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At the peak of his success, Thom Yorke went silent.

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In 1997, his band was on top of the musical mountain with

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an art rock masterpiece, but all he could think is that guitar music

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was dead.

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And now the world was waiting for their next album, and he had nothing.

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Every recording session was a failure. They went back again and again.

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The band was split. Some wanted to make guitar-based music that made them famous.

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Others thought Radiohead might be done.

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Then Thom Yorke disappears into a country house with a piano, and he walks out with

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the kernel of an idea, the start of an album that would define the

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decade and predict the future.

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Everything.

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This

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is Kid

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A.

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Everything.

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Everything. Everything.

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I'm Adam Maness.

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And I'm Peter Martin.

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And you're listening to the You'll Hear It podcast.

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Music. Explore.

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Explore, brought to you today by Open Studio.

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Go to openstudiojazz.com for all

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your jazz lesson needs, Peter, because big day?

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Well, I was going to ask you. I thought you might say biggest day.

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Am I shaking right now?

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I'm shaking a little bit.

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You've been electric all day, scurrying around here like

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an axonial.

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My skin has been buzzing-

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Your skin is glowing

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... all week. Everything feels more vibrant.

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The colors of the trees are unbelievable right now.

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They are. Well, it's spring. Actually, that sort of just happened.

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Don't yuck up my yum, buddy. I feel like my feet hasn't touched the floor

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since Monday morning.

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Peter, I am so stoked that we are listening to Radiohead's 2000

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masterpiece, Kid A. Buddy, this record, for me, is so

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important. It's a huge album in my life.

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Huge album in my life.

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I'm so excited to experience this with you.

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We've been talking about this, but it's such a

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joy to have. And I know this is not your only record.

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No, not at all. Man, I was

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just so knocked over by this. I was 20.

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I hadn't listened to as much music as I'd listened

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to now.

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And it was the fact that a band could change this much.

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This band changed from what they started with, thinking about Creep and all this

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stuff from when I was driving around High Ridge.

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"Cause I creep."

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And now I'm walking down-

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... 22nd Street. No, that's a good Creep.

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I'm walking down 22nd Street-

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... and I've got

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Morning Bell going in my ears, and I'm like, "What is happening?"

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"What is happening? This is amazing."

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Would you say, did it

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maybe subconsciously open up the poss... I mean, you're 20 years old.

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minute we're like, "I'm done. Everything's too late." But did it open up

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sort of musical

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or artistic possibilities?

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Did you feel like, "Oh my God, the

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cloud's clear. That mountain is way bigger than I thought it was"?

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For sure. First of all, just the feeling tone of this.

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The melancholic tone of this

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had been ringing in my ears already from people like Elliott Smith, from people

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like Brad Mehldau-

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... who I was already a massive fan of-

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... who we'll talk about as well, has a Radiohead thing too.

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Stereolab, people like that, that have this sort of bittersweetness about their

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music. This is the ultimate melancholy album.

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This is the ultimate rainy day, driving around at night album.

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If you are down, you put it on,

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and you either feel more down, or you're like, "Okay.

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Well, at least other people have been down."

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You feel the connection to humanity through it.

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100%.

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Even though it's an album with a lot of machines.

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You know what I mean? But it's a very human story that is being told musically

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And then also, some nerdy music things. You know I'm a harmony geek, right?

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In the same way that Stevie Wonder informed my sort of taste of modal

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interchange, this has a whole other thing of modal interchange, which I'll go into

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nerdy stuff later about what that is. But they use it a lot different.

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They use it more like Schumann-

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... or Brahms or someone like that.

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And it works in this way. Or like John Williams, like that feeling, right?

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And man, I was like, "How can a rock band do

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And be so popular.

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It was really... I mean, it's kind of like how when we talk about Steely Dan, like

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how do they keep getting away with putting these jazzy chords in these huge pop

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songs?

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And with this, I feel like, how do they keep getting away with this?

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They're putting actual interesting stuff in the harmony, and as a harmony

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nerd, I was just elated about this album.

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Oh, that's so great. So I was

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30, or nearly 30, maybe 29. No, that's not

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right. Wait, 2000. Yeah, that's right.

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And when this record came out, I didn't

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even notice it for some reason.

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Just for whatever reason. And so

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I did hear it some, and I was aware of it, but mainly because of Brad Mehldau.

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Sure, yeah, jazz superstar at that point.

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Well, I was not a jazz... I was sort of at the tail

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end of my hardcore... No, I was a few years

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past that. I was playing a lot of music. I was recording.

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And it wasn't that I wasn't still exploring stuff, but it was a big deal.

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I wasn't exploring everything that came out.

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But what I'm so excited today, and I have been listening to this record the last

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I've heard the whole thing a couple of times.

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But I sort of backed off because I wanted to experience it sort of as you as

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my guide. And I think that that can be for a lot of people because we think, look,

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we know there's going to be a lot of people on here that are like, "This is my

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jam," or are like, "It's not as good as OK Computer," or whatever.

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There's a lot of exposure to this.

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Oh, there's going to be a ton of argument in the comments about what the best

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Radiohead album is.

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Let's go back in time a little bit. Let's start with the start of it.

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So I was around for all of these. The very first Radiohead album that was

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really on our radars, at least, was the album called Pablo Honey.

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It came out in 1993, and it produced this-

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That's when Pablo Escobar came on the scene, too, I believe.

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Pablo Honey produced what some might call the white people anthem.

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Patrice O'Neal might call the white people anthem.

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Oh, Sweet Caroline. Got you.

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It's Creep. You probably heard it.

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It's their first big hit. It was a huge hit.

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When you were here before.

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It's an unbelievable song. It's a great album, actually, but it sounds a lot like

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all the other stuff that's going on around there, right?

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It sounds a lot like all of the alternative, not all of it, but in a

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vein of the alternative music, especially coming out of Great Britain at that time.

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Would it be considered alternative rock, or was that later they called it that?

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No, it's definitely alt rock.

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Alt rock.

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For sure.

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Some people have defined Radiohead as art rock.

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I think that becomes more obvious as they continue.

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We're going to talk about that maybe.

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Maybe a little bit.

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Here's the part everybody wants to hear.

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You're so f*****g special.

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And I'm a creep.

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There we go.

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If you haven't seen, there's a great clip on YouTube of comedian, RIP, Patrice

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O'Neal riffing on Creep. Just look it up. It's unbelievable.

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Okay. I'm driving around. I wasn't even driving yet.

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I was just an eighth grader coming into freshman year, going to marching band

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camps-

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... and being in the back of old Honda Civics-

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... while people were shooting darts out of the front seat, and I'm like, "Am I a

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grownup? I don't know what's going on."

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'95, though, I'm well into high school, and this comes out.

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This is from The Bends. Bends is an unbelievable album. Great songs.

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This is High and Dry. Another big song for them.

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They're already a very popular band at this point.

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Yeah. These were number one hits, right?

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I don't think these were number one hits-

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... but they were-

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But they were big hits

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... they were big hits. I'm not sure about that actually.

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Rock hits.

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This is '95?

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'95.

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Two chumps in a week, I bet you anything.

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Beautiful melodies. Thom Yorke, who's the lead singer-

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... has a very distinctive voice.

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It's kind of brittle. It's actually more-

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It's not quite falsetto, but it's upper range, right?

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Is that considered falsetto?

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Falsetto? It's not really falsetto.

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It's kind of like a mixed voice, but he's just got a real delicate-

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It is, yeah

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... real quality to it that has a lot of that

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pathos.

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Ethos as well.

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So...

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That was '95.

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That was '95. '97 comes out, and all of a sudden, everybody who is into

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Radiohead and into music in general is like, "Here's Radiohead's

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album, OK Computer." And is like, "Oh, something's happening."

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Mm.

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"Something is changing. This is different."

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And you can tell on this track, Paranoid Android. First, the name alone.

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Paranoid Android. Starts with that electronic sound.

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Right, but then goes right to the guitar.

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There's computer voices on this album.

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It's the first taste of a real dystopian or-

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... skeptical look at the future.

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Yeah.

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As good as it gets.

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This melody.

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And I'm trying to get

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somewhere.

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That harmony.

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Very hip.

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From all the anger.

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Programmed drums really well. That's programmed, right?

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So good.

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I don't know.

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Man, the mix.

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Oh.

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Put some headphones on from this album.

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Shout out to Nigel Godrich.

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God tier.

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God tier.

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What's there.

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No. No, I mean, we're getting into-

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Yeah

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... that sort of Stevie Wonder harmonic territory-

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Yeah

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... of the voice leading inside of all these things is like, you're like, "Oh,

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there's some real sophistication happening."

269
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Yeah.

270
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This isn't just, no offense to someone like The Offspring or something

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like that-

272
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... other alternative rock where it's like, okay, we're putting some power chords

273
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together, or maybe there's some droning stuff.

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This is like, holy smokes, there's some real, dare I say, English

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harmonic sophistication-

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Yes

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... à la Benjamin Britten and people like that happening.

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Same album, this happens, and I just want to play Exit Music for a while.

279
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This would end up at the end of a couple films, as would a cover I'm about to play.

280
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This is still from OK Computer, still from 1997.

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This might as well-

282
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This is called Exit Music for a Film, right?

283
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Yeah. And it might as well be-

284
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Is that the title?

285
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That's the title.

286
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Exit Music for a Film. Might as well be Chopin, honestly.

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Is that Yorke on guitar or the other guy?

288
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I doubt it. Maybe.

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From your sleep.

290
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We're drying off

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your tears.

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Today,

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we escape.

294
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We escape.

295
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Sus.

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Mm-hmm.

297
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Picardy.

298
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Major. Right.

299
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Pack your bags.

300
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Do one more verse just to get to this part where you can see the harmonic

301
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sophistication blooming even more.

302
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You

303
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can hear them growing.

304
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Yeah.

305
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Every album is getting a little bit more rich.

306
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The textures are getting a little bit, harmonically, not just production-wise,

307
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which is also happening.

308
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Yeah.

309
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But in the music itself, and the depth of the songwriting.

310
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Yeah, and the texture of his voice.

311
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Oh, exquisite.

312
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He's not

313
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the world's greatest singer.

314
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No. But it's so-

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Breathe

316
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... gorgeous.

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Keep breathing

318
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It's some kind of

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synth

320
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vocal thing.

321
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Don't leave.

322
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Oh, is that the-

323
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Synclavier?

324
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No. Maybe. What's the white one with the

325
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tapes?Little tape machine.

326
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Ooh.

327
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Okay.

328
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That's beautiful.

329
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Man, there's elements, and we're going to hear this on Kid A too, I was thinking

330
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about with Thom Yorke's voice. He's always doing the lead

331
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vocals, right?

332
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Yeah.

333
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Yeah.

334
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You know Fado? I believe I'm saying this correctly, the Portuguese style of music.

335
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Yeah.

336
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I think Fado, or maybe it's Fazioli.

337
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Apologies in advance.

338
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No worries.

339
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Obrigado.

340
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Obrigado.

341
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But, it's a beautiful style of music that goes back hundreds of years,

342
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and I know it influenced some up in what became the UK, and

343
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I don't know exactly how that happened.

344
00:12:44,150 --> 00:12:46,870
But Fado is, I think it basically means sad.

345
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Yeah.

346
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And this music is so beautiful, but it's all got this very, I don't

347
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want to say morose because I think morose means something a little different.

348
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Melancholy is a great word for this.

349
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Melancholy, yes.

350
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There's a feeling of just like, ugh.

351
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Yeah.

352
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You know?

353
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But even if you don't hear, and when I'm hearing Fado, I

354
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don't understand the lyrics because they're in Portuguese, but I don't understand a

355
00:13:06,170 --> 00:13:08,470
lot... Well, this I hear, when we're getting into Kid A.

356
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Kid A is hard to understand.

357
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But you feel it in his voice.

358
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Yeah. You get the nuances.

359
00:13:12,140 --> 00:13:14,750
And then the harmony, which you've been pointing out, is so...

360
00:13:14,850 --> 00:13:18,510
But it's got this tinge of, like melancholy has, of optimism.

361
00:13:18,670 --> 00:13:18,930
Yeah.

362
00:13:18,990 --> 00:13:22,230
Which with these unexpected majors and stuff when you think it's going to go to

363
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minor.

364
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100%. There's a lot of hope in the melancholy-

365
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Yeah

366
00:13:24,780 --> 00:13:28,520
... which is interesting. I brought out "Exit Music" there from OK Computer because

367
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that came out in 1997. I was a senior in high

368
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school.

369
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Yeah.

370
00:13:34,210 --> 00:13:37,770
And my hero at the time, besides yours truly, my co-host here,

371
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was Brad Mehldau.

372
00:13:38,950 --> 00:13:39,070
Yeah.

373
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I was a young jazz pianist. I was playing on the scene here-

374
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Yeah

375
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... in Willie Akins' band in St. Louis. I was obsessed with Brad Mehldau.

376
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He's making-

377
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That was his Warner Brothers days

378
00:13:47,130 --> 00:13:47,550
Well, he's in the-

379
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He's in the height of like the Art of the

380
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Trio.

381
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Yeah.

382
00:13:50,730 --> 00:13:54,480
On Art of the Trio, Volume 3, 1998, he covers "Exit

383
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Music."

384
00:13:54,910 --> 00:13:54,960
Wow.

385
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And this is when my ears perked up a little bit of like, too, of like, oh, wait.

386
00:13:58,790 --> 00:14:02,510
If this incredible, sophisticated jazz pianist that I know

387
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knows his s**t-

388
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Yeah

389
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... thinks that this rock band's music is good enough to put on one of these

390
00:14:08,290 --> 00:14:08,590
albums-

391
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Yes

392
00:14:09,460 --> 00:14:13,080
... it kind of elevates it for me. It's kind of like an endorsement from a-

393
00:14:13,150 --> 00:14:14,650
Absolutely

394
00:14:14,660 --> 00:14:16,090
... really keen expert on the music.

395
00:14:16,150 --> 00:14:17,210
Yeah. Validates.

396
00:14:17,270 --> 00:14:20,150
Not only that, but this is absolutely gorgeous-

397
00:14:20,289 --> 00:14:20,390
Yeah

398
00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,330
... this cover of it. It's 100% beautiful, as is all of the Art of the

399
00:14:24,370 --> 00:14:24,990
Trio volumes. We

400
00:14:25,890 --> 00:14:26,790
got to do Art of the Trio volumes.

401
00:14:26,810 --> 00:14:28,070
Is this from at the Vanguard?

402
00:14:28,410 --> 00:14:30,489
No, this is a studio one Art of the Trio.

403
00:14:30,650 --> 00:14:32,769
I think. I think this is one of the studio ones.

404
00:14:33,710 --> 00:14:35,810
I remember hearing him play this at the Vanguard, though, live.

405
00:14:36,210 --> 00:14:37,530
It was in a set. He also, by the way-

406
00:14:37,690 --> 00:14:38,730
With Howard, Corey, and Larry

407
00:14:39,090 --> 00:14:40,270
... he covers "Paranoid Android."

408
00:14:40,450 --> 00:14:40,530
Yeah.

409
00:14:40,610 --> 00:14:42,710
Quite a bit. Brad Mehldau. He's got a great arrangement of this.

410
00:14:44,010 --> 00:14:45,570
As do a lot of people, which we're going to find out.

411
00:14:45,610 --> 00:14:45,670
Yeah.

412
00:14:45,710 --> 00:14:46,990
Okay. So here's-

413
00:14:47,070 --> 00:14:49,570
Man, he did the "Paranoid Android" on the,

414
00:14:50,810 --> 00:14:52,270
was it Live in Tokyo?

415
00:14:52,430 --> 00:14:53,670
That long version of it-

416
00:14:53,790 --> 00:14:53,910
Yeah

417
00:14:53,990 --> 00:14:54,530
... is great.

418
00:14:55,390 --> 00:14:55,710
Hey,

419
00:14:56,670 --> 00:15:00,570
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420
00:15:00,610 --> 00:15:04,310
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421
00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:07,750
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422
00:15:07,770 --> 00:15:11,190
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423
00:15:11,290 --> 00:15:14,990
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424
00:15:15,070 --> 00:15:15,450
Back to the show.

425
00:15:16,750 --> 00:15:19,270
So OK Computer was this major success.

426
00:15:19,330 --> 00:15:19,590
Yeah.

427
00:15:19,810 --> 00:15:23,090
It was a critics darling. It was a commercial success.

428
00:15:23,190 --> 00:15:26,430
Some critics called it the album that saves rock, which is going to be ironic here

429
00:15:26,450 --> 00:15:30,190
in a minute. And there were really, really high expectations

430
00:15:30,850 --> 00:15:33,010
for Radiohead's next album.

431
00:15:34,070 --> 00:15:37,299
And was it their biggest hit until... I mean, except for "Creep" obviously.

432
00:15:37,299 --> 00:15:37,710
Oh, yeah.

433
00:15:37,730 --> 00:15:37,830
But I mean-

434
00:15:37,870 --> 00:15:38,750
No, it was a huge hit.

435
00:15:38,810 --> 00:15:39,530
It was a huge hit, right.

436
00:15:40,290 --> 00:15:44,070
And this, along with a grueling touring schedule, was too much for Thom

437
00:15:44,110 --> 00:15:47,950
Yorke at the time. In November 1997, after performing a

438
00:15:48,030 --> 00:15:51,000
show in Birmingham, England, he had a breakdown.

439
00:15:51,050 --> 00:15:53,290
His bandmates asked him if he was okay-

440
00:15:53,299 --> 00:15:55,150
... thank you, but he couldn't respond.

441
00:15:55,630 --> 00:15:59,050
He said, "I always assumed that it was success was going to answer something, fill

442
00:15:59,090 --> 00:16:02,900
a gap. I was so driven for so long, like a f*****g animal.

443
00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,510
And then I woke up one day, and someone had given me a little gold plate for OK

444
00:16:06,550 --> 00:16:10,410
Computer, and I couldn't deal with it for ages." We've heard this story before of

445
00:16:10,450 --> 00:16:12,390
like, you think it's going to fill the hole-

446
00:16:12,770 --> 00:16:12,950
Right

447
00:16:13,210 --> 00:16:14,490
... and it doesn't fill the hole.

448
00:16:14,670 --> 00:16:15,870
Oh, only one gold plate?

449
00:16:16,050 --> 00:16:16,170
No.

450
00:16:16,570 --> 00:16:17,370
It's not platinum.

451
00:16:18,650 --> 00:16:22,510
But everybody who hasn't had monster hit albums is like,

452
00:16:22,579 --> 00:16:23,560
"Well, let me find out for myself first."

453
00:16:23,590 --> 00:16:24,110
That's right.

454
00:16:25,050 --> 00:16:25,620
By the time they sat down-

455
00:16:25,620 --> 00:16:27,170
"Hey, buddy, being rich is hard." "Really?

456
00:16:27,330 --> 00:16:27,710
Let me see."

457
00:16:27,890 --> 00:16:31,649
Yeah. By the time they sat down to write their next album, Yorke's breakdown had

458
00:16:31,690 --> 00:16:34,719
become a creative block. He actually had writer's block for two years.

459
00:16:34,730 --> 00:16:36,310
Here's Thom talking about it a little bit.

460
00:16:36,910 --> 00:16:37,790
Every singer's problem.

461
00:16:38,190 --> 00:16:40,930
At the end of OK Computer, we finished touring, and

462
00:16:42,970 --> 00:16:43,390
I

463
00:16:44,390 --> 00:16:47,810
was sort of trapped in a series of sort of-

464
00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:48,710
Sort of

465
00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:51,850
... in my own particular labyrinth.

466
00:16:52,570 --> 00:16:52,969
Yeah.

467
00:16:53,470 --> 00:16:53,690
And

468
00:16:56,130 --> 00:17:00,030
followed by this weird sort of monologue, criticism,

469
00:17:00,110 --> 00:17:01,370
everything I did,

470
00:17:02,890 --> 00:17:03,390
which

471
00:17:04,370 --> 00:17:07,990
became from being sort of propelled into this weird

472
00:17:08,270 --> 00:17:12,250
state where people were projecting things onto me in a

473
00:17:12,270 --> 00:17:13,830
particular way, which

474
00:17:16,250 --> 00:17:19,210
I didn't have the right sort of support mechanism to deal with it.

475
00:17:19,230 --> 00:17:19,300
Mm.

476
00:17:19,401 --> 00:17:19,631
And

477
00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:24,410
so I internalized a lot of it, and it sort of, kind of shut me down.

478
00:17:25,190 --> 00:17:27,870
And so whenever I tried to write something, whenever I sat in front of

479
00:17:27,950 --> 00:17:30,810
any instrument,

480
00:17:32,650 --> 00:17:36,430
I sort of froze. I had this sort of thing in the way, this

481
00:17:36,490 --> 00:17:38,210
little voice going, "Me, me, me, me, me."

482
00:17:39,670 --> 00:17:40,810
I remember sitting

483
00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:45,490
endlessly playing the riff for "Everything in its Right Place,"

484
00:17:46,110 --> 00:17:49,450
like a sort of trying to meditate my way out of it and not being able to.

485
00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:50,320
Mm.

486
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:51,990
Until eventually,

487
00:17:54,990 --> 00:17:58,950
I'd sort of stopped for a while. We were in Cornwall a lot, and I was

488
00:17:59,050 --> 00:17:59,820
walking around-

489
00:18:00,350 --> 00:18:01,600
Cornwall. Beautiful

490
00:18:01,630 --> 00:18:04,630
... absorbing the landscape, being in the sea a lot, and I

491
00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:08,910
just started drawing and absorbing the landscape and-

492
00:18:09,470 --> 00:18:11,450
What an English thing to do

493
00:18:45,340 --> 00:18:51,000
Everything.

