonder had gone the longest he had ever gone

2084
01:21:18,585 --> 01:21:20,635
without an album, and he was coming off

2085
01:21:20,635 --> 01:21:22,355
of Visions and Fulfillingness.

2086
01:21:22,355 --> 01:21:24,315
Yeah. Both of which won the Grammy. Yeah.

2087
01:21:24,375 --> 01:21:26,195
So everybody was waiting Yes.

2088
01:21:26,375 --> 01:21:27,995
The black community overwhelmingly,

2089
01:21:27,995 --> 01:21:29,635
but like white fans too,

2090
01:21:29,635 --> 01:21:31,275
everybody wanted to hear this record.

2091
01:21:31,275 --> 01:21:33,315
Right? Right. This, this was an event. Yeah.

2092
01:21:33,315 --> 01:21:34,635
And it was promoted as an event.

2093
01:21:34,745 --> 01:21:36,635
Yeah, absolutely. Actually, I've seen some too.

2094
01:21:36,635 --> 01:21:39,195
There was, they, they put in a lot of like, um,

2095
01:21:39,705 --> 01:21:42,075
they had a whole campaign, a print campaign

2096
01:21:42,425 --> 01:21:44,515
with like entire, I mean, definitely like in Billboard,

2097
01:21:44,695 --> 01:21:46,475
but I believe even in like some newspapers

2098
01:21:46,475 --> 01:21:49,955
and stuff placed with a whole, like

2099
01:21:49,955 --> 01:21:51,395
with the lyrics to some of the songs.

2100
01:21:51,455 --> 01:21:53,635
I'm trying to remember which one it was on Song of the Well,

2101
01:21:53,635 --> 01:21:54,635
And if you look at the vinyl package,

2102
01:21:54,655 --> 01:21:55,715
it came with a booklet.

2103
01:21:55,895 --> 01:21:57,155
Yes. Which was quite unusual.

2104
01:21:57,245 --> 01:22:00,875
Where you a stapled booklet with all the lyrics. Yes.

2105
01:22:00,945 --> 01:22:03,355
That, so the, the pa and I mean, just the gatefold.

2106
01:22:03,425 --> 01:22:05,235
It's a beautiful package. So, great.

2107
01:22:05,235 --> 01:22:06,795
Well, you, you were buying an JE

2108
01:22:06,795 --> 01:22:08,515
to Art when you were buying the set. Yes.

2109
01:22:08,515 --> 01:22:10,395
That, that sounds like in Accoutrement.

2110
01:22:10,395 --> 01:22:12,075
Which makes me think of our categories.

2111
01:22:12,435 --> 01:22:14,275
And I think let's get to our categories now.

2112
01:22:14,515 --> 01:22:15,595
'cause Chris, you were so generous to

2113
01:22:16,275 --> 01:22:17,275
13 weeks. Take

2114
01:22:17,275 --> 01:22:18,835
some time. I know, it's crazy. Yeah.

2115
01:22:18,855 --> 01:22:19,995
You were so generous to take some time

2116
01:22:19,995 --> 01:22:22,035
and fill out our silly categories.

2117
01:22:22,035 --> 01:22:23,115
Let's start with Desert Island

2118
01:22:23,175 --> 01:22:24,355
tracks. Peter, what do you think?

2119
01:22:25,055 --> 01:22:28,995
Um, I mean, I'm gonna say Summer Soft,

2120
01:22:29,095 --> 01:22:30,195
partly because we didn't listen.

2121
01:22:30,315 --> 01:22:32,075
I mean, I probably would've said if it's magic,

2122
01:22:32,135 --> 01:22:33,635
but Summer Soft is the one.

2123
01:22:33,635 --> 01:22:34,635
Thank you.

2124
01:22:36,245 --> 01:22:40,915
Great. Track. The definition of a good album

2125
01:22:41,055 --> 01:22:42,055
Cut Off.

2126
01:22:46,305 --> 01:22:49,115
It's got the Harmony, Right?

2127
01:22:49,115 --> 01:22:51,235
Like, this is never gonna be a radio hit on the album.

2128
01:22:51,255 --> 01:22:52,635
It just enriches the album.

2129
01:22:53,015 --> 01:22:55,315
But it's like, fast forward 10 years,

2130
01:22:55,335 --> 01:22:57,795
or maybe no less than 10 years, this could have been like,

2131
01:22:58,015 --> 01:22:59,555
um, what, what was it?

2132
01:22:59,575 --> 01:23:03,515
Uh, uh, quiet Storm. Like this could have been Yes. True.

2133
01:23:03,575 --> 01:23:04,675
In the Quiet Storm format.

2134
01:23:04,855 --> 01:23:06,125
It would've, it it might've

2135
01:23:06,125 --> 01:23:07,205
been played at two o'clock in the morning.

2136
01:23:07,515 --> 01:23:09,165
It's romantic. It's got the Stevie

2137
01:23:09,165 --> 01:23:10,205
like that, his whole mm-hmm.

2138
01:23:10,205 --> 01:23:12,245
I mean, his range of voices. We talked about the Grow.

2139
01:23:12,365 --> 01:23:13,965
I mean, it's almost like he's an actor

2140
01:23:13,965 --> 01:23:16,565
with all these different roles he can play as a vocalist.

2141
01:23:17,185 --> 01:23:19,565
Uh, and I just, I love that track. Sue me.

2142
01:23:19,655 --> 01:23:21,285
Chris, what do you got for your desert island?

2143
01:23:22,285 --> 01:23:24,725
I mean, I've already said it's as like, I mean,

2144
01:23:24,825 --> 01:23:27,045
that's just, it's such a perfect record.

2145
01:23:27,285 --> 01:23:29,885
I mean, but I guess a close second might be. I wish.

2146
01:23:30,165 --> 01:23:31,605
'cause I just love, I wish so much. Mm-hmm.

2147
01:23:31,605 --> 01:23:33,725
And there are days when like, I need to hear. I wish.

2148
01:23:33,925 --> 01:23:37,085
'cause it's stuck in my head. Yeah. But as is, I don't know.

2149
01:23:37,085 --> 01:23:38,405
It's just so moving. Mm-hmm.

2150
01:23:38,485 --> 01:23:41,085
It's like the lyric and the performance

2151
01:23:41,385 --> 01:23:44,525
and everything gels on that record.

2152
01:23:44,755 --> 01:23:46,765
It's, it's like a perfect Stevie Wonder record.

2153
01:23:46,975 --> 01:23:48,405
Chris, was there any chance

2154
01:23:48,515 --> 01:23:51,485
that your Desert Alley Track was gonna be any of not one

2155
01:23:51,485 --> 01:23:55,235
of the four singles given your pedigree and expertise?

2156
01:23:56,575 --> 01:23:58,195
Yes. Actually, I would say my,

2157
01:23:58,435 --> 01:24:01,435
probably my third place pick is, uh, knocks me off my feet.

2158
01:24:01,435 --> 01:24:02,915
That's great. I love knocks me off my feet.

2159
01:24:02,915 --> 01:24:05,275
It's so good. Yeah. Um, that, that's very close

2160
01:24:05,335 --> 01:24:07,155
to a desert island pick for

2161
01:24:07,155 --> 01:24:08,155
Me. Yeah. That would be my

2162
01:24:08,155 --> 01:24:09,235
wife. Kelly's for sure.

2163
01:24:09,395 --> 01:24:10,755
I already know. That would be her Desert Island pick.

2164
01:24:10,755 --> 01:24:12,795
Well, I mean, you mentioned like Perfect album cuts.

2165
01:24:12,945 --> 01:24:15,035
This is another perfect album. Cut. Oh. Isn't

2166
01:24:15,035 --> 01:24:16,475
Another kind of quiet storm. But

2167
01:24:17,205 --> 01:24:19,195
Again, this is almost radio worthy.

