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That's very very nice. Okay,
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want to thank you guys so much
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spiritual experience that definitely changed my life. Wow. That's amazing. Wow,

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I love that you know, Johnny, that's amazing. Yeah. When somebody

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discovers God for the first time and
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the power of God that changes lives, that's amazing. Yeah, that's great.

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Yeah. So hey, Johnny,
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before, but the Bible says that
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for us, and that everyone who
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If you believe that Jesus paid the
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to confess your sins and invite him
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the King of your life. Everyone
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can be saved. Right. That's
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on that journey. That's really incredible. It's great. So and we're glad

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that we get to be a part
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correct, sweetness. Well good,
So today we are in Matthew chapter twenty

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seven, Mark fifteen, Luke twenty
three, and John eighteen. Yes,

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and then we're going to go back
to Luke twenty or twenty three again.

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Okay, so we're going to cover
some ground. The last couple ones we've

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done only had just a few verses, and now we're reading half the Bible

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on this. We're making up for
lost time. Buckle up. So this

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is Jesus standing before Pilot. This
is his first trial against Pilot. So

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Matthew chapter twenty seven, verse eleven
says, now Jesus was standing for Pilot

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the Roman governor. Are you king
of the Jews? The governor asked him.

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Jesus replied, you have said it. But when the leading priests and

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the elders made their accusations against him, Jesus remained silent. Don't you hear

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all these charges they're bringing against you, Pilot demanded, but Jesus made no

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response to any of the charges,
much to the governor's surprise. In Mark

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chapter fifteen, verse two, Pilot
asked Jesus, are you the king of

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the Jews. Jesus replied, you
have said it. Then the leading priests

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kept accusing him of many crimes,
and Pilot asked him, aren't you going

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to answer them? What about all
these charges they bringing against you? But

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Jesus said nothing, much to Pilot's
surprise, and in Luke chapter twenty three,

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verse one, it says, then
the entire council took Jesus to Pilot,

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the Roman governor. They began to
state their case. This man has

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been leading our people astray by telling
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Roman government, and by claiming he
is the messiah, a king. So

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Pilot asked him, are you the
king of the Jews? Jesus replied,

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you've said it. Pilot turned to
the leading priests into the crowd and said,

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I find nothing wrong with this man. Then they became inconsistent. But

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he is insistent, insistent what I
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okay, But they became insistent,
but he is causing riots by his teaching

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wherever he goes, all over Judea, from Galilee to Jerusalem. Oh is

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he a Galilean, Pilot asked,
When they said that he was. Pilot

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sent him to Herod Antipas because Galilee
was under Herod's jurisdiction, and Herod happened

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to be in Jerusalem at the time. And then in John eighteen, verse

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twenty eight, it says jesus trial
before Caiaphas ended in the early hours of

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the morning, and then he was
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His accusers didn't go inside because it
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allowed to celebrate the passover. So
Pilot the governor went out to them and

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asked, what is your charge against
this man? We wouldn't have handed him

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over to you if he weren't a
criminal, they retorted. Then take him

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away and judge him by your own
law. Pilot told him only the Romans

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are permitted to execute someone. The
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the way he would die. Then
Pilot went back into his headquarters and called

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for Jesus to be brought to him. Are you the king of the Jews?

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He asked him. Jesus replied,
is this your own question or did

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others tell you about me? Am
I a Jew? Pilot retorted, your

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own people and their leading priests brought
you to me for trial. Why what

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have you done? Jesus answered,
My kingdom is not an earthly kingdom.

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If it were, my followers would
fight to keep me from being handed over

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to the Jewish leaders. But my
kingdom is not of this world. Pilot

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said, so you are a king, and Jesus responded, you say I'm

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a king. Actually, I was
born and came into the world that testified

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to the truth. All who love
the truth recognize what I say is true.

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And then in Luke chapter twenty three, verse eight, it says Herod

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was delighted at the opportunity to see
Jesus because he'd heard about him and had

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been hoping for a long time to
see him perform a miracle. He asked

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Jesus question after question, but Jesus
refused to answer. Meanwhile, the leading

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priests and the teachers of religious law
stood there shouting their accusations, and then

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Herod and his soldiers began mocking and
ridiculing Jesus, and finally they put a

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royal robe on him and sending back
the pilot. Herod and Pilot, who

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had been enemies before, became friends
that day. So really, there's only

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one passage that talks about him going
to Herod and then coming back, and

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it's only Luke, chapter twenty three, that's correct. So there's only verses

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eight through twelve, that's it.
So Luke's the only one that covers the

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Herod account part of the trial.
And even though the other ones say,

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like the John said, hey,
we're going to send him to Herod,

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but Luke's the only one that talks
about Herod and that's amazing. And Herod's

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just intrigued because he heard Jesus did
really cool things. Right, Hey,

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come over this. This would be
like inviting Chris Angel to your big party

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and saying, hey, do some
card tricks, dude? Can you levitate?

