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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well today, Jeff, we are actually back in

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<v Speaker 1>the Book of Acts, chapter number twenty, because the Book

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<v Speaker 1>of Romans has come to an end.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, So we're going to pick up Paul is

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<v Speaker 2>continuing on in his travels and he goes to jail.

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<v Speaker 2>Is what's coming up next? Yeah, it's a tough one.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's going to meet with the leadership in the

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<v Speaker 2>Church of Ephesus first, So that's.

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<v Speaker 3>What we're talking about. He's Chris and I'm Jeff. We're

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<v Speaker 3>the Bible guys.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Jeff, we did miss you when Wesley stood in.

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<v Speaker 1>I know he did a great job.

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<v Speaker 2>But Kyle did a great job while you were gone.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we've missed each other quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we actually have.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah, it's going to be back together this week.

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<v Speaker 1>And so today I look forward to asking you this

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<v Speaker 1>because you're here next to me, which is what made

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff happy this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh this is a playoff of the most famous segment

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<v Speaker 2>We've got.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye Chris, which by the week, By the way, somebody

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<v Speaker 1>in our church lobby came up to me, like just

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday, which would have been a couple of days ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and said, hey, I have a question so what And

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<v Speaker 1>they said, why don't you ever ask what made Chris happy?

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, that's a great question.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a good question. That's not for you today,

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<v Speaker 3>that's for me today.

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<v Speaker 1>I get happy.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you trying to push in on my question? I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just trying to Hey, let's do what made Jeff mad

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<v Speaker 3>this week?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey? Actually I thought we were just having a good conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, I thought you're trying to steal. I thought

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<v Speaker 3>you're trying to ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we all ready to fight? So? What made Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>happy this week?

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<v Speaker 3>What made Jeff happy this week?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what?

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<v Speaker 2>So we just celebrated Valentine's Day? Yeah, and uh so

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<v Speaker 2>my wife she said, hey, I've got a plan for

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<v Speaker 2>Valentine's Day.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be a lot of fun. And I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, okay, this is great.

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<v Speaker 2>So that made me happy that she she made a plan,

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<v Speaker 2>because usually I'm the one that's trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>what to do for Valentine that's fun. But she put

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<v Speaker 2>together and she bought tickets and took us to the

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<v Speaker 2>Detroit Symphony and the Detroit Symphony was screening The Princess

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<v Speaker 2>Bride while they played the New orchestral soundtrack to it.

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<v Speaker 2>So Princess Bride was the soundtrack to the movie. The

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<v Speaker 2>Princess Bride was two guys. It was only two people,

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<v Speaker 2>a guitar and piano. That's the keys, that's all the

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<v Speaker 2>whole movie. But they went back and redid the entire thing,

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<v Speaker 2>full orchestral soundtrack, and it was brilliant. So the orchestra

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<v Speaker 2>hall was packed and we sat and they played the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, the conductor comes out and he takes his

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as he steps up on the conductor thing,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's cheer and he bows and then he whips out

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<v Speaker 2>his his baton and he points out to the crowd

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<v Speaker 2>and he says, my name is a Ningo Montoya.

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<v Speaker 3>You kill my father.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it's either you love or hate the Princess Bride.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he's from Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>So then he said, apparently the only thing is according

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<v Speaker 2>to this movie they come from Australia, is iye be

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<v Speaker 2>came Potter and criminals.

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<v Speaker 3>Populated by criminals.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember, So that show either you love or hate the

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<v Speaker 2>Princess Bride. And my wife and I our sense of

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<v Speaker 2>humor is we love the Princess Bride. So it was

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<v Speaker 2>funny sitting there, probably three thousand people in the orchestra

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<v Speaker 2>hall and everybody's quoting lines and laughing, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>so much fun. It was just a delight. We had

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<v Speaker 2>so much fun together doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>No more rhymes and I mean it, anybody want a peanut?

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<v Speaker 1>It's so great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that that was what really that maybe be

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<v Speaker 2>happy this week were.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I know this isn't the Chris Happy segment, but

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<v Speaker 1>my wife also planned, which is unusual.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, because my wife does.

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<v Speaker 3>We lucked out. We've got the best wives in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, And normally she doesn't plan these days, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're actually, uh, she planned a weekend actually that starts tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to Saganau overnight and we're seeing John Christ

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<v Speaker 1>the Christian car Yeah yeah, huh, and then we're coming back.