2168
01:24:19,595 --> 01:24:21,075
I feel like you could play this on the radio.

2169
01:24:21,305 --> 01:24:23,635
Yeah. I, I would say there's probably another three, four,

2170
01:24:23,635 --> 01:24:26,675
maybe five that could have been a, a single.

2171
01:24:26,675 --> 01:24:27,915
Yeah. This is one of them from another,

2172
01:24:27,985 --> 01:24:29,315
from another album. What

2173
01:24:29,315 --> 01:24:30,315
Was the thing? Actually, I'm

2174
01:24:30,315 --> 01:24:31,875
remembering back on this.

2175
01:24:32,055 --> 01:24:33,875
Do I remember on the, I barely remember.

2176
01:24:33,915 --> 01:24:37,475
I know for sure like Off the Wall, like radio airplay

2177
01:24:37,495 --> 01:24:39,395
of songs that weren't singles.

2178
01:24:39,785 --> 01:24:41,355
That was definitely a thing on like, in St.

2179
01:24:41,355 --> 01:24:43,755
Louis, on the RB stations, that used to happen a lot.

2180
01:24:43,955 --> 01:24:45,875
I mean, there's a, there's a track on Off the Wall,

2181
01:24:46,015 --> 01:24:47,035
is that I can't help it.

2182
01:24:47,105 --> 01:24:49,475
Yeah. That's, uh, the one written by Stevie Wonder. Yes.

2183
01:24:49,585 --> 01:24:51,475
That I think is a black radio staple.

2184
01:24:51,955 --> 01:24:52,955
Absolutely. I mean, it's, that was played on the

2185
01:24:53,985 --> 01:24:54,985
Yeah. That's

2186
01:24:54,985 --> 01:24:56,915
a quiet storm record for all intents and

2187
01:24:56,915 --> 01:24:57,915
Purposes. Exactly. Yeah.

2188
01:24:57,915 --> 01:24:59,355
I I I've always said it's like,

2189
01:24:59,465 --> 01:25:00,875
it's half, not half.

2190
01:25:00,905 --> 01:25:03,715
It's like a combination of a disco record and quiet storm.

2191
01:25:03,715 --> 01:25:05,475
People are like, think I'm putting it down.

2192
01:25:05,535 --> 01:25:06,675
I'm like, that's one of my favorite record.

2193
01:25:06,905 --> 01:25:08,915
It's actually my favorite Michael. That's Michael Jack.

2194
01:25:08,915 --> 01:25:10,555
Exactly. It's absolutely a compliment

2195
01:25:11,035 --> 01:25:12,755
I had as Gen X rising. You hear?

2196
01:25:13,105 --> 01:25:15,755
Okay. I hear you. I hear you. I had as, as well.

2197
01:25:15,775 --> 01:25:18,675
But I'm also gonna put in my second spot here if it's magic.

2198
01:25:18,745 --> 01:25:19,995
Just because it's so beautiful.

2199
01:25:19,995 --> 01:25:21,755
It's such a beautiful written, beautiful song. And

2200
01:25:21,755 --> 01:25:23,675
It's, wait, it's so Desert Island tracks.

2201
01:25:23,775 --> 01:25:25,155
We get to pick two. Is that what you think?

2202
01:25:25,155 --> 01:25:26,315
Well, I'm sorry, Chris.

2203
01:25:26,485 --> 01:25:29,075
Chris already got as I Cheated, I cheat.

2204
01:25:29,455 --> 01:25:31,115
But then he also, Chris Is the guest. He's allowed,

2205
01:25:31,335 --> 01:25:32,995
So he's allowed to, that's he's the guest.

2206
01:25:33,625 --> 01:25:35,195
Okay. Apex moments. What do you got, Peter?

2207
01:25:35,705 --> 01:25:36,915
Come back to me. Let's go to

2208
01:25:36,915 --> 01:25:37,915
Chris. Chris. Chris, what do you got?

2209
01:25:38,875 --> 01:25:41,635
I mean, I already, I just mentioned knocks me off my feet.

2210
01:25:41,935 --> 01:25:45,635
The, the segue from I wish into knocks me off my feet when

2211
01:25:45,635 --> 01:25:46,635
you're coming out of I Wish

2212
01:25:46,635 --> 01:25:48,835
and going into it's, it's almost seamless.

2213
01:25:49,175 --> 01:25:52,195
Um, I, I would need to go back to a vinyl pressing

2214
01:25:52,735 --> 01:25:54,795
to hear just how close they come.

2215
01:25:54,795 --> 01:25:57,715
But on this, this my cd it,

2216
01:25:57,825 --> 01:25:59,715
it's like one flows into the other

2217
01:25:59,735 --> 01:26:01,435
and it's, it's just such a beautiful moment.

2218
01:26:01,485 --> 01:26:02,755
Let's try to catch that a little bit.

2219
01:26:02,755 --> 01:26:04,965
We'll listen to the last few seconds of I Wish.

2220
01:26:06,865 --> 01:26:08,765
And This is on Oh, right. Coming out of the, this

2221
01:26:08,765 --> 01:26:10,485
Is on Spotify, so it might not work out great.

2222
01:26:13,625 --> 01:26:16,445
Oh, That might be Stevie on drums.

2223
01:26:16,725 --> 01:26:17,925
Actually, that sounded like

2224
01:26:20,085 --> 01:26:21,325
I, Oh, it's fading out.

2225
01:26:21,405 --> 01:26:24,285
I think that might be, ah, that

2226
01:26:24,955 --> 01:26:28,205
Just, there's something about that combination that

2227
01:26:28,905 --> 01:26:29,905
So good. Like,

2228
01:26:29,905 --> 01:26:32,405
knocks me out every time. No pun intended. Knocks

2229
01:26:32,405 --> 01:26:33,405
You off your feet.

2230
01:26:33,425 --> 01:26:36,125
Knocks me out my feet. Uh, that's a great,

2231
01:26:36,375 --> 01:26:37,445
great apex moment.

2232
01:26:37,445 --> 01:26:38,925
Yeah. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with, can

2233
01:26:38,925 --> 01:26:41,045
We just talk real quick about Stevie being the ma?

2234
01:26:41,105 --> 01:26:44,645
No, come on. You catching away, bro. No.

2235
01:26:44,705 --> 01:26:46,445
Can we talk about Stevie being the master

2236
01:26:46,625 --> 01:26:48,245
of the segue between song?

2237
01:26:48,245 --> 01:26:50,205
Like I think this is something that he was album

2238
01:26:50,395 --> 01:26:51,395
Flow. Oh my God.

2239
01:26:51,395 --> 01:26:52,605
Album flow. Like he had

2240
01:26:52,605 --> 01:26:53,805
to So much Intention Talking

2241
01:26:53,805 --> 01:26:55,725
Book has a lot of, that Talking Book has moments

2242
01:26:55,725 --> 01:26:59,005
where the songs just kind of Oh, are perfectly sequenced.

2243
01:26:59,205 --> 01:27:00,965
I I know. It's something he thought about in, I mean,

2244
01:27:01,045 --> 01:27:02,645
'cause you don't get lucky that many times with

2245
01:27:02,645 --> 01:27:04,685
that great sequencing. Go ahead. Sorry, Adam,

2246
01:27:04,785 --> 01:27:09,645
For My Impacts moment, I'm gonna go with, go ahead.

2247
01:27:09,645 --> 01:27:12,285
Just making sure. I'm gonna go with, uh, Herbie on

2248
01:27:12,465 --> 01:27:14,965
as I'm gonna go with that entire last section when,

2249
01:27:15,195 --> 01:27:16,685
when Stevie gets the growl

2250
01:27:16,685 --> 01:27:17,805
going. And it's, while you really,

2251
01:27:17,905 --> 01:27:20,005
You packed that, that that fastball outta the park way

2252
01:27:20,005 --> 01:27:22,565
to go 86 mile an hour fastball you and you hit it.

