WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:13.240 practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Bible Guys. My 4 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:16.359 name is Chris Stuffer, John Tzarba. 5 00:00:16.839 --> 00:00:20.879 My name is Jeffrey Michael Forrest. There you go. 6 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:23.519 But you had a name change I did, yeah when 7 00:00:23.559 --> 00:00:23.879 you were. 8 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:26.839 Yeah yeah, yeah, and that's been sealed and nobody knows. 9 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:27.839 The records are sealed. 10 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:32.200 That's how did you get that record? Yeah? 11 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:35.640 But you were adopted, which makes it really cool. By 12 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:39.640 the way, whenever you read verses about how God has 13 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:42.439 adopted us and we are joint heirrors and we are 14 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:43.000 his sons. 15 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:47.399 Yeah, yeah, I was always God's plan to adopt you 16 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:49.479 into his very own family, think and it brought him 17 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:50.159 great pleasure. 18 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:53.079 I always think, Wow, that's amazing. Like you have an 19 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:56.679 understanding of that like few do. Yeah, which is which 20 00:00:56.719 --> 00:00:57.240 is very cool. 21 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:59.000 That's true. That's a cool one. 22 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:01.960 Oh, gay. So hey, today, Jeff we are going to 23 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:05.640 dive into the Book of Revelation. We have like seven 24 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:09.879 verses in the Book of Revelation, uh, where Jesus comments 25 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:12.680 They're the red letter edition, right, red letters, the red 26 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:16.799 Letters revelation. But before we dive into that, Desiree has 27 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:18.400 us doing a segment called. 28 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:19.680 Would you drive rather? Yeah? 29 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:20.480 Would I like these? 30 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:21.120 I like these? 31 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:21.480 Yeah? 32 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:23.959 And I haven't looked at these? Have you looked at him? 33 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:24.840 I didn't look at it? 34 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:25.239 Look at them? 35 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:27.840 Look at all? Good? So you want to do the 36 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:31.480 first Would you rather have a talking dog that insults 37 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:33.480 you or a cat that sings? Opera? 38 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:37.079 Oh? My goodness, it has to be the talking dog 39 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:41.200 opera all the time. 40 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:43.480 Yeah, they'd be rough, right, yep? 41 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:46.359 I mean opera is like I put it on and 42 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:48.319 I'm thinking, yep, I'm good for ten years. 43 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:51.599 Although it's funny because I think cats have the look 44 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:53.599 on their face like they're insulting you in their head 45 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:56.879 a jerk, right, dog. 46 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:01.000 Should have went the other way? Yeah, yeah, because because 47 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:05.359 because cats would naturally insult you. Right, But what would 48 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:06.200 you pick? You didn't pick one? 49 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:08.759 Oh I didn't. I would do the talking dog too, Yeah, 50 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:10.479 for sure. I think it'd be funny. 51 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:13.680 Yeah, it'd be funny, and it's yeah, it's over after 52 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:14.280 the insult. 53 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:16.039 Hey, my kids insult me all the time. 54 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:17.159 There, there you go. 55 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:21.599 It's pretty brutal at my house sarcasm is a thing. 56 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:24.919 Our whole family thinks it's funny. So you know, we 57 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:27.159 don't cross the line. 58 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:28.719 But it means tearing the flesh. 59 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:30.919 Yeah yeah, yeah, so we we we like to be 60 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:32.919 We like to poke at each other all the time. 61 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:33.919 Yeah that's great. 62 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:37.840 Yeah, so just have our dog do it too. 63 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:45.960 Like jumps of them just insult. Hey, move to the left. Yeah, 64 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:47.039 you get a hog up all the room. 65 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:48.319 Yeah exactly, all right. 66 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:53.000 Number two, Would you rather eat a weak old hamburger 67 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:59.919 or drink a glass of sour milk? Are you kidding me? Oh? 68 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:03.400 This is a tough choice. Wow, this is awful. 69 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:06.879 I am more likely to eat a week old hamburger 70 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:09.360 me too, especially it's been in the fridge. 71 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:10.039 Yeah. 72 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:11.639 It doesn't say it wasn't in the fridge. 73 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:13.360 Yeah, it doesn't say left out in the sun. 74 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:15.680 Yeah, but it does say the milk is already soured. 