494
00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,420
Everything. Everything.

495
00:18:58,120 --> 00:18:58,960
Everything

496
00:19:02,380 --> 00:19:05,640
in its right place.

497
00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:08,900
In its right

498
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,820
place. In its

499
00:19:12,860 --> 00:19:15,020
right place.

500
00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,380
In its right place.

501
00:19:20,620 --> 00:19:24,300
Yesterday

502
00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:27,840
I woke up sucking a lemon.

503
00:19:28,340 --> 00:19:31,860
Yesterday I woke up sucking a

504
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,220
lemon. Yesterday I woke up

505
00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:39,060
sucking a lemon. Yesterday I

506
00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:42,860
woke up sucking a lemon.

507
00:19:46,580 --> 00:19:48,760
Everything. Everything.

508
00:19:51,420 --> 00:19:58,940
Everything.

509
00:19:59,380 --> 00:20:02,710
Woo. In its right place.

510
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:06,820
In its right

511
00:20:07,140 --> 00:20:10,960
place. In its

512
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,220
right place.

513
00:20:15,820 --> 00:20:16,620
Right

514
00:20:16,740 --> 00:20:21,140
place.

515
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,260
There are two colors in

516
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,520
my head. There are two

517
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,809
colors in my head. What,

518
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,020
what is that you tried to say?

519
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:37,190
What, what is that you tried to say?

520
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:38,260
You know what doesn't happen?

521
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,120
No, just... Yeah, it's right there.

522
00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:45,170
What is that you tried to say?

523
00:20:45,170 --> 00:20:45,840
It's the little kick.

524
00:20:48,380 --> 00:20:49,760
What is that you tried to say?

525
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,030
But that's been there since the very beginning. The second measure.

526
00:20:53,580 --> 00:20:56,900
What is that you tried to say?

527
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,140
Tried to say.

528
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:03,490
Pull back.

529
00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:04,300
Filters open.

530
00:21:04,420 --> 00:21:04,760
Pulls back.

531
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,089
It's a 10-beat cycle here.

532
00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:11,320
Yeah.

533
00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:13,500
I always hear it as five.

534
00:21:15,060 --> 00:21:15,440
One.

535
00:21:16,020 --> 00:21:19,320
Two. Three. Four. Five.

536
00:21:19,900 --> 00:21:20,020
One.

537
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:20,400
Yeah.

538
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:21,140
Two.

539
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:23,730
But yeah, with the bass drum.

540
00:21:23,730 --> 00:21:27,420
It's a masterpiece, man. This was made by just Thom

541
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,080
and Nigel Godrich. I should say before we go too far,

542
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,760
Radiohead is Thom Yorke on vocals, keys, bass, synth, Johnny

543
00:21:35,820 --> 00:21:37,360
Greenwood on lead guitar,

544
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,800
Colin Greenwood on bass, Ed O'Brien on guitar and backing

545
00:21:41,820 --> 00:21:45,460
vocals, and Phil Selway on the drums and drum machine,

546
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,860
and really the huge part of the band is Nigel Godrich.

547
00:21:48,980 --> 00:21:52,780
Another huge part of the band is artist Stanley Donwood, who has done all of

548
00:21:52,820 --> 00:21:56,120
their cover art. Plus, we'll get into the art later-

549
00:21:56,180 --> 00:21:56,280
Yeah

550
00:21:56,340 --> 00:22:00,160
... with the Kutcher months. It's unreal how much art is involved with

551
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,640
each one of these, especially the later albums, but especially this period,

552
00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:05,179
Kid A and Amnesiac.

553
00:22:05,460 --> 00:22:09,360
Which one of the Greenwood boys did, the Greenwood brothers, did the

554
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,209
PTA movie last year?

555
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,900
So Jonny Greenwood is frequently a collaborator with Paul Thomas Anderson.

556
00:22:13,940 --> 00:22:14,080
Okay.

557
00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:17,960
Most recently did 'One Battle After Another' but has also done the scores for

558
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,500
'Phantom Thread,' for 'There Will Be Blood.'

559
00:22:21,780 --> 00:22:23,260
He's an amazing musician.

560
00:22:23,380 --> 00:22:23,390
Yeah.

561
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:24,080
Amazing musician.

562
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,380
Him and Thom are an incredible duo.

563
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,160
But honestly, the whole rest of the band, Ed O'Brien is amazing.

564
00:22:31,340 --> 00:22:32,720
Phil Selway's amazing.

565
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,460
Colin. They're all great artists in their own right. It's great.

566
00:22:36,500 --> 00:22:40,480
And has the personnel stayed? I know they all went to prep school

567
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:40,999
together, right?

568
00:22:41,140 --> 00:22:42,380
It's all stayed the same.

569
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:43,740
It's all stayed the same, which is great.

570
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,380
Okay, I have some things cued up here that I want to play.

571
00:22:48,220 --> 00:22:48,790
Mostly-

572
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:50,740
And did you say Thom did the whole...

573
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,440
He was the only one involved with that first track?

574
00:22:52,740 --> 00:22:53,480
Thom and Nigel.

575
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:54,069
And Nigel. Okay.

576
00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:56,320
Yeah. So I want to get into here.

577
00:22:59,980 --> 00:23:01,280
Ooh.

578
00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:05,650
All this stuff going on.

579
00:23:05,660 --> 00:23:06,360
Menacing.

580
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:07,400
Oh.

581
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,180
Let's back it up just a little bit.

582
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,600
Yeah.

583
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,530
These are all the background vocals-

584
00:23:14,550 --> 00:23:14,650
Yeah

585
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:15,800
... with effects and things.

586
00:23:16,020 --> 00:23:16,220
Yeah.

587
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,120
Some vocoder on there, eh?

588
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:21,540
I don't know what they're using, honestly.

589
00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:22,920
I know they have a whole bunch of-

590
00:23:23,300 --> 00:23:24,970
At the beginning already. Yeah.

591
00:23:27,380 --> 00:23:27,780
Oblo.

592
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,000
It

593
00:23:35,140 --> 00:23:38,600
gives the whole album all of these things, especially this track.

594
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,940
It gives those sort of background synth

595
00:23:42,180 --> 00:23:43,740
samples. They're using a lot of samples.

596
00:23:43,780 --> 00:23:44,020
Yeah.

597
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,840
They have that pad, that synth pad, where Jonny Greenwood

598
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,660
live will be affecting Thom Yorke's voice-

599
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:51,210
Mm.

600
00:23:51,210 --> 00:23:51,960
... as they're going.

601
00:23:52,980 --> 00:23:55,060
But it just makes for such a

602
00:23:56,260 --> 00:23:57,420
rich palette. Let's

603
00:23:58,260 --> 00:23:59,400
hear that kick drum. Oh.

604
00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:00,660
It's a heartbeat.

605
00:24:01,210 --> 00:24:01,760
That's it.

606
00:24:01,780 --> 00:24:01,870
Right.

607
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:02,640
This is all it does.

608
00:24:03,140 --> 00:24:06,840
But think about that speed, like it being a heartbeat. It's not like boom, boom.

609
00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:08,840
But it's also not a relax, like

610
00:24:10,220 --> 00:24:10,720
it's going

611
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,420
It's telling you about something that's going to happen.

612
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,740
You're a little bit on alert

613
00:24:21,048 --> 00:24:24,848
It feels like, and especially in 2000, this is definitely one of those albums that

614
00:24:24,888 --> 00:24:25,118
we take-

615
00:24:25,138 --> 00:24:26,888
We just made it past Y2K, barely.

616
00:24:27,388 --> 00:24:30,948
Yeah. And it's one of those albums that's been so influential on a whole generation

617
00:24:30,988 --> 00:24:34,498
of musicians that we just take it for granted, these kinds of sounds.

618
00:24:34,568 --> 00:24:36,578
But it was, at least in the popular culture-

619
00:24:36,788 --> 00:24:36,968
Yeah

620
00:24:36,978 --> 00:24:38,948
... not certainly in electronic music circles.

621
00:24:38,988 --> 00:24:41,338
A lot of these things were already a bit dated that they were doing.

622
00:24:41,428 --> 00:24:41,708
Yeah.

623
00:24:41,748 --> 00:24:45,688
But like in popular music, Radiohead as a band really brought this over

624
00:24:45,728 --> 00:24:49,268
the finish line with Kid A into the mainstream consciousness, especially the way

625
00:24:49,328 --> 00:24:53,228
that they used it. This song, "Everything in Its Right Place," has been covered

626
00:24:53,688 --> 00:24:54,748
again by Brad Mehldau.

627
00:24:56,288 --> 00:24:56,748
This is killing.

628
00:24:58,108 --> 00:24:58,668
That's Larry, right?

629
00:24:59,288 --> 00:25:03,268
Yeah. Jazz musicians love Radiohead, by the way. That's Larry Grenadier on bass.

630
00:25:04,968 --> 00:25:06,148
Jeff Ballard on drums.

631
00:25:07,068 --> 00:25:07,508
Ballard.

632
00:25:22,308 --> 00:25:23,818
Oh, he's got the C extension going-

633
00:25:24,088 --> 00:25:24,568
Mm-hmm

634
00:25:24,578 --> 00:25:25,688
... on the E string.

635
00:25:30,008 --> 00:25:33,208
This is from Anything Goes, the album. Anything Goes, Brad Mehldau Trio.

636
00:25:38,708 --> 00:25:39,788
Larry's such a monster, man.

637
00:25:40,768 --> 00:25:41,368
What a musician.

638
00:25:44,408 --> 00:25:46,568
Little crossover with Brown Sugar. He played on that as well.

639
00:25:46,828 --> 00:25:47,268
He did.

640
00:25:47,368 --> 00:25:47,548
Yeah.

641
00:25:53,788 --> 00:25:55,008
Yeah. The C is strong.

642
00:25:57,388 --> 00:25:57,668
Ha.

643
00:26:00,848 --> 00:26:01,288
Baby.

644
00:26:02,848 --> 00:26:03,748
Yeah, that's good.

645
00:26:07,068 --> 00:26:07,488
Ooh.

646
00:26:08,508 --> 00:26:09,388
It's a little bit slower.

647
00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:10,048
A little bit slower.

648
00:26:10,128 --> 00:26:10,248
Yeah.

649
00:26:11,188 --> 00:26:15,168
So that's Brad Mehldau. Also, another great Gen X ah

650
00:26:15,228 --> 00:26:18,568
jazz pianist has covered this in a very interesting way in a mashup with Herbie

651
00:26:18,608 --> 00:26:20,488
Hancock's "Maiden Voyage." This is Robert Glasper.

652
00:26:20,928 --> 00:26:22,068
Pitch perfect shout-out.

653
00:26:23,028 --> 00:26:26,948
This is from his Blue Note album, In My Element, which is a very, very good

654
00:26:26,988 --> 00:26:27,288
album.

655
00:26:33,868 --> 00:26:35,948
Hmm. Let's take it up to D, eh?

656
00:26:58,688 --> 00:27:02,488
Woo. I never noticed, so he took this from five and put it in six.

657
00:27:03,208 --> 00:27:06,928
Five, six. One, two, three,

658
00:27:07,568 --> 00:27:11,328
four, five, six. One, two,

659
00:27:11,968 --> 00:27:13,988
three, four, five.

660
00:27:18,268 --> 00:27:18,668
That's great.

661
00:27:18,908 --> 00:27:19,388
Pretty creative.

662
00:27:19,908 --> 00:27:23,218
One thing, like you were showing, I was just wondering if we could hear the

663
00:27:23,328 --> 00:27:25,988
original just for a second, because rhythmic, like when you broke it

664
00:27:26,028 --> 00:27:29,608
down with all the stuff happening in there, and then

665
00:27:29,748 --> 00:27:33,488
harmonically, how it's setting the tone for what is to

666
00:27:33,528 --> 00:27:33,818
come-

667
00:27:33,898 --> 00:27:37,168
... and just such a vibe. There's something I just noticed as we listen to it

668
00:27:37,208 --> 00:27:41,018
rhythmically with that big five, if you feel it like that, that I think

669
00:27:41,048 --> 00:27:44,048
is just genius, because there's a lot of anticipation.

670
00:27:44,068 --> 00:27:44,108
Yeah.

671
00:27:44,128 --> 00:27:46,548
And so with that, of course, the bass drum is very-

672
00:27:46,988 --> 00:27:47,428
It's holding down.

673
00:27:47,488 --> 00:27:49,168
Yeah. But if you play it again, I think

674
00:27:50,848 --> 00:27:51,597
two, three-

675
00:27:51,597 --> 00:27:53,128
It's a Prophet-5 synthesizer, by the way

676
00:27:53,148 --> 00:27:56,308
... oh, Prophet, yeah. Five, one, two.

677
00:27:56,608 --> 00:27:57,328
But you get .

678
00:27:57,428 --> 00:28:02,568
Like

679
00:28:02,608 --> 00:28:04,068
there's that constant syncopation.

680
00:28:04,358 --> 00:28:07,328
And of course, there's

681
00:28:10,208 --> 00:28:13,368
the stability, but then there's the movement, like-

682
00:28:13,608 --> 00:28:13,668
Yeah

683
00:28:13,688 --> 00:28:15,748
... the pushing forward of it is fantastic.

684
00:28:15,848 --> 00:28:15,948
Yeah.

685
00:28:16,208 --> 00:28:18,548
And then because there's no drums on this, and you keep thinking it's going to be

686
00:28:19,728 --> 00:28:20,348
And it's not.

687
00:28:21,388 --> 00:28:21,588
Yeah.

688
00:28:21,748 --> 00:28:22,428
It doesn't need that.

689
00:28:22,848 --> 00:28:23,018
I want to hear it.

690
00:28:23,018 --> 00:28:26,468
But the way it builds, the harmony and the rhythmic, and then the

691
00:28:26,528 --> 00:28:29,908
the very

692
00:28:30,448 --> 00:28:32,888
simple melodic turns and movements.

693
00:28:34,308 --> 00:28:36,248
See if we can catch some of those background vocals.

694
00:28:37,088 --> 00:28:37,368
Mm.

695
00:28:44,128 --> 00:28:44,788
It's almost like on a

696
00:28:45,788 --> 00:28:46,188
turntable.

697
00:28:48,148 --> 00:28:49,408
I always thought that was Kid A.

698
00:28:49,848 --> 00:28:50,388
Kid A.

699
00:28:50,708 --> 00:28:51,728
I don't think that's what he's saying.

700
00:28:57,228 --> 00:28:57,848
It sounds like Kid A.

701
00:28:57,928 --> 00:28:58,358
Maybe it's Kid A.

702
00:28:58,408 --> 00:28:58,708
Yeah.

703
00:28:59,568 --> 00:29:02,868
Okay.

704
00:29:08,388 --> 00:29:12,988
It's

705
00:29:13,248 --> 00:29:14,988
barely hanging on by a thread.

706
00:29:18,968 --> 00:29:19,748
Yeah.

707
00:29:22,528 --> 00:29:23,018
The cracks.

708
00:29:23,128 --> 00:29:23,348
Yeah.

709
00:29:23,488 --> 00:29:26,668
They're going to come back in.

710
00:29:28,308 --> 00:29:35,748
Man,

711
00:29:36,048 --> 00:29:36,428
this is...

712
00:29:37,308 --> 00:29:39,808
So this Prophet II, they're just going to open up the filter.

713
00:29:46,488 --> 00:29:54,367
Yeah.

714
00:29:59,308 --> 00:30:02,228
And that sound is kind of backwards-looking, right?

715
00:30:02,268 --> 00:30:02,568
Yeah.

716
00:30:02,608 --> 00:30:06,588
That's like mid-'70s, late '70s. But to

717
00:30:06,628 --> 00:30:10,608
me, this record, as I was listening to it the last few days, not only

718
00:30:10,668 --> 00:30:14,488
did it sort of take me back to the early 2000s, but I think this was

719
00:30:15,788 --> 00:30:17,088
a record that was really looking forward.

720
00:30:17,118 --> 00:30:20,968
There's sounds, certainly electronic sounds, that they're sourcing from the

721
00:30:21,688 --> 00:30:24,928
past, but I think this has a lot of angst and

722
00:30:25,268 --> 00:30:26,388
kind of-

723
00:30:26,828 --> 00:30:28,388
Surveillance society-

724
00:30:28,508 --> 00:30:28,808
It kind of-

725
00:30:28,818 --> 00:30:29,258
... political upheaval

726
00:30:29,258 --> 00:30:30,438
... predicts the future a little bit.

727
00:30:30,448 --> 00:30:30,768
Yes.

728
00:30:30,808 --> 00:30:32,028
Environmentalism.

729
00:30:32,128 --> 00:30:32,868
It does. For sure.

730
00:30:32,888 --> 00:30:33,368
Yeah.

731
00:30:33,378 --> 00:30:35,638
And then we think, "Oh, that's been around forever." No, not really.

732
00:30:36,308 --> 00:30:38,278
But a foreboding kind of environmentalism.

733
00:30:38,308 --> 00:30:39,918
Digital corporatism is in this.

734
00:30:39,968 --> 00:30:39,978
Yes. Yeah.

735
00:30:40,008 --> 00:30:40,908
It's all part of it.

736
00:30:40,968 --> 00:30:43,988
It started with "OK Computer," for sure, but this really solidified like-

737
00:30:44,388 --> 00:30:44,438
Yeah

738
00:30:44,468 --> 00:30:46,738
... that sort of like, "Oh, what are we doing?"

739
00:30:46,858 --> 00:30:48,548
"What are we walking ourselves into?"

740
00:30:48,728 --> 00:30:48,798
Yeah.

741
00:30:48,798 --> 00:30:48,838
Which,

742
00:30:49,728 --> 00:30:53,148
in 2026, feels like we're all like, "Let's walk right into it now."

743
00:30:53,188 --> 00:30:54,068
Well, we survived it-

744
00:30:54,147 --> 00:30:55,268
... kind of, and it's getting worse.

745
00:30:56,628 --> 00:30:58,588
Like the heads of tech companies are like, "Yeah, it's probably going to kill us

746
00:30:58,628 --> 00:31:00,098
all." "But we're going to do it anyway."

747
00:31:00,118 --> 00:31:01,668
Like, "Don't worry, we've got a place in New Zealand-"

748
00:31:01,738 --> 00:31:01,838
We got it. Yeah

749
00:31:01,868 --> 00:31:03,188
... a doomsday shelter.

750
00:31:03,808 --> 00:31:07,068
Next up is the title track. The second track is the title track, and the whole

751
00:31:07,168 --> 00:31:08,748
album, there's no skips. This is "Kid A."

752
00:31:16,528 --> 00:31:16,618
Mm.

753
00:31:28,348 --> 00:31:29,588
It's like a lullaby for-

754
00:31:30,128 --> 00:31:30,688
For a little-

755
00:31:30,698 --> 00:31:31,088
... for a little-

756
00:31:31,368 --> 00:31:31,818
A kid that's-

757
00:31:31,928 --> 00:31:32,728
... alien robot.

758
00:31:35,428 --> 00:31:36,728
A kid that's been implanted with...

759
00:31:37,748 --> 00:31:39,528
I love the drums here. I think-

760
00:31:40,888 --> 00:31:41,128
Oh

761
00:31:41,208 --> 00:31:42,768
... maybe modular synths? I don't know.

762
00:31:43,648 --> 00:31:47,548
In the comments, let us know how often and egregious we're

763
00:31:47,568 --> 00:31:49,528
wrong on the technology on this.

764
00:31:49,588 --> 00:31:50,208
You talking about the drum machine?

765
00:31:50,548 --> 00:31:51,088
Yeah.

766
00:31:51,148 --> 00:31:51,768
Oh, that's great.

767
00:31:51,948 --> 00:31:55,758
I know Jonny Greenwood was using, at this point, was using modular synths for

768
00:31:55,788 --> 00:31:55,948
stuff.

769
00:31:56,008 --> 00:31:56,888
Yeah.

770
00:32:09,508 --> 00:32:10,348
Dystopian.

771
00:32:15,158 --> 00:32:18,148
That's vocoder.

772
00:32:23,448 --> 00:32:45,038
This

773
00:32:45,108 --> 00:32:47,217
combination now of the electronic drums and-

774
00:32:47,268 --> 00:32:47,468
Yeah

775
00:32:48,088 --> 00:32:48,748
... Phil Selway.

776
00:32:50,648 --> 00:32:52,468
That's vocoder. It's got to be, right?

777
00:32:53,248 --> 00:32:55,028
I don't know. It's some kind of vocal effect.

778
00:32:55,068 --> 00:32:56,258
It's got to be. Yeah.

779
00:32:56,358 --> 00:32:59,188
I read somewhere that they had some kind of ancient version of a vocoder.

780
00:32:59,228 --> 00:32:59,238
Oh.

781
00:32:59,248 --> 00:33:00,898
Like a really old, like the first version.

782
00:33:00,908 --> 00:33:01,928
Vocoder is ancient.

783
00:33:03,888 --> 00:33:06,108
They sourced in Egypt from a pyramid.

784
00:33:06,888 --> 00:33:10,068
One thing I want to point out, though, is there's so much on this whole album.

785
00:33:10,108 --> 00:33:12,748
There's all these incredible production things happening, obviously.

786
00:33:13,188 --> 00:33:16,938
But the core musicality of it, the orchestration principles,

787
00:33:17,468 --> 00:33:20,368
even as we're swimming in waters that a lot of us might not have swam in,

788
00:33:20,408 --> 00:33:22,508
especially if you're 20 years old at this time.

