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Thanks for watching!

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what is up everybody it's the chairman of

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the united states department of nerds

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where we are for the people by the

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people and of the people and ladies and

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gentlemen tonight i got a big one for

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you because the snow is falling a candle

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is flickering and somewhere in the dark a

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sultry whisper cuts the silence this year

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christmas comes three times

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And welcome back, everybody.

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Joining me today on a launch day

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celebration are Clay Adams and David

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Schrader of Bloodline Comics.

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And they're coming here today to present

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to y'all a very Carmilla Christmas Carol,

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which is a sexy supernatural revamp.

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of Dickens' iconic holiday classic

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launching today on Kickstarter,

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which just funded as of about an hour

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and a half ago, if I'm not mistaken.

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Clay, David, welcome to the show, fellas.

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Mr. Chairman, thanks for having us.

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Nice to be here, Mr. Chairman.

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Guys, how's it feel?

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You got a late launch today.

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at four pm and you were fully funded

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before y'all's dinner time yeah it was

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pretty nice uh i can't complain it's uh

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it's tracking very well um you know like

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we were talking beforehand uh got a little

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bit of a later start than we're used

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to um but uh we got it together

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just in time and uh yeah it's going

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like gangbusters

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These things always come together at the

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last minute sometimes.

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No matter how much you plan,

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there's always some loose ends.

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And Clay does the lion's share of

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physically, not physically,

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but building the website.

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Digitally.

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Digitally building the Kickstarter.

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Fingers behind it.

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Yes.

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And so it's a lot of work,

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a lot of moving parts.

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And I give him all the credit for

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being the engine that drives these things.

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Ah, you're too kind.

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We're a team.

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And for everybody,

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David is the mind though,

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that wrote the book.

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No, not this one.

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Not this one, no.

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I think I had the germ of the

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idea and then we kind of went back

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and forth on it.

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And then the main thing was that I

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had an idea to kind of bring it

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into a present or near future.

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And Clay thought we were going to do

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more of a traditional,

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let's set her in the Dickens era Christmas

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carol because she could have been there.

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She's that old.

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But we...

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We said,

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let's change this up and let's make it

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a little different.

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So I kind of wanted to kind of

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make it a more of a modern take

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on it.

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And then clay is always good at kind

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of shaping some of my crazier ideas and

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honing it.

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So we do work well together in that

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way.

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Yeah,

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Dave had the idea to sort of make

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it kind of a modern day or near

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present future commentary on current

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events.

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Yeah, it's not Ebenezer Scrooge.

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It's Elanizer Spooge is our character that

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she had dealings with in the nineties in

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Silicon Valley.

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And so they have a history and she

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comes back to haunt him.

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Yeah,

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so Dave worked out a pretty extensive

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story Bible.

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And I just,

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I kind of took some of his opening

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scene and kind of the synopses that he

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wrote down and, you know,

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helped whip it into shape.

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But it's a team effort for sure.

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So what drove y'all to want to take

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the Dickens Classic and bring it to

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Carmilla, which is a wonderful idea.

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I've been following y'all's story with

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Carmilla for quite some time now.

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But what was like, like,

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we got to do something for Christmas or

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was it just like Carmilla,

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Dickens Classic, let's do it.

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I think it kind of was like that.

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I mean, I think, uh, first of all,

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thank you for the, for your support, um,

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uh, for following the book.

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Um, we've, we, you know,

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we launched the first one, uh,

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in a few years ago and, uh,

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it did, it did pretty well, but we,

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we've learned a little bit more about how

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to run a Kickstarter since then.

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And so, uh, you know,

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we did earlier this year and that, uh,

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really took off.

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And so that was the Miami Heat or.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Miami Bites.

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Yeah.

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Miami Bites.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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That was.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, that one was a lot of fun.

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And, you know, the book came out great.

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The campaign went gangbusters.

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And so I think we were like,

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what can we do next with her?

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And I don't honestly remember how we came

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up with the idea of doing Christmas

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Carols.

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I think part of it is we've always

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tended to launch either Nightmare Theater,

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which is our horror anthologies,

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or Carmilla in October,

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like Halloween time,

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even though we did Miami Bites in the

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beginning of this year.

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So we thought, well,

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are we going to do another one in

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October?

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uh let's go for the holidays and let's

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bridge the holidays i know the holidays

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aren't traditionally like where you want

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to launch a kickstarter although we

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noticed today there was like literally

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like one kickstarters going like i had no

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idea you just never know um yeah and

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you really never know how these things are

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gonna go but it seems like there is

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an audience thirst for carmilla uh the

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character i i think the idea of taking

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this novella and this character that has

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these

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you know very Victorian kind of um

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conservative kind of uh stories that are

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that are you know kind of

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close to the vest.

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They're not crazy, right?

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Like,

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I don't know if you saw the movie

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Carmilla in twenty nineteen or even some

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of the other offshoots.

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And I know Amy Chu did a book,

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Carmilla, and people with it a little bit.

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But we wanted to really take her and

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and extrapolate some of the almost

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superpowers that she has from that

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novella.

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I mean, she can move through walls.

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She can move through objects.

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She can turn.

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No, I think I'm

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Carmilla like justice compared to any

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other material that may be out there right

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now on her I think y'all have taken

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her and elevated her to a whole new

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level well thank you for saying that we

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appreciate it so it's nice to hear people

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that actually have checked the book out

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and like it and and you know there's

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things that you could do with this that

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might just fall into the trap of

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everything else you see with the sexy

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vampire book but we wanted to really

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kind of turn it on its head yeah

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there is sex and violence obviously but

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the reason we set carmela's in was it

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was the modern dawn of women's rights and

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so the idea was that how long can

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a vampire live until she finds meaning and

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in her meaning it's like who do i

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kill am i just gonna feed on young

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girls like she does in the novella or

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is she gonna start taking out larger

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targets

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And so those targets grow.

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And the idea that you could jump around

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with a vampire into any era is kind

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of fun too.

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You don't have to say this is issue

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one, two, three, four, five,

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and kind of cram it together.

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You can just move around and follow the

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narrative in a fractured kind of timeline,

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which is a lot of fun because you

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can just choose whatever.

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I just thought the holiday idea just

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worked really well.

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And like the covers we were able to

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get for this,

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like the tie-ins have been fantastic.

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The covers were great for this book.

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I was trying to,

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just like everybody else probably was

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earlier today when the book launched,

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then I got home and I finally had

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five minutes to breathe and sit down.

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I was like,

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which cover do I want now?

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And I'm like,

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you do the standard scroll and you're

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like, scroll back up and you're like,

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Damn.

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Why are they going to make this difficult?

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Chairman, it's like a Pokemon.

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You've got to get them all.

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That's right.

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You've got to catch them all.

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There's a tier for it.

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Yeah, we're evil like that.

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We like to make it tough.

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It's the best kind of evil, though.

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It's the best kind of evil.

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I mean, Pokemon does it.

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Why not y'all?

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That's right.

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That's right.

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But what made y'all decide to go back

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to Elaniser Scrooge?

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Or Elaniser Spooge?

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Spooge, yeah.

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For this one.

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That's a mouthful, so to speak.

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It's a mouthful.

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Not a really nice mouthful, actually.

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So to speak.

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That's why you got the so to speak

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on there.

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What did y'all revisit with him?

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I mean, it's a great character,

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and I love it,

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and it's cool that you're kind of like

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reaching back and pulling him

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Well, I mean, so like Dave said,

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I mean,

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the idea behind the whole Carmilla series,

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right,

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is that she's like a vampire Dexter.

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She only kills the bad guys.

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And so we thought Ebenezer Scrooge... Now,

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I don't even know their names anymore.

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I'm getting them confused.

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Ebenezer Scrooge was sort of...

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you know,

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would have been someone she would have

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gone after, you know, uh,

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here's a miserly guy who treats his

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employees very poorly.

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And, uh, and so that's exactly the,

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the kind of person that she would try

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to take out.

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And so, um, you know, I,

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I think in my original conception that

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this was just going to be a fairly

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straightforward Dickens adaptation, uh,

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that was the idea.

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And so, uh,

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Dave had the brilliant idea of, uh,

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of making him Elanizer Spooge,

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which I am compelled to say that bears

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no resemblance to anyone living or dead.

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Yeah.

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The lawyers have called, Clay, please.

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Yes, sir.

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No, no.

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The disclaimer is out there.

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But it is also like,

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who is the modern day equivalent of

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Scrooge, right?

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This guy doesn't give the charity.

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He

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He hates Christmas.

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He just hates everything.

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He just seems miserable,

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even though he's fabulously wealthy.

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Like what kind of miserable person do you

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have to be to be that rich and

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still be that miserable?

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Right.

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So let we delve into that a little

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bit.

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Yeah.

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And so we have.

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And again,

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he bears no resemblance to anyone living

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or dead.

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Yeah.

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So we also did some play on words.

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It's like not Bob Cratchit.

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It's Barb Ratchett is his assistant,

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his beleaguered assistant.

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It's not Tiny Tim.

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It's Petite Pete is her son who's got

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like some paternity issues, you know,

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and it just it just was it kind

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of worked effortlessly.

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It just kind of flowed and.

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And it worked.

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You just had to add some sideburns and

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some, you know, some tech stuff.

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And it was a lot of fun.

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And I think Eric Tamayo,

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who did the artwork,

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it just looks really amazing.

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And Alex Seif did the colors.

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And they really like working on these

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books.

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And I think they really hit it out

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of the park with this one,

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as did all the cover artists.

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See,

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I told y'all just before we went live

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that y'all would probably answer some

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questions as we went,

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and that was going to be not the

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next question, but the one right after.

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Which was what?

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Hit me.

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What was it?

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Eric Tamayo and Alex Zeef's colors and

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their art.

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Which is phenomenal, as always.

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They're having fun, and it shows.

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And I think it really comes through in

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the scripts, too,

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because I feel like these books kind of

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write themselves.

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I mean, don't you, Dave?