75 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:18.280 Oh, let me tell you something. There's there's a few 76 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:19.639 things worse than sour milk. 77 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.000 If I ever tell you I told you about my. 78 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:24.360 Wife is gagging listening to that. 79 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:26.759 I told you when we were in uh right on 80 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:31.560 the Tibetan border in China. And they like they make 81 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:38.960 their cheese and their tea with soured milk and it's horrible. 82 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:42.280 And so then the tea they don't use any water. 83 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:46.680 They use yak butter, y butter, so and it's it's 84 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:49.280 a soured butter. There's it's it's just it's essentially a 85 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:52.319 soured milk that they turned to butter once the milk 86 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:56.719 turned sour. And it is it's it has the consistency 87 00:03:56.879 --> 00:04:00.759 of like a cream of mushroom. That's what the tea. 88 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:03.479 It looks oily too, and it feels that way, but 89 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:06.800 the whole thing has this sour Did you ever it's rough? 90 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:07.479 So I drank this. 91 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:08.719 It's one of the hardest thing I've ever heard. 92 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:09.159 Did you say? 93 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:12.199 This is it's right on the border of China and Tibet. 94 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:12.719 It's abet. 95 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:17.199 No. I have a similar experience with the tea in 96 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:21.079 India where they make it out of yak butter. Yeah. 97 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:23.839 And uh and I I am about to tell you something. 98 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:26.959 This is honest, goodness truth. I drank a little thing 99 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:29.120 of tea this big they give me, you know, because 100 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:30.720 it comes like this and it was like oily on 101 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.319 the top and there was a piece of yak hair 102 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:34.000 in my teeth. 103 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:36.319 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. I've had that. I've had 104 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:37.079 that lots of times. 105 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:39.600 It's awful, absolutely terrible memory. 106 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:43.720 So I love I love Chima Salo right, yeah, yeah, yeah, 107 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.240 it's really good. But anyways, go ahead, Oh it's my turn. 108 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:49.160 Would you rather turn invisible but only when no one 109 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:52.160 is looking? Or fly but only three inches off the ground? 110 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:54.720 Three inches? 111 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:56.360 Yeah, that's rough. 112 00:04:57.079 --> 00:05:04.759 Three inches is rough. I would rather. Okay, So that 113 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.639 means that implies that if you're going to be invisible 114 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:10.360 and somebody turns around and looks at you, you become visible. 115 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:13.680 Yes, I would see. 116 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:18.079 Okay, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I can't choose 117 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:22.160 invisibility at all, because it's just a recipe of sort 118 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:25.279 of getting you in trouble. Right, Like what what the 119 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:26.480 purpose of invisibility? 120 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:28.319 I don't know, Yeah, right right. 121 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:32.000 Because it's stealth, and stealth is either going to be 122 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:36.399 funny or it's going to be you know, mischievous of 123 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:37.720 some kind of including like. 124 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:41.040 Listening, unless you're like in special Forces. Oh yeah, yeah, 125 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:44.040 then be invisibly pretty good. Except the problem is you're 126 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:47.279 only invisible when nobody's looking, right, So you're not stealth, 127 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:49.680 and the only practical one is three inches flying three 128 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:50.319 inches off the. 129 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:52.680 Ground, right, and and that might be fun if you're 130 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:54.560 lazy and you don't feel like walking. 131 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:56.360 Yeah, it'd be cool, kind of cool, kind of like 132 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:58.000 instead of a hoverboard, you just kind. 133 00:05:57.839 --> 00:05:59.480 Of go, Yeah, you just sort of lay down. 134 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:01.439 These electric bikes everybody has. 135 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:02.160 Could you wait? 136 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:03.279 Could there riding? 137 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:05.959 Do you stand up and flying three inches off the ground? 138 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:09.759 I would imagine, because I doesn't say you can't like Superman? Yeah, yeah, 139 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:23.040 that'd be really weird. Woa a pup? That's good, all right? 140 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:27.079 Would you rather be known as the person who makes 141 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:30.839 finger guns in every photo or the person who whispers 142 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:33.959 pew pew during serious meetings? 