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They started winking out
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and it was just blackness.

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The thing had no color to it,
no lights, just it blanked out

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all the stars as it went over

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me, and I didn't know if I

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maybe felt a little
electrostatic energy from it,

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or it was just chill bumps
because this thing was massive.

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Oh, how big was it
in your field of view?

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If I put a number on it,
I would say maybe.

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Maybe it was 300ft wide.

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So 1980. Now jump to 1990.

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And I'm an instructor
at the test pilot school

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and also had a pretty fast
motorcycle that I liked to go

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right out in the evening.

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And I would write out
there was a road that

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went toward the south based
gate this one particular night.

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I'm just watching this beautiful

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canopy of stars
over me in from behind me.

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They started winking out
in the shape of a huge triangle.

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Very sharp corner on the front.

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Just quietly moved
on, didn't accelerate,

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did nothing,
but it was going so slow.

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It was shocking.

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And I did have a chance
to go talk to George Knapp.

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And when it got to that third
one, George Knapp, who sitting

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kind of at the end of the table
and Jeremy's here beside me.

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George Knapp
leaned in across the table

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and looked me eyeball
to eyeball. And he said.

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Welcome back to the

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Safe Aerospace Podcast and part
two with my two part series

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with Dan Isbell, former Air
Force pilot turned test pilot.

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For the first time,
we're bringing you

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all the details
of the encounters

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that Dan has been through
throughout his life.

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And now on the part
two with Dan.

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So 1980 now jumped in 1990.

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And I'm an instructor

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at the test pilot school
of one of my favorite jobs.

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I would have stayed there
ten years if they would let me.

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If you've ever been out there

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or maybe a China
leg, probably the same thing

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when you're out at night.

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There's no clouds,
there's no humidity,

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and you can see the Milky Way
like amazing.

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It's like an astronomy
observatory.

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And I also had a

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pretty fast motorcycle
that I like to go

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right out in the evening.

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And, and I would write out
there was a road

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that went toward the south base
gate.

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It's a long way
down to the gate.

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So it went by the

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classified South base,
which is just south of regular,

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and there's also a north base

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that was more NASA, Dryden
and classified stuff there.

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Then the main base

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had had more like,
okay, not super classified,

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but still maybe
some secret stuff.

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And the South Base is where
we had tested the B-2 after,

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and I was accidentally
caught it on video

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when I was making a movie
on the very first flight.

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It took off,
and then I got stopped

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by the Aussie after we landed.

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But anyway, the,

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the right

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out there, I would go out
and just look at the stars

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for a little while
before I went to bed.

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And this one particular night,
I'm just watching this beautiful

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canopy of stars over me
and from behind me.

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They started winking out
in the shape of a huge triangle.

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And it was just blackness.

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This thing had no color to it,
no lights, just

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it blanked out all the stars
as it went over me,

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and it gave me chill bumps.

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And I didn't know if I

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maybe felt a little
electrostatic energy from it.

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Or it was just chill moms,
because this thing was massive.

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I can't estimate its full size
because I don't know

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exactly how high it was,
but it seemed to be pretty low.

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How big was it
in your field of view?

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Oh, it took one side to side
tip dip.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah, it was out there.
It was really, really big.

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So if I put a number on it
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maybe it
was 300ft wide. It was huge.

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Triangular.

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Yeah.

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Perfectly triangular.

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Very sharp corner on the front.

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And here I'm on, I'm on, I'm

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on the government property
of the base and the range.

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And so I didn't tell anybody
about that one because

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I didn't know
if that was something

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we were reverse engineering

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and why we would be flying it
there.

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I don't know.

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No sound
I assume. No sound. Yeah.

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This one did not have any

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like a luminescence
around the edges and all like

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the one I'd experienced in the
in the UK.

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So I didn't know what it was,

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but I'd already got kind of
in trouble with the ozone

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for one of the Friday nights
before that.

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I just always coming up
with stuff in my mind,

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and I'd come up with a way
to make airplanes

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invisible visually,
not just illuminating radar.

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And I kind of thought it

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through mathematically
and how it could be done,

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and I didn't think
anything about it.

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But we were just, you know,

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having with the students

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who would usually go over
to the officer's club

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a little bit and kind of blow
off steam on a Friday night.

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And I was
just talking to him about it.

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Theoretically,
nothing. I knew about it.

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And suddenly
guys come up in suits

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and they grabbed me
by the shows and said, sir,

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come with miss, come with us.

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And they take me off
to a private room.

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And they, they said,

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how do you know about this?

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I said, no, about what?

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And he said,
what you were talking about.

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Could you just told me because.

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You just said,
I don't know anything about it.

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I just did something in my head

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and they said,
don't ever talking about again,

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because we got a program
trying to do that right now.

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I said, oh, well, I didn't know.

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So finally, you know,
they took that as my word

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because they knew.

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I'm an honorable officer
and doing good,

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and I never talked to us
all about it again.

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I still haven't told anybody
what I was theorizing about

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because because what they said,
don't ever talk about it again.

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So I certainly wouldn't
go and talk about

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this thing
that came over my head,

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especially
while I'm doing the favorite job

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I never had teaching test pilot
students. That was so much fun.

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My goal was always to make them
a better test pilot

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than I ever was.

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If I could achieve them,

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and they could master
these flight test techniques

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to perfection. That's
what gave me joy.

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And so I really love teaching.

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And I wasn't
about to jeopardize that job,

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because if it was something
that wasn't supposed to be seen

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and I

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shouldn't have been out there

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and I shouldn't talk about it,

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that would have been
a ball of worms

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I didn't want to get into.

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So I already had that
experience, that.

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How'd that experience ended?

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It just continue to fly past
you and went out of sight.

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Just quietly moved on.

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Didn't
accelerate, did nothing. Just.

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But it was going so slow.

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It was shocking.

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Again,
like the first experience.

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How does it do that without
projecting anything I can hear

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there's nothing there
that makes sense to me.

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So there's got to be a different
propulsion system to do that.

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And I don't know, you know,

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I've seen some of the stuff

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about tier three B's
and some of the things

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they've talked about
with doing how that would work.

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And I don't know
if any of that's true or not,

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if it's all just stuff,
the money, the waters.

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But whatever this thing was
doing was very unusual.

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this was a perfect triangle
and not as small as the one

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I'd seen in the UK, but
it didn't have a curved front.

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It had a pointy front and
pointy ends, but it was huge.

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So I just decided
I'd had enough for that night.

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And I got back on my motorcycle,
went back and went to bed

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and didn't tell a soul, didn't

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tell my wife,
didn't tell anybody.

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So that's the second one I had.

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And that's really kind of the
the full story of it.

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And I know other
people have had experiences

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where something
just blanks out the stars.

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Yeah, I've heard very similar
things as well.

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Yeah, yeah.
So I can't say that that's a

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an alien
craft or anything like that.

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I don't know what it was.

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It could have been something
we were testing

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because we tested
lots of other stuff out there,

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but I would have thought

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if it was something
we were testing,

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it would probably have been
better up at area 51.

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Yeah.

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So again, what was it? No idea.

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But it it really was weirded
me out that wait a minute.

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I've had two

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fairly close encounters
with these things now. Why?

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Why me?

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Not everybody had it.

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Or at least certainly
nobody talked about it.

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If they did.

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Did it go, like right
over your head or was it offset?

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Literally? Yeah. Right over me.

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Almost like it was intentional

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because I'm
the only thing out there.

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I mean,

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you get far enough down
the south based South Gate Road,

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and you just have
the dry lake bed and you have

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some mounted desert
deserti stuff.

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But the lights of the main base
are no longer

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creating a visual problem
because, I mean,

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you know, street

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lights and runway and lights
and all that stuff.

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You can't really see the sky
real good

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unless you get out their ways.

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So I'd always get out there ways
where

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now I don't have anything.

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It's just like quiet.

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And that was my favorite place
to go.

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Stargaze.

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And I did that pretty often,
just kind of in the in the day.

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I've always done that
since I was a child.

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Just real quick.

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I mean, the object size
that you're talking about.

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I mean, you wouldn't even
be able to put that in a hangar.

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No. Right. No.

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So a one test object,
I mean, one of my hypothesize

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that it was an inflatable

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in some way,
right, with a rigid structure,

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with some almost Vantablack

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type capability, where it's
just absorbing as much light

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as as physically possible
in order to avoid reflections.

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Right.

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Because even on even on
a starlight provides

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more than enough light
against a normal object

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to typically be able to at least
pick out the skin of it.

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You know,

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coming in the land
at a carrier in the,

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you know,
the middle of the ocean,

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you know, if you got starlight,
that's a bright night.

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But if there's an overcast layer
at 8000ft or something,

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it can be like having your eyes
closed out there.

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Yeah. For sure.

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So, I mean, you'd need,
you know,

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it can't just be a normal black
object.

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It would have to really be
absorbing as much as possible.

252
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Or. Or

253
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it would be utilizing some

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what I call
optical stealth technology.

255
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And maybe, you know, there's
two ways of thinking about that.

256
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Maybe it

257
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does, you know, operates
in a way that you just described

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where you
can't see what's behind it.

259
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A lot of

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optical stealth technologies,
other,

261
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other ways of implementing that,
that I could imagine

262
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would basically still allow you
to see what's behind the craft.

263
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Right?

264
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You'd basically be,

265
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you know,

266
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almost piping the light
from behind it

267
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and ejecting it out
the front in some way. Right.

268
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So you would still see
like stars going,

269
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you know,
see the stars behind it.