789
00:33:22,638 --> 00:33:22,738
Mm.

790
00:33:23,128 --> 00:33:26,648
There's some familiarity with how they're

791
00:33:26,668 --> 00:33:29,108
crafting these songs, and I think that's what really cracked the code.

792
00:33:29,148 --> 00:33:32,448
Like I said, some electronic musicians were nonplussed by this album because they

793
00:33:32,468 --> 00:33:35,048
were like, "Yeah, we've been making these sounds for over a decade."

794
00:33:35,268 --> 00:33:35,368
Right.

795
00:33:36,228 --> 00:33:39,658
But I think it took a band that had already had some honestly

796
00:33:40,028 --> 00:33:41,328
popular music success-

797
00:33:41,668 --> 00:33:41,728
Mm

798
00:33:41,828 --> 00:33:45,628
... to take some of this stuff, put it together in a way that a

799
00:33:45,688 --> 00:33:49,568
mainstream kid from Missouri at the time could be like, "What is

800
00:33:49,648 --> 00:33:50,928
happening? What is this?"

801
00:33:51,168 --> 00:33:51,288
Right.

802
00:33:51,368 --> 00:33:53,948
And then I go out and I buy a Boards of Canada album.

803
00:33:54,148 --> 00:33:57,028
Then I go get into Aphex Twin. It takes

804
00:33:57,088 --> 00:34:00,968
that big band sometimes to... We've seen it again and again, man, to

805
00:34:01,068 --> 00:34:04,148
push you over the edge on some of these sounds and be sort of the pioneer.

806
00:34:04,828 --> 00:34:08,028
That song, "Kid A," one of my favorite covers of it is by

807
00:34:08,908 --> 00:34:10,488
Chris Thile and The Punch Brothers.

808
00:34:10,569 --> 00:34:10,808
Yeah.

809
00:34:11,069 --> 00:34:13,187
Check this out. Bluegrass quintet.

810
00:34:14,888 --> 00:34:17,508
Mandolin, guitar, banjo, fiddle, bass.

811
00:35:05,948 --> 00:35:19,828
To

812
00:35:19,908 --> 00:35:22,588
give the bass that sort of robotic-

813
00:35:22,828 --> 00:35:23,048
Yeah

814
00:35:24,448 --> 00:35:25,808
... tone. I think it's just brilliant.

815
00:35:26,508 --> 00:35:28,748
Okay, next up is "The National Anthem."

816
00:35:41,648 --> 00:35:44,408
Really the first time we hear Colin Greenwood, the bass player, on this whole

817
00:35:44,468 --> 00:35:44,828
album.

818
00:35:48,908 --> 00:35:53,938
Mm.

819
00:36:00,548 --> 00:36:03,348
Also, Peter, think about how much space resides on this album.

820
00:36:03,448 --> 00:36:03,648
Yeah.

821
00:36:03,968 --> 00:36:06,268
And it's not just like, "Here's the verse, here's the chorus."

822
00:36:06,328 --> 00:36:07,398
It's just like a lot of-

823
00:36:07,568 --> 00:36:07,718
Yeah

824
00:36:08,468 --> 00:36:09,128
... we're going to sit here.

825
00:36:09,188 --> 00:36:11,868
Even how they pulled out the drums for those second sec. Oh.

826
00:36:21,788 --> 00:36:22,658
I mean, this track,

827
00:36:23,488 --> 00:36:25,228
I mean, the whole album, with headphones,

828
00:36:26,628 --> 00:36:28,248
we're going to talk about that later. Incredible.

829
00:36:28,408 --> 00:36:29,228
Incredible headphone album.

830
00:36:29,348 --> 00:36:29,608
Yeah.

831
00:36:49,598 --> 00:36:52,838
I mean, the baseline is the melody, right? That's the melodic content.

832
00:36:54,358 --> 00:36:55,518
We're 90 seconds in.

833
00:36:55,698 --> 00:36:55,978
Wow.

834
00:36:58,518 --> 00:37:02,438
The publishing company, I

835
00:37:02,478 --> 00:37:03,478
see why they were sweating.

836
00:37:04,098 --> 00:37:04,858
Yeah. The record company?

837
00:37:09,358 --> 00:37:12,538
Everyone. Everyone around here.

838
00:37:14,538 --> 00:37:16,138
Everyone is so

839
00:37:17,098 --> 00:37:17,938
near,

840
00:37:19,778 --> 00:37:21,218
so in love. So in love.

841
00:37:36,678 --> 00:37:38,458
I'm going to skip ahead just a little bit.

842
00:37:40,558 --> 00:37:41,597
Get some horns in here.

843
00:37:41,838 --> 00:37:42,218
Oh, yeah.

844
00:37:44,618 --> 00:37:45,358
I skipped ahead too far.

845
00:37:47,718 --> 00:37:48,058
Here we go.

846
00:37:48,558 --> 00:37:50,078
So in love.

847
00:37:52,218 --> 00:37:52,538
Yeah.

848
00:37:58,038 --> 00:37:59,118
Little bari sax.

849
00:38:08,758 --> 00:38:09,498
Come on.

850
00:38:10,838 --> 00:38:12,138
A lot of Charles Mingus in this one.

851
00:38:12,338 --> 00:38:14,018
Very Charles Mingus. And I mean,

852
00:38:14,818 --> 00:38:18,038
that baseline, actually, this is now when the trombone...

853
00:38:18,298 --> 00:38:19,298
Do we know who this is on trombone?

854
00:38:19,358 --> 00:38:19,748
No, we don't know.

855
00:38:19,758 --> 00:38:20,578
He's a killing trombonist.

856
00:38:20,638 --> 00:38:20,718
Yeah.

857
00:38:20,938 --> 00:38:21,058
But,

858
00:38:22,218 --> 00:38:24,518
like that, I remember when I was first listening to this, I was like,

859
00:38:24,978 --> 00:38:28,738
There's kind of this

860
00:38:28,758 --> 00:38:29,938
bluesy part-

861
00:38:29,978 --> 00:38:30,488
It's major, isn't it?

862
00:38:30,488 --> 00:38:34,198
... I don't know. But when the trombone player came in, he definitely was like, He

863
00:38:34,238 --> 00:38:34,658
was like-

864
00:38:34,668 --> 00:38:34,678
Yeah

865
00:38:34,698 --> 00:38:35,688
... he completed that.

866
00:38:36,378 --> 00:38:40,038
No, Thom Yorke has said that Charles Mingus is, the complete Town

867
00:38:40,118 --> 00:38:42,918
Hall concert, is one of his biggest influences on the album.

868
00:38:42,998 --> 00:38:45,687
Along with Miles Davis' B*****s Brew, which you can hear all over this as well.

869
00:38:45,698 --> 00:38:46,098
For sure.

870
00:38:46,418 --> 00:38:48,498
And he loves, Alice Coltrane as well.

871
00:38:49,138 --> 00:38:49,287
Right.

872
00:38:49,287 --> 00:38:49,758
You can hear all that.

873
00:38:54,158 --> 00:38:54,298
Ah.

874
00:38:54,558 --> 00:38:55,238
These chords, man.

875
00:38:55,298 --> 00:38:56,067
Man. Crunchy AF.

876
00:38:56,067 --> 00:38:56,678
Pulling the drums out.

877
00:38:59,078 --> 00:38:59,718
Woo.

878
00:39:01,518 --> 00:39:03,498
Man, is there some Flea in... Wait.

879
00:39:04,078 --> 00:39:05,198
Yeah, Flea influence-

880
00:39:05,238 --> 00:39:05,278
Yeah

881
00:39:05,288 --> 00:39:06,218
... or was it the other way around?

882
00:39:07,018 --> 00:39:08,958
Thom Yorke and Flea are in a band together.

883
00:39:09,158 --> 00:39:09,838
Okay. Oh, well.

884
00:39:09,918 --> 00:39:10,378
Yeah, so

885
00:39:11,578 --> 00:39:14,218
cross-pollination. That's not Flea, but yeah.

886
00:39:14,268 --> 00:39:17,678
No, but I mean, that's a very Flea-like... I could totally see Flea playing that.

887
00:39:22,158 --> 00:39:22,578
Coltrane.

888
00:39:23,898 --> 00:39:24,198
Trumpet.

889
00:39:25,118 --> 00:39:25,938
No, but it's got that like-

890
00:39:25,998 --> 00:39:26,198
Right

891
00:39:26,258 --> 00:39:27,838
... Coltrane, late period.

892
00:39:27,888 --> 00:39:29,338
Yeah. No, I was thinking, that could be Flea too now.

893
00:39:29,558 --> 00:39:30,718
Yeah.

894
00:39:33,178 --> 00:39:34,968
We got to hear toward the end. The chords at the end are unbelievable.

895
00:39:34,998 --> 00:39:35,658
Oh, sacred.

896
00:39:40,758 --> 00:39:40,938
Oh.

897
00:39:40,978 --> 00:39:40,988
Okay, hang on.

898
00:39:40,998 --> 00:39:43,098
It's seriously hard not to play every second of this. I'm sorry, man.

899
00:39:43,138 --> 00:39:43,538
I mean-

900
00:39:43,558 --> 00:39:44,958
I'll try to be more efficient.

901
00:39:47,038 --> 00:39:47,798
I'm here for it.

902
00:39:56,718 --> 00:40:03,478
Little

903
00:40:03,538 --> 00:40:04,538
Eric Dolphy in there.

904
00:40:10,278 --> 00:40:23,958
Oh.

905
00:40:29,298 --> 00:40:30,338
Just unleashed.

906
00:40:30,828 --> 00:40:31,818
Ah. Bring the whole band back in.

907
00:40:44,938 --> 00:40:46,678
It's the national anthem.

908
00:40:49,878 --> 00:40:51,098
That's a bit of a Beatles thing, isn't it?

909
00:40:51,238 --> 00:40:51,418
Yeah.

910
00:40:51,498 --> 00:40:53,858
It's a little bit of a Sgt. Pepper's-

911
00:40:54,358 --> 00:40:54,698
March out

912
00:40:54,718 --> 00:40:57,518
... White Album vibe. So Peter, what are your thoughts so far, man?

913
00:40:57,597 --> 00:40:59,598
I know this is kind of a bit of a discovery for you.

914
00:40:59,818 --> 00:41:00,098
Yeah. I

915
00:41:02,298 --> 00:41:05,038
love this record. I mean, this is like-

916
00:41:05,148 --> 00:41:05,718
Hey, we got him.

917
00:41:05,938 --> 00:41:06,008
No, no.

918
00:41:06,018 --> 00:41:06,497
We got him.

919
00:41:07,378 --> 00:41:08,278
I was a little bit-

920
00:41:08,558 --> 00:41:08,568
Hey.

921
00:41:08,598 --> 00:41:12,498
It wasn't unexpected because you and a couple other people that I

922
00:41:12,558 --> 00:41:13,458
really respect

923
00:41:14,418 --> 00:41:16,138
love this album and hold it in very high esteem.

924
00:41:16,178 --> 00:41:17,018
So I knew it was going to be-

925
00:41:17,178 --> 00:41:17,428
No, I'm so glad

926
00:41:17,428 --> 00:41:19,478
... great. I just didn't know if I was...

927
00:41:19,578 --> 00:41:23,528
I'm telling you, it's such an exciting thing for me to, and I'm just at

928
00:41:23,558 --> 00:41:27,138
the beginning of exploring this, but you truly can have this

929
00:41:27,158 --> 00:41:31,078
discovery of, not everything, but that's the thing.

930
00:41:31,118 --> 00:41:33,838
If everything is discoverable at any time, then nothing's discoverable.

931
00:41:33,868 --> 00:41:33,938
Yeah.

932
00:41:34,458 --> 00:41:34,588
But,

933
00:41:35,698 --> 00:41:39,238
that's the endless well of music. And I've never gotten caught up in like,

934
00:41:39,858 --> 00:41:42,418
"Oh, you haven't heard this yet?" I'm like, "I got a lifetime to listen."

935
00:41:42,458 --> 00:41:42,838
Yeah, man.

936
00:41:42,938 --> 00:41:44,038
You know what I mean? You can-

937
00:41:44,138 --> 00:41:45,198
I'm looking forward to saving stuff.

938
00:41:45,298 --> 00:41:45,838
Exactly.

939
00:41:45,878 --> 00:41:45,968
Yeah.

940
00:41:46,138 --> 00:41:46,508
Yeah. And I-

941
00:41:46,508 --> 00:41:47,938
I'm saving stride piano for my 80s.

942
00:41:49,218 --> 00:41:49,708
I love stride piano.

943
00:41:49,708 --> 00:41:50,528
Listening to it or mastering it.

944
00:41:50,528 --> 00:41:51,358
I'm just not an expert on it.

945
00:41:51,458 --> 00:41:51,547
Right.

946
00:41:51,578 --> 00:41:53,118
And I'm going to get there some way.

947
00:41:53,128 --> 00:41:55,808
Like heroin. I'm saving my 90s for that because I figure that's a good time to-

948
00:41:55,808 --> 00:41:57,408
That's a great time to do it.

949
00:41:57,418 --> 00:41:58,818
But I mean, it's like... And you know what?

950
00:41:58,838 --> 00:42:00,598
If I don't get to some things, that's cool too.

951
00:42:00,678 --> 00:42:02,208
Because, you know... What's that?

952
00:42:02,398 --> 00:42:02,738
No, nothing.

953
00:42:02,858 --> 00:42:03,098
No.

954
00:42:03,158 --> 00:42:03,748
Don't get to age 20.

955
00:42:04,078 --> 00:42:06,638
Yeah, no. But I'm saying like, if there's

956
00:42:06,838 --> 00:42:10,098
Brahms, I've actually heard of him.

957
00:42:10,138 --> 00:42:14,058
I even played some. But that's one composer that I know I like, I

958
00:42:14,138 --> 00:42:17,778
know I love, that I just haven't really delved into. But I'm going to.

959
00:42:17,798 --> 00:42:18,028
It's fine, dude. It's fun to explore.

960
00:42:18,058 --> 00:42:18,898
You know what I mean? It is.

961
00:42:19,018 --> 00:42:19,198
It's fun.

962
00:42:19,278 --> 00:42:21,348
It is fun to be able to look forward to something, you know?

963
00:42:21,378 --> 00:42:23,318
It's great to have friends too that recommend stuff to you.

964
00:42:23,398 --> 00:42:23,458
Yeah.

965
00:42:23,678 --> 00:42:27,138
And for sure, when you say you like something, it puts more weight on it for me.

966
00:42:27,158 --> 00:42:27,168
Yeah.

967
00:42:27,178 --> 00:42:29,237
I'm like, "Oh, I've never really checked that out, but I'm going to check it out.

968
00:42:29,278 --> 00:42:31,828
If Peter likes it, it's probably worth checking out."

969
00:42:32,018 --> 00:42:35,798
Yeah. No, I mean, and the biggest thing, like I said, this is great here and here.

970
00:42:35,838 --> 00:42:39,188
We have some great speakers, but they're up, they're separated.

971
00:42:39,618 --> 00:42:41,678
Man, if you get a chance, check out this, especially if you're doing it for the

972
00:42:41,718 --> 00:42:43,898
first time. I was lucky that I just happened.

973
00:42:43,938 --> 00:42:46,508
I was like, "Wait." When I first started listening to this the other day, I was

974
00:42:46,558 --> 00:42:48,698
like, "Let me get some good headphones." And then I went and got my better ones,

975
00:42:48,938 --> 00:42:50,838
and then I was like, "Oh, my." It was like a revelation.

976
00:42:50,918 --> 00:42:51,018
Yeah.

977
00:42:51,158 --> 00:42:54,278
And I know that sounds like a nerdy thing, and you're just like, "No, you love the

978
00:42:54,338 --> 00:42:56,338
music, even if it's coming out of an AM radio."

979
00:42:56,428 --> 00:43:00,398
It's like, yeah, but this record, there's great stuff on it, but when you get

980
00:43:00,418 --> 00:43:01,088
this happening-

981
00:43:01,138 --> 00:43:01,628
It's a great headphone listen

982
00:43:01,628 --> 00:43:03,018
... it's a big part of the artistic-

983
00:43:03,838 --> 00:43:04,408
Honestly, I think-

984
00:43:04,408 --> 00:43:04,968
... tutelage that it gives you

985
00:43:04,968 --> 00:43:08,278
... it's one of the reasons why it's aged so well, and one of the reasons why it's

986
00:43:08,338 --> 00:43:12,188
so beloved, is because this did come out not too far

987
00:43:12,218 --> 00:43:14,946
away from the release of iPodsYou know what I mean?

988
00:43:15,026 --> 00:43:15,186
Right.

989
00:43:15,376 --> 00:43:16,586
And headphones going in.

990
00:43:16,626 --> 00:43:16,636
Right.

991
00:43:16,646 --> 00:43:20,286
I know we had Discman, and I was certainly listening to this on a Discman, but this

992
00:43:20,306 --> 00:43:23,466
would've been one of the first albums I uploaded to my first iPod.

993
00:43:23,666 --> 00:43:23,846
Right.

994
00:43:23,946 --> 00:43:27,666
You know what I mean? And walked around listening to it digitally, which also was

995
00:43:27,946 --> 00:43:28,636
weird back then.

996
00:43:28,646 --> 00:43:28,786
Yeah.

997
00:43:29,006 --> 00:43:31,666
It made you feel like what's going to happen if music is free-

998
00:43:31,866 --> 00:43:32,006
Right

999
00:43:32,046 --> 00:43:33,586
... and I can just download it for free?

1000
00:43:33,766 --> 00:43:34,236
Well, and this is 2000.

1001
00:43:34,246 --> 00:43:35,346
And this isn't talking about it.

1002
00:43:35,406 --> 00:43:39,286
Right. And this is during that time when there was so much angst

1003
00:43:39,426 --> 00:43:39,926
about that.

1004
00:43:39,986 --> 00:43:40,206
Yeah.

1005
00:43:40,316 --> 00:43:42,566
And I don't know if they actually say it, but I could feel it on this record.

1006
00:43:42,646 --> 00:43:46,166
I remember that time, which is music going to be free?

1007
00:43:46,306 --> 00:43:46,446
So

1008
00:43:47,566 --> 00:43:50,196
everything can be downloaded in low quality, everything's going backwards.

1009
00:43:50,346 --> 00:43:52,696
Kids don't understand how much that sort of devalued-

1010
00:43:52,826 --> 00:43:53,586
Napster, yeah

1011
00:43:53,596 --> 00:43:57,066
... it devalued music and musicians because you used to have to literally own a

1012
00:43:57,106 --> 00:43:58,706
piece of it, a physical piece of it.

1013
00:43:58,726 --> 00:43:58,826
Right.

1014
00:43:59,056 --> 00:44:00,886
And it could only fit so much into your life.

1015
00:44:00,966 --> 00:44:04,716
Literally fit its space, and all of a sudden we went overnight to, I can fit

1016
00:44:04,716 --> 00:44:06,496
every song I've ever heard onto this little thing.

1017
00:44:06,566 --> 00:44:09,206
Right. But this was actually before that, though.

1018
00:44:09,266 --> 00:44:10,356
This was during that time when-

1019
00:44:10,546 --> 00:44:10,916
Just before

1020
00:44:11,046 --> 00:44:14,486
... you could download where you had to have some technology.

1021
00:44:14,496 --> 00:44:16,906
So there was almost an access thing, too.

1022
00:44:16,926 --> 00:44:19,416
Because it was like, well, yeah, of course you could still buy it, but pretty soon

1023
00:44:19,426 --> 00:44:22,766
you're not going to be able to because there was no coordination with the labels-

1024
00:44:22,866 --> 00:44:23,396
iTunes or anything

1025
00:44:23,396 --> 00:44:24,496
... Apple. Yeah, none of that.

1026
00:44:24,496 --> 00:44:24,526
None of that.

1027
00:44:24,986 --> 00:44:28,126
So, there was very much a thing of music is going to die and it's not going to

1028
00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:29,566
matter because the environment is

1029
00:44:30,366 --> 00:44:32,406
falling apart because we don't take care of it.

1030
00:44:32,786 --> 00:44:34,946
And if Y2K, we barely made it past that.

1031
00:44:35,366 --> 00:44:35,766
But then the

1032
00:44:36,706 --> 00:44:37,176
election where

1033
00:44:37,986 --> 00:44:40,946
the Supreme Court... There was so much crazy stuff going on then.

1034
00:44:40,966 --> 00:44:42,246
All right. I got some horns separated out here.

1035
00:44:48,066 --> 00:44:49,726
I mean, straight dominant seventh.

1036
00:44:51,466 --> 00:44:53,526
Let's demonstrate a dominant seventh chord for three minutes.

1037
00:44:57,266 --> 00:45:03,726
Yeah,

1038
00:45:03,746 --> 00:45:06,666
the trumpet will pick up. Just come in as this fat Kansas City blues.

1039
00:45:06,686 --> 00:45:07,546
That's a good solo.

1040
00:45:07,706 --> 00:45:07,866
Yeah.

1041
00:45:16,866 --> 00:45:17,666
That's so good.

1042
00:45:17,686 --> 00:45:19,066
Man, it's like a cacophony.

1043
00:45:19,166 --> 00:45:20,006
It is.

1044
00:45:20,066 --> 00:45:20,456
It's great.

1045
00:45:20,506 --> 00:45:22,166
It's meant to be. It's meant to be like that.

1046
00:45:22,246 --> 00:45:22,256
Yeah.

