WEBVTT 00:00:21.536 --> 00:00:25.696 Welcome to the podcast that refuses to live life on mute. 00:00:25.876 --> 00:00:29.936 It's time to amplify the truth and drown out the noise. 00:00:30.216 --> 00:00:35.976 Coming to you live from the Lord's Lair in the Shenandoah Valley, this is Life on 11. 00:00:36.236 --> 00:00:42.296 We're turning up the volume on faith and kingdom living. Here are your hosts, Jeremy and John. 00:00:48.916 --> 00:00:55.276 What's happening, doll? What's up, brother? Nothing. How you doing over there? Cold. 00:00:56.016 --> 00:00:59.036 Oh, it's a balmy 62 in here. 00:00:59.596 --> 00:01:03.616 Okay. All right. It's not that cold in here, but just getting from the car to 00:01:03.616 --> 00:01:05.776 in here was like 16. Yeah. 00:01:06.276 --> 00:01:11.936 Is that one of those 16? That's what it said on my car. Okay. It could be six or seven. 00:01:14.276 --> 00:01:17.176 Sorry, I had to. That's just wrong. Hey, we're wearing it out, 00:01:17.236 --> 00:01:20.796 though, so the kids are like done with it. I don't think that's true. Yeah. It is true. 00:01:21.296 --> 00:01:24.996 So our snowpocalypse just turned into sleetpocalypse. Yeah, man, 00:01:25.076 --> 00:01:30.056 I have never seen it sleet so hard in my life. Dude, it was a lot of sleet. It was wild. 00:01:30.336 --> 00:01:36.916 It was from the windows to the walls. We had like a waterfall of sleet coming off of our garage. 00:01:37.116 --> 00:01:39.256 A waterfall of sleet. Yeah. 00:01:39.756 --> 00:01:43.956 I don't think... A sleetfall. A sleetfall. It was a sleetfall. Okay. Yeah. 00:01:44.336 --> 00:01:47.156 Okay. Did you see some videos of the sleetfalls in West Virginia? 00:01:47.276 --> 00:01:51.616 That's crazy, man. That actually was pretty awesome. So I'd like to see that in person. It's crazy. 00:01:52.196 --> 00:01:56.936 So did you have some fun in the snow, the sleet, the ice, the wintry precipitation? 00:01:57.136 --> 00:02:03.116 Well, I got to use my skid steer to push snow for the first time. Did you love it? 00:02:03.436 --> 00:02:07.876 It was fun. I wish it was not quite as cold. And I guess cold. 00:02:08.546 --> 00:02:13.766 Skiddy, as we call it, doesn't particularly like the cold weather. 00:02:14.126 --> 00:02:18.946 So some new leaks popped up in the cold weather, and I may or may not have gotten 00:02:18.946 --> 00:02:20.306 hydraulic oil all over the driveway. 00:02:20.506 --> 00:02:24.866 Okay, but at least they were new leaks. 00:02:25.426 --> 00:02:29.066 True. And not old leaks. It was true. I had, like, when I drove it up to the 00:02:29.066 --> 00:02:33.066 garage to park it in there, no oil leaked out. 00:02:33.646 --> 00:02:37.186 Last night, I went out and pushed a little bit of snow, brought it back in, oil everywhere. 00:02:38.546 --> 00:02:41.826 I'm sorry. But I did find the leak this morning and fixed it. 00:02:42.046 --> 00:02:44.846 Well, that's good. Wasn't too terrible. That's good. 00:02:45.226 --> 00:02:50.026 Yeah. Well, we asked on our page if people liked. 00:02:50.466 --> 00:02:55.026 Oh, yes. Yeah. Actually, I didn't pay attention. What were the results there? 00:02:55.086 --> 00:02:57.686 So we had, let's see what we got here. 00:02:58.326 --> 00:03:03.186 There were seven people said absolutely. I'm one of the seven. Okay. 00:03:04.106 --> 00:03:06.626 Four said no way, of which was me. 00:03:08.506 --> 00:03:11.706 And 10 said one big snow 00:03:11.706 --> 00:03:14.486 a year is good for me does this count 00:03:14.486 --> 00:03:17.586 as one big snow i don't think so i don't think 00:03:17.586 --> 00:03:20.546 it counts i think it's one big sleet i mean 00:03:20.546 --> 00:03:23.566 so here's the thing like i actually don't 00:03:23.566 --> 00:03:26.406 hate snow as much as i say i was i was getting ready to call you 00:03:26.406 --> 00:03:31.486 on that because i heard you on sunday morning like i just hate all the decisions 00:03:31.486 --> 00:03:37.946 that come with it yeah you know like and then all just the extra you know making 00:03:37.946 --> 00:03:44.906 sure the making sure the plow works making sure the generators ready to go all the things yeah, 00:03:45.626 --> 00:03:49.526 Yeah, if it was just like, if it was clearly enough snow to where everybody 00:03:49.526 --> 00:03:53.386 knows we are not going anywhere and there's no decisions to really make, all right, I'm down. 00:03:53.786 --> 00:03:57.446 But when you get like, like this wasn't all that bad because most people figured it out. 00:03:57.806 --> 00:04:01.186 But, you know, when you get like the two inches or three inches and it's slushy 00:04:01.186 --> 00:04:04.426 and it's like, you know, you have to start thinking about all the things. 00:04:04.526 --> 00:04:06.626 That's what I don't like. Yeah. So, yeah. 00:04:07.286 --> 00:04:12.006 Meh. It was cute. Olivia and Haley and Jess all went out in the sleigh road. 00:04:12.306 --> 00:04:14.806 Oh, nice. That's always fun. Cool. That's always fun. 00:04:15.466 --> 00:04:19.466 Good. I know I'm old because 20 years ago I'd have been out in the Jeep doing 00:04:19.466 --> 00:04:21.026 donuts in random parking lots somewhere. 00:04:21.306 --> 00:04:23.566 Oh, I definitely would have been out doing something. 00:04:23.906 --> 00:04:31.926 Oh, yeah. But today I pretty much just plowed the snow and Riley and Talon are both over it. Yeah. 00:04:32.666 --> 00:04:37.226 So you excited about the Super Bowl? Super Bowl's coming. I'm excited about the food. 00:04:37.446 --> 00:04:40.646 The food's going to be amazing. The food is always my favorite part of the Super 00:04:40.646 --> 00:04:42.626 Bowl. I think the Super Bowl's going to be a bloodbath. I'm not going to lie. 00:04:42.906 --> 00:04:45.286 Oh, yeah. I don't think it's even going to be close. Yeah, the Seahawks are 00:04:45.286 --> 00:04:47.126 going to completely destroy them. 00:04:47.286 --> 00:04:49.966 Yeah, it's not either. If they don't, I will be very surprised. 00:04:49.986 --> 00:04:52.546 I think we should have just had the Seahawks and the Rams play two out of three. 00:04:52.986 --> 00:04:53.746 That would have been cool. 00:04:54.226 --> 00:04:57.206 That was a great game. That was fantastic. It was a really good game. 00:04:57.386 --> 00:05:00.566 Really, I don't know. Part of me wishes it would have went the other way, 00:05:00.646 --> 00:05:03.426 but, you know, it's all good. Yeah, I mean, yeah. 00:05:03.686 --> 00:05:06.706 It's all good. It's all good. It's all good? It's going to be a good night. 