1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,440 Michelle Clare: I am literally just catapulted 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:03,610 out of my body. 3 00:00:04,019 --> 00:00:06,970 And I am turned around standing with three 4 00:00:06,970 --> 00:00:08,439 people that I didn't know. 5 00:00:08,490 --> 00:00:11,279 I'm standing with an Asian man, an Egyptian 6 00:00:11,279 --> 00:00:12,860 woman, and a Hawaiian man. 7 00:00:13,230 --> 00:00:17,200 And I am facing my body in the ladder suspended in the air. 8 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,634 And once again, I'm in this. 9 00:00:19,815 --> 00:00:21,755 Blissful, timeless space. 10 00:00:21,755 --> 00:00:24,204 I'm feeling all of this unconditional love. 11 00:00:24,825 --> 00:00:27,005 And they said to me, what do you want to do, Michelle? 12 00:00:27,025 --> 00:00:28,974 Do you want to stay or do you want to go? 13 00:00:29,369 --> 00:00:33,129 And I was trying to understand because I, in my mind, was 14 00:00:33,129 --> 00:00:35,069 saying my body's going to hit the floor in less than 15 00:00:35,069 --> 00:00:37,819 a second, but they were not rushing me to decide. 16 00:00:42,901 --> 00:00:45,461 Rod Bland: I'd like to welcome to the show, Michelle Clare. 17 00:00:45,491 --> 00:00:46,621 Thanks for being here, Michelle. 18 00:00:47,446 --> 00:00:49,166 Michelle Clare: Thank you so much for having me, Rod. 19 00:00:50,031 --> 00:00:52,083 Rod Bland: I'm absolutelyy fascinated to hear about 20 00:00:52,083 --> 00:00:54,953 your story, about your NDE's and, and how you're 21 00:00:54,953 --> 00:00:55,943 working with spirit now. 22 00:00:56,333 --> 00:00:58,743 But could you just give us a little bit of your background? 23 00:00:58,743 --> 00:01:01,983 What life was like growing up for you and when, and if you 24 00:01:01,993 --> 00:01:04,143 had a spiritual awakening, what that was like as well? 25 00:01:04,843 --> 00:01:05,253 Michelle Clare: Yeah. 26 00:01:05,273 --> 00:01:09,013 So I was raised Catholic and from a very young age, 27 00:01:09,013 --> 00:01:12,153 I believed in the angels and the saints so that I 28 00:01:12,163 --> 00:01:15,493 had this whole universe of people, light beings 29 00:01:15,493 --> 00:01:18,223 that were, really, really wanting to help me and 30 00:01:18,223 --> 00:01:19,543 support me on my journey. 31 00:01:19,543 --> 00:01:21,513 So that was very beneficial for me. 32 00:01:21,863 --> 00:01:24,283 I will tell you though, in first grade, when my dog 33 00:01:24,283 --> 00:01:27,363 died and I went to Sunday school and my teacher told 34 00:01:27,363 --> 00:01:30,333 me my dog didn't go to heaven because it didn't have a soul, 35 00:01:30,653 --> 00:01:32,573 that was the first time I started realizing 36 00:01:32,573 --> 00:01:32,763 this was my soul. 37 00:01:32,763 --> 00:01:36,173 This might not be the right fit for me because 38 00:01:36,173 --> 00:01:37,293 even at that age, 39 00:01:37,293 --> 00:01:41,023 I knew that my dog was safely home in that heavenly realm. 40 00:01:41,533 --> 00:01:43,473 So that's really how I was raised. 41 00:01:43,553 --> 00:01:46,113 But what happened was when my grandfather passed 42 00:01:46,113 --> 00:01:47,623 away, I was 12 years old. 43 00:01:47,943 --> 00:01:50,823 And at that point in time, after he passed, he would 44 00:01:50,823 --> 00:01:53,593 come through and give me messages and I would 45 00:01:53,593 --> 00:01:54,783 share them with my mom. 46 00:01:54,813 --> 00:01:56,593 And my mom would say, well, Michelle, that's 47 00:01:56,593 --> 00:01:59,033 what you think he would say if he was still here. 48 00:01:59,033 --> 00:02:02,113 And So I quickly realized not everyone was having 49 00:02:02,113 --> 00:02:04,963 these conversations with grandpa, and I just started 50 00:02:04,963 --> 00:02:06,123 to keep it to myself. 51 00:02:06,973 --> 00:02:07,323 Rod Bland: thanks. 52 00:02:07,333 --> 00:02:09,143 Thanks for your support there, there mum. 53 00:02:09,953 --> 00:02:10,343 Michelle Clare: Yeah. 54 00:02:11,253 --> 00:02:12,783 Rod Bland: How did that present itself to you? 55 00:02:12,793 --> 00:02:16,513 Was it just like a voice in your head or a vision 56 00:02:16,513 --> 00:02:17,293 or how did that work? 57 00:02:18,023 --> 00:02:18,403 Michelle Clare: Yeah. 58 00:02:18,433 --> 00:02:21,633 So it would come, um, I could fill his presence. 59 00:02:21,663 --> 00:02:23,533 I would have dream visits with them. 60 00:02:23,823 --> 00:02:25,933 So sometimes I would feel him next to me and I 61 00:02:25,933 --> 00:02:28,573 could feel the message or hear what he was saying. 62 00:02:28,953 --> 00:02:31,213 And what I just realized was that was going to be 63 00:02:31,213 --> 00:02:32,623 my relationship with him. 64 00:02:32,623 --> 00:02:35,328 And I was going to kind of keep it Private because nobody 65 00:02:35,328 --> 00:02:38,558 else was open to that, but I would feel him sometimes 66 00:02:38,598 --> 00:02:40,308 give me messages for my mom. 67 00:02:40,328 --> 00:02:42,808 And when I would go to share those with her, she 68 00:02:42,808 --> 00:02:44,098 was always uncomfortable. 69 00:02:44,118 --> 00:02:46,468 She just didn't understand it and didn't know 70 00:02:46,468 --> 00:02:47,928 exactly how to process it. 71 00:02:49,053 --> 00:02:50,973 Rod Bland: Yeah, I think this is a thing, isn't it? 72 00:02:50,983 --> 00:02:55,123 Especially, I think there's more and more children who are 73 00:02:55,143 --> 00:02:58,443 being born, you know, in the last decade or two that have, 74 00:02:58,473 --> 00:03:01,383 have these experiences, that have this sort of awakening, 75 00:03:01,403 --> 00:03:04,303 this, it's like the veil between them and the spirit 76 00:03:04,303 --> 00:03:05,563 world is much, much thinner. 77 00:03:06,173 --> 00:03:08,473 And, um, I mean, that's why it's important that we 78 00:03:09,693 --> 00:03:11,563 We talk about what we're talking about right now, 79 00:03:11,563 --> 00:03:13,343 I think, so that more and more people, it becomes 80 00:03:13,343 --> 00:03:14,203 more and more accepted. 81 00:03:14,213 --> 00:03:17,933 And when it does come up, um, you know, I was thinking 82 00:03:17,933 --> 00:03:21,443 like the fact that your mum didn't really understand, 83 00:03:21,453 --> 00:03:22,923 did that sort of deter you? 84 00:03:22,943 --> 00:03:26,213 Or did that sort of make you want to like shut down that 85 00:03:26,213 --> 00:03:27,643 particular aspect of you? 86 00:03:28,468 --> 00:03:30,768 Michelle Clare: Yeah, it absolutely did because I 87 00:03:30,778 --> 00:03:33,968 didn't think I was safe to share it with anyone because 88 00:03:33,968 --> 00:03:36,248 my own mom, even though she loved me and I loved her, 89 00:03:36,258 --> 00:03:37,708 wasn't really open to it. 90 00:03:37,788 --> 00:03:40,728 So it really became just this private thing where I 91 00:03:40,728 --> 00:03:43,138 thought, okay, this is just between me and grandpa. 92 00:03:43,678 --> 00:03:46,978 Um, and I never looked for it to expand to be with 93 00:03:46,978 --> 00:03:49,218 anyone else or expected that. 94 00:03:49,298 --> 00:03:52,298 So it was, it was a little bit disheartening because at 95 00:03:52,298 --> 00:03:55,388 that point he was the closest person in my life that I had 96 00:03:55,398 --> 00:03:57,048 had that had transitioned. 97 00:03:57,428 --> 00:04:00,148 And I didn't really realize that no one else was 98 00:04:00,148 --> 00:04:01,478 having these conversations. 99 00:04:02,583 --> 00:04:04,153 Rod Bland: How did grandpa explain himself? 100 00:04:04,223 --> 00:04:06,383 You mentioned that there's a feeling like you knew that it 101 00:04:06,383 --> 00:04:08,023 was him just by a sort of a. 102 00:04:08,368 --> 00:04:10,048 intuitive knowing and feeling. 103 00:04:10,368 --> 00:04:12,498 Did he have to explain himself when he first came through? 104 00:04:12,498 --> 00:04:13,518 It's like, Hey, it's actually me. 105 00:04:13,518 --> 00:04:14,088 It's grandpa. 106 00:04:14,778 --> 00:04:17,738 Michelle Clare: No, I actually just knew exactly who he was. 107 00:04:17,788 --> 00:04:19,248 I, I could feel him. 108 00:04:19,278 --> 00:04:22,088 I had a visual in my mind's eye and I could 109 00:04:22,088 --> 00:04:23,968 understand everything he was saying to me. 110 00:04:23,968 --> 00:04:25,318 So it was, it was very, I. 111 00:04:25,768 --> 00:04:28,298 One thing that was beautiful, it was never scary for me. 112 00:04:28,298 --> 00:04:29,748 It was like, Oh, it's grandpa. 113 00:04:29,758 --> 00:04:31,028 He's still communicating. 114 00:04:31,748 --> 00:04:34,008 Rod Bland: So I know you've had a few NDAs. 115 00:04:34,048 --> 00:04:36,258 So I'd love to talk to you about those. 116 00:04:36,288 --> 00:04:40,028 Can you sort of go through in chronological order 117 00:04:40,068 --> 00:04:40,808 what happened there? 118 00:04:41,498 --> 00:04:42,878 Michelle Clare: Yeah, absolutely. 119 00:04:42,878 --> 00:04:47,488 So before my first NDE, my grandmother also transitioned. 120 00:04:47,508 --> 00:04:50,638 And when she transitioned, same thing happened with her. 121 00:04:50,638 --> 00:04:53,028 I was having these visits with her. 122 00:04:53,058 --> 00:04:54,718 The messages were coming through. 123 00:04:54,748 --> 00:04:55,988 I'd share them with my mom. 124 00:04:55,998 --> 00:04:57,228 My mom would say the same thing. 125 00:04:57,228 --> 00:04:59,098 Well, that's what you would think she would say. 126 00:04:59,498 --> 00:05:02,798 So again, I Learn to keep this relationship to myself, 127 00:05:02,828 --> 00:05:05,588 but I'm very much aware that this is happening. 128 00:05:06,138 --> 00:05:10,528 So as time goes on in April of 2000, I have my first 129 00:05:10,528 --> 00:05:11,718 near death experience. 130 00:05:11,718 --> 00:05:15,078 And in that point in time, I'm, um, I had only 131 00:05:15,078 --> 00:05:16,448 been married a few years. 