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to warrior Saint.

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Welcome to the...

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you

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Yeah, philosophy teacher once, he had this really funny line, said that uh anybody with
any kind of power wears a funny hat.

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You have a funny hat, yeah, there a lot of funny hats.

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of funny hat.

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That's funny.

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I never thought about it that way.

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But I actually like, I like, I like dressing.

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I'm not here, you know, on radio.

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I'm not this second, but I actually like dressing to an audience.

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do.

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That's actually important to me.

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Yeah.

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So you're not seeing the best of me today.

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And the people don't have to look at me.

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I'm kind of slabbing a slacker today.

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m

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I actually...

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I kind of was very inspired by my teacher because he always held himself out as dressing
like a king.

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And I was not getting that at all, but now I actually do.

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I generally like to dress my best and I like to dress very elegantly.

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So what's that for you?

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What are you wearing?

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Oh, you know, well, not only where I have a turban, which I normally wear, but often I'll
wear, you know, beautiful gowns and pearls and what's tougher in New York is you're afraid

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somebody's going to jump on you on the subway, right?

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Actually, you know, I can't dress like because I don't think I'd make it home alive.

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Really?

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Because you'd just be all blinged out.

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blinged out.

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I'm a blinger.

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I'm like totally when given the opportunity I like to totally bling out and to wear really
big sparkly jewels and pearls and beautiful silk vests from China and all that.

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I love that.

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Huh.

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And it's funny because I met my teacher and he was like that and I was actually offended
by this.

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that is very non-spiritual, eventually he won me over.

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sometimes I'll dress down like I am today just in jeans and a New York giant t-shirt.

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It's more arresting for people to see you wearing a giant t-shirt and a leather jacket
with a turban on it.

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no, it's not.

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fact, I'll tell you a funny story that's happened last week.

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You know, in our tradition, we have something called Bana.

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Bana means, it's like an official Bana dress, you know, of a Sikh, you know.

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But in general, means your physical projection.

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And it's actually an important part of our lifestyle.

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It's one of the legs of the table, sort of the four legs of the table.

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Bana, Bani, Simran and Seva.

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Bani is the scriptural teachings.

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That's uh Bani.

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And Seva is service.

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And Simran is meditation.

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And Bani is your appearance.

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So it's actually one of the four uh legs of the table.

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body, service, meditation, and projection.

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ah No, projection, uh like the word of the guru, the actual teachings, uh meditation on
God's name and service to humanity.

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That's the four legs that this thing stands on.

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oh And so, Bhaan is one quarter of them.

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I never quite got that, but later on I got that.

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It's really funny.

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I see the show What Not to Wear.

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Have seen that?

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to me is some-

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Spiritual Show on television.

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Alright, you know, mean, okay, let me, yeah, I can go with you on that.

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At first, I hated that show.

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I thought it was so mean, and I thought that, what's her face?

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with the whites.

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yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, America's favorite team.

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And I thought it was awful.

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But yeah, actually, we had her on the morning show on Martha.

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She's I mean, she's dynamic.

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She's a really cool person.

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I mean, she was very.

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Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what I took away from her thing is that I mean, they have to,
I could understand once I got to that, that station in life that, okay, you have to make a

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TV show, you have to make it interesting, there has to be some drama and that, you know,
all parties have to be responsible for themselves.

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So the people that they take on the show, and they rip their closet apart and you know,
throw away their beloved.

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That's a spiritual teacher.

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It is, yeah.

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You have to get rid of your baggage.

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what a spiritual teacher does.

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They, they not.

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spiritual teacher will just be a hammer.

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They'll rip you apart and they'll help you build yourself back together again.

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And that is a great spiritual teacher.

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Good spiritual teacher is going to just totally dismember you and show you who you are.

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strip away all the veneer of all the lies.

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Show you for who you are and give you the tools to be what you can be that's a great
teacher and so to me that great teachers because If you really watch that show with this

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what happens?

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People start to show and they they're their Bona is screwed up Their Bona is screwed the
bond of their projection is is a mess But this is actually always a reflection of their

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consciousness

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because they don't feel good about themselves.

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hate themselves.

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They're actually saying to the world, hate myself.

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And there's a congruence.

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And often they feel very misunderstood, as they should be, because they want people to
have a certain uh take on them, but what they're projecting is not that.

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And so what these spiritual teachers are doing through clothing is actually

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They totally get who this person is.

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They get it.

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And it's not like they're telling them to dress like somebody else should dress.

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They're showing them how to dress to be themselves so that they're congruent on the
outside and the inside so there's no misunderstanding.

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And to me, that's what Bana is, is that...

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what you are on the outside is an accurate reflection of who you are on the inside, that
everything about you is congruent.

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So your outer projection of the world is absolutely important.

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And you can see at the end of the show, all these shows that people are very uplifted and
in tears and they don't necessarily dress the same way, but they feel like...

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Whoever they're showing themselves to be is actually the best of what they are.

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And so I think these people are like very tapped into something.

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They can actually see the person who they are and they get it and they can find a way for
the person to understand that and to present themselves in a way that's congruent.

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I think it's really uplifting.

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Man, yeah, I really I do have to agree with you and I think it's really interesting that I
think somehow the message got lost and maybe Maybe the hippies had something to do with

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that I don't know but I think people are it's part of the the capitalist white person
problem is that you know, we've heard that how that conspicuous consumption is bad and

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that Conspicuous consumption is not spiritual and that's you know buying

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It's expressing yourself through buying things.

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But it's not can it actually has nothing to do with that because to me

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Now I'm that way.

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What do mean?

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I, I.

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am ostentatious.

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You like to swipe that credit card?

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No, like to be a mother.

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You know, my mother like to spend like an hour in mirror every day.

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When I was younger, that to me, that seemed just a total waste of time and energy.

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And I found it actually kind of offensive and superficial.

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And it always aggravated me until later in life, I realized that I was my mother.

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That what I didn't like in her was what I really that's who I am and I was rejecting who I
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My father wasn't that way at all.

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and he never that way would have been totally incongruent.

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But my mother is very extravagant person and she's very flamboyant and extravagant by
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So it is absolutely appropriate that her dress should be

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you know, extravagant and flamboyant because that's actually who she is.

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And I'm that way.

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I'm extravagant and flamboyant and people relate to me the best when I project myself that
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Now somebody else could be very, just very simple and understated.

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And if they try to be extravagant, people would pick up that this was a lie.

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This was ingenuous.

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They were trying to be somebody they're not.

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And if I am presenting myself,

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Actually, as I'm presenting myself.

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now to you is actually unbelievably dishonest.

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This is not who I am.

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I'm dishonest how I, I'm like a total king.

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I dress like a king.

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And when I don't dress like a king, I'm not presenting myself honestly.

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So I'm really not presenting myself honestly to you.

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And I don't feel as good as I do when I dress like a king.

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And so it has to do with your projection.

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Like for instance, my wife, who you've met, my wife's a very beautiful woman.

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and as you can attest to and she has a very different taste.

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She comes from a very, very humble background.

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She's a very humble, understated person.

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she always, even when she's dressed up, she dresses very simple but fine.

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She's very understated but she's very clean, fine.

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It's reflection of who she is.

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If she was to be walked down the street,

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you know, blinging it, okay, our people would just go, what do want to do there?

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But it's, but when the two of us are together and I'm dressing, I'm way over the top and
she's just very simple and elegant and simple, everybody gets it.

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That's how it's, that's how it is.

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So, so it's not actually just, it's not like dressing up.

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or having consumption, it's a matter of everybody knowing who they are and to represent
that the best you can be.

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Yeah.

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So wearing that sweater that just makes you feel awesome.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, by, sp-

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But it has to be who you are.

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A lot of people I find, can tell a lot about people how I feel around them because I'll
look at them and my first reaction is they're hiding.

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So you can hide behind your clothing when you're very dressed up, but you can also be
hiding behind your clothing when you're very dressed down.

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As I'm doing right now, I'm hiding right now.

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Because you don't really see me, you're just seeing me.

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This is just a...

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Hey, sorry, no.

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Actually, you know, I'm going undercover right now.

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Because if I dress like I really wanted to, people just are like,

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That's really interesting that you used that word because I feel like, yeah, mean, well
sometimes you just have to be incognito.

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I mean, there are days when you're just like, I just gotta hunker down here, you know?

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It's a question you say you don't need to because I actually, think sometimes the
opposite, that when you're feeling that way, you actually need to.

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For me, this is the whole Bana thing again, because the more that I am dressing to the
height of whoever it is that I am, the more that I'm naked and people just, it's funny,

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it's really interesting that when I...

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dress like I'm a spiritual king of the world.

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You know, I'm just that kind of dead hole blingy, you know, it is like being naked and
people look at you like you're naked.

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They don't look at you like you're dressed up.

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They look at you like you're naked because because

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they can see right through you.

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It's very interesting this way.

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There's no place to hide.

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You're actually putting your ass on the line.

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You are putting yourself out who you are to the nth degree.

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And now you're totally out of this whole area conformity that you are exactly you.

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you're so you that people have no choice but to notice.

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And now you're out of blending in.

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And everybody's looking at you.

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and it puts you on the spot and they're watching everything you do and they're listening
to everything you say.

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Now you have to be responsible for what you, who you are.

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And that's the whole idea of this whole Bana.

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And it took me many years to understand it.

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I just had this thing last week, it was very interesting.

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It was like a progression in one day.

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I went out in the morning and I was just go off for coffee and I was dressed like I am
right now, which is pretty much jeans and my New York giant t-shirt, right?

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And I have a turban.

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So people all got this interest in guys wearing a turban, but you don't really get much
reaction.

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And then later in the day, I had to get ready to give a class and I changed out of my
jeans to where I was wearing a very lovely, like what we call a kurta, was a long white.

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Kinda cotton.

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You've seen them.

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It's in traditional Indian uh long shirt, like cotton, I had some nice rings on and I had
the white.

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Okay, now people are, I know some people are looking, who's that guy?

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Because now I'm wearing jeans, so now who's this guy?

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And then I had a teacher class and then I was wearing this thing I got from Africa, which
is beautiful ornate thing that I put actually on top of the white thing.

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And this is now

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actually the thing that people in Africa wear when they get married.

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I mean so this is it's like I'm going to a wedding.

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So now I'm dressed and I have this beautiful necklace I'm wearing and I got this beautiful
robe on top of a So at the same

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And within a couple of hours I had the giant t-shirt, then I had like the, you know, a
nice, but understated dress.

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Now I'm putting one piece of clothing on top of that.

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Just one piece of cloth, actually.

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And now I'm stopping traffic.

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Okay?

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And same person.

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All right?

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It just, it's taking this on other levels.

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at the end of it, that's like so me that people are actually like, who's that?

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And be careful what I say.

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When I was wearing the giant t-shirt, could pretty much say anything I want to say, and
people forget in five minutes.

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When I put all this other dress on, people are actually going to remember what I said for
20 years, and that does happen.

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It's really interesting.

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And you wonder, like, why does that happen?

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I'm the same person.

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So, and then when people say then, well, it doesn't matter who you are on the outside,
only matters what you are on the inside, that's actually not true.

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That's not true because...

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I'm having a much different interaction with the world.

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The impact of what I'm saying and doing is far amplified when I'm dressing congruent with
my highest vibration.

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And it probably has something to do with intention too,

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Yeah, and my intention is that now when I'm this way I have to I'm making choices I'm
making choices to absolutely not blend in But I'm gonna be held responsible for that So

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this is this is one of the reasons why we have this whole BANA concept Is it to make us
responsible, you know, like, you know, for instance if I if I right now if I took off my

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turban

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just put my hair back in a ponytail, right?

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And I already got t-shirt and jeans.

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I could actually go around the corner and go to a strip joint, a bar, and nobody would
actually know.

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I'm the same person, okay?

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But then if I come back in here, I put on my turban, and I put on nice, nice pressed,
white, beautiful clothing.

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I actually can walk in there.

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I mean, people would beat me up.

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I couldn't even get in the door.

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beat you up.

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Yeah, I walked into like like a drinking bar or strip joint and I was dressed as a
Completely different thing.

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Uh-huh.

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Okay.

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I'm wearing a turban.

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I'm wearing these beautiful clothes and what?

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How people dress to walk in there that's a whole right but No, I

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Telling about this story maybe last week and now where I actually I was in I was telling
about this like coffee and I think Taking a guy in into a strip joint.

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Yeah, and we were very dressed up Uh-huh.

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We were very dressed up because I wanted to prove to him that you know people work in
there or brothers and sisters and they're hurting you know But the interesting thing was

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is that if we had just walked in there

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without turbans and with our hair and ponytails and just jeans, nobody would have even
blinked, but we're the same people.

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But now we're walking in dressed with suggesting another type of life and the place came
to a dead halt.

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man, I'm surprised they didn't think you were like from Dubai, like really wealthy or...

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sometimes that happens.

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Sometimes that happens too.

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Now I've gone into like a filling station, know?

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And know, it's funny that somebody comes up to me and goes, you know, the guy in the
other, the guy back by the cash register, he just wanted to know, are you a millionaire?

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Of course I'm not.

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But yeah, it gives them the impression of that.

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But this, the outward appearance is actually uh very, important to us.

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But the reason is not consumption, it's that you need to be congruent.

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And on this particular path that I walk on, we are not uh cave dwellers.

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Yeah, that's interesting.

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This makes me really think a lot about um what's going on in feminism right now, because
there's, I think there's been a real wave of women, young women celebrating their sexiness

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and celebrating it through clothes and celebrating it through the way that they dress.

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um And I think it's kind of divided.

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people, there's sort of people who, there's like girly feminists and not girly feminists.

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feminist and nucky.

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I've seen both.

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um And I like the girly feminist thing is really super interesting.

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It's like this, you know, like lipstick empowerment thing and just hearing you talk about
this.

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I mean, you know my

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There are several different ways to feel about that.

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But one way that I've felt about it is like, no, you're using the tools of oppression.

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This is what they wanted you to do.

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Of course, like, no, it's working too well that now you feel empowered because you're
using Maybelline.

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Great, that's going to give you.

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it.

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Yeah, that's a very good point.

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mean, so and people get offended by especially feminists get offended by my point of view
here.

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Yeah, but.