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It's sort of like,

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how did this all come together?

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They do because it was fun.

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I think we,

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we bounced stuff off of each other.

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There was even like the idea of like,

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you know, he's obsessed with going to,

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I think Clay was like, well,

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he should be going to Mars.

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I was like, not Mars.

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Like, let's make it Uranus.

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And then like, you know, the,

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the assistants, like you're,

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you're obsessed with going to Uranus.

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No one wants to go to Uranus.

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It stinks, you know, like,

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so you're able to just do like these

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play on words.

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And even, even the idea of like Dickens,

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we're able to say like, you know,

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no Dickens required or, or, you know,

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uh get your dickens out it's time for

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carmilla's uh christmas carol like it's

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just it's just fun play on words and

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holiday stuff and so we had a lot

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of fun with it i know that the

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artist did and they really went for it

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like there's a lot in this book where

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clay and i would be like is this

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too much should we scale this back should

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we put a word bubble over this part

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but

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You know,

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I think people kind of know what they're

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getting with this book,

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but it's it's also a little more than

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that.

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Like, we really like to lean.

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My background's in comedy and very dark

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comedy a lot of times.

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And so I love satire and I love

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kind of sticking it to the band.

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And Carmilla just kind of like you can

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do whatever you want with her because she

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doesn't give a shit.

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She's just awesome.

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And so it's really fun to like just

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turn up the volume on her and let

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her go wild.

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yeah we we leaned into the comedy this

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time a little bit more which uh which

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we really haven't i mean not not that

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the other books have been super serious

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but yeah but they they had their moments

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you know it was like the one-liners and

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the zingers and the fun stuff like that

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yeah for sure for sure but we kind

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of amped that up i you know everything's

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kind of kind of turned up to eleven

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in this one though like like final tap

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yeah as it should have been so

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We have our classic goes to past,

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present and future.

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And I can already know y'all turn that

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up to his loving as well.

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How does your version twist that

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tradition?

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Because I know y'all gave it a delicious

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twist in there.

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And just how gorgeous did y'all make these

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ladies for this book?

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Very gorgeous.

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Yeah, you know, we thought about this.

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It really started to come together,

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I think, in nineteen eighty four.

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This idea that Carmilla has the book,

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not the year we were not.

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We weren't we weren't.

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I wasn't thinking of this with the book.

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Carmilla, nineteen eighty.

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I mean,

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you could have been fourteen thinking

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about this.

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Probably.

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Yeah.

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Years in the book.

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No, yeah, sorry.

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In Carmilla Unbound,

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which was our previous issue, Miami Bites,

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aka Miami Bites,

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we really started to explore this idea

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that Carmilla,

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because she's been around for so long,

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she has been putting together this network

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of like-minded associates,

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these other vampires who kind of want to

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help her out.

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Um, and, and, you know,

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maybe at some point we'll go back and

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we'll sort of explore kind of how that

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came together possibly between and ,

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which are the two one shots we've done

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so far.

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Um, but, uh,

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but we really kind of introduced that

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concept in and so, uh, we decided, uh,

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let's make those associates her,

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her ghosts.

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Her helpers in this are in Carmilla,

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Eighty-Four.

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And we kind of laid the groundwork with

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this in Nightmare Theater, too.

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There's a short story that I wrote called

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Carmilla Comes Again,

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and it's set in Seventy-Three in San

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Francisco.

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And she's looking for... I mean,

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if you know the novella Carmilla,

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she's looking for her lost love.

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Her love in that book is named Laura.

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And so she's kind of looking for the

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reincarnation of her lost love.

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So she's on this, like...

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journey of unrequited love to find someone

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that that is her, you know,

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and she's also being hunted by her maker.

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So there's this duality of like looking

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for true love,

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but while on the run from her,

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from her maker and her mother's maker.

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And the idea of having helpers and

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assistants that are vampires and like kind

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of that's who brings her out of the

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grave in the beginning of this book.

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And they are included on the Kickstarter.

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For those wondering,

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you can actually see that in the preview.

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Right.

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Yes.

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It's an awesome way to just kind of

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give them that little bit of.

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Little sugar on top right there,

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right in the beginning.

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A little Easter egg is I did a

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story in Nightmare Theater,

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three D that Eric Tamayo did the,

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the artwork for,

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and it's called unhappy endings.

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And it's a very dark short story,

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but it's a, you know, in the story,

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a guy goes to like a spa,

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it's called spa succubus.

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And he finds on the dark web and

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he,

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I don't know if I should spoil the

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story,

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but Carmilla has a little cameo in that,

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like there's a picture on the wall of

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this spa that she runs where,

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should I spoil that story, Clay?

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I don't think anyone cares, right?

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People may want to buy the book.

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Okay.

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If you get Nightmare Theater,

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there is a Carmilla cameo,

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but the story is great and it's,

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it's very twisted and dark,

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but that's somehow tied into it too.

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Those,

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those assistants are also appear in that

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story.

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It's great that you can just tie

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everything from this little universe

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together in it.

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No matter what year it's in,

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it all makes sense and it all works

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out so well.

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And that's what's great about writing

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vampire stories, right?

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Is that you can, like,

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remember that one thing we did from ten

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years ago and you can reach back in

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there and pull it back over into today.

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So that's really dope that you're able to

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flirt with that, so to speak.

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Yeah.

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And you know,

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I don't know if a ton of stories

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do that.

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I remember Interview with the Vampire.

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I like that part of it in that

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aspect.

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And even the first couple seasons of True

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Blood, if you ever watched that.

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My favorite stuff was seeing Bill in the

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twenties in Chicago.

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And it's like, yes.

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And they have a weariness.

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They have this vampire weariness of, like,

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I am tired of life,

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and they're trying to find meaning.

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And so our idea was to take Carmilla

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to what is her meaning.

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It is to, like,

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I'm going to try to make the world

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a better place by killing bad guys.

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And the longer I live, the richer,

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literally and figuratively,

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my targets become.

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And so in this one,

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it's kind of like the top target.

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And Rice's books do the same thing.

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Like,

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it seems like – I know they got

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Liz Statt making his premiere this year in

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the new season.

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Yeah.

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And that dude just, like,

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he happy on the outside and just

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absolutely a miserable person on the

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inside.

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Just like a clown.

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A killer clown.

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A killer clown, that's right.

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Yeah, Welcome to Derry has been fantastic.

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I don't know if y'all are watching that

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one, but... I haven't checked it out yet,

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but it's on the list.

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I haven't yet.

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It's on the list, too.

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Yeah.

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Bump it to the top.

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That one's been great.

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So we hit it on it earlier.

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You got some fantastic variant covers from

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artists like Emmanuel Taglietti, Flops,

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and Metzi Funk going on for this book.

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How is that deciding who do we want

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to reach out to to see if they

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want to do a variant for this book?

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I imagine that has to be a difficult

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decision to make.

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Well,

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it's always tough because when you know so

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many artists, you want to use everybody.

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And you want everybody to come play in

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the sandbox.

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And unfortunately,

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it's like you can go overboard on the

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variant covers.

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We like to try to limit them.

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You know,

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we do like making it difficult for you

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to make a choice of which one to

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get.

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Mission accomplished.

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But we don't like having too many choices.

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I mean,

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partly because it's just a lot of work

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to get them put up on the page.

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Yeah.

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Especially when you have, you know,

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variations on the variation.

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But, you know,

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there were certain people that we

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definitely wanted, like, you know...

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The Emmanuel Taglietti, I think,

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was the first one we got.

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We had contacted him about getting a cover

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for Nightmare Theater Volume One.

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And he sent us a few options.

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And we were like, well,

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none of these work for Nightmare Theater.

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But this one is perfect for Carmilla.

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This is, I mean,

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absolutely perfect for Very Carmilla

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Christmas Carol.

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And so we told him, you know, okay,

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yeah, we want this one.

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but give us some more options for

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Nightmare Theater.

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So he was the first that we locked

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down.

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And then I think- And it's our first

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Tagliati for Carmilla.

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He's only done our Nightmare Theater

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books.

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Okay.

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And we had done a reprint of volume

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one recently with a Tagliati cover.

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It's beautiful.

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And so you could get volume one, two,

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and three of just the Tagliati hardcovers.

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But this is his first Carmilla one that

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we have, which is pretty cool.

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Go ahead, Clayton.

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Oh yeah.

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No, I, I, then I'm,

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I'm not even sure who came in next,

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but, um, you know, we,

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there's a stable of people that we do

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kind of like to,

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to work with as much as possible.

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You know, Mexifunk, uh,

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turns out some great stuff.

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Flops always, uh, turns in great work,

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you know, and, and,

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and they have fan bases that they bring

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along, but then we also,

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there are other people that we want to

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work in and work with.

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And anyway, Dave, uh,

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No, no, it's Suspiria Land.

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Yeah, that was the other one.

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I wasn't sure how to pronounce that one.

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I always have trouble with it,

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but it's from the movie Suspiria,

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which is a really cool,

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if you've ever seen it, check it out.

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I think I have.

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It's an Italian horror movie that is just

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beautifully shot.

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This has been my year of discovery for

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Italian horror, not just like comic books,

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but also on the cinema side as well.

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Well, yeah,

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I would say check that out because it

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is it's beautifully shot like it's just

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something it's mesmerizing, really.

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So her stuff is just so evocative of

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like those old school posters and like,

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you know,

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we reached out to her because I read

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an interview with her at fan base press

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and I loved her work.

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And so we just kind of reached out

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and she was totally into it.

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She loves horror.

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Right.

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So some of these artists tend towards

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horror anyhow.

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So you're kind of like,

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if they want to work with that and,

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you know,

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sometimes you see them doing Vampirella

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stuff, that's not covers,

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but they're like,

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I would love to do a Vampirella cover.

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So I was like, well,

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Carmilla predates Vampirella.

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Let's, let's, let's have her,

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let's have them get in there.

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So, yeah.

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And, and she's, her stuff is fantastic.

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And who else, Clay,

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did we bring along this time?