00:05:07.166 --> 00:05:11.846 It's going to be a good night. Oh, yeah. But I think the game's going to be... I mean. 00:05:14.106 --> 00:05:18.326 Unless the the Redskins excuse me the Commanders are in the Super Bowl, 00:05:18.806 --> 00:05:22.766 to me it's more about the food and getting together pretty much I get it the 00:05:22.766 --> 00:05:26.006 game is just have you seen where like every time a new Pope has gotten elected 00:05:26.006 --> 00:05:28.586 like the past three times the Popes have gotten elected the Patriots have been 00:05:28.586 --> 00:05:31.846 in the Super Bowl I mean the Patriots have been in the Super Bowl like. 00:05:32.806 --> 00:05:36.806 27 of the past 32 years yeah but they hadn't been in one in a while until a 00:05:36.806 --> 00:05:39.706 new Pope got elected okay gotcha so there you go Ha ha ha! 00:05:40.567 --> 00:05:43.627 Yeah. Crazy. Everything else good? Having a good week? Loving life? 00:05:43.947 --> 00:05:48.627 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, really didn't have to go to work today, but went in for 00:05:48.627 --> 00:05:49.847 a couple hours to do some things. 00:05:50.047 --> 00:05:53.427 You're such an overachiever. Back in the swing tomorrow. 00:05:53.727 --> 00:05:55.367 Everyone should be like you. With an 8.30 meeting. 00:05:55.787 --> 00:05:58.047 Mm. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. 00:05:58.567 --> 00:06:01.707 But no, other than that, I mean, it's all good. I love it. What about you? 00:06:02.107 --> 00:06:06.427 About the same. You know, it's weird because I took vacation there the first 00:06:06.427 --> 00:06:12.407 week of the new year, and And then last Sunday, I was preaching somewhere else to do an ordination. 00:06:12.587 --> 00:06:16.447 And then this Sunday, we were out. I have yet to kind of feel like I've hit 00:06:16.447 --> 00:06:18.607 a... It's been like three weeks of just wonky schedules. 00:06:19.087 --> 00:06:21.827 That's fair. Yeah. I mean, you did bring a good message on Sunday. 00:06:21.967 --> 00:06:26.827 Thank you. On the old YouTube. Yeah, God's good. Or Bookface. Bookface, YouTube. 00:06:27.287 --> 00:06:31.907 God's good. It was good. It's good. Hey, you got to go ahead and tell everybody 00:06:31.907 --> 00:06:34.467 who maybe hasn't seen the post about Olivia's, 00:06:35.103 --> 00:06:38.423 Oh, yeah. Checkup. Yeah, so Olivia had a checkup last week, and her, 00:06:38.503 --> 00:06:40.503 like, we called it the nubby lung. 00:06:41.303 --> 00:06:46.323 Which I like. Yeah. Her nubby lung is almost as big as her regular lung. 00:06:46.663 --> 00:06:49.483 So they've both grown. They've both grown really, really well. 00:06:49.703 --> 00:06:53.623 And so they checked her patch. Patch looks good. I mean, maybe getting the feeding 00:06:53.623 --> 00:06:55.623 tube out here in a couple weeks. Oh, snap. 00:06:55.903 --> 00:06:59.643 We'll see. So God's good, man. Okay. That's awesome. She's rocking it. 00:06:59.803 --> 00:07:02.363 So, you know, it's funny because part of us was like, oh, we're really, 00:07:02.363 --> 00:07:05.023 really, really ready for the feeding tube to come out yet. But then, 00:07:05.463 --> 00:07:08.803 dude, like, it's so funny when you have a baby with a feeding tube because you 00:07:08.803 --> 00:07:10.223 have to be really careful of it, you know? 00:07:10.363 --> 00:07:13.283 And so we'll see other babies doing stuff. We're like, oh, yeah, 00:07:13.343 --> 00:07:13.983 they don't have a feeding tube. 00:07:15.543 --> 00:07:18.983 You know, like, even, like, going sleigh riding, like, we had to, 00:07:19.003 --> 00:07:22.723 like, cover it up and make sure because if it hits the sled the wrong way or 00:07:22.723 --> 00:07:24.563 something like that, it'll just pop that bad boy right. 00:07:24.703 --> 00:07:29.763 Which, by God's grace, Olythia's only lost a feeding tube twice in four years. 00:07:29.803 --> 00:07:31.503 That's pretty impressive, actually. That is pretty impressive, 00:07:31.883 --> 00:07:34.043 especially as much as she's on the go. 00:07:34.483 --> 00:07:38.263 And neither one of them were actually her fault. Wow. That's even more crazy. Yeah. 00:07:38.523 --> 00:07:42.163 So it's pretty crazy. Yeah. It was good. It was good. Sweet. 00:07:42.303 --> 00:07:44.983 Yeah. We'll see. They're talking like they're probably going to pull it out. So yeah. 00:07:45.223 --> 00:07:48.983 Okay. Awesome. Good for her. Yeah. We're excited. We're excited. Sweet. 00:07:49.463 --> 00:07:51.403 So we're starting this new thing. 00:07:52.183 --> 00:07:56.663 Thing. This new podcast kind of mini series, Radical Frequencies. 00:07:57.183 --> 00:08:04.123 We're talking about the Anabaptist life and faith. Both of us grew up Anabaptist. I grew up Brethren. 00:08:04.583 --> 00:08:08.283 You grew up Mennonite. Mennonite, yep. Conservative Mennonite, 00:08:08.323 --> 00:08:09.963 not old order, but conservative. 00:08:10.932 --> 00:08:14.572 And so both of us have kind of grown up in that world. And even now, 00:08:14.692 --> 00:08:19.072 you know, we're CBC, which is still Anabaptist and pietist and all those things. 00:08:19.292 --> 00:08:22.732 And so we just really wanted to look at, like, I think that there's a heavy, 00:08:22.852 --> 00:08:27.372 heavy, heavy Anabaptist influence in the Valley, especially. Oh, absolutely. 00:08:27.652 --> 00:08:31.512 But not a lot of people actually understand. Like, I think because we're ingrained 00:08:31.512 --> 00:08:35.332 in it, maybe a lot of people don't even realize, like, oh, there are other ways 00:08:35.332 --> 00:08:37.552 of doing the Christian faith than the Anabaptist way. 00:08:37.892 --> 00:08:41.572 Absolutely. I mean, I would say that's true for me. for the most part. 00:08:41.972 --> 00:08:44.192 Was it a big deal? Like, when you grew up, did you guys, like, 00:08:44.372 --> 00:08:46.412 embrace the Anabaptist? Like, was it something you were conscious of, 00:08:46.552 --> 00:08:48.312 being Anabaptist? I mean... 00:08:48.976 --> 00:08:53.936 I would say not specifically, like it wasn't specifically like talked about as Anabaptist. 00:08:54.096 --> 00:08:58.976 It was just like, we were very specific in talking about why we believed what 00:08:58.976 --> 00:09:00.756 we believed, why we did what we did. 00:09:00.916 --> 00:09:07.136 I don't know that we were ever, we ever talked about it being Anabaptist and how we got to that point. 