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And I actually like.

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because I think fashion to me, I'm interested in almost everything and fashion to me is
just art.

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It's just wearable art.

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And I think the people who are the great fashion designers are great artists and I
actually like watching the shows on TV on the runway and all that.

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I like Vogue, like LA.

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love that.

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you watch TV?

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Yeah, do.

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That's a good show.

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No, people think I'm great.

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They can't imagine because I to watch TV.

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Why would I?

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Yeah, but I'm a guy.

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But I like art and to me fashion is just wearable art and I really appreciate it.

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I think it's kind of stupid the way the women walk up the run.

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This looks ridiculous to me.

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also why would you want to be so skinny?

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I don't find that even attractive.

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I to me, I've seen some of these women in Soho.

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I'm sorry that maybe some of them are listening to you, but I feel that's very sad.

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mean why would you want...

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be this way.

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mean, you're going to kill yourself.

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mean, it's somebody else's idea of beauty.

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To me, it's actually, most guys actually, I can tell you don't find that very beautiful.

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And it's somebody else's idea.

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I don't know whose idea of it is being beautiful to be skin and bones.

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it.

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I think I mean, I worked in fashion photography for like a hot minute and just talking to
different models.

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I mean, it's

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It is the standard.

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mean, it's like, you know, need to have a certain kind of license to drive a truck.

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That's the barrier to entry to being a model.

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But I mean, it started for like logistical reasons that they needed a standard size.

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um And, you know, obviously that size would be small and lean, tall and lean.

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I mean, it's gotten completely out of hand.

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And that part, I don't really quite understand why like

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culturally a massive people working in the industry would like push it so

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you gotta

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cultures that would be considered they'd look at them think that that's weird yeah you
know you know you like woman more bell-shaped for childbearing

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I mean like let's be honest.

328
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I mean men men are attracted to women because they want to impregnate them and you know I
mean you want to have some fat tits to milk your kid with you know, I mean aside from just

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that it's more fun that way but Yeah, it's ah It's all eyes.

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It's weird.

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And I mean, I think I agree with you.

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I think that fashion is really it's an interesting subject I think I mean, it's frivolous.

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It's an it's it's part of

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It's a stamp that we've made it this far.

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in

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Rich people do not, the average person does not wear what they have on those magazines
anyhow.

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In fact, I never see it, unless you're going to like a rich person's cocktail party, you
would never actually see these clothes.

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But I'm more interested in how people choose to present themselves.

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you brought up a very interesting point about women, feminists looking sexy, but I think
the feminism aside

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which is a whole nother philosophy and political thing that's another discussion but

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To me.

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And people would be offended by this, but it's like this, I like looking at a pretty girl,
because I'm a guy and I like to see that and I appreciate even a woman who presents

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herself very fashionably.

344
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Okay, you beautiful dress and beautiful hairdo and nice make I mean it's yeah, it's very
it's it's it's a work of art and the woman is very beautiful and she's doing everything to

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just present uh a presentation of beauty whatever by whatever standard

346
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that's fine.

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No, that's fine.

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I mean, I actually have no...

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What women do...

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I've been doing, it's a head scratcher for me, is that they present themselves and they
want to be taken seriously and they want it to be respected just as a person, but they're

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basically dressing in way that just says, fuck me.

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That's how they're dressing.

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And then somebody treats them like, I want to fuck you.

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And then they're offended.

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why you have

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That's what you're announcing.

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why I mean you can't have it both ways.

358
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Yeah, so to me it's Any big political statement it's not about it's more like people have
to take responsibility personal responsibility in that

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the way that you present yourselves, that is how you should expect people to see you.

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That's fair.

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So if someone is presenting themselves in a suggestive manner sexually and people are kind
of taking them up on that, um accept that.

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And then you have no right to get angry at the person who's looking at you that way
because you're putting that out there.

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Now, some people...

364
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get really offended at a point of view that I'm sharing here, but to me, it's not even
about sex.

365
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It's about just taking responsibility, however you are, that you're the one who chooses
how you're going to present yourself so you should accept that people will take you at

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face value.

367
00:26:43,276 --> 00:26:44,947
Yeah, I mean, I will.

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I, I basically agree with what you're saying that we need you need to understand you need
to know what you look like.

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And it's a really difficult thing for women.

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And I think it's something that people are still coming to grips with and trying to
understand and maybe it has to do with, you know, mass produced, I think a lot of it

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actually has to do with mass produced clothing and not understanding your own body because
women

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Like one shirt on one girl will look totally different, like a flat chested chick versus a
big titted chick.

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that, I mean, maybe, maybe I'm just dumb.

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Like maybe I'm just really slow on the uptake, but like that kind of shit plagued me for
so long.

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Like I would not, I, I, wasn't that I couldn't objectively see that I was like spilling
out of things, but it was more like,

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I deserve to wear this because this was sold to me by a corporation that I love and trust
and they're selling this to me like I should be wearing it.

377
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Well, people say that.

378
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I actually, I appreciate that point of view, but I wouldn't like agree with that because
to me, at the end of the day, I that's where people have to start getting away from this

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kind of thinking altogether, whether it's clothes or iPhones or televisions or anything
that people, there's all this corporate structure is like saying we can't live without

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this.

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I mean basically this is

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is the issue.

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It's not about clothes or feminism.

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this, is that as human beings, uh we are on a torrent, just a total waterfall torrent of
nonstop deluge of messages that we can't possibly be happy unless we're wearing this style

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of jeans or we have a 65 inch television.

386
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or we live in a beautiful house over, you know, it's a constant measure, we need this car.

387
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So, okay, so we know that's happening.

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Some of the reasons happening is that the people who are selling it to us wanna make money
so they can feel comfortable.

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Everybody's kind of in this big lie together.

390
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Everybody's participating in this lie together.

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So really the issue is, that, and I used to, when I was younger, I would be finding,

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Targets for my frustration with the way that things are so obviously the way things are
needs a lot of help and of course a very ready target for this would be the people who

393
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without doubt are trying to Brainwash us that we can't possibly be happy unless we buy
what they're trying to sell us.

394
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Okay, we know that that's happening But this keeps getting back to personal and spiritual
development at the end Is that even all that is true and I would accept that that's true

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Bye.

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in life is to be self-determining, self-independent, be my own person.

397
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And even if that stuff is going on, I have to take responsibility for my own life because
nobody else is going to.

398
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So if I'm not willing to do that, then I'm vulnerable.

399
00:30:02,917 --> 00:30:08,080
And I think this even hits on to what you were talking about with women choosing to dress
sexy.

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They can have 50 different reasons from

401
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political to whatever their reasons are, at the end of the day, it's not that complicated.

402
00:30:17,617 --> 00:30:25,945
It's best that you present yourself in a world in a way that people will have a clear
understanding who you are and treat you accordingly.

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If you do, it's Friday night and you want to go out and you want to get fucked, then just
wear that low-cut dress and high heels and this and that's what you're saying and that's

404
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what you're going to get.

405
00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:45,565
Okay, and but if that's not the attention you want to get then what the hell you're doing
you supposedly you're calling yourself an intelligent woman and You're pointing yourself

406
00:30:45,565 --> 00:30:52,478
out this way and you're getting attention a certain type of attention Why are you doing
that?

407
00:30:53,199 --> 00:30:58,836
What what's your motivation to do this is your motivation to tease somebody?

408
00:30:58,836 --> 00:31:00,195
Yeah.

409
00:31:00,195 --> 00:31:08,753
frustrates somebody is it your mom i mean think about is your motive that your intelligent
person is your motivation that you want to get impregnated tonight is that you're into you

410
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know

411
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what exactly this is why the thing is I don't do what

412
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they want, but what I'm hoping is that people actually kind of give some thought about why
they're making the choices they make.

413
00:31:21,181 --> 00:31:25,463
So if you're going to dress sexy, you know, be clear about why you're doing it.

414
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If you think,

415
00:31:26,271 --> 00:31:28,363
yeah, I'm just going out, I'm having fun.

416
00:31:28,438 --> 00:31:30,526
Like, be intelligent.

417
00:31:30,526 --> 00:31:32,794
Don't act like a six-year-old.

418
00:31:32,794 --> 00:31:34,497
You're not a six-year-old.

419
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:35,317
I mean, you're...

420
00:31:35,317 --> 00:31:37,975
actually, if you're gonna dress like that and go out...

421
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you actually are putting yourself in danger.

422
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:49,055
So you be clear about that and you could blame other forces about why you're in danger but
that's really not the issue.

423
00:31:49,055 --> 00:31:54,109
The issue is you're putting yourself in danger why are you choosing to do that?

424
00:31:54,109 --> 00:31:59,073
You're going to attract a lot of bad energy.

425
00:31:59,073 --> 00:32:02,746
You're going to attract a lot of unwanted attention.

426
00:32:02,752 --> 00:32:07,345
And people are going to be basically watching where your tits are and not where your
head's at.

427
00:32:07,345 --> 00:32:12,467
think about, you know, if you are attracting this, is this actually what you want?

428
00:32:12,467 --> 00:32:15,569
If that's what you want, okay, we're all fine.

429
00:32:15,569 --> 00:32:17,742
But you can't do it both ways.

430
00:32:17,742 --> 00:32:19,402
Right, right.

431
00:32:19,402 --> 00:32:24,282
I think there's such a disconnect, especially for women with clothing.

432
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mean, and some of it is what is available.

433
00:32:28,742 --> 00:32:31,642
Some of it is what's sold to you in a certain age bracket.

434
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Like if you're under 25, if you're between 18 and 25, like the stores that you go to,
because you're generally broke, like sell a certain kind of really crappy top, sparkly top

435
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and stuff.

436
00:32:46,786 --> 00:32:51,869
But there's a real disconnect between like what you're wearing in your own body.

437
00:32:51,869 --> 00:33:01,136
I mean, I think I've seen this happen where people are wearing things and it's like they
have no concept of what it's really saying about them.

438
00:33:01,136 --> 00:33:05,258
They've only seen it from the perspective that it was sold to them.

439
00:33:05,558 --> 00:33:13,203
Right, so this always goes back to the same, I to me it's like, I'm always mentioning my
love for this whole kiss thing, keep it simple, stupid.

440
00:33:13,203 --> 00:33:13,924
It's a great one.

441
00:33:13,924 --> 00:33:23,650
It's like, people are making all these things much more complicated than they actually
are, and it's always better to keep it simple because it is simple.

442
00:33:23,650 --> 00:33:29,634
In the end of the day, all of this comes back to the same cause, is people are not
self-aware.

443
00:33:30,162 --> 00:33:40,032
and they should be putting their energy into having a better relationship with themselves
so they are aware of why they're doing what they're doing and making conscious choices

444
00:33:40,032 --> 00:33:42,674
that are congruent with what they want in their life.

445
00:33:42,674 --> 00:33:52,463
But people are very lazy and they don't want to take personal responsibility and then
stuff happens and they start blaming everybody else but they had a part in this.

446
00:33:52,544 --> 00:33:55,532
remember, for instance, I remember somebody was so mad at me.

447
00:33:55,532 --> 00:33:58,964
because this was a remember the OJ Simpson trial?

448
00:33:59,325 --> 00:34:04,810
Well, somebody was really mad at me because during the trial, I have no doubt he killed
her.

449
00:34:04,810 --> 00:34:15,619
oh I mean, I didn't personally personally, I don't think there's any doubt that he killed
her.

450
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,202
But that was in the whole story to me.

451
00:34:19,202 --> 00:34:19,823
Okay.

452
00:34:19,823 --> 00:34:24,110
So, but people were like focusing just on that.

453
00:34:24,110 --> 00:34:33,050
And I remember I was talking to this intelligent woman who I would probably call a
feminist type.

454
00:34:33,070 --> 00:34:39,290
And we were talking about it and we both agreed that there's no doubt that he did this.

455
00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:47,770
But it was funny because I was also watching a lot of the newsreels of her, of them as a
couple.

456
00:34:48,130 --> 00:34:51,910
How she kind of was, how she presented herself.

457
00:34:52,610 --> 00:34:54,570
just her whole vibe.

458
00:34:55,311 --> 00:35:07,134
And I made the comment that, you know, he killed her, but uh she probably brought some of
this on herself.

459
00:35:07,754 --> 00:35:19,648
And of course the woman was like furious with me that I was even suggesting that she being
the victim had any part in this whatsoever, that she was just, was a hundred percent that

460
00:35:19,648 --> 00:35:21,658
this guy killed her.

461
00:35:21,992 --> 00:35:25,284
And she was totally an innocent victim.

462
00:35:25,545 --> 00:35:32,891
And condoning, I'm not apologizing, I'm not condoning what he did on any level.

463
00:35:32,891 --> 00:35:37,274
oh But first of all, is that this woman married a guy.

464
00:35:37,274 --> 00:35:43,199
oh Who that's how he, he's an egomaniac.

465
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:43,760
Okay.

466
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,842
He is, he is narcissistic.

467
00:35:46,962 --> 00:35:49,504
He married a narcissistic guy.

468
00:35:49,504 --> 00:35:50,505
Okay.

469
00:35:50,765 --> 00:35:51,808
Because.

470
00:35:51,808 --> 00:35:53,318
She wanted something.

471
00:35:53,619 --> 00:35:54,879
She wanted his money.

472
00:35:54,879 --> 00:35:57,740
She wanted to associate with his face.

473
00:35:57,740 --> 00:35:59,140
She wanted something.

474
00:35:59,140 --> 00:36:02,431
It wasn't like he's the kind of guy that he was like a saint.

475
00:36:02,431 --> 00:36:05,442
No, he, he, he, she wanted something.

476
00:36:05,442 --> 00:36:10,743
And all the pictures that I saw of her, she was very suggestive in her own way.

477
00:36:11,124 --> 00:36:20,266
And it was just like, she lived a certain kind of life that attracted a certain kind of
danger.

478
00:36:20,588 --> 00:36:22,519
She was with a dangerous guy.

479
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:26,743
And then she knew how narcissistic he was.

480
00:36:26,743 --> 00:36:28,865
She knew how jealous he was.

481
00:36:28,865 --> 00:36:38,012
And she started engaging apparently in behavior that was probably at least partly to
provoke his jealousy.