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<v Speaker 3>So that'll be fun good for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So Paul has completed his third missionary journey yep, and

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<v Speaker 2>he went back. In that third journey, he went back

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<v Speaker 2>through a bunch of the cities that he'd already been

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<v Speaker 2>too before, and he writes the Book of Romans that

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<v Speaker 2>we read and a couple of the other ones there

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<v Speaker 2>and then now he's in prison, getting ready to go

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<v Speaker 2>to prison.

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<v Speaker 3>So here's what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Says he was preparing to sail back to Syria when

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<v Speaker 2>he discovered a plot by some Jews against his life,

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<v Speaker 2>so he decided to return through Macedonia. Oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>we're reading in Acts chapter twenty first three. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>says several men were traveling with him, and they were Soapeter,

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<v Speaker 2>son of Pirus from Berea, Aristarchus and Secundas from Thessalonika,

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<v Speaker 2>Gayas from Derby, Timothy and Titikus and Trophimus from the

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<v Speaker 2>province of Asia. They went on ahead and waited for

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<v Speaker 2>us at Troes. When it says us, that's Luke and Paul.

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<v Speaker 2>So Luke, that's right. Luke is the writer of the

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<v Speaker 2>book of Acts. So all these other guys went out ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>and Luke and Paul are the us there. So these

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<v Speaker 2>other guys went out ahead and waited for us at Troas.

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<v Speaker 2>After the passover ended, we boarded a ship at Philippi

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<v Speaker 2>in Macedonia. Five days later joined them in troy As,

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<v Speaker 2>where we stayed a week. On the first day of

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<v Speaker 2>the week, we gathered in the local believers to share

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<v Speaker 2>in the Lord's supper. Paul was preaching to them, and

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<v Speaker 2>since he was leaving the next day, he kept talking

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<v Speaker 2>until midnight. I thought you preached long the upstairs. The

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<v Speaker 2>upstairs room where we met was lighted with many flickering lamps.

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<v Speaker 2>As Paul spoke on and on, a young man named Euticus,

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in the window sill, became very drowsy. Finally he

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<v Speaker 2>fell sound asleep and dropped three stories to his death below.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul went down, bent over him and took him into

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<v Speaker 2>his arms. So have you ever had people die while

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<v Speaker 2>you were preaching?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so many of us feel that way.

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<v Speaker 1>I was literally trying to answer that question.

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<v Speaker 2>So don't worry, he said, he's alive. Then they all

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<v Speaker 2>went back upstairs, sharing the Lord' supper and ate together.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul continued talking to them until dawn, and then he left. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>the young man was taken home unhurt, and everyone was

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<v Speaker 2>greatly relieved. Paul went by land to Azos, where he

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<v Speaker 2>had arranged for us to join him, and while we

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<v Speaker 2>traveled by ship, he joined us there and we sailed

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<v Speaker 2>together to Middelean. The next day, we sailed past the

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<v Speaker 2>island of Kios. The following day we crossed to the

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<v Speaker 2>island of Samos, and a day later we arrived at Malaydis.

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<v Speaker 2>He's telling this because he's being accurate with the travel pattern,

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<v Speaker 2>that all of his readers would have known these places, right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why he's saying this. He's not just claiming that, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we went on a journey. He's being specific on purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul had decided to sail on past Ephesus for he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to spend any more time in the province

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<v Speaker 2>of Asia. He was hurrying to get to Jerusalem if possible,

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<v Speaker 2>in time for the festival Pentecost. But when we landed

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<v Speaker 2>at Malayedis, he sent a message to the elders of

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<v Speaker 2>the church at Ephesus asking them to come and meet him.

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<v Speaker 2>And when they arrived, he declared, You know that from

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<v Speaker 2>the day I set foot in the province of Asia

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<v Speaker 2>until now, I've done the Lord's work humbly and with

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<v Speaker 2>many tears. I've endured the trials that came to me

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<v Speaker 2>from the plots of the Jews. I never shrank back

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<v Speaker 2>from telling you what you needed to hear, either publicly

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<v Speaker 2>or in your homes. I've had one such for Jews

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<v Speaker 2>and Greeks alike, the necessity of repenting from sin and

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<v Speaker 2>turning to God, and of having faith in our Lord Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>And now I'm bound by the Spirit to go to Jerusalem.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what awaits me, except that the Holy