00:09:07.796 --> 00:09:10.916 But I mean, it was all the things, there I go saying things, 00:09:11.116 --> 00:09:15.336 all the things were important things, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:09:15.616 --> 00:09:19.136 See, it was, we were like undercover Anabaptist. undercover. 00:09:20.516 --> 00:09:25.956 The church where I grew up had some Anabaptist tendencies, but then had other 00:09:25.956 --> 00:09:29.276 things that clearly weren't Anabaptist that they did. Sure. 00:09:29.616 --> 00:09:33.376 And so that was a little different. It wasn't until I went to Liberty, 00:09:33.776 --> 00:09:38.696 which of course is not Anabaptist, that I really started to understand and really 00:09:38.696 --> 00:09:43.116 think about why I believed some of the things that I did, which caused me to embrace Anabaptism. 00:09:43.456 --> 00:09:47.696 Sure. And so for me, it was really, while I grew up in it, it was also a choice 00:09:47.696 --> 00:09:52.396 that I made to continue to embrace it. Once you were exposed to something different. 00:09:52.696 --> 00:09:55.856 Yeah. Yeah. And, and I mean, not that, and again, like Liberty was actually 00:09:55.856 --> 00:10:00.956 pretty close to what my church was, but then as I started studying like my faith 00:10:00.956 --> 00:10:03.256 and doing like these courses and stuff and I was like, oh, 00:10:03.876 --> 00:10:07.996 this is quite how, how church, the brethren or anabaptism would, 00:10:08.116 --> 00:10:11.216 would believe this. And so just breaking those things down. 00:10:11.616 --> 00:10:15.096 Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, there's lots of, 00:10:15.176 --> 00:10:17.076 you know, you got Mennonites. You got brethren. 00:10:17.516 --> 00:10:20.876 You have all the offshoots of both of those things. Sure. 00:10:21.476 --> 00:10:26.596 Quakers are Anabaptist. Amish are a form of Anabaptism. There's probably a couple 00:10:26.596 --> 00:10:28.256 others that I'm forgetting. 00:10:29.116 --> 00:10:32.856 Would Methodists? No, no, no. They're part. 00:10:32.936 --> 00:10:37.616 Well, it's weird because Anabaptism and the Reformation, they're in the same 00:10:37.616 --> 00:10:39.056 zone-ish historically. 00:10:39.476 --> 00:10:43.136 Okay, I was going to say, because evangelical United Brethren kind of. 00:10:43.782 --> 00:10:47.202 Became Methodist. That might be a whole other conversation. Yeah. 00:10:47.662 --> 00:10:51.602 We could do a whole thing on brethren splits, oh, for goodness sake. It's crazy, dude. 00:10:52.242 --> 00:10:54.582 But we are going to talk about throughout the next few weeks, 00:10:54.722 --> 00:10:57.702 like we're going to talk about all the things that make Anabaptism distinct 00:10:57.702 --> 00:11:00.022 or make Anabaptism different. 00:11:00.482 --> 00:11:03.502 Tonight, we're just going to kind of set the scene for it. And, 00:11:03.522 --> 00:11:09.402 you know, the birth of the Anabaptist movement, which was between like 1500 00:11:09.402 --> 00:11:13.082 and 1700 right in there. It was a lot of turmoil. 00:11:13.622 --> 00:11:19.562 It was not, I think sometimes we forget how radical to play on the terms that it was. 00:11:20.122 --> 00:11:25.002 There was basically the conflict became church and state and the marrying together 00:11:25.002 --> 00:11:31.942 a church and state and that the church was very much influenced by where you 00:11:31.942 --> 00:11:36.202 were born and the government saying all those things about you. 00:11:36.362 --> 00:11:41.502 And so there was basically a thousand year tradition of how you do church that 00:11:41.502 --> 00:11:43.362 the early Anabaptists broke. 00:11:43.562 --> 00:11:48.742 And the movement, the biggest part of the movement was, is they began to baptize adults. 00:11:49.182 --> 00:11:54.342 That's the name Anabaptists actually means re-baptizers, their emphasis on not 00:11:54.342 --> 00:11:58.862 being baptized as infants, being believers baptism. 00:11:59.922 --> 00:12:05.042 Believers baptism, yeah, is what we called it. Okay, so what did believers baptism 00:12:05.042 --> 00:12:05.882 What does baptism mean to you guys? 00:12:06.022 --> 00:12:09.222 What were the things to be believers baptized? So believers baptized, 00:12:09.502 --> 00:12:16.902 there wasn't like a specific age, but it was like when you were to a point where 00:12:16.902 --> 00:12:21.942 you understood what it meant to be. 00:12:22.906 --> 00:12:28.826 To repent of your sins and ask forgiveness and realize that you knew the difference 00:12:28.826 --> 00:12:29.746 between right and wrong. 00:12:29.946 --> 00:12:35.006 And when you did something wrong, you felt like you needed to do something about it, so to speak. 00:12:35.226 --> 00:12:40.386 So there's no specific age there. But at that point, that is when you usually 00:12:40.386 --> 00:12:45.186 either went to your pastor, went to your parents, went to a youth leader, 00:12:45.266 --> 00:12:48.206 went to somebody and talked about these things. 00:12:48.206 --> 00:12:55.526 Then it was like oh you might be ready to to be baptized and then it's like 00:12:55.526 --> 00:13:00.646 oh okay cool so that's what this means and then you know we we did like a. 00:13:01.345 --> 00:13:06.005 A pre-baptism class type thing where you just talk about what it means to be 00:13:06.005 --> 00:13:08.485 baptized and all those things. And then you get baptized. 00:13:08.845 --> 00:13:11.305 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty much. 00:13:11.805 --> 00:13:16.065 There's a lot of the pastors that I'm around, like they kind of say like 13's 00:13:16.065 --> 00:13:18.665 the age, which is funny enough. Give or take. Yeah. 00:13:18.845 --> 00:13:21.965 Earlier in my ministry, I probably would have said like around there, 00:13:22.045 --> 00:13:25.925 but I'll tell you, man, like that number is going to backed up for me a little bit. Oh yeah. 00:13:26.325 --> 00:13:29.225 And part of the reason is we have a world 00:13:29.225 --> 00:13:32.225 that if an eight-year-old says they want to be the different gender the world 00:13:32.225 --> 00:13:35.565 will embrace that and let it like not even ask questions sure and so if i have 00:13:35.565 --> 00:13:39.165 an eight-year-old who understands things about jesus and understands what an 00:13:39.165 --> 00:13:42.605 eight year old should like i've kind of gotten to the place where to me that's 00:13:42.605 --> 00:13:47.325 that's okay for the moment yeah yeah and and it's weird because i think if you 00:13:47.325 --> 00:13:48.385 grew up in those things like 00:13:48.805 --> 00:13:53.745 i didn't know baptizing i mean i knew baptizing babies was a thing but it like 00:13:53.745 --> 00:13:57.345 wasn't something that i thought like around here we did until later on in life 00:13:57.345 --> 00:14:02.685 same for me yeah and so and Whereas like I have never been to an infant baptism. 