1047
00:45:22,526 --> 00:45:24,606
Check this out, too, Peter. This is just for you, buddy.

1048
00:45:31,246 --> 00:45:33,406
This is Me'Shell Ndegeocello and Chris Dave.

1049
00:45:33,546 --> 00:45:35,406
Oh, I was going to say, I was like, wait, I didn't hear this on there.

1050
00:45:35,966 --> 00:45:38,926
You make it feel so good.

1051
00:45:39,026 --> 00:45:39,826
Is that Me'Shell playing?

1052
00:45:40,206 --> 00:45:40,486
I think so.

1053
00:45:42,706 --> 00:45:43,606
I never heard this.

1054
00:45:44,686 --> 00:45:46,086
Everyone.

1055
00:45:48,386 --> 00:45:51,646
Everyone around here.

1056
00:45:53,186 --> 00:45:56,316
Everyone is so near.

1057
00:45:57,686 --> 00:45:58,736
What's going on here?

1058
00:45:58,906 --> 00:46:02,736
It's actually amazing that Radiohead stuff has been covered as much as this,

1059
00:46:02,746 --> 00:46:05,286
because on first blush it's so personal.

1060
00:46:05,346 --> 00:46:06,446
It seems different, yeah.

1061
00:46:06,886 --> 00:46:09,066
It's very otherworldly in a way.

1062
00:46:09,106 --> 00:46:09,266
Yeah.

1063
00:46:09,426 --> 00:46:10,146
At least this record.

1064
00:46:10,266 --> 00:46:12,706
So specific to the production and the synthesizers.

1065
00:46:12,766 --> 00:46:13,466
Yeah, it's not the kind of thing .

1066
00:46:14,846 --> 00:46:16,106
Come on, let's do it, brother.

1067
00:46:16,116 --> 00:46:17,766
Yeah. Well, don't do it like that.

1068
00:46:18,786 --> 00:46:22,386
All right, next up is Thom Yorke's favorite song. Check this out.

1069
00:46:22,806 --> 00:46:26,056
If you could pick one song that you'd like to be remembered by, what would it be?

1070
00:46:26,056 --> 00:46:27,826
"How to Disappear and F**k You Day."

1071
00:46:28,266 --> 00:46:28,506
Why?

1072
00:46:29,526 --> 00:46:31,106
Because it's just the most beautiful thing we ever did.

1073
00:46:33,326 --> 00:46:35,566
Is 1,000% gorgeous.

1074
00:46:41,826 --> 00:46:42,466
Oh, inspired by

1075
00:46:42,586 --> 00:46:48,866
R.E.M

1076
00:46:48,936 --> 00:46:52,456
Mm.

1077
00:47:12,826 --> 00:47:15,306
That day.

1078
00:47:21,346 --> 00:47:23,566
That's not me.

1079
00:47:31,606 --> 00:47:32,665
I go.

1080
00:47:36,946 --> 00:47:40,526
Where

1081
00:47:40,786 --> 00:47:43,646
I flick.

1082
00:47:48,386 --> 00:47:52,006
I walk

1083
00:47:52,106 --> 00:47:55,886
through walls.

1084
00:47:58,606 --> 00:48:02,326
I float down the living

1085
00:48:02,546 --> 00:48:04,186
room.

1086
00:48:08,666 --> 00:48:09,706
I'm not

1087
00:48:09,716 --> 00:48:16,186
here.

1088
00:48:17,206 --> 00:48:18,146
This isn't

1089
00:48:18,566 --> 00:48:23,046
happening.

1090
00:48:26,706 --> 00:48:30,326
I'm not here.

1091
00:48:36,026 --> 00:48:39,405
I'm not here.

1092
00:48:45,746 --> 00:48:48,666
In a little while.

1093
00:48:50,306 --> 00:48:51,046
It's so pretty.

1094
00:48:51,676 --> 00:48:52,686
The strings are so pretty.

1095
00:48:54,746 --> 00:48:56,206
I'll be

1096
00:48:56,366 --> 00:48:59,286
home.

1097
00:48:59,296 --> 00:49:02,006
How did Coldplay not get sued for stealing this sound? Damn.

1098
00:49:03,306 --> 00:49:06,256
Man, listen to the other albums that were released in 2000.

1099
00:49:06,406 --> 00:49:09,946
Eminem, "The Marshall Mathers LP." OutKast, "Stankonia." When's the "Stankonia"

1100
00:49:10,046 --> 00:49:11,466
podcast happening, Pete?

1101
00:49:12,926 --> 00:49:13,606
D'Angelo, "Voodoo."

1102
00:49:13,776 --> 00:49:15,306
"Voodoo." Of course, 2000.

1103
00:49:15,806 --> 00:49:18,626
Coldplay, "Parachute." Jay-Z, "The Dynasty." Nice.

1104
00:49:20,286 --> 00:49:21,306
Joshua Redman, "Beyond."

1105
00:49:21,546 --> 00:49:24,966
Joshua Redman, "Beyond."This

1106
00:49:25,016 --> 00:49:27,016
climaxes to such a beautiful place.

1107
00:49:32,176 --> 00:49:35,396
This isn't happening.

1108
00:49:35,796 --> 00:49:39,416
That haunting guitar-ish... I think it's a

1109
00:49:39,456 --> 00:49:39,896
guitar.

1110
00:49:41,916 --> 00:49:44,316
I'm not here.

1111
00:49:51,256 --> 00:49:54,696
I'm not here.

1112
00:50:01,796 --> 00:50:03,266
Struggling

1113
00:50:03,276 --> 00:50:06,616
with

1114
00:50:06,626 --> 00:50:09,376
no

1115
00:50:11,856 --> 00:50:13,216
speaker.

1116
00:50:13,456 --> 00:50:15,016
Just crunchy chords everywhere.

1117
00:50:16,156 --> 00:50:16,896
I don't want to stop, man.

1118
00:50:20,716 --> 00:50:22,196
Fly

1119
00:50:23,436 --> 00:50:25,196
away.

1120
00:50:26,736 --> 00:50:27,296
Such great

1121
00:50:28,176 --> 00:50:31,916
attention to the big form, right? The

1122
00:50:31,956 --> 00:50:33,116
architecture of the big-

1123
00:50:33,416 --> 00:50:33,796
It just keeps-

1124
00:50:33,806 --> 00:50:34,206
... form

1125
00:50:34,256 --> 00:50:34,806
... blossoming.

1126
00:50:34,896 --> 00:50:35,116
Yeah.

1127
00:50:36,256 --> 00:50:37,316
I mean, listen to where we are now.

1128
00:50:38,576 --> 00:50:40,636
I'm not here.

1129
00:50:42,856 --> 00:50:44,356
Great choice for the strings there.

1130
00:50:47,796 --> 00:50:49,216
This isn't

1131
00:50:49,276 --> 00:50:52,156
happening.

1132
00:50:55,356 --> 00:50:55,756
Man.

1133
00:50:57,476 --> 00:50:59,136
I'm not here.

1134
00:51:06,856 --> 00:51:09,836
I'm not here.

1135
00:51:10,636 --> 00:51:11,556
When he goes up with it.

1136
00:51:15,996 --> 00:51:17,496
I can't stop it, Pete. I can't stop it.

1137
00:51:20,596 --> 00:51:23,196
Where

1138
00:51:23,206 --> 00:51:24,956
I go.

1139
00:51:25,596 --> 00:51:27,336
It's haunting.

1140
00:51:38,056 --> 00:51:38,796
Unbelievable.

1141
00:51:39,616 --> 00:51:40,196
Isn't that great?

1142
00:51:40,276 --> 00:51:40,496
Wow.

1143
00:51:40,716 --> 00:51:42,516
Unbelievable. Just so gorgeous.

1144
00:51:42,796 --> 00:51:44,076
I get why he's so proud of that.

1145
00:51:44,216 --> 00:51:44,396
Yeah.

1146
00:51:44,476 --> 00:51:48,205
That is harder than it looks to do something-

1147
00:51:48,256 --> 00:51:48,696
Oh, is that?

1148
00:51:48,716 --> 00:51:51,075
... that is that beautiful and that simple and a great song.

1149
00:51:51,296 --> 00:51:54,736
That's a bit of a little Buddhist anthem there that apparently the rumor has it,

1150
00:51:54,856 --> 00:51:57,746
and I'm not sure if this is totally true, but- ...

1151
00:51:58,916 --> 00:52:02,376
legend has it that the lyric is inspired by a mantra that R.E.M.'s Michael Stipe

1152
00:52:02,396 --> 00:52:06,205
gave Yorke to calm his anxiety on the OK Computer tour. "I'm not here.

1153
00:52:06,636 --> 00:52:07,276
This isn't happening."

1154
00:52:07,316 --> 00:52:07,856
There's itself.

1155
00:52:08,676 --> 00:52:09,496
That's a good mantra.

1156
00:52:09,576 --> 00:52:10,516
We mentioned ambient music-

1157
00:52:10,556 --> 00:52:10,566
Mantra

1158
00:52:10,566 --> 00:52:13,286
... and we certainly get it in the next track, "Treefingers,"

1159
00:52:14,276 --> 00:52:16,196
where we just chill for three minutes and 42 seconds.

1160
00:52:16,436 --> 00:52:16,556
Yeah.

1161
00:52:17,476 --> 00:52:19,256
Series of sounds.

1162
00:52:20,116 --> 00:52:21,836
I mean, this could be a Brian Eno track.

1163
00:52:21,896 --> 00:52:25,196
When this came on at home, Kelly Martin, who's a yoga instructor, was like, "Oh, I

1164
00:52:25,236 --> 00:52:25,556
love this."

1165
00:52:25,616 --> 00:52:26,296
Her ears perked up.

1166
00:52:26,456 --> 00:52:27,576
She was like, "This is good for my class."

1167
00:52:35,736 --> 00:52:37,596
These are my favorite moments on this album, actually.

1168
00:52:37,756 --> 00:52:41,616
These moments in between, and the moments of rest that they

1169
00:52:41,676 --> 00:52:41,976
have,

1170
00:52:42,796 --> 00:52:44,496
make the

1171
00:52:46,016 --> 00:52:47,976
hyperactive horns the climactic-

1172
00:52:48,056 --> 00:52:48,066
Mm

1173
00:52:48,066 --> 00:52:48,976
... moments of the song.

1174
00:52:49,036 --> 00:52:52,476
It's the form, right? It's the balance and the form of the whole album.

1175
00:52:52,976 --> 00:52:54,045
Every great album we've known, it's like...

1176
00:52:54,516 --> 00:52:55,226
So this is Brian Eno

1177
00:52:56,316 --> 00:52:57,136
influence, you said?

1178
00:52:57,676 --> 00:52:58,166
How could it not be?

1179
00:52:58,236 --> 00:52:58,536
Yeah.

1180
00:52:58,636 --> 00:52:58,836
I mean,

1181
00:53:00,276 --> 00:53:02,886
all ambient music, I think post-1980s-

1182
00:53:03,056 --> 00:53:03,236
Yeah

1183
00:53:03,416 --> 00:53:03,856
... would be.

1184
00:53:05,196 --> 00:53:06,396
Harold Budd, another one.

1185
00:53:07,756 --> 00:53:08,156
I think-

1186
00:53:08,216 --> 00:53:09,136
Lots of great ambient

1187
00:53:09,146 --> 00:53:10,736
... this kind of stuff, a lot of people-

1188
00:53:11,976 --> 00:53:12,636
Boards of Canada

1189
00:53:15,156 --> 00:53:17,796
they think, "Oh, this would be so easy to make this kind of stuff if you had the

1190
00:53:17,836 --> 00:53:18,756
right equip." But the-

1191
00:53:18,956 --> 00:53:19,016
No

1192
00:53:19,596 --> 00:53:23,236
... timing of how long are you sitting, that stuff has to be...

1193
00:53:23,596 --> 00:53:27,376
When that's not done well, it sounds like bad AI coffee house

1194
00:53:27,436 --> 00:53:27,886
jazz or something.

1195
00:53:27,916 --> 00:53:28,776
I actually don't know anything-

1196
00:53:28,816 --> 00:53:30,036
Coffee house ambient

1197
00:53:30,196 --> 00:53:33,436
... I don't know anything that's really great, which this is really great at what

1198
00:53:33,496 --> 00:53:33,796
it is-

1199
00:53:33,916 --> 00:53:34,036
Yeah

1200
00:53:34,136 --> 00:53:34,876
... that's easy to do.

1201
00:53:35,116 --> 00:53:35,216
Right.

1202
00:53:35,716 --> 00:53:37,316
Even things that seem... I mean, when I saw Chick-

1203
00:53:37,336 --> 00:53:39,706
It's supposed to seem... That's when you hit the next level, right?

1204
00:53:39,736 --> 00:53:42,696
Dude, the first time I saw, I literally watched Chick Corea play the piano.

1205
00:53:43,016 --> 00:53:43,636
Piano looked easy.

1206
00:53:44,096 --> 00:53:44,836
Right. Right.

1207
00:53:44,896 --> 00:53:46,115
It did. It was like, "Oh, that looks-

1208
00:53:46,266 --> 00:53:47,496
... super easy." He's smiling.

1209
00:53:47,856 --> 00:53:47,866
Right.

1210
00:53:47,956 --> 00:53:50,006
He's just super relaxed as he's doing it.

1211
00:53:50,316 --> 00:53:53,056
Eliud Kipchoge, as he finished the marathon in under two hours, was like-

1212
00:53:53,096 --> 00:53:53,736
Running looks easy.

1213
00:53:53,876 --> 00:53:55,196
I was like, "Oh my God, look at that little guy."

1214
00:53:55,266 --> 00:53:55,486
Go try it.

1215
00:53:55,486 --> 00:53:55,806
"He's just running."

1216
00:53:56,116 --> 00:53:57,516
Give it a shot. All right.

1217
00:53:57,936 --> 00:54:00,156
Have you seen Radiohead live? I got a couple questions for you.

1218
00:54:00,556 --> 00:54:01,356
Should I ask you an hour later?

1219
00:54:01,516 --> 00:54:01,636
Yeah.

1220
00:54:01,996 --> 00:54:04,685
You have. Live in New Jersey in 2000.

1221
00:54:04,916 --> 00:54:05,316
Okay.

1222
00:54:05,376 --> 00:54:05,676
Yeah.

1223
00:54:05,716 --> 00:54:06,316
Did you enjoy it?

1224
00:54:07,996 --> 00:54:08,306
Yeah. It was

1225
00:54:09,116 --> 00:54:09,576
transcendent.

1226
00:54:09,636 --> 00:54:12,456
So I have a couple questions from myself, but I have a couple from a friend, a

1227
00:54:12,516 --> 00:54:13,556
mutual friend of ours.

1228
00:54:13,636 --> 00:54:13,796
Okay.

1229
00:54:13,996 --> 00:54:15,076
Okay, so I'm asking for a friend.

1230
00:54:15,106 --> 00:54:15,316
Go for it.

1231
00:54:15,816 --> 00:54:17,216
Is this record pretentious?

1232
00:54:17,656 --> 00:54:17,736
No.

1233
00:54:18,216 --> 00:54:20,656
Okay. But does it get a little bit of a rap for that in-

1234
00:54:20,696 --> 00:54:21,036
Probably.

1235
00:54:21,176 --> 00:54:21,316
Yeah.

1236
00:54:21,416 --> 00:54:21,836
Yeah.

1237
00:54:21,876 --> 00:54:22,136
Okay.

1238
00:54:23,296 --> 00:54:25,276
In some circles. In some circles, it's commercial.

1239
00:54:26,076 --> 00:54:28,936
Do you think... Well, I already know how you're going to answer this, but this is

1240
00:54:28,996 --> 00:54:32,856
again, asking for a lot of people that would say, is this a betrayal from the

1241
00:54:32,896 --> 00:54:35,556
work they had, or is it the culmination, or is it a departure?

1242
00:54:35,566 --> 00:54:37,076
Oh, is this like Dylan goes electric?

1243
00:54:37,156 --> 00:54:37,256
Yeah.

1244
00:54:37,336 --> 00:54:37,616
No.

1245
00:54:38,416 --> 00:54:42,336
A little bit maybe, but no. I think it's more like, listen, you ever

1246
00:54:42,356 --> 00:54:44,506
been in an artistic spot where you're like, "What do I do now?"

1247
00:54:44,656 --> 00:54:44,756
Yeah.

1248
00:54:45,216 --> 00:54:45,836
We've all been there.

1249
00:54:45,876 --> 00:54:45,886
Yeah.

1250
00:54:45,896 --> 00:54:49,266
I mean, you hang around long enough, the thing that brought you there is

1251
00:54:49,356 --> 00:54:51,756
not really working anymore.

1252
00:54:51,856 --> 00:54:51,996
Right.

1253
00:54:52,156 --> 00:54:52,506
You're like-

1254
00:54:52,536 --> 00:54:52,776
You're right

1255
00:54:52,936 --> 00:54:54,046
... "What do I got to do?" And that's-

1256
00:54:54,636 --> 00:54:54,746
Right

1257
00:54:54,746 --> 00:54:57,936
... where the rubber meets the road of, well, how inventive are you?

1258
00:54:58,216 --> 00:54:58,536
Right.

1259
00:54:58,576 --> 00:55:02,256
And I think this is just Thom and the boys being like, "We're going to zag."

1260
00:55:02,536 --> 00:55:02,676
Yeah.

1261
00:55:02,886 --> 00:55:06,796
"You guys zig, we're going to zag and do this." And it worked for

1262
00:55:06,836 --> 00:55:07,156
them.

1263
00:55:07,216 --> 00:55:07,456
Yeah.

1264
00:55:07,496 --> 00:55:08,296
You know?

1265
00:55:09,416 --> 00:55:10,356
Oh, you're going to love this question.

1266
00:55:10,396 --> 00:55:10,716
Go for it.

1267
00:55:11,036 --> 00:55:12,156
This is right in your wheelhouse.

1268
00:55:13,096 --> 00:55:15,076
This is such a love affair. You're so happy.

1269
00:55:15,176 --> 00:55:16,836
Are you ready to just have your blood boil?

1270
00:55:16,896 --> 00:55:17,216
Go for it.

1271
00:55:18,372 --> 00:55:19,472
What genre is this?

1272
00:55:20,772 --> 00:55:22,552
We could say art rock. That's a good term.

1273
00:55:22,872 --> 00:55:23,202
Art rock.

1274
00:55:23,232 --> 00:55:24,532
There's so much art in this album.

1275
00:55:25,512 --> 00:55:29,312
Thom and his artistic partner, Stanley Donwood, have

1276
00:55:29,332 --> 00:55:32,212
done all of the art for all of the Radiohead albums-

1277
00:55:32,332 --> 00:55:32,472
Yeah

1278
00:55:32,482 --> 00:55:36,402
... I think, from the beginning, from "Pablo Honey." And this is

1279
00:55:36,472 --> 00:55:37,732
a masterpiece of cover art.

1280
00:55:38,632 --> 00:55:39,492
It's not just cover art.

1281
00:55:39,712 --> 00:55:42,952
Are you saying that's called art rock if there's-

1282
00:55:43,012 --> 00:55:43,232
No

1283
00:55:43,272 --> 00:55:44,312
... artistic vision on the cover?

1284
00:55:44,332 --> 00:55:45,432
This is art school rock.

1285
00:55:45,552 --> 00:55:45,602
Art school. Gotcha.

1286
00:55:45,752 --> 00:55:47,992
This is school for artist kids, right?

1287
00:55:48,012 --> 00:55:49,062
Right. Fancy rock.

1288
00:55:49,432 --> 00:55:49,442
Yeah.

1289
00:55:49,452 --> 00:55:50,192
Prep school rock.

1290
00:55:50,292 --> 00:55:52,192
Yeah. This is not angry mosh pit rock.

1291
00:55:52,292 --> 00:55:53,312
This is rock for

1292
00:55:54,892 --> 00:55:57,772
people who have been to a museum or 100. You know what I mean?

1293
00:55:57,792 --> 00:55:59,992
So it's not pop, even though this was a big hit.

1294
00:56:00,012 --> 00:56:00,552
It's a popular-

1295
00:56:00,622 --> 00:56:00,852
It's a hit record

1296
00:56:00,862 --> 00:56:02,342
... album, but no, it's not pop music-

1297
00:56:02,492 --> 00:56:06,252
... at all. But anyway, man, when they were recording this in one of the many

1298
00:56:06,312 --> 00:56:09,912
venues they did, apparently they had this big house, and there was a

1299
00:56:09,992 --> 00:56:11,072
mezzanine that

1300
00:56:12,272 --> 00:56:15,692
Stanley Donwood, the man who does all the art, had his own space-

1301
00:56:15,752 --> 00:56:15,762
Ah

1302
00:56:15,772 --> 00:56:19,452
... was making art for this album as it was happening, being recorded below

1303
00:56:19,532 --> 00:56:19,772
him.

1304
00:56:19,892 --> 00:56:20,012
That's cool. Yeah.

1305
00:56:20,432 --> 00:56:22,712
And Thom is part of this. They met in art school.

1306
00:56:22,812 --> 00:56:26,432
Thom is part of the process of making the art, although I think Stanley does a

1307
00:56:26,712 --> 00:56:30,152
big chunk of it. But all of this from "Pablo Honey," but

1308
00:56:30,552 --> 00:56:34,492
this period of "Kid A," "Amnesiac," "Hail to the Thief" is

1309
00:56:34,812 --> 00:56:38,522
unprecedented. I think it's such good album art. You'll see later in my review.