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Yeah? Right, that's what's happening. He's a celebrity that wants another

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celebrity coming here. Yeah. Herod
didn't even care the fact. He didn't

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seem like he cared that he was
on Travor's life. No, no,

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no, he's just like, ooh
sweet, I heard about this guy.

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I'm glad you came all way over
here, right, which is kind of

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Herod was known for monkey boy,
Yeah exactly. Herod was known for debauchery

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and partying and very hedonistic lifestyle,
which is strange. He was Jewish that

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had bought his position right his father
before him, his grandfather before him,

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and they had sold out the Jewish
people to be kings. And so at

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this point now he's outside of mainstream
Judaism certainly, and he's just live in

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this wild, crazy, self centered
life. And so for him, it

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makes total sense that he would see
this more as a party favor than anything

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else. And then they dress him
up like a king in purple robes and

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send him back to Pilot, and
apparently Pilot thought that was funny. They

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became friends that day. Yeah,
right. They were enemies because you have

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Herod, who is the kind of
the Roman face for the Jews, like,

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hey, let's have one of them, so he calm him down,

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and Pilot being the Roman face of
the Romans, and so there was some

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tension between these two leaders. But
their palaces were very close. If you

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ever look a map of ancient Israel
or ancient Jerusalem at the time, their

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palaces were close. So it's not
like it had to get a chariot and

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go, you know, back up
to Galilee. It happened that one of

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Herod had palaces all over Israel,
right right. Why it said he happened

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to be in Jerusalem that time,
but it meant he wasn't just like down

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the street, like at the corner
market. He just was at his palace

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in Jerusalem. Yeah. Well,
it's Passover. This is the biggest thing

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happening in the whole nation right now. He wants to be seen. It's

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like going to Super Bowl. All
the people who don't like football, but

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they're you know, they're already famous, and then they go buy a suite

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and they spend a million dollars on
a suite they don't even care about because

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they don't care about the game.
They just want to be seen. Yeah.

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In some cases, yeah, yeah, a lot of times. And

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that's kind of I think Herod's thing. It's not that Herod was celebrating Passover,

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it was just that this is the
happening scene this week. I want

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to be there, and he had
a palace in Jerusalem, so he went,

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and so they pass him off like
this. But I think that the

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amazing thing is the conversation that's recorded
in Luke twenty three that's not recorded in

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the rest with regard to it,
just says in the others, are you

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the king of the Jews? Right, Matthew Mark right? But in Luke

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it kind of begins to unpack the
conversation. Oh no, no, no,

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not Luke, John John right.
John begins to say, are you

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know only the Romans are permitted to
execute someone? Is what the Jewish leaders

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say? And then he goes back
and he's having this conversation with Jesus,

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are you the king of the Jews? And he goes, is this your

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question? Did always tell you about
me? He gets mad, what do

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you think? I'm a Jew?
Like I care what the what the Pharisees

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and the priests are saying. Right, And then John also talks records more

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about the conversation about truth. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's

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how it ends. Yeah, and
is pilot the second time is that when

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he says what is truth? Yes? Right? So they have another conversation

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later on sort of like an extend, extended conversation at this beginning one right

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here, because uh, because yeah, obviously Jesus is claiming about truth here

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and that's the only thing he says
in the first meeting. You know,

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I I uh, I think that
it's very very typical for people to pass

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the buck. So, you know, a little sermon within a sermon here

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is what's pilot do. He tries
to shake off his responsibility, and he

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tries to say, oh, he's
Galilean. Yes, you know, I

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could argue and say this isn't my
problem, it's Harri's problem. Absolutely.

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Yeah. Oh I don't want to
deal with the skeletony yeah, and uh

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And sometimes I think that as pastors, uh don't. I've seen you do

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this where you actually take responsibility for
other pastors wrongdoings. So somebody, so

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somebody treats somebody poorly and you're like, hey, I'm not I'm not a

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pastor of your previous church, but
I am a pastor. I'm sorry.

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So I just apologize on behalf of
pastors everywhere, and on behalf of the

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church. We're you try to step
up and you know, try to make

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it right just because you don't want
to see somebody fall or things like this.