143 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:36.639 Aren't you already the person who does the finger guns 144 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:37.160 and everything? 145 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:38.920 I don't think I've ever done a finger gun and 146 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:41.879 a photo. Have I I'm not sure I've ever done. 147 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:49.240 I don't know, but finger guns are funny. I would 148 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:53.319 say I would say pop pew, pew pu pe. 149 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:56.079 Yeah, I would do the finger guns, would you? Yeah, 150 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:59.600 because it's a serious meeting. How do you know? Because 151 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:04.079 it says serious meetings during it does say serious, I 152 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:05.040 would go ahead and choose the. 153 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:07.160 Finger I'm gonna say finger guns too, I'm gonna say 154 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:11.000 finger guns too. Yeah, serious meetings like can you imagine? 155 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:14.959 Yeah? So, uh, pastor Crisp, I need to talk to you. 156 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:25.959 My aunt died that would you rather be chased by 157 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:29.920 a giant rubber duck or a swarm of inflatable flamingos? 158 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.600 What a senseless question? 159 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:33.000 Yeah? 160 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:36.720 First of all, who would choose to be chased? Period? Well, 161 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:39.600 you have to know by a giant rubber duck? What's 162 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:41.600 the difference? Are they gonna catch me? What are they 163 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:42.079 gonna do to me? 164 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:46.680 It's it's a single duck or a swarm of inflatable flamingos. 165 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:48.879 Yeah, but it's a giant single duck. 166 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:50.519 Yeah? How big is giant? 167 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:53.759 Well, giant I interpret giant is like a giant home. 168 00:07:55.120 --> 00:08:01.319 Smashing buildings, yes, or just a whole swarm of flatable flamingos. 169 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:04.240 Yeah, I'm going to say. I'm going to say the 170 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:08.040 giant duck because it feels like it's going to be 171 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:10.480 slow and it feels like I could outrun it. 172 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:13.959 Yeah, that's what you'd think. But even like Godzilla, his 173 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:17.560 steps are just so big, yeah that you know you'd 174 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:21.079 have to run. His steps are blocks long, and you 175 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:23.199 know you can't run blocks faster than he can take 176 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:25.519 one step, you know, because I watched the show. 177 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:27.480 Now, how do you know how fast I can run? 178 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:29.959 You can't run as fast as Godzilla can walk. I 179 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.639 can tell you that. So, so these are the deep 180 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:35.840 kind of conversations we have when when if anybody ever asks, 181 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:38.120 what's it like when you guys are off the air, 182 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:41.639 it's pretty much just like, this is rubber ducks and 183 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:45.480 Godzilla's okay, So which is it? Is it the rubber 184 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:47.600 duck or is it the inflatable flamingos? 185 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:49.799 All right, I tell you what. I changed my mind. 186 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:52.399 I'm going to go with inflatable flamingos because it doesn't 187 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:54.120 say that I can't have a machete. 188 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:56.639 It doesn't. It doesn't say that I'm going to take 189 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:59.200 them all down. Yeah yeah, just quick, and it might be. 190 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:01.480 Kind of fun, I mean swarming around me. 191 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:05.000 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Hey, it'll be like Sash Sword. 192 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:08.919 What's what's the game Candy Crush? 193 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:10.840 That's the game you thought of, But what's that? 194 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:12.440 What's the one where you're doing all the. 195 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:15.759 I was thinking of like Fruit Ninja or Fruit. 196 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:17.440 Injura, that'd be better. Yeah, Fruit Ninja, that's the game 197 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:22.320 Candy Crush Fruit Ninja, not Candy Crushes Fruit Ninja. Yeah. 198 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:26.120 Wow, Yeah, you just get done saying a couple episodes 199 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:28.240 that you play mobile Call of Duty sometimes. 200 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:30.240 Yeah, but I don't play any of the things where 201 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:31.720 you're smashing or cutting stuff. 202 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:34.200 Okay, But but the thing you came up. 203 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:36.200 With, I couldn't. I don't know. I knew what I 204 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:37.440 was thinking. I just couldn't get it out. 205 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:40.200 You know. Usually it's me who chooses the things that 206 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:42.519 aren't the manly things, and you make fun of me. 207 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:45.440 So I don't want to know about I don't want 208 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:47.639 to let it go. You know about Candy Crush. 