1310
00:56:38,532 --> 00:56:40,452
We're going to talk about it because I got one more question for you.

1311
00:56:41,032 --> 00:56:41,042
Yeah.

1312
00:56:41,112 --> 00:56:41,732
Is this

1313
00:56:42,872 --> 00:56:43,852
Radiohead's...

1314
00:56:45,272 --> 00:56:47,932
I'm thinking about different records that we've done somewhat recently.

1315
00:56:47,992 --> 00:56:49,562
Is this Radiohead's "Sign of the Times?"

1316
00:56:50,052 --> 00:56:50,152
Ooh.

1317
00:56:50,412 --> 00:56:52,422
Or maybe "Black Messiah?"

1318
00:56:52,572 --> 00:56:52,632
Yes.

1319
00:56:52,652 --> 00:56:53,612
We haven't done that yet.

1320
00:56:53,632 --> 00:56:54,392
We haven't done... Yes.

1321
00:56:54,472 --> 00:56:55,432
Or "A Moon Shaped Pool" even.

1322
00:56:57,372 --> 00:57:00,262
I would say this is more... Hmm. That's a great

1323
00:57:00,292 --> 00:57:01,532
question.

1324
00:57:01,572 --> 00:57:04,052
But you know what I'm saying, where a lot of really diehard-

1325
00:57:04,132 --> 00:57:04,712
Yeah

1326
00:57:04,722 --> 00:57:08,302
... fans would say, like, "Finally they've gotten to who they

1327
00:57:08,412 --> 00:57:08,992
actually are."

1328
00:57:09,092 --> 00:57:10,732
They did great, cool stuff, but like-

1329
00:57:10,792 --> 00:57:14,682
Yes. This is the turning point. I think some people would argue "OK Computer" was-

1330
00:57:14,742 --> 00:57:18,372
... the album before this, because there's the kernels of this, but this is when it

1331
00:57:18,432 --> 00:57:22,372
just fell off the cliff of just like, we're here, and we're going 100 miles

1332
00:57:22,412 --> 00:57:23,072
an hour down the hill.

1333
00:57:23,112 --> 00:57:23,172
Mm.

1334
00:57:23,392 --> 00:57:26,792
You know what I mean? We're doing this. Really, really doing this.

1335
00:57:27,052 --> 00:57:30,552
Yes, this changed them. I think it kind of changed a lot of

1336
00:57:31,612 --> 00:57:34,852
mainstream listeners and turned them on to new things.

1337
00:57:34,912 --> 00:57:36,472
I know I'm one of those mainstream listeners.

1338
00:57:36,572 --> 00:57:37,092
Mm.

1339
00:57:37,172 --> 00:57:40,961
And it affected a lot of people. We've heard jazz musicians,

1340
00:57:41,092 --> 00:57:42,052
bluegrass musicians-

1341
00:57:42,212 --> 00:57:42,312
Yeah

1342
00:57:42,372 --> 00:57:43,292
... R&B musicians-

1343
00:57:43,472 --> 00:57:43,562
Yeah

1344
00:57:43,692 --> 00:57:45,412
... hip-hop musicians cover this already.

1345
00:57:45,492 --> 00:57:45,692
Yeah.

1346
00:57:45,712 --> 00:57:48,212
It's iconic at this point. It's legendary, for sure.

1347
00:57:48,272 --> 00:57:48,362
Yep.

1348
00:57:49,032 --> 00:57:51,032
Peter, we're getting into my favorite run.

1349
00:57:52,082 --> 00:57:55,802
"Optimistic," "In Limbo," "Idioteque," "Morning Bell." Four songs in a row that

1350
00:57:56,072 --> 00:57:59,852
could not be better. We've had already with "Everything In Its Right Place," "Kid

1351
00:57:59,912 --> 00:58:02,952
A," "The National Anthem," "How to Disappear Completely," and that little

1352
00:58:03,752 --> 00:58:04,342
amuse-bouche-

1353
00:58:04,652 --> 00:58:04,812
Yeah

1354
00:58:04,822 --> 00:58:08,212
... that palate cleanser, "Treefingers." Such a great first part of the album,

1355
00:58:08,792 --> 00:58:12,132
but the back half of every good album that we've ever reviewed-

1356
00:58:12,712 --> 00:58:12,722
Yeah

1357
00:58:12,732 --> 00:58:15,012
... is like, remember "Bad," Michael Jackson's "Bad?"

1358
00:58:15,192 --> 00:58:15,202
Right.

1359
00:58:15,202 --> 00:58:15,822
Remember how that ends-

1360
00:58:15,992 --> 00:58:16,152
Ah

1361
00:58:16,252 --> 00:58:20,032
... like in this incredible way? This album has one of the best

1362
00:58:20,092 --> 00:58:21,452
ending runs of any album-

1363
00:58:21,532 --> 00:58:21,542
Yeah

1364
00:58:21,542 --> 00:58:22,612
... we've ever did, in my opinion.

1365
00:58:22,652 --> 00:58:26,052
Well, I only know 1% of what you do about this record, but I actually have my Apex

1366
00:58:26,132 --> 00:58:28,382
moment and my Desert Island tracks coming up, right in this-

1367
00:58:28,502 --> 00:58:30,152
... thing. So I guess I know a little something.

1368
00:58:30,172 --> 00:58:30,931
This is "Optimistic."

1369
00:58:30,992 --> 00:58:31,172
Yep.

1370
00:58:33,872 --> 00:58:33,901
Ooh. Ooh. Ooh.

1371
00:58:33,901 --> 00:58:38,491
Ooh.

1372
00:59:11,772 --> 00:59:15,592
Flies buzz around

1373
00:59:15,712 --> 00:59:19,612
my head. Vultures circling the dead.

1374
00:59:20,092 --> 00:59:23,012
Picking up every last

1375
00:59:23,072 --> 00:59:24,252
crumb.

1376
00:59:25,312 --> 00:59:28,732
The big fish eat the little ones.

1377
00:59:29,212 --> 00:59:32,912
The big fish eat the little ones. Not my

1378
00:59:32,992 --> 00:59:35,872
problem if we're sung.

1379
00:59:37,211 --> 00:59:40,922
You can try the best you can. You can

1380
00:59:41,012 --> 00:59:43,392
try the best you can.

1381
00:59:44,292 --> 00:59:47,551
The best you can is good enough.

1382
00:59:49,852 --> 00:59:53,672
You can try the best you can. You can try

1383
00:59:54,112 --> 00:59:55,572
the best you can.

1384
00:59:56,572 --> 00:59:59,772
The best you can is good enough.

1385
01:00:00,112 --> 01:00:01,492
Thank you. That's all.

1386
01:00:04,132 --> 01:00:04,452
Woo.

1387
01:00:15,012 --> 01:00:17,172
This one's optimistic.

1388
01:00:18,112 --> 01:00:20,332
This one went to market.

1389
01:00:21,172 --> 01:00:23,712
This one just came out of the

1390
01:00:23,892 --> 01:00:25,792
swamp.

1391
01:00:27,192 --> 01:00:30,692
This one drops the payload. Fight

1392
01:00:30,992 --> 01:00:34,772
for the animals. Living on

1393
01:00:34,782 --> 01:00:35,112
air-

1394
01:00:35,272 --> 01:00:36,312
This counter melody here

1395
01:00:38,012 --> 01:00:38,042
... and fire.

1396
01:00:38,052 --> 01:00:38,432
Brilliant.

1397
01:00:38,652 --> 01:00:38,912
You

1398
01:00:39,892 --> 01:00:41,092
can try the best you can.

1399
01:00:41,692 --> 01:00:41,742
Mm.

1400
01:00:41,752 --> 01:00:44,312
You can try the best you can.

1401
01:00:44,632 --> 01:00:45,172
Yeah.

1402
01:00:45,292 --> 01:00:47,412
The best you can is good

1403
01:00:47,812 --> 01:00:49,772
enough.

1404
01:00:50,872 --> 01:00:53,012
You can try the best you can.

1405
01:00:53,052 --> 01:00:55,432
And we can't go past four minutes till later.

1406
01:00:55,762 --> 01:00:57,101
The best you can.

1407
01:00:57,132 --> 01:00:59,212
I'll pause it here. I feel like we have stuff to come up again.

1408
01:00:59,292 --> 01:01:02,382
So this is where, I was talking about Stevie Wonder and modal interchange and how

1409
01:01:02,452 --> 01:01:06,132
this was, for me, a lesson in modal interchange as a young

1410
01:01:06,152 --> 01:01:09,472
musician, and this track in particular, and the one after it, "In Limbo."

1411
01:01:10,192 --> 01:01:13,972
First of all, to me, "Optimistic" and "In Limbo" are

1412
01:01:14,072 --> 01:01:16,362
like "Superwoman" and "Where Were You When I Needed You?"

1413
01:01:16,362 --> 01:01:16,752
Yeah.

1414
01:01:17,612 --> 01:01:18,532
Which is one track-

1415
01:01:18,632 --> 01:01:18,822
Connected. Right

1416
01:01:18,822 --> 01:01:21,752
... right? These two tracks are connected in my mind.

1417
01:01:21,792 --> 01:01:21,972
Yeah.

1418
01:01:21,992 --> 01:01:23,322
I can't listen to one without listening to the other.

1419
01:01:23,322 --> 01:01:24,202
But they play right into each other, too.

1420
01:01:24,212 --> 01:01:25,111
They play right into each other.

1421
01:01:25,132 --> 01:01:25,302
I love that.

1422
01:01:25,302 --> 01:01:28,092
They're in the same key, or they at least have the transition in the same key.

1423
01:01:28,592 --> 01:01:30,682
But this has, the bulk of this-

1424
01:01:35,612 --> 01:01:36,232
Right? Has the

1425
01:01:41,372 --> 01:01:44,972
So for our listeners who aren't musicians, we're going here between D

1426
01:01:45,072 --> 01:01:45,432
minor

1427
01:01:46,732 --> 01:01:47,532
and D major.

1428
01:01:47,632 --> 01:01:51,492
Yeah. And that theme has been introduced several times on

1429
01:01:51,512 --> 01:01:52,152
this album already.

1430
01:01:52,172 --> 01:01:54,682
So it's already ringing in your ears, right?

1431
01:01:54,682 --> 01:01:56,652
That's not uncommon in classical music and in jazz-

1432
01:01:56,672 --> 01:01:56,792
Yeah

1433
01:01:56,852 --> 01:02:00,312
... but is uncommon in modern popular rock music.

1434
01:02:00,352 --> 01:02:00,532
Right.

1435
01:02:00,712 --> 01:02:02,022
And that's

1436
01:02:03,032 --> 01:02:04,212
the basic version of this.

1437
01:02:04,232 --> 01:02:05,462
They're about to get even more like

1438
01:02:09,032 --> 01:02:09,752
all of this stuff.

1439
01:02:09,792 --> 01:02:09,802
Yeah.

1440
01:02:09,802 --> 01:02:12,032
And this is again, where sort of the Schumann comes out.

1441
01:02:12,072 --> 01:02:12,082
Right.

1442
01:02:12,092 --> 01:02:13,392
The Schumann situation.

1443
01:02:14,472 --> 01:02:15,061
With all the root movements.

1444
01:02:15,061 --> 01:02:16,892
All the inversions, all the root movements.

1445
01:02:16,912 --> 01:02:21,312
That

1446
01:02:21,372 --> 01:02:22,852
kind of like Paul McCartney-ish thing.

1447
01:02:24,552 --> 01:02:26,452
But it's more sophisticated than any of that.

1448
01:02:26,492 --> 01:02:26,892
And then that

1449
01:02:29,172 --> 01:02:30,972
which happens over these chords, Peter, this

1450
01:02:34,212 --> 01:02:34,382
Mm.

1451
01:02:37,232 --> 01:02:38,312
Woo. Yeah.

1452
01:02:39,772 --> 01:02:40,732
Sorry, that should've been F sharp there.

1453
01:02:42,772 --> 01:02:43,172
There it is.

1454
01:02:44,092 --> 01:02:44,332
Mm.

1455
01:02:46,032 --> 01:02:46,152
Yeah.

1456
01:02:46,332 --> 01:02:47,312
It's just gorgeous, man.

1457
01:02:47,392 --> 01:02:50,122
The whole thing, the orchestration, the harmony is so, so pretty.

1458
01:02:50,432 --> 01:02:51,812
Okay, I'm going to throw something out there real quick.

1459
01:02:51,832 --> 01:02:52,152
Okay, sure.

1460
01:02:52,632 --> 01:02:52,832
Because-

1461
01:02:52,932 --> 01:02:53,032
Yeah

1462
01:02:53,272 --> 01:02:54,112
... and then I want you to get back to this.

1463
01:02:54,732 --> 01:02:57,492
I'm about to make a sweeping generalization.

1464
01:02:57,712 --> 01:02:57,792
Yeah.

1465
01:02:57,852 --> 01:03:01,192
But I think that European rock, pop,

1466
01:03:01,892 --> 01:03:05,872
R&B, any kind of musicians that's doing something in the sort of popular

1467
01:03:05,992 --> 01:03:09,852
sphere, do a better job of connecting with

1468
01:03:10,752 --> 01:03:12,932
the sort of indigenous culture there.

1469
01:03:13,012 --> 01:03:13,102
Like,

1470
01:03:13,932 --> 01:03:16,812
we're hearing things in like Old English-

1471
01:03:17,422 --> 01:03:20,342
... classical music, but even before that, that they've connected with-

1472
01:03:20,372 --> 01:03:21,092
In their DNA.

1473
01:03:21,432 --> 01:03:23,692
Right. Now, there's definitely Black American music influences.

1474
01:03:23,712 --> 01:03:24,672
For sure, 100%.

1475
01:03:24,752 --> 01:03:25,272
You hear that.

1476
01:03:25,352 --> 01:03:26,812
There's Miles Davis, there's Charles Mingus-

1477
01:03:26,902 --> 01:03:28,072
... there's Alice Coltrane.

1478
01:03:28,172 --> 01:03:31,692
But in America, like we've, not all the time, I mean, you can find brilliant

1479
01:03:31,712 --> 01:03:34,152
examples of this in bluegrass and fiddle music and stuff.

1480
01:03:34,462 --> 01:03:36,412
But in general, we've gotten totally...

1481
01:03:37,482 --> 01:03:41,432
We're the beneficiaries of Black American

1482
01:03:41,492 --> 01:03:45,432
music and this culture that's affected pretty much everything great,

1483
01:03:45,472 --> 01:03:45,961
in my opinion-

1484
01:03:45,992 --> 01:03:46,021
Yeah

1485
01:03:46,132 --> 01:03:49,301
... that's come out of it. But like, otherwise, we got disconnected from all that

1486
01:03:49,352 --> 01:03:52,782
stuff. All these people that are like, "We're going to play white music," but

1487
01:03:52,812 --> 01:03:56,672
they're not going back to the great stuff from Europe or

1488
01:03:56,692 --> 01:03:57,772
whatever. They think that they are.

1489
01:03:57,892 --> 01:03:58,032
No.

1490
01:03:58,092 --> 01:03:59,832
And so it got disconnected from that.

1491
01:04:00,252 --> 01:04:04,172
And this is kind of like, it's stunning to kind of hear that connection with

1492
01:04:04,212 --> 01:04:05,752
the popular thing on top of it.

1493
01:04:05,812 --> 01:04:07,292
I kind of wonder if they would even hear that.

1494
01:04:07,572 --> 01:04:07,702
I know. No.

1495
01:04:07,712 --> 01:04:09,902
How English it feels to us. Because when I think about this-

1496
01:04:09,912 --> 01:04:11,332
Because they're not disconnected from it

1497
01:04:11,532 --> 01:04:12,942
... I think about English folk music.

1498
01:04:13,172 --> 01:04:13,292
Yeah.

1499
01:04:13,352 --> 01:04:15,581
But I also think about the choral tradition in England.

1500
01:04:15,652 --> 01:04:15,852
Yes.

1501
01:04:15,912 --> 01:04:17,922
Like we mentioned Benjamin Britten earlier, but there's-

1502
01:04:17,942 --> 01:04:18,032
Yeah

1503
01:04:18,042 --> 01:04:21,352
... literally scores of amazing English choral conductors-

1504
01:04:21,632 --> 01:04:21,932
Yeah

1505
01:04:21,942 --> 01:04:23,152
... choral composers, choral arrangers.

1506
01:04:23,461 --> 01:04:25,332
And then you throw in Walt Whitman and like-

1507
01:04:25,392 --> 01:04:25,452
Oh

1508
01:04:25,552 --> 01:04:27,732
... the poetry and the prose and how that's, you can hear it.

1509
01:04:28,512 --> 01:04:30,112
Man. Anyway.

1510
01:04:30,132 --> 01:04:31,392
So I wasn't off base with that?

1511
01:04:31,532 --> 01:04:31,912
No, you're-

1512
01:04:32,052 --> 01:04:32,232
Okay

1513
01:04:32,272 --> 01:04:33,972
... totally on base with that. I totally agree.

1514
01:04:34,012 --> 01:04:37,192
And I want to caveat that there's a lot of exceptions to that, of course.

1515
01:04:37,252 --> 01:04:37,262
Yeah, of course.

1516
01:04:37,262 --> 01:04:38,212
But this is what we're looking at.

1517
01:04:38,312 --> 01:04:42,072
But this is why this sort of blending of, like you said, Black American

1518
01:04:42,132 --> 01:04:45,812
music with this sort of island in the middle of off the west coast of

1519
01:04:45,872 --> 01:04:46,172
Europe.

1520
01:04:46,372 --> 01:04:46,772
Yeah.

1521
01:04:47,052 --> 01:04:50,792
This is where Led Zeppelin kind of has their own thing because there's this weird

1522
01:04:50,801 --> 01:04:52,152
"Lord of the Rings" vibe-

1523
01:04:52,292 --> 01:04:52,472
Right

1524
01:04:52,552 --> 01:04:53,792
... to the blues all of a sudden.

1525
01:04:53,822 --> 01:04:56,752
And you're like, "What is going on?" But it kind of works. It's kind of awesome.

1526
01:04:57,412 --> 01:04:58,172
Okay, after that-

1527
01:04:58,212 --> 01:04:58,912
Koto King.

1528
01:04:59,812 --> 01:05:01,292
My apex moment is also in here.

1529
01:05:01,392 --> 01:05:03,762
But I think it's later than yours, but the next track is-

1530
01:05:03,972 --> 01:05:06,402
Oh, you're talking about the... Okay, well, good. We'll circle back.

1531
01:05:06,552 --> 01:05:08,532
Freaking unbelievable, my man. In Limbo.

1532
01:05:08,772 --> 01:05:09,832
Nice. Oh.

1533
01:05:11,532 --> 01:05:12,112
Turn it up.

1534
01:05:18,632 --> 01:05:19,152
Woo.

1535
01:05:19,212 --> 01:05:20,612
And this is such great placement on that.

1536
01:05:20,772 --> 01:05:23,872
We're right in the middle of the album, right? Like just the second half.

1537
01:05:23,992 --> 01:05:25,092
It is. It like splits the album.

1538
01:05:25,132 --> 01:05:25,752
Yeah. Yeah,

1539
01:05:29,372 --> 01:05:31,912
seven out of 11.

1540
01:05:32,472 --> 01:05:34,052
The triplets against the 16th.

1541
01:05:34,172 --> 01:05:34,392
Yeah.

1542
01:05:37,172 --> 01:05:37,872
Second.

1543
01:05:38,872 --> 01:05:41,272
Which doesn't really reveal itself at first.

1544
01:05:42,672 --> 01:05:43,892
Those changes there, right?

1545
01:05:44,072 --> 01:05:44,312
Right.

1546
01:05:45,472 --> 01:05:45,812
Woo.

1547
01:05:47,352 --> 01:05:48,452
Woo. That's haunting.

1548
01:05:49,552 --> 01:05:53,252
Know this, you have me.

1549
01:05:55,012 --> 01:05:57,051
Trapped doors that

1550
01:05:57,172 --> 01:06:00,812
open. I

1551
01:06:00,932 --> 01:06:03,711
spiral down.

1552
01:06:03,912 --> 01:06:05,212
Ugh. I want to live here-

1553
01:06:05,362 --> 01:06:05,952
... for a year.

1554
01:06:06,012 --> 01:06:06,392
Oh, yeah.

1555
01:06:08,992 --> 01:06:10,282
The sound of the guitar, too, is-

1556
01:06:10,282 --> 01:06:10,472
Yeah

1557
01:06:10,512 --> 01:06:10,872
... amazing.

1558
01:06:10,932 --> 01:06:13,372
The guitar and drums on this is like the most,

1559
01:06:17,172 --> 01:06:19,592
I don't want to say organic, but like,

1560
01:06:20,472 --> 01:06:21,812
okay computer kind of sound.

1561
01:06:21,822 --> 01:06:22,052
Yeah, for sure.

1562
01:06:22,072 --> 01:06:22,652
You know?

1563
01:06:22,692 --> 01:06:24,812
Look at you, talking like an expert already.

1564
01:06:24,912 --> 01:06:25,782
Three hours ago, I-

1565
01:06:25,812 --> 01:06:27,132
Like an okay computer sounds-

1566
01:06:27,162 --> 01:06:27,282
... didn't know the difference between-

1567
01:06:27,282 --> 01:06:28,191
... dreamy sky

1568
01:06:28,212 --> 01:06:31,752
... R.E.M. and Radiohead. Now I'm splitting them.

1569
01:06:36,292 --> 01:06:37,092
You want to go to Coachella?

1570
01:06:37,512 --> 01:06:38,852
Yes. It was last week.