2253
01:27:22,705 --> 01:27:24,085
I'm a simple man. You started

2254
01:27:24,105 --> 01:27:25,285
on third, you ran home with a

2255
01:27:25,285 --> 01:27:26,285
Simple brain way to go. You

2256
01:27:26,285 --> 01:27:27,565
gimme Stevie Growling.

2257
01:27:27,625 --> 01:27:29,885
You gimme Herbie Hancock shredding on a

2258
01:27:29,885 --> 01:27:31,805
beautiful sounding fender. Rhodes, I'm

2259
01:27:31,805 --> 01:27:33,085
Gonna, there's a moment in Layton as

2260
01:27:33,085 --> 01:27:34,605
where like he does this tinkly thing.

2261
01:27:34,605 --> 01:27:38,125
This that I just love.

2262
01:27:38,155 --> 01:27:40,445
Yeah. I mean the Herbie there, the Herbies.

2263
01:27:40,625 --> 01:27:42,085
Uh, okay. Peter, do you have one? So,

2264
01:27:42,085 --> 01:27:43,285
So I got, can I talk now?

2265
01:27:45,065 --> 01:27:47,405
My gosh. You know, I had originally put down contusion.

2266
01:27:47,925 --> 01:27:49,525
I this shouldn't this, I I

2267
01:27:49,525 --> 01:27:51,325
Was surprised we didn't talk about contusion as jazz guys.

2268
01:27:51,525 --> 01:27:53,005
I would think you guys would be interested. We always hear

2269
01:27:53,005 --> 01:27:54,485
From jazz musicians that we don't talk about

2270
01:27:54,555 --> 01:27:55,805
contusion enough.

2271
01:27:55,835 --> 01:27:56,835
Yeah.

2272
01:27:58,075 --> 01:27:59,605
Talk about a fusion track. A

2273
01:27:59,685 --> 01:28:00,685
Straight up. Yeah. It sounds like Chick

2274
01:28:00,685 --> 01:28:01,685
Korea. Yeah.

2275
01:28:02,875 --> 01:28:04,405
It's the only instrumental on the record.

2276
01:28:04,785 --> 01:28:05,845
It could be on Secrets Un,

2277
01:28:05,845 --> 01:28:07,005
unless I'm forgetting something. It could

2278
01:28:07,005 --> 01:28:08,005
Be on secrets. It could be on heavy

2279
01:28:08,005 --> 01:28:09,045
weather. Yeah. Heavy

2280
01:28:09,045 --> 01:28:10,045
Weather. Yeah.

2281
01:28:10,045 --> 01:28:13,765
Um, but that's actually not my Apex moment. Um,

2282
01:28:14,255 --> 01:28:15,255
Sorry. Confusion

2283
01:28:15,255 --> 01:28:15,845
fans. I I I just,

2284
01:28:15,985 --> 01:28:16,985
I'm glad you brought it up. Yeah,

2285
01:28:16,985 --> 01:28:18,085
I'm glad you mentioned it in passing.

2286
01:28:18,085 --> 01:28:19,845
Weird because that's interesting track. It's a weird,

2287
01:28:20,225 --> 01:28:21,685
Um, that was probably played on

2288
01:28:21,715 --> 01:28:23,645
jazz, uh, radio in the set.

2289
01:28:23,705 --> 01:28:25,205
I'm almost for sure that was played.

2290
01:28:25,665 --> 01:28:29,685
Um, no, I think the Transpositions, uh, on Summer Soft,

2291
01:28:29,795 --> 01:28:31,125
there's like three of 'em.

2292
01:28:31,235 --> 01:28:34,445
They're like beyond just your typical lift ones.

2293
01:28:34,835 --> 01:28:37,805
They're so genius. This whole tune is super hard.

2294
01:28:37,915 --> 01:28:39,965
It's in a hard key. The harmony.

2295
01:28:43,435 --> 01:28:45,845
It's constantly changing. It's now, it's an E major kind of

2296
01:28:46,525 --> 01:28:48,725
A, It's actually in B

2297
01:28:48,915 --> 01:28:49,915
It's weird.

2298
01:28:49,985 --> 01:28:53,165
And it's like, wait, what? Oh, it's back to G Flat.

2299
01:28:54,025 --> 01:28:55,405
So these aren't transpositions

2300
01:28:55,405 --> 01:28:56,645
necessarily, but they're like,

2301
01:28:58,705 --> 01:28:58,925
Ah,

2302
01:29:04,955 --> 01:29:08,765
Just the harmonic movement On this. That's beautiful.

2303
01:29:09,075 --> 01:29:10,525
Yeah, we'll allow that. We'll allow that.

2304
01:29:10,545 --> 01:29:12,405
And then actually, I was even talking about later when it

2305
01:29:12,565 --> 01:29:13,765
Actually goes, when it starts changes case.

2306
01:29:13,945 --> 01:29:16,005
We don't have to get into it. To me, this whole thing,

2307
01:29:18,315 --> 01:29:19,315
It's so good.

2308
01:29:19,665 --> 01:29:22,365
So good. Guys. We could just listen to the whole album.

2309
01:29:22,515 --> 01:29:24,645
Yeah. If we don't have to just do the hits.

2310
01:29:24,705 --> 01:29:26,925
No, it's so incredible. Okay. And

2311
01:29:26,925 --> 01:29:29,365
I'm a little surprised some Summers Soft now

2312
01:29:29,365 --> 01:29:30,605
that I'm li thinking about it again.

2313
01:29:30,705 --> 01:29:32,045
Now, isn't she love, I was gonna say,

2314
01:29:32,155 --> 01:29:34,885
what was the most likely to be the next single?

2315
01:29:35,985 --> 01:29:36,925
If there was a fifth single, it

2316
01:29:36,925 --> 01:29:37,965
would've been, isn't she? It's got, if

2317
01:29:37,965 --> 01:29:40,805
It had to have been, but, uh, soft is good.

2318
01:29:40,835 --> 01:29:42,085
Bespoke Spotify playlist.

2319
01:29:42,225 --> 01:29:44,205
If this album were on a playlist,

2320
01:29:44,205 --> 01:29:45,365
which I'm sure it's on many,

2321
01:29:45,915 --> 01:29:48,845
what would be a good bespoke playlist name for this?

2322
01:29:48,975 --> 01:29:50,085
Chris, do you have a good one?

2323
01:29:51,145 --> 01:29:53,825
I, I was gonna call it more is more albums. Yeah.

2324
01:29:53,825 --> 01:29:58,185
Um, because like, okay, I, one thing I went back when you,

2325
01:29:58,185 --> 01:30:00,465
when I knew I was doing with this, you guys, I went to, um,

2326
01:30:00,565 --> 01:30:02,305
my friend Alan Light wrote the review

2327
01:30:02,485 --> 01:30:04,065
of this album for Pitchfork.

2328
01:30:04,065 --> 01:30:07,945
Mm. And um, he gave it a 10. I or Pitchfork gave it a 10.

2329
01:30:08,165 --> 01:30:09,545
And he said something really smart.

2330
01:30:09,845 --> 01:30:12,065
He said, uh, almost everyone understood the magnitude

2331
01:30:12,065 --> 01:30:13,905
of Wonder's Achievement, but there were some objections

2332
01:30:13,905 --> 01:30:15,505
mostly having to do with the length

2333
01:30:15,565 --> 01:30:16,625
and sprawl of the record.

2334
01:30:16,685 --> 01:30:17,985
Mm. And then he quotes several people

2335
01:30:18,005 --> 01:30:19,905
who were quibbling about how long the record was.

2336
01:30:20,245 --> 01:30:22,745
But to complain about the Excess was to miss the point.