209 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:49.879 I know about Candy Crush. I've never played it. 210 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:51.720 All Right, we need to get We need get go. Hey, 211 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:55.159 by the way, speaking of crushing, you know who's crushing it. 212 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:59.960 Jesus crushed it. Jesus crushed this next segment. 213 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:04.039 That's awesome. Yeah. So we're gonna read in the Book 214 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:08.399 of Revelation. Yes, and we're reading Revelation chapter one, and 215 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:10.559 actually I want to start with verse nine. If you 216 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:13.360 don't mind, I do not, is it okay? It says 217 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:16.240 I John am your brother and your partner in suffering 218 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:18.399 in a God's kingdom and in the patient endurance to 219 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:22.879 which Jesus calls us. Wow, that's a full sentence from 220 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:25.200 an old Christian. He's over one hundred years old at this. 221 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:28.639 Point, and he's banned to the island of Petmas. 222 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:31.799 Yes, and he'd already been boiled in oil and survived. Yes, 223 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:34.799 and survived. So I am John. Let me go back 224 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:37.480 and read this again now with that in mind. I John, 225 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.759 am your brother and your partner in suffering and in 226 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:45.159 God's kingdom and in the patient endurance to which Jesus 227 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:49.279 calls us. That's heavy. I was exiled to the island 228 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:51.240 of Patmos for preaching the word of God, and from 229 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:54.399 my testimony about Jesus. It was the Lord's Day and 230 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:56.879 I was worshiping in the spirit, and suddenly I heard 231 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:59.360 behind me a loud voice, like a trumpet blast, and 232 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:02.120 it said, write in a book everything you see and 233 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:08.080 send it to the seven churches in the cities of Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thiatyrus, Sardis, Philadelphia, 234 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:11.360 and Laodicea. When I turned to see who was speaking 235 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:14.279 to me, I saw seven golden lamp stands, and standing 236 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:16.080 in the middle of the lamp stands with someone like 237 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:19.279 the son of Man. He was wearing a long robe 238 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:22.039 with a gold sash across his chest. His head and 239 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.720 his hair were white like wool, as white as snow, 240 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:27.440 and his eyes were like flames of fire. His feet 241 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:29.559 were like polished bronze or find in a furnace, and 242 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:33.759 his voice thundered like mighty ocean waves. He held seven 243 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:35.840 stars in his right hand, and a sharp, two edged 244 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:38.320 sword came from his mouth, and his face was like 245 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:43.000 the sun in all its brilliance. When I saw him, 246 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:44.919 I fell at his feet as if I were dead, 247 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:46.600 But he laid his right hand on me and said, 248 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:49.320 don't be afraid. I am the first and the last. 249 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:51.799 I'm going to keep going. I am the living one. 250 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:54.399 I died, but look, I'm alive forever and ever, and 251 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:57.000 I hold the keys of death in the grave. Write 252 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:58.879 down what you've seen, both the things that are now 253 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:02.080 happening and the things that will happen. This is the 254 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:03.799 meaning of the mystery of the seven stars you saw 255 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:06.240 on my right hand and the seven golden lampstands. The 256 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:08.840 seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and 257 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:13.480 the seven lamp stands are the seven churches. That's kind 258 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:13.799 of cool. 259 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:16.080 Yeah, and he launches into a bunch of read letters. 260 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:19.000 The whole chapter two is all Jesus. 261 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:21.799 Yep, he's just talking. He's talking to all of the churches. 262 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:26.519 Yeah. And chapter three, by the way, yeah wow, so 263 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:32.399 so yeah, there's a note in my Bible. It's the 264 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:34.799 and by the way, this is a different Bible. This 265 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:38.559 is the Transformation Study Bible by Warren Weersby. 266 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:40.399 Yeah. I love that one. That's one of my favorites. 267 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:44.360 Yes, And and it talks about it makes a note 268 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:47.879 about this, and it says the special messages each to 269 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:50.519 the seven churches are given in chapters two and three. 270 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:54.919 Some students see in these seven churches a paranorma of 271 00:12:54.960 --> 00:13:00.960 the church history from Apostolic times ephesis to the Apostate 272 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:07.240 days of the twentieth century and Laos laodice Laodicea. Yeah. 273 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:10.440 That see, that's the reason why you read the scriptures, 274 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:12.240 because I mispronounced. 