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<v Speaker 2>Spirit tells me in city after city that jail and

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<v Speaker 2>suffering lie ahead. But my life is worth nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>me unless I use it for finishing the work assigned

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<v Speaker 2>me by the Lord Jesus, the work of telling others

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<v Speaker 2>the good news about the wonderful grace of God. And

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<v Speaker 2>now I know that none of you to whom I

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<v Speaker 2>have preached the kingdom will ever see me again. I

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<v Speaker 2>declare today that I've been faithful. If anyone suffers eternal death,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not my fault, for I didn't shrink from declaring

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<v Speaker 2>all that God wants you to know. So guard yourselves

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<v Speaker 2>and God's people, feed and shepherd God's flock, his church

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<v Speaker 2>purchased with his own blood, over which the Holy Spirit

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<v Speaker 2>has appointed you as elders. I know that false teachers,

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<v Speaker 2>like vicious wolves will come in among you after I leave,

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<v Speaker 2>not sparing the flock. Even some men from your own

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<v Speaker 2>group will rise up and distort the truth in order

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<v Speaker 2>to draw a following watch out. Remember the three years

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<v Speaker 2>I was with you, my constant waf and care over

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<v Speaker 2>you night and day, and my many tears for you.

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<v Speaker 2>And now I entrust you to God and the message

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<v Speaker 2>of his grace that is able to build you up

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<v Speaker 2>and give you an inheritance with all those he set

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<v Speaker 2>apart for himself. I've never coveted anyone's silver or gold

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<v Speaker 2>or fine clothes. You know that these hands of mine

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<v Speaker 2>have worked to supply my own needs and even the

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<v Speaker 2>needs of those who are with me. And I have

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<v Speaker 2>a constant example. I have been a constant example of

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<v Speaker 2>how you can help those in need by working hard.

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<v Speaker 2>You should remember the words of Lord Jesus, it's more

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<v Speaker 2>blessed to give than to receive. When he had finished speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>he knelt and prayed with them, and they all cried

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<v Speaker 2>as they embraced and kissed him goodbye, And they were sad,

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<v Speaker 2>most of all because he had said they would never

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<v Speaker 2>see him again. Then they escorted him down to the ship.

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<v Speaker 1>There it is, there you go. It was a long chapter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a nice story, yeah right, but yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a long long chunk there.

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<v Speaker 1>So the very first thing we have to camp on.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this guy who follows three stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Down that's the best and dies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So think about this. You're making a joke about

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<v Speaker 1>like people falling asleep and dying when people preach. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm sure when Paul was in the city,

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<v Speaker 1>they probably could not get enough of him. So wherever

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<v Speaker 1>Paul was, whenever he started to speak, it's not like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to go home after an hour, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>North Americans in the twenty first century retired if you

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<v Speaker 1>go beyond sixty minutes, right, it's like, no, Paul's here,

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<v Speaker 1>He's not always going to be here. So who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't say how long a sermon was.

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<v Speaker 3>He could have went to midnight.

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<v Speaker 1>It went to midnight, right, it could have been eight hours. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so we have to understand, like the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>him falling asleep wasn't like somebody falling asleep when I preach.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, that's right, good job.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a one time when I first came to Heritage,

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<v Speaker 2>we were meeting in a high school, and before I

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<v Speaker 2>of adults six times total. Six well, and four of

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<v Speaker 2>the time went good thing hearing me position because God

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<v Speaker 2>didn't gift you to speak, right, I just did that

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<v Speaker 2>bad of a job. Yeah, yeah, I was just a

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<v Speaker 2>bad public speaker. So then Heritage hires me after me

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<v Speaker 2>only speaking one time, well two times. I spoke one

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<v Speaker 2>great speaker. But I think you're good. The well, there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many people I'm like, man if I could speak

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<v Speaker 1>So people who knew me but did not know you,

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<v Speaker 1>who visited Heritage, their biggest concern was, you know, is

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<v Speaker 1>I like Chris already? Because I know him and I

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<v Speaker 1>like him, But am I gonna like Jeff? And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>telling you just about everybody I've ever talked to, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I heard Jeff, and oh good thing, he's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh good great, Because I mean, I wasn't saying that

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<v Speaker 2>to get a compliment.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I wasn't very good at speaking, and so.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you've changed in the last how many years

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<v Speaker 2>Sixteen years, yeah, so it'll be seventeen in just a

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, this lady, I'm thinking while

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<v Speaker 2>I'm speaking, I was just aware this message I was

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<v Speaker 2>preaching wasn't the best message I'd given in a while. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>this one's just not hitting. And while that thought was

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get this straight. None of your woman falls.