132 00:05:16,448 --> 00:05:17,858 I didn't have kids yet. 133 00:05:18,278 --> 00:05:21,308 We were in the hospital visiting my sister in law 134 00:05:21,308 --> 00:05:25,058 who had had a baby that day and her RN happened to be 135 00:05:25,058 --> 00:05:26,408 my friend from high school. 136 00:05:26,458 --> 00:05:28,673 So I was in the hallway talking to her. 137 00:05:29,663 --> 00:05:32,983 And at that point in time, I had a massive seizure. 138 00:05:33,443 --> 00:05:37,303 And so what I remember is opening my eyes and I was 139 00:05:37,313 --> 00:05:42,273 laying in this beautiful white room and the walls 140 00:05:42,283 --> 00:05:44,103 were alive and breathing. 141 00:05:44,103 --> 00:05:47,573 It was like every cell or molecule in there was 142 00:05:47,603 --> 00:05:50,223 radiating this light and love. 143 00:05:50,223 --> 00:05:52,663 And even though they seemed solid, I knew they were. 144 00:05:52,818 --> 00:05:53,658 full of light. 145 00:05:54,238 --> 00:05:57,068 And as I'm laying in this room, I look up and I 146 00:05:57,098 --> 00:06:00,178 see my beautiful grandma holding my head in her lap. 147 00:06:00,258 --> 00:06:03,468 And she was the youngest healthiest version of her. 148 00:06:03,958 --> 00:06:05,218 that I could remember. 149 00:06:05,518 --> 00:06:09,568 And I just remember feeling the timelessness, the bliss, 150 00:06:09,848 --> 00:06:11,878 this unconditional love. 151 00:06:12,328 --> 00:06:15,198 And as I was really soaking it in, I noticed 152 00:06:15,198 --> 00:06:18,408 that standing next to my grandma was this angel that 153 00:06:18,408 --> 00:06:20,078 was about 12 feet tall. 154 00:06:20,118 --> 00:06:23,938 And as I looked at her, It was as though I had been kind of 155 00:06:23,938 --> 00:06:25,898 almost pulled into her energy. 156 00:06:26,268 --> 00:06:28,658 And I remember thinking, what is your name? 157 00:06:28,738 --> 00:06:29,768 And she answered me. 158 00:06:29,778 --> 00:06:33,118 She said, my name is Madeline and I'm your guardian angel. 159 00:06:33,698 --> 00:06:36,408 I was really surprised because at that point in my life, I 160 00:06:36,408 --> 00:06:39,008 didn't know anything about telepathic communication, 161 00:06:39,378 --> 00:06:41,438 so I didn't know how she was reading my thoughts. 162 00:06:42,168 --> 00:06:45,258 I remember I wanted to see her wings because we 163 00:06:45,258 --> 00:06:47,828 all know that angels have these big feather wings. 164 00:06:48,098 --> 00:06:51,198 And when I went to look for them, what I realized 165 00:06:51,198 --> 00:06:53,358 was they were actually made out of light and they 166 00:06:53,358 --> 00:06:57,368 were kind of iridescent and translucent and they moved 167 00:06:57,368 --> 00:07:00,508 a little bit like the aurora borealis across the sky. 168 00:07:01,458 --> 00:07:04,198 And there was no end to these wings. 169 00:07:04,198 --> 00:07:07,638 They literally almost seemed to span eternity. 170 00:07:08,303 --> 00:07:11,433 So, I was just laying here in this beautiful, blissful 171 00:07:11,473 --> 00:07:14,703 space, not wanting to leave, not worried about anything. 172 00:07:15,153 --> 00:07:17,883 And the next thing I hear is someone yelling, 173 00:07:17,903 --> 00:07:19,653 code, code, code. 174 00:07:20,143 --> 00:07:22,433 And I am shoved back in my body. 175 00:07:22,593 --> 00:07:25,293 And it felt like I had dropped out of a 10 story building. 176 00:07:25,303 --> 00:07:26,143 It was hard. 177 00:07:26,163 --> 00:07:27,233 It was heavy. 178 00:07:27,543 --> 00:07:30,173 My arm felt like it weighed 500 pounds 179 00:07:30,723 --> 00:07:32,263 and I was just back. 180 00:07:32,533 --> 00:07:35,743 And so after this experience, they admitted 181 00:07:35,753 --> 00:07:36,803 me to the hospital. 182 00:07:36,873 --> 00:07:39,453 They never found out why I had the seizure. 183 00:07:39,563 --> 00:07:42,453 I've never had another one again, but it took me a 184 00:07:42,453 --> 00:07:45,683 few weeks to even process what had happened because 185 00:07:45,683 --> 00:07:49,043 I did not know the term near death experience. 186 00:07:49,093 --> 00:07:51,683 I didn't really have anyone that I could talk 187 00:07:51,683 --> 00:07:54,583 to about this, but I remember that I had never 188 00:07:54,583 --> 00:07:56,823 felt so loved in my life. 189 00:07:57,573 --> 00:08:00,663 A few weeks after this happened, I shared it 190 00:08:00,663 --> 00:08:04,703 with my mom and my mom was kind of looking at 191 00:08:04,703 --> 00:08:07,013 me trying to understand how this could happen. 192 00:08:07,023 --> 00:08:10,713 She knew that, that I felt that it was real. 193 00:08:11,063 --> 00:08:13,673 And actually what near death experiencers often 194 00:08:13,673 --> 00:08:15,843 say is it feels more real. 195 00:08:16,233 --> 00:08:18,653 And that experience than it does when we're 196 00:08:18,653 --> 00:08:19,673 here on planet earth. 197 00:08:19,703 --> 00:08:21,923 And that was absolutely true for me. 198 00:08:22,323 --> 00:08:25,263 And so my mom knew I had an experience, but she never 199 00:08:25,263 --> 00:08:26,653 knew what to make of it. 200 00:08:27,608 --> 00:08:27,948 Rod Bland: Wow. 201 00:08:27,948 --> 00:08:30,148 So did I get this right? 202 00:08:30,148 --> 00:08:31,858 So you were actually in the hospital when 203 00:08:31,858 --> 00:08:32,908 the seizure occurred? 204 00:08:33,618 --> 00:08:34,808 Well, that was pretty handy, wasn't it? 205 00:08:35,263 --> 00:08:35,563 Michelle Clare: Yeah. 206 00:08:36,153 --> 00:08:37,313 Very convenient. 207 00:08:37,838 --> 00:08:38,198 Rod Bland: Yeah. 208 00:08:38,618 --> 00:08:43,153 And did you have a moment of, uh, like, Oh God, I've died. 209 00:08:43,153 --> 00:08:44,263 Or how did I get here? 210 00:08:44,263 --> 00:08:45,073 Or where am I? 211 00:08:45,103 --> 00:08:48,053 Or was it just like, does it feel familiar at all? 212 00:08:48,963 --> 00:08:52,003 Michelle Clare: It felt so familiar and so comfortable. 213 00:08:52,073 --> 00:08:56,533 Um, I, so in none of my NDEs, have I seen this tunnel 214 00:08:56,693 --> 00:08:58,253 of light coming for me? 215 00:08:58,283 --> 00:09:00,733 I am always just here and then I am gone. 216 00:09:00,763 --> 00:09:03,653 And so I think our souls process getting to the 217 00:09:03,653 --> 00:09:04,853 other side differently. 218 00:09:05,178 --> 00:09:07,868 And for me, it's literally just like blinking and I'm 219 00:09:07,868 --> 00:09:11,418 there, but it was so familiar, so comfortable, so loving. 220 00:09:11,778 --> 00:09:14,108 Um, there was no part of me that was worried about 221 00:09:14,108 --> 00:09:15,758 anything or wanting to leave. 222 00:09:16,343 --> 00:09:16,673 Rod Bland: Hmm. 223 00:09:17,153 --> 00:09:18,313 Yeah, I have a theory about that. 224 00:09:18,333 --> 00:09:21,873 What I've noticed is that people who, uh, have been, you 225 00:09:21,873 --> 00:09:25,703 know, conscious of spirit from an earlier age, at least in my 226 00:09:25,713 --> 00:09:28,423 limited experience talking to people is that they tend not 227 00:09:28,423 --> 00:09:30,213 to have the tunnel experience. 228 00:09:30,513 --> 00:09:34,958 Whereas those who had not, you know, being, uh, didn't 229 00:09:35,018 --> 00:09:36,988 ever get messages, weren't ever connected to the spirit 230 00:09:36,988 --> 00:09:39,778 in any sort of meaningful way, tend to have the tunnel thing. 231 00:09:40,218 --> 00:09:44,058 And maybe that just makes more sense for them for 232 00:09:44,058 --> 00:09:45,598 things to be constructed that way for them. 233 00:09:45,598 --> 00:09:47,398 Because I, what I do believe is that everybody 234 00:09:47,398 --> 00:09:50,798 has a unique NDE that's unique to them, that's 235 00:09:50,868 --> 00:09:52,248 specially tailored for them. 236 00:09:53,088 --> 00:09:55,038 So maybe it's something to do with the fact that you're kind 237 00:09:55,038 --> 00:09:56,248 of used to the whole idea. 238 00:09:56,248 --> 00:09:57,568 So they go, well, let's just skip that bit. 239 00:09:57,608 --> 00:09:58,968 We'll just get straight, get 240 00:09:59,048 --> 00:09:59,348 Michelle Clare: Right. 241 00:09:59,348 --> 00:10:01,228 We can, we'll skip the tunnel. 242 00:10:01,228 --> 00:10:02,188 I'll just go right there. 243 00:10:02,188 --> 00:10:02,488 Yes. 244 00:10:02,818 --> 00:10:03,218 Rod Bland: Yeah. 245 00:10:03,908 --> 00:10:06,648 Now, uh, you had two other NDEs, right? 246 00:10:06,648 --> 00:10:08,198 So you've had one more recently and he had one. 247 00:10:08,228 --> 00:10:09,028 Tell us about the other two. 248 00:10:09,098 --> 00:10:09,588 Michelle Clare: Yes. 249 00:10:09,658 --> 00:10:12,608 So the next one happened in May of 2006. 250 00:10:12,618 --> 00:10:14,958 And at that point in my life, I was married. 251 00:10:14,958 --> 00:10:16,328 I had three little kids. 252 00:10:16,358 --> 00:10:18,248 So I had a five year old, a two and a half 253 00:10:18,248 --> 00:10:19,488 year old and an infant. 254 00:10:19,838 --> 00:10:22,398 When I had my son in April, I had had a lot of 255 00:10:22,398 --> 00:10:23,758 complications with him. 256 00:10:24,048 --> 00:10:26,558 So I was in the hospital about four out of the six 257 00:10:26,558 --> 00:10:27,908 weeks after I had him. 258 00:10:28,248 --> 00:10:31,468 And the doctors finally said, we need to do a DNC on you 259 00:10:31,468 --> 00:10:33,898 and that's a process where they clear out your uterus. 260 00:10:34,268 --> 00:10:37,138 It's outpatient, but they said this should, this should 261 00:10:37,168 --> 00:10:38,528 take care of the problem. 262 00:10:38,528 --> 00:10:41,908 You'll be able to go home and it'll just be fine. 263 00:10:42,008 --> 00:10:43,748 So I was ready to go home. 264 00:10:43,768 --> 00:10:45,288 I was sick of being in the hospital. 265 00:10:45,948 --> 00:10:49,008 And the night before the procedure, I just had this 266 00:10:49,048 --> 00:10:52,088 pit in my stomach and I knew that I should not go 267 00:10:52,088 --> 00:10:55,098 through with this, but they had made it sound so easy 268 00:10:55,098 --> 00:10:58,538 and so simple in 45 minutes, and I'd be headed home. 269 00:10:58,668 --> 00:11:00,968 So the next morning when I went in, I 270 00:11:00,998 --> 00:11:03,488 talked to the doctor and the anesthesiologist. 