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That's correct. So today we're going
to do a segments at the beginning,

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like we always do who's most likely? And so Desireel has written five things,

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and we are supposed to just what
just vote instinctively very fast? I

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think, So, who's most likely
to do these things? I think?

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Should we say names out loud?
Yes? Because what we used to do

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is we used to hold up the
paddles, paddles with pictures, but you

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know two thirds of our crowd can't
see paddles and pictures. Was just just

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say the first name that comes to
mind, Yeah, that's right, okay,

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Chris or Jeff, which we always
we always did the paddles and we

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said the names too. That's correct. So here we go. So who's

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most likely? I'll read the first
one, all right, Who's most likely

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to cut their own hair and think
it looks good? Chris or Jeff?

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Chris? Definitely Chris. Yes.
So I've never cut my own hair.

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I have not cut my whole I've
not cut my own hair in its entirety.

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Okay, but I feel as if
if I could sit down and attempt

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to cut somebody else's hair, I
could do it. So could I really

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do my own hair? You know? I think I could try? Okay,

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so you know my father was a
barber. Yes, that's why I

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said, And my mother cuts her
Oh wow, she has her own little

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beauty shop. There you go in
her house. Yeah. So you're going

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to just by nature be more skilled
genetically, you're predisposed to being better disposed.

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All right. You want to go
to the second who's most likely to

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spend hours in a YouTube conspiracy theory
hole? That's Jeff. I think it's

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me too, but I will but
I will go ahead and say Jeff.

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Yeah, so I believe it or
not? Uh. The reason why I

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said me instinctively, I'll say Jeff
because I think I think you're the information

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gatherer as I think that I can
actually believe some conspiracies. Buddy, you

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get sucked into him. I do, And in fact, did you hear

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I got I got involved in one
where people are just thinking I'm ridiculous.

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I'm like, I think there's some
merit to this, and and my my

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whole family is like, dude,
you are ridiculous. So I really I've

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been known. I've been known.
Yeah yeah, good for you, dude.

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Yeah. So one of my strengths
you know in the strengths Finder test,

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Yes, one of mine is ideation. So ideas capture my attention,

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and so I rarely get sucked into
a conspiracy theory. But I'm very curious

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about the ideas behind conspiracy theories.
Why do people believe this or why do

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people think that this is true?
Okay, right, And so I'll get

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sucked into one of those you know, conspiracy theory things, not believing any

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of it. But just watch you
know, five hours with a video or

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read a whole book on see On
the opposite, if I if I dive

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into conspiracy theory and I decide,
if I decide that I don't believe it,

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it turn it off. Oh yeah, I don't care why people think.

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Yeah, I want to. I
always want to figure out what's the

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cause or the root cause behind why. So ideation is a thing for me,

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the ideas of it is what's interesting
to me. All right, three?

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Okay, Yeah, who's most likely
to win a hot dog eating contest?

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I'm gonna say that's me. I'm
gonna say that to you too.

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I can put down hot dogs,
buddy. Yeah, I'm gonna say that

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you. Yep, all right,
go ahead. Who's most likely to be

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mistaken for celebrity? It's gonna be
Chris. I'm gonna say me, yes,

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I was. By the way,
you were a local celebrity, not

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a not a real celebrity, right, a local celebrity. So you know

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the guy on the radio what's his
name Jay? Oh yeah, I've heard

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people say that about you before.
I don't I don't know, but yeah,

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yeah, there's a radio guy that
you start like, yeah, well

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there's a radio guy that I look
like too. In fact, I just

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went to The Chosen last night with
my wife and I saw season four,

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episode seven and eight, and he
was on the imagine Imagine it's a local

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theater for us, yes, there. It was like a local commercial and

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they interviewed like local celebrities, and
he was on there. And Liz looks

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over and she goes, that's the
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That's crazy. His name is Jay
something. Yeah, I heard radio I

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think maybe is one of this.
And then number five, number five,

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who's most likely to walk by a
celebrity on the street? Oh that's me?

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Is that you? Oh yeah?
Oh you mean and not acknowledged,

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just just walk past them, not
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yeah, yeah, yeah, well
that's me. Yeah, that's probably you.

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Although I'll be honest, I've had
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you know, not acknowledged celebrities very
much. Did you recognize them when you

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didn't acknowledge them? Like, okay, Jason Momoa, you know Aquay.

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So he walked by us literally at
the airport, and as he walked by,

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I was like, hey, look, guys, Jason Mama, so

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I never see them. The only
celebrities I've ever seen in my life.