2337
01:30:23,165 --> 01:30:25,345
Any great double album, like the White album

2338
01:30:25,405 --> 01:30:28,385
or exile on Main Street could easily be edited into

2339
01:30:28,385 --> 01:30:29,785
something tighter and more consistent.

2340
01:30:30,005 --> 01:30:33,385
But the all-encompassing aspiration is the whole idea,

2341
01:30:33,965 --> 01:30:35,785
the desire to contain multitudes

2342
01:30:35,785 --> 01:30:37,585
and to cover as much ground as possible

2343
01:30:37,585 --> 01:30:39,225
during a revved up creative groove.

2344
01:30:39,575 --> 01:30:41,945
Sometimes more is more. Well, and

2345
01:30:41,945 --> 01:30:42,945
What, go ahead.

2346
01:30:43,095 --> 01:30:45,345
That was the truest thing I think I've ever read about.

2347
01:30:45,815 --> 01:30:46,945
Yeah. Because frankly,

2348
01:30:47,475 --> 01:30:49,345
among my favorite Stevie Wonder albums, we'll get to this.

2349
01:30:49,725 --> 01:30:51,145
I'm more of an Innervisions guy.

2350
01:30:51,225 --> 01:30:53,185
I play that record more often. Mm-hmm.

2351
01:30:53,485 --> 01:30:54,865
But like the whole point

2352
01:30:54,865 --> 01:30:58,105
of this album is the, the muchness of it. Yes. It's

2353
01:30:58,105 --> 01:30:59,105
Too much. It's it's depth. It's

2354
01:30:59,105 --> 01:31:00,985
so long and there's so much to it.

2355
01:31:00,985 --> 01:31:03,385
But by the way, as we've been discussing here, very,

2356
01:31:03,655 --> 01:31:04,905
very little filler.

2357
01:31:05,095 --> 01:31:08,425
There's very few tracks that you are skippable, if any.

2358
01:31:08,645 --> 01:31:10,105
No, all of them. There's nothing to throw.

2359
01:31:10,135 --> 01:31:11,345
Well, of course there's nothing throw

2360
01:31:11,605 --> 01:31:13,185
All of them are worthy of a listen.

2361
01:31:13,485 --> 01:31:15,545
And many of them, as we've been talking about,

2362
01:31:15,565 --> 01:31:19,305
are masterpieces that, you know, uh, behind Masterpieces.

2363
01:31:19,825 --> 01:31:22,785
I like that. I have for my bespoke Spotify playlist, two

2364
01:31:22,785 --> 01:31:24,265
and a half albums, I didn't have anything.

2365
01:31:24,405 --> 01:31:25,625
But when you mentioned that there were two

2366
01:31:25,625 --> 01:31:29,305
and a half discs in the original, I thought that was great.

2367
01:31:29,485 --> 01:31:32,065
And I, as I recall, the 45, I don't think

2368
01:31:32,065 --> 01:31:33,545
that they really advertised that.

2369
01:31:33,695 --> 01:31:35,025
That was like a little bit of, I mean,

2370
01:31:35,025 --> 01:31:36,105
obviously Word got out,

2371
01:31:36,285 --> 01:31:37,705
but it was a little bit of like, kind

2372
01:31:37,705 --> 01:31:38,745
of an extra Easter egg.

2373
01:31:38,745 --> 01:31:40,065
It was a bonus. Yeah, it was a bonus in book.

2374
01:31:40,065 --> 01:31:41,665
They called it a Somethings Extra.

2375
01:31:41,965 --> 01:31:44,065
Oh. Oh, that was Stevie's name something.

2376
01:31:44,065 --> 01:31:45,265
Apostrophe s Extra

2377
01:31:45,445 --> 01:31:46,445
Man. This was an event album.

2378
01:31:46,445 --> 01:31:47,985
You know, Peter, what do

2379
01:31:47,985 --> 01:31:48,505
You got? He really was,

2380
01:31:48,725 --> 01:31:50,025
Um, that's what I should have done.

2381
01:31:50,025 --> 01:31:51,385
Bespoke Spotify plays.

2382
01:31:51,385 --> 01:31:52,945
But that doesn't make sense on Spotify.

2383
01:31:53,265 --> 01:31:54,665
'cause Spotify somehow kills everything

2384
01:31:54,665 --> 01:31:55,665
and makes them not events

2385
01:31:55,975 --> 01:31:57,665
with their damn fade ins and fade outs.

2386
01:31:57,665 --> 01:31:58,785
Sorry, but I digress.

2387
01:31:59,145 --> 01:32:02,645
Um, here, here, uh, I'm calling this,

2388
01:32:03,355 --> 01:32:04,565
this is really clinical,

2389
01:32:05,145 --> 01:32:08,805
but four plus singles jams.

2390
01:32:09,545 --> 01:32:11,485
So, but I'm adding a Z to jam

2391
01:32:12,305 --> 01:32:13,805
to make it doesn't sound too nerdy. Fun.

2392
01:32:13,805 --> 01:32:15,245
Make a fun. Well,

2393
01:32:15,245 --> 01:32:18,365
In all seriousness, you could compile a Spotify playlist

2394
01:32:18,585 --> 01:32:21,125
of albums that generated four or more singles.

2395
01:32:21,145 --> 01:32:23,205
And the singles are all great. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2396
01:32:23,275 --> 01:32:25,485
Once you get to the eighties, then it's commonplace.

2397
01:32:25,515 --> 01:32:28,685
It's right. You know, thriller, it's born in the USA. Yeah.

2398
01:32:28,715 --> 01:32:29,965
It's Faith by George Michael.

2399
01:32:30,235 --> 01:32:32,805
It's, you know, hysteria by Def Leppard.

2400
01:32:32,805 --> 01:32:35,485
It's, it's, you know, Madonna's True Blue, like lots

2401
01:32:35,485 --> 01:32:37,205
of people did multiple hits off an album.

2402
01:32:37,255 --> 01:32:39,445
Right. But this is one of the earliest that's pulling

2403
01:32:39,445 --> 01:32:40,485
that many singles off an

2404
01:32:40,485 --> 01:32:41,485
Album. All right. You heard it, folks

2405
01:32:41,485 --> 01:32:42,445
create the playlist.

2406
01:32:42,625 --> 01:32:44,525
You got it. Uh, okay, up next,

2407
01:32:44,635 --> 01:32:46,245
what other albums pair with this?

2408
01:32:46,245 --> 01:32:47,725
What, what are you playing right after this?

2409
01:32:48,015 --> 01:32:49,765
Peter, you wanna go first on this one? Well, I'm playing

2410
01:32:49,765 --> 01:32:51,565
Rumors because like, oh, interesting.

2411
01:32:51,845 --> 01:32:53,845
I think, you know, sometimes I go into like, I mean,

2412
01:32:53,925 --> 01:32:55,965
I could be like any Stevie I would listen to,

2413
01:32:55,985 --> 01:33:00,725
but I think, uh, you know, to Chris's point of more is more,

2414
01:33:01,265 --> 01:33:03,685
uh, like you listen to this whole thing.

2415
01:33:03,705 --> 01:33:04,845
And that's why I always take this.

2416
01:33:04,845 --> 01:33:06,525
Like, if I would've listened to this whole album, first

2417
01:33:06,525 --> 01:33:07,925
of all, I'm gonna smoke a cigarette

2418
01:33:07,925 --> 01:33:09,725
after I, I listen to this whole album.

2419
01:33:10,265 --> 01:33:11,485
I'm gonna drink a bottle of wine.

2420
01:33:11,565 --> 01:33:12,565
I probably drink a bottle of wine

2421
01:33:12,565 --> 01:33:13,365
while I'm listening to you.

2422
01:33:13,365 --> 01:33:15,125
Don't it to Smoke Bud. Whatcha about? I don't smoke.