271 00:11:03,658 --> 00:11:06,348 Once again, they said, They both reassured me that it 272 00:11:06,348 --> 00:11:10,018 would be easy and simple, and I have had anesthesia 273 00:11:10,028 --> 00:11:13,038 before, before this procedure, and whenever I've had it, 274 00:11:13,088 --> 00:11:14,668 it was just a blank space. 275 00:11:14,668 --> 00:11:16,658 I didn't have dreams, I didn't have memories, 276 00:11:16,658 --> 00:11:17,398 there was nothing. 277 00:11:18,198 --> 00:11:21,728 So in this situation, I remember counting backwards 278 00:11:21,728 --> 00:11:25,078 for the anesthesiologist, And the next thing I know, 279 00:11:25,108 --> 00:11:28,528 I am opening my eyes in the operating room on the 280 00:11:28,548 --> 00:11:32,888 gurney and I look over and my beautiful 102 pound white 281 00:11:32,898 --> 00:11:36,658 German shepherd who had passed away a few years before came 282 00:11:36,658 --> 00:11:40,178 walking in, she laid her head on the operating table. 283 00:11:40,553 --> 00:11:43,513 And the next thing I knew, we were gone and we were 284 00:11:43,533 --> 00:11:45,353 on this phenomenal beach. 285 00:11:46,023 --> 00:11:47,853 There were colors that we don't have 286 00:11:47,933 --> 00:11:49,003 here on planet earth. 287 00:11:49,013 --> 00:11:52,473 There were sounds, there were emotions, there were smells. 288 00:11:53,073 --> 00:11:56,313 Everything on this beach, every cell, every molecule, 289 00:11:56,313 --> 00:11:59,813 every drop of water, every piece of sand is radiating 290 00:11:59,833 --> 00:12:01,973 this light and love and bliss. 291 00:12:02,703 --> 00:12:05,863 And I just remember soaking in this moment. 292 00:12:06,323 --> 00:12:09,953 And as I am, I'm looking at my beautiful German Shepherd. 293 00:12:09,953 --> 00:12:13,673 Her name was Tahoe and she is looking like she's 294 00:12:13,673 --> 00:12:15,033 about two years old. 295 00:12:15,083 --> 00:12:16,743 She's young, she's healthy. 296 00:12:17,088 --> 00:12:19,268 We are telepathically communicating. 297 00:12:19,268 --> 00:12:22,888 She's so happy that I'm there and we are just running 298 00:12:22,918 --> 00:12:24,718 on this amazing beach. 299 00:12:25,128 --> 00:12:27,458 And as we're running, I start to notice that 300 00:12:27,458 --> 00:12:28,618 I'm not getting tired. 301 00:12:28,618 --> 00:12:29,678 I'm not getting hot. 302 00:12:29,828 --> 00:12:31,338 I'm not getting thirsty. 303 00:12:31,648 --> 00:12:33,398 The sand feels like clouds. 304 00:12:33,458 --> 00:12:35,728 And I start to have this realization that 305 00:12:35,808 --> 00:12:38,798 something is definitely different surrounded 306 00:12:38,808 --> 00:12:40,118 by all of this bliss. 307 00:12:40,818 --> 00:12:44,578 At that moment, I feel my son who was six weeks old and he 308 00:12:44,578 --> 00:12:46,108 was at the house with my mom. 309 00:12:46,108 --> 00:12:48,503 Um, Calling to me because he knew I was 310 00:12:48,533 --> 00:12:49,713 getting ready to leave. 311 00:12:50,683 --> 00:12:53,843 In this near death experience, this is the place where I 312 00:12:53,843 --> 00:12:56,713 realized our souls can be in more than one place at a 313 00:12:56,713 --> 00:12:59,233 time, because there was this part of me on the beach with 314 00:12:59,233 --> 00:13:02,603 my dog, and this other part of me that goes to my son. 315 00:13:02,993 --> 00:13:06,123 And I remember him and I remember his fear because 316 00:13:06,123 --> 00:13:07,283 he was six weeks old. 317 00:13:07,813 --> 00:13:11,663 And I remember saying, Josh, I will find a way to stay. 318 00:13:11,803 --> 00:13:13,313 And I didn't know what to do. 319 00:13:13,373 --> 00:13:15,253 So I started praying and I started saying, 320 00:13:15,273 --> 00:13:16,473 it's not my time. 321 00:13:16,823 --> 00:13:17,613 I need help. 322 00:13:17,653 --> 00:13:18,673 I'm not ready. 323 00:13:19,243 --> 00:13:20,603 My kids still need me. 324 00:13:20,823 --> 00:13:23,393 And the next thing I know, I'm immediately back 325 00:13:23,393 --> 00:13:24,613 in the operating room. 326 00:13:25,023 --> 00:13:28,853 Jesus comes in and Jesus came in as like your best 327 00:13:28,943 --> 00:13:30,363 friend, your best buddy. 328 00:13:30,363 --> 00:13:31,493 Like, Hey, I'm here. 329 00:13:31,503 --> 00:13:32,593 How can I help you? 330 00:13:33,353 --> 00:13:36,633 This operating room lights up with this beautiful white 331 00:13:36,633 --> 00:13:39,433 light, and the next thing I know I'm waking up in post 332 00:13:39,433 --> 00:13:43,703 op, and my 45 minute procedure turned into a three and a half 333 00:13:43,703 --> 00:13:47,383 hour emergency surgery because they had ruptured my uterus 334 00:13:47,383 --> 00:13:50,913 in two places and missed my artery by a millimeter. 335 00:13:51,338 --> 00:13:51,788 Rod Bland: wow. 336 00:13:53,048 --> 00:13:53,378 Wow. 337 00:13:53,408 --> 00:13:54,708 Those DNC operations. 338 00:13:54,708 --> 00:13:56,328 The only reason I know about that is because 339 00:13:56,328 --> 00:13:58,788 I actually had another guest almost a year ago. 340 00:13:58,788 --> 00:13:59,868 He had the same thing. 341 00:14:00,158 --> 00:14:01,888 They had an NDE because she had a DNC. 342 00:14:01,888 --> 00:14:03,538 I'm not saying there's anything particularly 343 00:14:03,568 --> 00:14:06,398 endemic systemic about DNCs, but it's just interesting 344 00:14:06,398 --> 00:14:08,688 that you're the second person to talk about that. 345 00:14:09,113 --> 00:14:10,483 Michelle Clare: That is interesting. 346 00:14:10,618 --> 00:14:11,148 Rod Bland: Yeah. 347 00:14:11,568 --> 00:14:12,148 Wow. 348 00:14:12,248 --> 00:14:12,728 Okay. 349 00:14:12,738 --> 00:14:13,298 So. 350 00:14:14,988 --> 00:14:15,278 All right. 351 00:14:15,278 --> 00:14:16,688 Well, we've got, uh, now you've got, 352 00:14:16,718 --> 00:14:17,438 there's another one. 353 00:14:17,458 --> 00:14:17,768 You're 354 00:14:17,943 --> 00:14:18,433 Michelle Clare: There's one 355 00:14:18,608 --> 00:14:20,308 Rod Bland: person who's had three NDE's. 356 00:14:20,688 --> 00:14:21,648 This is incredible. 357 00:14:21,918 --> 00:14:22,178 All right. 358 00:14:22,188 --> 00:14:23,118 Tell us about the third one. 359 00:14:23,433 --> 00:14:25,233 Michelle Clare: Yeah, you know, why have one or two when 360 00:14:25,233 --> 00:14:26,273 you can have three, right? 361 00:14:26,293 --> 00:14:28,683 But I keep telling everyone, I'm done now. 362 00:14:28,713 --> 00:14:31,183 I figure my next exit point is I'm out. 363 00:14:31,323 --> 00:14:33,043 So whenever that comes, I'm going. 364 00:14:33,433 --> 00:14:37,073 Uh, my third one happened on November 1st, 2011. 365 00:14:37,103 --> 00:14:40,218 So for people who like numbers, that's 11 111. 366 00:14:40,368 --> 00:14:43,648 At that point in my life, I had my three little kids. 367 00:14:43,698 --> 00:14:47,918 So, they were five, eight, and ten, and I have 14 368 00:14:47,918 --> 00:14:49,228 foot ceilings in my house. 369 00:14:49,338 --> 00:14:52,968 So, up above, about 12 feet off the ground, I have these 370 00:14:52,978 --> 00:14:56,658 battery operated candles, and I told my younger two kids who 371 00:14:56,658 --> 00:14:58,798 are home, I'm going to change the batteries, and then we're 372 00:14:58,798 --> 00:15:00,008 going to go get your sister. 373 00:15:00,098 --> 00:15:03,198 So, I remember climbing to the top of the ladder, 374 00:15:03,238 --> 00:15:06,468 and as I got to the top, I felt it start to shift. 375 00:15:06,788 --> 00:15:09,208 And I remember thinking, Oh, this is going to hurt. 376 00:15:09,598 --> 00:15:12,278 And at that moment, I am literally just 377 00:15:12,428 --> 00:15:14,398 catapulted out of my body. 378 00:15:14,808 --> 00:15:17,758 And I am turned around standing with three 379 00:15:17,758 --> 00:15:19,228 people that I didn't know. 380 00:15:19,278 --> 00:15:22,068 I'm standing with an Asian man, an Egyptian 381 00:15:22,068 --> 00:15:23,648 woman, and a Hawaiian man. 382 00:15:24,018 --> 00:15:27,988 And I am facing my body in the ladder suspended in the air. 383 00:15:28,508 --> 00:15:30,423 And once again, I'm in this. 384 00:15:30,603 --> 00:15:32,543 Blissful, timeless space. 385 00:15:32,543 --> 00:15:34,993 I'm feeling all of this unconditional love. 386 00:15:35,613 --> 00:15:37,793 And they said to me, what do you want to do, Michelle? 387 00:15:37,813 --> 00:15:39,763 Do you want to stay or do you want to go? 388 00:15:40,158 --> 00:15:43,918 And I was trying to understand because I, in my mind, was 389 00:15:43,918 --> 00:15:45,858 saying my body's going to hit the floor in less than 390 00:15:45,858 --> 00:15:48,608 a second, but they were not rushing me to decide. 391 00:15:48,628 --> 00:15:51,248 I had forever to make this decision. 392 00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:53,778 It was like a freeze frame in a movie, right? 393 00:15:53,798 --> 00:15:56,508 Just my body and the ladder suspended in the air. 394 00:15:57,258 --> 00:16:00,408 And as I was watching that, I saw a different angel 395 00:16:00,418 --> 00:16:03,248 than the first one come in, and this angel was 396 00:16:03,248 --> 00:16:04,558 dressed in red and gold. 397 00:16:04,578 --> 00:16:08,348 And the moment that I saw this angel, I had this knowing that 398 00:16:08,348 --> 00:16:10,708 this angel was either going to take me straight home to 399 00:16:10,708 --> 00:16:13,878 heaven or shift something so that I could stay. 400 00:16:14,478 --> 00:16:18,128 And as I was in that space, just kind of soaking it in, 401 00:16:18,198 --> 00:16:20,928 I remember seeing my two younger kids in the kitchen. 402 00:16:20,968 --> 00:16:23,598 And the minute that I saw them, I knew I needed 403 00:16:23,598 --> 00:16:24,758 to commit to staying. 404 00:16:24,768 --> 00:16:28,673 And as I made that decision I was downloaded with a bunch 405 00:16:28,673 --> 00:16:31,903 of information, um, from my life guides from source. 