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Yeah. Somebody else pointed out,
hey, that's yeah. Yeah, and

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I'm standing right there. So I
sat next to a rock star. I

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got bumped up the first class on
the way home from from Saint Croix or

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from Dominican Republic. Yeah, I'm
sitting next to a rock star. He

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comes and he sits down. I
look at him just briefly, go I

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think I know that guy. He
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conversationalists. I'm like me, neither. I put my headphones on, never

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try to say another word. Didn't
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off the plane, said hey,
Tauld, you stay at rockstar guy.

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I sit next to her. He
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why, I said, I don't
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remember who it is. He goes, he didn't ask you. I said,

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no, why would I ask you? That's hilarious? Yes, yeah,

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so it's I've seen him face before. He's a guitar player for like

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a famous rock band. I just
couldn't remember who he is. Isn't that

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funny? And he said, sorry, mate, Yeah, yeah, yeah?

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So the uh uh? But I
would say ninety nine percent of the

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celebrities I've ever seen, somebody else
pointed them out to me. Oh that's

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hilarious, isn't it funny? I
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So I have real quick al squeeze
the story. And I have a good

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friend, Kevin, who lives in
Orlando, And he got on the plane

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and he sat first class and just
started a conversation with this girl next to

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him, and he kept on saying, I tell you this. He said.

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She was super pretty, like unbelievably
pretty, and he was talking to

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her. You know, of course, he's shy because he's he's a married

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pastor guy, so he's not gonna, you know, necessarily, like strike

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up a conversation with a really pretty
girl. But she kept on talking to

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him. So he was just you
know, talking pastorally to her and everything.

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So he brings up like spiritual things. They talk all about, like

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her faith and whether she believes,
and he said he talks to her on

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this plane ride to California, I
think it was. It was like a

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three to four hour trip. Right
the entire trip, he's talking to her

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like openly, and they're having this
incredible conversation. And then he says,

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oh, why are you going out
to California? And she's while I'm going

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out to film a movie. And
he goes, oh really, and she's

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like, yeah, it's starring and
she names these other stars and he goes,

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what I know those other stars.
She's like really, He's like wow.

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And then they get to talking a
little bit more and she says,

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wow, I was married to I'm
divorced. Because they're talking about her life

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and he says, oh really,
and was it a something like what was

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his name? And she's like,
well, it was Andrea Agassy and you

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know this famous tennis player. And
then all of a sudden, he stops

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and he goes, wait a minute. He goes, I feel like I

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should know you. He goes,
I'm so sorry. He goes, what

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is your name? They've talked for
four hours, and she goes, it's

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Brook It's Brookshield and he goes.
He goes, I am so sorry that

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I didn't recognize you. And she
goes, it's okay, it's all right.

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She goes, I really enjoy talking
to you at pastor Kevin, you

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know, he's like, okay,
bye and he leaves and anyway, but

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we all make fun of him,
right, like you talk from Bookshields for

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four hours. One of the prettiest
women of the face of the planet,

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by the way, most recognizable,
very recognizable friend, and you know,

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and it's so funny. That's funny, Like, how do you not recognize

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her? Right? That's me.
I just I don't recognize famous people.

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Yeah, that's really great. Like
I have a hard time recognizing you if

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I run into you outside the studio, right again. Yeah, well good

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looking guys. Yeah, you know, it's intimidating. Sometimes we blend into

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the background. Okay, Well today
we have had a couple of episodes recently

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where as we're going through the two
hundred and fifty events of Jesus and Jesus

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Life, we've had a couple of
times recently where there were just a few

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verses. Yeah, one of those
day. This is the least number of

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verses in any event we've read so
far. Is that true? It's four

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verses, because then we have one
just over four versus Chris. The last

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one was like six. Ok.
Yes, so this is four verses.

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But there's a lot in this,
so I'm looking forward to jumping into it.

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Are you ready? Yep? Here
goes Matthew, Chapter twenty eight,

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verse eleven through fifteen. It's five
verses. Oh, you can't count.

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I was wrong. I was doing
the math. Eleven plus four is fifteen,

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but I forgot you had to count. Eleven is a verse? Correct,

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it's five verses. Okay, still
five is less than six. As

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the women were on their way,
some of the guards went into the city

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and told the leading priests what had
happened. A meeting with the elders was

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called, and they decided to give
the soldiers a large bribe. They told

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the soldiers, you must say,
Jesus disciples came during the night while we

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were sleeping, and they stole his
body. If the governor hears about it,

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we'll stand up for you so you
won't get in trouble. So the

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guards accepted the bribe and said what
they were told to say, and their

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story spread widely among the Jews,
and they still tell it today. There

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you go, that's it. So
the guards accepted the bribe and said that

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they were told to say, and
they spread and their story is spread widely

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among the Jews, and they still
tell it today. That is a sentence,

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there isn't it. Yes, So
it's spread widely among the Jews.