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There was one new, well, Eric,

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Eric did a cover for us.

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And then also.

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Yeah.

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Colored by Finn Cram.

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Oh, Daria Heim.

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It's our first cosplay cover, which is,

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yeah, we have some other ones and she's,

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she gave us some fantastic pictures.

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And so we're,

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Those were hard to choose from with the

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cover for that as well.

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And that's a new thing that's kind of

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started in the last couple of years with

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Vampirella and Red Sonja.

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They've been the two biggest ones I've

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seen going with cosplay covers.

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So it's kind of cool to kind of

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see those making appearance in books now.

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And she reached out to us.

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It was like, you know, she's like,

00:24:08.301 --> 00:24:09.962
do you guys would you like a cosplay?

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We haven't really thought about it.

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And this just seemed perfect to do that

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with because, you know,

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a lot of the cosplay loves playing

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vampires and the blood and everything

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else.

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And they can really act in it,

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you know.

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And so that stuff's great.

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And then we just thought, well,

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if we're going to do that and some

00:24:26.313 --> 00:24:27.093
of these other things,

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this is the campaign to do it on.

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Like, let's just go nuts with it.

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We really tried to, like,

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put everything into this campaign.

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Mission accomplished.

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Cause like I said,

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like I may still go back and go

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back to the Kickstarter and pick out a

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couple of more covers.

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If I'm just being honest with myself,

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because yes, I made my decision,

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but I'm sitting there here,

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like even now talking to y'all, I'm like,

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I kind of want that one cover too.

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So I love that whenever the covers are

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just so good.

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And I like those darker,

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like creepy covers, you know?

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So for me,

00:25:02.443 --> 00:25:04.365
it's like the hardest decisions ever is

00:25:04.404 --> 00:25:06.246
picking a good horror cover whenever,

00:25:06.326 --> 00:25:09.028
especially in October when all the good

00:25:09.067 --> 00:25:10.347
horror comic books are hitting the

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shelves.

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And I'm just like, Oh, but that cover,

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I'm like, yeah, but that one cover,

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that's a prison cover on the, um,

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hello darkness.

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And,

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decisions that are like,

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but they're so fun to make.

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So for readers new to Carmilla Unbound,

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is this a perfect jump on spot for

00:25:30.567 --> 00:25:31.166
the series?

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Or would y'all recommend going back and

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catching up with the other two?

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Well, you gotta catch them all.

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Perfect answer.

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But I will say these are all one

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shots.

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So you get a complete story in every

00:25:45.778 --> 00:25:46.420
single issue.

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So if you pick up Nineteen Seventy Three,

00:25:48.682 --> 00:25:49.682
you got a complete story.

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You pick up Nineteen Eighty Four,

00:25:51.045 --> 00:25:51.925
you got a complete story.

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You pick up A Very Carmilla Christmas

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Carol, you get a complete story.

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Um,

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they all sort of have subtle nods to

00:26:00.733 --> 00:26:01.694
each other, you know,

00:26:01.815 --> 00:26:03.695
as we're building and, um,

00:26:03.776 --> 00:26:06.298
and you can kind of see connective tissue

00:26:06.337 --> 00:26:08.298
between them, or you can maybe go, Oh,

00:26:08.378 --> 00:26:11.922
how did she, you know, she ended here,

00:26:12.061 --> 00:26:13.782
but how did she get to this point

00:26:13.982 --> 00:26:16.704
in and we can always go in,

00:26:16.884 --> 00:26:17.826
go back in and fill,

00:26:17.965 --> 00:26:19.666
fill in the gaps at some point,

00:26:19.727 --> 00:26:20.387
you know, we,

00:26:20.407 --> 00:26:22.429
we are sort of telling a, uh,

00:26:22.588 --> 00:26:25.050
a bigger story on a bigger tapestry but

00:26:25.070 --> 00:26:27.873
uh but yes we we very deliberately try

00:26:27.913 --> 00:26:30.214
to make these all a perfect jumping on

00:26:30.275 --> 00:26:37.279
point perfect i like it um so holiday

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horror is a very specific niche you either

00:26:40.001 --> 00:26:42.983
hit it or you drop it like it's

00:26:43.023 --> 00:26:44.965
hot and it's it doesn't work for people

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What separates a very Carmilla Christmas

00:26:48.771 --> 00:26:51.932
Carol from the other guys out there

00:26:51.972 --> 00:26:55.275
bringing in a holiday horror into the

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world, you know,

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during the holiday season?

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Clay, you want to take that?

00:27:02.817 --> 00:27:03.317
You know what?

00:27:03.396 --> 00:27:04.198
You unmuted,

00:27:04.218 --> 00:27:05.198
so I'm going to let you talk.

00:27:05.979 --> 00:27:07.380
I'll start, and if I suck,

00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:10.082
you can fill in.

00:27:10.102 --> 00:27:11.303
You're doing great so far.

00:27:11.383 --> 00:27:12.022
Well, no,

00:27:12.063 --> 00:27:15.065
it's just that A Christmas Carol is a

00:27:15.105 --> 00:27:16.185
gothic horror story,

00:27:16.365 --> 00:27:18.688
and I think doing the research into this,

00:27:18.708 --> 00:27:19.828
because we did do research.

00:27:19.888 --> 00:27:20.789
I watched a lot.

00:27:20.890 --> 00:27:23.551
I read the book again, and like...

00:27:24.712 --> 00:27:27.154
The George C. Scott TV version is,

00:27:27.234 --> 00:27:27.474
I think,

00:27:27.595 --> 00:27:29.957
one of the great versions of Christmas

00:27:29.997 --> 00:27:30.218
Carol.

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And I was surprised at how kind of

00:27:31.739 --> 00:27:32.720
scary it was,

00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:34.662
like how they how they played with that

00:27:34.701 --> 00:27:35.021
horror.

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And I also watched the FX one,

00:27:37.144 --> 00:27:38.444
which was just a couple of years ago

00:27:38.846 --> 00:27:39.686
with Guy Pearce.

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And they did something totally different

00:27:42.128 --> 00:27:42.869
with it as well.

00:27:43.029 --> 00:27:45.531
And I think it was just natural to

00:27:45.571 --> 00:27:47.374
lean into the horror elements of it and

00:27:47.413 --> 00:27:48.375
then bringing her in.

00:27:48.835 --> 00:27:50.616
And having her have a backstory with this

00:27:50.656 --> 00:27:54.119
guy and then making him a version of,

00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:55.381
you know,

00:27:55.721 --> 00:27:58.824
a modern day CEO tech titan guy.

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Who bears no resemblance to anyone living

00:28:01.566 --> 00:28:01.865
or dead.

00:28:01.965 --> 00:28:02.946
Right, right, right.

00:28:03.788 --> 00:28:04.608
So it's just like.

00:28:05.923 --> 00:28:07.685
the idea of that story is already kind

00:28:07.705 --> 00:28:08.586
of a horror story.

00:28:08.646 --> 00:28:10.127
So it's not like, Oh,

00:28:10.229 --> 00:28:11.829
this is a character, you know,

00:28:11.849 --> 00:28:13.392
this is our race car driver and we're

00:28:13.412 --> 00:28:15.755
just going to make it a Christmas horror

00:28:15.914 --> 00:28:16.174
thing.

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You know, it's, it's,

00:28:17.636 --> 00:28:19.239
it kind of had it baked in already

00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:21.020
and it just seemed,

00:28:21.201 --> 00:28:22.462
it just seemed perfect to do it this

00:28:22.502 --> 00:28:24.905
time of year.

00:28:24.945 --> 00:28:25.046
Yeah.

00:28:25.086 --> 00:28:25.666
What Dave said.

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I like it.

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No,

00:28:28.874 --> 00:28:31.636
I love when like the holiday season gets

00:28:31.717 --> 00:28:32.438
good horror,

00:28:32.678 --> 00:28:34.099
especially the Christmas season where

00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:35.442
we're all supposed to be happy and,

00:28:36.001 --> 00:28:37.943
you know, in the spirit.

00:28:38.025 --> 00:28:38.925
And I'm like, yeah,

00:28:38.945 --> 00:28:40.528
but if we slid some horror in there,

00:28:40.567 --> 00:28:41.489
it would be even better.

00:28:42.017 --> 00:28:43.557
I forgot to mention like black Christmas

00:28:43.617 --> 00:28:45.519
is one of my favorite horror movies.

00:28:45.700 --> 00:28:48.421
And I think Clay likes that one as

00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:48.862
well.

00:28:49.442 --> 00:28:49.541
Yeah.

00:28:49.602 --> 00:28:51.282
Clay did a book a while ago called

00:28:51.323 --> 00:28:52.864
red Xmas, which is really cool.

00:28:52.903 --> 00:28:55.526
Like he could tell you more about that,

00:28:55.586 --> 00:28:56.006
but it's,

00:28:56.586 --> 00:28:58.428
he seems to have an affinity for Christmas

00:28:58.468 --> 00:28:58.788
and horror.

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He says it goes together like chocolate

00:29:00.608 --> 00:29:01.269
and peanut butter.

00:29:02.770 --> 00:29:03.070
That's right.

00:29:03.111 --> 00:29:03.932
He's not wrong on that one.

00:29:04.192 --> 00:29:04.491
Chairman.

00:29:04.511 --> 00:29:05.593
Have you seen black Christmas?

00:29:06.238 --> 00:29:06.577
I have it.

00:29:06.657 --> 00:29:07.679
I'm going to have to check that one

00:29:07.778 --> 00:29:08.558
out.

00:29:08.578 --> 00:29:10.299
The original, the original remake.

00:29:10.660 --> 00:29:10.839
Yeah.

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The original seven or three little fun

00:29:12.740 --> 00:29:13.101
fact.

00:29:13.121 --> 00:29:14.980
It was directed by Bob Clark of a

00:29:15.020 --> 00:29:18.301
Christmas story fame and the same

00:29:18.343 --> 00:29:19.143
cinematographer.

