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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Hey, Jeff, it's

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good to be here with you.
Here it is, we are here,

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here it is. That's right,
it's time. I just watched the animated

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version of The Lion King recently,
like just the other day. I just

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turned it on and then my whole
family saw it was on, and they

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gravitated toward the room and we ended
up watching the entire thing, which has

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your favorite Disney song, Oh what
Circle of Life? Yeah, I don't

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love that song, but I like
the animation during that song. That's good,

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that's cool. But the uh no, but anyway, but the monkey

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says it's time. Oh yeah,
there you go. So anyway, yeah,

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I remember reference. Yeh wow.
I'll give you a dollar if you

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tell me what year that The Lion
King was released. Nineteen ninety seven.

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Oh no, not even close,
nineteen ninety nineteen ninety well yeah, all

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right, so this this is going
to be not even close. Nineteen ninety

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seven is closer to nineteen ninety than
I don't know, twenty twenty two.

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Well, dude, in my mind, that's not even close. It was

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close. That's a whole decade.
It was. It was seven years.

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Yeah, almost a decade, not
almost awful. Hey, so this is

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supposed to be when people don't like
you, Chris, people love me.

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Actually, that's that's you know,
everybody has people on both sides of the

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equation, right. I was going
to say, that's not what the that's

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not what all the comments say.
But hey whatever, Hey, hey,

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don't people are going to believe that. Stop it. Uh, this is

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supposed to be Bible verse or not. Now, by the way, we've

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never done this segment quite like this
before. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going

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to read five lines to you,
Jeff, and you have to decide whether

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it is from the Book of Proverbs
or if it was generated by artificial intelligence

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by chat GPT. Chat GPT is
the most popular artificial intelligence program of it

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to just the general population. Yes, so okay, oh this is crazy.

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So was it artificially a generated verse
or is it a Bible verse from

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the Book of Proverbs? Yes,
this is hard, all right here we

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okay, okay, writing some nervous
Yeah, this is gonna be tough.

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Yeah. Yeah. An open heart
and a listening ear are the keys to

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understanding, and understanding is the foundation
of empathy. So certainly sounds like a

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Bible verse. Is it's ai?
It is ai? Yeah, yeah,

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because the foundation of empathies empathy is
the wrong word. Yeah, yeah,

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that's right. That's right. So
I used to read My family read the

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Book of Proverbs every single night.
Yes, we read whatever the chapter was

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for that day, from yeah,
from from from the time I was thirteenth,

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time I was eighteen. Okay,
yeah, yeah, so empathy is

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not in the Book of Proverbs,
right, that's hilarious. That is really

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funny. Yeah. But what I
was worried about was the translation. Is

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this a translation thing? Yeah,
because it could be like the mess or

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whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Oh that's so good.

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Okay, So I have one point. It's amazing how our minds immediately went

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to that, both of us.
Okay, here's here's another one. Lies

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will get any man into trouble,
but honesty is its own defense. That

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sounds like a proverb. It is
a proverb. Proverb to see what own

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defense is? The phrase okay,
so good job, you are two for

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two. Good job all r How
about this one, don't waste your breath

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on fools, for they will despise
the wisest advice. Proverbs. Yes,

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that's Proverbs twenty three. Good job. Proverbs has a lot to say about

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fools and wasting your breath. Of
all the five that I'm about to read

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to you, that was by far
the easies. Yeah yeah, okay,

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okay, here here's another one.
A small spark can start a great fire,

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but it takes wisdom to keep it
from burning out of control. That's

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Proverbs. That is chat jeep,
no way, yes, okay, yeah,

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because because that that sounds awful,
like no way, it's the Book

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of James. I was gonna say
it sounds like James. But the Book

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of Proverbs talks about how yeah a
spark, yeah, okay, anything anything

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talking about wisdom is really misleading there, okay, all right, yeah I

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beat me on that one. Okay, So you but three to one on

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it, Jeff over Ai you are
three to one. Okay, okay,

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here this is the last one.
Here we go. Kindness is a seed

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that grows into a tree of compassion, shading those who seek its refuge.

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That's a I that is a yeah, yeah, okay, four to one.

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Yeah, So so how do I
trash talk AI can I I'm gonna

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go back to my office. I'm
gonna sit down, pull up the chat

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GPT website, and I'm just gonna
start trash talking. Well, you know

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what I say, I beat you
four to one, right right? Well,

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you know, you know the the
two of them are using like twenty

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twenty one terms like empathy and like
a tree of compassion? Can that be

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anymore twenty twenty three, twenty twenty
four? At this point, I guess,

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well, yeah, that's and that's
the danger of the truth versus something

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that's truth y, right right,
And that's what AI does to us.