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If this was a human technology,
it would.

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Either
have some kind of massive,

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massive hangar system to store
or it was inflatable using

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some type of Vanth,

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the black style
or optical stealth technology.

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And on top of all that,
you know, potentially

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some type of propulsion system
that doesn't any any audio.

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So I don't know.

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It's all

279
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no answers there, obviously,
but just kind of trying

280
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to describe the scope
of why that's so weird.

281
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Yeah, it was weird.

282
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It definitely gave me
chill bumps

283
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because that was so large,
you know, and like.

284
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Chill bumps or was it, you know,

285
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some kind of electrostatic
field.

286
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Could have been electrostatic
field.

287
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See, I don't know which because
I just know I was tingly.

288
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My my arms felt tingly.

289
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And that kind of encouraged me
to get on my motorcycle and get

290
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out of there,

291
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just go away.

292
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Because it was

293
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another one of those things
that I didn't want to get caught

294
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seeing it, and I didn't want
anybody to know about it

295
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for all the reasons
we've talked about.

296
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You got one more, don't you?

297
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I actually have two. Two more.

298
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So snap forward
now, this time to about 2014.

299
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I'm living in Silver Springs,

300
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Florida,

301
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so now I'm across the country

302
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and I've got this amazingly
secluded property where it's

303
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like quiet because it's so far
away from any kind of lights.

304
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I'm by the Ocala National Forest
and the river

305
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and out to the back
of our place, we had a hot tub

306
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that we liked to go to
that was in a very light,

307
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quiet place
and had an open view of the sky.

308
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And in November,

309
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me and
my wife, November in Florida.

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Sometimes you have just

311
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amazingly clear nights
in a place like that,

312
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and you could see the Milky Way
again.

313
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And I used to just sit
like lounge back in the hot tub

314
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and enjoy

315
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looking at the stars, seeing
how many satellites I could see

316
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because they're very detectable
and they're very predictable

317
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and had seen nothing
all that time.

318
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My wife

319
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finally she was getting
a little shriveled

320
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on my go in and shower off
and get in the bed.

321
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I said, okay,

322
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I think I'm gonna stay out
a little bit longer

323
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because this is
the perfect night.

324
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I'm just enjoying stargazing.

325
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So she went in, I stayed out,
and I still didn't see anything

326
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except an occasional satellite,
maybe a

327
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shooting star here or there.

328
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And then I decided,
okay, I'm getting shriveled.

329
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So I got out of the hot tub
and grabbed my towel.

330
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And about the time I'm

331
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telling off, standing
right by the hot tub,

332
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I'm surrounded

333
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and a perfectly circular
beam of a color.

334
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I would say it's like cyan,
but it wasn't fully blended.

335
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It was a little speckling,

336
00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:18,839
but it was a bluish greenish
light, a beam.

337
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And at first I'm thinking, is
there somebody out here on this?

338
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Just a nice property that's like
trying to pull a prank on me.

339
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And so I look around
horizontally and there's

340
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nothing anywhere.

341
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There's no sound,
there's nothing.

342
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And then I start looking
at this thing.

343
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It's encompassing me
in the hot tub.

344
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It's reflecting off these white
base rocks we had there onto.

345
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We had a shed right there,

346
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but otherwise it's

347
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like very concentrated.

348
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And so I realized, well, it's
almost perfectly circular.

349
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So it's got to be
coming from above.

350
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And then when I look up,
I'm looking

351
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right up the beam
and it comes to a point.

352
00:13:58,671 --> 00:14:02,174
But because it wasn't too bright
to hurt my eyes, but it was,

353
00:14:03,342 --> 00:14:06,345
I couldn't really
tell anything about the craft,

354
00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,766
but it was something up above me
that had just illuminated me

355
00:14:11,392 --> 00:14:12,226
was no sound.

356
00:14:12,226 --> 00:14:14,019
Again, it wasn't a helicopter,

357
00:14:14,019 --> 00:14:15,646
wasn't like a helicopter
searchlight.

358
00:14:15,646 --> 00:14:17,147
That would have really been
blinding.

359
00:14:17,147 --> 00:14:20,150
Yeah,
it was like a defocus laser.

360
00:14:20,442 --> 00:14:21,735
If you've ever worked
with lasers

361
00:14:21,735 --> 00:14:24,780
and you don't have to defocus
the beam, it will.

362
00:14:24,822 --> 00:14:27,616
It won't stay a narrow beam,
it'll it'll spread out.

363
00:14:27,616 --> 00:14:29,451
And you can do that optically.

364
00:14:29,451 --> 00:14:32,121
And you can size it to be
whatever you want it to be.

365
00:14:32,121 --> 00:14:32,371
Right?

366
00:14:32,371 --> 00:14:35,666
Because when you defocus it,
you can spread the energy around

367
00:14:35,958 --> 00:14:38,085
it, still collimated,
but through optics

368
00:14:38,085 --> 00:14:39,420
you can defocus it.

369
00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:42,214
So it kind of reminded me
of like a defocus laser, but

370
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it was not a laser
like I and ever worked with.

371
00:14:45,551 --> 00:14:46,010
And again,

372
00:14:46,010 --> 00:14:48,095
that's I'm doing that job
at this point,

373
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you know, and teaching about it.

374
00:14:50,055 --> 00:14:51,974
But so that's probably why
that came to mind

375
00:14:51,974 --> 00:14:54,894
is I'm talking directed energy
weapons, high power microwaves,

376
00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:56,228
high energy lasers.

377
00:14:56,228 --> 00:14:59,481
But when I had the conscious
thought looking up the beam,

378
00:15:00,107 --> 00:15:02,276
I had a conscious
thought. That's a craft.

379
00:15:03,777 --> 00:15:05,237
Instantly the beam went

380
00:15:05,237 --> 00:15:08,991
out and in place of it,
this thing just like, exploded

381
00:15:08,991 --> 00:15:12,077
into a
a ball of white sphere of light.

382
00:15:12,828 --> 00:15:14,413
Like the light
was originating from.

383
00:15:14,413 --> 00:15:16,081
Yeah, it just like whatever

384
00:15:16,081 --> 00:15:17,750
it was, was encompassed
by this thing.

385
00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:19,501
It was pretty large.

386
00:15:19,501 --> 00:15:22,212
And then in quantum steps.

387
00:15:22,212 --> 00:15:24,006
So it didn't like
gradually increased.

388
00:15:24,006 --> 00:15:27,384
It went from one to the next
and then the next.

389
00:15:27,426 --> 00:15:30,429
Discrete
discrete quantum intervals.

390
00:15:30,721 --> 00:15:33,682
That thing looked like
it went to twice

391
00:15:33,682 --> 00:15:36,685
its size as a sphere.

392
00:15:36,685 --> 00:15:39,605
And then moments later
it did another quantum leap

393
00:15:39,605 --> 00:15:41,065
to four times the size.

394
00:15:41,065 --> 00:15:44,068
And when it did that it was huge

395
00:15:44,151 --> 00:15:47,154
sphere of this
whatever this was.

396
00:15:47,613 --> 00:15:51,116
And you could see the thing
start to move.

397
00:15:51,992 --> 00:15:54,328
The whole thing of light
seemed like it started to move,

398
00:15:54,328 --> 00:15:56,413
but it was accelerating
extremely fast

399
00:15:56,413 --> 00:16:00,167
and in less than half a second
had just disappeared.

400
00:16:00,292 --> 00:16:01,752
Moving toward the west.

401
00:16:02,962 --> 00:16:04,713
It didn't leave a trail.

402
00:16:04,713 --> 00:16:06,006
It did traverse. Though, right?

403
00:16:06,006 --> 00:16:07,007
Like you could tell it.

404
00:16:07,007 --> 00:16:09,426
He could tell
that initial start of movement,

405
00:16:09,426 --> 00:16:10,719
that acceleration.

406
00:16:10,719 --> 00:16:13,013
So I saw it
start accelerating very quickly.

407
00:16:13,013 --> 00:16:15,015
And then it just blinked out.

408
00:16:15,015 --> 00:16:17,017
It just went.

409
00:16:17,017 --> 00:16:21,355
And I stood there
and absolute shock

410
00:16:21,605 --> 00:16:24,483
and thinking, oh, my wife's
going to be sorry she wasn't.

411
00:16:24,483 --> 00:16:26,318
She went into early to see this.

412
00:16:26,318 --> 00:16:28,362
I have a feeling it was waiting
for her to go inside.

413
00:16:28,362 --> 00:16:30,823
Maybe it was because
there was something about it.

414
00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:33,117
You know, this fact
that my consciousness.

415
00:16:33,117 --> 00:16:36,286
Because I didn't say anything
out loud, my consciousness said,

416
00:16:36,912 --> 00:16:38,580
that's a craft.

417
00:16:38,580 --> 00:16:41,917
And as soon as it soon as I did
that, it took off the beam

418
00:16:41,917 --> 00:16:42,835
that was on me.

419
00:16:42,835 --> 00:16:45,212
And then it
let me see it energized.

420
00:16:45,212 --> 00:16:47,339
I would say those are quantum

421
00:16:47,339 --> 00:16:51,593
energy leaps that then caused it
to just accelerate so fast.

422
00:16:51,593 --> 00:16:54,596
There was no watching it
move away, going faster.

423
00:16:54,930 --> 00:16:56,890
It was almost instantaneous.

424
00:16:56,890 --> 00:16:57,683
I only had that

425
00:16:57,683 --> 00:17:00,227
little bit of a brief window
to see the direction.