406 00:16:32,383 --> 00:16:35,413 Uh, it was really this moment where they said to me, okay, 407 00:16:35,413 --> 00:16:37,703 Michelle, you can stay, but you need to go back and you 408 00:16:37,703 --> 00:16:40,793 need to do your mediumship the way that you do it and you 409 00:16:40,793 --> 00:16:44,543 need to, you know, help people and, and, and be that light. 410 00:16:44,583 --> 00:16:47,083 And they, they explained to me, they said, your 411 00:16:47,083 --> 00:16:49,423 marriage is probably not going to survive this. 412 00:16:49,473 --> 00:16:51,423 And you have more trauma that's going 413 00:16:51,423 --> 00:16:52,353 to come in your life. 414 00:16:52,353 --> 00:16:52,573 And. 415 00:16:53,018 --> 00:16:55,798 They were absolutely correct about all of these things. 416 00:16:56,138 --> 00:16:59,338 And yet in that moment, seeing my kids, it was just 417 00:16:59,338 --> 00:17:01,278 like, Oh, I'm not done here. 418 00:17:01,858 --> 00:17:03,958 So what happened was I ended up falling. 419 00:17:03,998 --> 00:17:07,568 I hit the corner of the Island in the kitchen with 420 00:17:07,568 --> 00:17:11,668 the back of my head and I had a five and a half inch. 421 00:17:12,168 --> 00:17:13,708 Skull fracture that went up. 422 00:17:13,738 --> 00:17:16,598 I had a brain bleed over here. 423 00:17:16,618 --> 00:17:21,528 I lost my taste, my smell, my equilibrium, but I actually 424 00:17:21,528 --> 00:17:24,618 ended up surviving the fall by literally half an inch 425 00:17:24,958 --> 00:17:27,888 because that was how much I had missed my brainstem by. 426 00:17:28,548 --> 00:17:31,308 And that was what kept me here. 427 00:17:32,368 --> 00:17:32,828 Rod Bland: gosh. 428 00:17:33,308 --> 00:17:37,418 So when you, I'm just looking at their practicality. 429 00:17:37,418 --> 00:17:40,998 So the kids were there, did somebody, how did that work? 430 00:17:40,998 --> 00:17:42,958 Did one of the, I guess, cause you had slightly older kids. 431 00:17:42,958 --> 00:17:45,058 The oldest one would have been old enough to call 9 1 1 432 00:17:45,058 --> 00:17:46,938 Michelle Clare: Oh, that's a great story. 433 00:17:47,378 --> 00:17:49,018 Let's dive into that for a minute. 434 00:17:49,028 --> 00:17:51,528 That's actually a, that's an amazing story. 435 00:17:51,528 --> 00:17:54,888 So, what happened, my five year old son, Josh, 436 00:17:55,048 --> 00:17:58,228 um, had tried to call 911, but he thought his 437 00:17:58,228 --> 00:17:59,388 call didn't go through. 438 00:18:00,078 --> 00:18:03,718 So, um, After about 10 days, I got out of the 439 00:18:03,718 --> 00:18:06,438 hospital and I came home and I had a lot of recovery. 440 00:18:06,468 --> 00:18:08,088 I mean, years of recovery. 441 00:18:08,088 --> 00:18:13,308 But about the end of January, 2012, my son started getting 442 00:18:13,318 --> 00:18:16,218 really depressed because he said, Mom, I didn't 443 00:18:16,218 --> 00:18:17,348 do anything to help you. 444 00:18:17,358 --> 00:18:18,928 My call didn't go through. 445 00:18:18,978 --> 00:18:21,428 And I would say, but Josh, you opened the door for the 446 00:18:21,428 --> 00:18:23,678 policemen, help was coming. 447 00:18:23,698 --> 00:18:27,158 And he just kept getting more and more depressed at five. 448 00:18:27,943 --> 00:18:31,613 So, the end of January, my grandfather, who passed away 449 00:18:31,613 --> 00:18:35,523 when I was 12 years old, came through to me, and he talked 450 00:18:35,533 --> 00:18:39,313 to me about the accident, he talked to me about my son, 451 00:18:39,353 --> 00:18:41,993 they've never walked this earth at the same time, And 452 00:18:41,993 --> 00:18:44,653 he said something about my son being good with electronics. 453 00:18:44,783 --> 00:18:46,813 And then he said to me, Michelle, you need to 454 00:18:46,813 --> 00:18:48,403 get the 9 1 1 recording. 455 00:18:48,703 --> 00:18:50,803 There's something on there that you should know. 456 00:18:51,283 --> 00:18:52,973 And I didn't even know I could get that. 457 00:18:53,273 --> 00:18:54,693 So I went down, 458 00:18:54,703 --> 00:18:57,363 this is my first huge mediumship visit to 459 00:18:57,363 --> 00:18:58,433 after the head injury. 460 00:18:58,863 --> 00:18:59,673 Rod Bland: I'm getting chills. 461 00:19:00,053 --> 00:19:00,603 Michelle Clare: I know. 462 00:19:00,633 --> 00:19:03,703 So I go, I ordered the 9 1 1 recording. 463 00:19:03,973 --> 00:19:05,903 It takes a couple of weeks to come in. 464 00:19:06,713 --> 00:19:07,353 I get it. 465 00:19:07,393 --> 00:19:08,153 I play it. 466 00:19:08,513 --> 00:19:11,333 And I hear them say, 911, what's your emergency? 467 00:19:11,583 --> 00:19:14,943 And in his little broken voice, my son, Josh says, 468 00:19:15,363 --> 00:19:17,103 Sophie, what do I say? 469 00:19:17,193 --> 00:19:19,663 And then he laid the phone down because he 470 00:19:19,663 --> 00:19:21,993 had called right when the trauma happened. 471 00:19:22,223 --> 00:19:24,913 And he actually had forgotten that the call went through. 472 00:19:25,193 --> 00:19:27,253 So for a minute and a half, you can hear the 473 00:19:27,253 --> 00:19:29,413 operators trying to get the kids attention. 474 00:19:29,853 --> 00:19:32,383 And then my son says, I'm going to go push the panic 475 00:19:32,383 --> 00:19:33,773 alarm button on the house. 476 00:19:34,253 --> 00:19:37,103 And my daughter says, hold on, let me try calling 911. 477 00:19:37,493 --> 00:19:40,593 She hangs up the phone, recalls, and her call 478 00:19:40,593 --> 00:19:41,523 went through too. 479 00:19:42,203 --> 00:19:45,013 So when he came home from kindergarten that day, 480 00:19:45,593 --> 00:19:48,813 I just said to him, I said, Josh, your call went 481 00:19:48,833 --> 00:19:50,763 through, help was coming. 482 00:19:51,053 --> 00:19:54,353 And it was as though I had lifted this 10, 000 pound 483 00:19:54,353 --> 00:19:56,183 weight off this little boy. 484 00:19:56,838 --> 00:19:59,658 And the gift of this was what I really realized 485 00:19:59,658 --> 00:20:02,198 at that moment was the true gift of mediumship. 486 00:20:02,228 --> 00:20:04,828 My grandfather from the other side had life 487 00:20:04,828 --> 00:20:07,528 changing information that I didn't even know existed. 488 00:20:07,828 --> 00:20:10,938 And he was still connected to my son, whom he never 489 00:20:10,938 --> 00:20:12,568 even met in human form. 490 00:20:12,888 --> 00:20:14,328 But came through with information 491 00:20:14,328 --> 00:20:15,428 to change his life. 492 00:20:16,393 --> 00:20:16,853 Rod Bland: Wow. 493 00:20:17,433 --> 00:20:18,063 That's amazing. 494 00:20:18,113 --> 00:20:20,963 I'm going to be like, I've got, I'm going to be doing a 495 00:20:20,963 --> 00:20:22,013 bit of this today, I think. 496 00:20:23,293 --> 00:20:23,663 Wow. 497 00:20:24,493 --> 00:20:30,403 Um, so the, the download that you got while you were 498 00:20:30,403 --> 00:20:33,633 doing your NDE, you know, what, what did that contain? 499 00:20:33,633 --> 00:20:35,633 What were, what were the instructions that you got? 500 00:20:36,448 --> 00:20:36,978 Michelle Clare: Yeah. 501 00:20:37,048 --> 00:20:40,678 So some of it is still revealed to me over time. 502 00:20:40,778 --> 00:20:44,578 Um, I don't think that I can remember all of it because it 503 00:20:44,578 --> 00:20:48,628 was so multi layered, but, um, basically what I was told was 504 00:20:48,628 --> 00:20:49,818 that I was going to survive. 505 00:20:49,848 --> 00:20:52,778 I was going to be able to, you know, live to raise my 506 00:20:52,778 --> 00:20:56,458 kids, that I was going to lose my marriage, which is true. 507 00:20:56,458 --> 00:20:59,168 After 25 years, my marriage ended in divorce. 508 00:20:59,638 --> 00:21:01,848 They told me that I was going to have more trauma coming. 509 00:21:01,848 --> 00:21:04,398 Um, And if they told me the specifics of that, I 510 00:21:04,408 --> 00:21:07,528 don't remember it, but, um, what has happened 511 00:21:07,538 --> 00:21:10,438 also since then is that my life partner transitioned 512 00:21:10,448 --> 00:21:11,848 by suicide in August. 513 00:21:12,088 --> 00:21:15,398 So there was definitely more trauma with that. 514 00:21:15,658 --> 00:21:19,768 Um, and what they really told me was like, just to take the 515 00:21:19,768 --> 00:21:24,318 next step on my path because I didn't know, um, how to, 516 00:21:24,408 --> 00:21:27,168 how all of this was going to unfold at that point in time. 517 00:21:27,238 --> 00:21:28,938 And honestly, that first year. 518 00:21:29,308 --> 00:21:31,908 I had so much physical damage that I was 519 00:21:31,908 --> 00:21:33,828 trying to heal from. 520 00:21:33,828 --> 00:21:36,828 I mean, just being able to stand up and walk, uh, 521 00:21:36,858 --> 00:21:38,858 that I couldn't really focus on how am I going 522 00:21:38,858 --> 00:21:39,858 to learn to be a medium? 523 00:21:39,858 --> 00:21:41,358 I was just trying to be a mom. 524 00:21:41,838 --> 00:21:44,868 But with time, the pieces kept coming into place. 525 00:21:44,868 --> 00:21:47,388 And one thing that I've really learned from Spirit is that 526 00:21:47,388 --> 00:21:51,258 it, it really is, especially for me about having just 527 00:21:51,268 --> 00:21:53,998 the faith to take the next step, even though I might 528 00:21:53,998 --> 00:21:57,218 not know exactly what that Looks like it will present 529 00:21:57,218 --> 00:21:58,558 itself at the right time, 530 00:21:59,283 --> 00:21:59,663 Rod Bland: Hmm. 531 00:22:00,263 --> 00:22:03,608 There was something you said then about you were There's 532 00:22:03,608 --> 00:22:06,598 this, the law of free will, I call it the law because 533 00:22:06,598 --> 00:22:10,878 I've been reading, um, the Law of One books for probably 534 00:22:10,878 --> 00:22:11,808 about nine months now. 535 00:22:12,118 --> 00:22:14,238 And the one thing that's really hit home to me is that 536 00:22:14,248 --> 00:22:19,358 the, uh, this free will that we're given is absolutely 537 00:22:19,358 --> 00:22:21,278 fundamental to our experience. 