1571
01:06:39,432 --> 01:06:40,071
I do want to go.

1572
01:06:42,072 --> 01:06:43,572
I lost it.

1573
01:06:43,632 --> 01:06:44,292
Great melody here.

1574
01:06:44,302 --> 01:06:46,072
They're not playing this at Coachella, just to warn you.

1575
01:06:47,472 --> 01:06:50,631
Don't bother hurting

1576
01:06:50,752 --> 01:06:54,092
me. I've lost

1577
01:06:54,192 --> 01:06:55,691
my way.

1578
01:06:55,732 --> 01:06:59,571
There's a couple of good ideas fully developed and committed to for the whole...

1579
01:07:01,672 --> 01:07:01,682
I've lost my way.

1580
01:07:02,172 --> 01:07:03,152
That rhythmic thing is...

1581
01:07:06,592 --> 01:07:06,972
Woo.

1582
01:07:08,312 --> 01:07:11,052
You live in your fantasy.

1583
01:07:13,052 --> 01:07:14,892
You live in

1584
01:07:16,412 --> 01:07:16,672
your

1585
01:07:17,572 --> 01:07:18,672
fantasy.

1586
01:07:20,372 --> 01:07:21,352
Man, and this mix

1587
01:07:22,192 --> 01:07:23,052
on the headphones,

1588
01:07:24,032 --> 01:07:24,232
like-

1589
01:07:24,652 --> 01:07:24,742
Oh, it's great

1590
01:07:24,742 --> 01:07:27,092
... the drums are so present, but they're kind of in the back.

1591
01:07:27,152 --> 01:07:27,392
Yeah.

1592
01:07:27,532 --> 01:07:31,192
They're not as present as the vocals and the guitar. Oh, man, it's so great.

1593
01:07:36,092 --> 01:07:38,712
Have I become that guy? "Oh, you got to listen to it on the cans, man."

1594
01:07:38,812 --> 01:07:40,152
It's a great headphone listen.

1595
01:07:41,472 --> 01:07:43,652
I love this part here, the vocal thing that happens.

1596
01:07:46,142 --> 01:07:47,022
So much Thom.

1597
01:07:49,642 --> 01:07:52,082
It's like they just keep restarting Thoms.

1598
01:07:52,922 --> 01:07:52,932
Yeah.

1599
01:07:53,102 --> 01:07:53,782
It keeps rebooting.

1600
01:07:53,802 --> 01:07:54,582
Thom with an H.

1601
01:07:57,382 --> 01:07:58,262
Reboot Thom.

1602
01:07:59,662 --> 01:08:00,382
Okay, computer.

1603
01:08:03,882 --> 01:08:07,142
All right. I just got to talk about a couple things here.

1604
01:08:07,162 --> 01:08:10,962
So what's happening here? So first of all, we've got this six-beat

1605
01:08:11,022 --> 01:08:13,042
phrase of this sort of

1606
01:08:14,862 --> 01:08:16,862
that starts this track.

1607
01:08:18,302 --> 01:08:19,963
And again, this is all kind of in this

1608
01:08:21,022 --> 01:08:22,583
minor Dorian thing, right?

1609
01:08:24,882 --> 01:08:24,963
Yeah.

1610
01:08:24,982 --> 01:08:28,722
By the way, we're coming off of "Optimistic," which is in the key of D with that D

1611
01:08:28,782 --> 01:08:29,463
minor, D major.

1612
01:08:29,822 --> 01:08:29,922
Yeah.

1613
01:08:30,012 --> 01:08:32,882
So our ears are already tuned. That's the thing, the band keeps prepping you.

1614
01:08:32,942 --> 01:08:33,052
Yes.

1615
01:08:33,083 --> 01:08:35,342
They keep prepping you for about what's to happen.

1616
01:08:35,362 --> 01:08:37,322
And there's even prepping from earlier tracks-

1617
01:08:37,342 --> 01:08:37,722
For sure

1618
01:08:37,802 --> 01:08:38,632
... on these musical concepts.

1619
01:08:38,742 --> 01:08:41,543
And then they go from D minor to C minor.

1620
01:08:41,623 --> 01:08:45,362
Now, if you don't know anything about music theory, you're like, "That seems like

1621
01:08:45,382 --> 01:08:46,982
maybe D and C are close together."

1622
01:08:47,242 --> 01:08:47,522
Right.

1623
01:08:47,562 --> 01:08:50,322
But for two minor keys, it's very jarring.

1624
01:08:53,522 --> 01:08:55,432
Then they head back to that sort of-

1625
01:08:55,812 --> 01:08:56,663
They're not closely related

1626
01:08:56,702 --> 01:08:58,602
... E minor. They're not closely related.

1627
01:08:58,642 --> 01:09:00,812
And the way they pull it off. So this here

1628
01:09:03,302 --> 01:09:07,083
is like this C minor, G

1629
01:09:07,142 --> 01:09:10,482
minor over B flat, E flat major, and this sort of

1630
01:09:12,702 --> 01:09:14,682
E minor with the minor 6 in there-

1631
01:09:14,762 --> 01:09:14,772
Yeah

1632
01:09:14,772 --> 01:09:17,522
... with that C natural in there. And then the melody over that, the

1633
01:09:23,802 --> 01:09:26,623
It's just so haunting. Like you said, haunting.

1634
01:09:26,663 --> 01:09:28,322
And I think that really captures it.

1635
01:09:28,342 --> 01:09:29,163
And then, but every time-

1636
01:09:29,182 --> 01:09:29,782
It's foreboding, too

1637
01:09:29,822 --> 01:09:30,392
... Foreboding.

1638
01:09:30,452 --> 01:09:30,472
Oh, man.

1639
01:09:30,472 --> 01:09:32,293
And then they go back to that .

1640
01:09:34,463 --> 01:09:37,262
Every time they go back to that first section, you're just like, "Ah."

1641
01:09:37,322 --> 01:09:37,642
Yeah.

1642
01:09:37,702 --> 01:09:41,382
Just going to groove out on it. Man, it is a stroke of genius, this track.

1643
01:09:41,463 --> 01:09:41,762
Absolutely.

1644
01:09:41,772 --> 01:09:42,182
It really is.

1645
01:09:42,222 --> 01:09:45,602
Absolutely. This is, I think, I actually don't have it as my desert island track,

1646
01:09:45,963 --> 01:09:49,762
but I think it's... And I don't have it as my apex moment. Well, part of it is.

1647
01:09:49,802 --> 01:09:53,142
I'm giving that away. But I think it's somewhat of the, what do you call it?

1648
01:09:54,662 --> 01:09:57,822
It's like the apex of the album. It's the meat.

1649
01:09:58,062 --> 01:10:01,482
Not that there's any fall-off after this, but it kind of

1650
01:10:02,862 --> 01:10:06,722
starts to decay in a beautiful way from here

1651
01:10:06,822 --> 01:10:10,022
to the end of the album. And by decay, I mean it's the same thing, we talk about

1652
01:10:10,042 --> 01:10:13,502
melancholy, foreboding, angsty.

1653
01:10:13,642 --> 01:10:13,942
Yeah.

1654
01:10:13,982 --> 01:10:14,322
I mean-

1655
01:10:14,542 --> 01:10:18,002
Oh, yeah. For sure

1656
01:10:18,022 --> 01:10:21,302
... upheaval. All these kinds of feelings. There's beauty in that when you hit it.

1657
01:10:21,602 --> 01:10:24,462
That's what I get from this track. I'm not just like, "Oh, this is a dark album."

1658
01:10:24,522 --> 01:10:27,082
That's the most trivial way of looking at it.

1659
01:10:27,362 --> 01:10:31,282
But it's one thing to play something to make a record that's just beautiful from

1660
01:10:31,322 --> 01:10:34,362
beginning to end, but there's another thing to say, we're going to enter...

1661
01:10:34,642 --> 01:10:37,582
To me, this album is such a mood. It's such a vibe.

1662
01:10:37,642 --> 01:10:40,651
You're entering into something that's not as easy to make

1663
01:10:41,142 --> 01:10:42,942
incredible and beautiful, and they nailed it.

1664
01:10:44,102 --> 01:10:45,311
And then they go from that to this.

1665
01:10:45,332 --> 01:10:45,681
Newsflash.

1666
01:10:47,822 --> 01:10:48,482
"Idioteque."

1667
01:10:50,662 --> 01:10:51,622
I thought it was idiot tech.

1668
01:10:53,402 --> 01:10:54,022
Idioteque.

1669
01:11:00,062 --> 01:11:03,462
The textures.

1670
01:11:03,542 --> 01:11:03,802
Yeah.

1671
01:11:04,782 --> 01:11:06,802
Each chord is this different texture.

1672
01:11:09,382 --> 01:11:13,091
It's that combination of very analog synth sounds and just

1673
01:11:13,362 --> 01:11:15,561
very specific electronic

1674
01:11:19,482 --> 01:11:20,842
The drums on this are-

1675
01:11:20,871 --> 01:11:21,002
Yeah

1676
01:11:21,302 --> 01:11:23,402
... insane. This is a modular synth.

1677
01:11:23,442 --> 01:11:26,532
I think a modular synth, like the synth-

1678
01:11:26,562 --> 01:11:26,672
Oh, right

1679
01:11:26,672 --> 01:11:27,462
... with the wires coming out.

1680
01:11:27,602 --> 01:11:27,962
Oh, wow.

1681
01:11:28,062 --> 01:11:28,542
Peter, where you-

1682
01:11:28,702 --> 01:11:28,982
Yeah

1683
01:11:28,992 --> 01:11:30,102
... that Jonny Greenwood is working.

1684
01:11:30,942 --> 01:11:31,392
Man, this

1685
01:11:33,642 --> 01:11:42,522
Woo.

1686
01:11:42,722 --> 01:11:46,591
Who's in the

1687
01:11:46,682 --> 01:11:50,072
bunker? Who's in the bunker? Women and

1688
01:11:50,142 --> 01:11:51,392
children first

1689
01:11:51,722 --> 01:11:54,742
His voice on this is presented totally different than anything we've heard.

1690
01:11:55,442 --> 01:11:58,662
It's very direct, very clear, very unaffected.

1691
01:12:01,322 --> 01:12:03,541
Who's gonna survive? Who's gonna survive? Who's gonna survive?

1692
01:12:03,702 --> 01:12:06,281
Who's in the bunker? Who's in the bunker?

1693
01:12:06,802 --> 01:12:10,322
I haven't seen you in months. You haven't seen enough.

1694
01:12:10,412 --> 01:12:14,402
You haven't seen enough. Weapons in my head comes

1695
01:12:14,482 --> 01:12:17,622
off. Women and children first.

1696
01:12:17,902 --> 01:12:19,402
Children

1697
01:12:20,742 --> 01:12:24,122
first. Children. Still I love.

1698
01:12:24,242 --> 01:12:26,342
Everything all the time

1699
01:12:27,342 --> 01:12:28,322
So gorgeous, dude.

1700
01:12:29,442 --> 01:12:32,942
When I hear all of this, I hear

1701
01:12:32,982 --> 01:12:34,542
they did the work.

1702
01:12:34,942 --> 01:12:35,062
Yeah.

1703
01:12:35,282 --> 01:12:37,082
They went the hard route.

1704
01:12:37,262 --> 01:12:37,332
Yeah.

1705
01:12:37,472 --> 01:12:40,062
There's so much detail.

1706
01:12:40,182 --> 01:12:41,402
Ice age coming.

1707
01:12:41,632 --> 01:12:41,642
Oh, yeah.

1708
01:12:41,682 --> 01:12:44,942
Then they both sigh. Then they both sigh

1709
01:12:44,962 --> 01:12:46,202
All that stuff rattling around.

1710
01:12:46,302 --> 01:12:46,542
Yeah.

1711
01:12:47,022 --> 01:12:50,762
Ice age coming. Ice age coming. Throw

1712
01:12:50,882 --> 01:12:52,422
it in the fire

1713
01:12:52,522 --> 01:12:53,182
Ice age coming.

1714
01:12:53,742 --> 01:12:56,842
You and I are not experts in how to make electronic music like this at all.

1715
01:12:57,352 --> 01:12:58,092
But think about how much meat-

1716
01:12:58,092 --> 01:13:00,252
Don't count us out, sir. Just because we haven't done it doesn't mean we're not-

1717
01:13:00,322 --> 01:13:00,902
We could. We

1718
01:13:02,002 --> 01:13:02,462
easily could.

1719
01:13:02,502 --> 01:13:02,602
We could.

1720
01:13:02,642 --> 01:13:06,302
No, but think about how much meat there is for nerds like us, theory nerds or

1721
01:13:06,322 --> 01:13:06,932
people who know about-

1722
01:13:06,932 --> 01:13:09,742
... chords and stuff, and melodies, right? There's so much in there.

1723
01:13:09,762 --> 01:13:12,702
There's also stuff for people who are in it for the lyrics-

1724
01:13:12,842 --> 01:13:12,892
Yeah

1725
01:13:12,922 --> 01:13:16,742
... or for the art, or for the production, or for the songwrite-- It's all there,

1726
01:13:16,802 --> 01:13:16,882
man.

1727
01:13:16,942 --> 01:13:17,062
Yeah.

1728
01:13:17,382 --> 01:13:20,402
Take the money and run. Take the money and run.

1729
01:13:20,502 --> 01:13:22,032
Take the honey

1730
01:13:22,032 --> 01:13:25,132
The whole track is unbelievable. I got a couple of things I want to check out-

1731
01:13:25,302 --> 01:13:25,382
Ooh

1732
01:13:25,392 --> 01:13:28,942
... with this isolated because there's just so much going on on "Idioteque."

1733
01:13:30,142 --> 01:13:31,082
Here's the drums.

1734
01:13:32,822 --> 01:13:33,842
Obviously, the drums are the

1735
01:13:35,222 --> 01:13:35,962
meat of this.

1736
01:13:36,882 --> 01:13:39,362
But I want to fast-forward a little bit to the second verse.

1737
01:13:39,882 --> 01:13:41,222
That bass drum is so...

1738
01:13:43,102 --> 01:13:46,882
It's aggressive. This is the most aggressive bass drum we've got so far.

1739
01:13:48,562 --> 01:13:49,082
It's high, too.

1740
01:13:49,102 --> 01:13:50,702
Listen to all those little details going on, though.

1741
01:13:57,432 --> 01:13:57,812
It's like a G.

1742
01:13:58,012 --> 01:13:58,121
Yeah.

1743
01:14:00,532 --> 01:14:02,912
But that's pretty high for Basie, right? I feel like...

1744
01:14:05,812 --> 01:14:08,112
It's very cool. And then you mentioned-

1745
01:14:08,122 --> 01:14:08,752
Ben loves the flat five.

1746
01:14:09,172 --> 01:14:09,502
He loves the flat five.

1747
01:14:09,512 --> 01:14:10,352
I mean the flat six.

1748
01:14:10,392 --> 01:14:10,402
Flat six.

1749
01:14:10,832 --> 01:14:13,492
No boss working, no boss shepherd.

1750
01:14:13,872 --> 01:14:14,592
Take the money-

1751
01:14:14,632 --> 01:14:16,012
Ooh, I love they leave that on

1752
01:14:16,052 --> 01:14:19,242
Take the money and run. Take the money and run.

1753
01:14:19,252 --> 01:14:22,132
Wasting all my time.

1754
01:14:22,412 --> 01:14:23,662
Wasting all

1755
01:14:27,052 --> 01:14:30,422
my time.

1756
01:14:30,892 --> 01:14:31,192
Mm.

1757
01:14:31,242 --> 01:14:35,132
Wasting all

1758
01:14:35,152 --> 01:14:35,621
my time. Yeah

1759
01:14:35,621 --> 01:14:36,432
Mm. Simply beautiful.

1760
01:14:36,592 --> 01:14:36,621
Mm-hmm.

1761
01:14:36,621 --> 01:14:37,441
Simply beautiful. I mean-

1762
01:14:37,772 --> 01:14:38,062
What a beautiful pass

1763
01:14:38,062 --> 01:14:40,342
... we're really cooking now. And like you said, now we're in this

1764
01:14:41,232 --> 01:14:44,952
home stretch of everything. Right after this, another

1765
01:14:45,012 --> 01:14:46,072
masterpiece, "Morning Bell."

1766
01:14:48,832 --> 01:14:49,412
Five-four here.

1767
01:14:56,092 --> 01:14:56,372
Minor.

1768
01:14:56,572 --> 01:14:58,812
I wonder if Mark Guiliana ever heard this drum groove?

1769
01:14:59,172 --> 01:14:59,191
I

1770
01:15:00,051 --> 01:15:02,712
think he might have. Minor to major here. A minor to A major.

1771
01:15:03,592 --> 01:15:05,802
Again, that's more of that modal mixture that-

1772
01:15:05,872 --> 01:15:06,032
Yeah

1773
01:15:06,132 --> 01:15:09,392
... for people who don't know a lot of harmony, is very, very rare.

1774
01:15:09,452 --> 01:15:13,392
It's why it sounds so unique. It's only things that Stevie Wonder likes to

1775
01:15:13,452 --> 01:15:13,782
do-

1776
01:15:13,892 --> 01:15:13,952
Yeah

1777
01:15:13,962 --> 01:15:16,672
... other very high-level, Earth Wind & Fire-

1778
01:15:16,792 --> 01:15:17,432
Kel Kim

1779
01:15:18,372 --> 01:15:18,602
... Kel Kim.

1780
01:15:18,602 --> 01:15:20,102
Yeah. But they have a very unique approach to it-

1781
01:15:20,232 --> 01:15:20,322
They do

1782
01:15:20,322 --> 01:15:20,882
... because it's very

1783
01:15:22,312 --> 01:15:23,972
front and center

1784
01:15:24,912 --> 01:15:28,592
for the harmonic flow. And it's always connected with the

1785
01:15:28,632 --> 01:15:29,412
melodic content.

1786
01:15:32,032 --> 01:15:34,872
Release me. Release me.

1787
01:15:36,352 --> 01:15:39,352
You can keep the furniture.

1788
01:15:40,592 --> 01:15:43,252
Bump on the head.

1789
01:15:44,752 --> 01:15:48,192
Down the chimney.

1790
01:15:48,612 --> 01:15:49,222
Release me.

1791
01:15:49,222 --> 01:15:49,612
Ben,

1792
01:15:51,092 --> 01:15:54,852
this is a remarkably cohesive album, considering

1793
01:15:54,912 --> 01:15:57,372
how the production is very different on a lot of these tracks.

1794
01:15:57,432 --> 01:15:58,652
Yeah. This is dry.

1795
01:15:58,892 --> 01:16:01,672
Yeah. He's so wet at different places.

1796
01:16:01,712 --> 01:16:03,792
The vocals are presented differently.

1797
01:16:04,752 --> 01:16:06,531
But very honestly, I think on everything.

1798
01:16:07,972 --> 01:16:11,672
The drum's very different. The bass, we haven't heard the bass like this since like

1799
01:16:11,712 --> 01:16:14,032
the third track or early on.

1800
01:16:15,632 --> 01:16:16,892
Release me.

1801
01:16:17,632 --> 01:16:17,932
Nice.

1802
01:16:18,592 --> 01:16:21,292
Why'd you pack the car?

1803
01:16:21,972 --> 01:16:24,772
Skip ahead just a little bit because this is great. This part.

1804
01:16:24,962 --> 01:16:27,272
Got the kids there.

1805
01:16:27,532 --> 01:16:27,912
Woo.

1806
01:16:28,752 --> 01:16:31,712
Got the kids there.

1807
01:16:32,692 --> 01:16:34,122
So that part is-

1808
01:16:34,122 --> 01:16:35,792
"Got the kids where?" We don't know what he's saying.

1809
01:16:36,092 --> 01:16:37,932
That part is another music nerd's paradise.

1810
01:16:37,972 --> 01:16:40,672
This is the sort of John Williams chromatic mediant, right?

1811
01:16:40,732 --> 01:16:43,802
So you've heard this in "Indiana Jones," you've heard this in "Empire Strikes

1812
01:16:43,892 --> 01:16:44,152
Back."

1813
01:16:44,592 --> 01:16:46,252
I think I heard it when I was in Indianapolis as well.

1814
01:16:47,172 --> 01:16:47,772
Just in the city.

1815
01:16:48,032 --> 01:16:49,912
Just in the city of Indianapolis. There's the-

1816
01:16:50,032 --> 01:16:51,812
Got the kids and I.

1817
01:16:53,072 --> 01:16:53,752
Got the kids

1818
01:16:53,832 --> 01:16:57,642
... E minor to G sharp minor, so they're a third away. They're both minor chords.

1819
01:16:57,732 --> 01:17:01,512
Again, just very, very rare that any kind of thing that's close to popular

1820
01:17:01,552 --> 01:17:03,822
music would even get that deep into it.

1821
01:17:03,872 --> 01:17:07,392
Yeah, because it'd be scary. And then there's no connector chord or transition or

1822
01:17:07,412 --> 01:17:07,882
anything, or approach.

1823
01:17:07,892 --> 01:17:09,252
Yeah. Exactly right.

1824
01:17:09,312 --> 01:17:09,322
Yeah.

1825
01:17:09,332 --> 01:17:10,752
But that's how John Williams uses it, too.

1826
01:17:10,892 --> 01:17:11,052
Yes.

1827
01:17:11,312 --> 01:17:14,792
He'll use that in that way of just like, dun, dun, dun,

1828
01:17:15,312 --> 01:17:16,112
Bob DeBoo.

1829
01:17:16,152 --> 01:17:16,392
Right.