426
00:17:00,227 --> 00:17:03,230
It was starting to move in
before it just.

427
00:17:03,856 --> 00:17:05,983
Was out. Yeah.
It was like it just turned off.

428
00:17:05,983 --> 00:17:08,152
How do you I mean, how

429
00:17:08,152 --> 00:17:11,613
how do you technically interpret
that expansion of that light?

430
00:17:11,655 --> 00:17:14,825
Was it was it a light or did it
more appear like a field?

431
00:17:14,950 --> 00:17:16,076
It was a field, like.

432
00:17:16,076 --> 00:17:18,829
A. Plasma. Field
similar to the other.

433
00:17:18,829 --> 00:17:20,998
Yeah. This wasn't this wasn't

434
00:17:22,332 --> 00:17:24,585
it looked like a ball of plasma,

435
00:17:24,585 --> 00:17:27,421
but it wasn't
ionized in the air.

436
00:17:27,421 --> 00:17:29,965
For whatever reason, I wouldn't
seen any color whatsoever.

437
00:17:29,965 --> 00:17:31,675
It was pure white.

438
00:17:31,675 --> 00:17:34,928
When this thing turned
into this sphere of light,

439
00:17:35,387 --> 00:17:37,139
it wasn't a bright light.

440
00:17:37,139 --> 00:17:40,142
I was just aware
that it was this white thing.

441
00:17:41,769 --> 00:17:43,645
But it also didn't
look like a ball.

442
00:17:43,645 --> 00:17:45,481
It had no movement.

443
00:17:45,481 --> 00:17:48,317
It had energy, like energetic.

444
00:17:48,317 --> 00:17:48,692
Okay.

445
00:17:48,692 --> 00:17:50,319
Oh, almost like what

446
00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:53,739
a like a ball lightning kind of
would look like where it it.

447
00:17:54,073 --> 00:17:56,075
Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

448
00:17:56,075 --> 00:17:58,744
So it wasn't like a solid object
at that point.

449
00:17:58,744 --> 00:18:00,662
It kind of had
fuzzy edges to it.

450
00:18:00,662 --> 00:18:03,832
You could tell it wasn't
just like a, a two dimensional

451
00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:08,045
silhouette of like
a beam of light that got bigger.

452
00:18:08,045 --> 00:18:09,296
You interpret it as like a three

453
00:18:09,296 --> 00:18:12,466
dimensional field around
whatever.

454
00:18:13,258 --> 00:18:13,926
There was no light

455
00:18:13,926 --> 00:18:16,678
hitting the ground at that point
because I looked down as well.

456
00:18:16,678 --> 00:18:18,806
And now the thing
that had encircled me,

457
00:18:18,806 --> 00:18:20,557
you know,
and that beam went out.

458
00:18:20,557 --> 00:18:22,142
This wasn't lighting up
anything.

459
00:18:22,142 --> 00:18:24,478
I wouldn't get any reflections
off the rocks or nothing.

460
00:18:24,478 --> 00:18:26,522
It was just there.

461
00:18:26,522 --> 00:18:27,898
I don't know how high it was.

462
00:18:27,898 --> 00:18:29,566
It was certainly above the

463
00:18:30,984 --> 00:18:31,235
there

464
00:18:31,235 --> 00:18:34,238
was some
really large, maybe 400 year old

465
00:18:34,321 --> 00:18:37,116
live oak trees
that were in not too far away

466
00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:39,451
from there,
but this open patch of sky,

467
00:18:39,451 --> 00:18:40,786
it had just parked in there

468
00:18:40,786 --> 00:18:44,206
almost perfectly over the top
of the hot tub at that point.

469
00:18:44,498 --> 00:18:46,708
Never was aware of it
when it came in.

470
00:18:46,708 --> 00:18:48,210
Whatever.
When it came in, it must.

471
00:18:48,210 --> 00:18:50,170
It might have been there
for a little while,

472
00:18:50,170 --> 00:18:53,966
and I just wasn't aware of it
because it picked the time

473
00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:57,136
when I'm out of the tub
and in my bath towel

474
00:18:57,136 --> 00:19:00,139
with my bathing suit on to

475
00:19:00,180 --> 00:19:03,684
just light me up. And.

476
00:19:03,851 --> 00:19:07,146
And so there seemed to me
to be a purposeful thing.

477
00:19:09,064 --> 00:19:11,275
And I did have a chance
to go talk

478
00:19:11,275 --> 00:19:14,319
to George Knapp and and,

479
00:19:15,362 --> 00:19:16,071
Corbell.

480
00:19:16,071 --> 00:19:16,572
Corbell.

481
00:19:16,572 --> 00:19:19,074
Actually, Jeremy Corbell knows

482
00:19:19,074 --> 00:19:21,410
my youngest stepson
is a professional musician.

483
00:19:21,410 --> 00:19:22,995
He performs all over the world.

484
00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:26,415
And he also does write scores
for Hollywood movies.

485
00:19:26,415 --> 00:19:29,877
So I don't know which element of
that was why he was in LA.

486
00:19:29,918 --> 00:19:32,671
And and I don't know
if Jeremy was his friend

487
00:19:32,671 --> 00:19:33,422
because of his lack

488
00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:36,425
in his music or like,
and some of his movie work.

489
00:19:36,633 --> 00:19:39,887
But he and Jeremy
Corbell were talking one day

490
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:41,847
and Jeremy says, hey,

491
00:19:41,847 --> 00:19:44,558
by the way, have you ever seen
anything strange in this guy?

492
00:19:44,558 --> 00:19:49,188
And he says, no, I haven't,
but I think my stepdad has.

493
00:19:50,314 --> 00:19:52,441
He said, really?

494
00:19:52,441 --> 00:19:54,151
What? And he said, I don't know.

495
00:19:54,151 --> 00:19:57,154
He won't talk about it,
just that he's seeing things.

496
00:19:57,279 --> 00:19:59,781
And Jeremy said, well, our

497
00:19:59,781 --> 00:20:01,366
he think he'd come out here
to LA

498
00:20:01,366 --> 00:20:03,076
and talk to me and George Knapp

499
00:20:03,076 --> 00:20:04,494
and he said, I don't know,
let me call him.

500
00:20:04,494 --> 00:20:06,038
So he called me up and he said,

501
00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:07,748
do you want to come
out here and talk to them?

502
00:20:08,916 --> 00:20:10,083
And this was sometime after

503
00:20:10,083 --> 00:20:13,212
you and I had talked,
so I agreed to do so.

504
00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:15,047
But when I talked to him,
I said, look, I'm not ready

505
00:20:15,047 --> 00:20:16,548
to be on your weaponized show

506
00:20:16,548 --> 00:20:17,758
or anything like that
at this point

507
00:20:17,758 --> 00:20:20,802
because I'm still teaching
this, this stuff, but

508
00:20:20,802 --> 00:20:23,805
I'm willing to share with you
all I've got to share.

509
00:20:23,805 --> 00:20:26,808
And when it got to
that third one,

510
00:20:26,934 --> 00:20:29,811
George Knapp, who's sitting
kind of at the end of the table

511
00:20:29,811 --> 00:20:33,982
and Jeremy's here beside me,
and they invited my stepson

512
00:20:33,982 --> 00:20:34,566
to be there to.

513
00:20:34,566 --> 00:20:36,193
And his eyes
were as big a saucer,

514
00:20:36,193 --> 00:20:39,446
and he was drowning some whiskey
because I was like,

515
00:20:39,571 --> 00:20:42,574
weird to hear these stories
from me for the first time.

516
00:20:42,741 --> 00:20:45,702
But it was a good bonding moment
for us after that,

517
00:20:45,702 --> 00:20:48,705
after that third event
that I just described,

518
00:20:48,997 --> 00:20:51,333
George Knapp
leaned in across the table

519
00:20:51,333 --> 00:20:54,169
and looked me
eyeball to eyeball, and he said,

520
00:20:54,169 --> 00:20:56,046
they're tracking you.

521
00:20:56,046 --> 00:20:57,256
That freaked me out.

522
00:20:57,256 --> 00:20:59,716
I never had thought of that,

523
00:20:59,716 --> 00:21:01,718
but it kind of made sense
that maybe, you know,

524
00:21:01,718 --> 00:21:04,221
maybe they are,
maybe whatever it is.

525
00:21:04,221 --> 00:21:06,056
Or maybe George,
he looks serious

526
00:21:06,056 --> 00:21:08,600
as a heart attack
because he hadn't said much.

527
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,186
They were just taking it in
and taking some notes.

528
00:21:11,186 --> 00:21:12,104
At that point,

529
00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:13,855
I kind of stunned me,
and I didn't even tell them

530
00:21:13,855 --> 00:21:16,358
about the fourth encounter
I had had,

531
00:21:16,358 --> 00:21:18,902
which happened after
we moved to where we are now.

532
00:21:20,445 --> 00:21:22,489
But yeah,
that we kind of wrapped it up.

533
00:21:22,489 --> 00:21:25,492
It was late at night
when we had this, this thing,

534
00:21:26,201 --> 00:21:27,619
and then since
we were in California.

535
00:21:27,619 --> 00:21:28,912
Anyway, I took my wife up.

536
00:21:28,912 --> 00:21:30,539
She she was born,

537
00:21:30,539 --> 00:21:32,082
not born,
and she was born in actually

538
00:21:32,082 --> 00:21:34,793
Dayton, Ohio, but
she was raised in Sacramento.