538 00:22:21,868 --> 00:22:25,608 And that anything that might impinge on our free will 539 00:22:25,878 --> 00:22:26,553 is absolutely fundamental. 540 00:22:27,023 --> 00:22:29,653 It's really to be avoided when it comes to, especially 541 00:22:29,653 --> 00:22:30,623 when it comes to spirits. 542 00:22:30,633 --> 00:22:33,173 So when I think about that, it's like you were given a 543 00:22:33,173 --> 00:22:35,263 little bit of information, but it wasn't enough to, 544 00:22:35,403 --> 00:22:37,493 you've still got your free will about how you do that. 545 00:22:37,493 --> 00:22:40,163 But I think when you start getting specifics about this 546 00:22:40,163 --> 00:22:41,573 is going to happen, that's going to happen, that's 547 00:22:41,573 --> 00:22:44,103 going to happen, I feel like that starts to then 548 00:22:44,813 --> 00:22:46,513 intrude upon your free will. 549 00:22:47,193 --> 00:22:47,833 in a way. 550 00:22:47,833 --> 00:22:49,863 So it makes sense to me that you wouldn't be given 551 00:22:49,963 --> 00:22:51,413 those sort of specifics. 552 00:22:52,143 --> 00:22:53,783 And having said that, I know, I know that sometimes 553 00:22:53,783 --> 00:22:55,533 people get premonitions about things as well. 554 00:22:56,193 --> 00:22:58,773 And I think there's this sort of, there's this fine line 555 00:22:58,773 --> 00:23:01,563 that spirits sometimes treads, I feel like, between free will 556 00:23:02,063 --> 00:23:04,993 and it's like, well, this is a probability, you know, but 557 00:23:04,993 --> 00:23:07,173 it's not necessarily going to impinge on your free will if 558 00:23:07,173 --> 00:23:08,343 I give you this information. 559 00:23:09,528 --> 00:23:10,728 Michelle Clare: Yeah, absolutely. 560 00:23:10,728 --> 00:23:15,133 I I came back knowing without a doubt That the deal was I 561 00:23:15,133 --> 00:23:17,843 would follow through with my mediumship if I was coming 562 00:23:17,853 --> 00:23:21,483 back again, um, and it, and it was clearly worth it to me. 563 00:23:21,843 --> 00:23:24,233 We have free will on a soul level and we have 564 00:23:24,233 --> 00:23:25,603 free will on a human level. 565 00:23:25,643 --> 00:23:29,183 So no one's soul is here accidentally or 566 00:23:29,183 --> 00:23:30,463 against their will. 567 00:23:30,493 --> 00:23:31,693 I believe in pre life prevention. 568 00:23:32,153 --> 00:23:34,423 So I believe that our souls create blueprints 569 00:23:34,423 --> 00:23:36,953 and we have ideas and missions and things we want 570 00:23:36,953 --> 00:23:38,153 to learn and accomplish. 571 00:23:38,463 --> 00:23:39,853 And then we come in, right? 572 00:23:39,883 --> 00:23:42,023 So our soul chose to be here. 573 00:23:42,283 --> 00:23:44,483 And then on top of that, we, we picked a 574 00:23:44,483 --> 00:23:45,643 blueprint for our life. 575 00:23:45,733 --> 00:23:48,563 And then we come in and our humanness has free will also. 576 00:23:49,263 --> 00:23:51,433 Rod Bland: So how did your abilities 577 00:23:51,433 --> 00:23:53,553 evolve after that NDE? 578 00:23:53,603 --> 00:23:54,833 Did things change for you then? 579 00:23:55,623 --> 00:23:57,513 Michelle Clare: They did not change immediately. 580 00:23:57,513 --> 00:23:59,973 I mean, the visit that I had with my grandfather when 581 00:23:59,973 --> 00:24:03,983 he told me about the 911 recording was the most vivid, 582 00:24:03,993 --> 00:24:07,223 brilliant visit I had ever had up until that point in time. 583 00:24:07,613 --> 00:24:09,303 But I started getting a little scared. 584 00:24:09,333 --> 00:24:11,623 So I went to a counselor and the spirit would 585 00:24:11,633 --> 00:24:12,633 have me have it. 586 00:24:12,633 --> 00:24:14,743 They took me to the right counselor who said, 587 00:24:14,773 --> 00:24:15,513 Oh, Michelle, Michelle. 588 00:24:15,603 --> 00:24:16,203 What a gift. 589 00:24:16,243 --> 00:24:17,513 Let's get you a mentor. 590 00:24:17,523 --> 00:24:19,363 And I wasn't really sure it was a gift at 591 00:24:19,363 --> 00:24:20,243 this point in time. 592 00:24:20,603 --> 00:24:23,333 So then I found a mentor and I started training 593 00:24:23,333 --> 00:24:24,373 with different people. 594 00:24:24,573 --> 00:24:26,433 And I did that for quite a few years. 595 00:24:26,433 --> 00:24:29,053 What was happening was information was coming through 596 00:24:29,053 --> 00:24:31,733 from spirit, but I didn't feel like I had control over it. 597 00:24:31,743 --> 00:24:33,313 It would just come in out of the blue. 598 00:24:33,633 --> 00:24:34,873 And so I didn't know how to do it. 599 00:24:35,043 --> 00:24:35,893 on demand. 600 00:24:36,163 --> 00:24:39,443 Um, and, and with the mentoring, I really was able 601 00:24:39,443 --> 00:24:40,973 to train it and hone into it. 602 00:24:41,833 --> 00:24:42,203 Rod Bland: Hmm. 603 00:24:42,423 --> 00:24:46,853 And so how, how does your, uh, mediumship in particular, I 604 00:24:46,853 --> 00:24:48,213 find absolutely fascinating. 605 00:24:48,623 --> 00:24:50,303 And, uh, I know for some people it's like 606 00:24:50,303 --> 00:24:51,383 a blending that occurs. 607 00:24:51,393 --> 00:24:53,193 Some people really have to sort of step aside. 608 00:24:53,193 --> 00:24:55,553 Like people like Riz Mirza really sort of steps aside 609 00:24:55,553 --> 00:24:58,723 and others, um, other people I've spoken to, it's not, 610 00:24:58,753 --> 00:24:59,703 it's not like that at all. 611 00:24:59,703 --> 00:25:01,013 And it comes with their experience. 612 00:25:01,023 --> 00:25:03,693 So how does, how does spirit come through with 613 00:25:03,693 --> 00:25:05,673 you, especially when you're getting messages? 614 00:25:06,503 --> 00:25:06,833 Michelle Clare: Yeah. 615 00:25:06,863 --> 00:25:09,993 So most of my information comes through feelings and 616 00:25:09,993 --> 00:25:12,123 I like to describe that as looking at someone that 617 00:25:12,123 --> 00:25:13,973 you know well, and you know exactly what they're going 618 00:25:13,973 --> 00:25:15,193 to say before they say it. 619 00:25:15,468 --> 00:25:16,368 It's just there. 620 00:25:16,368 --> 00:25:18,378 When I'm working with mediumship, I will 621 00:25:18,378 --> 00:25:19,438 feel the number three. 622 00:25:19,438 --> 00:25:20,688 I'll feel the color blue. 623 00:25:20,698 --> 00:25:23,688 I'll feel that grandpa felt like he was 5'10 So 624 00:25:23,688 --> 00:25:25,028 it's really about feeling. 625 00:25:25,048 --> 00:25:27,598 Sometimes I will see things, hear things, or 626 00:25:27,598 --> 00:25:29,018 physically feel things too. 627 00:25:29,913 --> 00:25:30,423 Rod Bland: Wow. 628 00:25:30,623 --> 00:25:34,383 So you've got to translate a feeling into something that 629 00:25:34,393 --> 00:25:36,993 a person that you're talking to can actually understand. 630 00:25:37,668 --> 00:25:38,278 Michelle Clare: Yes. 631 00:25:38,943 --> 00:25:39,283 Rod Bland: Yeah. 632 00:25:39,653 --> 00:25:41,913 Did it take, was that, is that just practice? 633 00:25:41,913 --> 00:25:43,743 Like do you keep getting better with that or 634 00:25:44,033 --> 00:25:45,713 how did you, how did you evolve that skill? 635 00:25:46,318 --> 00:25:46,818 Michelle Clare: Yeah. 636 00:25:46,838 --> 00:25:48,968 So I did, I just started practicing. 637 00:25:48,998 --> 00:25:51,558 I started working with different mentors and then 638 00:25:51,558 --> 00:25:54,968 I actually spent one year before I went into business 639 00:25:54,968 --> 00:25:57,543 doing this professionally Telling everyone I knew, 640 00:25:57,553 --> 00:26:00,153 send me anyone you know that I don't know that wants a 641 00:26:00,153 --> 00:26:02,553 reading so that I can just read them and make sure I'm 642 00:26:02,553 --> 00:26:04,023 getting accurate information. 643 00:26:04,023 --> 00:26:06,503 And it was really about building that trust 644 00:26:06,503 --> 00:26:08,743 within myself that the information was good. 645 00:26:08,753 --> 00:26:11,003 And then the other thing that I did was I actually 646 00:26:11,003 --> 00:26:12,503 became a certified medium. 647 00:26:12,503 --> 00:26:15,793 And the way that that is done, um, what happens is 648 00:26:15,793 --> 00:26:17,613 you have five blind readings. 649 00:26:17,613 --> 00:26:22,103 So they would Skype Wednesday morning at 11, I would log on 650 00:26:22,103 --> 00:26:25,143 to a blank screen and I would just start saying, okay, I 651 00:26:25,153 --> 00:26:27,973 have a young male here who died of traumatic brain injury 652 00:26:27,973 --> 00:26:29,463 and start giving information. 653 00:26:29,783 --> 00:26:31,633 And the person on the other side of the screen 654 00:26:31,633 --> 00:26:33,773 is actually scoring you and giving you points. 655 00:26:33,863 --> 00:26:36,533 So after you do five and you pass them, then you're 656 00:26:36,533 --> 00:26:37,593 officially certified. 657 00:26:38,423 --> 00:26:38,863 Rod Bland: Wow. 658 00:26:38,923 --> 00:26:41,003 I didn't even know that that was, that was a thing. 659 00:26:41,753 --> 00:26:43,083 Michelle Clare: Yes, it is a thing. 660 00:26:43,113 --> 00:26:43,523 I know. 661 00:26:44,003 --> 00:26:47,113 I, I think it's amazing too, because there are a lot of 662 00:26:47,113 --> 00:26:49,473 great mediums who aren't certified or haven't been 663 00:26:49,473 --> 00:26:52,143 vetted, but for somebody who's starting and doesn't 664 00:26:52,143 --> 00:26:54,473 know where to go, it's always great to start with 665 00:26:54,483 --> 00:26:57,413 somebody that actually has, you know, credibility. 666 00:26:58,058 --> 00:27:00,598 Rod Bland: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess it's good. 667 00:27:00,598 --> 00:27:02,758 I mean, it's, it adds this sort of element of trust, 668 00:27:02,758 --> 00:27:04,928 especially for people who may not have ever spoken to 669 00:27:04,928 --> 00:27:07,158 a medium before, knowing, knowing that you've, you've 670 00:27:07,208 --> 00:27:09,478 been through that sort of testing and training. 