00:14:03.025 --> 00:14:07.205 We do baby dedications, right? We'll dedicate the baby and really we're dedicating 00:14:07.205 --> 00:14:08.705 the parents more so to the baby. 00:14:09.385 --> 00:14:12.925 But yeah, so then as I became a pastor and I found all these, 00:14:13.165 --> 00:14:16.025 like a lot of people who were like, oh, I was baptized as a baby. 00:14:16.525 --> 00:14:20.265 And I mean, I don't tell folks they have to be baptized as an adult, 00:14:20.345 --> 00:14:21.665 but I strongly encourage it. 00:14:21.805 --> 00:14:24.585 Sure. you know and i mean tell me if i'm wrong but i 00:14:24.585 --> 00:14:27.605 would imagine most people in that scenario 00:14:27.605 --> 00:14:30.425 want to be baptized yeah a lot of them do yeah 00:14:30.425 --> 00:14:33.645 i mean just just the way i'm thinking in my head that makes 00:14:33.645 --> 00:14:38.945 sense yeah and and i think that was a huge thing like that was a huge thing 00:14:38.945 --> 00:14:42.425 for early anabaptists like it would we'll talk about this in a few minutes like 00:14:42.425 --> 00:14:45.645 it would cost them their life which to me that's great like you talked about 00:14:45.645 --> 00:14:48.945 how radical it was and then you talk about what they started with doing and 00:14:48.945 --> 00:14:52.385 i'm like yeah that doesn't seem that radical but then And you're right, 00:14:52.525 --> 00:14:56.305 I mean, it could have cost them their lives, which to us, that's mind-blowing. Yeah. 00:14:57.619 --> 00:15:02.579 They also, part of the conflict was that early brethren, this is one of the 00:15:02.579 --> 00:15:07.999 things that really drew me to fully embrace the brethren, the Anabaptist faith, 00:15:08.419 --> 00:15:10.319 was sola scriptura and the Sermon on the Mount, right? 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:14.719 They took Jesus's teachings literally, specifically the Sermon on the Mount. 00:15:14.859 --> 00:15:17.819 If Jesus said, love your enemies, then he meant it. 00:15:17.959 --> 00:15:22.599 If Jesus said, don't get divorced, he meant it. If Jesus, like all the things that the Bible says. 00:15:23.059 --> 00:15:27.499 So it's a literal reading and interpretation of the Bible that the easiest and 00:15:27.499 --> 00:15:32.099 most accurate way to interpret the Bible is the black and white reading of the letters. 00:15:32.139 --> 00:15:34.619 And I feel like that's probably where you guys were. Absolutely. 00:15:35.259 --> 00:15:39.479 Yes, that's where we were, where we where we still are, in my in my opinion. 00:15:40.811 --> 00:15:43.711 They also believed in the full separation of church and state, 00:15:43.711 --> 00:15:46.671 that the kingdom of God is distinct from the kingdom of the world. 00:15:46.891 --> 00:15:50.331 And so we'll talk a little bit about how that applied. 00:15:50.431 --> 00:15:56.851 But very much, they believed that as Christians, they did not need to participate 00:15:56.851 --> 00:15:58.131 in the kingdoms of the world. 00:15:58.531 --> 00:16:02.211 And that's kind of evolved. Yeah, that's definitely, definitely. 00:16:02.351 --> 00:16:05.911 Now, I would say that was one of the biggest things I remember. 00:16:05.911 --> 00:16:10.951 When I, like, when I turned 18, my mom very specifically was like, 00:16:11.091 --> 00:16:15.631 make sure when you register to vote and which in turn you register for the draft 00:16:15.631 --> 00:16:17.931 that you register as a conscientious objector. 00:16:18.011 --> 00:16:20.271 And I'm like, what, what, I don't tell me more. 00:16:20.451 --> 00:16:23.191 Yeah. That was one thing I specifically remember. And now, I mean, 00:16:23.791 --> 00:16:27.231 then I understood why once she explained it to me, but yeah, but yeah, sorry. 00:16:27.411 --> 00:16:30.151 Well, and even like a lot of Anabaptists, early Anabaptists would, 00:16:30.191 --> 00:16:35.051 and still do some, take this to another, like they don't even serve in like public office. 00:16:35.391 --> 00:16:38.871 Like they don't work for the government, like none of those things. 00:16:38.871 --> 00:16:42.331 I don't know any personally, but I do know there are some Anabaptist congregations. 00:16:42.471 --> 00:16:47.231 Like if you're a member of that congregation, you like, you can't work for the government. 00:16:47.431 --> 00:16:50.311 You can't take, you know, you can't be on the school board. You can't run for 00:16:50.311 --> 00:16:52.871 public office. Like those things are very different than what we do here. 00:16:53.331 --> 00:16:57.771 And so that's crazy. I know some church of the brethren, it's not covenant, 00:16:57.911 --> 00:17:02.731 but like they won't allow you to be a member if you are active in the military. Really? 00:17:03.791 --> 00:17:06.671 It's just crazy, right? Yeah, that is. It's kind of mind-blowing. 00:17:07.011 --> 00:17:09.531 And then the fourth one, which is kind of a blend of the two, 00:17:09.731 --> 00:17:11.951 was the non-resistance, the pacifism. 00:17:12.291 --> 00:17:15.711 Boy, that one's complicated. We've talked about that with Scott already. Yeah, yeah. 00:17:16.351 --> 00:17:21.091 I go back to that podcast we did with Scott quite often because he really, 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:30.620 He really did a great job explaining the peace position and why he feels the way he does. 00:17:30.840 --> 00:17:33.780 And it really made me think a lot more probably than I ever have. 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:35.320 Yeah. So that was very good. 00:17:35.580 --> 00:17:37.740 Yeah, it was great. Anybody who hasn't listened to that, go back and check it 00:17:37.740 --> 00:17:40.160 out. Absolutely. It's one of my favorites that we've done. Oh, absolutely. 00:17:40.380 --> 00:17:47.040 And it's interesting because if you like, so Carl Bowman was a brethren sociologist 00:17:47.040 --> 00:17:51.560 and he did this back in 2008. eight, he did a book and it's called portrait of the people. 