{ "version": "1.0.0", "segments": [ { "speaker": "Lena", "startTime": "0.0", "endTime": "15.2", "body": "Content warning. You may notice a different tone in these next few episodes of Lena's Lens. It's a little bit of a change of what you're used to. It includes discussions on grief, trauma, and other emotionally heavy topics, as well as profanity. So please listen with care." }, { "speaker": "Lena", "startTime": "16.075", "endTime": "47.735", "body": "Welcome back to Lena's Lens. I'm Lena Jackson Eckert, Assistant Community Manager for the Salt River Pima Maricopa Indian Community, and you're listening to our special miniseries featuring the Therapeutic Writing Program at the Salt River Department of Corrections. In this fourth episode, we sit down with Nathan Antone and Edgar Carlisle for our second Roundtable discussion. In this Roundtable, Reentry Services Supervisor, Nicolette Parrish, leads the way and helps guide the session. You'll hear her voice throughout this discussion, along with mine as I chime in from time to time." }, { "speaker": "Lena", "startTime": "48.295002", "endTime": "57.415", "body": "Nathan and Edgar talk openly about themes that came up throughout the Therapeutic Writing Program. This is a raw and meaningful conversation. Let's join their Roundtable." }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "58.22", "endTime": "101.455", "body": "So first off, I just want to say thank you to our clients for participating. And I also want to add that today, 07/08/2026, is a historic day for us because, as I believe, this is the first time a podcast has ever been done here at Salt River Department of Corrections, and that's because of the work you guys have put in. All right. So just based off of the work that we've been doing the last twelve weeks, what are some of the topics you guys have maybe struggled with in the past that might be a little bit easier to to process and work through or to even talk about? What are some of those topics?" }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "101.455", "endTime": "107.855", "body": "Grief, anger, breaking cycles? Like, has been something that has stood out the most for you guys?" }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "109.295", "endTime": "133.38501", "body": "This is just changing, you mean? Because, out of my whole adulthood, like I said in my poem, I was always the one to say, Fuck all that. I'm a drink and get high until the day I die going to jail. All that is part of life. What I seen when I grow up when I grew up, I mean, that was all around." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "133.865", "endTime": "156.79001", "body": "So I thought, well, that's what happens. I mean, this is what happens when when you grow up, you go to jail, get drunk. Mhmm. Same thing, but coming to these classes and listening to them, and I don't know what it is about this time, but, like, either old or tired of it or some shit, but it's just starting to make sense. It's like a it's like they say." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "156.79001", "endTime": "179.58", "body": "I mean, it's kinda weird because, I mean, I thought it was bullshit, but it's like, he got all these pieces to a puzzle. But I started forming a big picture. I mean, and it is crazy because it all started making sense for me. And, like, that little time I did have so bright, I've seen the other side of the life. And I I actually wanted that because it was cool." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "179.58", "endTime": "186.78001", "body": "But I don't know. I just went back to drinking and ended up back here within less than a month." }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "187.80501", "endTime": "191.885", "body": "Okay. So it sounds like you've thought about this before, but now it's" }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "192.045", "endTime": "193.565", "body": "Well, I was just for probation." }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "193.885", "endTime": "199.965", "body": "Just for probation. Yeah. Okay. What about you, Edgar? Do you share any similar, like, thoughts about that?" }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "199.965", "endTime": "202.205", "body": "Or have you thought about wanting to change? Or" }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "203.17", "endTime": "242.54001", "body": "Yeah. Like all of the above. Like what everybody said earlier, like, I could relate to all of it. And I didn't write anything down because it's kind of hard for me to write, you know, to even like talk and speak about feelings and emotions that's something I never once did. You know, I was so control of my feelings and my emotions, I would just I'll act like I didn't give a fuck, act like I didn't care because I never was taught how to go about it." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "243.495", "endTime": "279.245", "body": "Dealing with grief, anger, and just holding grudges. I dealt with a lot of grief, especially, like, that's one thing I'm working on and, you know, thankful that you're helping me with that. First time I'm ever, like Anat said, you know, first time ever really doing these classes and actually putting it to work in my life. I mean, I've been in and out, didn't really care. I already knew I was gonna fuck up and come back." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "279.645", "endTime": "314.48502", "body": "So I really didn't care about, even if I was court ordered to go to classes, I wouldn't go because I already knew, like, like, I really didn't give a shit about my life or anything that had to do with me, but I cared about my family. I cared about my kids, you know, but I just didn't know how to help myself. And I hold a lot of pain, a lot of anger, a lot of grudges. And it's not bad the way how it's not good the way how I did it. You know?" }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "315.20502", "endTime": "338.73502", "body": "Holding on to that much stuff and pain and sorrow and just living with it, being comfortable with it. You tend to do a lot of bad. You hurt a lot of people without even you knowing it. And I never felt bad for that because I didn't care. You know, I didn't give a I didn't really give a fuck, but I do care now." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "339.135", "endTime": "360.575", "body": "I am sorry for a lot of hurt I caused people, all the pain I did. Not just to people, but to my kids too. You know, to my family. You know, There's a lot I wanna say. You know, but grief is real hard on me." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "360.975", "endTime": "379.72", "body": "Emotions and feelings. You know. And it all started, like, with my auntie dying on my birthday. That right there, like I never liked my birthday. The auntie who passed away on my birthday, she was like a second mom to me." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "381.08002", "endTime": "416.415", "body": "And my birthdays after that, I used to get mad at my mom, my aunties and uncles who would try to throw birthdays birthday parties for me. I didn't like it. I would get mad at them because I was still hurt. And I was mad and pissed off that I just throw the cake away or whatever, just fuck with my fuck with my birthday because I didn't care. And it's just I'm starting to be okay with my birthday now because talking with you, because you are my counselor and you are helping me." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "417.535", "endTime": "451.7", "body": "And like I said, me talking about all this right now in front of people, in front of everybody, Hi. I lost myself a lot. Like, even my family don't know. But through my hurt and pain and struggles, my auntie, my kids, I lost two kids in 2015, and I tried to do suicide by cop. And then I tried hanging myself too, though, cause I didn't know how to go about it." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "451.7", "endTime": "468.205", "body": "I thought about no, no kid should welcome to a parrot in the afterlife. I thought that at least one of them should be there. You know? So I tried doing suicide by cop. I even tried committing suicide." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "468.60498", "endTime": "499.425", "body": "I knew that wasn't healthy. But for some reason why, I'm still here. But I tried killing myself slowly too though by doing all these drugs or whatnot because I didn't know how to go about emotions, feelings, grief, and I just all that grudge, all that anger I hold in, didn't know how to go about it. And like I said, I know I hurt a lot of people. People I loved, people who loved me, I pushed them away." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "499.425", "endTime": "528.985", "body": "And act like I didn't give a fuck because I mastered it. I mastered not giving a fuck even if I really did love and care about you and we had a good bond. I can act like I didn't know you the next day. Like you never meant shit to me. Like and that's just because I don't I really don't know how to go about feelings and emotions." }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "530.265", "endTime": "558.97504", "body": "Yeah. Definitely. Well, you know, thank you for sharing that, especially with you being in this capacity the first time and, you know, going from not talking to anybody to telling essentially the world. You know, I think one of the reasons that those past efforts didn't work out is because you're meant for a bigger role to be here to share that story with us, with everybody. And so I'm thankful for you guys being able to share that." }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "559.55", "endTime": "583.205", "body": "And so I've heard a lot, both of you, Nate and Edgar, talk a lot about caring, caring. And I want to say one of the biggest things that we've noticed here in this change is you guys do care, you guys have cared. How how does it feel for you guys to be able to outright publicly show peers, yourself, family, maybe even that you guys care now? Like, how does that feel for you guys?" }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "585.30005", "endTime": "586.42004", "body": "Feels queer." }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "587.86005", "endTime": "593.14", "body": "I can imagine it feels pretty strange. Yeah. You know, especially if this has always been a foreign concept for you." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "593.14", "endTime": "610.455", "body": "Yeah. And then other thing too is communication and me telling people, like, whatever. I mean, I guess I always did it, but I did it in a straightforward asshole way. I I still kinda don't care as long as they get my point. You mean?" }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "610.455", "endTime": "625.24", "body": "Mhmm. I feel okay with me getting my point to to the other person. And I set my boundaries, you mean, then that's that's all that matters. Their feelings don't matter to me. They can take it however they want." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "625.90497", "endTime": "630.545", "body": "If they get hurt, then they got to work on something themselves. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "630.545", "endTime": "630.945", "body": "It's true. A lot of the time when we're on our healing journeys," }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "633.26495", "endTime": "633.90497", "body": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "633.985", "endTime": "651.48004", "body": "We tend to think how our healthy feelings or our healthy boundaries may affect the other person when, in fact, you know, you're owning up to your own stuff that you've done. You're healing for yourself. And again, you're healing for yourself, not other people. Yeah. So what about you, Edgar?" }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "651.48004", "endTime": "690.655", "body": "What what what have you noticed or what has been the most difficult to be able to show that, hey, I care about myself. You know, you guys do. Everyone in here deserves good things, right? Even if the world has taught us by the traumas we've experienced, just life in our tribal nations and our tribal communities, we learn from a very young age that we don't deserve good things just because of the living conditions that we, you know, have, the high rates of poverty, the alcoholism, the suicide rates. But how does it feel for you guys to show up every day and, you know, tell yourselves, Hey, deserve good things." }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "690.655", "endTime": "696.015", "body": "I deserve goodness. I deserve sobriety. My kids deserve healthy fathers. How does that feel for you guys?" }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "696.495", "endTime": "697.535", "body": "Oh, shit." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "697.535", "endTime": "702.7", "body": "I don't even think about it like that. I just come and do it and learn stuff." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "702.7", "endTime": "703.82", "body": "I mean Mhmm." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "703.98004", "endTime": "732.47003", "body": "As long as I'm learning something to better myself in the future. And when I get out, I mean, that's basically all I'm trying to do. Like I said, when I started coming to these classes, slowly, but surely good things started happening. Mean, I didn't I didn't know what to contribute to, like AA or God. I'm not I'm not a spiritual person, so it's just I don't pray or nothing, and it just it's still happening." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "732.47003", "endTime": "743.895", "body": "You mean? Mhmm. So to me, it seems like if I strive to learn to do better and try to use these tools that they're teaching no matter what. No matter what. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "743.895", "endTime": "754.855", "body": "Yeah. I guess if you're a spiritual person or whatever, good things will happen. I mean, like, for me, it's just happening. I don't know. I guess it's the universe or whatever you would call it." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "754.855", "endTime": "756.86", "body": "Yeah. Something. Yeah. But" }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "757.42", "endTime": "758.86", "body": "We can say good karma." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "758.86", "endTime": "776.585", "body": "Yeah. It is cool because, yeah, it's happening. I never realized it before too. Mean, I never realized the good stuff because I never really looked at it that way or what I mean. My perspective, I guess, my perspective's changed and shit." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "776.585", "endTime": "778.02496", "body": "Mhmm. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "Lena", "startTime": "778.02496", "endTime": "780.105", "body": "Does it give you any hope for the future?" }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "780.585", "endTime": "788.75", "body": "Yeah. It it does. I mean, I I wanna do good. I I really want to do good, but I still have my doubts. You mean?" }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "788.75", "endTime": "807.53503", "body": "Because while my adult life always got out of here and went straight to liquor store and getting drunk, getting high. I'm never real I'm never sober out there. I mean, I'm this is the only place I'm sober. So, I mean, I still got doubts that I'm I might go and do the same things, but I don't want to. I really don't want to." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "808.38", "endTime": "820.38", "body": "I wanna get my kids back. I am gonna get my kids back. They told me I'm gonna get my kids back. I just gotta stick with it. And so and that's my main that's my why." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "820.62", "endTime": "825.505", "body": "My why is to get for my kids and me to have a better life. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "Lena", "startTime": "827.105", "endTime": "836.225", "body": "How about you, Edgar? Does it make you give you hope for the future, participating or kind of just coming to this realization of some of the things that you talked about?" }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "836.94", "endTime": "860.19495", "body": "Yeah. Yeah, it does give me a lot of hope. You know, like I said, I never thought about that, about changing because I was so comfortable living my life the way I lived it, you know? For me to actually, like I said, take these classes for once and not be court ordered, you know? But like I said, I'm doing these classes, you know, by myself without being court ordered." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "860.19495", "endTime": "875.4", "body": "The reason why I'm doing all this now is because I don't have to run from the cops no more. I don't have to hide, don't have to whatever. You know, I can actually be out. Could walk down the street, maybe wave at them, flip them off. I don't know." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "875.4", "endTime": "891.355", "body": "You know? I don't know. But I am happy this time around because I could get two birds knocked out, you know? And I could actually be out there with my kids and grow that relationship back. But not only that, with my grandkids." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "891.355", "endTime": "901.35", "body": "I got three grandkids, you know, and I want they deserve a better grandpa, but so do my kids. Know, they also deserve a better father." }, { "speaker": "Lena", "startTime": "901.35", "endTime": "901.99", "body": "Mhmm." }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "902.06995", "endTime": "903.58997", "body": "Mhmm. That's true." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "903.58997", "endTime": "933.32", "body": "You know? And like I said, this is all weird. Like how Nae said, you know, do you feel like a sissy? Like, even like a little bitch to even talk about my feelings or emotions because it's something I never did. And that's how I always looked at it. Mhmm. It's weird now, but I always thought that all the hurt and misery I dealt in my life, like, like, that's what I need or that's how my life should be. I never saw no good besides my kids come out come good out of my life." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "933.64", "endTime": "943.725", "body": "It was my kids. Mhmm. That's the only good thing, I could say about myself. Other than that, like, never cared about myself. Didn't know how to love myself." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "943.725", "endTime": "967.065", "body": "Because I was so used to taking the blame for everything, matter what it is, even if I didn't do it. I'll be there real quick to say, Okay, well, I'll take that blame. And just let it be. But it is good, though. All these classes and this class right here, especially, you know, it's helping me look at a different perspective." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "967.945", "endTime": "981.82", "body": "And that's something I need. I need to be a better father and a better grandpa. Better person, better me. You know, I'm thankful for all these classes. I'm thankful for everybody in here that takes these classes." }, { "speaker": "Lena", "startTime": "981.98", "endTime": "988.46", "body": "So would you guys say that you learned a little bit of something from each one of these guys who participated in this class?" }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "990.995", "endTime": "993.795", "body": "Yeah. That's yeah. It's like," }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "993.795", "endTime": "994.435", "body": "yeah, no." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "994.435", "endTime": "995.635", "body": "Different perspectives." }, { "speaker": "Lena", "startTime": "995.635", "endTime": "1008.27", "body": "But at least you saw that you weren't alone, right? There were others that had similar feelings. Yeah. You know, they talked a lot about grief, and other people had similar feelings when you talked about grief." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "1008.51", "endTime": "1041.38", "body": "And I think that's pretty good that we do this because like I said, most of I always thought I was alone, but like, we all shared our stories or they did. I didn't share one, but like I said, I could relate, you know? But it's also letting the youth know and whoever know that, you know, you're not the only one going through, you know, hardship, you know, or living a life of sorrow or hurt or pain or whatever. You know, you're not the only one, but you could you could actually turn that into a positive. Mhmm." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "1041.78", "endTime": "1062.3251", "body": "You know, but it's just up to you on whether you want to live in your own misery or you could be happy and overcome that, you know? But it's just up to the person. I was okay living in my misery for years since I was little. Like, I was okay with it. But I want to be happy." }, { "speaker": "Lena", "startTime": "1064.2101", "endTime": "1066.0499", "body": "And everybody deserves to be happy. But" }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "1066.93", "endTime": "1072.53", "body": "I never felt like I deserved that just because of all the bad I did." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1073.81", "endTime": "1094.6699", "body": "Agree for me. I don't know. Jail kinda helped me a lot because, like, that I don't dwell on it. Like, they die, and they're not around. So there's for me, it's there's no reason to talk about them, think about them, or nothing." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1094.6699", "endTime": "1101.3899", "body": "You mean? Because they're just gone. You mean? And I move on with my my life. You mean?" }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1102.19", "endTime": "1122.8401", "body": "They're just not around no more. Mhmm. I don't dwell on things from the past because then you're kinda fuck up your whole day. I mean, just thinking of shit in the past that you had nothing control over and I mean, like, you're just basically stuck somewhere. I don't do that." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1122.8401", "endTime": "1139.715", "body": "Yeah. I don't I don't do that. I mean, because I I I didn't know it was something healthy. I just I just thought it was, like, whatever, but I don't know. He says it's it's good not to dwell on it because it's, you mean, it's misery." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1139.715", "endTime": "1159.14", "body": "And those are one of the reasons why you can go back and relapse or whatever. You mean, you gotta work on your problems and inner problems and stuff like that. But I worked on mine, and I feel better now. I mean, it's it's it's weird. Mean, yeah, like, this shit really works." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1159.14", "endTime": "1159.38", "body": "I mean" }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "1160.26", "endTime": "1162.9851", "body": "Yeah. That's a good example that everyone grieves differently." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1162.9851", "endTime": "1164.1051", "body": "Yeah. Yeah. You grieve" }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "1164.1051", "endTime": "1165.785", "body": "looks different from a, b, and c." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1165.785", "endTime": "1178.025", "body": "Yeah. Like they say, you drink and get high because you're trying to hide feelings. But for me, I did it every day. So life still happened too. So, I mean, no matter what, you still go through those feelings for me." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1178.85", "endTime": "1187.49", "body": "And it was just I don't know. It just moved on. You know Like, I didn't dwell on it. You know It just it happened. And, alright, what's tomorrow?" }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1187.49", "endTime": "1189.33", "body": "Or what I mean, yeah. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "1192.61", "endTime": "1234.01", "body": "It's how I was too. Drank, did drugs every day, I came to memorials and stuff like that or loved one passing. It'll be times four, times five. Drink to do take as much drugs as I can, you know, because memorials and another person passing away from me is just a reminder of my loved ones going, you know, like I said, my auntie, my birthday, my kids, I lost three kids. I tend to drink a lot more, do a lot more drugs, whatever I could get my hands on really and help me, like, numb that." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "1234.01", "endTime": "1241.37", "body": "Mhmm. Yeah. But he's right, though, you know? Doing drugs and drinking every day, you know, became normal. Became custom." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "1241.93", "endTime": "1245.61", "body": "Like I said, I just never knew how to deal with it the right way." }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "1247.1749", "endTime": "1248.375", "body": "A healthier way." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1248.375", "endTime": "1261.5599", "body": "Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I like that, it came like, I'll take my kids to school and Yeah. Go to these classes and whatever, drinking and getting high and whatever, going to probation, drinking and drunk, getting high. Being compensated?" }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1261.7999", "endTime": "1269.7999", "body": "To me, it was them wasting time. They know I'm getting high. They're making me you in. Why are you wasting all this time? Mean, like, just send me back already." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1269.7999", "endTime": "1278.895", "body": "You know mean? Like But yeah. So, I mean, it was whatever. I mean, like, I still went through the motions, and they still did me. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1278.895", "endTime": "1314.9249", "body": "But that's not good. I that's I realized that wasn't that wasn't that wasn't the shit. I mean, that was that was the reason why I missed so much time with my kids and things I wanted to do that I never had a chance to do, and I kinda lost some of that. I hope my kids can learn from what I what I did and don't do what I did, you mean, and live a better life than I did do what I didn't do and what they wanna do. They they got they got their problem right now." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1314.9249", "endTime": "1329.91", "body": "They're dealing with grief, but they're young. It can be fixed. I mean, I kinda wanna tell them I don't know if they know how I do it, but well, they've seen how I did it. But for me, it was just to get high, get drunk every day. That's what I grew up with." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1329.91", "endTime": "1330.0701", "body": "So" }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "1330.4701", "endTime": "1352.25", "body": "Well, you're never too old to have healthy changes in your life. And I think you saying that now when you recognizing that is such a huge mindset shift for you, you know, hearing like, yeah, I'll go do this. I'll do that. Still ending up in the same place. But for you now, the the language is different there for you because you're like, there's a possibility that this might happen, but I don't want it to happen." }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "1352.25", "endTime": "1356.09", "body": "Yeah. And that's that's good to be able to see that and recognize with that." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1356.17", "endTime": "1375.0848", "body": "Yeah. I mean, like, I'm sorry for the things that put them through the situations they are in now, and I can't do nothing but try to change the future. Mean, like, show them a better better a better me. You mean, like, you don't always have to be drunk and getting high to deal with life, you mean, I guess, or go through life. You mean?" }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1375.085", "endTime": "1382.3099", "body": "Mhmm. Yeah. It's fun and shit for a little while, but the consequences outweigh the fun." }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "1383.27", "endTime": "1383.9899", "body": "That's true." }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1383.99", "endTime": "1389.35", "body": "Yeah. I don't want them sitting in a place like this collecting dust. It's all we're doing right here." }, { "speaker": "Lena", "startTime": "1390.675", "endTime": "1391.555", "body": "For now?" }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1391.555", "endTime": "1392.5951", "body": "Yeah. For now." }, { "speaker": "Lena", "startTime": "1392.5951", "endTime": "1395.5549", "body": "And you're doing something. You're working, taking the class" }, { "speaker": "Nathan", "startTime": "1396.8351", "endTime": "1397.795", "body": "I'm healthy. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "Nicolette", "startTime": "1397.9551", "endTime": "1404.675", "body": "And you have your goals to become a phlebotomist. So that's a good goal to have, good, healthy goal to work towards." }, { "speaker": "Edgar", "startTime": "1405.24", "endTime": "1417.8799", "body": "Hopefully all the time that I'm doing, you know, it shows them that I'm doing the time for them to where they don't, you know, they don't do it. I hope they see that." }, { "speaker": "Lena", "startTime": "1418.6", "endTime": "1447.0", "body": "Well, thank you both for your honesty and your courage and your willingness to let others learn from your experiences. Thank you. Thank you for listening to this Roundtable with Nathan Antone and Edgar Carlisle. We appreciate their willingness to speak openly and share their experiences. In our next and final episode of this special mini series, you'll hear from Brian Butler and Andrew Carlisle as we close out the Therapeutic Writing Program with their group discussion." }, { "speaker": "Lena", "startTime": "1447.7842", "endTime": "1458.3441", "body": "If you have questions or feedback, you can reach out lenaslesn@srpmic-nsn.gov Thank you for joining us, and we'll see you in Episode five." } ] }