00:29:19.182 --> 00:29:20.022
So when you watch it,

00:29:20.123 --> 00:29:21.763
it looks a little like a Christmas story,

00:29:21.824 --> 00:29:24.325
except it's Margot Kidder's in it.

00:29:24.704 --> 00:29:27.046
And Kira Dole,

00:29:27.086 --> 00:29:29.165
who was in two thousand one,

00:29:29.185 --> 00:29:30.366
like it's got a great cast,

00:29:30.666 --> 00:29:31.866
but it's considered one of the first

00:29:32.008 --> 00:29:32.827
slasher movies.

00:29:33.367 --> 00:29:34.068
Right, Clay?

00:29:34.148 --> 00:29:35.630
I think it's considered one of the- It's

00:29:35.710 --> 00:29:36.509
definitely one of the first.

00:29:37.351 --> 00:29:38.412
Olivia Hussey, right?

00:29:38.571 --> 00:29:39.913
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:39.932 --> 00:29:41.653
The girl from Romeo and Juliet,

00:29:41.673 --> 00:29:43.394
Ziveretti's Romeo and Juliet.

00:29:45.096 --> 00:29:46.998
And Norman Bates' mom in Psycho IV.

00:29:48.097 --> 00:29:48.838
It's just well done.

00:29:48.878 --> 00:29:51.039
It's really like sharp and it's sharp and

00:29:51.099 --> 00:29:53.281
funny and dark and like-

00:29:53.662 --> 00:29:54.323
And Halloween,

00:29:54.883 --> 00:29:56.183
Carpenter's Halloween was heavily

00:29:56.223 --> 00:29:57.325
influenced by Black Christmas.

00:29:57.365 --> 00:30:00.086
So I'd say if you love horror and

00:30:00.126 --> 00:30:01.147
it's kind of the season,

00:30:01.167 --> 00:30:02.147
like check that one out.

00:30:02.167 --> 00:30:03.528
I believe it's streaming on a couple of

00:30:03.548 --> 00:30:03.890
sites.

00:30:04.650 --> 00:30:05.471
Yeah, that's a great one.

00:30:05.490 --> 00:30:07.592
That's definitely going to, that's,

00:30:07.632 --> 00:30:09.093
you just gave me my weekend plan for

00:30:09.113 --> 00:30:09.753
at least one day.

00:30:10.153 --> 00:30:10.693
Cool.

00:30:10.753 --> 00:30:12.535
Yeah, and I think for me, like,

00:30:13.634 --> 00:30:13.835
I mean,

00:30:13.855 --> 00:30:15.355
Black Christmas is definitely up there,

00:30:15.394 --> 00:30:17.236
but that's something I've only seen,

00:30:17.455 --> 00:30:19.236
you know, in the last five years.

00:30:20.477 --> 00:30:21.537
Whereas, like,

00:30:21.656 --> 00:30:24.218
Gremlins made a huge impression on me.

00:30:24.817 --> 00:30:27.117
And Phoebe Cates giving the monologue

00:30:27.198 --> 00:30:30.419
about finding her father stuffed in the

00:30:30.499 --> 00:30:30.939
chimney.

00:30:30.999 --> 00:30:31.278
You know,

00:30:31.618 --> 00:30:34.180
he dressed up like Santa and was gonna

00:30:34.220 --> 00:30:35.599
surprise them and then got stuck in the

00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:35.941
chimney.

00:30:35.980 --> 00:30:37.320
And that's why she hates Christmas.

00:30:38.080 --> 00:30:41.084
Um, that's like, that to me is,

00:30:41.284 --> 00:30:42.704
is perfect.

00:30:42.724 --> 00:30:45.747
That, that it's, it's black comedy.

00:30:46.508 --> 00:30:49.871
Uh, there's, it's there, it's horror, uh,

00:30:49.951 --> 00:30:51.071
and it's also Christmas.

00:30:51.152 --> 00:30:53.192
And so something about that for me just,

00:30:53.373 --> 00:30:55.414
uh, really, really struck a chord.

00:30:55.454 --> 00:30:56.536
So yeah, I do.

00:30:56.556 --> 00:30:59.557
I think it makes the horror more

00:30:59.597 --> 00:31:01.240
horrifying because it's happening during a

00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:03.781
season of joy and togetherness.

00:31:03.821 --> 00:31:04.201
And like, it's,

00:31:04.241 --> 00:31:06.284
it's playing against what you expect.

00:31:06.403 --> 00:31:07.545
And, and I think when like,

00:31:08.298 --> 00:31:09.920
silent night, deadly night came out.

00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:11.121
Like when that trailer came out,

00:31:11.141 --> 00:31:12.561
people were like, what is this?

00:31:13.162 --> 00:31:14.103
Like, are you kidding me?

00:31:14.202 --> 00:31:15.163
So yeah,

00:31:15.223 --> 00:31:16.684
I mean that it has a history of,

00:31:16.884 --> 00:31:19.287
of that's there, you know,

00:31:19.326 --> 00:31:20.208
for horror and Christmas.

00:31:20.248 --> 00:31:21.489
And we just wanted to kind of take

00:31:21.528 --> 00:31:22.730
it another step further.

00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:30.260
So this series is inspired by Sheridan Le

00:31:30.340 --> 00:31:33.662
Fanu's erotic novella,

00:31:33.801 --> 00:31:37.522
which is a predecessor to Dracula.

00:31:38.383 --> 00:31:41.144
Why is Carmilla such a powerful figure for

00:31:41.304 --> 00:31:43.845
modern audiences other than the cool fact

00:31:43.884 --> 00:31:45.484
that she happened before Dracula did?

00:31:46.892 --> 00:31:47.752
Little Known Fat,

00:31:48.192 --> 00:31:50.535
which is now fat and now everybody knows.

00:31:50.796 --> 00:31:52.596
Now everybody knows it because of our

00:31:52.616 --> 00:31:52.978
book.

00:31:53.858 --> 00:31:55.319
Forget all these other adaptations.

00:31:55.779 --> 00:31:56.181
Exactly.

00:31:57.041 --> 00:31:58.623
I think why she's cool – I mean,

00:31:59.324 --> 00:31:59.824
honestly,

00:32:00.183 --> 00:32:01.435
I think –

00:32:02.147 --> 00:32:02.428
You know,

00:32:03.008 --> 00:32:05.068
I think the honest answer is that,

00:32:05.169 --> 00:32:05.469
you know,

00:32:05.568 --> 00:32:08.570
it was written at a time where they

00:32:08.611 --> 00:32:11.011
couldn't come out and say certain things.

00:32:11.612 --> 00:32:13.251
And we now live in a time where

00:32:13.311 --> 00:32:15.732
you can come out and say those things.

00:32:15.752 --> 00:32:18.954
You know, the novella had very,

00:32:19.575 --> 00:32:21.976
very strong lesbian undertones.

00:32:22.695 --> 00:32:24.457
And, you know...

00:32:25.798 --> 00:32:30.520
People now can recognize that and either

00:32:30.560 --> 00:32:34.442
be more explicit about it or comment on

00:32:34.522 --> 00:32:35.903
it or whatever.

00:32:35.943 --> 00:32:37.244
But I think there is sort of like,

00:32:37.865 --> 00:32:39.227
there is a fascination with her.

00:32:39.247 --> 00:32:39.487
I mean,

00:32:39.547 --> 00:32:42.067
I think it's just kind of in the

00:32:42.127 --> 00:32:44.250
zeitgeist now, this character.

00:32:44.309 --> 00:32:46.411
And certainly like you guys were saying

00:32:46.431 --> 00:32:46.771
before,

00:32:46.811 --> 00:32:48.813
other people have been doing adaptations

00:32:49.373 --> 00:32:51.394
kind of at the same time we have.

00:32:51.434 --> 00:32:53.536
So it's definitely something in the air.

00:32:53.576 --> 00:32:54.436
She's fascinating.

00:32:55.076 --> 00:32:55.537
to people.

00:32:55.616 --> 00:32:55.817
And I,

00:32:55.916 --> 00:32:57.198
and I think it is just that,

00:32:57.377 --> 00:33:00.259
that aspect of like at the time this

00:33:00.299 --> 00:33:01.359
was written, you know,

00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:02.760
a lot of it had to be coded.

00:33:03.901 --> 00:33:04.441
But now,

00:33:04.642 --> 00:33:06.541
but now we can tell these stories without,

00:33:06.782 --> 00:33:07.643
without being coded.

00:33:07.762 --> 00:33:08.143
Right.

00:33:08.182 --> 00:33:08.323
It's,

00:33:08.682 --> 00:33:10.144
it's in there and there's undertones,

00:33:10.163 --> 00:33:11.565
but there's some overtones too.

00:33:11.605 --> 00:33:13.326
It's, it's, it's a short novella.

00:33:13.346 --> 00:33:14.365
I mean, it's a short book.

00:33:14.425 --> 00:33:14.945
It's a novella.

00:33:14.986 --> 00:33:16.267
It's not a full long novel,

00:33:16.527 --> 00:33:18.087
but it did predate Dracula by at least

00:33:18.127 --> 00:33:18.847
twenty-five years,

00:33:18.887 --> 00:33:19.969
I think twenty-six years.

00:33:20.528 --> 00:33:21.869
And when Clay told me that,

00:33:21.930 --> 00:33:23.250
I was like, wait a minute,

00:33:23.269 --> 00:33:24.131
you're telling me that there's a

00:33:25.491 --> 00:33:27.633
a story that predates Dracula by twenty

00:33:27.653 --> 00:33:28.113
five years.

00:33:28.153 --> 00:33:29.794
That's about a lesbian vampire.

00:33:29.834 --> 00:33:31.434
So we need to take this character and

00:33:31.454 --> 00:33:32.535
see what we can do with it and

00:33:33.016 --> 00:33:35.037
and really like kind of just amp up

00:33:35.057 --> 00:33:38.337
the volume and kind of lean into that

00:33:38.357 --> 00:33:39.038
a lot more.