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It's the opposite of what a lot
of people do. A lot of

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people just say, hey that you
know, I'm gonna shrek off the responsibility.

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This is not my problem. You
know. It feels segregated in people's

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minds sometimes, but it's not.
We're the big church where the big Sea

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Church. For every church that believes
that the way to heaven is through Jesus

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Christ, right, we own we
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and with religious leaders, and we
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Yeah, and each other. You
can't hardly blame him that he doesn't

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want to touch this. He doesn't
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poll. He feels like he's getting
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really nothing to that. Come on, really, Oh, he told people

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don't pay their taxes. He doesn't
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deal. It's the only reason why
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was collect taxes, which may mean
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the caesar to that, which is
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it happened in Jerusalem when that when
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Jerusalem, So maybe maybe he knew
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so common that he's like, yeah, welcome to every Jews. He says

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that, yeah exactly, which is
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nobody wants to pay their job.
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and then he just wants to know
are you really a king? Like,

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are you gonna cause me trouble?
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you a king of the Jews?
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it. You're Galilean. Galilean is
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fault in this man, right,
yeah. So so he's like, come

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on, guys, you just you
just want to kill him. That's that

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you want him kill him, and
you want me to do it, and

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I don't see any fault. And
then he finds out, oh wait a

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minute, king of the Jews from
Galilee. Oh, Herod's the king of

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the Jews. Let's go ahead see
if you if you'l And so Jesus never

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says a word to Herod not a
thing to Herod not and you can just

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imagine how infuriating that would be.
So boring, But again you can see

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how little care Herod puts into his
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he just starts mocking him and sends
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boring. I thought this was gonna
be fine. It's not fun. Yeah,

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go back over and you know it
is fine, and put a purple

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robe on him. Yeah yeah,
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and then send him back to pilot. I don't want to mess with

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this anymore. And so then he
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tomorrow we'll talk about more of that
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But this idea of you know what
is truth is incredible because Jesus speaking to

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him, it's almost you can see
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him off the hook. Are you
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well, my kingdom's not an earthly
kingdom. So immediately Pily goes, this

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guy's nuts, right, He's no
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the me that totally lets him off
the hook. And then he goes you

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know, if it were my followers
would fight you. But they're not going

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to fight you, which, by
the way, he's implying, you know

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all of Israel likes me. Right, you want a full blown riot,

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I could have given you one.
You want a full blown revolt, I

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could have brought one if I wanted
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power to power in that moment,
I think Pilot had an understanding and it's

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picking up on the fact that Jesus
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And then he goes, but my
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he says, so you are a
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I'm a king. Actually, I
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You know, I'm the King of
truth. That's what I'm here for

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you. You want to know what
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I'm not about your power. I'm
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about your empire. I was here. I come from a different kingdom,

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and I'm just trying to bring truth
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like Pilot. He had to be
thinking, I think this guy's lost as

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marbles right right, well, because
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of this world, right, And
at the time, like think about like

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of this world? Like what are
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And and and then and then he
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know, cerebral, you know,
you know, I came to testify of

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truth. And I'm sure probably is
probably thinking is he talking about the world

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of the mind? Right, right? Like what is he talking about?

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So who are you saying? Are
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you're saying, you're saying you're right? Right, that's because a king not

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of this world? Really, that's
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Is that what you're You're some kind
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the thing. And he had to
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so you can clearly see he doesn't
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we'll see again he has no desire
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to let Pilot off the hook,
but I do feel like Pilot got played.

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I think he just runs out of

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gas and doesn't want to engage with
this anymore. And what's what is it

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to me to kill one more weirdo, right right right. And by the

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way, let's not overlook the fact
that John is the book here that includes

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the conversation, like you said about
truth. It's also the one that talks

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about uh uh, only the Romans
are permitted to execute someone. That's that's

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another insightful thing. But John also
includes that his accusers, his accusers didn't

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want to go inside of Pilot's house
because it would defile them and they wouldn't

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be allowed to celebrate the passover,
right right, right, So so if

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going into a gentile's house made them
unclean, which it did, right,

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So they're they're they're they're wanting Pilot
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Jesus for them. And at the
same time, unfortunately they can't go

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in because if they do go in, by the way, they'll have to

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go and cleanse themselves and they'll isolate
they isolate themselves for what is like seven

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days or three days? Yeah,
it depends on what the I don't remember

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what the yeah vacation would be,
but yeah, whatever the law said,