482
00:36:38,593 --> 00:36:41,765
Okay, so this does, I'm not condoning or apologizing that he killed her.

483
00:36:41,765 --> 00:36:43,336
Obviously I'm not saying that.

484
00:36:43,336 --> 00:36:50,412
What I'm just saying is that she's not a fully conscious person and she put herself in a
very dangerous position.

485
00:36:50,412 --> 00:36:52,483
by the way that she presented herself.

486
00:36:52,483 --> 00:36:59,122
could have done this whole, I mean, she could have divorced from him and found herself in
church every day.

487
00:36:59,122 --> 00:36:59,747
You know what saying?

488
00:36:59,747 --> 00:37:00,197
Yeah.

489
00:37:00,197 --> 00:37:04,527
So no, no, she's already, she's dating guys in public around where he could see.

490
00:37:04,527 --> 00:37:08,688
know, see I'm saying very day.

491
00:37:08,733 --> 00:37:17,480
I mean this goes back to what we were saying about our responsibility I mean if you are
aware of the person that you're with you can kind of calculate what the consequences of

492
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,511
that are gonna be oh

493
00:37:19,511 --> 00:37:21,183
on the subway the other day.

494
00:37:21,434 --> 00:37:33,734
it was late at night and there was like these 20 something girls obviously going to or
from a party They all were a little drunk Okay, so I'm not commenting about I mean, it's

495
00:37:33,734 --> 00:37:42,954
not against the law to drink but they're all a little drunk they're only their high heels
Plenty of lipstick glossy lipstick the whole thing low-cut dresses.

496
00:37:42,954 --> 00:37:49,514
They're kind of tumbling kind of stumbling over themselves They're actually in danger

497
00:37:49,976 --> 00:37:51,281
They're actually in there.

498
00:37:53,416 --> 00:37:55,917
You're dressed like that.

499
00:37:55,917 --> 00:37:57,258
It's at night.

500
00:37:57,438 --> 00:38:04,222
You're stumbling over yourself and you're dressing extremely provocatively.

501
00:38:04,222 --> 00:38:08,004
um You're vulnerable.

502
00:38:08,425 --> 00:38:10,346
You could be walking down the wrong street.

503
00:38:10,346 --> 00:38:14,028
You don't have all your senses about you either.

504
00:38:14,068 --> 00:38:16,219
Okay, so why are you choosing to do that?

505
00:38:16,219 --> 00:38:17,814
Don't you know that's dangerous?

506
00:38:17,814 --> 00:38:18,304
It's dangerous.

507
00:38:18,304 --> 00:38:19,235
It is dangerous.

508
00:38:19,235 --> 00:38:20,516
So people get mad.

509
00:38:20,516 --> 00:38:22,186
They'll go, well, why should it be dangerous?

510
00:38:22,186 --> 00:38:24,298
This, they this whole sexist thing.

511
00:38:24,298 --> 00:38:24,608
Yeah.

512
00:38:24,608 --> 00:38:26,309
But the day who cares?

513
00:38:26,309 --> 00:38:29,010
Because if something happens to you, okay.

514
00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:32,002
Or somebody you care about who cares what the politics are.

515
00:38:32,002 --> 00:38:32,662
Okay.

516
00:38:32,662 --> 00:38:45,149
In the end, something's happened and you had a say in that you, you, you put yourself in
that position by things that you did and choices that you made.

517
00:38:45,149 --> 00:38:47,050
And it may have cost you your life.

518
00:38:47,050 --> 00:38:48,581
Yeah, actually, this is funny.

519
00:38:48,581 --> 00:38:58,009
This is my friend Rob is he man, he's like super obsessed with just Darwinism and just our
animal nature.

520
00:38:58,009 --> 00:39:03,684
And when we talk about men and women, you know, he just keeps harping, harking back on
that.

521
00:39:03,684 --> 00:39:15,274
That's what we get wrong that women or the feminist movement or whatever has forgotten to
include that we're animals and that, you know, there's desire.

522
00:39:15,328 --> 00:39:21,600
And that chicks are hot to men and that that's not going to change.

523
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:29,682
And this power, like that there is a certain dynamic inherent in the species between men
and women.

524
00:39:29,682 --> 00:39:43,416
Um, and no matter, you know, it doesn't matter that we've had, you know, uh, that we've
had this feminist movement, no guy walking down the street on a Friday night is thinking

525
00:39:43,416 --> 00:39:44,086
about that.

526
00:39:44,086 --> 00:39:44,876
mean,

527
00:39:45,066 --> 00:40:01,289
We haven't changed male consciousness or people's consciousness to just think, oh, yes, I
am looking at a very hot, very drunk girl on the subway, but, you know, nope, I'm not

528
00:40:01,289 --> 00:40:03,391
gonna have nasty thoughts about her.

529
00:40:03,391 --> 00:40:03,952
No, I'm not.

530
00:40:03,952 --> 00:40:14,444
mean, even if you're not gonna do something malicious, you know, just engaging with her in
a sexual way, assuming that that's what she wants.

531
00:40:14,444 --> 00:40:24,494
I think the chick has probably heard, well, they can't think that, that's wrong, because
I'm not literally asking for it.

532
00:40:24,494 --> 00:40:25,426
it.

533
00:40:25,426 --> 00:40:28,946
is, why even would you want that kind of attention to begin with?

534
00:40:28,946 --> 00:40:30,646
I mean, that's a whole other issue.

535
00:40:30,866 --> 00:40:36,346
Why, by dressing this way, what actually are fishing for?

536
00:40:36,616 --> 00:40:37,649
Because you're

537
00:40:39,470 --> 00:40:40,450
house by yourself.

538
00:40:40,450 --> 00:40:46,310
You are going out in public and presenting yourself knowing that people are going to look
at you.

539
00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:48,670
So it is your intention.

540
00:40:49,010 --> 00:40:54,010
Okay, it is your intention to get attention in this way.

541
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:59,190
And so without again getting into the politics of it, it's not just having fun.

542
00:40:59,190 --> 00:41:00,730
That's not even honest.

543
00:41:00,730 --> 00:41:03,170
You're fishing for some kind of attention.

544
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:07,070
Why are you fishing for that attention to begin with?

545
00:41:07,070 --> 00:41:08,150
That is

546
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:10,094
That is really what the issue is.

547
00:41:10,094 --> 00:41:26,087
Well, think that, I mean, I want to, I want to say that they're for, for a certain kind of
woman, dressing sexy is getting back to a pure essential part of yourself.

548
00:41:26,087 --> 00:41:32,854
So for a lot of those chicks, I mean, that is the, that is the time that they're letting
their freak flag fly.

549
00:41:32,854 --> 00:41:37,256
Um, you know, for whatever reason, that's how they're doing it.

550
00:41:37,256 --> 00:41:39,558
Um, I mean, but it's,

551
00:41:39,778 --> 00:41:43,931
The that style, I mean, the reason that you see that is a lot of different things.

552
00:41:43,931 --> 00:41:47,743
mean, some of it is literally clubs have dress codes.

553
00:41:48,604 --> 00:41:50,505
I mean, some of it is just social pressure.

554
00:41:50,505 --> 00:41:52,866
Some of it is just the the fad.

555
00:41:52,866 --> 00:41:55,827
mean, some of it is that's what you see other people doing.

556
00:41:55,827 --> 00:41:59,191
So, you know, that's what it means to go out on a

557
00:41:59,191 --> 00:42:00,538
Well, and I

558
00:42:00,538 --> 00:42:11,230
you know forget forgetting the corporate thing altogether in this whole thing this whole
club thing because I love going to clubs because I like watching people and I do I like

559
00:42:11,230 --> 00:42:21,577
going to clubs I like watching people it's very I love love being there and why I'm just
kind of hearing people lie to each other yeah very entertaining and and and the thing

560
00:42:21,577 --> 00:42:23,702
it's like this whole thought that some

561
00:42:23,702 --> 00:42:27,554
the guys are liars and the women are these innocent bystanders.

562
00:42:27,554 --> 00:42:29,088
It's totally untrue.

563
00:42:29,088 --> 00:42:31,189
They're all co-conspirators.

564
00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:37,987
Like, you know, I go down in South America, for instance, and an infidelity down there is
highly accepted.

565
00:42:37,987 --> 00:42:39,928
Okay, not like here.

566
00:42:39,928 --> 00:42:41,951
It's highly accepted, which I don't agree with.

567
00:42:41,951 --> 00:42:43,964
I think it should be totally unacceptable.

568
00:42:43,964 --> 00:42:46,005
Okay, that's just a side comment.

569
00:42:47,362 --> 00:42:48,524
This whole...

570
00:42:49,369 --> 00:42:50,107
...none-

571
00:42:50,107 --> 00:43:01,435
is infidelity acceptable behavior, but there is this thought thrown out there that somehow
the guys are unfaithful and the women are not unfaithful.

572
00:43:01,435 --> 00:43:03,071
who are they having sex with?

573
00:43:04,282 --> 00:43:15,988
So they have other unfaithful married women, where they're having sex with women who know
that guys are married and they're co-conspirators and break in.

574
00:43:15,988 --> 00:43:18,989
It takes two to make this happen.

575
00:43:19,629 --> 00:43:23,591
it's only the men is actually another social lie.

576
00:43:23,871 --> 00:43:26,113
women...

577
00:43:26,113 --> 00:43:27,913
We're talking about all these shows.

578
00:43:29,224 --> 00:43:30,536
I was flying over.

579
00:43:30,536 --> 00:43:40,933
America a couple weeks ago so I kind of this like on-flight thing you know and they have
these series and I got really hooked on this whole Mad Men series.

580
00:43:40,933 --> 00:43:41,426
yeah!

581
00:43:41,426 --> 00:43:43,988
It's great, know, 50s New York and all this.

582
00:43:43,989 --> 00:43:54,482
Really interesting because of course, you know, that was like the height of like this
machoism in the United States and Madison Avenue and the men running everything and

583
00:43:54,482 --> 00:43:59,768
drinking in the office and smoking and the secretaries basically being sex objects.

584
00:44:00,718 --> 00:44:02,542
You've been played very hard into that.

585
00:44:02,542 --> 00:44:08,791
even though maybe they felt they didn't have a choice, but they manipulated the situation
themselves.

586
00:44:08,791 --> 00:44:14,306
wasn't just, they weren't just the victims, they manipulated the system themselves to get
ahead.

587
00:44:14,306 --> 00:44:16,846
Yeah, and you see that in the show, which is...

588
00:44:16,846 --> 00:44:19,646
And how they dressed up and the whole they played.

589
00:44:19,646 --> 00:44:24,786
So they're of playing this game together.

590
00:44:24,826 --> 00:44:27,426
And so everybody's got to take responsibility.

591
00:44:27,586 --> 00:44:33,066
And to me as a woman, you're getting this whole feminism thing.

592
00:44:33,726 --> 00:44:42,246
And we can talk a lot about in another show about my spiritual teachers thought about all
of that, which is very interesting.

593
00:44:43,726 --> 00:44:47,198
You know, I respect, I have friends of mine and women who...

594
00:44:47,198 --> 00:44:51,398
deeply entrenched in the whole politics and the history of it.

595
00:44:51,398 --> 00:45:00,118
But at the end of the day, I think people have to just have a lot of self-respect and take
responsibility for themselves.

596
00:45:00,498 --> 00:45:05,938
And if you want people to treat you a certain way, you have to treat yourself a certain
way.

597
00:45:05,938 --> 00:45:09,718
You have to be conscious about how you present yourself.

598
00:45:09,718 --> 00:45:12,418
You've to be conscious about what you do and you say.

599
00:45:12,418 --> 00:45:14,078
And you have have a kind of life.

600
00:45:15,598 --> 00:45:22,938
If you're not tuned into yourself, your whole life is incongruent and you're confused and
you don't even know how to present yourself.

601
00:45:22,978 --> 00:45:25,918
And you don't want to know.

602
00:45:26,118 --> 00:45:34,458
To me, lot of what you're talking about is no more complicated than people not wanting to
take just responsibility.

603
00:45:34,458 --> 00:45:36,658
They're preferring not to pay attention.

604
00:45:36,658 --> 00:45:38,818
It just takes less energy.

605
00:45:38,860 --> 00:45:40,171
Yeah, totally.

606
00:45:40,330 --> 00:45:42,074
I think you see that a lot.

607
00:45:42,074 --> 00:45:47,459
I mean, we have a whole culture of not taking responsibility and not caring.

608
00:45:47,874 --> 00:45:49,319
No, had to say the thing.

609
00:45:49,319 --> 00:45:50,574
People get mad at me all the time.

610
00:45:50,574 --> 00:46:01,009
I just say sometimes what's just on my mind and I was at some yoga thing, know, and this
is supposedly a place for spiritual thing.

611
00:46:01,009 --> 00:46:03,960
And this woman was a teacher there.

612
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,942
And we're kind of in a different space with it.

613
00:46:07,942 --> 00:46:14,244
you know, she's teaching, she's got a low-cut thing and, you know, she's showing all her
cleavage and all this.

614
00:46:14,325 --> 00:46:17,699
And she's in class, but that's what she

615
00:46:17,699 --> 00:46:19,200
after class I said.

616
00:46:20,798 --> 00:46:21,961
And she goes thank you very much.

617
00:46:21,961 --> 00:46:22,602
I'm going.

618
00:46:22,602 --> 00:46:25,703
She's what?

619
00:46:25,963 --> 00:46:31,645
Yeah, I'm going look I said I love you taught a great class but.

620
00:46:32,270 --> 00:46:55,142
you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're
you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're

621
00:46:55,290 --> 00:46:57,872
She's going whoa, and she was very mad at me.

622
00:46:57,872 --> 00:47:12,262
uh died you know you know uh She's having impact on people and that is not what we're
about and So you know the comment I got back was well, you're uptight

623
00:47:13,420 --> 00:47:14,262
You think I'm uptight?

624
00:47:14,262 --> 00:47:15,072
Fine.

625
00:47:15,153 --> 00:47:17,446
I'm not.

626
00:47:17,446 --> 00:47:19,480
If you think I'm uptight, I say that's fine, but...

627
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:25,174
But we're not like everybody else.

628
00:47:25,174 --> 00:47:28,016
So that's what everybody else is doing.