00:33:40.179 --> 00:33:40.519
And so

00:33:41.539 --> 00:33:41.819
Yeah,

00:33:42.300 --> 00:33:43.761
that was that was something I think we

00:33:43.781 --> 00:33:45.623
wanted to do to to show us to

00:33:45.663 --> 00:33:47.104
show people like, yeah,

00:33:47.144 --> 00:33:48.545
she she's a lesbian vampire,

00:33:48.565 --> 00:33:52.008
but she's not above, you know,

00:33:52.028 --> 00:33:53.409
going to the other side to get what

00:33:53.449 --> 00:33:53.929
she wants.

00:33:53.969 --> 00:33:55.250
As you see in nineteen eighty four,

00:33:55.269 --> 00:33:56.471
it turns out to be, you know,

00:33:56.832 --> 00:33:57.511
a surprise.

00:33:57.551 --> 00:33:59.993
But like she's just she's just a badass,

00:34:00.034 --> 00:34:01.855
like she's just a badass character that

00:34:01.875 --> 00:34:03.375
kind of does what she wants because she

00:34:03.415 --> 00:34:04.297
can do what she wants.

00:34:04.436 --> 00:34:06.838
And I like the idea that she's making

00:34:06.878 --> 00:34:08.099
a difference in her own way.

00:34:10.420 --> 00:34:11.181
Perfect answer.

00:34:11.601 --> 00:34:12.043
Perfect.

00:34:13.443 --> 00:34:15.326
How do y'all balance, though,

00:34:15.365 --> 00:34:19.289
the erotic elements of the story with

00:34:19.409 --> 00:34:22.873
genuine story depth, satire, and horror?

00:34:22.893 --> 00:34:24.534
Because it could have went off the rails

00:34:24.574 --> 00:34:25.916
in any given direction.

00:34:26.496 --> 00:34:27.856
How do y'all think y'all maintained it

00:34:27.878 --> 00:34:29.539
just being like this nice,

00:34:29.659 --> 00:34:31.340
fine balance of what it is?

00:34:32.748 --> 00:34:32.947
I mean,

00:34:33.007 --> 00:34:35.829
I think we knew that we wanted to

00:34:36.351 --> 00:34:40.014
tell a good story.

00:34:40.034 --> 00:34:40.873
First and foremost,

00:34:41.094 --> 00:34:42.976
we didn't just want to do a sexy

00:34:43.016 --> 00:34:45.697
book just for the sake of doing a

00:34:45.777 --> 00:34:46.378
sexy book.

00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:48.460
We wanted to sort of make it...

00:34:51.313 --> 00:34:52.795
important to the plot, you know,

00:34:52.875 --> 00:34:54.777
and that was something that we really gave

00:34:54.797 --> 00:34:55.438
a lot of thought to,

00:34:55.478 --> 00:34:57.380
particularly in nineteen seventy three,

00:34:58.740 --> 00:35:01.163
which was how can we make this how

00:35:01.182 --> 00:35:02.583
can we make the sex in the book

00:35:02.744 --> 00:35:05.266
actually part of the plot where it became

00:35:05.927 --> 00:35:07.849
important and not just, you know,

00:35:07.929 --> 00:35:08.509
gratuitous?

00:35:09.570 --> 00:35:11.952
So we gave that a lot of thought.

00:35:12.052 --> 00:35:14.896
And then so for for nineteen eighty four,

00:35:15.036 --> 00:35:15.275
I mean,

00:35:16.097 --> 00:35:17.958
it was just sort of building upon that

00:35:18.478 --> 00:35:19.599
and extension of that.

00:35:20.802 --> 00:35:24.304
And for for a very Carmilla Christmas

00:35:24.344 --> 00:35:28.949
Carol, I don't want to give anything away.

00:35:29.931 --> 00:35:30.130
No, no.

00:35:30.150 --> 00:35:30.952
I wouldn't do that.

00:35:31.291 --> 00:35:32.353
A major spoiler,

00:35:32.434 --> 00:35:35.077
but I will say that we did find

00:35:35.137 --> 00:35:38.541
a way to tie the sex into the

00:35:38.581 --> 00:35:40.625
story of A Christmas Carol in a very,

00:35:40.684 --> 00:35:41.847
very important way.

00:35:42.827 --> 00:35:44.349
And I'll leave it at that.

00:35:44.409 --> 00:35:44.871
You will...

00:35:46.027 --> 00:35:47.146
Well, we do tell people,

00:35:47.708 --> 00:35:48.927
you got to buy the book to find

00:35:48.987 --> 00:35:50.168
out the true meaning.

00:35:50.228 --> 00:35:52.028
You can unwrap the true meaning of Bah

00:35:52.068 --> 00:35:52.528
Humbug.

00:35:53.068 --> 00:35:55.230
And so when me and Clay started talking

00:35:55.269 --> 00:35:56.869
about it and we were bouncing the ideas

00:35:56.909 --> 00:35:57.471
back and forth,

00:35:57.811 --> 00:35:59.710
it just started to build and become

00:35:59.771 --> 00:36:02.472
funnier and more interesting and also

00:36:02.552 --> 00:36:05.012
drive the narrative.

00:36:05.773 --> 00:36:07.474
Just that simple phrase, it's like, well,

00:36:07.514 --> 00:36:09.233
what does Bah Humbug really mean anyhow?

00:36:09.253 --> 00:36:10.835
It's not just say, oh, whatever.

00:36:11.355 --> 00:36:11.954
In this case,

00:36:12.014 --> 00:36:14.797
it has a specific meaning that is in

00:36:14.836 --> 00:36:15.297
the book.

00:36:15.577 --> 00:36:17.617
And it's- That relates to Spooge.

00:36:17.838 --> 00:36:19.978
That relates to- And this is why we

00:36:20.059 --> 00:36:22.360
waited for- Two hundred years.

00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:24.380
To start this show.

00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:25.300
Right, right.

00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:26.501
Even just to say the name,

00:36:26.581 --> 00:36:27.541
Elanese or Spooge.

00:36:28.503 --> 00:36:29.302
But it's in there.

00:36:29.322 --> 00:36:30.184
So if you want to know what the

00:36:30.224 --> 00:36:31.744
true meaning of Bah Humbug is,

00:36:32.324 --> 00:36:33.065
buy this book.

00:36:33.324 --> 00:36:34.244
Get the book.

00:36:34.264 --> 00:36:34.865
Got to catch them all.

00:36:35.998 --> 00:36:37.338
I like it.

00:36:37.378 --> 00:36:40.918
So y'all two formed Bloodline in twenty

00:36:40.998 --> 00:36:42.018
nineteen.

00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:45.000
What has kept just like creative

00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:47.800
partnership going strong and how has that

00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:51.641
collaboration evolved through projects

00:36:51.681 --> 00:36:52.782
like Nightmare Theater,

00:36:53.242 --> 00:36:57.143
Cannibals on Mars and now your third as

00:36:57.182 --> 00:36:59.123
the third Carmilla, right?

00:36:59.804 --> 00:37:00.583
Yep.

00:37:00.664 --> 00:37:00.884
Yeah.

00:37:03.242 --> 00:37:03.402
I mean,

00:37:03.442 --> 00:37:06.648
I think what keeps it going is we

00:37:06.929 --> 00:37:07.730
love doing it.

00:37:08.231 --> 00:37:10.574
And I think, you know,

00:37:10.675 --> 00:37:12.057
I think with any collaboration,

00:37:12.097 --> 00:37:14.943
what's really important is that the...

00:37:16.010 --> 00:37:18.092
each person brings their own strengths to

00:37:18.132 --> 00:37:19.974
the table and that they're complimentary.

00:37:20.014 --> 00:37:21.074
And so it's like, you know,

00:37:21.155 --> 00:37:22.996
Dave has strengths that I don't have.

00:37:24.077 --> 00:37:24.438
You know,

00:37:24.637 --> 00:37:26.300
I may have strengths that he doesn't have

00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:28.240
and our weaknesses are not the same.

00:37:28.621 --> 00:37:29.202
So it's like,

00:37:29.222 --> 00:37:31.123
we're able to cover each other's

00:37:31.164 --> 00:37:31.744
weaknesses,

00:37:31.784 --> 00:37:33.726
but also add to each other's strengths.

00:37:34.126 --> 00:37:35.648
And so I think that makes for a

00:37:35.688 --> 00:37:37.028
very potent combination.

00:37:37.630 --> 00:37:38.811
And so we've just,

00:37:39.992 --> 00:37:41.914
We just seem to work together very well

00:37:42.135 --> 00:37:45.659
and are having fun making some books.

00:37:46.021 --> 00:37:47.903
Well, we're like Christmas and horror.

00:37:47.983 --> 00:37:49.445
We go together like that.

00:37:50.467 --> 00:37:51.949
And honestly, Chairman, first of all,

00:37:51.969 --> 00:37:52.931
these are great questions.

00:37:53.110 --> 00:37:53.871
We appreciate that.

00:37:55.773 --> 00:37:57.414
Clay was in a movie I did with

00:37:58.135 --> 00:37:59.096
my friend Keith Caloris.

00:37:59.135 --> 00:38:00.777
We co-wrote and co-directed a horror film

00:38:00.936 --> 00:38:02.617
that got released by Lionsgate back in two

00:38:02.637 --> 00:38:04.039
thousand five called Bloodline.

00:38:04.418 --> 00:38:05.559
So the reason we're called.

00:38:05.579 --> 00:38:05.659
Yeah.

00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.300
The reason we're called Bloodline Comics

00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:08.981
is this horror film called Bloodline.

00:38:09.021 --> 00:38:11.902
Clay is an actor and he did a

00:38:11.922 --> 00:38:12.583
great job in that.

00:38:12.603 --> 00:38:13.704
He was the lead of the movie.

00:38:14.023 --> 00:38:15.585
It was basically Friday the thirteenth

00:38:15.625 --> 00:38:16.405
meets Memento.