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:55.280 And he talked about how, like, as core as we say, the pacifism stance is, 00:17:55.560 --> 00:17:59.720 especially for the church, the brethren, like I think 70 or 80% of brethren 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:02.480 didn't even, didn't even like follow it. 00:18:03.340 --> 00:18:07.360 I mean, I can, I can believe that really. Yeah. But those are kind of the big four things. 00:18:07.740 --> 00:18:14.260 And so it reminds me, one of the scriptures that, that we pulled was X five 00:18:14.260 --> 00:18:18.500 29 in the scriptures. It says we must obey God rather than human beings. 00:18:18.620 --> 00:18:20.880 And that's really where the early Anabaptists were. 00:18:21.020 --> 00:18:23.760 And I think we're going to get to a point in our society where we have to think 00:18:23.760 --> 00:18:26.060 about that, too. We might already be there. Yeah. 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:29.460 And maybe not in the craziest ways like they did. 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:35.020 We were, you know, some of the ways counting the cost, right, is what we call it. 00:18:35.220 --> 00:18:39.140 It's the, in Luke chapter 14, when Jesus starts talking about if you're going 00:18:39.140 --> 00:18:41.200 to build a tower, wouldn't you make sure you got enough money? 00:18:41.340 --> 00:18:43.600 Or if you're going to go to war, wouldn't you make sure you have enough soldiers? 00:18:43.600 --> 00:18:47.060 And so the scriptures do tell us like if we're going to stand for our faith, 00:18:47.220 --> 00:18:51.600 we need to count what that costs before we're going before we do it, 00:18:51.600 --> 00:18:54.940 because it's a huge commitment that we get into when we're following Jesus. 00:18:54.940 --> 00:18:57.900 It's not something we should take lightly. It's one of the reasons why. 00:18:59.949 --> 00:19:05.249 I've never been a fan of people who they confess Jesus and they immediately get baptized. 00:19:05.569 --> 00:19:09.269 I think there needs to be a season in between those things because I think you 00:19:09.269 --> 00:19:15.149 can say yes to Jesus at an altar call and not fully understand what it means to follow him. 00:19:15.749 --> 00:19:20.729 I'm familiar with a person that I knew I was growing up with and knew right 00:19:20.729 --> 00:19:24.109 out of high school and they said yes to Jesus and they got baptized. 00:19:24.309 --> 00:19:27.169 And then two weeks later, they were like, I'm done with this Christian thing 00:19:27.169 --> 00:19:30.289 because all of a sudden they found out they couldn't sleep with their girlfriend anymore they you 00:19:30.289 --> 00:19:33.129 know could they couldn't drink and you know party and 00:19:33.129 --> 00:19:36.589 and out you know well they i guess they could but it wasn't encouraged and 00:19:36.589 --> 00:19:40.949 so like they sure didn't realize all the things that came with following jesus 00:19:40.949 --> 00:19:44.789 and like two weeks after they you know we were at like one of those heavens 00:19:44.789 --> 00:19:47.509 gates hell's flames things like they accepted the lord and they were all about 00:19:47.509 --> 00:19:49.909 it and then like two weeks later they were like oh no i ain't about this life 00:19:49.909 --> 00:19:54.249 yeah i'm not giving up all that stuff and so that's an That's an example of counting the cost. 00:19:56.349 --> 00:20:02.369 That's probably why we had to go through the, what did we call it? Membership classes. 00:20:02.649 --> 00:20:06.289 Yeah, like membership class or whatever. Because we talked about all those things 00:20:06.289 --> 00:20:10.969 and what it meant and your commitment to follow Christ and all those things. Yeah. 00:20:12.329 --> 00:20:15.589 We don't live in a place where, I mean, right now, as bad as things are in our 00:20:15.589 --> 00:20:20.449 country for some things, we aren't going to die because of our faith. 00:20:20.869 --> 00:20:26.129 Yeah. Agreed. If we die, it's probably not because of that, right? 00:20:26.249 --> 00:20:28.729 And it's not okay to kill Christians. 00:20:29.789 --> 00:20:34.169 Not in the United States anyway. Exactly, exactly. One of the things that I 00:20:34.169 --> 00:20:36.829 forgot about this until we were reading through some of these notes. 00:20:37.469 --> 00:20:42.989 So often Anabaptists would be killed by what they called the third baptism, 00:20:42.989 --> 00:20:48.269 which was a way of being mocked that the first baptism was the infant baptism 00:20:48.269 --> 00:20:50.089 and the second baptism was their confession. 00:20:50.089 --> 00:20:54.489 So the state would give them a third baptism. They would drown them. 00:20:54.789 --> 00:20:57.549 Oh my goodness. That's terrible. Yeah. Yeah. 00:20:57.943 --> 00:21:01.183 And so grief, like you're being mocked, you're, you're being executed. 00:21:01.263 --> 00:21:05.243 And like, that was by the state that wasn't like, you know, and I think in our, 00:21:05.423 --> 00:21:09.523 even in our country, like when we hear about Christians being murdered or even 00:21:09.523 --> 00:21:13.023 around the world, you know, it's, it's basically by religious zealots. 00:21:13.103 --> 00:21:14.503 Like this was by the state. 00:21:14.663 --> 00:21:19.583 This was government sanctioned executions, drownings. That's crazy, 00:21:19.703 --> 00:21:22.523 man. That is, that is hard for us to imagine. 00:21:22.703 --> 00:21:27.543 Yeah. The first, the first day, the first one that we know of was Felix Mancy 00:21:27.543 --> 00:21:29.523 was. He was, he was martyred. 00:21:29.683 --> 00:21:34.663 He was drowned in Zurich when his mother, like his mother sat there and watched 00:21:34.663 --> 00:21:38.703 him be executed for his faith. Man. Yeah. 00:21:38.983 --> 00:21:41.543 That's a, it's hard to fathom. Hard to imagine. Yeah. 00:21:42.043 --> 00:21:46.363 Yeah. I can't, I can't imagine, you know, what that would, but, 00:21:46.443 --> 00:21:50.323 but, and how easy it would have been to turn back and be like, all right, I'm done now. 00:21:50.503 --> 00:21:53.703 Like this is reaching a level where it's going to cost me something. 00:21:54.443 --> 00:21:57.883 Yeah. We also talked about Dirk Weilams. this is 00:21:57.883 --> 00:22:01.143 one of the most powerful illustrations of of 00:22:01.143 --> 00:22:04.623 anabaptism so while i'm's escaped prison and 00:22:04.623 --> 00:22:07.723 ran across a frozen pond to get away from from 00:22:07.723 --> 00:22:13.583 the police and his pursuer fell through the ice he turned back and saved his 00:22:13.583 --> 00:22:18.143 life only to be arrested by that same guard and later he would be burned at 00:22:18.143 --> 00:22:20.583 the stake now was he in prison for 00:22:20.583 --> 00:22:25.223 being i believe so i i think that's how that's I believe so, yes. Okay. 00:22:25.503 --> 00:22:28.543 I mean, that would make sense in the story. And those are those things. 