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Do you have any tips for"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":436.06,"endTime":439.75,"body":"us about bandaging these type of"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":439.75,"endTime":442.48,"body":"wounds and how to get the"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":439.75,"endTime":442.48,"body":"bandage to stay on?"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":442.84,"endTime":445.54,"body":"Yeah, I think"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":442.84,"endTime":445.54,"body":"cats are always tricky because"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":445.78,"endTime":450.37,"body":"they don't behave as they should"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":445.78,"endTime":450.37,"body":"and there much more flexible,"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":450.37,"endTime":455.02,"body":"more wile, so it needs to be"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":450.37,"endTime":455.02,"body":"something that allows the cat to"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":455.02,"endTime":458.89,"body":"move freely. So what I like to"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":455.02,"endTime":458.89,"body":"do is a tie over bandage, it"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":458.89,"endTime":461.32,"body":"doesn't need to be super close"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":458.89,"endTime":461.32,"body":"to the wound, it can be quite"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":461.32,"endTime":464.68,"body":"far away from the wound edges."},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":461.32,"endTime":464.68,"body":"So I mean, the anchors can be"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":464.71,"endTime":468.79,"body":"quite far away. And then on top"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":464.71,"endTime":468.79,"body":"of the tie over bandage, I like"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":468.79,"endTime":472.27,"body":"to place, for instance, like a"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":468.79,"endTime":472.27,"body":"pet shirt, the cats really feel"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":472.27,"endTime":475.36,"body":"comfortable, feel secure, and"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":472.27,"endTime":475.36,"body":"then allows a little bit of"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":475.36,"endTime":478.6,"body":"fixation of the of the bandage"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":475.36,"endTime":478.6,"body":"as well. And then if it slips a"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":478.6,"endTime":482.83,"body":"little bit, it's fine, because"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":478.6,"endTime":482.83,"body":"we still have the pet shirt. So"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":482.83,"endTime":488.05,"body":"yeah, I really like a nice tie"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":482.83,"endTime":488.05,"body":"over and then a pet shirt. Maybe"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":488.05,"endTime":490.78,"body":"if the cat is well behaved, not"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":488.05,"endTime":490.78,"body":"wearing the buster collar. But"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":490.78,"endTime":493.18,"body":"that's another subject."},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":493.36,"endTime":495.7,"body":"If we can"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":493.36,"endTime":495.7,"body":"build on that actually, do you"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":495.73,"endTime":499.09,"body":"generally use buster collars in"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":495.73,"endTime":499.09,"body":"these cases? Or does it really"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":499.09,"endTime":500.95,"body":"depend on the individual cat?"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":501.49,"endTime":503.38,"body":"I think it"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":501.49,"endTime":503.38,"body":"depends on the individual cat, I"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":503.38,"endTime":508.27,"body":"would prefer to keep it just on"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":503.38,"endTime":508.27,"body":"the pet shirt. But it is case"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":508.27,"endTime":512.14,"body":"dependent too, these guys are"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":508.27,"endTime":512.14,"body":"proper ninjas. So we don't know"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":512.17,"endTime":516.22,"body":"how they're going to be until we"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":512.17,"endTime":516.22,"body":"actually have them in the"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":516.22,"endTime":519.55,"body":"hospital with a bandage, with"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":516.22,"endTime":519.55,"body":"the pet shirt, with the buster"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":519.55,"endTime":522.52,"body":"collar. So I would prefer to"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":519.55,"endTime":522.52,"body":"keep as minimal as possible so"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":522.52,"endTime":525.01,"body":"that they can feel more"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":522.52,"endTime":525.01,"body":"comfortable. But in some cases,"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":525.01,"endTime":527.41,"body":"if keeping the patient without"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":525.01,"endTime":527.41,"body":"the buster collar would"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":527.41,"endTime":531.13,"body":"compromise the wound healing, I"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":527.41,"endTime":531.13,"body":"would definitely place a buster"},{"speaker":"Rodrigo Paulino","startTime":531.13,"endTime":531.34,"body":"collar."},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":536.89,"endTime":538.9,"body":"Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":536.89,"endTime":538.9,"body":"listening. At International Cat"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":538.9,"endTime":541.12,"body":"Care we advocate for"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":538.9,"endTime":541.12,"body":"microchipping as being the"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":541.12,"endTime":544.48,"body":"primary source of identification"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":541.12,"endTime":544.48,"body":"for cats and, where collars are"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":544.48,"endTime":547.72,"body":"being used as a secondary form"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":544.48,"endTime":547.72,"body":"of identification, we strongly"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":547.72,"endTime":550.03,"body":"advise that they are quick"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":547.72,"endTime":550.03,"body":"release collars to prevent these"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":550.03,"endTime":553.54,"body":"types of injuries occuring. This"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":550.03,"endTime":553.54,"body":"is an issue where the veterinary"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":553.54,"endTime":556.57,"body":"profession has a strong role to"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":553.54,"endTime":556.57,"body":"play in educating and advising"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":556.57,"endTime":559.15,"body":"the public about what"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":556.57,"endTime":559.15,"body":"appropriate collars for cats"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":559.15,"endTime":562.9,"body":"are. 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And that's with"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":594.85,"endTime":599.02,"body":"Sarah Sweet and Dottie Laflamme."},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":599.35,"endTime":603.16,"body":"It's going to be live on the"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":599.35,"endTime":603.16,"body":"11th of May. The second webinar"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":603.19,"endTime":605.98,"body":"is from ISFM and it's on"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":603.19,"endTime":605.98,"body":"creating a cat friendly"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":605.98,"endTime":609.28,"body":"veterinary environment with Sam"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":605.98,"endTime":609.28,"body":"Taylor. And that's going to be"},{"speaker":"Nathalie Dowgray","startTime":609.28,"endTime":613.33,"body":"live on the 16th of May. 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