629
00:47:28,016 --> 00:47:37,422
So you're teaching, and you could have worn anything today, but you chose to wear that.

630
00:47:37,623 --> 00:47:40,345
So you chose to show your tits.

631
00:47:40,345 --> 00:47:41,605
You chose to do that.

632
00:47:41,605 --> 00:47:45,058
oh And so that wasn't like some accident.

633
00:47:45,058 --> 00:47:47,990
You actually made the choice to do that.

634
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,874
because you were trying to show something, okay?

635
00:47:51,874 --> 00:47:55,117
And that's not actually what we're doing here.

636
00:47:55,479 --> 00:48:02,016
So I hate to be the one to share that with you, but that's some, whatever you're doing is
not actually what we're doing here.

637
00:48:02,806 --> 00:48:11,053
Yeah, that's hearing you tell that story makes me think of women saying, you can have it
both ways.

638
00:48:11,053 --> 00:48:13,666
And that's what that kind of reminds me of.

639
00:48:13,666 --> 00:48:26,146
Yeah, like that you can be a yoga teacher and I mean, not that she can't be but in the
same moment you can be a yoga teacher and a bodacious babe.

640
00:48:28,111 --> 00:48:31,402
Well, Benzie, your definition of bodacious babe,

641
00:48:31,402 --> 00:48:36,942
like, you again, I you you've met my you've met my wife.

642
00:48:36,942 --> 00:48:38,462
She's very beautiful woman.

643
00:48:38,462 --> 00:48:39,503
Yeah, she

644
00:48:39,503 --> 00:48:41,077
She's a bodacious babe.

645
00:48:41,077 --> 00:48:42,322
I put her in that category.

646
00:48:42,322 --> 00:48:45,805
but she doesn't have to she's never done anything like that.

647
00:48:45,805 --> 00:48:47,627
She's beautiful.

648
00:48:47,627 --> 00:48:58,095
She is no in a way, you know, I know there'll be people listening who just want to have my
head, you know, but to me, if you're bodacious, bodacious, babe, you don't have to prove

649
00:48:58,095 --> 00:48:58,215
it.

650
00:48:58,215 --> 00:48:59,037
Everybody knows it.

651
00:48:59,037 --> 00:49:00,077
You know it.

652
00:49:00,078 --> 00:49:01,699
You don't prove anything.

653
00:49:01,699 --> 00:49:06,022
So when you're doing this kind of stuff, it's like you don't believe it yourself.

654
00:49:07,164 --> 00:49:10,406
You if you're beautiful inside and out.

655
00:49:10,552 --> 00:49:12,911
You don't have to prove anything to anybody, everybody knows.

656
00:49:12,982 --> 00:49:21,302
The people who actually have to do anything like that they're not a hundred percent sure
so they feel like they have to somehow enhance themselves.

657
00:49:22,762 --> 00:49:29,888
My wife, she's a beautiful woman, she has a you know, and she doesn't have show anything
more because...

658
00:49:29,888 --> 00:49:31,541
everybody knows, know, you know what saying?

659
00:49:31,541 --> 00:49:31,899
Yeah.

660
00:49:31,899 --> 00:49:32,793
You don't have to prove it.

661
00:49:32,793 --> 00:49:39,439
So to me, to me, that's, know, and so what

662
00:49:39,439 --> 00:49:45,052
trying to teach people actually is that people should find you beautiful just like are.

663
00:49:45,052 --> 00:49:54,416
And you should feel yourself beautiful as you are and if you feel like you have to somehow
manipulate that then you're not sure.

664
00:49:55,202 --> 00:49:56,706
I don't think that's the right message.

665
00:49:57,612 --> 00:50:01,310
What was the term that you used for the way that you project yourself?

666
00:50:01,310 --> 00:50:06,992
Bow, the table leg, early- Hibana.

667
00:50:06,992 --> 00:50:08,205
What if that's her-bana?

668
00:50:08,205 --> 00:50:09,286
oh

669
00:50:09,432 --> 00:50:10,843
That is her BANA.

670
00:50:11,425 --> 00:50:13,588
Not if it's BANA, that is her BANA.

671
00:50:13,588 --> 00:50:18,685
And the BANA is actually not going to take her very far.

672
00:50:18,685 --> 00:50:21,108
That BANA is not going to take her very far.

673
00:50:21,247 --> 00:50:23,625
Okay, so you can you choose your mana.

674
00:50:24,108 --> 00:50:25,998
Your Bana is whatever you're wearing.

675
00:50:25,998 --> 00:50:27,072
is your Bana.

676
00:50:27,072 --> 00:50:39,459
But the thing is, that if you're aspiring to be a person who's just very conscious in
every way, your Bana has to be equally conscious as everything They meditate, they do

677
00:50:39,459 --> 00:50:41,715
yoga, they do this, and then they just...

678
00:50:41,715 --> 00:50:43,786
hooker okay well that's not

679
00:50:43,786 --> 00:50:55,103
Exactly gonna work out because your tape is gonna be lopsided here Everything has got to
be together and again some people are saying well, okay, you're being uptight They're not

680
00:50:55,103 --> 00:50:56,503
understanding where I'm coming from.

681
00:50:56,503 --> 00:50:59,095
I'm not actually against anything.

682
00:50:59,095 --> 00:51:07,740
I'm for something, you know it This kind of life is actually it's good to be modest.

683
00:51:07,860 --> 00:51:09,511
It's just a good thing to be modest.

684
00:51:09,511 --> 00:51:11,456
It's it's not

685
00:51:11,456 --> 00:51:19,892
a good thing to draw attention to yourself for something that actually is no reason to
draw attention to.

686
00:51:19,892 --> 00:51:27,617
For instance, if you are in a committed, loving relationship with somebody, they know
where all the goods are.

687
00:51:27,617 --> 00:51:33,996
em You don't have to be out in public showing what...

688
00:51:33,996 --> 00:51:34,402
Right.

689
00:51:34,402 --> 00:51:35,728
You know what saying?

690
00:51:35,728 --> 00:51:38,530
This is something in the world right now.

691
00:51:38,530 --> 00:51:42,627
going to last either because people are just going to get bored with all this.

692
00:51:43,050 --> 00:51:45,088
It's very uninteresting actually.

693
00:51:45,088 --> 00:51:48,518
Yeah, I mean there's a physical limit to how far we can push the envelope.

694
00:51:48,518 --> 00:51:49,549
and people think that...

695
00:51:49,549 --> 00:51:53,763
being great by pushing the envelope but actually it's they're numb.

696
00:51:54,862 --> 00:51:55,622
Yeah, it's true.

697
00:51:55,622 --> 00:52:04,062
mean, there is something kind of disappointing about living through Lady Gaga, because
it's like, nope, seen it all.

698
00:52:04,718 --> 00:52:05,486
Yeah, and I look

699
00:52:05,486 --> 00:52:09,308
I'm like, what is that?

700
00:52:09,308 --> 00:52:17,832
I I understand that she's creative in her own way, but is this the best we got?

701
00:52:17,832 --> 00:52:19,443
mean, who the hell is she?

702
00:52:19,443 --> 00:52:22,294
mean, she's, seriously, she's like a nobody.

703
00:52:22,294 --> 00:52:24,995
This is the best the society is producing.

704
00:52:24,995 --> 00:52:27,596
I mean, there's nothing inspiring about her.

705
00:52:27,596 --> 00:52:35,310
just, she pushes the envelope, but if, you know, being around her and listening to her
music is not going to bring you

706
00:52:35,310 --> 00:52:38,547
any closer to feeling your own self.

707
00:52:39,872 --> 00:52:40,704
I don't get it.

708
00:52:40,704 --> 00:52:42,092
it is, I don't get it.

709
00:52:42,092 --> 00:52:53,230
Yeah, I mean, think that for some people it is just because she packages it with a message
of loving, acceptance, equality, which those are all really great things.

710
00:52:53,230 --> 00:52:58,614
For me, there's a disconnect between her actual product and

711
00:52:58,614 --> 00:52:59,534
haven't looked at her,

712
00:52:59,534 --> 00:53:04,494
If you ever look at her, and again, I gotta, she'll call up, she'll kill me too, everybody
will be mad at me.

713
00:53:04,494 --> 00:53:09,674
But you know, she's very talented, what she does, but at the end of the day, it's all
about her.

714
00:53:09,914 --> 00:53:11,354
That's what she's about.

715
00:53:11,754 --> 00:53:13,502
She's about, she's.

716
00:53:13,502 --> 00:53:14,602
love with herself.

717
00:53:14,602 --> 00:53:14,702
Yeah.

718
00:53:14,702 --> 00:53:17,902
But she's not in love with herself, the spiritual.

719
00:53:18,782 --> 00:53:20,542
She's in love with her ego.

720
00:53:20,802 --> 00:53:21,610
Right.

721
00:53:21,610 --> 00:53:24,855
Okay, so she's really into being Lady Gaga.

722
00:53:25,197 --> 00:53:26,097
But

723
00:53:26,638 --> 00:53:29,582
At end of day, she's just another person who's going to be

724
00:53:29,582 --> 00:53:31,482
70 years from now.

725
00:53:31,842 --> 00:53:35,882
she, and she talks enlightened things.

726
00:53:35,882 --> 00:53:39,062
I've heard that, but she's not an enlightened person.

727
00:53:39,082 --> 00:53:44,462
You know, she's actually a pretty mediocre person who has gained fame.

728
00:53:45,002 --> 00:53:49,762
that fame is going to be very heavy on her a few years from now.

729
00:53:49,882 --> 00:53:53,923
So, you you can see what it does to people, but no.

730
00:53:53,923 --> 00:53:54,774
on the

731
00:53:54,774 --> 00:54:03,258
The Bana is very important and people, I think, really need to present themselves in a way
that's congruent with who they are.

732
00:54:03,618 --> 00:54:11,022
And to the extent that they don't, they're making themselves very vulnerable, at the very
least, to being misunderstood.

733
00:54:11,894 --> 00:54:12,817
Yeah.

734
00:54:12,930 --> 00:54:16,927
This is one of the problems, for instance, the people, even though they...

735
00:54:16,927 --> 00:54:24,090
dress appropriately, you know, you go to like, or they do you go like Wall Street and you
know, everybody's dress a certain way.

736
00:54:24,090 --> 00:54:26,501
And also I like to go around Wall Street.

737
00:54:26,501 --> 00:54:36,335
like looking at all the suits because I'm not fooled actually, even though they're all
suits and they're all working for some financial firm.

738
00:54:36,335 --> 00:54:42,518
I know for a fact that you got all kinds of people there who are scared little boys.

739
00:54:42,764 --> 00:54:51,997
who are domination freaks who are into whatever or healthy family people, but they're all
kind of dressed a certain way.

740
00:54:51,997 --> 00:54:57,238
And that's what they want because they want to actually hide all personality.

741
00:54:57,374 --> 00:55:00,089
I mean, I do, I wear suits too.

742
00:55:00,089 --> 00:55:01,439
like, I like that.

743
00:55:01,619 --> 00:55:02,619
I like Italian clothes.

744
00:55:02,619 --> 00:55:04,720
I like Italians cause I like doing that too.

745
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:12,558
But you can be also kind of mesmerized by that and forget that behind that is a scared
little person.

746
00:55:12,558 --> 00:55:23,358
And so I think it's important that people project themselves in a way that they're
understood and then they feel better about themselves.

747
00:55:23,398 --> 00:55:27,938
But it's very frustrating when people are misunderstood.

748
00:55:28,358 --> 00:55:37,478
so, you know, I think that this did this actually I think the bigger thing about the women
in society than it being a political thing.

749
00:55:37,478 --> 00:55:41,544
think that that women as men

750
00:55:41,544 --> 00:55:55,261
as well are actually not accepting who they are and they're trying to be what they think
other people want them to be.

751
00:55:55,481 --> 00:56:04,446
And so that's really the source of everything that every individual, whether they're a man
or woman, should love themselves for who they are.

752
00:56:04,706 --> 00:56:14,496
be everything that they were meant to be, enjoy themselves and present themselves in a way
congruent with this that people will appreciate them for who they are.

753
00:56:14,496 --> 00:56:22,644
I think that all this suffering is caused when people are trying to project themselves in
a way that's not congruent with this.

754
00:56:22,685 --> 00:56:27,069
And so, you we started this out talking about suggestive dress.

755
00:56:27,226 --> 00:56:28,304
And men do this too.

756
00:56:28,304 --> 00:56:30,656
meant to have suggestive dress as well.

757
00:56:30,656 --> 00:56:41,262
But I think that if you're to dress suggestively, ah let's be clear about what's going on
here and let's accept whatever the results are going to be.

758
00:56:41,402 --> 00:56:47,166
Don't, don't, and then get pissed off that people are treating you like you're some kind
of slut.

759
00:56:47,166 --> 00:56:51,689
If you're dressing like a slut, people expect that people are going to treat you like a
slut.

760
00:56:51,689 --> 00:56:53,422
And there's no other way to say this.

761
00:56:53,422 --> 00:56:54,387
That's how it is.

762
00:56:54,387 --> 00:56:57,122
For any kind of suggestion.

763
00:56:57,122 --> 00:57:03,804
I mean if you're wearing, you know, outdated super dorky clothes and you get treated like
a dork.

764
00:57:03,906 --> 00:57:04,806
You know what?

765
00:57:04,806 --> 00:57:14,461
really like what you said because that is perfect what you said and people tend to use
that word only for sexual dress but it's really true that all dress is suggestive.

766
00:57:14,461 --> 00:57:16,732
That's what Bonna is really saying.

767
00:57:16,732 --> 00:57:22,835
Bonna is really saying that all your dress is suggestive so what is it that you're
suggesting?

768
00:57:22,835 --> 00:57:31,339
when we talk about sexy dress you're suggesting something so be careful what it is that
you're suggesting because that's what you're going to attract.

769
00:57:31,339 --> 00:57:31,899
Right.

770
00:57:31,899 --> 00:57:34,060
You know and sometimes

771
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:44,286
Sometimes people, you could dress up a total dummy and give them like horn room glasses
and a suit and they'll look like a smart person.

772
00:57:44,286 --> 00:57:49,600
They're dressed as suggesting they're college professor, but actually they don't even know
how to read.