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Now, keep in mind this is
written two thousand years ago. And what's

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so interesting is is that it's no
secret that if you were to visit,

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you know, Israel today, a
person who is Jewish in their faith widely

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reject and adamantly reject that Jesus was
the Messiah, right, right, So

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they believe in the Old Testament.
And and if somebody is Jewish in their

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faith, they would say, hey, where we live in the spot where

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the Old Testament ends, and we
just wait for we're still waiting for the

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Messiah. So and yet they believe
one hundred percent of the Old Testament,

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right. And so it's interesting how
this statement it describes the Jewish belief today,

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and yet it was written two thousand
years ago, it's correct for almost

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two thousand, well actually probably over
we're roughly around two thousand years ago.

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So it's amazing to me that they're
not denying the body was gone. And

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even today, even today, I've
never had a person say I don't believe

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the tomb wasn't empty. I've never
never had I've haven't had atheists say it.

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I haven't had people from other religions
say it, Muslim leaders, Jewish

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leaders, Buddhist leaders, Hindu leaders. I've never had another person say the

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tomb was not empty. I've only
ever heard either he was resurrected or somebody

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stole the body. So we're going
to take the idea off the table that

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the body was still there historically,
so this is outside of Christianity, and

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this is outside the claims of the
gospel. Historically, the Romans were concerned

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about the fact. And I'll explain
to you why in this a moment,

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the Romans were concerned about the fact
that the tomb was empty. These religious

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leaders, these Jewish reliegless leaders,
were also concerned about the fact that the

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tomb was empty. Mary and the
other Mary and Peter and John said the

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tomb was empty. So the Christians
are saying the tomb is empty. The

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Jewish leaders are saying the tomb is
empty. The secular leaders are saying the

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tomb is empty. We've got a
problem because the tomb is empty is the

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way that both the Romans and the
Jewish leaders saw it, which should be

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an indicator that we should lean into. Why is the toom empty? Right?

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Because if the tomb is empty because
Jesus was resurrected, well, then

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everything he said and did was true. One of your favorite preachers says,

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Hey, the guy who says I'm
going to rise from the dead in three

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days and then does it should listen
to him. That's right. If you

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can pull that off, you anybody
who predicts their own death resurrection pulls it

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off, have tendencies to believe that. Let's listen to that guy. So

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if that's true and and and he
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did we just have to lean into. It's absolute fact. It's the greatest

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single event in the human history.
Right, this has never happened before.

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I don't know if you heard.
Buddhists still in the grave, right,

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right, Mohammed's still in the grave, so's John Smith. That's right.

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John Smith's still in the grave,
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in this situation, then I would
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let's lean into and try to either
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we know that the Romans had a
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So so the religious leaders go,
hey, just here's some money.

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Just say that the disciples came and
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with the government will protect you.
The reason why that's such a big deal

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is if you lost if you allowed
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by the uh you know, the
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you lost what was sealed, then
as a Roman soldier, one of the

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things would be death. Yes,
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and the prisoner gets away, it's
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the Roman soldier. So this is
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listen, here's some money. Just
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and we've got some political clout,
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That's it. But then there's a
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reason why you need to get a
Life Application Study Bible. I always recommend

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the regular Life Application Study Bible instead
of the chronological Life Application Study Bible,

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and that's one we're using because it's
easier to navigate. But anyways, in

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there there's a note and it says
a document comprising twenty lines of Greek inscribed

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on a slab of white marble was
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the nineteenth century. The statement was
a decree of Caesar assigning the death penalty

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to anyone breaking the seal of a
tomb and stealing the body. The decree

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was issued by Claudius, he was
the Caesar at the time in about eighty

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fifty. Because Claudius had issued some
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it's believed that the Nazareth decree was
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Jesus Christ had risen from the dead. The rabbis of the time claimed that

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jesus disciples came and they stole his
body. Whatever his viewpoint on the matter,

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Claudius did not wish to encourage theories
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The Nazareth decree thus becomes a pointer
to the resurrection of Christ, which

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was at that time upsetting the Roman
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the spread of these disturbing ideas.
Is that fabulous? Yeah, so the

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caesar of the world, the emperor
of the known world, went, well,

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this is a problem. Right,
he's not saying, surely there's still

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a body there. So we have
the Roman government has record that they executed

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a guy that was called the King
of the Jews, right right. They

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have a centurion. This isn't some
ding dong, you know, private who

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just got enlisted. A centurion,
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He's an expert at what he does. He's been around death all along.