671 00:27:10,968 --> 00:27:14,538 yeah, before we, we got on the air, we were talking about 672 00:27:14,538 --> 00:27:18,278 whether there was, I've only recently started speaking to 673 00:27:18,278 --> 00:27:21,223 mediums, like I mentioned to you before, We got on, let's 674 00:27:21,233 --> 00:27:25,473 hit the record button, and sometimes I've had my guests 675 00:27:25,483 --> 00:27:28,883 have messages come through for me or for someone in my 676 00:27:29,333 --> 00:27:35,303 family, um, so I don't, I know that your, your sort of the 677 00:27:35,303 --> 00:27:37,223 process for you is a little different, I'm just wondering 678 00:27:37,223 --> 00:27:39,073 whether anything has been coming through while we've 679 00:27:39,073 --> 00:27:40,303 been having our conversation. 680 00:27:41,288 --> 00:27:43,098 Michelle Clare: You know, yeah, there actually is. 681 00:27:43,128 --> 00:27:46,048 So I don't know who has the stronger connection to 682 00:27:46,048 --> 00:27:48,528 water, you or your brother, but there's a really 683 00:27:48,528 --> 00:27:49,848 strong connection to water. 684 00:27:50,208 --> 00:27:51,968 So I need to acknowledge that. 685 00:27:52,008 --> 00:27:54,738 I also need to acknowledge him saying that he, okay, 686 00:27:54,758 --> 00:27:56,478 he taps you on the shoulder. 687 00:27:56,498 --> 00:27:58,198 So there's something about when you're with 688 00:27:58,198 --> 00:28:00,048 the water, whether you're at the ocean or at the 689 00:28:00,048 --> 00:28:01,868 beach or whatever you're doing, are you a surfer? 690 00:28:01,878 --> 00:28:03,128 Are you out there in the water? 691 00:28:03,628 --> 00:28:05,128 Um, whatever this 692 00:28:05,263 --> 00:28:06,273 Rod Bland: I just really like it. 693 00:28:06,273 --> 00:28:07,953 And I've never been able to really understand why. 694 00:28:08,153 --> 00:28:10,873 And I should point out my, because, because we talked 695 00:28:10,873 --> 00:28:13,143 about this before I hit the record button, my brother 696 00:28:13,483 --> 00:28:15,473 passed away when he was 18 years old, about 30 years 697 00:28:15,473 --> 00:28:16,513 ago in a car accident. 698 00:28:16,523 --> 00:28:17,943 So now people know who you're talking about 699 00:28:17,943 --> 00:28:18,753 when you say my brother. 700 00:28:19,368 --> 00:28:22,028 Michelle Clare: okay, he, um, he's telling me he taps 701 00:28:22,028 --> 00:28:25,438 you on the shoulder, so that connection with water is also 702 00:28:25,448 --> 00:28:28,108 a connection with him, so I feel like you'll get more 703 00:28:28,108 --> 00:28:30,808 messages or insights from him when you're around the water, 704 00:28:31,058 --> 00:28:33,738 but he's also talking about sending you a lot of music 705 00:28:33,738 --> 00:28:37,098 and a lot of songs, so pay attention to what's coming on. 706 00:28:37,128 --> 00:28:39,413 And He's showing me two coins. 707 00:28:39,483 --> 00:28:41,883 So I think you should find coins when you're walking 708 00:28:41,883 --> 00:28:44,213 through parking lots or in the grocery store Whatever 709 00:28:44,213 --> 00:28:48,413 that looks like he's also talking about too Um with 710 00:28:48,413 --> 00:28:52,493 him so he is he is talking about wanting to live like 711 00:28:52,663 --> 00:28:56,213 He was very fun and young so I want to say your brother 712 00:28:56,213 --> 00:28:58,683 was most likely the life of the party I can feel that 713 00:28:58,683 --> 00:29:01,658 in his energy Where he would just light up a room when he 714 00:29:01,658 --> 00:29:05,308 walks in so he's sharing that too and he does this funny 715 00:29:05,308 --> 00:29:08,448 thing Was so who was there in the military around him? 716 00:29:08,458 --> 00:29:10,918 Did you have a grandfather or somebody in the military 717 00:29:10,958 --> 00:29:13,508 because he's saluting there's a salute coming in too. 718 00:29:14,033 --> 00:29:14,713 Rod Bland: Oh, okay. 719 00:29:14,713 --> 00:29:18,203 Well, my, my grandfather was in the, in the Australian 720 00:29:18,303 --> 00:29:19,683 army during World War II. 721 00:29:20,473 --> 00:29:21,773 Um, yeah. 722 00:29:22,388 --> 00:29:23,318 Michelle Clare: so let me acknowledge 723 00:29:23,318 --> 00:29:24,618 him coming in because 724 00:29:24,668 --> 00:29:27,258 Your your brother is bringing him in because I know we're 725 00:29:27,258 --> 00:29:29,628 in the military because he keeps doing this so he's 726 00:29:29,908 --> 00:29:31,008 Acknowledging that too. 727 00:29:31,008 --> 00:29:33,178 So not only do you have your brother supporting you. 728 00:29:33,318 --> 00:29:36,098 You've got grandpa coming in too You Um, and your 729 00:29:36,098 --> 00:29:39,688 grandpa's funny because your grandpa just has a 730 00:29:39,708 --> 00:29:41,138 different view on life. 731 00:29:41,158 --> 00:29:44,198 And I think what you're doing right now is almost a little 732 00:29:44,198 --> 00:29:46,028 bit like mind blowing for him. 733 00:29:46,338 --> 00:29:48,498 Um, but he loves to, I'm going to use the 734 00:29:48,498 --> 00:29:52,448 word eavesdrop on these podcasts and these things 735 00:29:52,458 --> 00:29:54,968 that you're doing because he is still learning and 736 00:29:54,968 --> 00:29:56,508 growing from the other side. 737 00:29:56,768 --> 00:29:58,598 And that's really important for you to know. 738 00:29:59,178 --> 00:29:59,408 Rod Bland: Yeah. 739 00:29:59,408 --> 00:30:00,498 He was a real character. 740 00:30:00,528 --> 00:30:03,128 My, my granddad, so he passed when I was like in 741 00:30:03,128 --> 00:30:06,938 my early twenties, but he was just always making fun 742 00:30:06,988 --> 00:30:09,058 of everything all the time. 743 00:30:09,128 --> 00:30:10,778 He didn't, didn't take life too seriously. 744 00:30:11,408 --> 00:30:12,888 Michelle Clare: Yeah, he's the one who plays 745 00:30:12,888 --> 00:30:14,028 with your electricity. 746 00:30:14,028 --> 00:30:15,248 So I want to say that. 747 00:30:15,328 --> 00:30:18,748 Um, if you have flickering lights or the radio comes 748 00:30:18,748 --> 00:30:21,318 on by itself, I want to connect that to your grandpa. 749 00:30:21,878 --> 00:30:22,388 Rod Bland: Okay. 750 00:30:22,388 --> 00:30:24,143 Yeah. 751 00:30:24,378 --> 00:30:24,698 Michelle Clare: Yeah. 752 00:30:24,998 --> 00:30:27,778 Does somebody have, um, Well, I don't know. 753 00:30:27,778 --> 00:30:31,068 I want to say either like a metal or a ribbon or something 754 00:30:31,068 --> 00:30:33,878 that he had because he's he's wanting I don't know how 755 00:30:33,888 --> 00:30:36,438 what your military uniforms look like, but in the U. 756 00:30:36,438 --> 00:30:36,678 S. 757 00:30:36,708 --> 00:30:39,638 We have like They have like metals or ribbons that they 758 00:30:39,638 --> 00:30:41,858 would wear on their shoulder. 759 00:30:41,858 --> 00:30:43,458 And he's keeps pointing to this. 760 00:30:45,358 --> 00:30:47,008 Rod Bland: I, I'd have to ask my mom about this. 761 00:30:47,008 --> 00:30:47,288 I know that. 762 00:30:47,498 --> 00:30:51,358 My granddad did have some medals that came from his 763 00:30:51,358 --> 00:30:55,758 time in service, but I'm not sure who they are with. 764 00:30:55,758 --> 00:30:57,028 I think they might be with mum. 765 00:30:58,153 --> 00:30:58,583 Michelle Clare: Okay. 766 00:30:58,853 --> 00:31:00,843 So he's just acknowledging that too for you. 767 00:31:01,348 --> 00:31:01,688 Rod Bland: Hmm. 768 00:31:01,988 --> 00:31:02,328 Hmm. 769 00:31:03,018 --> 00:31:03,508 Cool. 770 00:31:03,568 --> 00:31:04,078 Okay. 771 00:31:04,548 --> 00:31:08,278 Um, you know, I haven't, it's cause my brother's been 772 00:31:08,278 --> 00:31:09,298 gone for such a long time. 773 00:31:09,298 --> 00:31:13,198 I haven't really like thought about him for, I 774 00:31:13,198 --> 00:31:15,913 don't, you know, I don't think about him every day, 775 00:31:15,923 --> 00:31:19,383 but it's, I think about him more now, especially when 776 00:31:19,383 --> 00:31:21,533 I'm talking to, to mediums. 777 00:31:22,273 --> 00:31:25,983 So, yeah, it's, um, it's good to know that, you 778 00:31:25,983 --> 00:31:27,603 know, there's a, there's a way to connect still. 779 00:31:28,503 --> 00:31:29,703 Michelle Clare: Oh, absolutely. 780 00:31:29,763 --> 00:31:31,693 And you know, everyone can connect. 781 00:31:31,733 --> 00:31:35,703 So really this is a muscle that every human has and we 782 00:31:35,703 --> 00:31:37,143 just start practicing with it. 783 00:31:37,173 --> 00:31:39,333 So you can ask him to send you a sign. 784 00:31:39,693 --> 00:31:42,973 You can ask him to get your attention in a special way. 785 00:31:42,993 --> 00:31:45,933 Maybe you'll see his initials or his birth date somewhere 786 00:31:45,933 --> 00:31:46,973 or something like that. 787 00:31:47,343 --> 00:31:50,873 But it really starts whether we're aware of our loved ones 788 00:31:50,873 --> 00:31:52,523 or not, they are aware of us. 789 00:31:52,583 --> 00:31:55,283 And that connection and that relationship and that love, 790 00:31:55,283 --> 00:31:56,903 it absolutely lives on. 791 00:31:57,328 --> 00:31:57,688 Rod Bland: Okay. 792 00:31:57,688 --> 00:32:00,728 So I have a question about, um, uh, ETs. 793 00:32:00,728 --> 00:32:03,588 Cause as in extra, extraterrestrial, 794 00:32:04,138 --> 00:32:04,968 uh, connections. 795 00:32:05,038 --> 00:32:08,418 Have you ever had any, any, um, one coming through who 796 00:32:08,418 --> 00:32:11,268 is not of this planet or is from another dimension? 797 00:32:11,763 --> 00:32:14,023 Michelle Clare: You know, I actually have connected to, 798 00:32:14,053 --> 00:32:16,233 um, yes, in other dimensions. 799 00:32:16,233 --> 00:32:18,323 I have, I have, I don't usually have that happen 800 00:32:18,323 --> 00:32:20,733 during readings, but that will happen for me when 801 00:32:20,733 --> 00:32:23,853 I'm in meditation or going to get my own information. 802 00:32:24,378 --> 00:32:25,078 Rod Bland: Okay, cool. 803 00:32:25,238 --> 00:32:26,728 I love hearing about this, these sort of 804 00:32:26,878 --> 00:32:27,118 Michelle Clare: Yeah, 805 00:32:27,168 --> 00:32:27,928 Rod Bland: tell us about that. 806 00:32:28,558 --> 00:32:29,048 Michelle Clare: okay. 807 00:32:29,068 --> 00:32:30,938 So the way that I do mediumship, 808 00:32:30,958 --> 00:32:32,028 there's a couple of different ways. 809 00:32:32,028 --> 00:32:34,008 I like to compare it to a radio. 