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It's truth y yep. Okay,
good, Hey dude, four out of

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five? Wow, man, I
feel good. I feel bad about that

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one that you missed. I can't
believe I missed it. Yeah, oh

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man? Oh well, hey,
by the way, I wonder if our

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listeners were actually playing. I didn't
encourage them to, but I wonder if

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they were actually trying to guess.
I wonder if anybody else got five out

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of five that's what I did.
I bet somebody got five out of five.

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That's hard. Yeah, well,
there's some good Christians to listen to

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this program. Yeah, that's true
and knowledgeable. That's right. You know

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the word. Okay, yeah,
but would you like to read the Bible

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today? Sure, if you want
me to. No, I wasn't asking

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you if you wanted to read it. I was asking should we read it?

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It's really the thing. But oh, do you want to read?

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I see you aren't asking me to
read the verses out loud, because that's

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your job. If I don't read
them, I don't know what I get

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to do today. Yeah. No, no, no, if you want

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to, that's fine, you should, you should, Jeff, I would

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love to read along with you,
okay, as you lead all of us.

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Wow today, that's good. Okay, So we're going to read in

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Matthew, chapter twenty two, verse
twenty twelve. I love how you figured

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out that I misunderstood, and yet
instead of just going with it and letting

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me read it, you said,
no, No, I wasn't. That's

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what I meant. I wasn't asking. I didn't mean what because I didn't

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want you to think I was trying
to shirk my responsibility. I mean,

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I contribute very little to this program. There you go, So the humble

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approach, there it is. That's
great, Okay, here we go.

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Matthew, chapter twenty two, verse
twenty three says that same day Jesus was

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approached by some sadducees religious leaders who
say there's no resurrection from the dead.

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They posed this question. Teacher Moses
said, if a man dies without children,

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his brothers should marry the widow and
have a child who will carry on

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the brother's name. Well, suppose
there were seven brothers. The oldest one

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married and then died without children.
So his brother married the widow. But

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the second brother also died, and
the third brother married, and this continued

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with all seven of them. Last
of all, the woman also died.

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So tell us whose wife will she
be in the resurrection, for all seven

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are married to her. Jesus replied, your mistake is that you don't know

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the scriptures, and you don't know
the power of God. For when the

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dead rise, they will neither marry
nor be given in marriage. In this

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respect, they will be like the
angels in heaven. But now as to

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whether there'll be a resurrection of the
dead, haven't you ever read about this

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in the scriptures. Long after Abraham, Isaac and Jacob had died, God

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said, I am the God of
Abraham, the god of Isaac and the

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god of Jacob. So he is
is he the god? So he is

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the god of the living, not
the dead. When the Colds heard him,

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they were astounded at his teaching.
Mark Chapter twelve, verse eighteen,

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it says, when then Jesus was
approached by some sadducees. They were religious

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leaders. You say, there's no
resurrection from the dead, and they posed

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this question. Teacher Moses gave us
a law that if a man dies leaving

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a wife without children, his brothers
should marry the widow and have a child

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who will carry on the brother's name. Well, suppose there were seven brothers.

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The oldest one married and then died
without children. So the second brother

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married the widow, but he also
died without children. Then the third brother

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married her. Let's continue with all
seven of them, and still there were

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no children. Last of all,
the woman also died. So tell us

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whose wife will she be in the
resurrection, for all seven were married to

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her. Jesus replied, your mistake
is that you don't know the scriptures,

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and you don't know the power of
God. From when the dead rise,

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they will neither marry nor be given
in marriage. In this respect, they'll

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be like the angels in heaven.
But now as to whether the dead will

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be raised, haven't you ever read
about this and the writings of Moses and

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the story of the Burning Bush.
Long after Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob

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had died, God said to Moses, I am the God of Abraham,

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the God of Isaac, and the
God of Jacob. So he is the

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god of the living, not the
dead. You've made a serious error.

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And then in Luke chapter twenty,
Chapter twenty, verse twenty seven, it

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says, then Jesus was approached by
some sadducees they were religious leaders, to

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say there's no resurrection from the dead. They pose this question. Teacher Moses

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gave us a law that if a
man dies leaving a wife but no children,

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and his brothers should marry the widow, have a childhood carry on the

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brother's name. Well, suppose there
were seven brothers. The oldest one married

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and then died without children. So
the second brother married the widow, but

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he also died, and the third
brother married her. Miscontinued with all seven

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of them who died without children.
Finally, the woman also died. So

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tell us, whose wife will should
be in the resurrection, for all seven

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men were married to her. Jesus
replied, marriages for people here on earth.