275 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:14.639 All of the Apostate Was it from the Apostolic times 276 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:18.200 in Ephesus to the Apostate history for days of the 277 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:23.320 twentieth century, which is he's saying it is Laodicea. Yeah, Yeah, okay, yeah, I. 278 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:26.720 Just think it's interesting how there's so much symbolism and revelation, 279 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:30.759 and how there's seven lamp stands and it represents seven churches, 280 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:34.600 and then there's a sword, a sword coming out of 281 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:37.000 his mouth. Yeah, isn't that crazy? 282 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:40.159 Yeah, of course, it's all symbolism, right right. The word 283 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:42.360 of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two. 284 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:45.519 Or that's what the bookie Hebrews says. Yeah, so it's 285 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:47.360 just that's the word of God coming out of. 286 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:51.600 His mouth and his eyes flaming fires. Yeah cool, Yeah, 287 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:52.639 it's extremely cool. 288 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:56.960 So the next time you see Jesus, yeah, it's not 289 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:59.519 a lamb getting whipped at the whipping post and nailed 290 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:00.200 to a cross. 291 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:01.320 Certainly not right. 292 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:05.200 So a lot of people, really they find a lot 293 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:09.120 of fondness in the crucifix. But the crucifix is history. 294 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:11.960 It's not the present. It's not now. It's not what 295 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:14.320 you're going to see in the future. Right, you won't 296 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:17.759 see Jesus nailed on the cross, having been humiliated and 297 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:22.120 beaten and tortured. You're gonna see this vision of Jesus 298 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.000 gold sash across his chest. Right, his hair is white 299 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:29.360 like wool, his eyes are like flames of fire. His 300 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:31.919 feet are like polished bronze brass and a furnace. His 301 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:34.600 voice is going to thunder like mighty ocean waves. It's 302 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:36.279 got the sword of the Word of God coming out 303 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:38.440 of his mouth. It's pretty cool. It's very powerful. 304 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:42.320 You know. I've always once I heard this, you know, 305 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:44.639 I was a young Christian. I heard this. Sometimes you 306 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:47.399 see a crucifix where Jesus is on the cross, and 307 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:50.360 then sometimes you see an empty cross, right, or just 308 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:54.799 a plain cross without Jesus on it. And it wasn't 309 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:57.720 until somebody had made a comment and said, hey, we 310 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:00.840 show we showed just a plain cross without Jesus on it, 311 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:03.000 because Jesus is no longer on the cross. 312 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:05.159 It's not on the cross right, right, he is. 313 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:10.080 Buried and rose again for our sins. That has post resurrection, 314 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:14.559 and now the cross becomes a symbol of how Jesus 315 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:18.279 paid for our sins, right. And I just always thought 316 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:21.120 that was neat, because I bet you there's a lot 317 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:24.799 of Christians out there who probably never quite think about 318 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:29.279 the difference between a crucifix or a cross that's by itself. 319 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:32.679 I think it was Carveccio, one of the painters that 320 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:36.519 were famous for light in their paintings. Back in the day, 321 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:40.080 when I was in Paris, we had a long layover. 322 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:42.480 One time, it was like ten hours or something. So 323 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:44.320 we left the airport and we went to the louver. 324 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:47.399 Oh yeah, and I wanted to go see the Mona Lisa. 325 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:50.120 And there's like a gajillion people in the Mona Lisa's 326 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:52.320 like the size of a postage stamp. It turns out 327 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:54.799 it's not that it's like this big bit. I mean, 328 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:56.639 there's like a million people trying to see it. But 329 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:59.960 wandering through the louver, I came up on this painting 330 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:02.519 I was listening to a walking tour took me there. 