810 00:32:34,018 --> 00:32:37,428 So I can tune into a specific channel. 811 00:32:38,168 --> 00:32:41,248 So if I'm wanting to connect to the angelic channel, I'll 812 00:32:41,248 --> 00:32:44,048 go to channel 111 or if I want to connect to the ET 813 00:32:44,048 --> 00:32:45,528 channel, I can go to 103. 814 00:32:45,828 --> 00:32:48,228 So I can really guide and direct it or if 815 00:32:48,228 --> 00:32:50,663 I have somebody Who's just like, I don't know, 816 00:32:50,663 --> 00:32:51,473 what do you have for me? 817 00:32:51,473 --> 00:32:54,613 Then I kind of open up and scan like a radio would scan. 818 00:32:54,663 --> 00:32:58,393 So if I'm wanting to connect with a specific energy, 819 00:32:58,393 --> 00:33:00,973 let's say Pleiadians or something like that, I 820 00:33:00,973 --> 00:33:02,593 actually target that energy. 821 00:33:02,593 --> 00:33:05,383 And so it would be like, okay, I'm going into my meditation 822 00:33:05,623 --> 00:33:09,123 and at this meditation, I want to target Pleiadians and 823 00:33:09,123 --> 00:33:11,473 I want to see what messages they have for me today. 824 00:33:11,908 --> 00:33:14,658 Very often when I'm communicating with ETs, 825 00:33:14,728 --> 00:33:17,908 getting messages for them, and this is true for most 826 00:33:17,908 --> 00:33:22,038 mediums or channels also, that energy of the ET is 827 00:33:22,068 --> 00:33:23,528 still in a body somewhere. 828 00:33:23,538 --> 00:33:26,238 They're masters at telepathic communication. 829 00:33:26,568 --> 00:33:28,538 So it's not like I'm connecting with 830 00:33:28,538 --> 00:33:29,558 one who has died. 831 00:33:29,558 --> 00:33:31,388 I'm actually connecting with one that is still 832 00:33:31,388 --> 00:33:32,348 in the body somewhere. 833 00:33:32,608 --> 00:33:34,678 And one thing that I've found is they all tend to live 834 00:33:34,678 --> 00:33:36,068 a lot longer than humans. 835 00:33:36,873 --> 00:33:37,643 Rod Bland: Oh, interesting. 836 00:33:38,523 --> 00:33:38,953 Yeah. 837 00:33:39,163 --> 00:33:43,243 Well, humans apparently used to live a lot longer 838 00:33:43,243 --> 00:33:44,193 than what we do now. 839 00:33:44,273 --> 00:33:46,853 It was like many hundreds of years, and it's only been, and 840 00:33:46,853 --> 00:33:49,143 then it sort of went, during Egyptian times, it really 841 00:33:49,173 --> 00:33:52,353 reduced down to 40 or 50, and now it's a little longer, but 842 00:33:52,353 --> 00:33:56,143 we've kind of settled on this, you know, 80, 80ish period. 843 00:33:56,913 --> 00:33:57,403 So. 844 00:33:58,223 --> 00:34:00,783 I know you've probably had many, many, many experiences 845 00:34:00,783 --> 00:34:03,753 that really stand out, but is there any one particular, 846 00:34:03,823 --> 00:34:06,353 uh, spiritual or supernatural experience that stands 847 00:34:06,353 --> 00:34:08,013 out for you that would be interesting to talk about? 848 00:34:08,358 --> 00:34:08,858 Michelle Clare: Mm. 849 00:34:09,168 --> 00:34:11,428 Well, there's one reading that I did that was really 850 00:34:11,428 --> 00:34:15,328 amazing, and I was reading for this RN, and her mom was 851 00:34:15,328 --> 00:34:18,508 in hospice dying, and she had eight children, and she 852 00:34:18,508 --> 00:34:20,008 was still working full time. 853 00:34:20,518 --> 00:34:22,938 And so when I was in this reading with her, I could just 854 00:34:22,938 --> 00:34:24,658 feel her energy was depleted. 855 00:34:24,668 --> 00:34:28,458 She was completely body, mind, spirit, just running on empty. 856 00:34:28,888 --> 00:34:30,478 And Mother Teresa came in. 857 00:34:30,488 --> 00:34:32,588 And at that point in time, I was like, Oh! 858 00:34:32,958 --> 00:34:34,018 Mother Teresa's here. 859 00:34:34,038 --> 00:34:35,668 And she says, she's like, well, I worked 860 00:34:35,668 --> 00:34:36,358 with her in Calcutta. 861 00:34:36,358 --> 00:34:37,838 And I was like, Oh my gosh. 862 00:34:37,878 --> 00:34:38,308 Okay. 863 00:34:38,698 --> 00:34:41,708 So mother Teresa came in and she said to her, she said, 864 00:34:42,068 --> 00:34:46,338 I never lost sight of giving like service to myself. 865 00:34:46,728 --> 00:34:48,568 She said, if I had, I wouldn't have been 866 00:34:48,568 --> 00:34:49,798 able to serve others. 867 00:34:49,838 --> 00:34:52,928 And she was really giving this woman, this beautiful message 868 00:34:52,928 --> 00:34:55,978 about take care of you so that you can help your family. 869 00:34:55,978 --> 00:34:58,828 You can help your mom, you can help your patients, but you've 870 00:34:58,828 --> 00:35:00,418 got to start with yourself. 871 00:35:00,438 --> 00:35:02,128 And I just thought that was so. 872 00:35:02,583 --> 00:35:05,923 Beautiful to have someone like Mother Teresa, who we 873 00:35:05,923 --> 00:35:09,563 know is such a giver and helped so many, many, many 874 00:35:09,563 --> 00:35:12,783 humans to come through and say, Hey, don't forget to take 875 00:35:12,793 --> 00:35:15,863 care of you first, because that has to happen before 876 00:35:15,863 --> 00:35:17,043 you can help everyone else. 877 00:35:17,393 --> 00:35:19,213 So that was one of my favorite readings. 878 00:35:20,033 --> 00:35:20,453 Rod Bland: Hmm. 879 00:35:20,513 --> 00:35:21,343 That's really good advice. 880 00:35:21,343 --> 00:35:24,113 I was only just talking to someone about this yesterday. 881 00:35:24,613 --> 00:35:28,743 Uh, one of my guests and when I was, uh, so 882 00:35:28,743 --> 00:35:29,533 I've got four children. 883 00:35:29,533 --> 00:35:33,503 So when my second, so when my daughter, who's my second 884 00:35:33,503 --> 00:35:38,153 youngest was born, this was my new, with my new relationship. 885 00:35:38,153 --> 00:35:39,543 So April and I had just been married. 886 00:35:39,543 --> 00:35:40,733 So we've been married seven years now. 887 00:35:41,223 --> 00:35:44,633 And I had this real tightness in my throat. 888 00:35:44,633 --> 00:35:46,103 It was like this. 889 00:35:46,628 --> 00:35:50,038 Wasn't quite pain, but it was, it was even worse than pain. 890 00:35:50,038 --> 00:35:50,808 It was really awful. 891 00:35:51,078 --> 00:35:51,968 It was a real tightness. 892 00:35:52,148 --> 00:35:54,068 Uh, just, it was always there with me from 893 00:35:54,068 --> 00:35:54,908 the moment I woke up. 894 00:35:55,208 --> 00:35:57,028 I got to the point where I just couldn't wait until I 895 00:35:57,028 --> 00:35:58,908 went to sleep because then I would get some relief. 896 00:35:58,918 --> 00:36:00,138 There was nothing that could fix it. 897 00:36:00,958 --> 00:36:05,368 And, um, I realised that at some point that I thought 898 00:36:05,388 --> 00:36:08,468 the right thing to do was, it was all about, because it was 899 00:36:08,528 --> 00:36:12,318 April's first baby, everything was about, you know, getting 900 00:36:12,328 --> 00:36:13,038 in the little cocoon. 901 00:36:13,388 --> 00:36:17,823 I had my two other sons as well, and I thought that Felt 902 00:36:17,823 --> 00:36:20,303 like it wasn't appropriate for me to, you know, even 903 00:36:20,303 --> 00:36:22,953 talk about anything, what else I needed, what my son's 904 00:36:22,953 --> 00:36:24,923 needed, you know, how we were going to make this all work. 905 00:36:25,373 --> 00:36:28,423 And in hindsight, that was what was causing 906 00:36:28,423 --> 00:36:31,843 this, this not speaking up, was causing this real 907 00:36:31,883 --> 00:36:34,413 tension and pain in here. 908 00:36:34,853 --> 00:36:37,533 And it's like you say, it's like you really have 909 00:36:37,533 --> 00:36:39,233 to look out for yourself. 910 00:36:39,703 --> 00:36:41,233 And a lot of people don't. 911 00:36:41,243 --> 00:36:44,793 A lot of people think that it's necessary for them 912 00:36:44,903 --> 00:36:47,273 just to, that they'd be selfish if they have to 913 00:36:47,273 --> 00:36:48,283 think about themselves. 914 00:36:48,283 --> 00:36:50,263 But really it's kind of the opposite. 915 00:36:50,283 --> 00:36:53,353 We, we look after ourselves and meet our own needs, 916 00:36:53,353 --> 00:36:55,863 then that allows us to give more freely to others. 917 00:36:56,948 --> 00:36:57,788 Michelle Clare: Absolutely. 918 00:36:57,798 --> 00:37:00,618 And even when we're talking about our jobs 919 00:37:00,618 --> 00:37:03,418 or our passions, our hobbies, we really want 920 00:37:03,418 --> 00:37:04,778 to honor our soul first. 921 00:37:04,798 --> 00:37:05,318 So you're right. 922 00:37:05,318 --> 00:37:08,158 We live in a world where you're taught that selfish, 923 00:37:08,188 --> 00:37:11,518 but here's the thing by me following my soul's calling, 924 00:37:11,518 --> 00:37:14,398 which is to be a medium is actually how I help and 925 00:37:14,398 --> 00:37:16,178 serve others naturally. 926 00:37:16,178 --> 00:37:20,358 So our natural ability to help others comes after we serve 927 00:37:20,358 --> 00:37:23,168 ourselves first, or somebody who's a neurosurgeon or. 928 00:37:23,808 --> 00:37:25,798 Whatever you want to be in this world, right? 929 00:37:25,858 --> 00:37:28,898 A baker or whatever, but it's about following the 930 00:37:28,898 --> 00:37:31,538 calling of your heart and the passion and inspiration 931 00:37:31,548 --> 00:37:32,898 and serving that first. 932 00:37:32,928 --> 00:37:35,548 And by that you will automatically serve others. 933 00:37:36,453 --> 00:37:37,471 Rod Bland: Now, I want to ask you something that 934 00:37:37,471 --> 00:37:39,153 I've not asked any of my other guests before. 935 00:37:39,693 --> 00:37:44,328 Um, I had this sort of, revelation yesterday from 936 00:37:44,328 --> 00:37:47,218 what a guest said to me that because spirit is 937 00:37:47,218 --> 00:37:47,858 in everything, right? 938 00:37:47,898 --> 00:37:49,998 You can say God or the universe is within everything. 