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But in the age to come,
those worthy of being raised from the

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dead will neither marry nor be given
in marriage, and they will never die

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again. In this respect, they
will be like angels. They are children

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of God and the children of the
Resurrection. But now as to whether the

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dead will be raised, even Moses
proved this when he wrote about the burning

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Bush, long after Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died. He referred

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to the Lord as the God of
Abraham, the God of Isaac, and

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the God of Jacob. So he
is the God of the living, not

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the dead, for they are all
alive to him, well said teacher,

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remarks some of the teachers of religious
law who are standing there, And then

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no one dared to ask him any
more questions. I love Luke's version of

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that. Yeah, well, I
love how Luke is the one because honestly,

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the Matthew one and the Mark one
are almost almost virtually identical, almost

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word for word. It's almost astounding, because honestly, of all the gospel

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parallels that we've been in this series
with uh, there's not too many that

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have have matched like this, I
mean, and this is this is not

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just three verses, this is like
this is a decent amount of verses here.

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But anyway, but Luke's verson is
I love how he says marriage is

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for people here on earth. He
includes that sentence, right, so he's

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not talking just in the in the
prospect of having Hey, you'll neither be

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married or given in marriage. He
literally says, nope, it's just for

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people on earth, which is distinctive. That's right. And then at the

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at the end they say, well, well said teacher remarks some of the

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teachers, and that that was actually
different as well. So here's my question.

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My question is were they asking genuinely
or were they trying to trap him?

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It doesn't say they're trying to trap
him, So I have a tendency

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believe they weren't trying or else the
scriptures to mention it, uh, because

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they are people who don't believe in
the resurrection. Uh, Sadducees didn't were

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they legitimately saying like, hey,
uh, here's an argument. Here's an

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argument, And I'll give you one
that nobody has been able to answer.

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Because this is the reason why I'm
a sadduce this is the reason why I

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don't believe in the resurrection, So
tell me this master? So impractical?

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Right? And then and then uh, and so were they legitimately saying wow?

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Well said? Were they legitimately asking? Have you ever thought about that?

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Yeah? I haven't thought about that. What do you think? I

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just assumed that it was. It's
a it's a perpetual test. There's a

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constant wrestling. So in this,
in this situation, what they're trying to

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do, I think is offer a
question that's unanswerable because nobody else has been

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able to answer it yet, and
maybe minimize Jesus impact in teaching. Right.

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I think that's personally. I think
that's what they're trying to do.

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We just never see the Sadducees actually
coming up looking for truth from Jesus,

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right, right, So definitely right, So it's not consistent with their character

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up to this point. And then
the fact that Luke says after he answered

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that when they quit trying to trick
him, right, they doesn't say they

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keep trying to They didn't ask him
any more questions. Well, so someone

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dared right ask him any more questions, which is a pretty good So this

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is my best argument, and you
beat me on now, and I'm not

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going to talk about it right right, right, So it seems like that

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to me, But I don't know
the reality is The note here for Luke,

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chapter twenty, verse thirty seven thirty
says Jesus answered the Saige's question,

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then he went beyond it to the
real issue. People may ask you tough

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religious questions such as how can a
loving God allow people to starve? Or

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if God knows what I'm going to
do, do I have any free choice?

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If they do, follow Jesus example, first answer them to the best

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of your ability, then look to
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personal tragedy, for example, or
difficulty in making decision. Often the spoken

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question is only a test not of
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your willingness to listen and care.
And I think that that's really interesting how

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Jesus he answers the one, which
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we don't believe in the resurrection.
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both Matthew Mark and Luke that said, these don't believe in resurrection, right,

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so they come and go, Hey, so you know, the law

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says, if a widow doesn't have
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dead guy is supposed to marry her
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if that happens seven times, which
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they use that. Right, if
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know whose wife is she going to
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there's no marriage in heaven. Then
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but let me talk about the resurrection, which is really their issue. They

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were challenging the resurrection, they weren't
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sitting in a room one time.
I was I don't know, probably twenty

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two twenty three. My wife and
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serving at this church that was a
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adults. We had about twenty five
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in the church. And then my
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My wife was expecting our first,
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just talking and Bonnie and I were
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adventure all the time. And the
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and the old lady said, well, you know why there's no marriage

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in heaven is because God is good
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goodness, that's because this one was
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break. Yeah, no doubt.
That's really funny. It's really funny.