00:22:28.723 --> 00:22:31.943 Like, could you imagine being, I don't know about you, like, 00:22:32.003 --> 00:22:37.263 if I was in prison for my faith and I escaped and somebody was chasing me and 00:22:37.263 --> 00:22:38.763 they fell through the ice, I'd probably be like, peace out. 00:22:38.863 --> 00:22:41.563 Like, this is, how many of us would be like, well, that's God's way of letting me get out. 00:22:41.723 --> 00:22:47.163 But his, like, conviction of pacifism and loving your enemies was so. 00:22:47.363 --> 00:22:49.143 I was on full display right there. Yeah. 00:22:49.763 --> 00:22:54.103 Pulls him from the ice. that guy still catches him and he gets burned at the stake. 00:22:54.901 --> 00:22:59.041 Dude, that's crazy. You're right. I mean, that's hard. Again, 00:22:59.041 --> 00:23:06.381 thinking back to the podcast we did with Scott, like, you know, am I willing to do that? 00:23:06.761 --> 00:23:10.221 Yeah. You know? Yeah. I mean, odds of me being in that situation are very slim 00:23:10.221 --> 00:23:13.821 here in the United States, but would I be willing to do that? Right. 00:23:14.281 --> 00:23:17.161 I don't know. Yeah. That's tough. It's extremely tough. 00:23:17.521 --> 00:23:21.861 Yeah. The early story of counting the cost in Antibaptism, really the biggest 00:23:21.861 --> 00:23:26.901 thing it reminds us is that the idea of being a Christian is not a label, 00:23:27.061 --> 00:23:28.581 but it's a radical choice. 00:23:29.221 --> 00:23:33.921 And I think that's one of the things that really draws me to Antibaptism is 00:23:33.921 --> 00:23:39.141 the radical stances that we have to take on some things. 00:23:39.241 --> 00:23:44.121 We choose to take on some things because the crazier the world gets, 00:23:44.121 --> 00:23:46.721 the more radical it is to be a Christian. 00:23:47.201 --> 00:23:55.581 There are decisions that we make every day that could easily make us very unpopular in the world. 00:23:55.681 --> 00:23:58.941 I mean, we're to the point where now, I would say, for most of us, 00:23:59.021 --> 00:24:02.641 taking a biblical stance on marriage seems very radical to people. 00:24:02.641 --> 00:24:04.781 Oh, agreed, yeah. To people, right? 00:24:05.041 --> 00:24:08.621 Taking a biblical stance on loving your enemies seems very radical to people. 00:24:09.561 --> 00:24:13.761 It's so hard because I think of the song I used to sing when I was a kid. 00:24:13.961 --> 00:24:16.761 They can tell we are Christians by our love, by our love. Thank you. 00:24:17.578 --> 00:24:22.778 It's almost like that has gotten flipped on its head where our love, 00:24:22.958 --> 00:24:26.998 people have turned it into hate, which is just unbelievable. 00:24:27.258 --> 00:24:33.698 Yeah. But anyway. Yeah. And so I would argue that if you are a Christian and 00:24:33.698 --> 00:24:41.098 there isn't some aspect of your faith as a American in 2026 that doesn't look 00:24:41.098 --> 00:24:42.758 radical to non-Christians, 00:24:42.918 --> 00:24:45.278 then you're probably not doing it right. For sure. 00:24:45.498 --> 00:24:51.198 I would agree. I think because Christianity has become sort of a cultural thing, 00:24:51.218 --> 00:24:56.458 you know, for the generations in front of us, like it was cool to be a Christian or whatever, 00:24:56.658 --> 00:25:01.198 like now to stand on those things seems radical. 00:25:01.418 --> 00:25:04.978 It seems radical for us, like the amount of young people that I'm like, 00:25:05.058 --> 00:25:07.758 hey, you should probably save sex till you get married. 00:25:07.758 --> 00:25:14.178 That is a radical idea in 2026. It is a basic biblical concept that up until 00:25:14.178 --> 00:25:17.338 like a generation ago, everyone was pretty much like, yeah, we agree with that. 00:25:18.318 --> 00:25:21.338 Even the thought of tithing, giving away 10% of your income. 00:25:21.458 --> 00:25:22.298 If you looked at somebody right 00:25:22.298 --> 00:25:26.558 now and you're like, hey, just give 10% of your income to the church. 00:25:27.778 --> 00:25:32.018 That's a pretty radical thing when you think about it, especially to people 00:25:32.018 --> 00:25:33.118 who've never done that before. 00:25:33.118 --> 00:25:41.338 But in the same conversation, you have other groups of Christians saying this 00:25:41.338 --> 00:25:43.318 to these Christians. Oh, absolutely. 00:25:43.678 --> 00:25:50.418 So you don't have the state church. Yeah. 00:25:50.618 --> 00:25:54.398 You've got Christians versus other Christians. Yeah. 00:25:54.718 --> 00:25:57.438 All right. So I'm going to tell you a story, and I want you to think of one 00:25:57.438 --> 00:26:01.158 while I'm telling the story. So what is, is there something that you have done 00:26:01.158 --> 00:26:05.998 that has been seen by the people around you as like extremely radical for your faith? 00:26:06.178 --> 00:26:08.758 Okay. I think I've told you the story. Maybe I've told it on the podcast, 00:26:08.858 --> 00:26:14.158 but so I do not say the Pledge of Allegiance. It's not something that I do. 00:26:15.183 --> 00:26:17.943 I don't believe that I have more than one allegiance to give, 00:26:18.063 --> 00:26:20.423 and my allegiance is to Jesus, to the kingdom of God. 00:26:20.623 --> 00:26:24.143 So I personally don't say the Pledge of Allegiance. I don't know if a lot of 00:26:24.143 --> 00:26:24.923 people knew that about me. 00:26:25.283 --> 00:26:31.263 But I can remember in my late 20s when I had done a lot of Bible study and I'd 00:26:31.263 --> 00:26:36.123 done a lot of study about the faith, and I came to this conviction that I was 00:26:36.123 --> 00:26:37.383 no longer going to say the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:26:37.523 --> 00:26:39.663 And I didn't really tell anybody that. 00:26:39.863 --> 00:26:43.123 Maybe Jess, I'm just not going to do this anymore. I don't think I can do it 00:26:43.123 --> 00:26:49.623 in good faith. And I can still remember being somewhere where the Pledge of Allegiance got said. 00:26:49.903 --> 00:26:55.023 And I stood up and I put my hands behind my back and I just didn't say the pledge. 