773
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,872
Okay, so that could cause a lot of problems.

774
00:57:54,112 --> 00:58:03,878
Similarly, for instance you're trying to attract into your life a very respectful man, uh

775
00:58:03,884 --> 00:58:08,956
for example, somebody who's going to honor and respect you and try, the whole thing.

776
00:58:09,136 --> 00:58:13,878
And you're suggesting something else, then how exactly are going to attract that?

777
00:58:13,878 --> 00:58:14,638
You're not.

778
00:58:14,638 --> 00:58:17,779
You're going to attract a guy who would like to have you for an evening.

779
00:58:17,779 --> 00:58:22,821
If you're suggesting by your dress that you're available for the evening.

780
00:58:22,881 --> 00:58:25,071
And why wouldn't, and why, and you can't.

781
00:58:25,071 --> 00:58:29,242
totally there's some say I've suggested

782
00:58:29,242 --> 00:58:31,693
So he's a dummy to begin with.

783
00:58:31,693 --> 00:58:32,193
Right.

784
00:58:32,193 --> 00:58:35,815
So you're suggesting to a dummy that you're available.

785
00:58:35,815 --> 00:58:45,670
So why would you be offended that they're asking you to come over to their apartment
because suggesting that and then you're angry because you're saying you're not suggesting

786
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:46,180
it.

787
00:58:46,180 --> 00:58:49,702
And I would say, you

788
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:50,650
Yeah.

789
00:58:51,351 --> 00:58:51,762
Yeah.

790
00:58:51,762 --> 00:58:53,433
I mean, there's a lot of that.

791
00:58:54,374 --> 00:58:55,725
It is a tough message.

792
00:58:55,725 --> 00:59:00,579
mean, it is a tough message for however you are cloaking yourself.

793
00:59:00,579 --> 00:59:11,939
mean, like, I don't know if you've witnessed this phenomenon, but when I was in high
school, wearing pajama pants as like regular pants to the mall or whatever, or to school

794
00:59:11,939 --> 00:59:13,971
was like the biggest thing.

795
00:59:13,971 --> 00:59:18,454
And in some sense, like the bonnet was really

796
00:59:19,250 --> 00:59:21,351
like a tight knit cultural thing.

797
00:59:21,351 --> 00:59:28,751
We're only in this circle in this pocket of California would it be understood as like,
it's really super cool.

798
00:59:28,751 --> 00:59:31,834
You're wearing pajama pants with your high school sweatshirt.

799
00:59:31,834 --> 00:59:32,955
Awesome.

800
00:59:32,955 --> 00:59:43,178
But I mean, I've seen that trend continue into adulthood and you see people dress like
kids or you see them dress really super schlubby.

801
00:59:43,485 --> 00:59:47,724
we like on the subway now, wearing their underwear and their pants are down.

802
00:59:47,724 --> 00:59:50,608
Like, oh my God.

803
00:59:51,954 --> 01:00:07,611
I feel like that's kind of like there is a certain element of clothing that is meant to be
rebellious and that's really awesome like you know I I I love that it's completely

804
01:00:07,611 --> 01:00:10,934
non-functional and it makes Bill Cosby crazy

805
01:00:11,084 --> 01:00:11,682
Well,

806
01:00:11,682 --> 01:00:24,423
I understand why the basic mess, it's funny because we're these, a lot of this French
language, but it's funny because we talk about the girls who wear the low cuts thing and

807
01:00:24,423 --> 01:00:26,674
everything and it's kind of like fuck me dress.

808
01:00:26,855 --> 01:00:30,257
But the dress that you're talking about is a fuck you dress.

809
01:00:33,675 --> 01:00:36,075
It's a like, go fuck yourself thing.

810
01:00:36,075 --> 01:00:37,114
I don't care what you think.

811
01:00:37,114 --> 01:00:38,614
Actually, I mean a few years ago.

812
01:00:38,614 --> 01:00:41,376
I shaved my head and it was awesome.

813
01:00:41,376 --> 01:00:42,516
I'm gonna do it again this summer.

814
01:00:42,516 --> 01:00:54,547
Can't wait and uh But like my favorite thing to do would be to wear like a dress with like
a feminine dress with my shaved head and like The it was a total fuck you.

815
01:00:54,547 --> 01:01:00,344
It was like not not really a fuck you thing I didn't really want to be mean but it was
like Check it out.

816
01:01:00,344 --> 01:01:02,515
Like I'm blowing your mind right now.

817
01:01:02,515 --> 01:01:05,964
And like that was the that was the point and like I

818
01:01:05,964 --> 01:01:08,629
I mean, feel like people, there's some people that do that.

819
01:01:08,629 --> 01:01:14,401
And I actually kind of feel like that's a really cool way to engage.

820
01:01:14,401 --> 01:01:17,966
It's a heightened way to understand your own power.

821
01:01:17,966 --> 01:01:18,502
You know.

822
01:01:18,502 --> 01:01:34,208
instance, my take on you doing that is different than what I saw in the subway because you
actually, to me, have a conscious reason that sort of fits into where you're going.

823
01:01:34,248 --> 01:01:43,392
And on the other hand, when I see this from some of these people on the subway, the kids,
they'll have the thing down in their crotch and showing their underwear.

824
01:01:43,592 --> 01:01:47,938
Like if I was, I'd kick their ass and throw them out of the house, that would be it.

825
01:01:47,938 --> 01:01:50,772
You'd throw you would you would give them not a bed to sleep in.

826
01:01:50,772 --> 01:01:51,490
That's right.

827
01:01:51,490 --> 01:01:53,411
Yeah, I would I would not.

828
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:54,392
Yeah, seriously.

829
01:01:54,392 --> 01:01:55,502
That's how much I love him.

830
01:01:55,502 --> 01:01:56,493
I would not do that.

831
01:01:56,493 --> 01:02:04,317
Yeah, I would not because because he it's not even a matter conformity.

832
01:02:04,317 --> 01:02:05,538
It's like.

833
01:02:06,839 --> 01:02:12,530
What exactly, even if you kind of irreverent and I understand that because I was there.

834
01:02:12,576 --> 01:02:15,562
so I and I was very and I'm still rebellious.

835
01:02:15,564 --> 01:02:16,124
I'm

836
01:02:16,124 --> 01:02:23,497
consider myself a rebellious person, but it's kind of like, okay, you had given this
precious life.

837
01:02:23,517 --> 01:02:26,016
I get you got this fuck you attitude.

838
01:02:26,016 --> 01:02:31,050
I don't really even blame you, but what exactly is your purpose?

839
01:02:31,050 --> 01:02:33,701
And the answer is in most cases, they don't have any.

840
01:02:34,742 --> 01:02:45,386
I find a person having a fuck you attitude being irreverent, but I want, I want to see
some purpose.

841
01:02:45,634 --> 01:02:52,789
Just having no purpose is actually to me, God's given you this life and all you're wanting
to do is to flush down the toilet.

842
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:56,982
You don't have actually anything, anything to add.

843
01:02:58,083 --> 01:03:08,831
I see, again, everybody will kill me about something I'm saying today, but some of these,
you know, they're with their iPhones and all this and they're using all this.

844
01:03:08,831 --> 01:03:09,971
That's great.

845
01:03:09,971 --> 01:03:10,271
Okay.

846
01:03:10,271 --> 01:03:11,172
least.

847
01:03:11,607 --> 01:03:12,757
somebody

848
01:03:14,670 --> 01:03:19,655
put in the work to kind of create that iPhone.

849
01:03:20,156 --> 01:03:23,399
what are you doing to contribute anything?

850
01:03:23,821 --> 01:03:25,622
Contribute anything?

851
01:03:25,696 --> 01:03:27,882
So just having your pants down

852
01:03:27,882 --> 01:03:33,322
your crotch, exactly what is that contributing to anybody?

853
01:03:34,042 --> 01:03:44,862
To me, I don't mind people having an attitude if in some way they have something to add
instead of just wanting to take and being angry.

854
01:03:44,922 --> 01:03:47,182
So I understand the source of their anger.

855
01:03:47,182 --> 01:03:48,942
I'm compassionate towards it.

856
01:03:48,942 --> 01:03:54,222
But just to have that attitude and not to offer

857
01:03:54,536 --> 01:03:58,352
anything whatsoever on any level, which is what I'm seeing.

858
01:03:58,352 --> 01:04:01,516
To me, that's not constructive at all.

859
01:04:01,516 --> 01:04:08,405
uh so what you're doing is a little different because it's kind of like in context.

860
01:04:08,558 --> 01:04:10,379
to what you're trying to bring.

861
01:04:10,379 --> 01:04:12,200
You actually are bringing a lot.

862
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,061
And I understand how that would fit into that.

863
01:04:15,061 --> 01:04:20,984
But I wouldn't throw that into the same category of something I've just explained where I
see people at.

864
01:04:20,984 --> 01:04:25,146
All they're doing is basically saying, screw you.

865
01:04:25,146 --> 01:04:32,379
they're just angry at everybody, but they're not showing anything and wanting to help
anybody.

866
01:04:32,379 --> 01:04:35,210
That's what I want to see.

867
01:04:35,250 --> 01:04:46,810
there, I mean, there's a lot of nihilism and it's Sophie and I were just talking about
this this morning that, you know, we, we grew up in, for the most part, we developed

868
01:04:46,810 --> 01:04:59,882
during the pre nine 11 days, which were very idealistic and you know, Clinton economy,
things were good, but a lot of kids these days, like kids that are 11 now were born.

869
01:04:59,882 --> 01:05:01,713
when the war on terror started.

870
01:05:01,713 --> 01:05:02,824
So that's all that they know.

871
01:05:02,824 --> 01:05:07,582
And the world that they've grown up in is a very cynical world.

872
01:05:07,582 --> 01:05:12,149
I I care a lot about comedy.

873
01:05:12,149 --> 01:05:17,282
think comedy is like the best thing for the world.

874
01:05:17,282 --> 01:05:19,473
Like that's how I tap in.

875
01:05:19,473 --> 01:05:22,875
That's how I get my mojo going.

876
01:05:22,875 --> 01:05:28,536
I feel like comedians are, they're the philosophers.

877
01:05:28,536 --> 01:05:29,646
They're the storytellers.

878
01:05:29,646 --> 01:05:40,796
um But like if you look at trends in comedy, feel like comedy is getting a little more
cynical too.

879
01:05:41,477 --> 01:05:42,668
It's sad.

880
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:45,044
You know, on the other hand...

881
01:05:45,044 --> 01:05:46,735
the devil's advocate.

882
01:05:48,817 --> 01:05:58,962
This is kind of like the paradox is that, you know, yeah, there's been a lot of changes
since I've been a kid and you know, and I go back even farther than you obviously.

883
01:05:59,943 --> 01:06:05,346
But ah on the other hand, people, people.

884
01:06:05,587 --> 01:06:08,249
I don't think things have...

885
01:06:08,249 --> 01:06:11,073
people in life is actually pretty much the same.

886
01:06:11,635 --> 01:06:15,802
And wherever I go in the world, people are pretty much the same.

887
01:06:17,198 --> 01:06:30,038
And every now and then I think it's one of the great lessons we have from some of these
scriptures that go way back, mean like thousands of years even, and you read about these

888
01:06:30,038 --> 01:06:40,998
spiritual teachings of these great saints and they come from different cultures and
different times and some of them are like 300 years ago, a thousand years ago.

889
01:06:41,530 --> 01:06:43,341
And it's like they're saying the same thing.

890
01:06:43,341 --> 01:06:44,301
It's pretty amazing.

891
01:06:44,301 --> 01:06:52,295
And it really gets to about human philosophy and the things that drive people and how they
got into it how you get out of it.

892
01:06:52,955 --> 01:07:06,182
the story is actually, I mean, this is, and these things were like written before all this
technology and all these things happened and how bad, you talk about 9-11 and I mean, you

893
01:07:06,182 --> 01:07:10,424
know, this is probably nothing compared to like the dark ages in Europe.

894
01:07:10,424 --> 01:07:11,344
Sure.

895
01:07:11,354 --> 01:07:14,245
there's been all kinds of things.

896
01:07:15,006 --> 01:07:19,077
I mean, like, 70 % of people were dead in the streets.

897
01:07:19,077 --> 01:07:21,228
mean, so that you can be cynical.

898
01:07:21,669 --> 01:07:27,291
Everybody in your family is dead and there's no food and everything is you know, you don't
know if you live another day, right?

899
01:07:27,291 --> 01:07:29,602
You know, and you know, the Civil War here.

900
01:07:29,602 --> 01:07:33,813
mean, there's always

901
01:07:33,813 --> 01:07:34,690
and as always,

902
01:07:34,690 --> 01:07:39,257
been like tremendously periods of, so that's almost like nothing.

903
01:07:39,257 --> 01:07:51,553
mean, so people have always had reason to be, actually, I think it goes down to what we've
talked about on other shows that uh this has never left because.

904
01:07:52,608 --> 01:07:55,741
you can't get away from this, nobody's going to be around for very long.

905
01:07:55,741 --> 01:08:05,058
mean, so it doesn't matter whether it's the dark ages or terrorism or World War II, uh
you're still not going to be here very long.

906
01:08:05,058 --> 01:08:09,652
you know, people are always dealing with existential fear.

907
01:08:10,073 --> 01:08:16,788
And so the things that drive people, like your friend, you know, they're just the Darwin
kind of stuff.

908
01:08:16,788 --> 01:08:20,381
I mean, just the need to procreate, need to feel comfortable.

909
01:08:20,381 --> 01:08:21,862
uh

910
01:08:21,862 --> 01:08:33,148
existential quite these actually things have always been pretty much the same and so I
think human nature so things have changed but human nature hasn't changed and at the end

911
01:08:33,148 --> 01:08:45,574
of the day when you're dealing when I'm dealing with a person sitting in front of me let's
have a counseling client it doesn't thousand years ago I'm dealing with human nature

912
01:08:46,246 --> 01:08:55,010
And what people want and what people are afraid of are pretty much the same today as they
were a thousand years ago at a basic level.

913
01:08:55,010 --> 01:09:02,404
So, you know, the challenge always is to, while I'm here, is it always gets back to, you
know, who am I?

914
01:09:02,404 --> 01:09:03,614
Why am I here?