539
00:21:34,793 --> 00:21:37,462
And she wanted to go back
and see the

540
00:21:37,462 --> 00:21:41,133
the redwood forest up there
in the National Redwood

541
00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:45,012
National Park on the northern
coast of California.

542
00:21:45,053 --> 00:21:47,514
That was one of her
favorite forest hiking.

543
00:21:47,514 --> 00:21:50,642
And so we took another flight
up to San Francisco,

544
00:21:50,684 --> 00:21:51,935
got a rental car
and did all that.

545
00:21:51,935 --> 00:21:53,687
For a while we were out there,

546
00:21:53,687 --> 00:21:56,690
but we originally just went into
LA because

547
00:21:56,982 --> 00:22:01,528
Jeremy requested I do so,
and they they were good about

548
00:22:01,611 --> 00:22:04,197
they didn't tell about anything
I told them.

549
00:22:04,197 --> 00:22:06,992
And of course my stuff at that
point wasn't very recent.

550
00:22:06,992 --> 00:22:07,951
So it's not like,

551
00:22:07,951 --> 00:22:08,285
you know,

552
00:22:08,285 --> 00:22:10,579
it's it's just current
as some of the things

553
00:22:10,579 --> 00:22:12,372
that they've been hearing.

554
00:22:12,372 --> 00:22:15,876
But I thought it was good
since they asked to tell them

555
00:22:15,876 --> 00:22:16,835
about it.

556
00:22:16,835 --> 00:22:18,545
And I never had any more contact

557
00:22:18,545 --> 00:22:20,756
with them after that
because, again,

558
00:22:20,756 --> 00:22:23,008
they're so far
beyond anything like that,

559
00:22:23,008 --> 00:22:24,593
you know,
these kind of encounters.

560
00:22:25,969 --> 00:22:27,929
So the do you
want to hear about the last one?

561
00:22:27,929 --> 00:22:30,223
The fourth one. Absolutely.

562
00:22:30,223 --> 00:22:32,851
So we bought a brand new house
that was being built.

563
00:22:32,851 --> 00:22:34,436
As we bought the lot.

564
00:22:34,436 --> 00:22:36,938
They were expanding
in the subdivision.

565
00:22:36,938 --> 00:22:40,359
What year is this was
we got the house in 2016

566
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,779
and sometime in that year.

567
00:22:43,779 --> 00:22:44,613
So now

568
00:22:44,613 --> 00:22:48,492
we've gone from 2014 to 2016
and I've just

569
00:22:48,492 --> 00:22:50,535
changed locations again.

570
00:22:50,535 --> 00:22:53,622
So I've moved to the North
Tampa Bay area

571
00:22:53,622 --> 00:22:56,625
from Silver Springs,

572
00:22:56,625 --> 00:22:58,460
and I'm looking at the back
lanai.

573
00:22:58,460 --> 00:23:00,045
We had sliding glass doors

574
00:23:00,045 --> 00:23:01,004
looking out
the back of the night,

575
00:23:01,004 --> 00:23:02,089
because there was a retention

576
00:23:02,089 --> 00:23:06,093
pond that made a huge sea
around this set of woods

577
00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:09,513
and this beautiful woods
to look at from our backyard.

578
00:23:10,013 --> 00:23:12,099
And we didn't have
a very deep backyard

579
00:23:12,099 --> 00:23:13,975
because of the banks
and the retention pond.

580
00:23:13,975 --> 00:23:16,770
And of course, you know,
retention ponds are pretty

581
00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:18,230
necessary thing in Florida.

582
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:21,108
And it had some
water in it at this point

583
00:23:22,234 --> 00:23:23,819
because
it was, you know, wintertime.

584
00:23:23,819 --> 00:23:25,737
It was a

585
00:23:25,737 --> 00:23:28,615
I think around

586
00:23:28,615 --> 00:23:31,618
March of 2016

587
00:23:32,411 --> 00:23:33,870
and I just haven't gone
to bed yet.

588
00:23:33,870 --> 00:23:34,704
So I'm just looking at

589
00:23:34,704 --> 00:23:37,165
and kind of admiring the view
best I could see it.

590
00:23:37,165 --> 00:23:37,999
You know, it's kind of dark.

591
00:23:37,999 --> 00:23:40,752
And what caught my eye,
was there something

592
00:23:40,752 --> 00:23:43,755
that was this white,
luminous thing

593
00:23:43,964 --> 00:23:46,925
that came out
of the northwest sky

594
00:23:46,925 --> 00:23:50,846
on an angle directly down
toward the retention pond,

595
00:23:50,846 --> 00:23:52,055
and I thought
the thing was going to

596
00:23:52,055 --> 00:23:55,058
whatever was going to smash
right in the retention pond.

597
00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:59,229
But it didn't, as it came
screeching down from above,

598
00:23:59,980 --> 00:24:02,649
it just stopped above
the retention pond

599
00:24:02,649 --> 00:24:04,943
and then kind of started moving
pretty quickly down

600
00:24:04,943 --> 00:24:06,945
the retention
pond, made the curve

601
00:24:06,945 --> 00:24:09,739
slowed down, slowed
down, slowed down, and stopped

602
00:24:09,739 --> 00:24:11,741
right behind my house right
where I'm.

603
00:24:11,741 --> 00:24:13,285
And I'm looking at it.

604
00:24:13,285 --> 00:24:15,245
I'm on the other
side of the sliding glass doors.

605
00:24:15,245 --> 00:24:17,831
I've got them open,
but I'm just looking at it

606
00:24:17,831 --> 00:24:19,249
and it's just stopped there

607
00:24:20,876 --> 00:24:25,547
and it was probably ten feet.

608
00:24:25,547 --> 00:24:27,674
Sphere. That's about like that.

609
00:24:27,674 --> 00:24:29,759
It could have been less
five feet,

610
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:33,180
I would estimate, just based on
knowing if it was over

611
00:24:33,180 --> 00:24:34,556
the center of the retention
pond.

612
00:24:34,556 --> 00:24:37,559
It's probably 70ft away.

613
00:24:37,809 --> 00:24:40,020
But I felt
really spooked by this

614
00:24:40,020 --> 00:24:43,190
because it was just
like a ball of plasma.

615
00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:46,651
I never seen that. Exactly.

616
00:24:46,651 --> 00:24:50,822
Except the thing that turned
into plasma before and off

617
00:24:51,198 --> 00:24:54,409
was that at one point
before it had enough energy to,

618
00:24:54,451 --> 00:24:55,327
to really move away.

619
00:24:55,327 --> 00:24:58,830
So I, I kind of connected
back to that incident.

620
00:25:00,165 --> 00:25:02,709
But I didn't take time to see
how this thing got out of there.

621
00:25:02,709 --> 00:25:04,669
All I did was closed
the door, draw

622
00:25:04,669 --> 00:25:07,464
the blinds, step back
into my living room and say,

623
00:25:07,464 --> 00:25:10,091
I hope it doesn't come in here,

624
00:25:10,091 --> 00:25:11,885
because it kind of
freaked me out.

625
00:25:11,885 --> 00:25:13,553
Yeah. I, I.

626
00:25:13,553 --> 00:25:14,930
Didn't. Know how to think it.

627
00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:15,639
Well, yeah.

628
00:25:15,639 --> 00:25:19,267
And then so when George and said
that they're tracking you,

629
00:25:20,101 --> 00:25:22,187
that hit me. That one.

630
00:25:22,187 --> 00:25:23,355
I dare not even tell them

631
00:25:23,355 --> 00:25:26,107
about this incident,
because maybe they are.

632
00:25:26,107 --> 00:25:28,401
That's kind
of freaky. I don't like that.

633
00:25:29,528 --> 00:25:30,362
Understandable.

634
00:25:30,362 --> 00:25:31,821
Yeah, well.

635
00:25:31,821 --> 00:25:33,323
But yeah, that.

636
00:25:33,323 --> 00:25:34,783
Was a white light
the whole time.

637
00:25:34,783 --> 00:25:36,535
Yep. Reflecting on the water,
perhaps.

638
00:25:36,535 --> 00:25:38,745
I don't know if you could see it
with the burn but.

639
00:25:38,745 --> 00:25:40,789
Didn't didn't see a reflection.

640
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:43,124
It was just
it was white in color.

641
00:25:43,124 --> 00:25:47,337
It was in shape and it was
making no sound whatsoever.

642
00:25:48,838 --> 00:25:51,716
And when that's truly a UAP,
right?

643
00:25:51,716 --> 00:25:55,136
It's an anomalous phenomenon
and no idea what it is.

644
00:25:56,137 --> 00:25:59,391
But ball lightning doesn't
travel like that and stop

645
00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:03,562
at a point and and just kind of
almost like it was intentional.

646
00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:04,062
Yeah.

647
00:26:04,062 --> 00:26:05,480
But I

648
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,483
mean, there weren't many houses
built yet beyond where we were.

649
00:26:08,525 --> 00:26:11,528
They were they were in process
of building a lot of those. So

650
00:26:12,404 --> 00:26:13,363
there wasn't a lot of the

651
00:26:13,363 --> 00:26:16,157
the neighborhood
that later got built in place.

652
00:26:16,157 --> 00:26:18,493
So it was kind of
just quiet thing.

653
00:26:18,493 --> 00:26:20,287
But of all things,
it didn't stop.

654
00:26:20,287 --> 00:26:22,956
And my neighbor to my left,
who was already built

655
00:26:22,956 --> 00:26:25,333
and occupied,
didn't stop anywhere else.

656
00:26:25,333 --> 00:26:27,252
Stop right there.