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Pierces the side of this guy.
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area, and then they take him
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The Romans have multiple documented accounts of
the fact that this guy's dead and

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was put in a tomb. Pilot
in a documented way permitted the body to

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be taken down by one of the
high It would be like a Supreme Court

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justice by two of the Supreme Court
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some breadmaker on the corner. These
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put him in a tomb. All
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And then finally, in fifty a
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this is a problem, So no
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do, you're gonna die. Right. So if for me this is one

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of the strongest evidences that the resurrection
happened, is not the claim of Peter

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and Mary. The greatest, some
of the greatest proofs to me that the

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resurrection actually happened is the cover up, and not only the cover up proclaimed

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in the Bible, but the cover
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we have to we have to stop
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tomb was empty, right right,
yeah, which, by the way,

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is uh, yeah, it really
eliminates any skeptic trying to prove that Jesus,

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you know, this is just religious
followers making up a story. Yeah,

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it takes the Romans we're concerned about
this, yes, right and uh

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and by the way, the guards
being bribed. It says, a large

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bribe, but it doesn't tell us
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everything was at stake for them,
so literally everything was at stake. The

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you know again, I told you
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all you know, a lot of
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was an argument at the temple.
We're at the place where season four ends

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and Jesus is about to march in
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anyway, but people are in the
temple and they're arguing. There's a pharisee

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there and they're arguing back and forth, and he says, he says,

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one guy challenges the pharisee. It
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the woman who is bleeding for twelve
years. They put her there. She's

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healed now and she's in the temple
and she says, the reason why you're

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you're saying these things against Jesus in
the temple right now is because you're afraid

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and he has authority over you.
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He has authority over you, and
that one day you'll be under his

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authority. And he gets mad and
he goes, you recant that statement right

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now, and she goes, why
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and so it's just like, I
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this argument that goes back and forth
and again it's just another one of these

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things. Even though it's a radical
hypothetical, it's another one of these things

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that reminds me that, you know, doesn't John say that that the books

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can't contain all the other things that
Jesus the world could not contain all the

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books the world cannot contain written all
the books Jesus that need to be written,

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which means that there are conversations.
There's some hyperbole in that statement,

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but the idea of being yes,
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there's things that were not recorded,
and surely people had these types of

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debates when it says they were arguing
the question is what's the dialogue? Right

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and so and so as they were, you know, supposing this dialogue,

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I was thinking to myself that that's
so true, like things like this would

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have happened because that was an outrageous
statement, Right, you're going to be

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under his authority? What this guy
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right, right, And I'm thinking, of course things like this were said,

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right because it wasn't necessarily said by
let's just say like Peter or you

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know things, you know, because
those conversations are recorded. But but of

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course the people arguing in the temple
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things, right, And so anyway, it just it was just great.

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You just to sort of sit there
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just wonderful. But anyway, what
else is in here? Is there anything

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else? I mean, I would
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at the historical proofs and the fact
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that the tomb is empty, I
would encourage our people to lean into some

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of the proofs that. There's a
really great book by Sean and Josh McDowell

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called The Unshakable Truth, and it
goes it's it's one of my favorite books

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for this. It's easy to read, it's not hard, but it deals

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with how can you trust that the
Bible is true? All these things?

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But there's an entire segment in that
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For instance, of course, Lee
Strobel wrote a whole bunch of books that

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he was an investigative reporter before he
became a Christian, and he became a

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Christian because he was investigating the resurrection. So he wrote a couple books.

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He wrote a book called The Case
for Christ, which is really great.

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He interviews all these experts from around
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Case for the Real Jesus, the
Case for a Creator. You can go

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on down the line, but both
Josh and Sean McDowell, Josh and Sean

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McDowell and Lee Strobel would be too
that if you want to lean into the

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proofs of the resurrection from outside of
just Creator, from outside the Christian world,

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those two guys that be worth their
three guys to be worth looking at

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what they have to say. Great, I agree, and I've read several

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of the books that you just mentioned
and they're phenomenal and they hold up.

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They're old, but they still hold
up today. Yeah, this turns out,

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so's the resurrections like two thousand years
old. So it's okay if you're

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reading old book. That's so funny. All right, Well, hey,

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that's our time, so we will
see you next time on the Bible guys,