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and they probably have to go into
the seat. They probably have to go

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into a like the Sea of Galilee
first and then isolate themselves for days,

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and they can't do that because the
passover literally is within twenty four hours and

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so, you know, which is
obviously on the Sabbath. So yeah,

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here, which means that these aren't
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a courtyard public conversation. That's what's
happening here. It's happening in the courtyard

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with everybody around because it's not indoors, right, yeah, so everybody can

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see it happening. Right. This
isn't the room where it happened, remember

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Hamilton, Yeah, the room it
happened, the room happen. So the

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difficulty for Pilot here is he's confronted
with truth and he doesn't know for sure

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what truth is, but he does
know this truth Jesus is not guilty,

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he's not worthy of death, and
he rejects the truth he does have.

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And so I think sometimes people have
are have access to some of God's truths,

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but they won't make a decision until
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they feel like, well there's more. I don't understand it all right now,

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so I can't make a decision and
Pilot made a decision he didn't understand

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at all. I think he thought
Jesus little nuts on some of this stuff.

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But the truth he did know was
Jesus wasn't guilty of anything worthy of

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death right, and he rejected that. Even if Jesus is trying to say,

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hey, I have a different kingdom, he rejects that idea, doesn't

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even ask any more questions about it. He's going to it again. He

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just asks about truth and that's it. And then, you know, so

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I think that it's really important for
us to take the truth that we do

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have the words of God, that
you do have the access to Jesus,

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that you do have, respond positively
to that, and then God will continue

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to reveal more of his truth to
you. And so this is why Pilot

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is also culpable in this whole process. And so you have both the Jews

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and the Gentiles being culpable in the
execution of Jesus. Is he had access

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to truth and rejected it. So
something you just said reminds me of something.

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You know, you've talked with skeptics
or agnostics or people who say,

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hey, I've refused to make a
decision about Christ because I have some questions,

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you know, and and there these
are my questions. And until I

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get those answers, I want to
debate. And I'm a thinker, and

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all these different kind of things.
And I would just say, over the

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thirty years i've been a pastor,
I've never seen anybody, you know,

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intellectually get all their questions answered.
And that was their way into heaven.

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get all the answers and then make a

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decision to become a Christian because not
everything is going to be answered to everybody's

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satisfaction. And if you're a person
that's very inquisitive and you want to know

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more, and this is you know, if you're the type of person a

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project manager who says, I can't
go in until every last stone is unturned

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and everything is explored, I know
every possible angle before I enter into any

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project. Which there are people like
that, and that's a good thing in

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a lot of ways. But when
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that we are required to just you
know, take by faith, which,

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by the way, even Jesus interacting
in the thirty three years that he lived,

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there were things that he didn't explain
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Yeah, he never gave people explanations
on some things. Well, that's

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what we understand, is that we
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Right, And so it comes to
both the truth is there, and

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the truth is clear, and the
Holy Spirit can show you the truth.

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But there is a faith moment when
you have to just decide to say,

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I'm not God and I have to
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We do that all the time.
You get in your car, even

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the best engineer doesn't know every single
element. You get in a plane and

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you sit down and you lets but
you've never even met you didn't even look

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at their license, and you let
them fly you at five hundred and fifty

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miles an hour, thirty thousand feet
above the ground, hollow metal tube.

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We live by faith all the time. And so it's that level of faith.

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I understand thrust, I understand lift, I understand some of those things.

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I trust the brand of Delta Airlines. Right, So I've got these

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things, and so I'm making an
educated decision. I'm taking the preponderance of

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the evidence. That guy's wearing gold
eagles on his shoulder, he's got a

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blue hat. He's standing there greeting
me right next to the door. Apparently

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he's allowed in. And I've seen
Delta work before. I think the plane's

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going to get me to Omaha.
Empirical evidence, Yeah, exactly, and

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so I take the preponderance of that
evidence, and the evidence the truths are

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enough for me to go okay.
All the things I don't understand and know,

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I can trust that they do,
and then I can place my faith

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in that pilot to get me to
Omaha or wherever I'm going. It's the

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same thing. So you can take
the truths either you accept them, a

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reject them, take the preponderance of
the evidence, and then go okay.

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By faith. I can accept the
rest while I'm still learning and discovering those

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things. Do you fly to Omaha
much? No? I know, I

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said, Omaha, I'm just trying
to go down alright. Well, hey,

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we are right at that time.
So that's been you know, that's

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wrapping up today and we'll pick it
up tomorrow. On the bibble gush