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And we were like, oh,
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funnier to my wife now than it
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married for thirty something years. Yeah. And and by the way, I'm

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I'm gonna side note something completely seemingly
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of the only times ever in the
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humans and angels. So it does
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lower than the angels, right in
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one it says, in this respect, they would be like the angels.

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Right, they're children of God and
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not, if not careful, you
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think a couple of years ago.
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How angels get their wings? Right, humans die and then what they

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do is, oh, we get
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I can't even tell you how many
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now she's an angel in heaven.
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will never ever ever be angels,
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That's it. I'm not gonna listen
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right, right, because I want
Grandma picture, that's right, I picture

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Grandma with a halo and everything else. But that's true. Angels are totally

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different beings from humans. And you
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right, and so and and and
so here's the distinction he said in this

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respect. Yes, that's what he's
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in what is he talking about.
He's saying in this respect, just like

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angels are not a part of marriage
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a part of marriage in heaven.
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So he's not saying that they are
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Bible, you like you referenced.
The Bible speaks to humans as being a

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totally different people, are a totally
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mentioned the one that the Bible one
references that the humans are a little lower

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than the angels. That's talking about
power, right, ye. Power.

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In another passage, it says that
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So there's totally separate. We're not
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we're not judging previous dead people.
Right, that's not it. They're

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totally separate. And you know,
the angels don't have while some sinned and

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went with Satan, a third of
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Satan lucifer U. Two thirds didn't. And but there doesn't seem to be

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a redemption process for the angels,
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face to face kind of a thing, and they they didn't have it.

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Whereas God offers grace to us.
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and I, after we die,
we will be like him because we will

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see him as he is right,
we'll know him. We will become bodies

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of flesh and bone. The Bible
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we will come back to life,
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It'll be a new creation. And
so you will be you. You won't

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be you know, an angelic version
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heaven and people will know you and
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right, and yeah, so's it's
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kind of peek in at that.
But there's some some newly weds out there.

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right, right, And yeah that's
a surprise because we can't imagine without life

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without it hardly well, right,
and for those of us who are married

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for sure. And by the way, when people have a hard time imagining

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things in heaven, always always immediately
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well, pretend you're never sad about
anything, right, So it's like,

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oh, no marriage in heaven.
Oh that makes me sad. Okay,

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Well, pretend that sadness cannot exist
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don't have to pretend, right,
it doesn't imagine it. Yeah, yeah,

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there's no more tears, there's no
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So if you're not sad about no
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okay, right, Every single thing
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It's like my buddy, I have
a really good friend in college I talk

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to periodically. He's a pastor in
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the mail room in Bible College one
day and he goes, do you ever

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try to imagine, Chris, you
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of years go by in heaven.
He goes, Then, then life will

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just just had just begun in heaven. He goes, don't you don't you

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try to imagine how boring that might
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and I remember just like being astounded
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that's right, right, And then
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well, imagine if boredom never existed. Imagine if every negativity, you

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know, all the negativity is gone
about Oh I'm so sad because I'm so

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bored. Imagine that doesn't exist.
And then guess what, Everything's okay,

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right, Everything's okay, It's all
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then and he was like, oh
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never thought about that because you're,
well, one, there's no time,

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so you're not going to go,
oh, well, that's a billionaires just

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went by, right, right,
So no time. So God exists outside

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out the side of time, right, So I don't think that time will

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be an issue. It'll be existence. You're just you're existing in delight,

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right, and and in pure joy
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know you we are complete. So
at the very beginning of creation, here's

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my little theory. At the very
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Then God took woman from man,
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meaning he created woman from man.
Yes, that's that's right him,

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he created a woman from man.
You read the first couple chapters book of

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Genesis, uh, and they they
they need each other, they complete each

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other. But in heaven we will
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of that, then the marriage element
is not necessary. So I told my

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wife, I said, that just
means we're gonna date for eternity. Dating

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is fun, right right, Yeah, that's a good way to think about

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it. So I don't know that's
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I know, Uh so uh,
any other takeways. I was just

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trying to think of people listening to
the podcast. You know, what can

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we apply How can we apply this
today? I don't know, what do

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you think? Well, Jesus' focus
is on the resurrection, so you know,

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there's the distraction of this complex little
issue, which was easy for Jesus

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soulve but he went to the heart
of the issue, which is the resurrection.

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We have to prepare for that.
We have to be ready for the

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fact that there's life after this life. So we have to be thinking about

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the fact that this life is just
dress rehearsal for eternity. Yeah, that's

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all this is. Yeah, that's
a great application. All right, Well,

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that's our time, so hopefully we
will see you next time on the

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Bible. Guys,