00:38:16.626 --> 00:38:18.547
We told like a kind of a straight

00:38:18.567 --> 00:38:18.867
story.

00:38:19.246 --> 00:38:21.088
Kind of slasher story in a fractured

00:38:21.128 --> 00:38:22.050
timeline way.

00:38:22.329 --> 00:38:23.831
And it was a low budget movie.

00:38:24.592 --> 00:38:25.152
But again,

00:38:25.172 --> 00:38:27.213
Lionsgate released it and we're really

00:38:27.255 --> 00:38:27.715
proud of it.

00:38:27.815 --> 00:38:28.856
I think it still holds up.

00:38:29.876 --> 00:38:32.179
So I knew Clay from way back then.

00:38:32.318 --> 00:38:33.659
And then when I was starting to think

00:38:33.699 --> 00:38:35.101
about doing a comic book called Baby

00:38:35.121 --> 00:38:37.583
Badass back in twenty fifteen,

00:38:37.643 --> 00:38:38.364
I self-published.

00:38:38.744 --> 00:38:40.686
Clay had done a book called P.B.O.W.

00:38:41.027 --> 00:38:42.007
Pregnant Bitches of War.

00:38:42.168 --> 00:38:42.809
Really cool book.

00:38:43.449 --> 00:38:47.192
And it was the same vibe.

00:38:47.572 --> 00:38:49.572
So I was asking him questions and I

00:38:49.632 --> 00:38:51.773
reconnected with him, I don't know,

00:38:51.793 --> 00:38:53.615
was that like ten years later or eight

00:38:53.635 --> 00:38:54.135
years later?

00:38:54.195 --> 00:38:55.056
Something like that.

00:38:55.896 --> 00:38:56.978
We kind of stayed in touch,

00:38:56.998 --> 00:38:58.559
but then I started asking him questions

00:38:58.619 --> 00:38:59.938
and I was reading his books.

00:38:59.958 --> 00:39:00.599
I was like, wow,

00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:02.280
this guy does great stuff.

00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:03.882
And it's kind of like the stuff I

00:39:03.942 --> 00:39:04.242
like.

00:39:04.282 --> 00:39:07.423
So when the pandemic hit,

00:39:07.563 --> 00:39:09.184
I think it was twenty twenty when we

00:39:09.244 --> 00:39:10.226
did Nightmare Theater.

00:39:10.726 --> 00:39:11.585
And we're like, let's do this.

00:39:11.626 --> 00:39:12.867
Let's do an anthology.

00:39:12.927 --> 00:39:14.527
Let's get all these people we know in

00:39:14.547 --> 00:39:15.427
the comic book world,

00:39:15.467 --> 00:39:16.467
in the indie comic world.

00:39:16.967 --> 00:39:17.907
And everyone said yes.

00:39:17.947 --> 00:39:19.608
So we had like thirty three teams of

00:39:19.648 --> 00:39:21.409
creators that made that book.

00:39:21.548 --> 00:39:23.750
And I think it was really smart to

00:39:24.929 --> 00:39:26.971
to do that as our first venture,

00:39:26.990 --> 00:39:28.731
because with all those teams,

00:39:28.771 --> 00:39:31.012
you get a pretty big Kickstarter campaign.

00:39:31.291 --> 00:39:31.431
uh,

00:39:31.472 --> 00:39:33.333
brew going like all these different people

00:39:33.353 --> 00:39:34.534
and creators and artists and race.

00:39:34.554 --> 00:39:35.494
So they all back the book.

00:39:35.554 --> 00:39:36.315
And, you know,

00:39:36.335 --> 00:39:37.476
when you do a good job with it,

00:39:37.536 --> 00:39:39.396
and we've always tried with bloodline to

00:39:39.536 --> 00:39:41.259
treat our creators really well,

00:39:41.338 --> 00:39:42.199
to pay them,

00:39:42.259 --> 00:39:44.280
to appreciate them and the artists,

00:39:44.380 --> 00:39:45.981
and then to put out really good product.

00:39:46.021 --> 00:39:47.181
We don't do a lot of product.

00:39:47.682 --> 00:39:48.382
So when we do it,

00:39:48.402 --> 00:39:49.503
we try to put a lot of care

00:39:49.603 --> 00:39:50.945
into it and not just do like these

00:39:50.965 --> 00:39:55.568
little quick one-offs.

00:39:55.588 --> 00:39:56.068
That works.

00:39:56.128 --> 00:39:57.728
And you answered my very next question,

00:39:57.748 --> 00:39:59.250
which I was going to be mentioning that

00:39:59.329 --> 00:40:00.751
clay, your actor in a,

00:40:01.277 --> 00:40:02.798
And you've done voice acting as well.

00:40:02.958 --> 00:40:04.940
And David,

00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:06.663
you as well from film and comedy and

00:40:06.682 --> 00:40:08.985
TV writing and kind of like how your

00:40:09.525 --> 00:40:11.447
individual skill sets kind of clash or

00:40:11.487 --> 00:40:13.730
compliment each other and see what I did

00:40:13.769 --> 00:40:13.969
there.

00:40:15.831 --> 00:40:16.753
Yeah, see, I mean,

00:40:16.793 --> 00:40:18.795
that's and that is why we work well

00:40:18.835 --> 00:40:19.175
together.

00:40:19.215 --> 00:40:20.275
And I think it is.

00:40:22.157 --> 00:40:22.579
You know, I

00:40:23.606 --> 00:40:25.768
I think that experience of having worked

00:40:25.809 --> 00:40:26.909
together, you know,

00:40:26.989 --> 00:40:29.512
twenty something years ago, I mean,

00:40:29.692 --> 00:40:32.514
that also informs it, you know,

00:40:32.594 --> 00:40:33.315
like sometimes

00:40:35.501 --> 00:40:37.461
sometimes you try to form partnerships

00:40:37.481 --> 00:40:39.302
with people and it doesn't quite work out

00:40:39.342 --> 00:40:39.983
or whatever.

00:40:40.164 --> 00:40:42.324
And, and it's like, Dave and I have,

00:40:42.465 --> 00:40:43.806
we have a history, you know,

00:40:43.885 --> 00:40:44.967
Alexander O'Philippe,

00:40:45.047 --> 00:40:48.989
who I co-wrote PBOW with and Deadskins and

00:40:49.048 --> 00:40:50.269
Red Xmas that we were talking about

00:40:50.309 --> 00:40:50.670
earlier.

00:40:51.610 --> 00:40:52.170
He and I have,

00:40:52.351 --> 00:40:53.771
we went to college together, you know,

00:40:53.831 --> 00:40:55.231
I've known him since I was eight.

00:40:55.833 --> 00:40:56.773
So, you know, there,

00:40:56.873 --> 00:40:59.014
there is a history there that does,

00:40:59.414 --> 00:41:01.976
that does make things easier because there

00:41:02.056 --> 00:41:04.577
is a trust, you know, I mean, it's,

00:41:06.530 --> 00:41:09.490
Dave and I didn't know each other well.

00:41:09.510 --> 00:41:10.630
We didn't know each other at all when

00:41:10.650 --> 00:41:11.351
we did Bloodline.

00:41:12.931 --> 00:41:16.273
And we only knew each other so well

00:41:16.452 --> 00:41:17.994
once the project was over because it was

00:41:18.034 --> 00:41:20.715
a very intense project and he was busy

00:41:20.775 --> 00:41:23.054
co-directing this thing and co-producing

00:41:23.135 --> 00:41:23.275
it.

00:41:23.875 --> 00:41:25.416
And I was busy trying to remember my

00:41:25.456 --> 00:41:25.916
lines.

00:41:26.916 --> 00:41:27.135
But...

00:41:30.217 --> 00:41:31.079
Having said that,

00:41:31.219 --> 00:41:34.342
I think I could see how he approaches

00:41:34.422 --> 00:41:35.603
a creative project.

00:41:36.164 --> 00:41:37.724
I knew what it was like to work

00:41:37.744 --> 00:41:38.105
with him.

00:41:38.304 --> 00:41:39.947
I knew that he could get a project

00:41:40.047 --> 00:41:41.108
to the finish line.

00:41:41.487 --> 00:41:44.251
I knew that he wasn't going to get

00:41:44.311 --> 00:41:46.693
mad halfway through and pick up his ball

00:41:46.733 --> 00:41:47.414
and go home.

00:41:47.853 --> 00:41:51.077
You can kind of see who

00:41:51.536 --> 00:41:53.617
who people are through through working

00:41:53.637 --> 00:41:55.219
with them and so like i knew that

00:41:55.259 --> 00:41:56.559
this would be a guy that would be

00:41:56.659 --> 00:41:58.380
a good person to work with i knew

00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.021
that he would he would get things to

00:42:00.061 --> 00:42:02.182
the finish line i knew that you know

00:42:02.302 --> 00:42:04.543
we could get along personally you know we

00:42:04.664 --> 00:42:06.085
i don't even know if dave remembers but

00:42:06.105 --> 00:42:08.606
we bonded over uh talking about wilco uh

00:42:09.427 --> 00:42:11.088
and he he bought me the uh the

00:42:11.128 --> 00:42:12.668
wilco dvd um

00:42:13.088 --> 00:42:13.748
Oh shit.

00:42:13.789 --> 00:42:14.548
I forgot about that.

00:42:15.409 --> 00:42:15.688
Yeah.

00:42:15.728 --> 00:42:16.030
No, we,

00:42:16.070 --> 00:42:17.550
we had a lot of the same sensibilities

00:42:17.590 --> 00:42:17.829
and that,

00:42:17.889 --> 00:42:18.849
and I saw that when I was reading

00:42:18.889 --> 00:42:19.710
PBOW, I was like,

00:42:19.730 --> 00:42:21.010
this is a lot like baby badass.

00:42:21.030 --> 00:42:24.471
This is just like dark humor, smart,

00:42:24.771 --> 00:42:25.371
dark humor.