657
00:26:27,252 --> 00:26:28,878
So yeah,
I don't have any more insight

658
00:26:28,878 --> 00:26:31,881
than anybody else about what
this is exactly,

659
00:26:32,048 --> 00:26:33,925
but there's no doubt in my mind

660
00:26:34,968 --> 00:26:37,053
that something

661
00:26:37,053 --> 00:26:40,056
is interacting with us,

662
00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:43,059
whether it's ultra terrestrial
and been here

663
00:26:43,059 --> 00:26:46,062
for millions of years,
and it's just now showing itself

664
00:26:46,896 --> 00:26:50,859
something that's concerned about
us developing nuclear weapons

665
00:26:51,026 --> 00:26:52,736
because we could
destroy the whole place.

666
00:26:52,736 --> 00:26:56,197
And if they're living here
in mountains under the oceans,

667
00:26:57,073 --> 00:26:59,993
I've been very intrigued.

668
00:26:59,993 --> 00:27:02,078
I about the ocean thing,
you know,

669
00:27:02,078 --> 00:27:05,457
because it seems like
there's like 6 or 7 hotspots,

670
00:27:06,583 --> 00:27:09,586
that where
they see the most things.

671
00:27:10,045 --> 00:27:12,005
And if you think of it,
if you were,

672
00:27:12,005 --> 00:27:12,631
if you're trying to

673
00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:15,634
kind of hide out and you wanted
to be shielded from

674
00:27:16,718 --> 00:27:19,721
things like a micro
nova from our sun or

675
00:27:19,971 --> 00:27:22,974
a lot of other events
that might kind of really

676
00:27:23,016 --> 00:27:25,769
be destructive.

677
00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:27,646
I'm being under
the ocean makes a lot of sense

678
00:27:27,646 --> 00:27:31,107
if you have the technology
to make that survivable place.

679
00:27:31,941 --> 00:27:33,485
So I don't,
I don't know, there's

680
00:27:33,485 --> 00:27:35,904
there's a lot of theories now,
but it is kind of like, well,

681
00:27:35,904 --> 00:27:40,241
why are there these 6 or 7 spots
that seem to be hot spots

682
00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:41,743
for us,

683
00:27:41,743 --> 00:27:42,535
and the fact that they

684
00:27:42,535 --> 00:27:46,289
can come up out of the ocean
and not drip and,

685
00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:47,791
you know, leave water coming off

686
00:27:47,791 --> 00:27:50,251
like a physical object,
but just come out.

687
00:27:50,251 --> 00:27:53,254
And now they can do airborne,
they can do spaceborne.

688
00:27:53,463 --> 00:27:57,050
So they have
this kind of intermedium

689
00:27:57,050 --> 00:28:00,845
capability to go trans
medium from one to another.

690
00:28:02,138 --> 00:28:04,391
And I know that

691
00:28:04,391 --> 00:28:06,309
I know you work with Tim

692
00:28:06,309 --> 00:28:09,312
Allen bet Rear Admiral

693
00:28:09,479 --> 00:28:12,357
I listened to some of his stuff
and I've been reading his book,

694
00:28:12,357 --> 00:28:15,360
which is excellent.

695
00:28:16,111 --> 00:28:19,030
So well written
and such a career that guys had.

696
00:28:19,030 --> 00:28:19,864
And I know he's,

697
00:28:19,864 --> 00:28:22,826
he's on your board
and but I've, I've really paid

698
00:28:22,826 --> 00:28:24,744
a lot of attention
to what he's had to say to you,

699
00:28:24,744 --> 00:28:27,872
because he's really becoming
more open

700
00:28:27,914 --> 00:28:30,917
about a lot of stuff
that he knew about.

701
00:28:31,167 --> 00:28:34,129
And I find it fascinating
because it's,

702
00:28:34,129 --> 00:28:36,631
it's a kind of thing
that you can't pinpoint.

703
00:28:36,631 --> 00:28:38,258
I mean, back in the day,

704
00:28:38,258 --> 00:28:41,469
like in the 40s and 50s, it's
all about flying saucers.

705
00:28:41,469 --> 00:28:44,472
We don't hear very much
about that shape anymore.

706
00:28:45,181 --> 00:28:46,975
So what does that mean? And

707
00:28:48,059 --> 00:28:50,395
and is it capable of something?

708
00:28:50,395 --> 00:28:54,232
Is that a technology
that kind of like a, let's say

709
00:28:54,357 --> 00:28:56,985
they have technology
that they can form this stuff

710
00:28:56,985 --> 00:29:00,113
almost like they grow it
from a single crystal and they

711
00:29:00,113 --> 00:29:03,116
and they can do the out

712
00:29:03,408 --> 00:29:06,035
if they can do alchemy
to the point that they can

713
00:29:06,035 --> 00:29:07,662
transmute these materials

714
00:29:07,662 --> 00:29:10,665
and it just grows the craft of,
for whatever purpose.

715
00:29:10,707 --> 00:29:12,751
Maybe a single purpose.
Yeah, yeah.

716
00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:13,793
Maybe a single purpose.

717
00:29:13,793 --> 00:29:16,254
Maybe that's why we see
different kinds and shapes.

718
00:29:16,254 --> 00:29:18,173
But what is it?

719
00:29:18,173 --> 00:29:19,632
Why is it I don't know, it's

720
00:29:19,632 --> 00:29:22,635
the biggest mystery,
I think, of our age right now.

721
00:29:22,677 --> 00:29:25,263
And that's why I'm very much
at this point behind

722
00:29:25,263 --> 00:29:27,682
getting the word out publicly.

723
00:29:27,682 --> 00:29:30,477
There are lots of other pilots
that I know have had encounters.

724
00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:32,854
I mean, I don't know,
but I'm just in my sense,

725
00:29:32,854 --> 00:29:34,397
the must have had

726
00:29:34,397 --> 00:29:36,691
none of my encounters were
in airplanes, which is weird.

727
00:29:36,691 --> 00:29:38,818
But then again,
we're doing a lot of night

728
00:29:38,818 --> 00:29:40,779
flying
just on the TFR and stuff,

729
00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:43,448
and the F-111
even had radiation shields

730
00:29:43,448 --> 00:29:44,908
you could put up in the front
and side.

731
00:29:44,908 --> 00:29:47,911
Curtains come down,
and you wore one eye patch

732
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,914
in case you got nuclear
blinded in spite of all that.

733
00:29:50,914 --> 00:29:51,539
Oh, wow.

734
00:29:51,539 --> 00:29:52,665
So you could save one.

735
00:29:52,665 --> 00:29:54,417
I mean, these were

736
00:29:54,417 --> 00:29:56,085
these were probably one way
missions because

737
00:29:56,085 --> 00:29:58,963
where are you going to come back
to if the if the whole blew.

738
00:29:58,963 --> 00:30:00,507
Up just matter of time
at that point.

739
00:30:00,507 --> 00:30:03,593
So it was horrifying thing
to think of.

740
00:30:03,968 --> 00:30:06,846
But, you know,
it was the job that I was,

741
00:30:06,846 --> 00:30:10,850
I found myself in, I didn't know
before I went to NATO that

742
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:12,227
that was going
to be part of the mission.

743
00:30:13,436 --> 00:30:14,145
But it makes sense.

744
00:30:14,145 --> 00:30:16,689
That's what the airplane
was optimized to do.

745
00:30:16,689 --> 00:30:17,565
We kind of already

746
00:30:17,565 --> 00:30:20,527
answered this, but I mean, do
you think you were singled out?

747
00:30:21,611 --> 00:30:23,321
I have no idea.

748
00:30:23,321 --> 00:30:26,616
There's been no you know, I
don't have telepathic memories.

749
00:30:26,616 --> 00:30:27,283
To my knowledge.

750
00:30:27,283 --> 00:30:28,409
I don't have any implants.

751
00:30:28,409 --> 00:30:28,993
To my knowledge,

752
00:30:28,993 --> 00:30:33,248
I've never been taken,
have not been an experiencer.

753
00:30:33,248 --> 00:30:36,251
That's that's actually
been taken aboard a ship.

754
00:30:36,376 --> 00:30:39,379
It sounds like
you've had a lot of good ideas.

755
00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:41,714
Well, I've had a lot of years
to think about it,

756
00:30:41,714 --> 00:30:43,633
and I've got a lot of,

757
00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:46,052
engineering and advanced
education after that.

758
00:30:46,052 --> 00:30:49,055
Master of science,
this, master of science that.

759
00:30:49,097 --> 00:30:51,599
So it's it's
something that just this way

760
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,602
my mind works is always wanting
to analyze this stuff.

761
00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:58,106
I would love to know
my curiosity is insane about it

762
00:30:58,106 --> 00:31:03,403
now. So I've got I subscribed
to so many UAP type channels,

763
00:31:03,403 --> 00:31:07,657
just looking for nibbles
of information to come out

764
00:31:07,657 --> 00:31:10,952
and trying to assess
what's credible and what's not,

765
00:31:12,161 --> 00:31:12,871
but it's

766
00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:13,162
it's an

767
00:31:13,162 --> 00:31:16,791
interesting time to live in when
we're not completely encased

768
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,127
in the stigma zone. Yeah.

769
00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:20,795
Although there's
still some of that.

770
00:31:20,795 --> 00:31:21,838
There certainly is

771
00:31:21,838 --> 00:31:23,965
especially I mean, for people
that are still active

772
00:31:23,965 --> 00:31:25,967
duty, are still actively flying.
Right.