915
01:09:03,614 --> 01:09:05,035
What's this about?

916
01:09:05,035 --> 01:09:11,778
And these are not that complicated questions, but they're very profound questions, but
they're not very complicated.

917
01:09:11,778 --> 01:09:15,039
So uh it still gets back to human nature.

918
01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:31,770
the challenges of today that we talked about in this conversation have, ah it has more to
do with these days people uh seemingly have, at least on the surface, more freedom to do

919
01:09:31,770 --> 01:09:33,011
what they want to do.

920
01:09:33,011 --> 01:09:41,516
Where in the past that they were often, especially in periods of time, much more beholden
to social norms.

921
01:09:41,516 --> 01:09:44,117
Now people can pretty much do whatever they want.

922
01:09:45,762 --> 01:09:54,988
But there's still people and there's, and in a lot of ways um that's made their life more
complicated.

923
01:09:55,522 --> 01:09:57,546
Yeah, the paradox of choice.

924
01:09:57,546 --> 01:10:12,235
Yeah, they have the difficulty in today's age actually is that people have a really
problem especially with young people today is that on the one hand you seemingly have more

925
01:10:12,235 --> 01:10:24,014
liberty and more freedom of choice but on the other hand this is there has not been an
accompanied growth in uh consciousness so

926
01:10:24,014 --> 01:10:29,474
even though you have more choices, that doesn't mean that you're more likely to make good
choices.

927
01:10:29,474 --> 01:10:32,654
In fact, you may even be more confused than ever.

928
01:10:33,394 --> 01:10:38,354
Just because you have more choices doesn't mean that you actually have the ability to make
good choices.

929
01:10:38,374 --> 01:10:44,450
And in the past, you had less choices, so you had less of a chance of making...

930
01:10:44,450 --> 01:10:49,583
bad choices because there was some kind of social control protecting you.

931
01:10:49,583 --> 01:11:01,501
Now, I think it's a very insecure time to live because from a young age, people are being
presented with limitless choices, but they really don't have the wisdom to handle all

932
01:11:01,501 --> 01:11:02,261
those choices.

933
01:11:02,261 --> 01:11:09,902
And they make sometimes disastrous choices that there's less social control for than there
was before.

934
01:11:09,902 --> 01:11:10,942
Yeah.

935
01:11:10,942 --> 01:11:18,722
No, I mean, that's I mean, I feel that like just going to the store and trying to buy
cereal, you know, I mean.

936
01:11:19,862 --> 01:11:27,374
Yeah, well, actually, when I first moved to New York, like, I mean, I was pretty I was
pretty young, like.

937
01:11:27,374 --> 01:11:37,514
mentally or like in terms of my own development like before I moved out of my parents
house I didn't like I didn't even do the laundry, you know, I wasn't like pitching in as

938
01:11:37,514 --> 01:11:38,414
an adult at all.

939
01:11:38,414 --> 01:11:40,974
So I had no concept of what that was like.

940
01:11:40,974 --> 01:11:50,734
And I remember going to the store like for the first time and trying to buy myself food
and being totally overwhelmed and like so saddened that they didn't have the same kind of

941
01:11:50,734 --> 01:11:55,534
yellow cheese that my parents had bought for the last 15 years and just being like, well,
what do I do now?

942
01:11:55,534 --> 01:11:56,854
Like, fuck it.

943
01:11:56,854 --> 01:11:57,398
Fuck every

944
01:11:57,398 --> 01:11:59,411
I'm gonna eat crackers.

945
01:11:59,773 --> 01:12:01,516
Yeah.

946
01:12:01,516 --> 01:12:03,108
That was how I-

947
01:12:03,305 --> 01:12:04,901
know, thinking about this

948
01:12:04,901 --> 01:12:17,299
yesterday I was watching this thing about this couple who got killed with the woman who
was pregnant you know I actually saw that guy and her on the a little while ago yeah I saw

949
01:12:17,299 --> 01:12:18,488
them about a month ago

950
01:12:18,488 --> 01:12:19,515
How did- what?

951
01:12:19,515 --> 01:12:21,315
How do you know that you saw them?

952
01:12:21,512 --> 01:12:24,674
Because he's very, both of them are very different looking.

953
01:12:24,674 --> 01:12:26,625
She's very attractive.

954
01:12:26,966 --> 01:12:28,777
And he's a guy.

955
01:12:28,777 --> 01:12:35,272
He's got the beard and kind of like the kind of very modest clothing.

956
01:12:35,272 --> 01:12:38,174
But if you look at him, that's actually a very good looking couple.

957
01:12:38,174 --> 01:12:43,998
uh And I was on the train and he had that big hat on.

958
01:12:44,538 --> 01:12:46,589
And he had very light hair.

959
01:12:46,589 --> 01:12:54,223
Very unusual for that group, know, the Hasidics, mostly they have brown or black hair, but
he had like blondish hair.

960
01:12:54,223 --> 01:13:00,656
It was very unusual and he had very light features and he had this big hat on so he really
stood out.

961
01:13:00,656 --> 01:13:02,787
But there's no doubt that that was him.

962
01:13:02,787 --> 01:13:10,400
And she was there and I actually, when I saw them month ago, I was thinking to myself,
boy, you know, uh she's very attractive.

963
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:14,352
I'm thinking of this, so it's so interesting that I saw that they got killed yesterday.

964
01:13:14,352 --> 01:13:25,572
today or the other day because I saw them on the train a short while ago and I remembered
them and I was remembering that she was a very attractive woman and how interesting it was

965
01:13:25,572 --> 01:13:39,874
that ah in this society that ah you know she could have been one of like the bodacious
babe types but she was within this you know culture where

966
01:13:39,982 --> 01:13:44,597
there was really no um reason for her to present herself that way.

967
01:13:44,597 --> 01:13:46,900
And she never had to.

968
01:13:46,900 --> 01:14:01,606
And he hit me as kind of um a different kind of sort that he seemed like, uh not only was
his features light, but there was something about him that was very light.

969
01:14:01,858 --> 01:14:10,672
And I and I kicked myself the other day because I got you know I wanted to go over and
talk to them and I didn't and I really kicked myself because I really would have wanted to

970
01:14:10,672 --> 01:14:20,817
connect with them because I thought that they were kind of very different and uh And
again, you know, it's kind of interesting, know with again the world of choice is that you

971
01:14:20,817 --> 01:14:31,322
know right around the corner a couple miles away there's a community like their community
who uh is being by a different uh norm and so

972
01:14:31,322 --> 01:14:36,273
So they have, on the one hand, have less choices.

973
01:14:37,054 --> 01:14:47,734
But on the other hand, um you know, it sounds like they were very happy couple until, and
their time was done, that was it.

974
01:14:47,734 --> 01:14:48,734
Yeah.

975
01:14:48,755 --> 01:14:49,355
Was it?

976
01:14:49,355 --> 01:14:55,399
Yeah, I we, uh, we talked to a Hasidic woman for doing it.

977
01:14:55,399 --> 01:14:58,341
And I mean, that was really interesting.

978
01:14:58,341 --> 01:15:02,904
And I think that she was very happy and she was obviously very in love.

979
01:15:02,904 --> 01:15:06,636
Obviously very, you know, she was a full bodied.

980
01:15:06,636 --> 01:15:08,597
woman and a full bodied person.

981
01:15:08,597 --> 01:15:13,501
And I mean, there was nothing that I could see that she was missing out on per se.

982
01:15:13,501 --> 01:15:17,054
I mean, she had a social life, she had a love life, she had a family.

983
01:15:17,054 --> 01:15:21,898
uh She had a spiritual life, she had a uh banging career.

984
01:15:21,898 --> 01:15:23,719
I mean, she had everything.

985
01:15:23,939 --> 01:15:31,185
And it, I mean, and she was the way that she talked about it was that, you know, it was
kind of, that's the point.

986
01:15:31,185 --> 01:15:32,696
That's why

987
01:15:32,696 --> 01:15:36,642
they've limited the choices, that you can focus on the good stuff.

988
01:15:36,642 --> 01:15:38,916
that every...

989
01:15:38,916 --> 01:15:42,700
Yeah, like so nobody's paying attention.

990
01:15:42,770 --> 01:15:44,750
Spana too, that's the same with me.

991
01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:55,830
I'm at Spana too, so I've made these commitments and people would see they're restrictive
but they don't actually look at the whole picture in that in some ways it limits my

992
01:15:55,830 --> 01:16:03,690
choices but I've made the choice, I mean, so it's as if I've made the choice to limit my
choices to create more room.

993
01:16:05,230 --> 01:16:09,094
So my life is not filled with

994
01:16:09,094 --> 01:16:22,584
conflict inner conflict I've decided to sort out that inner conflict to create space so
actually my life is lighter not heavier and I assume that people will look at somebody

995
01:16:22,584 --> 01:16:35,694
like her but they don't see in the whole picture I had an inch and couple goes up in Maine
and uh and somebody took me to a farm that happened to be run by the Amish uh

996
01:16:35,694 --> 01:16:39,394
And of course I was dressed to the nines like I dressed.

997
01:16:39,394 --> 01:16:41,534
They were dressed the way they were.

998
01:16:41,534 --> 01:16:46,614
So they were kind of, they had never seen anybody like me in Maine before.

999
01:16:46,734 --> 01:16:54,374
So even they couldn't, I mean they were trying not to look, they even, know, normally they
have people looking at them, but now they're looking at me.

1000
01:16:55,634 --> 01:16:57,534
I said, hey, you're looking at me.

1001
01:16:58,895 --> 01:17:01,219
I said you looking at me like people looking at you.

1002
01:17:01,262 --> 01:17:03,002
And they actually started laughing.

1003
01:17:03,002 --> 01:17:06,102
They started laughing and I go, yeah, I'm a Tarinam.

1004
01:17:06,102 --> 01:17:07,162
How you doing?

1005
01:17:07,242 --> 01:17:09,322
And then they're like, who is this guy?

1006
01:17:09,322 --> 01:17:20,702
And we landed up talking and normally an Amish woman would never talk to a man outside of
the culture, but actually I kind of can get away with it because I look like I'm safe.

1007
01:17:21,422 --> 01:17:31,244
And so we were talking and it was the same kind of conversation that you're describing
here that from the outside it would look like they had a very restrictive life, but

1008
01:17:31,244 --> 01:17:37,350
they were telling me a lie and it pretty much sound like anybody else else life minus like
television

1009
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:52,283
and you know and getting high and all this other stuff uh they had a social life and they
had friends and they had children they have a sex life and they have a job and in a way

1010
01:17:52,283 --> 01:18:01,569
you know maybe not all their children would want this maybe they want more choices but is
the choice they made and they seem to pretty happy with that choice

1011
01:18:01,932 --> 01:18:04,598
yeah, that's so funny.

1012
01:18:04,598 --> 01:18:05,109
my god.

1013
01:18:05,109 --> 01:18:07,508
Well, they must have just thought you were another alien

1014
01:18:07,508 --> 01:18:13,282
sometimes you know depending where it is I mean actually

1015
01:18:13,282 --> 01:18:21,122
York, I can't dress to the nines here and nobody would even look at me because
everything's just kind of plopped here from somewhere.

1016
01:18:21,122 --> 01:18:22,642
so nothing is out.

1017
01:18:22,642 --> 01:18:23,682
I mean, it's funny.

1018
01:18:23,682 --> 01:18:25,902
I mean, I can walk here naked and nobody would even look.

1019
01:18:25,902 --> 01:18:27,602
mean, people don't know.

1020
01:18:27,618 --> 01:18:33,035
Yeah, I've often wondered how far I could get on foot if I just like tried to run across
the Queensborough bridge.

1021
01:18:33,035 --> 01:18:35,814
I'm gonna try one day.

1022
01:18:35,814 --> 01:18:38,716
well, I- Get all the way across.

1023
01:18:40,082 --> 01:18:50,362
But I have, I think the funniest thing I ever remember was that, you know, I used to live
out in Oregon and sometimes I'd be driving out to, I mean, Portland's a little different,

1024
01:18:50,362 --> 01:18:53,462
it's a city, but you'd get out to like Eastern Oregon.

1025
01:18:53,482 --> 01:18:56,442
And this is like a whole nother place.

1026
01:18:56,642 --> 01:19:04,686
Oh no, Eugene's still, but I'm talking like Eastern Oregon, like the desert in Oregon,
which is over half the state actually.

1027
01:19:04,686 --> 01:19:06,142
I had no idea it was a death.

1028
01:19:06,142 --> 01:19:07,742
most of Oregon is a desert.

1029
01:19:07,742 --> 01:19:08,242
Oh wow.

1030
01:19:08,242 --> 01:19:12,722
Yeah, the people live in the valley, but the desert is where most of the land is.

1031
01:19:12,722 --> 01:19:13,262
Okay.

1032
01:19:13,262 --> 01:19:14,562
And it's really beautiful.

1033
01:19:14,562 --> 01:19:15,302
It's high desert.

1034
01:19:15,302 --> 01:19:16,762
It's most of the state's high desert.

1035
01:19:16,762 --> 01:19:28,102
And you go out there, and I remember I was going out there, it was really funny because I
was driving, I was going to some retreat, some photography retreat out, oh god, middle of

1036
01:19:28,102 --> 01:19:30,262
nowhere in Eastern Oregon near Idaho.

1037
01:19:30,786 --> 01:19:35,158
And oh I was, first of all, was driving, because I always liked convertibles.

1038
01:19:35,158 --> 01:19:38,510
So I was driving like a Toyota MR2 with the top off.

1039
01:19:38,510 --> 01:19:39,490
That was my car.

1040
01:19:39,490 --> 01:19:41,211
For 20 years, I drove it.

1041
01:19:41,211 --> 01:19:45,273
For 20 years, I had like one of these little compact MR2s.

1042
01:19:45,513 --> 01:19:49,495
And so I, and a white, it was an all white MR2.

1043
01:19:49,495 --> 01:19:52,136
And I'm driving in the middle of desert.

1044
01:19:52,136 --> 01:19:57,018
I come into like this, this gas station that had like a diner, right?

1045
01:19:57,619 --> 01:20:00,560
And I get out of the car and I'm dressed all in white, turban.