1830
01:17:16,412 --> 01:17:16,692
Where that-

1831
01:17:17,032 --> 01:17:18,852
You're just going somewhere, then you're coming back.

1832
01:17:19,012 --> 01:17:19,471
Exactly.

1833
01:17:20,352 --> 01:17:23,952
By the way, so the next album after this was an album called "Amnesiac." It came

1834
01:17:23,992 --> 01:17:27,531
out the very next year. All the songs on "Amnesiac" were from these same sessions.

1835
01:17:27,552 --> 01:17:29,752
They basically could have done a double album.

1836
01:17:29,952 --> 01:17:30,072
Yeah.

1837
01:17:30,082 --> 01:17:33,272
"Amnesiac" is also a banger. It is also a masterpiece.

1838
01:17:33,392 --> 01:17:34,941
If you like this, you will love that.

1839
01:17:35,192 --> 01:17:36,212
Which do you like better?

1840
01:17:36,692 --> 01:17:40,582
It depends on the day. But what's so cool about it is that on "Amnesiac," they

1841
01:17:40,692 --> 01:17:42,612
do another version of "Morning Bell."

1842
01:17:42,832 --> 01:17:43,172
Mm.

1843
01:17:46,952 --> 01:17:47,302
Half step?

1844
01:17:49,852 --> 01:17:51,012
Chromatic mediant. So-

1845
01:17:52,272 --> 01:17:53,172
Is that a half step higher?

1846
01:17:56,452 --> 01:17:57,532
Yeah, it's a little detuned, but-

1847
01:17:57,572 --> 01:17:57,932
Oh, okay.

1848
01:18:00,072 --> 01:18:02,162
But they lean into... I'm going to nerd out.

1849
01:18:02,352 --> 01:18:04,092
This is really the nerd-nook here.

1850
01:18:04,662 --> 01:18:08,052
Got the furniture. Bump on the head.

1851
01:18:08,212 --> 01:18:08,392
So-

1852
01:18:08,632 --> 01:18:11,172
That's incredible because they did like a bunch of tracks-

1853
01:18:11,352 --> 01:18:11,492
Yeah

1854
01:18:11,501 --> 01:18:12,381
... and they put this on both of them.

1855
01:18:12,472 --> 01:18:15,812
So did you hear the melody, or the root movement on that was da, dun,

1856
01:18:15,912 --> 01:18:19,532
da, dun. In the original, it's all just on this A pedal, right?

1857
01:18:19,552 --> 01:18:19,972
It's all just-

1858
01:18:20,512 --> 01:18:23,192
The morning bell

1859
01:18:23,472 --> 01:18:24,932
... A minor to A major seven.

1860
01:18:25,032 --> 01:18:25,872
Morning bell.

1861
01:18:26,092 --> 01:18:28,152
In this, the A major seven shape-

1862
01:18:28,392 --> 01:18:28,612
Yeah

1863
01:18:28,632 --> 01:18:29,312
... without the A-

1864
01:18:30,072 --> 01:18:30,192
Yeah

1865
01:18:30,202 --> 01:18:30,892
... is C sharp minor.

1866
01:18:31,272 --> 01:18:31,282
Right.

1867
01:18:31,282 --> 01:18:32,952
And that's what they did on the "Amnesiac" version.

1868
01:18:32,992 --> 01:18:36,552
The morning bell. The morning bell.

1869
01:18:36,572 --> 01:18:37,651
Oh, like a second inversion.

1870
01:18:37,752 --> 01:18:39,082
Which is like a... No, it's like-

1871
01:18:39,472 --> 01:18:39,522
Of the C sharp minor

1872
01:18:39,522 --> 01:18:41,012
... it's a chromatic mediant.

1873
01:18:41,272 --> 01:18:41,372
Oh.

1874
01:18:41,492 --> 01:18:42,972
No, the C sharp is in-

1875
01:18:43,692 --> 01:18:45,572
No, I'm saying, but up at the top, you got-

1876
01:18:45,952 --> 01:18:48,312
Oh, yeah. I'm doing this. Yeah. But check it out, Peter.

1877
01:18:48,422 --> 01:18:49,712
This is the same as that interlude.

1878
01:18:49,852 --> 01:18:49,972
Yeah.

1879
01:18:50,592 --> 01:18:52,112
Got the kids and I.

1880
01:18:52,292 --> 01:18:52,472
Yeah.

1881
01:18:52,532 --> 01:18:55,412
So it's really the same. They kind of changed the chord progression for the

1882
01:18:55,422 --> 01:18:57,102
"Amnesiac" version. It's

1883
01:18:58,012 --> 01:18:58,812
such a brilliant move.

1884
01:18:58,852 --> 01:19:02,152
It's so cool. I'd geek out so hard and like, "Who thought of that?"

1885
01:19:02,352 --> 01:19:02,392
Yeah.

1886
01:19:02,402 --> 01:19:04,762
"Why do they do that? I don't know. Do I love it?

1887
01:19:04,972 --> 01:19:07,092
Yes." "Do I fully understand why? No."

1888
01:19:07,232 --> 01:19:07,572
Sue me.

1889
01:19:09,072 --> 01:19:09,141
Yeah, and it's-

1890
01:19:09,141 --> 01:19:10,882
I'm excited. I don't know if you can tell, buddy. I'm buzzing.

1891
01:19:10,932 --> 01:19:13,772
No, but it's also like for folks that are like, "What C sharp minor?

1892
01:19:13,812 --> 01:19:15,912
I'm tune..." No, don't tune out. This is

1893
01:19:16,972 --> 01:19:19,082
about like, what is the feeling? And you guys,

1894
01:19:19,952 --> 01:19:23,032
when it gets to that part, it's like, what is that human feeling that we have-

1895
01:19:23,042 --> 01:19:26,882
... that harmony. It's never, I mean, we're isolating it, yes, but

1896
01:19:26,892 --> 01:19:29,772
that's one of the elements. And everybody's just like, "I'll never understand

1897
01:19:29,792 --> 01:19:31,472
music." Hey, melody, harmony-

1898
01:19:31,532 --> 01:19:31,832
Yeah

1899
01:19:31,842 --> 01:19:33,372
... and rhythm. And we've talked about all this today.

1900
01:19:33,412 --> 01:19:35,252
This was kind of a lot of, in terms of the

1901
01:19:36,332 --> 01:19:39,672
elements of it, like harmony is just, it's striking if you understand this.

1902
01:19:39,712 --> 01:19:43,272
But I hope people are accepting as striking as it is just to hear it, because

1903
01:19:43,292 --> 01:19:44,362
that's the most important level.

1904
01:19:44,392 --> 01:19:44,532
Yeah.

1905
01:19:44,972 --> 01:19:48,872
But when you go in and find it, you're like, "Oh my God, this is genius." But

1906
01:19:48,912 --> 01:19:51,412
that human feeling that it gives you is stunning.

1907
01:19:52,012 --> 01:19:54,712
So speaking of humanity, we're going from all this electronic stuff-

1908
01:19:54,752 --> 01:19:54,762
Yeah

1909
01:19:54,762 --> 01:19:58,172
... and they end the album with "Motion Picture Soundtrack."

1910
01:19:58,772 --> 01:19:58,882
That's a

1911
01:19:59,732 --> 01:20:00,552
good way to get on a movie.

1912
01:20:00,832 --> 01:20:02,182
With the very organic sounds.

1913
01:20:02,292 --> 01:20:02,452
Yeah.

1914
01:20:07,902 --> 01:20:10,322
Sounds like that sort of like foot pedal-

1915
01:20:10,482 --> 01:20:10,492
Clavie?

1916
01:20:10,492 --> 01:20:11,522
... pump organ.

1917
01:20:11,542 --> 01:20:12,442
Yeah. A pump organ, yeah.

1918
01:20:14,152 --> 01:20:15,782
Clavie, yeah. You can hear something clicking.

1919
01:20:15,842 --> 01:20:15,872
Yeah.

1920
01:20:15,872 --> 01:20:16,102
You know?

1921
01:20:31,642 --> 01:20:32,922
But they didn't play this on MTV.

1922
01:20:35,282 --> 01:20:36,942
Probably not. Probably not.

1923
01:20:41,122 --> 01:20:43,142
It's so beautiful, man. It's such a great ending.

1924
01:20:43,222 --> 01:20:44,842
Help me

1925
01:20:47,882 --> 01:20:50,862
get back to

1926
01:20:50,902 --> 01:20:53,062
you.

1927
01:20:53,202 --> 01:20:53,382
Mm.

1928
01:20:57,102 --> 01:20:57,522
It's such a

1929
01:20:58,502 --> 01:21:00,902
simple but epic feel to it.

1930
01:21:02,242 --> 01:21:03,762
How many times did Stevie do this to us?

1931
01:21:04,082 --> 01:21:04,552
Right. Right.

1932
01:21:04,562 --> 01:21:05,082
In the album.

1933
01:21:05,111 --> 01:21:05,302
At the end, too.

1934
01:21:05,422 --> 01:21:05,562
Yeah.

1935
01:21:05,662 --> 01:21:05,862
Yeah.

1936
01:21:07,002 --> 01:21:10,722
Where you're like, you're here, but you're actually, emotionally, you're very

1937
01:21:11,142 --> 01:21:11,522
lifted.

1938
01:21:11,562 --> 01:21:12,102
You're elevated.

1939
01:21:12,262 --> 01:21:12,382
Yeah.

1940
01:21:12,482 --> 01:21:12,622
Yeah.

1941
01:21:13,602 --> 01:21:14,942
It's simple.

1942
01:21:20,102 --> 01:21:23,022
Maybe.

1943
01:21:23,422 --> 01:21:23,432
Mm.

1944
01:21:23,442 --> 01:21:24,142
I think you're

1945
01:21:24,212 --> 01:21:27,722
crazy.

1946
01:21:29,462 --> 01:21:32,282
Maybe.

1947
01:21:34,522 --> 01:21:35,152
Let's bring some Dorothy Ashby to it.

1948
01:21:35,162 --> 01:21:36,782
Harmonium. That's what that is.

1949
01:21:37,342 --> 01:21:40,162
Little Dorothy Ashby?

1950
01:21:41,122 --> 01:21:41,982
Little Alice Coltrane?

1951
01:21:42,222 --> 01:21:44,002
Apparently, that was Jonny Greenwood on the harp.

1952
01:21:45,022 --> 01:21:46,822
Yeah, no. It's not actually Dorothy Ashby.

1953
01:21:47,122 --> 01:21:48,962
No, I know, but he can play harp, too?

1954
01:21:49,582 --> 01:21:49,722
Who?

1955
01:21:50,582 --> 01:21:51,232
Jonny Greenwood.

1956
01:21:51,232 --> 01:21:52,142
Oh, Jonny Greenwood. Oh, wow.

1957
01:21:52,182 --> 01:21:54,642
Playing the harmonium. I think that's the name of the keyboard instrument.

1958
01:21:54,792 --> 01:21:54,921
Damn. Yeah.

1959
01:21:55,962 --> 01:21:59,262
Maybe.

1960
01:22:04,402 --> 01:22:07,582
Yeah, if you get it tuned at the right place, you can just keep doing that, I

1961
01:22:07,682 --> 01:22:09,382
guess. Not to oversimplify.

1962
01:22:10,962 --> 01:22:12,322
Shout out to all my harpist friends.

1963
01:22:13,362 --> 01:22:14,202
Crazy.

1964
01:22:14,242 --> 01:22:15,262
Choral.

1965
01:22:19,462 --> 01:22:23,262
Maybe. I think

1966
01:22:23,282 --> 01:22:26,342
you're crazy.

1967
01:22:27,702 --> 01:22:31,642
And I'm going to play right into the next track, because on the original CD,

1968
01:22:31,722 --> 01:22:33,182
which most of us got this on CD-

1969
01:22:33,262 --> 01:22:33,272
Yeah

1970
01:22:33,272 --> 01:22:33,742
... it was a

1971
01:22:35,302 --> 01:22:35,962
hidden track.

1972
01:22:35,992 --> 01:22:36,242
It was, right.

1973
01:22:36,582 --> 01:22:37,122
You remember those?

1974
01:22:37,302 --> 01:22:37,442
Yeah.

1975
01:22:38,102 --> 01:22:39,372
They wouldn't put it on the album.

1976
01:22:39,382 --> 01:22:40,482
It wouldn't be on there. But it was-

1977
01:22:40,522 --> 01:22:41,832
But it's a whole separate track

1978
01:22:42,082 --> 01:22:42,381
... still to go, right.

1979
01:22:42,442 --> 01:22:42,571
Yeah.

1980
01:22:42,762 --> 01:22:44,442
So you could fast-forward to it, yeah.

1981
01:22:45,242 --> 01:22:46,601
You could advance to it.

1982
01:22:50,522 --> 01:22:51,802
Is that a little half-diminished in there?

1983
01:22:52,862 --> 01:22:55,882
I think that was our first half-diminished.

1984
01:23:01,602 --> 01:23:04,102
I can't tell you how many planes I've been sitting on- ...

1985
01:23:04,862 --> 01:23:08,642
and this moment of the last track, I think this might be the most brilliant

1986
01:23:08,702 --> 01:23:11,442
way to end an album of the last 40 years.

1987
01:23:13,102 --> 01:23:15,962
Going from "Motion Picture Soundtrack" into this untitled track.

1988
01:23:20,282 --> 01:23:22,662
You're on a plane, you can't really hear much of what's going on here, especially

1989
01:23:22,702 --> 01:23:22,922
with

1990
01:23:23,942 --> 01:23:27,482
2000 technology, non-noise-canceling headphones.

1991
01:23:30,622 --> 01:23:30,631
Right.

1992
01:23:45,722 --> 01:23:49,672
And I feel like there might've been a little more space in the actual running

1993
01:23:49,762 --> 01:23:49,802
up.

1994
01:23:49,812 --> 01:23:50,952
Oh, it didn't go right to it?

1995
01:23:51,022 --> 01:23:52,832
I feel, I could be wrong about that, but-

1996
01:23:52,842 --> 01:23:52,882
Yeah

1997
01:23:52,902 --> 01:23:55,602
... someone put in the comments. Was there more space between "Motion Picture

1998
01:23:55,702 --> 01:23:56,732
Soundtrack" and the untitled,

1999
01:23:57,922 --> 01:23:58,192
hidden track?

2000
01:23:58,262 --> 01:24:00,612
I love that, because you used to be able to define, and I remember in mastering,

2001
01:24:00,682 --> 01:24:01,022
you'd be like-

2002
01:24:01,092 --> 01:24:02,902
... how many? Like two and a half or one.

2003
01:24:03,622 --> 01:24:06,872
Because it would kind of come out of nowhere, where you're almost half asleep by

2004
01:24:06,902 --> 01:24:07,082
the end-

2005
01:24:07,092 --> 01:24:09,742
... of "Motion Picture Soundtrack" and you're just like, "Whoa."

2006
01:24:09,822 --> 01:24:13,422
What a gutsy move to pull that out. First of all, to pull the harp out on the

2007
01:24:13,482 --> 01:24:15,262
last or the penultimate track to-

2008
01:24:15,272 --> 01:24:15,342
Bro

2009
01:24:15,382 --> 01:24:16,832
... pull out a new instrument?

2010
01:24:17,122 --> 01:24:17,482
No.

2011
01:24:17,522 --> 01:24:18,402
And the harp at that?

2012
01:24:18,722 --> 01:24:20,962
Peter, what do you got? Let's do some categories. Desert Island Tracks.

2013
01:24:21,041 --> 01:24:21,051
What do you got?

2014
01:24:21,051 --> 01:24:24,662
Okay. "Everything in Its Right Place" I think is an obvious choice.

2015
01:24:24,722 --> 01:24:24,731
Yeah,

2016
01:24:25,622 --> 01:24:26,262
it's a good one.

2017
01:24:26,302 --> 01:24:29,931
Can we just play the beginning? And before we play it, I'm sorry I messed up your

2018
01:24:30,362 --> 01:24:32,502
initial thing, because I didn't know we were going into it.

2019
01:24:32,512 --> 01:24:32,962
No, go ahead.

2020
01:24:32,982 --> 01:24:36,782
But I want to honor this as, I think, we should

2021
01:24:36,822 --> 01:24:39,312
do an Academy Awards. We're going to put on tuxes. You know what?

2022
01:24:39,322 --> 01:24:40,202
We're going to do that this year.

2023
01:24:40,262 --> 01:24:40,602
Award show?

2024
01:24:40,662 --> 01:24:42,062
We're going to do a little award show.

2025
01:24:42,102 --> 01:24:42,552
We should do a best of the pod.

2026
01:24:42,552 --> 01:24:44,522
Do you have a tuxedo? Because I have a Brooks Brothers tuxedo.

2027
01:24:44,562 --> 01:24:46,962
It's been a while since I've worn a tuxedo. You got a Brooks Brothers tuxedo?

2028
01:24:46,982 --> 01:24:48,062
I do, yeah.

2029
01:24:48,102 --> 01:24:48,462
Wow.

2030
01:24:48,662 --> 01:24:48,952
Custom.

2031
01:24:49,922 --> 01:24:51,932
But the thing is, I think this,

2032
01:24:53,242 --> 01:24:56,422
we've done some other albums. I think that this is one of the greatest starts to an

2033
01:24:56,462 --> 01:24:56,682
album.

2034
01:24:56,742 --> 01:24:57,982
Can we back up just a second about-

2035
01:24:58,082 --> 01:24:58,922
... the Brooks Brothers tuxedo?

2036
01:24:58,982 --> 01:24:59,032
Yeah.

2037
01:24:59,082 --> 01:25:00,302
You knew I was going to stop you on this, right?

2038
01:25:00,662 --> 01:25:00,982
Sorry.

2039
01:25:01,082 --> 01:25:03,142
That is a classic move, Peter. That's a great move.

2040
01:25:03,202 --> 01:25:05,442
Can I just say to the audience, if you're looking to buy a tuxedo, because think

2041
01:25:05,482 --> 01:25:07,142
about how many times are you going to wear a tuxedo?

2042
01:25:07,602 --> 01:25:10,642
Someone bought it for you. Someone smart bought that for you. You know why?

2043
01:25:11,162 --> 01:25:13,022
Brooks Brother, it's not trendy.

2044
01:25:13,032 --> 01:25:13,662
It's not trendy.

2045
01:25:13,702 --> 01:25:16,642
The cut is always going to be pretty conservatively-

2046
01:25:16,652 --> 01:25:16,712
Yeah. It's going to be old man

2047
01:25:16,712 --> 01:25:17,792
... straight down the mountain. And that's what-

2048
01:25:17,792 --> 01:25:18,752
But you're going to be an old man one day

2049
01:25:18,982 --> 01:25:20,272
Unless you're going to the Grammys-

2050
01:25:20,422 --> 01:25:20,592
Yeah

2051
01:25:20,592 --> 01:25:22,402
... and you want to really flash it up-

2052
01:25:22,562 --> 01:25:22,862
That's right

2053
01:25:22,882 --> 01:25:24,522
... for most events that you're wearing a tuxedo.

2054
01:25:24,542 --> 01:25:26,182
Peter, whoever told you that is a baller.

2055
01:25:26,342 --> 01:25:26,622
Thank you.

2056
01:25:26,702 --> 01:25:27,102
That's all I'm saying.

2057
01:25:28,702 --> 01:25:32,322
No, but I think that this is going to be up there if we go over greatest starts to

2058
01:25:32,402 --> 01:25:32,962
an album.

2059
01:25:33,902 --> 01:25:35,982
And I think this could win.

2060
01:25:37,622 --> 01:25:41,342
Pretend like you have... Go listen to this with headphones. Do yourself.

2061
01:25:41,422 --> 01:25:43,962
It is such a vibe. I tried it on four different kinds of headphones.

2062
01:25:44,022 --> 01:25:45,212
I'm not even an audiophile, my friend.

2063
01:25:45,262 --> 01:25:47,072
Do you know how many films have used this?

2064
01:25:47,102 --> 01:25:50,042
I mean, even we just saw, what's the one with Ryan Gosling that's out now?

2065
01:25:50,142 --> 01:25:50,242
The-

2066
01:25:50,612 --> 01:25:51,142
"La La Land"?

2067
01:25:51,402 --> 01:25:51,502
No.

2068
01:25:51,562 --> 01:25:52,162
Oh, that's the other guy.

2069
01:25:52,382 --> 01:25:53,482
No. "The Project Hail Mary"-

2070
01:25:53,962 --> 01:25:54,922
Oh, yeah

2071
01:25:54,932 --> 01:25:55,582
... uses this.

2072
01:25:55,782 --> 01:25:55,862
Yeah.

2073
01:25:57,792 --> 01:26:01,302
"Vanilla Sky" uses this. There's a ton of film and

2074
01:26:01,362 --> 01:26:02,342
television that have...

2075
01:26:05,622 --> 01:26:07,262
Sorry, I'm going to do it again, because you're right, now I'm ruining it.

2076
01:26:07,622 --> 01:26:07,832
Man, this is

2077
01:26:07,832 --> 01:26:20,132
so-Man,

2078
01:26:20,332 --> 01:26:24,312
the two different times and then the menacing but beautiful bass

2079
01:26:24,352 --> 01:26:27,732
drum, but also the foreboding and the foreshadowing.

2080
01:26:28,172 --> 01:26:29,752
I think it's a brilliant start.