773
00:31:25,967 --> 00:31:29,137
The the risk reward
ratio is still very skewed

774
00:31:29,137 --> 00:31:30,722
to the reverse side, of course.

775
00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:32,181
Yeah.

776
00:31:32,181 --> 00:31:34,434
But that was going to be,
you know,

777
00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:35,894
perhaps
one of my parting questions

778
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:36,895
here is just kind of

779
00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:40,398
your interpretation of how
things have been evolving.

780
00:31:40,398 --> 00:31:42,442
And if you have anything to say

781
00:31:42,442 --> 00:31:45,486
to pilots that are flying now
about what, why or,

782
00:31:46,195 --> 00:31:48,573
or to help them
motivate them to come forward.

783
00:31:48,573 --> 00:31:52,660
Yeah, I, I do want to say
to the pilots that are listening

784
00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:54,329
and probably

785
00:31:54,329 --> 00:31:57,415
that there'd be a large share
of the audience that watches

786
00:31:57,415 --> 00:31:59,208
your show for the very nature
of what it is.

787
00:31:59,208 --> 00:32:00,919
Americans for Safe Aerospace.

788
00:32:02,253 --> 00:32:06,090
I do think it's important
that people start to come out

789
00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:09,886
and if not during their active
flying, at least come out

790
00:32:09,886 --> 00:32:13,222
after they've retired,
or if they've got a company

791
00:32:13,222 --> 00:32:18,019
that finally is willing to allow
for this to be publicly known,

792
00:32:19,103 --> 00:32:20,271
that would be wonderful.

793
00:32:20,271 --> 00:32:22,565
I understand the stigma
that they would feel

794
00:32:22,565 --> 00:32:24,651
about not wanting
to lose their flying career,

795
00:32:24,651 --> 00:32:26,361
so we share that right.

796
00:32:26,361 --> 00:32:29,614
We loved flying so much
that I wouldn't

797
00:32:29,656 --> 00:32:32,533
have wanted to jeopardize that
and I so I get that.

798
00:32:32,533 --> 00:32:34,535
But the

799
00:32:34,535 --> 00:32:38,289
the totality of these encounters
needs to be known, because

800
00:32:39,582 --> 00:32:42,251
I think there probably has been
I mean, there's

801
00:32:42,251 --> 00:32:45,254
some stories of where craft
have been hit by something.

802
00:32:45,797 --> 00:32:48,049
And, you know, clearly

803
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:51,052
their technology is not perfect.

804
00:32:51,219 --> 00:32:52,845
I mean, whatever it is. So

805
00:32:53,972 --> 00:32:54,639
there is this

806
00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:59,185
potential and
we need to have better abilities

807
00:32:59,185 --> 00:33:02,397
to determine
that these things are out there.

808
00:33:02,981 --> 00:33:05,608
And as you had mentioned with,

809
00:33:05,608 --> 00:33:06,401
when you're

810
00:33:06,401 --> 00:33:10,154
actively electronically scanned,
array radar got upgraded,

811
00:33:10,321 --> 00:33:13,908
suddenly you had this resolving
power that was pretty enormous.

812
00:33:13,908 --> 00:33:15,994
And you're seeing these things
out in your training

813
00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:18,496
training ranges on radar.

814
00:33:18,496 --> 00:33:19,330
Your radar is

815
00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:22,333
actually picking the stuff up,
which before wasn't.

816
00:33:23,751 --> 00:33:26,045
I know that most airliners don't

817
00:33:26,045 --> 00:33:29,549
have that degree of radars,
mostly for weather avoidance,

818
00:33:30,341 --> 00:33:33,011
but yet there are so many pilots
that have had these

819
00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:36,014
eyeball encounters with stuff
that's very anomalous.

820
00:33:36,806 --> 00:33:41,144
And I'm very proud of the ones
who have shared their stories,

821
00:33:41,144 --> 00:33:44,230
because this compendium of total
knowledge

822
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:47,483
helps us better understand.

823
00:33:47,483 --> 00:33:51,446
And eventually I think
we need some kind of disclosure.

824
00:33:51,571 --> 00:33:51,946
I mean,

825
00:33:51,946 --> 00:33:53,614
if we've reverse
engineered stuff

826
00:33:53,614 --> 00:33:56,868
and other adversaries
are trying to do the same,

827
00:33:57,785 --> 00:34:01,456
I feel pretty much the
same about that being kept,

828
00:34:03,124 --> 00:34:04,834
dark.

829
00:34:04,834 --> 00:34:07,503
But the
fact that if we're not alone,

830
00:34:07,503 --> 00:34:10,590
we need to know
that mankind needs to know that.

831
00:34:11,466 --> 00:34:14,719
And I'm hoping we're approaching
the day, maybe even this year,

832
00:34:15,428 --> 00:34:18,431
when that is revealed
at the level of

833
00:34:18,431 --> 00:34:21,476
maybe the president himself
talking about it,

834
00:34:22,351 --> 00:34:24,812
whether or not we ever reach
what full disclosure.

835
00:34:24,812 --> 00:34:25,980
And I don't want us to go to

836
00:34:25,980 --> 00:34:29,025
catastrophic disclosure
because I don't think

837
00:34:30,443 --> 00:34:33,279
any insights
that we've developed,

838
00:34:33,279 --> 00:34:34,530
it's like, you know, you can

839
00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:37,909
you can study nuclear physics
in a college thing,

840
00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:41,996
but they don't teach you how
to build a thermonuclear weapon.

841
00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:45,458
And so I think things like that
are better

842
00:34:45,458 --> 00:34:48,461
kept, from spreading too much.

843
00:34:48,836 --> 00:34:52,048
And so if we have got
a new physics

844
00:34:52,048 --> 00:34:55,259
that replaces the current
standard model physics,

845
00:34:56,094 --> 00:34:57,595
I'd be excited for that.

846
00:34:57,595 --> 00:35:00,598
I'm a big proponent
of the electric

847
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,726
universe
theories and plasma cosmology,

848
00:35:04,685 --> 00:35:07,105
because
I think that as we're seeing

849
00:35:07,105 --> 00:35:10,316
some of the images coming back
from our more advanced stuff

850
00:35:11,484 --> 00:35:15,530
like the web and other
advanced space telescopes,

851
00:35:16,114 --> 00:35:19,117
particularly the stuff
that's in the infrared,

852
00:35:20,827 --> 00:35:22,411
and the near infrared,

853
00:35:22,411 --> 00:35:25,414
there is so much

854
00:35:25,581 --> 00:35:28,376
confirmation
that electrical currents

855
00:35:28,376 --> 00:35:32,380
are doing these Birkeland
current things in the galaxies,

856
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:37,135
and that stars may be formed by
that, not some gravity collapse

857
00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:40,138
thermonuclear fusion bomb
in the middle of every star.

858
00:35:40,513 --> 00:35:43,516
That theory has never made
a lot of sense to me.

859
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,102
And now that we know,
we measured the temperature

860
00:35:46,102 --> 00:35:49,105
of the photosphere of the sun,

861
00:35:49,313 --> 00:35:51,107
and that's only about

862
00:35:51,107 --> 00:35:54,777
5000 degrees Kelvin,
and yet they think

863
00:35:54,777 --> 00:35:57,780
it's 15 million degrees
in the center of the star.

864
00:35:57,864 --> 00:36:00,074
Why is it so cool
in the surface?

865
00:36:00,074 --> 00:36:02,785
And then why does it go to 2
million, 3 million

866
00:36:02,785 --> 00:36:05,788
degrees, several million
miles out in the corona?

867
00:36:06,205 --> 00:36:06,706
That's fair.

868
00:36:06,706 --> 00:36:07,415
That's a

869
00:36:07,415 --> 00:36:11,169
that's a conundrum that standard
Model science doesn't explain.

870
00:36:12,378 --> 00:36:12,753
And I

871
00:36:12,753 --> 00:36:16,340
think that that
we live in an electric universe.

872
00:36:16,716 --> 00:36:21,846
Not that that's exclusively it,
but I think that's an element

873
00:36:21,846 --> 00:36:25,516
that if we look at Einstein's
theory of general relativity,

874
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,935
and we think about the times
when that thought experiment

875
00:36:27,935 --> 00:36:31,355
occurred to him, it was a time
when the Michelson-Morley

876
00:36:31,606 --> 00:36:34,650
project
had assumed that this ether

877
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:37,945
was like a gas thing.

878
00:36:37,945 --> 00:36:40,448
And when that experiment failed,

879
00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:42,533
they sort of said, well,
there's nothing else in space

880
00:36:42,533 --> 00:36:44,160
besides gravity,
the force of gravity.

881
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,163
And of course, all of general
relativity is built on that,

882
00:36:47,622 --> 00:36:50,708
and that the whole universe
is put together by everything

883
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:54,295
attracting or moving apart due
to gravitational fields.

884
00:36:54,712 --> 00:36:55,588
It's not that gravity

885
00:36:55,588 --> 00:36:56,297
doesn't exist,

886
00:36:56,297 --> 00:36:56,923
but I think

887
00:36:56,923 --> 00:37:00,343
there are fundamental forces
in the electromagnetic spectrum

888
00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:03,512
that are like we talked before,
ten to the 39th power,

889
00:37:03,512 --> 00:37:05,139
greater
than the force of gravity.

890
00:37:05,139 --> 00:37:08,142
You can take a little tiny
refrigerator magnet

891
00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:10,645
and have a paper clip
on your desk right here,

892
00:37:10,645 --> 00:37:12,063
and it'll jump off the table.