2423
01:33:15,125 --> 01:33:17,925
It'd be a good time to start. But I think, uh, uh, you know,

2424
01:33:18,665 --> 01:33:22,085
the reward you get from listening to a album at this length,

2425
01:33:22,385 --> 01:33:24,485
but where the sequencing is so good, it's such a,

2426
01:33:24,515 --> 01:33:26,405
it's like an epic movie or something.

2427
01:33:26,405 --> 01:33:27,805
What would you actually listen to next?

2428
01:33:28,425 --> 01:33:29,925
Uh, actually Rumors would be bad

2429
01:33:29,925 --> 01:33:31,885
because that's another kind of epic album,

2430
01:33:32,145 --> 01:33:33,365
but it's different enough, you

2431
01:33:33,365 --> 01:33:34,565
Know, it's different enough. It would be fun,

2432
01:33:34,665 --> 01:33:35,885
But it's from the same, same

2433
01:33:35,885 --> 01:33:36,965
period. So I'm gonna go with Rumors.

2434
01:33:36,965 --> 01:33:39,805
Chris, what do you got? I'm gonna go

2435
01:33:39,805 --> 01:33:40,885
with a Donna Summer album,

2436
01:33:41,105 --> 01:33:43,205
and I think the Obvious Pick is Bad Girls,

2437
01:33:43,315 --> 01:33:46,325
because I think it has a similar ambition.

2438
01:33:46,595 --> 01:33:47,605
It's a double album.

2439
01:33:48,075 --> 01:33:50,405
It's kind of her and Giorgio Moroder

2440
01:33:50,405 --> 01:33:52,725
and Pete Otti kind of doing this kind

2441
01:33:52,725 --> 01:33:55,045
of ambition across two platters.

2442
01:33:55,665 --> 01:33:59,325
Um, it's in an r and b context, but also a pop context.

2443
01:34:00,125 --> 01:34:02,765
I don't know. Logically I feel like you have

2444
01:34:02,765 --> 01:34:04,845
to have Songs in the Key of Life first for bad girls

2445
01:34:05,185 --> 01:34:07,445
to make sense and be the blockbuster that it was.

2446
01:34:07,515 --> 01:34:09,525
This is a great, this is a great pick, man. Yeah.

2447
01:34:09,665 --> 01:34:12,525
Out next, this would flow, right? Yeah. Yeah.

2448
01:34:13,445 --> 01:34:14,845
I mean, it's, it's two years later

2449
01:34:15,105 --> 01:34:17,365
and it sounds like two years later, three years later.

2450
01:34:17,515 --> 01:34:19,405
Yeah. But it makes sense.

2451
01:34:20,085 --> 01:34:21,165
I love this track too, man.

2452
01:34:21,235 --> 01:34:23,765
It's such a reminder we talked about earlier from like the

2453
01:34:23,765 --> 01:34:25,245
early seventies to the mid seventies,

2454
01:34:25,245 --> 01:34:27,245
which would take us right to songs of Key

2455
01:34:27,245 --> 01:34:29,405
to Life technologically with music

2456
01:34:29,465 --> 01:34:31,885
and instruments being such a rapid expansion

2457
01:34:31,885 --> 01:34:32,885
and recording technology.

2458
01:34:32,945 --> 01:34:35,165
But from 75 to 78

2459
01:34:35,185 --> 01:34:38,245
and 79, then you get into Off the Wall, huge jump.

2460
01:34:38,405 --> 01:34:41,125
I mean, the seventies was huge jump, big, big jumps in there

2461
01:34:41,265 --> 01:34:42,265
For mine. I'm gonna go,

2462
01:34:42,265 --> 01:34:44,085
I'm gonna do a first here on this podcast.

2463
01:34:44,345 --> 01:34:46,805
Yes. I've never actually done an up Next

2464
01:34:46,825 --> 01:34:48,845
and recommended a podcast,

2465
01:34:49,025 --> 01:34:50,565
but I'm gonna recommend The Wonder

2466
01:34:50,565 --> 01:34:53,605
of Stevie Brilliant podcast that was released last year

2467
01:34:54,125 --> 01:34:56,925
covering this period that was great of Stevie's career.

2468
01:34:57,185 --> 01:34:58,125
If you haven't checked out the

2469
01:34:58,125 --> 01:34:59,245
Wonder of Stevie, go listen to it.

2470
01:34:59,365 --> 01:35:00,365
I will also throw in there posted

2471
01:35:00,365 --> 01:35:02,005
By my friend Wesley Morris. Wesley Morris

2472
01:35:02,175 --> 01:35:03,175
Grace. Amazing.

2473
01:35:03,175 --> 01:35:06,845
And, uh, if you want some music that you might pair

2474
01:35:06,845 --> 01:35:09,525
with this for me, we mentioned Secrets released in the same

2475
01:35:09,525 --> 01:35:11,005
year from Herbie Hancock, who is

2476
01:35:11,185 --> 01:35:12,965
of course playing Rhodes on As,

2477
01:35:12,985 --> 01:35:15,005
but I think Secrets would pair nicely with this.

2478
01:35:15,195 --> 01:35:16,685
Okay, so two. You got two again.

2479
01:35:16,755 --> 01:35:17,805
Okay. Sorry. I'm good to know.

2480
01:35:17,965 --> 01:35:19,805
I'm, I'm, I'm spoiled here. Uh, who's

2481
01:35:19,805 --> 01:35:20,485
The guest? Who's the guest?

2482
01:35:20,805 --> 01:35:22,005
Quibble Bits. Quibble bits.

2483
01:35:22,005 --> 01:35:22,925
Chris, why don't you start it off?

2484
01:35:22,925 --> 01:35:23,805
What are your quibble bits?

2485
01:35:24,585 --> 01:35:26,845
My quibble bit is joy inside my Tears,

2486
01:35:27,255 --> 01:35:29,205
which I love the groove on that track,

2487
01:35:29,385 --> 01:35:31,285
but it goes on for six and a half minutes,

2488
01:35:31,465 --> 01:35:33,965
and I sort of feel like it doesn't modulate enough.

2489
01:35:34,385 --> 01:35:36,885
That's, I wouldn't say I ever skipped that track.

2490
01:35:37,125 --> 01:35:40,205
I don't, yeah. But it could have been four minutes

2491
01:35:40,265 --> 01:35:41,725
and it would've been fine with me.

2492
01:35:41,785 --> 01:35:42,805
That's my cripple bit.

2493
01:35:43,485 --> 01:35:44,605
I love the bass on this track.

2494
01:35:45,645 --> 01:35:50,485
I, I do too. I've

2495
01:35:50,485 --> 01:35:51,525
Always come to,

2496
01:35:52,635 --> 01:35:55,045
This is another Stevie Voice. Totally different voice.

2497
01:35:55,945 --> 01:35:57,005
Yes. Yeah.

2498
01:35:57,265 --> 01:35:59,565
Uh, my quibble bit is actually, we mentioned

2499
01:35:59,585 --> 01:36:01,925
how long this is, but not long enough.

2500
01:36:02,305 --> 01:36:03,645
I'm say that Stevie Lazy,

2501
01:36:05,475 --> 01:36:07,005
This Is like when you do a job interview

2502
01:36:07,005 --> 01:36:08,925
and you say, oh, my greatest flaw is not, I'm too much of a

2503
01:36:09,395 --> 01:36:10,395
Yeah, yeah. My greatest flaw

2504
01:36:10,395 --> 01:36:11,205
is I care too much.

2505
01:36:11,645 --> 01:36:13,045
I care too much. I help others too

2506
01:36:13,045 --> 01:36:14,045
Much. No, you know what it is. It's

2507
01:36:14,045 --> 01:36:14,525
so brilliant.

2508
01:36:14,605 --> 01:36:17,645
I could honestly live in this album for it three hours.

2509
01:36:17,645 --> 01:36:19,085
Yeah, I really could. Um,

2510
01:36:19,305 --> 01:36:21,325
So I'm trying to remember when we did Innervisions

2511
01:36:21,665 --> 01:36:23,685
or, um, any of the others.