1046
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,491
you know, very blingy and the whole thing.

1047
01:20:02,491 --> 01:20:17,395
And I got out of my car and I went to pump the gas and I look in the diner, everyone in
the diner is like their faces against the window and it looked to them like a UFO just

1048
01:20:17,395 --> 01:20:18,425
landed.

1049
01:20:18,545 --> 01:20:21,740
Seriously, they're looking at me like.

1050
01:20:21,740 --> 01:20:28,295
Like actually, like an alien creature in a UFO just landed in front of the gas station.

1051
01:20:28,295 --> 01:20:33,828
And I had to crack up because the people were actually paralyzed because it was out of
there.

1052
01:20:33,828 --> 01:20:44,166
so, when uh I go to some country and I'm in the middle of nowhere, like I'll be in the
middle of Bolivia or something and I'll show up and I'm dressed all in white with the

1053
01:20:44,166 --> 01:20:44,476
turban.

1054
01:20:44,476 --> 01:20:47,328
They've actually never seen a person like me.

1055
01:20:47,328 --> 01:20:50,890
Even in Mexico, when my wife met me, she never saw a person like me.

1056
01:20:51,698 --> 01:20:55,560
So, you know, I go to places and sometimes people never see this.

1057
01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:01,682
But again, you know, it gets back to Bona is like, it does does matter thing.

1058
01:21:01,823 --> 01:21:16,109
Even if they've never seen a person like me, if I'm congruent, what I really want to have
happen ideally is that my presentation, this is like the ultimate that my presentation

1059
01:21:16,109 --> 01:21:19,110
even to somebody who doesn't know what I am.

1060
01:21:19,458 --> 01:21:22,139
they'll immediately think of God.

1061
01:21:22,180 --> 01:21:37,630
That actually would be the ideal is that just the Bona would, not that I'm God, but you
know, in the way that they think of God, that when they see me, that that is kind of,

1062
01:21:37,630 --> 01:21:39,571
something in them is sparked.

1063
01:21:39,612 --> 01:21:40,678
See, it's the same thing.

1064
01:21:40,678 --> 01:21:49,078
We keep going back to like the sexy dress, like versus this dress, is that if somebody's
presenting them in this certain way,

1065
01:21:49,706 --> 01:21:57,053
Often the first impulse of the person seeing them, let's say a woman is dressing a certain
way, she goes into a club, all right, and a guy sees her.

1066
01:21:57,053 --> 01:22:00,176
The very first thing he's thinking of is getting laid.

1067
01:22:00,176 --> 01:22:01,718
He's thinking of sex.

1068
01:22:01,718 --> 01:22:04,771
He's looking at her and he's imagining her naked.

1069
01:22:04,771 --> 01:22:06,418
That's the

1070
01:22:06,418 --> 01:22:10,957
guys think that with every woman they see ever?

1071
01:22:12,482 --> 01:22:15,662
That's the popular like that's what's going around these days

1072
01:22:15,662 --> 01:22:31,158
uh You know, I know I well I would say this if if that's true Okay, then I think that's
even more reason for people to be careful about how they dress sure, okay if if that's a

1073
01:22:31,158 --> 01:22:36,091
tendency that's not Exactly harmless.

1074
01:22:36,091 --> 01:22:44,694
See, I don't think it's something you want exactly if that okay So I'm just playing
devil's advocate if that is how a man naturally would think

1075
01:22:44,756 --> 01:22:45,766
Okay.

1076
01:22:45,766 --> 01:22:50,678
Then he doesn't need any actual more uh stimulation or encouragement.

1077
01:22:50,678 --> 01:22:52,108
He's already thinking that way.

1078
01:22:52,108 --> 01:22:58,630
So why, what do you have to gain to actually, um, to increase that?

1079
01:22:58,630 --> 01:23:09,693
And what you're doing then is that if he's already being devil's advocate, if he's already
thinking of you in those terms, if he's already undressing you like that, okay.

1080
01:23:09,693 --> 01:23:12,614
Then if you are

1081
01:23:12,750 --> 01:23:16,950
If you're amplifying that, encouraging it, then you're manipulating.

1082
01:23:17,130 --> 01:23:17,190
Right.

1083
01:23:17,190 --> 01:23:18,610
And then you're being seductive.

1084
01:23:18,610 --> 01:23:19,830
seductive is being...

1085
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:25,710
Well, when you're being seductive consciously, then you're actively in the part of
manipulating.

1086
01:23:25,730 --> 01:23:30,290
And any time a person manipulates anybody, there's karma coming back the other way.

1087
01:23:30,578 --> 01:23:35,741
So it's always dangerous to manipulate because it's very self-centered.

1088
01:23:35,741 --> 01:23:40,523
And so if you're consciously trying to manipulate a situation, good luck.

1089
01:23:40,523 --> 01:23:46,686
If you want to manipulate it, you can manipulate it, but just know that you're included in
the equation.

1090
01:23:46,686 --> 01:23:48,757
You can't just manipulate another person.

1091
01:23:48,757 --> 01:23:54,189
If you manipulate another person, you're going to be sucked right into that whole drama.

1092
01:23:54,189 --> 01:23:55,730
And so be careful.

1093
01:23:55,730 --> 01:23:57,941
It's like they say, be careful what you pray for.

1094
01:23:57,941 --> 01:23:58,721
You just may get it.

1095
01:23:58,721 --> 01:24:00,112
If you want that attention,

1096
01:24:00,112 --> 01:24:02,832
just may get it, then you're to have to live with it.

1097
01:24:03,372 --> 01:24:15,232
So yeah, to me, again, if somebody is amplifying it, they're amplifying it to the extent
that people not only may be addressing you, now they're getting ideas in their head that

1098
01:24:15,232 --> 01:24:20,252
they're actually going to be doing something about it or hoping to do something about it.

1099
01:24:20,252 --> 01:24:27,052
So then that's why there's religious stress, because there's an unconscious idea that

1100
01:24:27,136 --> 01:24:28,847
Okay, we're going to take another way.

1101
01:24:28,847 --> 01:24:38,310
Instead of somebody seeing me and thinking about sex, ideally I'm trying to inspire so
somebody will look at me and it'll touch a part of them that's very divine.

1102
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:51,307
So I'm actually using my projection as a way to uplift the people around me, not as a way
to actually uh just trouble them.

1103
01:24:51,307 --> 01:24:53,466
Right, or show off or...

1104
01:24:53,478 --> 01:24:54,634
but you're gonna get a reaction

1105
01:24:54,634 --> 01:24:58,596
And actually, what you can do is you can upset people even.

1106
01:24:58,596 --> 01:25:00,717
You can upset and you get their head crazy.

1107
01:25:00,717 --> 01:25:03,918
And sure you can, you get people crazy.

1108
01:25:04,279 --> 01:25:05,289
Sure, why wouldn't you?

1109
01:25:05,289 --> 01:25:18,675
mean, if you, you know, and I've seen this, like somebody who's very suggestive, and she's
in an environment where she's certainly not going to engage in sex with the people in that

1110
01:25:18,675 --> 01:25:19,986
environment.

1111
01:25:20,216 --> 01:25:20,682
Yeah.

1112
01:25:20,682 --> 01:25:23,843
now they're all stimulated and they're all wacky.

1113
01:25:23,884 --> 01:25:24,884
Okay.

1114
01:25:24,884 --> 01:25:28,365
And so what exactly is helpful about that?

1115
01:25:29,807 --> 01:25:32,348
And in fact, it could turn into something that's bad.

1116
01:25:32,348 --> 01:25:33,068
Sure.

1117
01:25:33,068 --> 01:25:40,972
And actually even stimulate the guy into later on uh doing something that he shouldn't be
doing to somebody else.

1118
01:25:41,192 --> 01:25:45,091
I mean, you know, oh it's just like, like, again, it's

1119
01:25:45,091 --> 01:25:48,722
it's to me you know a woman wants

1120
01:25:48,782 --> 01:25:51,842
said something to me and it left a big impression on me.

1121
01:25:51,842 --> 01:25:55,602
And it's actually somebody who I know to be a hardcore feminist.

1122
01:25:55,682 --> 01:26:02,322
And we were talking about this thing and she was a feminist and I joked to her, but we're
very good friends.

1123
01:26:04,082 --> 01:26:09,102
Feminist, you you're sexy for a feminist.

1124
01:26:09,242 --> 01:26:13,602
And she said to me, I knew from college, you're very serious.

1125
01:26:13,602 --> 01:26:15,862
And I said, oh, you're just kind of sexy feminist.

1126
01:26:15,862 --> 01:26:17,802
And she said,

1127
01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:21,778
Well, there's nothing she said this well shows there's nothing m

1128
01:26:21,778 --> 01:26:22,989
innocent flirtation.

1129
01:26:22,989 --> 01:26:27,450
And I said to, don't agree with you.

1130
01:26:27,450 --> 01:26:31,201
I think that there's no such thing as innocent flirtation.

1131
01:26:31,201 --> 01:26:39,543
I don't think flirtation is ever innocent because innocent would suggest that it's
harmless.

1132
01:26:39,543 --> 01:26:48,506
And I don't think flirtation is ever harmless because you're disturbing people and your
intent is to disturb.

1133
01:26:49,524 --> 01:26:56,217
you think it's fun, but it's not like my idea fun.

1134
01:26:56,797 --> 01:27:07,181
It's not really how you want somebody to look at you, and why don't you engage with
somebody honestly and not suggestively?

1135
01:27:07,662 --> 01:27:11,471
People should really enjoy you just for being yourself.

1136
01:27:12,897 --> 01:27:14,309
And they'll find that sex.

1137
01:27:14,309 --> 01:27:24,018
in a healthy way and if they're interested in engaging you further, that's a whole nother
history, but but you know ah So again, it gets back to bond.

1138
01:27:24,018 --> 01:27:28,012
It's like, you know, what kind of effect do you want to have on other people?

1139
01:27:28,012 --> 01:27:29,858
I mean, how do you want people to...

1140
01:27:29,858 --> 01:27:34,658
you and what kind of effect would you like to have on your fellow human being?

1141
01:27:34,838 --> 01:27:38,298
maybe a lot of people none because like again I always thought about being on the subway.

1142
01:27:38,298 --> 01:27:41,484
So on the subway platform here coming to your place here.

1143
01:27:41,484 --> 01:27:42,028
And I was.

1144
01:27:42,028 --> 01:27:48,858
noting to myself how many of the people on the subway platform were actually trying to be
invisible.

1145
01:27:48,858 --> 01:27:59,704
They don't want to have any, they have no conscious, they're not consciously trying to uh
impact anybody in any way.

1146
01:27:59,704 --> 01:28:02,735
They're just kind of there doing fine.

1147
01:28:02,735 --> 01:28:13,060
But actually, I think that it's a nice thing to consciously present yourself in a way that
you know will be uplifting to others.

1148
01:28:13,060 --> 01:28:14,501
I think that is a good thing.

1149
01:28:14,501 --> 01:28:25,416
It takes a lot of self-confidence to do that, actually present yourself in a way that you
know will have not a neutral thing that people won't notice you, but actually people will

1150
01:28:25,416 --> 01:28:27,447
notice you for the right reasons.

1151
01:28:27,787 --> 01:28:29,768
And actually will notice you in a

1152
01:28:29,768 --> 01:28:32,731
that will actually ennoble their lives.

1153
01:28:34,553 --> 01:28:37,982
Yeah, inspire them in a way to do that because people

1154
01:28:37,982 --> 01:28:41,274
say that to me all the time.

1155
01:28:41,274 --> 01:28:42,784
Yeah, complete.

1156
01:28:43,505 --> 01:28:44,596
Yeah, complete straight.

1157
01:28:44,596 --> 01:28:47,267
I had had a really beautiful thing happen.

1158
01:28:47,487 --> 01:28:48,708
This is this.

1159
01:28:49,268 --> 01:28:50,148
Yeah.

1160
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:51,918
So I was walking.

1161
01:28:51,918 --> 01:28:52,598
on

1162
01:28:55,874 --> 01:29:01,816
street and this this woman in a very bad shape comes running after me.

1163
01:29:02,194 --> 01:29:06,048
I okay I start walking a little faster because she's definitely coming after me.

1164
01:29:06,048 --> 01:29:15,753
know why she's coming after me but this woman looks like really insane and I'm figuring
she wants money or something but she's right and I start what but she starts running then

1165
01:29:15,753 --> 01:29:20,524
she starts running and and she got me by surprise and she caught me.

1166
01:29:21,285 --> 01:29:23,906
Catches me and she actually grabs me.

1167
01:29:24,440 --> 01:29:28,513
And this is like in the middle of the.

1168
01:29:28,513 --> 01:29:33,096
like to the nines here, like, you know, jewels and all this.

1169
01:29:33,096 --> 01:29:35,098
She's grabbing me.

1170
01:29:35,250 --> 01:29:39,342
And my first thought is, OK, you know, how much am I going to give her?

1171
01:29:39,342 --> 01:29:41,523
Because I think that's what she's doing.

1172
01:29:42,164 --> 01:29:53,583
And because I wasn't thinking in the moment, and she asked me and she's going, she goes,
oh, and she was tuned right into that because she said to me, she goes, oh, I don't want

1173
01:29:53,583 --> 01:29:54,784
any of your money.

1174
01:29:55,438 --> 01:29:57,378
She immediately said that she has money.

1175
01:29:57,378 --> 01:30:00,578
She goes, but please, please listen to me.

1176
01:30:00,578 --> 01:30:04,358
She goes, a few weeks ago, my husband died.

1177
01:30:04,398 --> 01:30:06,198
I have cancer.

1178
01:30:06,518 --> 01:30:08,238
I don't know how long I'm going to last.

1179
01:30:08,238 --> 01:30:09,378
I lost my job.

1180
01:30:09,378 --> 01:30:16,638
I don't have any insurance and I have nobody and I don't know what's going to happen to
me.

1181
01:30:16,638 --> 01:30:19,938
So I, when I'm asking you is for your prayers.

1182
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:26,952
So I just hugged her and kissed her.

1183
01:30:27,412 --> 01:30:30,044
And I said, well, of course, you're always going to have my prayers.

1184
01:30:30,044 --> 01:30:31,374
You're my sister.