893
00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:14,982
Even though all of us gravity
is trying to pull it down.

894
00:37:14,982 --> 00:37:17,985
And so that's just
the simplest illustration of it.

895
00:37:18,569 --> 00:37:22,907
If we've learned how to harness
some of that to do similar,

896
00:37:22,907 --> 00:37:25,117
what these craft,
if not as elegant

897
00:37:25,117 --> 00:37:28,287
as these, craft,
that in my mind needs to stay

898
00:37:29,830 --> 00:37:30,581
secret, that

899
00:37:30,581 --> 00:37:33,584
needs to stay ultra classified.

900
00:37:33,584 --> 00:37:36,963
Because imagine
if you can harness

901
00:37:37,171 --> 00:37:40,174
things like zero point energy,

902
00:37:40,174 --> 00:37:42,385
if zero point
energy can be harnessed,

903
00:37:42,385 --> 00:37:45,388
which would kind of make sense
that if it did,

904
00:37:45,388 --> 00:37:48,724
you have this infinite energy
supply to power your craft.

905
00:37:49,058 --> 00:37:50,393
And it's everywhere.

906
00:37:50,393 --> 00:37:52,353
It's everywhere
we go, it's inside of us.

907
00:37:52,353 --> 00:37:55,356
Even this quantum field vacuum,

908
00:37:55,898 --> 00:37:58,901
if that's accessible
and a meaningful way,

909
00:37:59,610 --> 00:38:02,571
it makes sense that
there wouldn't be limitations

910
00:38:02,571 --> 00:38:06,158
on what we could do in terms of
travel throughout the universe.

911
00:38:06,867 --> 00:38:09,870
So if these are from
another place in the universe,

912
00:38:10,997 --> 00:38:13,040
then why couldn't
they see the speed of light

913
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,293
if they if they can cancel mass?

914
00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:19,046
Because then you basically
aren't restricted

915
00:38:19,046 --> 00:38:22,049
by Einstein's equations
in his theories

916
00:38:22,049 --> 00:38:24,802
and not general relativity,
but in special relativity

917
00:38:24,802 --> 00:38:27,388
when he talks about speed
of light can't be exceeded.

918
00:38:28,764 --> 00:38:30,766
Maybe that's not true.

919
00:38:30,766 --> 00:38:30,933
Yeah.

920
00:38:30,933 --> 00:38:33,436
I mean, there are examples
of the speed of light

921
00:38:33,436 --> 00:38:34,270
being exceeded.

922
00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:36,564
The expansion of the universe
is expanding

923
00:38:36,564 --> 00:38:39,233
faster
than the speed of light. Right.

924
00:38:39,233 --> 00:38:42,320
So there's still a lot of,
you know, our physics only

925
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,238
covers so much of the territory
right now.

926
00:38:44,238 --> 00:38:45,239
There's I agree with you.

927
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,867
There's much
to to continue to uncover.

928
00:38:47,867 --> 00:38:50,953
And it's always frustrating
to hear people

929
00:38:50,953 --> 00:38:53,039
dismiss this conversation
because they want to stay

930
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:54,707
within
the current scientific paradigm,

931
00:38:54,707 --> 00:38:58,461
which is only existed
for about 110 years or so.

932
00:38:59,545 --> 00:39:01,380
Right. Another 100 years.

933
00:39:01,380 --> 00:39:04,258
I think there's going to be
a lot of additional

934
00:39:04,258 --> 00:39:05,926
and new physics
that are going to make

935
00:39:05,926 --> 00:39:09,388
what we understand now
seem quite silly in comparison.

936
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:09,847
Yeah.

937
00:39:09,847 --> 00:39:11,682
If you look back through
history,

938
00:39:11,682 --> 00:39:14,852
science has always had
these hurdles that it hit.

939
00:39:15,644 --> 00:39:17,938
You think about the time
when it was these fears

940
00:39:17,938 --> 00:39:19,565
and the or at the center.

941
00:39:19,565 --> 00:39:22,568
And that was
that was standard science.

942
00:39:22,568 --> 00:39:24,236
And the sun revolves
around the Earth,

943
00:39:24,236 --> 00:39:25,529
and the planets
were all around the Earth.

944
00:39:25,529 --> 00:39:27,365
But then they had to invent

945
00:39:27,365 --> 00:39:31,160
these equations for doing
these little micro curves

946
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,287
that they had to do the loops
because, you know,

947
00:39:33,287 --> 00:39:35,206
they didn't track. Right.

948
00:39:35,206 --> 00:39:37,917
And so the epicycles
that they put into

949
00:39:37,917 --> 00:39:39,460
that were just more add

950
00:39:39,460 --> 00:39:42,004
ons and bandaids
to try to keep that alive.

951
00:39:42,004 --> 00:39:45,257
And it was very heretical
to say otherwise.

952
00:39:45,299 --> 00:39:48,886
And so that's what the Galileo
stood up against that, you know,

953
00:39:48,886 --> 00:39:51,889
and he was viewing
the moons that at least the

954
00:39:51,889 --> 00:39:52,348
what they called

955
00:39:52,348 --> 00:39:54,266
the Galilean moons,
the four large ones

956
00:39:54,266 --> 00:39:56,977
around Jupiter,
which has on and 100 something

957
00:39:56,977 --> 00:39:58,104
moons circling it.

958
00:39:58,104 --> 00:40:01,899
But he was visualizing
that with a telescope, and

959
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:03,901
he had already

960
00:40:03,901 --> 00:40:07,029
decided that, no, there's
not the center of anything.

961
00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:10,408
We were orbiting around the sun
and not not otherwise.

962
00:40:10,408 --> 00:40:13,577
And the church put him in house

963
00:40:13,577 --> 00:40:14,829
arrest for the rest of his life.

964
00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:16,122
And we wouldn't
have any of his stuff

965
00:40:16,122 --> 00:40:17,873
because they were going
to burn it all.

966
00:40:17,873 --> 00:40:19,667
But he sneaked out stuff
to the guys

967
00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:21,877
that brought him
food under house arrest.

968
00:40:21,877 --> 00:40:23,087
And that's the only reason
we have

969
00:40:23,087 --> 00:40:25,172
some of his theories persisting.

970
00:40:25,172 --> 00:40:28,092
So it's almost like
we're going through a period

971
00:40:28,092 --> 00:40:31,095
now about what
standard physics is guarded and

972
00:40:31,137 --> 00:40:34,181
and they keep adding Band-Aids
to it.

973
00:40:34,807 --> 00:40:37,184
The first time they came up
with a black hole theory,

974
00:40:37,184 --> 00:40:42,565
even Eystein said,
that's an abuse of my equations.

975
00:40:42,565 --> 00:40:43,649
Relativity. Because you are,

976
00:40:43,649 --> 00:40:45,651
you allow yourself
to divide by zero.

977
00:40:45,651 --> 00:40:45,943
Yeah.

978
00:40:45,943 --> 00:40:48,654
So you have an infinitely
small mass

979
00:40:48,654 --> 00:40:51,907
or an infinitely large mass
and an infinitely small space,

980
00:40:52,783 --> 00:40:54,827
this whole center
of the black hole thing.

981
00:40:54,827 --> 00:40:56,245
And again,

982
00:40:56,245 --> 00:40:59,165
if it is actually just
a plasmoid of energy,

983
00:40:59,165 --> 00:41:03,085
electromagnetic energy,
and we can create plasmids

984
00:41:03,544 --> 00:41:07,256
and in a laboratory now
and so we know what those are.

985
00:41:07,381 --> 00:41:10,426
If each galaxy of the
A center has a plasmoid, it

986
00:41:10,426 --> 00:41:11,719
would be dark to us

987
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:15,806
and the electromagnetic energy
would be radiating out.

988
00:41:15,806 --> 00:41:16,974
And it seems to do that.

989
00:41:16,974 --> 00:41:19,977
And the James Webb
telescope is showing us images

990
00:41:20,311 --> 00:41:22,188
that mainstream science
can't explain.

991
00:41:22,188 --> 00:41:23,522
And, and also

992
00:41:23,522 --> 00:41:26,609
fully formed galaxies
way beyond this whole thing.

993
00:41:26,609 --> 00:41:28,652
So when they came up with the.

994
00:41:28,652 --> 00:41:31,489
Oh, it's 13.8
million billion years old.

995
00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:34,617
And then the whole universe
was born of this

996
00:41:35,242 --> 00:41:37,536
explosion
when there was nothing.

997
00:41:37,536 --> 00:41:39,955
Another infinity inside. Right?

998
00:41:39,955 --> 00:41:43,250
And then they said, oh, well,
now we got to fix that.

999
00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:47,087
So now there was
we had to have expansion

1000
00:41:47,671 --> 00:41:50,007
because it had to
it had to move out

1001
00:41:50,007 --> 00:41:51,926
greater than the speed of light
initially

1002
00:41:51,926 --> 00:41:54,512
because it couldn't
explain things otherwise.

1003
00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:58,432
And then when Vera Rubin started
looking at distant galaxies

1004
00:41:58,432 --> 00:42:00,643
and noticing,
measuring the speed of stars

1005
00:42:00,643 --> 00:42:02,978
because takes a long time
to figure that out,

1006
00:42:02,978 --> 00:42:05,356
keep looking at the same galaxy
and came out with,

1007
00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:06,440
well, that's not a band.

1008
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,108
Newton's
gravitational pull loss.

1009
00:42:08,108 --> 00:42:10,110
So there must be more gravity.
Yeah.