2081
01:26:30,052 --> 01:26:33,212
I read in an interview when this album came out, I forget what magazine, it could

2082
01:26:33,232 --> 01:26:35,172
have been "Rolling Stone." It was probably on an airplane-

2083
01:26:35,332 --> 01:26:35,432
Yeah

2084
01:26:35,442 --> 01:26:37,222
... as I was flying back and forth from New York.

2085
01:26:37,232 --> 01:26:38,602
What, did you used to be a pilot or something?

2086
01:26:38,622 --> 01:26:42,342
No, man. We used to fly more. No, but Thom Yorke was interviewed

2087
01:26:42,472 --> 01:26:46,252
about this, and he's like, "We were driving around after the final

2088
01:26:46,272 --> 01:26:46,912
mixing of it-

2089
01:26:47,032 --> 01:26:47,112
Yeah

2090
01:26:47,131 --> 01:26:48,592
... listening to it in the car." Like you do.

2091
01:26:48,652 --> 01:26:49,212
Yeah.

2092
01:26:49,512 --> 01:26:51,932
If you don't know, when you're mixing and mastering stuff, you tend to go out to

2093
01:26:51,952 --> 01:26:53,382
the car, you go for a ride with it, you hear some sounds.

2094
01:26:53,382 --> 01:26:54,442
You got to get some fresh ears.

2095
01:26:54,712 --> 01:26:56,732
Hear how it sounds on the car speakers, which is important.

2096
01:26:57,232 --> 01:26:59,632
And he's like, "I was just sitting in the back seat, and then it came on.

2097
01:26:59,772 --> 01:27:03,452
I just started sobbing." And he's like, "That doesn't happen

2098
01:27:03,652 --> 01:27:04,032
every day."

2099
01:27:04,092 --> 01:27:04,382
Exactly.

2100
01:27:04,402 --> 01:27:06,892
Because it doesn't happen, especially when you're deep in it, working on the work.

2101
01:27:07,292 --> 01:27:10,132
But I think even he was probably like, "Holy smoke."

2102
01:27:10,192 --> 01:27:10,332
Yeah.

2103
01:27:10,352 --> 01:27:11,321
"What did we do with this?"

2104
01:27:11,352 --> 01:27:11,532
Yeah.

2105
01:27:11,672 --> 01:27:12,392
It's pretty special.

2106
01:27:12,472 --> 01:27:12,712
Yeah.

2107
01:27:12,772 --> 01:27:13,032
I agree.

2108
01:27:13,292 --> 01:27:15,312
Well, in a couple of minutes, you're going to hear us doing it. So, there you go.

2109
01:27:15,472 --> 01:27:18,991
My desert island tracks is actually the two, "Optimistic" and "In Limbo."

2110
01:27:19,052 --> 01:27:19,452
So, two.

2111
01:27:19,652 --> 01:27:22,792
The pairing of those. Well, no, they're one track in my mind, is what I was saying.

2112
01:27:23,132 --> 01:27:23,642
So, two tracks.

2113
01:27:23,712 --> 01:27:23,932
Okay.

2114
01:27:24,032 --> 01:27:27,592
Got it. Desert island track. Well, we do say desert island tracks. Apex moments.

2115
01:27:27,672 --> 01:27:28,512
Can you go to-

2116
01:27:28,732 --> 01:27:28,812
Yeah

2117
01:27:29,272 --> 01:27:32,892
... right before four minutes or right about four minutes or a little before on

2118
01:27:32,902 --> 01:27:33,872
"Optimistic," please?

2119
01:27:34,592 --> 01:27:36,292
Sure. So, four minutes or right before.

2120
01:27:36,472 --> 01:27:36,612
Yeah.

2121
01:27:36,952 --> 01:27:37,382
Let's see here.

2122
01:27:37,472 --> 01:27:38,052
Look at him. He's

2123
01:27:39,052 --> 01:27:39,492
cradling-

2124
01:27:41,972 --> 01:27:42,652
Oh, I know what this is.

2125
01:27:42,772 --> 01:27:44,812
I know what you're doing. But this is a good call.

2126
01:27:44,892 --> 01:27:45,092
Yeah.

2127
01:27:48,012 --> 01:27:48,192
Oh.

2128
01:27:49,332 --> 01:27:51,312
Because they haven't been on a groove like that yet.

2129
01:27:51,482 --> 01:27:54,062
Yeah. Well, and what happens after this, too.

2130
01:27:54,062 --> 01:27:57,352
Oh. This, and that's very rarely heard in this kind of music.

2131
01:27:57,792 --> 01:27:57,872
Yeah.

2132
01:27:58,032 --> 01:28:00,372
When I was listening to this and I first heard...

2133
01:28:00,512 --> 01:28:03,252
I'd never heard this track, and I was like, "Damn!"

2134
01:28:03,392 --> 01:28:03,632
Yeah.

2135
01:28:04,472 --> 01:28:05,712
The tempo shift.

2136
01:28:07,232 --> 01:28:09,702
But coming out of that groove that you then introduced to your four minutes.

2137
01:28:09,722 --> 01:28:09,972
And then

2138
01:28:11,392 --> 01:28:14,212
And this record-

2139
01:28:14,312 --> 01:28:15,692
The only fill on the album.

2140
01:28:16,492 --> 01:28:20,152
Yeah. This is not like a groovy feel, like feelgood kind of,

2141
01:28:20,652 --> 01:28:21,172
but man.

2142
01:28:22,312 --> 01:28:22,492
Oh.

2143
01:28:22,552 --> 01:28:22,992
Go on, Phil.

2144
01:28:23,172 --> 01:28:24,092
There's another Phil.

2145
01:28:26,172 --> 01:28:27,112
Is that Phil Collins?

2146
01:28:27,242 --> 01:28:27,852
Phil Selway.

2147
01:28:30,752 --> 01:28:32,592
But this is genius right here, what they do.

2148
01:28:35,112 --> 01:28:36,232
And it's already started, right?

2149
01:28:37,852 --> 01:28:38,632
Hold on, that's starting.

2150
01:28:44,592 --> 01:28:44,972
Go on, then.

2151
01:28:47,912 --> 01:28:48,412
What's going to happen?

2152
01:28:48,792 --> 01:28:48,912
What?

2153
01:28:49,152 --> 01:28:50,352
But the speeding up happened already.

2154
01:28:50,412 --> 01:28:51,752
I missed it because I was talking over it,

2155
01:28:53,462 --> 01:28:55,792
I think. But this, all the way to the transition to the next track.

2156
01:28:57,052 --> 01:28:59,882
It's funny. We rarely have the same apex moment. This would be mine as well.

2157
01:28:59,882 --> 01:29:00,322
From here to the next.

2158
01:29:00,332 --> 01:29:01,372
From here to the next track.

2159
01:29:01,552 --> 01:29:01,562
Yeah.

2160
01:29:01,572 --> 01:29:01,742
That transition.

2161
01:29:01,742 --> 01:29:04,072
Can we listen just to the first, just up to the

2162
01:29:06,172 --> 01:29:06,492
Woo.

2163
01:29:07,092 --> 01:29:08,932
Not only this, but then when the triplets come in.

2164
01:29:08,992 --> 01:29:09,252
Yes.

2165
01:29:10,632 --> 01:29:11,152
Because we're just like

2166
01:29:11,312 --> 01:29:11,512
Yeah.

2167
01:29:11,732 --> 01:29:12,312
We still have the

2168
01:29:12,812 --> 01:29:16,492
Man, so you've got like four different

2169
01:29:16,552 --> 01:29:18,072
grooves from that-

2170
01:29:18,212 --> 01:29:18,372
Woo

2171
01:29:18,592 --> 01:29:21,412
... that groove drop at four minutes on "Optimistic" up to here.

2172
01:29:21,582 --> 01:29:21,732
Yeah. Man.

2173
01:29:21,792 --> 01:29:23,292
Man, that's like... And you know what it is?

2174
01:29:23,352 --> 01:29:26,452
It's like you're at, remember they used to have the stage that turned?

2175
01:29:26,692 --> 01:29:26,752
Yeah.

2176
01:29:26,772 --> 01:29:29,862
But you're in the middle, and you're seeing this, and then you're like, "Damn." But

2177
01:29:29,862 --> 01:29:31,832
each one of the transitions just is dope.

2178
01:29:31,892 --> 01:29:32,682
For me, it's one of the-

2179
01:29:32,692 --> 01:29:33,632
So that's the same thing you had.

2180
01:29:33,712 --> 01:29:34,122
That's exactly-

2181
01:29:34,292 --> 01:29:34,712
Oh, that's awesome

2182
01:29:34,732 --> 01:29:35,072
... yeah.

2183
01:29:35,972 --> 01:29:39,272
For me, one of the great moments for me in music-

2184
01:29:39,392 --> 01:29:39,522
Yeah

2185
01:29:39,522 --> 01:29:41,152
... is that transition between those two tunes.

2186
01:29:41,172 --> 01:29:41,572
Fantastic.

2187
01:29:42,332 --> 01:29:43,062
Do you have any quibble bits?

2188
01:29:43,232 --> 01:29:46,112
I mean, dark, dystopian, but that's the point, right? It's not a quibble.

2189
01:29:46,122 --> 01:29:46,912
So I have zero quibble bits.

2190
01:29:46,952 --> 01:29:50,612
Yeah. Thermometer, what do you got? Oh, I see you.

2191
01:29:51,032 --> 01:29:52,492
Oh, damn. I did the same. Five.

2192
01:29:52,892 --> 01:29:53,052
Five.

2193
01:29:53,512 --> 01:29:57,252
But, I mean, I would have thought that going into this, I didn't really have a

2194
01:29:57,292 --> 01:29:59,392
reference point, but then I realized, I was like, "It's got to be a five."

2195
01:29:59,592 --> 01:29:59,992
Got to be a five.

2196
01:30:00,072 --> 01:30:00,192
Yep.

2197
01:30:00,552 --> 01:30:04,452
Accoutrements. The art on this is, I have 11 out of 10, because this is as

2198
01:30:04,492 --> 01:30:06,232
good as art gets for an album. I mean, really.

2199
01:30:06,592 --> 01:30:07,132
So what's the-

2200
01:30:07,332 --> 01:30:10,182
There's so much to it, Peter. There's books written about the art for this album.

2201
01:30:10,232 --> 01:30:11,412
So this is one to 11?

2202
01:30:11,812 --> 01:30:13,522
No, it's one to 10. That's how good it is.

2203
01:30:13,552 --> 01:30:14,092
This is by-

2204
01:30:14,312 --> 01:30:14,362
Okay

2205
01:30:14,392 --> 01:30:17,032
... Thom Yorke and Stanley Donwood, the cover art.

2206
01:30:17,052 --> 01:30:20,112
The cover is brilliant, but all of the other stuff to go along with it, paired with

2207
01:30:20,122 --> 01:30:23,912
"Amnesiac." They actually did a release about four years ago of, I think it's

2208
01:30:23,932 --> 01:30:27,072
called "Kid Amnesiac." "Kidnesia?"

2209
01:30:27,082 --> 01:30:28,282
"Kid Rock Amnesia?"

2210
01:30:28,282 --> 01:30:30,832
I forget what it's called, but it's like a combination of the whole thing, and they

2211
01:30:30,872 --> 01:30:32,331
did a whole showing of the art-

2212
01:30:32,712 --> 01:30:33,042
Yeah

2213
01:30:33,042 --> 01:30:35,412
... that they made, including the stuff that nobody had seen.

2214
01:30:35,432 --> 01:30:38,002
But there's books and books of art that they made for this stuff.

2215
01:30:38,032 --> 01:30:39,732
So if you include all that, it goes up to 11.

2216
01:30:39,792 --> 01:30:42,712
I mean, it's just mind-blowing how good the accoutrements are.

2217
01:30:42,772 --> 01:30:44,112
For every Radiohead album.

2218
01:30:44,512 --> 01:30:47,992
It's great. I give it a nine, just because I very rarely go 10, but.

2219
01:30:48,312 --> 01:30:49,072
Up next, what do you got?

2220
01:30:49,872 --> 01:30:51,612
I mean, it's 2000. I got "Voodoo."

2221
01:30:52,302 --> 01:30:52,312
So-

2222
01:30:52,352 --> 01:30:54,512
I got "Voodoo" coming right out of this, man.

2223
01:30:54,652 --> 01:30:57,832
It's so different, but it's so great, too.

2224
01:30:57,932 --> 01:30:58,882
You are not wrong, my friend.

2225
01:30:58,992 --> 01:30:59,002
Yeah.

2226
01:30:59,032 --> 01:31:02,552
So again, back it up. I'm 20. I'm moving to New York.

2227
01:31:02,632 --> 01:31:05,392
I'm walking around those streets of Manhattan. There are two discs.

2228
01:31:05,612 --> 01:31:07,712
I got the Manhattan Portage bag, you know what I'm saying?

2229
01:31:07,792 --> 01:31:08,192
Oh, yeah.

2230
01:31:08,212 --> 01:31:08,772
You know, the red?

2231
01:31:08,792 --> 01:31:09,082
Yeah.

2232
01:31:09,092 --> 01:31:09,482
And I got-

2233
01:31:09,492 --> 01:31:10,202
With the little badge on it. Yeah

2234
01:31:10,202 --> 01:31:12,782
... with the little badge on it. And I got my Discman in there.

2235
01:31:12,852 --> 01:31:14,582
There's not enough room for 10 CDs.

2236
01:31:14,672 --> 01:31:16,182
I probably got five CDs. You know what I got in there?

2237
01:31:16,492 --> 01:31:16,512
I

2238
01:31:18,132 --> 01:31:18,452
definitely have-

2239
01:31:18,462 --> 01:31:19,072
Thelonious Monk?

2240
01:31:19,452 --> 01:31:21,212
Well, I got some Monk in there. I've got some

2241
01:31:22,532 --> 01:31:23,412
Ahmad Jamal in there.

2242
01:31:23,432 --> 01:31:23,482
Oh, yeah.

2243
01:31:23,552 --> 01:31:24,012
100%.

2244
01:31:24,072 --> 01:31:25,912
I got some Brad Mehldau in there. I might even have a little-

2245
01:31:25,922 --> 01:31:27,392
... Josh Redman "Spirit of the Moment" in there, Peter.

2246
01:31:27,552 --> 01:31:29,822
I definitely did. But I also always

2247
01:31:31,032 --> 01:31:33,072
had "Kid A" and "Voodoo."

2248
01:31:33,292 --> 01:31:35,892
So what he means is he had two CDs in there, and those were the two.

2249
01:31:35,992 --> 01:31:38,882
I mean, they were always in there. Because I was always going between those two.

2250
01:31:38,912 --> 01:31:38,922
Yeah.

2251
01:31:38,922 --> 01:31:39,482
I actually consider them-

2252
01:31:39,492 --> 01:31:41,992
Can you imagine walking around New York in 2000 with those two-

2253
01:31:42,072 --> 01:31:42,352
Bro

2254
01:31:42,372 --> 01:31:44,622
... on a Discman? That's my happy place, man.

2255
01:31:44,622 --> 01:31:45,192
There's nothing better.

2256
01:31:45,372 --> 01:31:45,472
Nothing.

2257
01:31:45,492 --> 01:31:49,162
And by the way, sometimes the jazz would get swapped out for some Pharoah

2258
01:31:49,352 --> 01:31:50,952
Sanders or maybe some Velvet Underground.

2259
01:31:51,132 --> 01:31:52,852
We're walking around, we're listening to interesting stuff.

2260
01:31:52,872 --> 01:31:56,852
But dude, these two albums coming out in the same year, around the same

2261
01:31:56,952 --> 01:31:57,232
time.

2262
01:31:57,512 --> 01:31:57,672
Yeah.

2263
01:31:58,472 --> 01:32:01,031
Two things that both of them, I'd never heard anything like.

2264
01:32:01,132 --> 01:32:01,142
Yeah.

2265
01:32:01,152 --> 01:32:02,592
We'd never heard anything like "Voodoo," right?

2266
01:32:02,652 --> 01:32:05,512
We never heard a groove like that. I've never heard a bass sound like that.

2267
01:32:05,612 --> 01:32:05,722
Yeah.

2268
01:32:05,722 --> 01:32:07,922
I'd never heard someone sing like that.

2269
01:32:08,012 --> 01:32:10,932
I'd never heard synths played in this way on this album.

2270
01:32:10,972 --> 01:32:14,012
I'd never heard sort of melancholy captured so perfectly.

2271
01:32:14,492 --> 01:32:17,082
It was just incredible to walk around-

2272
01:32:17,172 --> 01:32:18,012
... with that music in your bag.

2273
01:32:18,092 --> 01:32:19,452
You'd be good on both those.

2274
01:32:20,032 --> 01:32:20,512
Yeah.

2275
01:32:20,552 --> 01:32:21,512
What do you have up next?

2276
01:32:21,782 --> 01:32:22,672
"Amnesiac." So the-

2277
01:32:22,692 --> 01:32:23,752
Okay. You want to stay in the vibe.

2278
01:32:23,772 --> 01:32:23,872
Yeah.

2279
01:32:23,922 --> 01:32:24,492
Got you.

2280
01:32:24,652 --> 01:32:25,232
Also, I just want-

2281
01:32:25,272 --> 01:32:25,341
Not wrong with that

2282
01:32:25,341 --> 01:32:27,872
... I really want people, if you like this, go listen to "Amnesiac." It's great.

2283
01:32:28,252 --> 01:32:29,012
Oh, we didn't do-

2284
01:32:29,232 --> 01:32:30,492
Is it better? What is it better than?

2285
01:32:30,792 --> 01:32:31,532
Oh. Is it better?

2286
01:32:34,032 --> 01:32:35,992
Because usually we do, is it better than "Kind of Blue"?

2287
01:32:36,112 --> 01:32:37,052
I feel like that'd be a little weird.

2288
01:32:37,132 --> 01:32:39,552
Sometimes we do, is it better than "Innervisions"? We could do that, maybe.

2289
01:32:39,812 --> 01:32:40,132
No.

2290
01:32:40,332 --> 01:32:42,572
Well, should we do, is it better than "Voodoo"?

2291
01:32:44,492 --> 01:32:45,772
I'm going to say no.

2292
01:32:45,832 --> 01:32:46,392
I'm going to say equal.

2293
01:32:46,832 --> 01:32:47,922
Again, because of this time.

2294
01:32:47,972 --> 01:32:49,562
Okay, so equal we can say. Okay, got it.

2295
01:32:49,652 --> 01:32:50,272
I'm going to say even.

2296
01:32:50,412 --> 01:32:51,122
Okay. Got you.

2297
01:32:51,152 --> 01:32:52,312
Peter, buddy.

2298
01:32:52,692 --> 01:32:54,812
But wait, we didn't do this. Oh, no, we did that.

2299
01:32:55,512 --> 01:32:55,932
I think we're good.

2300
01:32:56,232 --> 01:32:59,442
We got everything? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.

2301
01:32:59,552 --> 01:33:02,032
Don't we have eight categories?

2302
01:33:02,092 --> 01:33:03,431
This is what we got now.

2303
01:33:03,952 --> 01:33:07,552
I love this. We're talking about this album, Kid A.

2304
01:33:07,612 --> 01:33:10,372
It's like, if you get to the end, what a great ending. What a crap ending.

2305
01:33:10,632 --> 01:33:11,572
Do we have eight categories?

2306
01:33:11,692 --> 01:33:11,882
I don't know.

2307
01:33:11,882 --> 01:33:12,572
I thought it was seven.

2308
01:33:13,652 --> 01:33:15,422
Put it in the comments, how many categories we have.

2309
01:33:16,312 --> 01:33:17,772
We got cut off, man.

2310
01:33:17,832 --> 01:33:19,462
Man, thank you for going on this journey. What do you think?

2311
01:33:19,652 --> 01:33:20,092
Dead Air.

2312
01:33:20,112 --> 01:33:20,212
You're a fan.

2313
01:33:20,272 --> 01:33:24,212
I love this record, man. I'm a fan. Man, I'm about to go order

2314
01:33:24,232 --> 01:33:24,792
this on CD.

2315
01:33:25,192 --> 01:33:27,712
I love this, because it's not like you didn't like this album, it just wasn't-

2316
01:33:27,732 --> 01:33:28,302
I didn't know this album

2317
01:33:28,302 --> 01:33:29,302
... something that you would have been exposed to.

2318
01:33:29,312 --> 01:33:31,932
I didn't know. The thing is, all this kind of stuff, if it wasn't playing on the

2319
01:33:31,972 --> 01:33:34,772
radio or MTV or something, and I didn't have it, I didn't really hear it, man.

2320
01:33:34,832 --> 01:33:36,112
Yeah. This was very satisfying.

2321
01:33:36,132 --> 01:33:38,432
Thank you, man. This was great to experience it with you.

2322
01:33:38,552 --> 01:33:38,692
Thank you.

2323
01:33:38,731 --> 01:33:39,412
And our dear listeners.

2324
01:33:39,472 --> 01:33:42,772
Yeah. And dear listeners, let us know what other albums in this vein you'd like us

2325
01:33:42,812 --> 01:33:44,322
to cover, because we do

2326
01:33:45,212 --> 01:33:45,992
like this stuff, too.

2327
01:33:46,032 --> 01:33:46,212
Yeah.

2328
01:33:46,472 --> 01:33:46,742
We're not just-

2329
01:33:46,772 --> 01:33:46,932
Yeah.

2330
01:33:47,612 --> 01:33:48,732
It's not just 1972 around here.

2331
01:33:48,772 --> 01:33:49,772
Well, fine. Okay, computer.

2332
01:33:50,352 --> 01:33:50,952
Till next time.

2333
01:33:50,992 --> 01:33:51,472
You'll hear it.