331 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:06.480 It was one of the painters of light and it 332 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:09.720 had this picture of the cross and Jesus on the cross, 333 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:14.000 and there was people around it, and for whatever reason, 334 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:16.279 I just stood there and got like these big tears 335 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:18.279 of one. It was a beautiful painting. And I'm not 336 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.799 normally super emotional about that stuff, but that painting, for 337 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:26.039 whatever reason, in that moment, just got me. It was 338 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:29.639 strikingly beautiful. It surprised me. I didn't realize I was 339 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:31.559 walking up to it and I just stood there are 340 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:34.519 big tears in my eyes for a long time, almost embarrassed, 341 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:37.879 you know, the tears of my eyes. So there's beauty 342 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:42.440 in seeing Jesus on the cross and realizing what he 343 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:45.440 did for me. Now, so I understand that painting he 344 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:47.759 had a couple of stripes and a couple drops of 345 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:50.440 blood down his face. That's not exactly how it was. 346 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:52.240 The Bible says you couldn't tell he was a man, 347 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.799 he had been so horrifically beaten. But in that moment, 348 00:16:57.039 --> 00:16:59.559 it was the idea that Jesus was there for me 349 00:16:59.879 --> 00:17:04.440 was beautiful. So I'm not against a crucifix with Jesus, 350 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:08.119 oh certainly, not not against it artistically if it's reminding 351 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:11.920 what Jesus did for you, just understand that wasn't the end, right, right, 352 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:14.559 So he's not there now, and this is who he 353 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:17.319 is now, ye, right? Is this He's going to come back. 354 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:20.319 And when you read the description of Jesus returning to 355 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:22.799 defeat you know, all the armies of the Earth and 356 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:25.880 all that kind of stuff, he's this warrior that's coming back. 357 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:29.519 It's just incredible, uh description. But I love this, uh, 358 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:30.880 this this picture of him as well. 359 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:36.240 So yeah, and and so Jesus is described as the 360 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:39.960 one who is going to defeat evil, and in Revelation 361 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:43.480 he casts uh, you know, casts the evil one into 362 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:46.000 the lake of fire. And there is there is there 363 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:49.200 is no question who's in charge, right, there's no question 364 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:52.039 who gets the victory. And uh, all the way through 365 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:56.319 the scriptures, when Jesus was on the earth, it said 366 00:17:56.319 --> 00:18:01.200 that the demons trembled when they came across across Christ right, right, 367 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:03.599 and and they said, they said, please, please, please, don't 368 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:06.400 don't harm us, don't let us, let us go into 369 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:08.759 the pigs, you know. And and and in the Book 370 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:13.400 of James it says, uh, surrender, submit yourselves therefore to God. 371 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:17.559 Was this the devil? And he will flee from you? Right? Uh? 372 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:21.920 You know. The Bible also talks about uh demon possession, 373 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:24.759 which we don't often talk about, do we. We don't 374 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:28.119 talk about demon possession very often. But if but if somebody, 375 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:31.720 uh you were to come across has some sort of 376 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:36.359 a demonic possession, uh, they're cast out just by the 377 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:39.640 name of Jesus Christ. So somebody came up to me 378 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:43.279 not too long ago. Actually it was that heritage on 379 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:43.640 the hill. 380 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:43.960 Right. 381 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:46.920 So when we baptized what was that five weeks ago, 382 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:49.680 before weeks ago, something like that, and uh. And they 383 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:51.559 come up to me and they had said, Hey, we're 384 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:56.079 worried about evil presences in this house that we are 385 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:59.079 in and uh and I said, well, did you did 386 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:01.599 you pray through the house? Did you walk into each room? 387 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:03.880 And did you speak the name of Jesus Christ? And 388 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:08.160 they said no. And I said, do that, you know, 389 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:12.279 have somebody, have somebody do that, Just just proclaim the 390 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:15.920 name of Jesus Christ in every single room. And I 391 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:18.640 haven't heard back from them, but that that'll do the trick. 392 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:20.880 Yeah, if their followers of Christ, they can do it. 393 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:22.200 You don't have to have a priest. Come and do it. 394 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:24.640 That's right, that's right, Come and do it. It's anybody, because 395 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:25.759 you have the Holy Spirit in you. 396 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:26.119 That's right. 397 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:27.519 And greater is he that is in you than he 398 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:29.119 that is in the world, is what the Bible says. 399 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:29.440 Yeah. 400 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:32.519 Right, So we believe in the priesthood of the believer, 401 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:35.920