1010
00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:14,114
And then they invented
not only now we had black holes,

1011
00:42:14,406 --> 00:42:18,077
we had this explosive
expansion of the universe.

1012
00:42:18,744 --> 00:42:19,537
We had

1013
00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:21,789
another thing that they were

1014
00:42:21,789 --> 00:42:24,833
doing, which was to take
the infrared signature.

1015
00:42:24,833 --> 00:42:28,337
And assuming that's always going
to represent Doppler velocity,

1016
00:42:28,587 --> 00:42:31,048
it is. Consistently across
time to write.

1017
00:42:31,048 --> 00:42:32,883
It could be variations
in these forces.

1018
00:42:32,883 --> 00:42:33,717
There's more than that.

1019
00:42:33,717 --> 00:42:35,719
When every time that a quasar

1020
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,347
is burped
out of the center of a galaxy,

1021
00:42:38,347 --> 00:42:41,350
that huge chunk of plasma
energy, the quasar

1022
00:42:42,184 --> 00:42:43,936
starts
orbiting its parent galaxy.

1023
00:42:43,936 --> 00:42:47,398
But when it comes out,
it has an inherent

1024
00:42:48,315 --> 00:42:51,819
signature
that's a very huge redshift.

1025
00:42:52,111 --> 00:42:56,282
And then as it ages
and becomes more and settled,

1026
00:42:56,532 --> 00:42:57,533
orbiting the galaxy

1027
00:42:57,533 --> 00:42:59,159
like we have, the Large
and Small

1028
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:01,954
Magellanic
Clouds are just pair of them

1029
00:43:01,954 --> 00:43:04,081
that we know
of orbiting the Milky Way.

1030
00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:07,418
As those become settled out,
their redshift

1031
00:43:07,668 --> 00:43:09,753
eventually comes down to exactly

1032
00:43:09,753 --> 00:43:12,423
the galaxies redshift
that they were born from.

1033
00:43:12,423 --> 00:43:15,426
So there are
these inherent redshifts.

1034
00:43:15,509 --> 00:43:17,970
And even when Hubble
was the first to use

1035
00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:20,973
the spectroscopy on a telescope
to start

1036
00:43:21,181 --> 00:43:24,602
figuring out these shifts,
and that we had the Andromeda

1037
00:43:24,602 --> 00:43:27,938
Galaxy wasn't a star cluster
in our galaxy, but something

1038
00:43:28,105 --> 00:43:30,774
far away from
us. A couple of what is it?

1039
00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:34,862
2.5 million light years away

1040
00:43:34,862 --> 00:43:36,530
when they first started
talking about that,

1041
00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:39,283
we can measure the speed
of every galaxy

1042
00:43:39,283 --> 00:43:40,784
by just its redshift, he said.

1043
00:43:40,784 --> 00:43:42,494
I think that's not true.

1044
00:43:42,494 --> 00:43:43,787
That's just that's

1045
00:43:43,787 --> 00:43:47,583
a, I think a misuse of an over
categorization of the redshift.

1046
00:43:48,584 --> 00:43:51,795
So he had a guy
that was a partner with him

1047
00:43:51,962 --> 00:43:54,298
named Halton ARP

1048
00:43:54,298 --> 00:43:57,509
who went with that,
and he started really focusing

1049
00:43:57,593 --> 00:44:01,347
telescope time
and showing these quasars that

1050
00:44:01,889 --> 00:44:04,892
that the current theory
said, oh, well, there

1051
00:44:05,768 --> 00:44:07,895
they've got to be, you know,

1052
00:44:07,895 --> 00:44:11,106
14 million light years away.

1053
00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:14,276
And this galaxy is like,
you know, 4 million

1054
00:44:14,276 --> 00:44:16,862
light years away,
but it's in front of the galaxy,

1055
00:44:16,862 --> 00:44:18,989
still kind of tied to the galaxy

1056
00:44:18,989 --> 00:44:21,116
because
it had an inherent redshift.

1057
00:44:21,116 --> 00:44:25,162
And when you interpret
that always has distance.

1058
00:44:25,162 --> 00:44:28,165
And then when you say,
and we can look at the redshift

1059
00:44:28,165 --> 00:44:31,251
and say, okay, and that's
that also can tell us speed.

1060
00:44:31,502 --> 00:44:34,338
So we don't really know
any of that because

1061
00:44:34,338 --> 00:44:37,132
it depends on that assumption.

1062
00:44:37,132 --> 00:44:38,217
And so then when you say

1063
00:44:38,217 --> 00:44:41,220
well these stars
are not rotating correctly.

1064
00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:44,598
So there must be extra
mass, extra gravity.

1065
00:44:44,973 --> 00:44:47,768
So they invent a dark energy.

1066
00:44:47,768 --> 00:44:50,479
And what have we been like
20 something years.

1067
00:44:50,479 --> 00:44:54,775
And they have spent $19 billion
trying to find out of

1068
00:44:55,234 --> 00:44:57,945
30 different theories
of what dark energy is,

1069
00:44:57,945 --> 00:45:00,030
and they've never confirmed
any of it.

1070
00:45:00,030 --> 00:45:02,241
And yet we stick with that.

1071
00:45:02,241 --> 00:45:05,786
Well, if you look at
if you look at the universe

1072
00:45:05,869 --> 00:45:08,914
and how it would behave
if it was an electric universe,

1073
00:45:09,331 --> 00:45:12,334
you don't need any of that
because an electric universe,

1074
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:16,296
actually, when you model
it makes galleries, galaxies

1075
00:45:16,296 --> 00:45:17,047
do what they do,

1076
00:45:17,047 --> 00:45:19,174
and the spiral arms develop
because that's

1077
00:45:19,174 --> 00:45:21,885
where the Brooklyn
currents are spiraling out.

1078
00:45:21,885 --> 00:45:24,888
So I think there's some stuff
to be studied there.

1079
00:45:24,888 --> 00:45:28,434
Not that that that's
perfectly sound right now, but

1080
00:45:28,684 --> 00:45:33,272
a kind of abandoned mainstream
science up quite a few years ago

1081
00:45:33,605 --> 00:45:36,984
and have been really looking
for better answers

1082
00:45:36,984 --> 00:45:38,819
and better fits.

1083
00:45:38,819 --> 00:45:41,238
So part of
why we're not making out

1084
00:45:41,238 --> 00:45:44,241
rapid progress
is that our current science

1085
00:45:44,533 --> 00:45:48,162
makes all this impossible,
which makes it impossible

1086
00:45:48,162 --> 00:45:49,371
to believe
it's really happening.

1087
00:45:49,371 --> 00:45:50,289
You can't believe your own.

1088
00:45:50,289 --> 00:45:52,416
Eyes and impossible to progress.

1089
00:45:52,416 --> 00:45:53,751
You know. Exactly.

1090
00:45:53,751 --> 00:45:56,044
Well, this has been
absolutely fascinating.

1091
00:45:56,044 --> 00:45:57,421
I really want to thank you

1092
00:45:57,421 --> 00:46:00,549
for being willing
to finally share these stories.

1093
00:46:01,258 --> 00:46:01,550
I know

1094
00:46:01,550 --> 00:46:05,387
it's been some time coming, even
after you came forward to us,

1095
00:46:05,387 --> 00:46:06,388
but I'm really happy

1096
00:46:06,388 --> 00:46:08,515
we could provide
you a platform for this. And,

1097
00:46:09,641 --> 00:46:11,018
you've been able to set

1098
00:46:11,018 --> 00:46:12,853
an incredible example,
I think, for others

1099
00:46:12,853 --> 00:46:14,146
who I'm sure no doubt

1100
00:46:14,146 --> 00:46:15,105
there are

1101
00:46:15,105 --> 00:46:16,774
probably many thousands
of other people

1102
00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:19,526
not like yourself who have
similar things to share,

1103
00:46:19,526 --> 00:46:21,820
just haven't been willing
to come forward yet. And so.

1104
00:46:21,820 --> 00:46:22,821
I think there are.

1105
00:46:22,821 --> 00:46:23,405
Yeah.

1106
00:46:23,405 --> 00:46:25,073
I look forward
to hearing their stories,

1107
00:46:25,073 --> 00:46:27,451
hopefully on your show. Well.

1108
00:46:27,451 --> 00:46:29,453
If you have something to report
courage

1109
00:46:29,453 --> 00:46:32,498
you go to Safe aerospace.org
submit a report.

1110
00:46:32,539 --> 00:46:34,792
We'll reach out to you.

1111
00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:37,169
And we'll continue
to piece this puzzle together

1112
00:46:37,169 --> 00:46:40,464
and not be ashamed
to look at things that don't

1113
00:46:40,464 --> 00:46:43,467
fit inside our current paradigm
quite yet.

1114
00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:45,677
Well. Again,
thank you for inviting me.

1115
00:46:45,677 --> 00:46:49,723
It was a pleasure to finally
meet you in person and mind meld

1116
00:46:49,723 --> 00:46:51,475
with you a little bit
before we started the show,

1117
00:46:51,475 --> 00:46:55,020
because you and I, you and I
share a similar kind of a brain,

1118
00:46:55,354 --> 00:46:57,314
and we have a similar
kind of background

1119
00:46:57,314 --> 00:46:59,191
flying fighter jets
and loving it.

1120
00:46:59,191 --> 00:47:03,612
So yeah, I, I was a pleasure to
to fill the brotherhood here.

1121
00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:05,405
So thank
you so much. Thank you. Dan.