2512
01:36:23,755 --> 01:36:26,165
They, I, I, I don't remember ever being able to really,

2513
01:36:26,285 --> 01:36:28,205
I always want to come up with a quibble bit

2514
01:36:28,205 --> 01:36:29,805
and I don't wanna be such a fan.

2515
01:36:30,425 --> 01:36:32,365
The only thing I can say is maybe,

2516
01:36:32,545 --> 01:36:33,765
I'm sorry, did you finish with your

2517
01:36:33,825 --> 01:36:34,825
I'm done. Ridiculousness. I'm done. Thank you.

2518
01:36:34,825 --> 01:36:34,845

2519
01:36:34,855 --> 01:36:35,685
Thank you. Thank you. Because

2520
01:36:35,685 --> 01:36:36,685
You usually have two. Um,

2521
01:36:36,685 --> 01:36:40,365
no, it would be, I mean, this is such a minor thing.

2522
01:36:41,085 --> 01:36:43,245
I think the mix on this record is incredible.

2523
01:36:43,485 --> 01:36:45,845
I think the mastering of it, careful, I think the sound,

2524
01:36:46,225 --> 01:36:49,365
the drums are so, like hearing it in headphones again,

2525
01:36:49,365 --> 01:36:50,405
which I haven't done in a while.

2526
01:36:51,265 --> 01:36:56,085
The, the drums are, are panned so heavy right

2527
01:36:56,085 --> 01:36:59,245
and left certain parts of them that it, I, it's, it's,

2528
01:36:59,245 --> 01:37:01,325
it's just a particular way of doing it, you know,

2529
01:37:01,785 --> 01:37:04,605
but I think that it almost is a little distracting.

2530
01:37:04,605 --> 01:37:06,485
But I mean, we are talking the quibb list

2531
01:37:06,585 --> 01:37:07,845
of the bits right here,

2532
01:37:07,845 --> 01:37:10,045
because I think it's genius level mix.

2533
01:37:10,265 --> 01:37:11,485
You mean compared to the drum sound

2534
01:37:11,485 --> 01:37:12,645
on like Innervisions or Music

2535
01:37:13,035 --> 01:37:14,035
Mind or something like that? Sure, for sure on

2536
01:37:14,035 --> 01:37:15,405
there. But even compared to,

2537
01:37:15,405 --> 01:37:17,445
and then this was a little bit of a stylistic thing in the

2538
01:37:17,445 --> 01:37:18,725
mid seventies is to do that.

2539
01:37:18,835 --> 01:37:20,965
It's like, and I mentioned earlier about in terms

2540
01:37:20,965 --> 01:37:22,725
of placement within the mix, so important,

2541
01:37:22,785 --> 01:37:23,965
so many different things happening.

2542
01:37:24,825 --> 01:37:27,405
Um, Stevie's range in terms of vocals,

2543
01:37:27,765 --> 01:37:28,965
possibly taking over everything,

2544
01:37:28,965 --> 01:37:31,725
but then having, you know, nothing is flat on this record.

2545
01:37:31,735 --> 01:37:33,765
Everything is, but like the drums are

2546
01:37:33,765 --> 01:37:34,885
so much wider than everything.

2547
01:37:34,885 --> 01:37:37,765
They pushed them so far to the right, right. And left minor

2548
01:37:37,965 --> 01:37:38,965
Quibble bit. So Stevie is Stevie

2549
01:37:38,965 --> 01:37:40,125
producer of this album.

2550
01:37:40,145 --> 01:37:41,805
So I hope, I hope he's listening

2551
01:37:41,805 --> 01:37:42,925
right now and took your note.

2552
01:37:42,925 --> 01:37:45,845
Peter, thanks to the note. Uh, okay. Remix. Remix, please.

2553
01:37:45,965 --> 01:37:48,045
Stevie, uh, is this project locked? Stevie,

2554
01:37:48,545 --> 01:37:49,545
Uh, okay.

2555
01:37:49,765 --> 01:37:51,685
S speedometer. Chris, what do you have?

2556
01:37:52,915 --> 01:37:54,405
This is on a scale of one to 10, right?

2557
01:37:54,405 --> 01:37:57,085
Correct. First of all, let warn you

2558
01:37:57,085 --> 01:37:58,525
Chris, I'm, I'm, I'm new to this concept.

2559
01:37:58,755 --> 01:38:00,485
Explain what it's, no

2560
01:38:00,485 --> 01:38:01,485
One understands it. Nobody understand.

2561
01:38:01,485 --> 01:38:02,405
No one understands it.

2562
01:38:02,545 --> 01:38:06,445
So the idea is that I'm, go ahead.

2563
01:38:06,825 --> 01:38:10,045
One is a very accessible, a very courage.

2564
01:38:10,225 --> 01:38:11,365
An example, a very commercial,

2565
01:38:11,745 --> 01:38:14,565
he viable album thriller would be a number one.

2566
01:38:14,715 --> 01:38:17,285
Okay. A 10 would be like a Cecil Taylor album.

2567
01:38:17,915 --> 01:38:22,165
That is a very snobby album that is not for the masses,

2568
01:38:22,275 --> 01:38:24,165
that is for music snobs. Yeah.

2569
01:38:24,395 --> 01:38:26,605
Yeah. I think I understood it

2570
01:38:26,705 --> 01:38:28,925
and when I thought about this, I gave it a four mm.

2571
01:38:28,925 --> 01:38:32,365
Because I feel like there's a lot here for music snobs

2572
01:38:32,505 --> 01:38:36,005
and the muchness of the album is a lot to digest,

2573
01:38:36,185 --> 01:38:38,725
and yet it's very accessible, right?

2574
01:38:38,725 --> 01:38:41,965
Mm-hmm. So it's making a lot of concepts

2575
01:38:42,355 --> 01:38:45,565
that would be inaccessible accessible to a pop audience.

2576
01:38:45,705 --> 01:38:47,205
Yes. What do you have? I think that

2577
01:38:47,225 --> 01:38:48,445
No, I, that's honestly the best

2578
01:38:48,805 --> 01:38:50,165
snb oter rating we've ever had. Oh

2579
01:38:50,165 --> 01:38:51,165
No. I say stuff like that all

2580
01:38:51,165 --> 01:38:51,525
the time

2581
01:38:51,665 --> 01:38:52,685
and you're like, you don't, why

2582
01:38:52,685 --> 01:38:53,805
don't we throw away this stuff up?

2583
01:38:53,805 --> 01:38:55,285
Peter, you've been a five on the thermometer

2584
01:38:55,415 --> 01:38:57,005
every episode this season.

2585
01:38:57,075 --> 01:38:58,125
Well, that's not true. Not

2586
01:38:58,125 --> 01:38:59,485
what do you got right now? Lemme guess. Lemme guess,

2587
01:38:59,485 --> 01:39:00,485
Guess what you have? I'm gonna go,

2588
01:39:00,485 --> 01:39:02,925
Chris, we got Chris has a four. I like it.

2589
01:39:02,965 --> 01:39:04,205
I respect it. I'm not gonna

2590
01:39:04,205 --> 01:39:05,325
go exactly there, but you, you go

2591
01:39:05,325 --> 01:39:06,485
First. I have a three. Of

2592
01:39:06,485 --> 01:39:07,485
Course you do.

2593
01:39:07,715 --> 01:39:09,165
Explain that. What is

2594
01:39:09,165 --> 01:39:10,165
That? So a three

2595
01:39:10,165 --> 01:39:12,765
is just a little bit more on the commercial side

2596
01:39:12,765 --> 01:39:15,565
of things than I think what, where Chris is on it.

2597
01:39:15,885 --> 01:39:17,205
I think it's very accessible.