00:42:25.431 --> 00:42:26.090
Like I, you know,

00:42:26.130 --> 00:42:28.291
Clay went to NYU and like is a

00:42:28.311 --> 00:42:29.052
trained writer.

00:42:29.271 --> 00:42:31.452
I, I'm a little more like out there.

00:42:31.492 --> 00:42:33.452
And as my friend, Christian Horner,

00:42:33.472 --> 00:42:34.873
who co-created baby badass with me,

00:42:34.893 --> 00:42:35.112
he's like,

00:42:35.132 --> 00:42:37.193
Dave has a lot of great ideas,

00:42:37.213 --> 00:42:38.612
but he also has a lot of crazy

00:42:38.672 --> 00:42:39.753
ideas like that.

00:42:40.094 --> 00:42:41.614
So Clay can kind of like pull that

00:42:41.653 --> 00:42:42.474
back a little bit.

00:42:42.873 --> 00:42:44.494
But like even with Carmilla,

00:42:44.534 --> 00:42:46.416
like we just bounce stuff off of each

00:42:46.456 --> 00:42:47.596
other and like, oh, that's great.

00:42:47.615 --> 00:42:48.157
That's perfect.

00:42:48.197 --> 00:42:49.637
And it just seems to work really well.

00:42:49.978 --> 00:42:52.438
There's no like butting of heads or any

00:42:52.458 --> 00:42:54.280
kind of jealousy about this or that and

00:42:54.300 --> 00:42:55.019
sharing credit.

00:42:55.059 --> 00:42:57.141
Like it just seems to work really well.

00:42:57.260 --> 00:42:58.561
And knock on wood,

00:42:58.601 --> 00:43:00.782
it continues because this seems to be

00:43:00.822 --> 00:43:03.123
trending to be one of our bigger projects.

00:43:03.164 --> 00:43:04.304
And that's what we wanted to do.

00:43:04.344 --> 00:43:05.385
We want to keep growing it,

00:43:05.445 --> 00:43:08.106
make it bigger and better.

00:43:08.146 --> 00:43:10.547
So we can expect future arcs from Carmilla

00:43:10.568 --> 00:43:12.208
in the near, dear future?

00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:15.083
If you buy all the covers,

00:43:15.103 --> 00:43:16.083
we're going to have to.

00:43:16.525 --> 00:43:18.168
I've already did that just about.

00:43:20.322 --> 00:43:22.043
Yeah, I mean, yeah, for sure.

00:43:22.103 --> 00:43:22.362
I mean,

00:43:24.184 --> 00:43:27.286
you'd be crazy not to follow up a

00:43:27.327 --> 00:43:29.648
success, right, with more.

00:43:30.509 --> 00:43:31.188
Well,

00:43:31.208 --> 00:43:32.750
because you can tell different stories,

00:43:32.809 --> 00:43:33.050
right?

00:43:33.130 --> 00:43:33.311
Like,

00:43:33.391 --> 00:43:34.831
it's not like you're just repeating the

00:43:34.871 --> 00:43:35.391
same story.

00:43:35.411 --> 00:43:37.072
She's definitely a character where you can

00:43:37.092 --> 00:43:38.193
explore just about anything you want to.

00:43:38.213 --> 00:43:38.934
Absolutely.

00:43:39.054 --> 00:43:43.436
You can set her in, you know, whatever,

00:43:43.498 --> 00:43:44.577
twenty-one, twenty-two.

00:43:44.637 --> 00:43:44.818
Like,

00:43:44.838 --> 00:43:46.920
just whatever you want to do with Carmela,

00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:48.581
you can kind of go back and forth

00:43:48.681 --> 00:43:49.201
all the way back.

00:43:49.221 --> 00:43:49.681
We may do...

00:43:50.322 --> 00:43:52.262
an origins story, you know, like that,

00:43:52.302 --> 00:43:53.083
that might be really cool.

00:43:53.103 --> 00:43:53.543
Um, and, and,

00:43:55.244 --> 00:43:57.003
and kind of get back into that traditional

00:43:57.023 --> 00:43:57.184
thing.

00:43:57.543 --> 00:43:58.744
One of the ideas we have was with

00:43:58.784 --> 00:44:01.445
Jack the Ripper, like she was gonna, um,

00:44:01.465 --> 00:44:03.186
you know, like stock him or something.

00:44:03.246 --> 00:44:03.585
So there's,

00:44:03.626 --> 00:44:04.766
there's just things you can do that are

00:44:04.786 --> 00:44:07.126
really fun and X and explore and expand.

00:44:07.146 --> 00:44:07.246
And,

00:44:07.626 --> 00:44:09.068
and this was just kind of a natural

00:44:09.168 --> 00:44:10.487
progression to do this one.

00:44:10.547 --> 00:44:12.028
And, uh, we'll see what comes next.

00:44:12.628 --> 00:44:14.469
Dark horse just did a Jack the Ripper

00:44:14.510 --> 00:44:14.869
series.

00:44:14.889 --> 00:44:15.949
That was really good.

00:44:16.250 --> 00:44:16.869
Oh, cool.

00:44:17.351 --> 00:44:17.530
Yeah.

00:44:17.670 --> 00:44:18.670
Who did that?

00:44:21.657 --> 00:44:22.978
I could Google it because I'd have to

00:44:23.018 --> 00:44:23.298
Google it.

00:44:23.318 --> 00:44:23.938
That's okay.

00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:24.900
I can Google it later.

00:44:25.699 --> 00:44:27.420
I have the same Google you have.

00:44:29.882 --> 00:44:30.282
Trust them.

00:44:30.342 --> 00:44:30.862
It was good.

00:44:30.902 --> 00:44:31.882
It was good.

00:44:32.063 --> 00:44:33.342
It was good.

00:44:33.382 --> 00:44:34.983
So what else is going to be coming

00:44:35.003 --> 00:44:36.925
from y'all here in the last quarter of

00:44:36.985 --> 00:44:39.346
twenty twenty five early twenty twenty

00:44:39.405 --> 00:44:39.706
six?

00:44:39.766 --> 00:44:41.947
Anything else outside of Carmilla coming

00:44:41.967 --> 00:44:42.586
from Bloodline?

00:44:44.715 --> 00:44:47.077
well we've uh it may be a little

00:44:47.097 --> 00:44:49.157
too early to announce anything uh we do

00:44:49.217 --> 00:44:50.338
yeah i don't want you to spoil nothing

00:44:50.358 --> 00:44:53.019
before you need to yeah yeah wait clay

00:44:53.099 --> 00:44:54.920
is blood of the grunge still going or

00:44:54.940 --> 00:44:56.822
did it did it end uh we actually

00:44:56.862 --> 00:44:59.842
have we have two more days there's two

00:44:59.882 --> 00:45:01.844
more days clay wrote a book called blood

00:45:01.884 --> 00:45:03.585
of the grunge and it is awesome i'll

00:45:03.605 --> 00:45:05.005
let him tell you about it but it's

00:45:05.025 --> 00:45:06.927
got two more days and it is it

00:45:06.967 --> 00:45:09.827
is really badass also on kickstarter yeah

00:45:09.887 --> 00:45:11.528
also on kickstarter two more days

00:45:12.068 --> 00:45:12.268
Yep.

00:45:12.648 --> 00:45:13.309
Right now.

00:45:14.110 --> 00:45:15.871
It's we've got about forty two hours to

00:45:15.911 --> 00:45:16.271
go.

00:45:17.090 --> 00:45:18.931
It's surreal modern horror for mature

00:45:18.972 --> 00:45:19.371
readers.

00:45:19.391 --> 00:45:21.253
That's the White Lotus meets Midsommar.

00:45:24.034 --> 00:45:25.175
Yeah, we got some good.

00:45:25.275 --> 00:45:26.494
We got some sick man.

00:45:26.735 --> 00:45:29.496
Great covers by Andrea Daly.

00:45:29.797 --> 00:45:31.918
Flops also gave us some covers.

00:45:32.757 --> 00:45:34.760
And then we have one by the interior

00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.023
art team of Fabio Ramacci and Ilaria

00:45:37.063 --> 00:45:39.706
Kiyoka, who worked with me on Red Xmas.

00:45:39.786 --> 00:45:44.331
So they're back for more mischief and

00:45:44.371 --> 00:45:44.951
mayhem.

00:45:44.990 --> 00:45:51.398
But yeah, that's bit.ly slash grunch one,

00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.240
which I think is G-R-U-N.

00:45:55.583 --> 00:46:00.130
N G R U N C H one.

00:46:00.250 --> 00:46:00.971
I can't spell.

00:46:01.132 --> 00:46:02.554
Just look up blood of the grunge

00:46:02.693 --> 00:46:03.235
Kickstarter.

00:46:03.255 --> 00:46:03.896
You'll find it.

00:46:04.476 --> 00:46:05.438
Even if you misspell it,

00:46:05.498 --> 00:46:06.920
I'm sure it'll take you straight to it.

00:46:08.467 --> 00:46:14.168
yes grunch one g-r-u-n-c-h one um yeah

00:46:14.228 --> 00:46:15.809
four we got forty two hours left but

00:46:15.829 --> 00:46:17.731
yeah that's that's a lot of fun it's

00:46:17.751 --> 00:46:19.871
uh i really wanted to do something kind

00:46:19.931 --> 00:46:22.391
of uh you know in the vein of

00:46:22.452 --> 00:46:24.713
white lotus but uh you know what if

00:46:24.733 --> 00:46:26.614
there was a monster on that island

00:46:26.653 --> 00:46:31.436
terrorizing these uh rich people um that's

00:46:31.516 --> 00:46:31.876
awesome

00:46:32.425 --> 00:46:33.525
It came, yeah, it came out great.

00:46:33.585 --> 00:46:35.047
I'm actually really proud of this,

00:46:35.327 --> 00:46:35.847
this script.

00:46:35.887 --> 00:46:37.306
I've actually written the whole series.

00:46:37.367 --> 00:46:38.746
It's a three issue series.