00:26:55.983 --> 00:27:01.183 And four or five people around me picked up on it. And they were offended that 00:27:01.183 --> 00:27:02.523 I didn't say the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:27:03.523 --> 00:27:06.363 And one of them was like, why didn't you say the Pledge of Allegiance? 00:27:06.603 --> 00:27:09.623 And when I told them, that was so radical. 00:27:11.383 --> 00:27:14.843 I didn't tell them they didn't have to. I didn't do it. 00:27:15.243 --> 00:27:22.583 I didn't get drowned for it. But something that small that I was in a worship service. 00:27:22.603 --> 00:27:25.263 I was at a church service and didn't say the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:27:25.663 --> 00:27:28.503 And was actually bothered that they were saying the Pledge of Allegiance in 00:27:28.503 --> 00:27:30.743 this church service. Didn't make a big deal about it. 00:27:30.923 --> 00:27:33.483 Understandably so. And they just looked at me like I had two hits. 00:27:33.683 --> 00:27:34.743 Have you ever had something like that? 00:27:36.343 --> 00:27:40.003 I don't know. I don't know if there's been one specific experience. 00:27:40.003 --> 00:27:44.083 Experience, but I think I said going back to the Holy Cussing podcast, 00:27:44.083 --> 00:27:48.703 multiple people have made comments about how, oh, you don't cuss, 00:27:48.803 --> 00:27:52.663 you don't cuss, oh, you're a good Christian man, you don't cuss. 00:27:52.763 --> 00:27:58.503 I mean, sometimes saying it jokingly, mockingly, but people genuinely take notice, 00:27:58.503 --> 00:28:01.143 I would say, but not, I mean, yeah, 00:28:02.103 --> 00:28:07.483 one specific instance like that I can't think of. Yeah. Do you feel like, 00:28:07.603 --> 00:28:08.543 are some of those people Christians? 00:28:10.383 --> 00:28:14.663 They might consider themselves Christian maybe but it seems pretty rad yeah 00:28:14.663 --> 00:28:18.923 it doesn't fit let me put it that way yeah, 00:28:19.856 --> 00:28:25.216 And I mean, I would argue that really is like a place where the church must do better, right? 00:28:25.316 --> 00:28:29.896 Is there so many people that Christianity is just a label. It's just a thing that you are. 00:28:30.036 --> 00:28:32.516 Like I go to church or I grew up Christian. 00:28:32.736 --> 00:28:35.596 You know, it's very different. Like even when we were in Israel, 00:28:35.736 --> 00:28:41.776 we talked about like the difference between like Jews and like practicing Jews 00:28:41.776 --> 00:28:43.376 because you're born into that faith. 00:28:43.496 --> 00:28:45.656 And that's what sometimes as Christians, like they'd be like, 00:28:45.716 --> 00:28:47.976 yeah, I'm Christian. But why are you Christian? Because when my whole family 00:28:47.976 --> 00:28:49.576 is Christian and I went to church growing up. 00:28:50.696 --> 00:28:55.936 I mean, a lot of people pick Christianity just to identify with having never 00:28:55.936 --> 00:28:59.156 been to church before. They just identify as Christian. 00:29:00.516 --> 00:29:05.996 And the early Anabaptist movement reminds us that our faith is supposed to be 00:29:05.996 --> 00:29:06.956 something more than that. 00:29:07.076 --> 00:29:11.216 And as we go through the next few weeks, we'll be talking more about what that 00:29:11.216 --> 00:29:15.576 looks like and some of those stories and the core values. 00:29:15.576 --> 00:29:19.016 But overall like i think all of us the 00:29:19.016 --> 00:29:21.816 more and more our society drifts in the more and more this 00:29:21.816 --> 00:29:24.776 goes like we are all gonna have to take we're gonna have to count the cost because 00:29:24.776 --> 00:29:27.876 brother i think by the end of our lifetimes 00:29:27.876 --> 00:29:32.536 like it will look very different to be like i don't i don't believe that we 00:29:32.536 --> 00:29:37.976 will ever live in a place where christians are executed by the government like 00:29:37.976 --> 00:29:43.216 i think that religious freedom is such a powerful concept in the united states 00:29:43.216 --> 00:29:46.376 of america i don't think the government will ever sanction. 00:29:47.056 --> 00:29:50.936 I'd agree with you on that. I don't see that ever being a thing. 00:29:51.076 --> 00:29:56.636 But I do think that it will be normal to see Christians persecuted. 00:29:57.096 --> 00:30:00.956 And I think that we will see more people who are killed for their faith, 00:30:00.996 --> 00:30:03.836 even if it's still illegal to do so. 00:30:04.016 --> 00:30:06.496 I think we'll have more people that will stand up for the... 00:30:06.496 --> 00:30:09.036 I mean, we've seen... I mean, how many churches have been attacked, 00:30:09.216 --> 00:30:14.236 burned, going back to Charlie Kirk, all those things. Or people's businesses. 00:30:15.456 --> 00:30:17.796 Because of Christian owners. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. 00:30:18.992 --> 00:30:23.212 And so I think that's going to be more normal, but I don't, I don't think in 00:30:23.212 --> 00:30:26.372 the United States of America, not just because Christianity is so core to us, 00:30:26.452 --> 00:30:28.112 but religious freedom is so core. 00:30:28.552 --> 00:30:31.932 I don't think like we will ever be tracked down by the government. 00:30:32.092 --> 00:30:35.272 I agree with you on that. I don't, I don't see that happening. Yeah. 00:30:35.452 --> 00:30:39.552 But I mean, we do have to, we have to count those costs and some of those costs 00:30:39.552 --> 00:30:43.092 too are things, decisions that we have to make like for, for our children. 00:30:43.092 --> 00:30:48.132 Like you, we talked about this the other week, like sometimes holding onto Christian 00:30:48.132 --> 00:30:51.752 values and helping your children do that is going to make you weird as a parent. Oh, sure. 00:30:51.972 --> 00:30:54.652 It's going to make you look different as a parent because you're saying like, 00:30:54.752 --> 00:31:00.292 no, this isn't okay for these things to happen in your life and parenting differently. 00:31:01.372 --> 00:31:05.432 And boy, as both of us now have, you know, teenage children and some of the 00:31:05.432 --> 00:31:10.272 decisions we make with our children are very different than their friends and then their families. 00:31:10.412 --> 00:31:14.392 And sometimes, I mean, I know that the boys have told me like they have friends 00:31:14.392 --> 00:31:17.492 who sometimes their parents are like, man, your parents need to lighten up about some stuff. 