2598
01:39:17,285 --> 01:39:19,525
I think it's got a ton of tracks that you play at weddings

2599
01:39:19,525 --> 01:39:20,965
that are number one hits.

2600
01:39:21,165 --> 01:39:23,165
I think if you're on now, especially with the context

2601
01:39:23,185 --> 01:39:24,965
of this show, Peter, where we talk about people like

2602
01:39:24,965 --> 01:39:26,405
Felonious Monk and Art Tatum,

2603
01:39:26,875 --> 01:39:29,565
like this is incredibly accessible. What do you got?

2604
01:39:29,765 --> 01:39:31,125
I got five. I knew it.

2605
01:39:31,665 --> 01:39:33,405
No, the reason being similar to Chris,

2606
01:39:33,405 --> 01:39:36,125
but I would say it's almost down like to me, like

2607
01:39:36,145 --> 01:39:39,765
how can you call, you know, you know, the, the first,

2608
01:39:40,065 --> 01:39:42,125
the only records is to debut

2609
01:39:42,985 --> 01:39:45,045
debuts on the billboard top pop charts.

2610
01:39:45,065 --> 01:39:48,045
Yes. Top top albums number one and stays there for 13 weeks.

2611
01:39:48,225 --> 01:39:50,205
So how is that any snobby at all

2612
01:39:50,205 --> 01:39:51,925
that would make it a one on the thermometer?

2613
01:39:51,985 --> 01:39:54,525
That's like, that's like universal appeal out the gate

2614
01:39:54,525 --> 01:39:55,605
and yet, and yet,

2615
01:39:55,705 --> 01:39:57,685
and yet then we, all these things

2616
01:39:57,685 --> 01:40:00,205
that we picked out here would make it a 10 in terms

2617
01:40:00,205 --> 01:40:01,285
of like the panatonics

2618
01:40:01,285 --> 01:40:03,165
and he's going to the tritone sub and all this, the

2619
01:40:03,165 --> 01:40:03,845
Complexity. Yeah,

2620
01:40:03,865 --> 01:40:06,725
The complexity of it, like the nuances of it, the range

2621
01:40:06,865 --> 01:40:09,845
of it is kind of crazy in terms of stylistic range.

2622
01:40:09,845 --> 01:40:10,965
So that would make it 10. Okay.

2623
01:40:10,965 --> 01:40:12,805
So if you average 10 and one you come to five.

2624
01:40:13,275 --> 01:40:15,965
Okay. I'm not gonna shame your Sonometer score. Uh,

2625
01:40:16,605 --> 01:40:18,205
I also think there's something about the length,

2626
01:40:18,205 --> 01:40:19,685
and this may have something to do with the difference

2627
01:40:19,685 --> 01:40:22,205
between Peter's three, or excuse me, Adam's three

2628
01:40:22,385 --> 01:40:24,245
and my four, which is

2629
01:40:24,245 --> 01:40:26,085
that you think the album could be even

2630
01:40:26,085 --> 01:40:27,125
longer than it's I do.

2631
01:40:27,125 --> 01:40:29,805
Yeah. I have my, I have always been closer to the camp

2632
01:40:29,805 --> 01:40:31,125
that thinks it's over long,

2633
01:40:31,125 --> 01:40:33,165
particularly when you include the bonus 45.

2634
01:40:33,275 --> 01:40:36,765
Yeah. And there's probably a tighter version of this album,

2635
01:40:36,985 --> 01:40:38,325
but what would you throw out?

2636
01:40:38,355 --> 01:40:40,565
Like, I, I can't think of what you would throw out. Yeah.

2637
01:40:40,565 --> 01:40:44,405
So, um, something about the length also has something to do

2638
01:40:44,405 --> 01:40:45,605
with the snob Oter, I think.

2639
01:40:46,165 --> 01:40:47,925
Absolutely. Is it better than kind of blue?

2640
01:40:47,945 --> 01:40:49,245
Is it better than Miles Davis's?

2641
01:40:49,365 --> 01:40:51,725
1959 Masterpiece kind of blue. Peter, what do you have?

2642
01:40:52,245 --> 01:40:54,365
I got maybe on this also

2643
01:40:54,435 --> 01:40:56,125
What you've had the last every episode this

2644
01:40:56,125 --> 01:40:57,125
Season. No, I haven't. That's not

2645
01:40:57,125 --> 01:40:58,885
true. La a couple times you,

2646
01:40:59,205 --> 01:41:01,565
A couple times you have even, yeah,

2647
01:41:02,205 --> 01:41:04,325
Actually I'm gonna say probably not, but closer.

2648
01:41:04,705 --> 01:41:06,925
Clo closer than one would think.

2649
01:41:07,215 --> 01:41:09,555
Chris, what do you have? Uh,

2650
01:41:09,695 --> 01:41:11,755
it is not better than kind of blue.

2651
01:41:11,855 --> 01:41:14,435
I'm only judging this on how much I play those two albums.

2652
01:41:14,675 --> 01:41:17,835
I am the quintessential pop guy who plays kind of blue.

2653
01:41:17,835 --> 01:41:19,355
Sure. A lot. I'm not a jazz guy,

2654
01:41:19,355 --> 01:41:20,435
but kind of blue is perfect.

2655
01:41:20,585 --> 01:41:21,995
Yeah. I can put it on anytime.

2656
01:41:21,995 --> 01:41:23,595
When you're in the mood, kind of blue is the thing

2657
01:41:23,595 --> 01:41:24,915
that scratches a itch that only kind

2658
01:41:24,915 --> 01:41:26,475
of blue s you know, satisfies.

2659
01:41:27,055 --> 01:41:31,315
Um, I don't play this in full

2660
01:41:31,975 --> 01:41:33,395
as much as I play kind of blue.

2661
01:41:33,675 --> 01:41:36,355
I, I dip in and out of this album a lot, so Yeah.

2662
01:41:37,275 --> 01:41:38,875
I love that. We should probably adopt,

2663
01:41:38,875 --> 01:41:39,955
think about adopting this.

2664
01:41:40,155 --> 01:41:43,515
I love that Chris is like, we always, I think we started

2665
01:41:43,515 --> 01:41:45,675
to overthink the better than ki kind of, I mean, like

2666
01:41:45,675 --> 01:41:47,675
what I'm hearing from you, Chris, is you took this

2667
01:41:47,695 --> 01:41:50,515
as literally, the proof is in the pudding in terms of

2668
01:41:50,655 --> 01:41:53,915
how you react, not what you think you should be doing, not

2669
01:41:53,915 --> 01:41:56,235
what you think people should think of you.

2670
01:41:57,155 --> 01:41:58,435
I hear what you're saying. I'm, I'm trying

2671
01:41:58,435 --> 01:41:59,755
to be a little objective as well

2672
01:41:59,755 --> 01:42:01,955
because like, what, what is kind of blue?

2673
01:42:01,955 --> 01:42:04,515
It's the most perfect album in its genre, right? Yeah.

2674
01:42:04,575 --> 01:42:08,795
So I'm not sure that you can say that songs The Key

2675
01:42:08,795 --> 01:42:11,235
of Life is the most perfect album in its genre, right?

2676
01:42:11,235 --> 01:42:13,115
And it's, and it's quite long. So, well we've

2677
01:42:13,115 --> 01:42:13,915
Talked, it might not even be the most

2678
01:42:13,915 --> 01:42:14,795
perfect Stevie album.

2679
01:42:15,005 --> 01:42:16,155
We've talked about this 'cause often

2680
01:42:16,455 --> 01:42:17,555
To be like, it's not as Innervisions

2681
01:42:17,555 --> 01:42:19,515
as his most perfect album, in my opinion, but that's me.

2682
01:42:19,695 --> 01:42:21,115
But the question is, is it better?

2683
01:42:21,125 --> 01:42:24,315
Which implies it's a personal taste, right?