00:46:40.887 --> 00:46:41.088
You know,

00:46:41.128 --> 00:46:43.007
I usually kind of like write things and

00:46:43.068 --> 00:46:44.387
issue at a time and then kind of

00:46:44.407 --> 00:46:45.329
come, come back to it.

00:46:45.349 --> 00:46:46.949
Like I have the whole plot in my

00:46:46.989 --> 00:46:48.528
head, but it's like, you know,

00:46:48.608 --> 00:46:49.909
I'll do an issue here or there,

00:46:49.949 --> 00:46:50.829
but this one,

00:46:50.849 --> 00:46:52.030
I just kind of sat down and wrote

00:46:52.050 --> 00:46:52.869
all the way through.

00:46:52.969 --> 00:46:53.230
And,

00:46:53.570 --> 00:46:54.750
and I think that really kind of helped

00:46:54.809 --> 00:46:55.110
make it.

00:46:55.570 --> 00:46:57.090
You got to go back to back with

00:46:57.130 --> 00:46:57.231
it.

00:46:58.507 --> 00:46:58.648
Yeah,

00:46:58.668 --> 00:46:59.570
we're going to try to put them out

00:46:59.590 --> 00:47:00.530
as quickly as we can.

00:47:01.311 --> 00:47:01.913
It really,

00:47:02.092 --> 00:47:04.215
really depends on the art team how quickly

00:47:04.255 --> 00:47:06.438
they can turn things around.

00:47:06.898 --> 00:47:09.722
They have already finished the first

00:47:09.802 --> 00:47:10.163
issue,

00:47:10.222 --> 00:47:13.286
so it's a hundred percent complete or I

00:47:13.847 --> 00:47:15.329
guess ninety nine point nine percent

00:47:15.369 --> 00:47:15.789
complete.

00:47:15.809 --> 00:47:16.150
There are

00:47:16.831 --> 00:47:18.753
one or two coloring tweaks we need to

00:47:18.793 --> 00:47:19.092
make,

00:47:20.132 --> 00:47:23.315
a couple of artistic tweaks that we need

00:47:23.356 --> 00:47:23.876
to have happen.

00:47:24.615 --> 00:47:24.757
One,

00:47:24.817 --> 00:47:26.597
which is actually to sort of help better

00:47:26.677 --> 00:47:28.199
set up something in the third issue.

00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:29.260
And so it's like,

00:47:29.300 --> 00:47:30.880
we couldn't do that if I hadn't finished

00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:32.722
the script, but because I have,

00:47:33.181 --> 00:47:35.664
we can go in and just alter.

00:47:35.704 --> 00:47:38.206
It's just like a very slight thing,

00:47:38.246 --> 00:47:39.867
a slight alteration of one panel,

00:47:39.947 --> 00:47:42.648
but that'll actually help something pay

00:47:42.728 --> 00:47:44.289
off a little bit better further down the

00:47:44.329 --> 00:47:44.510
road.

00:47:46.570 --> 00:47:47.972
yeah that's been it that's been a great

00:47:48.012 --> 00:47:51.675
project uh editor uh frank pittarisi is uh

00:47:51.795 --> 00:47:54.016
great he's great to work with i've worked

00:47:54.036 --> 00:47:55.418
with him on a bunch of stuff and

00:47:55.478 --> 00:47:57.800
so uh he's he's really brought some great

00:47:57.900 --> 00:47:59.081
things out of this team

00:48:00.728 --> 00:48:02.509
Clay is a little more prolific than I.

00:48:02.648 --> 00:48:04.048
I don't have too much lined up,

00:48:04.088 --> 00:48:05.708
although I co-wrote a book with Peter

00:48:05.728 --> 00:48:08.570
Murrieta called Rafael Garcia Henchman,

00:48:08.989 --> 00:48:10.090
which is a really cool series.

00:48:10.150 --> 00:48:11.811
And Titan Comics is going to be releasing

00:48:11.851 --> 00:48:12.391
that in twenty.

00:48:12.471 --> 00:48:13.010
Oh, nice.

00:48:13.152 --> 00:48:13.472
Yeah.

00:48:13.552 --> 00:48:15.831
So that's exciting for those who don't

00:48:15.851 --> 00:48:16.012
know.

00:48:16.032 --> 00:48:17.793
That's that's gun honey territory.

00:48:17.813 --> 00:48:19.273
So that's good.

00:48:19.353 --> 00:48:19.932
Good company.

00:48:20.293 --> 00:48:20.594
Yeah.

00:48:20.634 --> 00:48:22.114
No, we're excited about that.

00:48:22.173 --> 00:48:23.514
We're getting some covers done.

00:48:24.215 --> 00:48:25.255
It's a three issue arc.

00:48:25.635 --> 00:48:28.295
and with a second volume to follow,

00:48:28.335 --> 00:48:29.896
but we're excited about that.

00:48:29.976 --> 00:48:31.137
And then there's more Carmilla.

00:48:32.057 --> 00:48:33.378
We'll probably do something in the

00:48:33.438 --> 00:48:35.219
nightmare theater realm.

00:48:35.260 --> 00:48:36.400
We may do, you know,

00:48:36.420 --> 00:48:37.900
it's not gonna be a full anthology,

00:48:37.940 --> 00:48:39.822
but it may be like a nightmare theater

00:48:39.842 --> 00:48:40.362
presents.

00:48:40.742 --> 00:48:42.063
We wanna kind of keep that going.

00:48:42.702 --> 00:48:45.063
um and the characters from that that we

00:48:45.103 --> 00:48:46.945
created uh shelly post stoker is the

00:48:46.985 --> 00:48:49.284
hostess of that film festival of souls you

00:48:49.304 --> 00:48:50.885
know and so there's a lot to explore

00:48:50.905 --> 00:48:53.586
with that too but trust trust me we

00:48:53.626 --> 00:48:56.208
will be coming back with more carmilla not

00:48:56.228 --> 00:48:59.228
too much but just enough sometimes you

00:48:59.268 --> 00:49:01.128
just gotta throw that tease out there

00:49:01.748 --> 00:49:05.891
gentlemen where can everybody find y'all

00:49:06.090 --> 00:49:07.650
at if they want to either get in

00:49:07.690 --> 00:49:09.391
contact with y'all or just keep up with

00:49:09.431 --> 00:49:11.452
what y'all have going on over at bloodline

00:49:11.492 --> 00:49:11.972
comics

00:49:13.791 --> 00:49:17.072
Well, I am, uh, still on Twitter,

00:49:17.273 --> 00:49:17.934
believe it or not.

00:49:18.014 --> 00:49:19.094
I refuse to call it X,

00:49:19.153 --> 00:49:20.934
but I'm still on Twitter, uh,

00:49:21.135 --> 00:49:22.614
at clay's evil twin.

00:49:23.356 --> 00:49:24.615
And I'm also on sub stack.

00:49:25.096 --> 00:49:25.376
Yeah.

00:49:25.556 --> 00:49:27.177
I'm also on sub stack, uh,

00:49:27.376 --> 00:49:29.958
clay Adams dot sub stack.com.

00:49:30.858 --> 00:49:31.838
And, um,

00:49:33.690 --> 00:49:35.610
fried comics.com you can find some of my

00:49:35.630 --> 00:49:37.090
other stuff uh blazing blade of

00:49:37.110 --> 00:49:39.072
frankenstein and dream quest uh you can

00:49:39.112 --> 00:49:41.192
find that at our at our store and

00:49:41.711 --> 00:49:44.833
uh and on kickstarter at fried comics i

00:49:44.873 --> 00:49:47.534
am on instagram and blue sky at

00:49:47.634 --> 00:49:51.675
schraderopolis and uh also at bloodline

00:49:51.715 --> 00:49:53.835
comics and at bloodline comics pictures

00:49:54.036 --> 00:49:55.755
you can find us there and follow along

00:49:57.875 --> 00:49:58.375
Perfect.

00:49:58.635 --> 00:50:01.476
So as the candle fades and this final

00:50:01.516 --> 00:50:02.797
whisper settles into dark,

00:50:03.476 --> 00:50:05.757
we wrap up this launch day descent into

00:50:05.818 --> 00:50:07.378
gothic holiday madness.

00:50:07.938 --> 00:50:10.920
A massive thank you to Clay and David

00:50:11.240 --> 00:50:13.961
for allowing me the opportunity to host

00:50:14.001 --> 00:50:16.742
your own launch day for Carmilla, which,

00:50:17.003 --> 00:50:17.724
by the way,

00:50:18.384 --> 00:50:20.985
is a hundred percent funded and still

00:50:21.005 --> 00:50:22.826
going strong last time I checked.

00:50:23.952 --> 00:50:26.474
Thank y'all for coming on and talking to

00:50:26.514 --> 00:50:29.016
the Council of Nerds here about Carmilla

00:50:29.076 --> 00:50:30.476
and giving us a little bit more background

00:50:30.536 --> 00:50:32.599
on what Carmilla is.

00:50:33.619 --> 00:50:34.639
And as always,

00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:36.521
y'all go hit that Kickstarter,

00:50:36.621 --> 00:50:40.164
type in Barry Carmilla Christmas Carol.

00:50:40.664 --> 00:50:41.644
Go give us some love.

00:50:41.664 --> 00:50:42.764
You won't be disappointed.

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Lots of covers to choose from,

00:50:44.266 --> 00:50:47.467
both PG and rated R.

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I'll leave it at that.

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So with that...

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Whether it's horror, sci-fi, fantasy,

00:50:55.005 --> 00:50:57.168
or something gloriously unholy,

00:50:57.509 --> 00:51:00.592
the USDN podcast is where Indy's comments

00:51:01.094 --> 00:51:01.815
come to life.

00:51:01.875 --> 00:51:03.036
And with that, everybody,

00:51:03.396 --> 00:51:04.277
we are signing off.

00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.422
Gentlemen, again, thank you so much.

00:51:07.983 --> 00:51:08.503
Thank you, Chairman.

00:51:08.523 --> 00:51:09.324
Thank you very much, Chairman.