00:31:17.572 --> 00:31:19.932 I'm like, wait a minute. We're some of the most easygoing parents that I know. 00:31:20.172 --> 00:31:23.252 That's true. That's true. We're just not going to let our boys do certain things 00:31:23.252 --> 00:31:25.292 that you apparently are okay with your kid doing. Sure. 00:31:25.992 --> 00:31:29.012 So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy, man. That reminds me. 00:31:29.312 --> 00:31:33.212 I've been thinking about this story. I don't remember when I heard it, who I heard it from. 00:31:33.452 --> 00:31:37.132 It was probably a church growing up sometime. But there's a story about, 00:31:37.332 --> 00:31:44.332 I don't know which country it was in, but a soldier came into a church service with his gun drawn. 00:31:45.392 --> 00:31:49.632 And this was in a time of persecution in this area. So everybody was like, 00:31:49.712 --> 00:31:52.032 oh, no, he's here to kill us all. Yeah. 00:31:52.372 --> 00:31:58.312 And he was like, I want to know who all believes in Jesus Christ as their savior. 00:31:59.192 --> 00:32:04.652 And he said, if you don't believe, get out. Everybody left except one person. Yeah. 00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.599 And he walked up to him and he said, he said, okay. 00:32:09.139 --> 00:32:14.219 He said, I want to be like you. Wow. How can I, how can I be like you? 00:32:14.399 --> 00:32:15.659 So everybody else was counting. 00:32:15.959 --> 00:32:19.079 They weren't really counting their calls. So they were like, I'm out. 00:32:19.299 --> 00:32:24.439 Yeah. But this one person was like, hey, I'm ready to see Jesus if that's what this is about. 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:28.799 But instead brought this soldier to Jesus, which powerful story. 00:32:28.899 --> 00:32:32.219 That's crazy. Stuck with me ever since I was a kid. Absolutely. So. Absolutely. Yeah. 00:32:32.479 --> 00:32:35.159 And I mean, you know, maybe that's something for all of us. think about 00:32:35.159 --> 00:32:39.939 like what are the things that you would die for like what 00:32:39.939 --> 00:32:44.639 are the tenets of your faith because baptism was so important to these people 00:32:44.639 --> 00:32:48.179 like be honest with you i don't know if like baptism like part of me is like 00:32:48.179 --> 00:32:53.299 um if we were baptizing you know we typically baptize back behind folks around 00:32:53.299 --> 00:32:55.979 rote and bark like if we were doing a baptism service somebody was like all 00:32:55.979 --> 00:32:58.759 right y'all need to stop baptizing or y'all going to jail, 00:32:59.952 --> 00:33:02.912 A, how many people would disperse? And what would I do as a pastor? 00:33:03.532 --> 00:33:06.472 Would I be like, all right, well, can I finish this? 00:33:07.792 --> 00:33:11.512 Or what would happen if those things were going on? We don't have to think about 00:33:11.512 --> 00:33:12.432 those things. Sure, not. 00:33:13.212 --> 00:33:16.632 What are the things about our faith that if we would go to jail? 00:33:16.752 --> 00:33:21.672 Like I've said before, I will go to jail over same-gender marriage. 00:33:21.812 --> 00:33:25.992 If they look at me and say, you either have to do this marriage to same-sex 00:33:25.992 --> 00:33:29.552 couple, or you're going to jail, I'll go to jail. It's that big of a deal for me, right? 00:33:30.752 --> 00:33:35.432 I would go to jail for, you know, that I believe the Bible is in any word of God. 00:33:35.612 --> 00:33:37.712 Like, if they looked and they were like, if you believe this book is God's word, 00:33:37.812 --> 00:33:39.272 you're going to jail. Okay, I'll go to jail for that. 00:33:39.592 --> 00:33:42.932 You know, there are other things I really believe about my faith that maybe 00:33:42.932 --> 00:33:46.472 I would back down from, you know, like, you know, we've said before, 00:33:46.632 --> 00:33:48.452 like, okay, I'll go to jail over baptism. 00:33:48.752 --> 00:33:52.732 But if somebody said, like, you have to dunk them three times forward. Oh, hold up. 00:33:53.792 --> 00:33:55.552 Hold on. How many times do you want to go? 00:33:56.652 --> 00:33:59.292 But those are those things like we have, like, we don't have to think about 00:33:59.292 --> 00:34:02.412 now, but But I guarantee you, the longer and longer history goes, 00:34:02.532 --> 00:34:04.932 we're going to start thinking about that stuff because, I mean, 00:34:04.992 --> 00:34:11.252 it very well could cost you a lot. And we see that in the early brethren, early Anabaptists. 00:34:11.852 --> 00:34:13.752 It's been good, man. I'm looking forward to the next few weeks. 00:34:13.912 --> 00:34:15.332 Oh, yeah. It's going to be great. It's going to be fun. 00:34:15.512 --> 00:34:19.092 We're going to tell some more stories from us. Oh, I'm sure there's plenty of them. 00:34:19.132 --> 00:34:23.872 And probably tell some more stories about some Anabaptist forefathers and really 00:34:23.872 --> 00:34:24.672 go through some of that stuff. 00:34:24.792 --> 00:34:27.252 Like, man, we've got to talk about John Klein. 00:34:27.652 --> 00:34:30.512 Oh, yeah. We've got to talk about Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Oh, yeah. 00:34:30.512 --> 00:34:33.292 We've got to talk about some of those historical figures. 00:34:33.472 --> 00:34:37.872 Those are really interesting if folks don't follow them. I also need to, 00:34:38.052 --> 00:34:40.792 before we go, I need to get... 00:34:41.750 --> 00:34:46.010 There's a Bethel Mennonite church history book, basically. 00:34:46.290 --> 00:34:49.170 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It has a lot of the stuff from the early church. 00:34:49.390 --> 00:34:52.250 Yeah, find that. Yeah, I need to find it. There's some very interesting stuff 00:34:52.250 --> 00:34:54.010 in there. I love it, dude. Yeah. I love it. 00:34:54.290 --> 00:34:58.230 All right, well, if you have some Anabaptist history or some Anabaptist stories 00:34:58.230 --> 00:35:00.490 that mean a lot to you, reach out to us and we'll make sure we include them. 00:35:00.930 --> 00:35:04.210 But along the way, we're going to have some fun. Oh, yeah. It should be a good 00:35:04.210 --> 00:35:05.490 couple of weeks, man. It should be a good one. 00:35:06.250 --> 00:35:10.210 All right, Duke and Louisville, basketball. Duke and Louisville should be going 00:35:10.210 --> 00:35:14.690 in the second half. We got a little Arizona and B-I-G. Let's check it out. I do. 00:35:29.525 --> 00:35:33.985 Christ. 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