2684
01:42:24,315 --> 01:42:26,595
It's your personal taste and the proof is in the pudding.

2685
01:42:26,595 --> 01:42:28,595
It's like, which one do you put on more?

2686
01:42:28,935 --> 01:42:31,525
For me, I put on songs in the Key

2687
01:42:31,525 --> 01:42:33,085
of Life more than I put on kind of blue.

2688
01:42:33,105 --> 01:42:34,325
Oh, snap. I've listened

2689
01:42:34,325 --> 01:42:35,405
to it more in my life respect

2690
01:42:35,405 --> 01:42:36,685
than I've probably listened to kind of blue.

2691
01:42:36,685 --> 01:42:38,925
So I'm gonna say yes, it is better than kind of blue. Okay.

2692
01:42:39,205 --> 01:42:41,245
I like that. I like the flag that you've planted. I

2693
01:42:41,245 --> 01:42:42,725
Like the firmness of that. Thank

2694
01:42:42,725 --> 01:42:43,725
You very much. Oh, it's

2695
01:42:43,725 --> 01:42:45,245
not a firm flag. I can kick that thing over.

2696
01:42:45,315 --> 01:42:46,325
Very don't, don't worry.

2697
01:42:47,665 --> 01:42:50,045
Uh, Kuman, uh, Peter, why

2698
01:42:50,045 --> 01:42:51,045
Don't you go first, Chris? I mean, this

2699
01:42:51,045 --> 01:42:53,005
is 10. 10 outta 10. 10 outta 10. Perfect.

2700
01:42:53,005 --> 01:42:54,885
Like the art, the, it like, it speaks

2701
01:42:54,905 --> 01:42:56,245
to the time the booklet.

2702
01:42:56,245 --> 01:42:57,485
Thanks for the reminder on that, Chris.

2703
01:42:57,605 --> 01:42:59,165
I still remember what that feels like. I still have it.

2704
01:42:59,185 --> 01:43:01,085
The 45 Genius.

2705
01:43:01,275 --> 01:43:02,565
That wasn't the first time that was done,

2706
01:43:02,565 --> 01:43:04,605
but I think this is kind of the most, the way that

2707
01:43:04,605 --> 01:43:06,005
that was done, probably one

2708
01:43:06,005 --> 01:43:08,165
of the most famous times, the double album.

2709
01:43:09,165 --> 01:43:11,085
I mean, even like the, the, what is it?

2710
01:43:11,145 --> 01:43:14,445
Tamala, Motown, you know, on the lp the,

2711
01:43:14,505 --> 01:43:15,725
the, the label on that is

2712
01:43:15,725 --> 01:43:16,725
Beautiful. Oh, Tamala

2713
01:43:16,725 --> 01:43:18,405
had a, had a beautiful Yeah. Label.

2714
01:43:18,555 --> 01:43:19,965
Yeah. I also have a 10 Outta 10.

2715
01:43:20,005 --> 01:43:23,045
I, I just can't imagine it getting much better than this.

2716
01:43:23,045 --> 01:43:24,045
Chris, what do you got?

2717
01:43:24,885 --> 01:43:27,645
I was gonna give it an eight. I I may go up to a nine.

2718
01:43:27,785 --> 01:43:29,365
Uh, I wish the sleeves

2719
01:43:29,365 --> 01:43:31,485
that held the LPs were a little prettier.

2720
01:43:31,505 --> 01:43:32,725
Wow. They were a little plain.

2721
01:43:33,025 --> 01:43:35,325
That's a quibble that I like that. That's a

2722
01:43:35,345 --> 01:43:36,345
And also Deep cut.

2723
01:43:37,065 --> 01:43:40,645
And also Stevie Wonder album Art as beautiful

2724
01:43:40,645 --> 01:43:41,725
as the cover of this album is.

2725
01:43:41,725 --> 01:43:44,525
And it is beautiful. I don't know, I I kind

2726
01:43:44,525 --> 01:43:45,605
of love Innervisions

2727
01:43:45,605 --> 01:43:47,445
and maybe even fulfilling this a little bit more.

2728
01:43:47,445 --> 01:43:50,965
Mm-hmm. Um, but the, these are minor quibbles.

2729
01:43:51,045 --> 01:43:53,165
It's, it's at least a nine if not a 10.

2730
01:43:53,365 --> 01:43:54,565
I wouldn't argue with y'all's 10.

2731
01:43:54,755 --> 01:43:56,525
Well, and then maybe you're bringing in

2732
01:43:56,525 --> 01:43:59,085
and we probably are in a certain, like the two year weight,

2733
01:43:59,235 --> 01:44:02,125
it's like now everybody's demanding perfection for every,

2734
01:44:02,125 --> 01:44:04,085
like, like you say, you gotta go to the sleeves

2735
01:44:04,085 --> 01:44:07,125
of the actual lp and I think you delivered on the music

2736
01:44:07,185 --> 01:44:09,365
and hey, you gotta come on Stevie.

2737
01:44:09,365 --> 01:44:11,165
Are you listening? You gotta get the drum mix together

2738
01:44:11,165 --> 01:44:12,205
and get your sleeves together.

2739
01:44:12,675 --> 01:44:13,965
Then you'll have the perfect album.

2740
01:44:14,795 --> 01:44:16,525
It's like we have some nerve even bringing this.

2741
01:44:16,925 --> 01:44:17,845
I know, right? I know.

2742
01:44:18,145 --> 01:44:19,285
That's the fun of it. That's fun.

2743
01:44:19,285 --> 01:44:20,965
It is the fun of it. And, uh, yeah.

2744
01:44:21,015 --> 01:44:23,685
Chris Mefi of, uh, the Hit Parade podcast.

2745
01:44:23,695 --> 01:44:26,045
Thank you so much for being here with us today. Thank

2746
01:44:26,045 --> 01:44:27,045
You. This was so much fun. It

2747
01:44:27,045 --> 01:44:27,245

2748
01:44:27,245 --> 01:44:28,245
Was really a blast.

2749
01:44:28,245 --> 01:44:29,525
Everybody go check out Hip Parade.

2750
01:44:29,525 --> 01:44:31,125
We're gonna link to the show so

2751
01:44:31,125 --> 01:44:33,005
that you can check Chris's podcast out.

2752
01:44:33,005 --> 01:44:35,965
It's fantastic. All of the, the chart talk

2753
01:44:36,275 --> 01:44:38,965
that you guys do over there is just fantastic

2754
01:44:39,225 --> 01:44:40,285
and appreciate your time with us.

2755
01:44:40,345 --> 01:44:42,685
And if any of our listeners want an antidote to us, like,

2756
01:44:42,985 --> 01:44:44,685
you know, bluing through

2757
01:44:44,705 --> 01:44:47,645
and messing up the charts as we talk about it, go over

2758
01:44:47,645 --> 01:44:49,125
to Hip Parade where they get the s**t right.

2759
01:44:49,185 --> 01:44:49,885
You know what I'm saying?

2760
01:44:50,285 --> 01:44:51,405
Because I, because I know one thing.

2761
01:44:51,405 --> 01:44:53,405
I've listened to Hip. They're talking about tritone

2762
01:44:53,405 --> 01:44:54,725
substitutions and screwing those up.

2763
01:44:54,755 --> 01:44:55,965
They are not. We, we gotta get our,

2764
01:44:55,965 --> 01:44:57,165
our chart game together. We, we are not

2765
01:44:58,025 --> 01:44:59,365
Really, you should be listening to both.

2766
01:44:59,365 --> 01:45:00,365
They compliment that. There

2767
01:45:00,365 --> 01:45:01,365
You go. That's

2768
01:45:01,365 --> 01:45:02,045
what they just listened to.

2769
01:45:02,995 --> 01:45:04,765
Till next time You'll Hear It.

2770
01:49:19,865 --> 01:49:20,155
Yeah.