1185
01:30:32,715 --> 01:30:35,676
And she would hold her shoulder.

1186
01:30:35,957 --> 01:30:38,338
And I said to her, I'm always going to love you.

1187
01:30:38,859 --> 01:30:39,779
And she'd go, thanks.

1188
01:30:39,779 --> 01:30:43,260
You're more money than anybody could give me.

1189
01:30:43,861 --> 01:30:45,540
And she would say,

1190
01:30:45,540 --> 01:30:49,856
and I'm going and I said to myself ah you know I remember

1191
01:30:49,856 --> 01:31:01,493
time in my life early when I got into this lifestyle that it would just freak me out that
people would stare at me and then I said to myself my god I am so happy I have this life

1192
01:31:01,493 --> 01:31:07,796
because if I actually didn't hold myself out this way actually would have happened.

1193
01:31:08,137 --> 01:31:17,402
She wouldn't have anybody but she saw me and she thought okay this is somebody who my soul
can talk to and so

1194
01:31:17,493 --> 01:31:18,841
you know, that's, that's what I'm saying.

1195
01:31:18,841 --> 01:31:19,682
that's.

1196
01:31:20,526 --> 01:31:24,926
why I think it's important to be conscious with your projection.

1197
01:31:24,926 --> 01:31:28,386
Because it can have a big impact on people.

1198
01:31:28,386 --> 01:31:38,766
To dress like this to do it either, there just has to be something about your projection
that lets people know that you're a person who's a soulful person.

1199
01:31:40,166 --> 01:31:45,324
And unfortunately, that's not what people are doing now.

1200
01:31:45,324 --> 01:31:46,375
Yeah.

1201
01:31:46,736 --> 01:31:48,096
But some people do it.

1202
01:31:48,096 --> 01:31:52,243
You do see people who they've just got that walk.

1203
01:31:52,243 --> 01:31:53,685
They've just got that step.

1204
01:31:53,685 --> 01:31:56,790
I mean, some of it is what they're wearing.

1205
01:31:56,790 --> 01:31:58,642
When you do them like like friends is very

1206
01:31:58,642 --> 01:32:04,562
interesting, like I see this a lot, because I've been involved in the arts too, I was a
photographer.

1207
01:32:06,102 --> 01:32:13,982
To find arts photography, and it was really funny because I'd go to class, and I'd be
wearing all white, and everybody in the class would be wearing all black.

1208
01:32:13,982 --> 01:32:18,842
That was their uniform, that's like the uniform of all the artists forever, that they're
wearing black.

1209
01:32:18,842 --> 01:32:20,682
I think, why are they doing that?

1210
01:32:20,682 --> 01:32:22,062
Why are exactly doing that?

1211
01:32:22,062 --> 01:32:25,152
It was almost like a, it was really interesting because...

1212
01:32:25,152 --> 01:32:26,318
I didn't partake

1213
01:32:26,318 --> 01:32:39,241
but it seemed like whenever I was in these the society of the artists whether it was
writers or photographers or whatever this book in and they weren't black

1214
01:32:39,882 --> 01:32:45,762
And like what, It was very...

1215
01:32:45,762 --> 01:32:50,042
So, but they're making a statement too.

1216
01:32:51,122 --> 01:32:55,662
And so it was funny because I'm saying that because...

1217
01:32:55,868 --> 01:33:01,051
I had a very good friend of mine who was having a very difficult time in her life.

1218
01:33:01,252 --> 01:33:04,654
But she was really into yoga, and she really respected me a lot.

1219
01:33:04,654 --> 01:33:07,676
And her life had hit an absolute rock bottom.

1220
01:33:07,997 --> 01:33:09,842
So she asked me if I'd go to lunch with her.

1221
01:33:09,842 --> 01:33:10,409
I said, sure.

1222
01:33:10,409 --> 01:33:13,961
She's going, you know, my life's hitting rock bottom.

1223
01:33:13,961 --> 01:33:15,582
Nothing is working out for me.

1224
01:33:15,582 --> 01:33:20,706
uh Just please give me one thing to turn around my life.

1225
01:33:21,792 --> 01:33:26,184
Said, well, you really want me to tell you something?

1226
01:33:26,184 --> 01:33:29,005
she goes, please, you're the only person I trust in this way.

1227
01:33:29,005 --> 01:33:31,345
I go, look, I'm going be honest with you, OK?

1228
01:33:32,306 --> 01:33:35,447
That you could totally turn your life around in six months.

1229
01:33:35,447 --> 01:33:37,608
Would you do what I tell you to do?

1230
01:33:38,248 --> 01:33:39,749
And she goes, well, of course.

1231
01:33:39,749 --> 01:33:40,979
I said, I'm not so sure.

1232
01:33:40,979 --> 01:33:43,830
OK, I said, so.

1233
01:33:44,590 --> 01:33:46,250
And she was a very stylish person.

1234
01:33:46,250 --> 01:33:48,290
had all black, but very pretty woman.

1235
01:33:48,290 --> 01:33:50,490
Very stylish, but very stylish black.

1236
01:33:50,490 --> 01:33:52,030
And the whole thing, she had the whole thing together.

1237
01:33:52,030 --> 01:33:53,290
It was all black.

1238
01:33:55,010 --> 01:33:57,550
This is all you have to do to change your life.

1239
01:33:57,550 --> 01:33:59,670
For the next six months, and you know what?

1240
01:33:59,670 --> 01:34:03,170
You can go totally back in six months, but just give this a shot.

1241
01:34:03,170 --> 01:34:06,810
For the next six months, instead of wearing black, wear white.

1242
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:09,510
Just drop the black.

1243
01:34:09,602 --> 01:34:10,653
place it all with white.

1244
01:34:10,653 --> 01:34:11,374
colors either.

1245
01:34:11,374 --> 01:34:14,167
Just wear pure white and you've been involved in this world.

1246
01:34:14,167 --> 01:34:16,029
I'm not telling you to be a Sikh.

1247
01:34:16,029 --> 01:34:16,890
Okay.

1248
01:34:16,890 --> 01:34:19,812
Do whatever you want, but just for six months wear a turban.

1249
01:34:20,653 --> 01:34:23,416
Wear a white turban and wear all white.

1250
01:34:23,416 --> 01:34:25,298
Don't explain anything to anybody.

1251
01:34:25,298 --> 01:34:26,919
Just go back to business.

1252
01:34:27,093 --> 01:34:28,245
Let's go about your business.

1253
01:34:28,245 --> 01:34:30,620
Go to you don't have to say you're seeking.

1254
01:34:30,620 --> 01:34:31,202
I just

1255
01:34:31,202 --> 01:34:33,483
dress like a Sikh, but don't be a Sikh.

1256
01:34:33,563 --> 01:34:35,484
Okay, just do that.

1257
01:34:35,665 --> 01:34:39,326
And I promise six months from now your life will be different.

1258
01:34:39,907 --> 01:34:41,487
Of course she didn't do that.

1259
01:34:41,768 --> 01:34:45,109
And her life kept continuing and actually declining.

1260
01:34:45,330 --> 01:34:55,035
But the thing is, is that most of her problems really to me came from what she attracted
by her projection.

1261
01:34:55,155 --> 01:35:00,328
Because actually in her heart she really was a person who should be wearing white, not
black.

1262
01:35:00,632 --> 01:35:06,025
that actually there was an incongruence that kept attracting the wrong thing into her
life.

1263
01:35:06,286 --> 01:35:11,449
She was really more about white than she was about black and she just couldn't accept
that.

1264
01:35:11,690 --> 01:35:17,034
And she, even though she may not be a seeker herself, I could see she admired what I stood
for.

1265
01:35:17,034 --> 01:35:20,256
So I'm saying, what, you be that.

1266
01:35:20,256 --> 01:35:28,832
And you've had a problem of constantly attracting into your life uncommitted banana spine
men.

1267
01:35:30,486 --> 01:35:31,406
Constantly.

1268
01:35:31,406 --> 01:35:36,726
Okay, so if you actually wear a turban, you're gonna scare off all these guys.

1269
01:35:37,946 --> 01:35:41,406
They're not even gonna go near you because you're gonna intimidate them.

1270
01:35:41,866 --> 01:35:49,386
Okay, you'll be much too intimidating, so you will have, that's your problem, you're a
very, very beautiful, she's a very beautiful woman.

1271
01:35:49,386 --> 01:35:53,806
I said you got a problem, you're a very beautiful woman who's open for business to
anybody.

1272
01:35:54,466 --> 01:35:56,030
Okay, so.

1273
01:35:56,030 --> 01:35:57,719
open for business with

1274
01:35:57,719 --> 01:36:03,765
beautiful woman and you yourself have very low expectations for people being committed to
you.

1275
01:36:03,765 --> 01:36:05,987
So you pretty much can attract anything.

1276
01:36:05,987 --> 01:36:12,373
So what I do is like for six months you actually try to attract almost nothing.

1277
01:36:12,494 --> 01:36:22,954
that you, but not bad, but in a good way, that your projection is going to be so high and
so pure that you will scare off 99 % of the men because they're not even going to want to

1278
01:36:22,954 --> 01:36:29,914
get 10 feet near you because your vibration is going to be so high and they'll, you're
inferring, you see, this is the suggestiveness.

1279
01:36:29,914 --> 01:36:33,114
You're going to be suggesting that you're an angel.

1280
01:36:33,484 --> 01:36:36,095
That's your suggestion and your projection that you're an angel.

1281
01:36:36,095 --> 01:36:40,998
uh so they're not going to even go inside your aura.

1282
01:36:40,998 --> 01:36:42,959
They're not going to dig on back off.

1283
01:36:42,959 --> 01:36:47,681
But the only person who would want to enter into that is somebody who wants to live in
that.

1284
01:36:48,502 --> 01:36:56,105
And so I just want you to see for six months that just changing these two things, just go
from black and white.

1285
01:36:56,346 --> 01:36:57,836
You're already beautiful.

1286
01:36:58,474 --> 01:37:01,556
So you'll be beautiful in a turban with or without a turban.

1287
01:37:01,556 --> 01:37:06,800
But you can back off all the makeup, you can all this, you're naturally beautiful.

1288
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:14,304
Now you can be like very angelic, uh but you're gonna come off your whole projection as
very strong as it is.

1289
01:37:14,304 --> 01:37:20,088
you're do what it does and I think that will clean up 99 % of the garbage in your life.

1290
01:37:20,088 --> 01:37:22,828
Basically the garbage men will take out their own garbage.

1291
01:37:22,828 --> 01:37:23,266
Yeah.

1292
01:37:23,266 --> 01:37:24,456
You won't actually have to.

1293
01:37:24,456 --> 01:37:34,325
just show up and the people who are just causing you grief are all going to disappear and
you're going to attract into your life people who want to be in that vibration and it'll

1294
01:37:34,325 --> 01:37:36,037
change everything around you.

1295
01:37:36,037 --> 01:37:40,320
And she didn't do it and so she just got more of the same.

1296
01:37:42,663 --> 01:37:43,824
yada yada yada.

1297
01:37:43,824 --> 01:37:45,115
But this a bonnet thing.

1298
01:37:45,115 --> 01:37:48,418
It's very just about turbines and stuff.

1299
01:37:48,418 --> 01:37:50,316
It's just about conscious projection.

1300
01:37:50,316 --> 01:37:52,601
Yeah, no, I mean, I like that.

1301
01:37:52,601 --> 01:37:56,502
It's funny because it just harkens to how...

1302
01:37:56,502 --> 01:38:01,415
You know, there's balance in the universe, but what you project is what you attract.

1303
01:38:01,415 --> 01:38:04,717
I mean, and it's, mean, that's true.

1304
01:38:04,717 --> 01:38:06,248
It's just the simplest way to put it.

1305
01:38:06,248 --> 01:38:16,354
You know, I mean, from, you know, whether it's like, if you want to fit in with a hip
crowds, you start dressing hip yourself, you know, and that's what you get to, you know,

1306
01:38:16,354 --> 01:38:21,557
dressing angelic and scaring people away who can't hang with that shit.

1307
01:38:21,657 --> 01:38:22,734
That's pretty cool.

1308
01:38:22,734 --> 01:38:25,179
Yeah, well, and it's just at the end of the day.

1309
01:38:25,179 --> 01:38:28,483
all comes back to consciousness and awareness.

1310
01:38:28,483 --> 01:38:30,616
It's said it's not very complicated.

1311
01:38:30,616 --> 01:38:42,754
You know, it really demands somebody to just pay attention and take responsibility for
their own life and to just choose to spend this life in a very precious way.

1312
01:38:42,754 --> 01:39:05,138
yeah well thanks it's been another good one in the can I don't wanna be a slave of my
convictions Don't wanna be chained to my circumstance Don't need anybody but myself To

1313
01:39:05,138 --> 01:39:08,360
stay alive, I need time

1314
01:39:30,806 --> 01:39:32,358
you

1315
01:39:36,982 --> 01:40:05,714
I don't want to uh be a slave of my convictions My past is just that and it's gone To save
myself I need to serve no one I feel it's right, I may be wrong I need some special prayer

1316
01:40:06,834 --> 01:40:15,494
you oh

1317
01:40:17,841 --> 01:40:19,142
that's all

1318
01:40:29,694 --> 01:40:50,991
became nightmares my sunny skies turned into a sore reality far from the norm my hopes of
the future are gone i don't want to be a slave of my convictions don't want to stay

1319
01:40:50,991 --> 01:40:59,598
chained to my circumstance don't need anybody but myself to stay alive

1320
01:40:59,598 --> 01:41:00,802
you

1321
01:41:05,922 --> 01:41:09,585
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1322
01:41:10,166 --> 01:41:12,469
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1323
01:41:12,469 --> 01:41:16,573
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1324
01:41:16,573 --> 01:41:22,459
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1325
01:41:22,459 --> 01:41:25,020
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1326
01:41:32,310 --> 01:41:38,050
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1327
01:41:38,050 --> 01:41:41,859
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1328
01:41:41,859 --> 01:41:44,721
See you on the interdimensional energy matrix.

1329
01:41:44,814 --> 01:41:46,436
you

1330
01:43:25,294 --> 01:43:26,278
Oh

1331
01:43:57,654 --> 01:43:59,204
Mmm, stinky.