939 00:37:50,048 --> 00:37:54,788 So, um, whatever it is that you can discuss, 940 00:37:54,788 --> 00:37:56,608 there's, there's sort of a consciousness to 941 00:37:56,608 --> 00:37:59,178 it and even things like YouTube channels, right? 942 00:37:59,178 --> 00:38:02,718 So a YouTube channel, I like the, I'm just, this is 943 00:38:02,718 --> 00:38:03,608 just coming to my head now. 944 00:38:04,188 --> 00:38:08,498 It has its own consciousness and sort of evolution that's 945 00:38:08,508 --> 00:38:13,978 going to occur and Um, you can almost say it's own 946 00:38:14,018 --> 00:38:15,338 needs and wants as well. 947 00:38:15,338 --> 00:38:15,688 Right? 948 00:38:16,118 --> 00:38:18,648 So I'm, I'm sitting here going, well, I'm conscious 949 00:38:18,648 --> 00:38:23,678 to making sure that I'm actually serving the purpose 950 00:38:23,708 --> 00:38:25,388 that the YouTube channel has. 951 00:38:25,408 --> 00:38:27,948 Now, I think that I'm going down the right, right road, 952 00:38:27,948 --> 00:38:30,488 but I don't really, you know, I don't know for sure. 953 00:38:30,488 --> 00:38:33,108 And I'm going to have to stumble as I go, but I'm just 954 00:38:33,108 --> 00:38:35,908 wondering whether you've had, whether you have any insights 955 00:38:35,908 --> 00:38:37,898 for me with respect to that. 956 00:38:38,523 --> 00:38:38,803 Michelle Clare: Yeah. 957 00:38:38,803 --> 00:38:40,123 With your YouTube channel? 958 00:38:40,348 --> 00:38:40,678 Rod Bland: Yeah. 959 00:38:41,303 --> 00:38:41,663 Michelle Clare: Yeah. 960 00:38:41,683 --> 00:38:44,203 So I'm gonna, the one thing that I hear Spirit saying 961 00:38:44,213 --> 00:38:46,763 is it's a lot like my near death experience, where 962 00:38:46,763 --> 00:38:49,183 it's like, just trust the next step, the next step. 963 00:38:49,513 --> 00:38:50,743 It is going to come up. 964 00:38:50,743 --> 00:38:52,613 It's like the step on the escalator. 965 00:38:52,873 --> 00:38:56,388 So I feel like it is going to have, It's a life of its 966 00:38:56,388 --> 00:38:59,748 own for lack of a better, um, word, but you are the guide 967 00:38:59,748 --> 00:39:02,838 or the, you are the life guide for that channel is how I'm 968 00:39:02,838 --> 00:39:04,288 going to frame you right now. 969 00:39:04,548 --> 00:39:07,388 And so it's really going to be about you honoring 970 00:39:07,388 --> 00:39:10,028 your connection to spirit and the insights and the 971 00:39:10,028 --> 00:39:12,608 whispers and the things that you're feeling pulled to do. 972 00:39:13,163 --> 00:39:16,243 Spirit talks to all of us, but it really is usually like 973 00:39:16,243 --> 00:39:17,883 that whisper or that pull. 974 00:39:17,883 --> 00:39:21,163 It's not usually loud thundering voices, right? 975 00:39:21,513 --> 00:39:24,283 But with that, I do feel like there's so, so, so 976 00:39:24,283 --> 00:39:27,103 much potential for it to grow, and it's needed 977 00:39:27,103 --> 00:39:28,263 now more than ever. 978 00:39:28,283 --> 00:39:31,743 So really, the key to it, whenever we're a small 979 00:39:31,743 --> 00:39:34,423 business owner, or running a YouTube channel, or 980 00:39:34,633 --> 00:39:36,873 an Instagram page, or whatever that is, we need 981 00:39:36,873 --> 00:39:40,748 to realize, Those things are running off of our energy. 982 00:39:40,778 --> 00:39:44,678 So if you are the run one, who it's your page, it's actually 983 00:39:44,678 --> 00:39:46,038 going to run off your energy. 984 00:39:46,168 --> 00:39:48,348 So when you're feeling inspired, when you're feeling 985 00:39:48,348 --> 00:39:50,788 happy, when you're feeling connected, you'll actually 986 00:39:50,788 --> 00:39:52,118 watch it thrive more. 987 00:39:52,128 --> 00:39:53,178 And I would say this. 988 00:39:53,523 --> 00:39:55,033 I have no worries about it. 989 00:39:55,033 --> 00:39:57,463 Just keep taking the next step because it feels like 990 00:39:57,463 --> 00:39:58,663 it's going to be really great. 991 00:39:59,348 --> 00:39:59,708 Rod Bland: Hmm. 992 00:39:59,818 --> 00:40:00,728 Just keep taking the next step. 993 00:40:00,728 --> 00:40:01,488 That's really useful. 994 00:40:02,088 --> 00:40:06,768 Um, what advice would you have for 25 year old Michelle? 995 00:40:08,143 --> 00:40:09,723 Michelle Clare: Oh gosh, I'd say don't 996 00:40:09,733 --> 00:40:11,303 take life so seriously. 997 00:40:11,633 --> 00:40:13,493 I would also say don't believe everything you've 998 00:40:13,493 --> 00:40:15,883 been taught or told or you see on the news. 999 00:40:16,323 --> 00:40:22,043 Um, and I would also really want to tell her that even 1000 00:40:22,043 --> 00:40:24,583 with the most traumatic heart events that would 1001 00:40:24,583 --> 00:40:27,823 come up in her lifetime, Spirit would always bring 1002 00:40:27,823 --> 00:40:29,463 in the most amazing humans. 1003 00:40:29,463 --> 00:40:32,133 And that even in those moments where I could not 1004 00:40:32,133 --> 00:40:36,503 take my next breath, there was always a friend, a family 1005 00:40:36,503 --> 00:40:40,093 member, someone to love me, to help me, to guide me, 1006 00:40:40,653 --> 00:40:43,503 and really wanting to remind myself that none of us are 1007 00:40:43,503 --> 00:40:44,923 ever living this life alone. 1008 00:40:44,933 --> 00:40:48,523 Not only are we surrounded by humans that are amazing, 1009 00:40:48,523 --> 00:40:51,403 but we have our angels, our life guides, and our 1010 00:40:51,403 --> 00:40:52,963 loved ones in spirit too. 1011 00:40:54,008 --> 00:40:54,488 Rod Bland: Awesome. 1012 00:40:54,898 --> 00:40:57,258 Now Michelle, people are going to want to ask you questions. 1013 00:40:57,298 --> 00:40:59,788 Uh, is, are you open to that and what's the best 1014 00:40:59,788 --> 00:41:00,738 way for them to do that? 1015 00:41:01,358 --> 00:41:03,508 Michelle Clare: Yeah, so, um, you can reach me through 1016 00:41:03,508 --> 00:41:06,708 my website, michelleclare. 1017 00:41:06,718 --> 00:41:10,518 net, and you can shoot me an email or book an 1018 00:41:10,518 --> 00:41:12,348 appointment, whatever you'd like to do there. 1019 00:41:13,238 --> 00:41:13,578 Rod Bland: All right. 1020 00:41:13,618 --> 00:41:16,008 And tell us about what you have going on as like, what 1021 00:41:16,008 --> 00:41:17,198 sort of services do you have? 1022 00:41:17,278 --> 00:41:18,228 Have you written any books? 1023 00:41:18,768 --> 00:41:21,388 How does all that work in case people want to get a brief of 1024 00:41:21,388 --> 00:41:22,478 that before they contact you? 1025 00:41:23,178 --> 00:41:25,288 Michelle Clare: Yeah, so I do angel readings, life 1026 00:41:25,288 --> 00:41:28,128 guide readings, connections with loved ones, psychic, I 1027 00:41:28,128 --> 00:41:29,828 also do medical intuition. 1028 00:41:30,203 --> 00:41:31,673 So all of those are options. 1029 00:41:31,703 --> 00:41:33,813 I have just finished my first book. 1030 00:41:34,133 --> 00:41:37,323 I have a couple agents, um, literary agents that are 1031 00:41:37,323 --> 00:41:41,053 interested in it, and it's called Emergence of a Medium. 1032 00:41:41,083 --> 00:41:44,153 It's the longest second emergence of a medium. 1033 00:41:44,153 --> 00:41:47,213 And it got that title because I asked Spirit, I said, 1034 00:41:47,243 --> 00:41:50,533 Spirit, how long would you say our life on earth is, 1035 00:41:50,583 --> 00:41:52,953 you know, when we're talking about the scope of eternity? 1036 00:41:53,268 --> 00:41:55,278 And spirit said to me, Michelle, it's just 1037 00:41:55,388 --> 00:41:56,528 the longest second. 1038 00:41:56,958 --> 00:42:00,178 So it's titled the longest second emergence of a medium. 1039 00:42:00,178 --> 00:42:02,608 And I'm hopeful that'll be coming out within the year. 1040 00:42:03,483 --> 00:42:04,383 Rod Bland: Oh, that's amazing. 1041 00:42:04,433 --> 00:42:06,803 When your book comes out, you have to get in touch and 1042 00:42:06,993 --> 00:42:09,343 we'll have you back on the channel to get an update. 1043 00:42:09,343 --> 00:42:12,773 Um, all right. 1044 00:42:12,833 --> 00:42:15,633 Now, any, any last messages for people that 1045 00:42:15,633 --> 00:42:16,543 are watching this video? 1046 00:42:17,748 --> 00:42:19,528 Michelle Clare: You know, I just want to remind people 1047 00:42:19,538 --> 00:42:22,298 that one of our strongest gifts of free will is 1048 00:42:22,298 --> 00:42:24,988 actually in our perception of situations, right? 1049 00:42:24,998 --> 00:42:27,048 This is a place where we have free will and 1050 00:42:27,048 --> 00:42:29,438 we don't exercise it as much as we need to. 1051 00:42:30,018 --> 00:42:33,068 So really take a moment and think about how you want 1052 00:42:33,068 --> 00:42:36,498 to see Situations that have happened in your life because 1053 00:42:36,498 --> 00:42:39,258 we can really look at them in a way that appears to be 1054 00:42:39,258 --> 00:42:42,438 heavy and drag us down or we can look at them in ways that 1055 00:42:42,448 --> 00:42:45,518 make us feel lighter and bring us actually closer to source. 1056 00:42:45,548 --> 00:42:48,558 So really at the end of the day, yes, you have free will 1057 00:42:48,558 --> 00:42:51,318 in your decision making, but the one way to change your 1058 00:42:51,398 --> 00:42:54,588 life is to really focus on your thoughts and changing 1059 00:42:54,588 --> 00:42:57,528 them so that you are seeing things from a positive light. 1060 00:42:57,588 --> 00:42:59,788 And with time, you'll really be able to look 1061 00:42:59,788 --> 00:43:00,888 at the world that way. 1062 00:43:02,123 --> 00:43:03,263 Rod Bland: Oh, that's really useful. 1063 00:43:03,633 --> 00:43:05,933 Things happen for us, not to us. 1064 00:43:06,368 --> 00:43:06,928 Michelle Clare: Mm hmm. 1065 00:43:07,313 --> 00:43:07,743 Rod Bland: Yeah. 1066 00:43:08,503 --> 00:43:09,913 Michelle, it's been my pleasure to have you 1067 00:43:09,913 --> 00:43:10,723 on the channel today. 1068 00:43:10,743 --> 00:43:11,743 Thanks for being my guest. 1069 00:43:11,793 --> 00:43:12,793 Michelle Clare: Oh, thank you so much. 1070 00:43:12,793 --> 00:43:14,613 It's been an honor and a pleasure to be here.