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<v Speaker 3>Over while I'm preaching.

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<v Speaker 2>And while I'm thinking this is a really horrible message,

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<v Speaker 2>and you laugh.

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<v Speaker 3>I laughed out loud.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like goodness, and so the U and I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't like ahha, I would just say, you gotta be

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<v Speaker 2>kidding me, right right, And so I was like, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>rushes In had several firefighters. They come in smelling salts.

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<v Speaker 2>Immediately she wakes up, they pick up her chair, right

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<v Speaker 3>Took her out. It was great. And so just a few.

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<v Speaker 2>Seconds later they flashed on the screen in the back

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<v Speaker 2>that she was fine. She just it was a little

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<v Speaker 3>She was dehydrated.

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<v Speaker 2>So once we knew she was well, I said, hey, everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>I just got a message that you know, the lady

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<v Speaker 2>that fell over, she passed out, she was dehydrated, and

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<v Speaker 2>so thank goodness, and I said, you know, I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>what all you were thinking, and that was this is

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<v Speaker 3>And she just passed out when it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>That's funny, it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was terrible. So anyways, this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I did have on East sorry tostray, but I did

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<v Speaker 1>have on Easter Sunday one time, which is a pretty

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<v Speaker 3>So the room's completely that's like the super Bowl of

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<v Speaker 1>This guy. This guy was in probably like the fifth row,

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<v Speaker 1>So they literally had to wheeled down a wheelchair all

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<v Speaker 1>There's like a thousand people in the room, and they

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<v Speaker 1>wheelchair and take it all the way out. In retrospect,

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<v Speaker 1>what I should have done in the middle of my

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<v Speaker 1>message was stop and acknowledge what was happening, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>just say like, hey, what's happening. Can we get a word?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everybody, he's fine, he just needs to go out

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever, and let's leybe do a quick word a

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<v Speaker 1>prayer for you. So what we did for her, we

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<v Speaker 1>prayed for that lady and go back and here's but

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<v Speaker 1>here's what I did. I ignored it and kept on speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just thought because I didn't understand, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>comprehend what was happening, right, I just knew something was happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff's happening all the time while you're speaking and you're

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<v Speaker 2>having to filter it out or you can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it happens to me out time.

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<v Speaker 1>But people later on said, dude, you just kept on

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I I we did. We stopped and prayed for

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<v Speaker 2>that lady. And then I said later on, when I

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<v Speaker 2>was saying that, you know, she was well I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I was thinking, this is such a bad message.

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<v Speaker 3>I literally bored her to death.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And I thought that somebody who was in a

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't know what was happening. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's not what happened here. No, this guy dies

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<v Speaker 2>and then Paul, you know, raises him back to life,

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<v Speaker 2>which is kind of an interesting thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And well, I mean, don't breeze past that. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Paul brings a man back to life. That those are

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<v Speaker 1>like Jesus powers, right, which is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Jesus said that his followers would do the same

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<v Speaker 2>things he did, and even greater things, right, so it

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense that that, you know, miracles would happen like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, they're sharing in the Lord's Supper, which

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<v Speaker 2>is always important. They're doing all these things together, and

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<v Speaker 2>then Paul calls the elders of the church together and

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's a little teaching here. I think, if you indulge.

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<v Speaker 3>Me, for just a second.

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<v Speaker 2>So he says, Paul decides to sail on past Ephesus.

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<v Speaker 2>When he lands there, in verse seventeen, it says he

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<v Speaker 2>sent a message to the elders. Not the elder, but

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<v Speaker 2>the elders. So there's a plurality of leadership in Ephesus.

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<v Speaker 2>And then if you go down a little further, if

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<v Speaker 2>you go down to verse twenty eight, he said he's

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<v Speaker 2>talking to those elders, and he says, so guard yourselves

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<v Speaker 2>and God's people feed in shepherd God's flock. That's the shepherd.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where we get the word pastor from pointment is

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<v Speaker 2>the Greek word there shepherd God's flock, his church purchased

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<v Speaker 2>with his blood, over which the Holy Spirit has appointed

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<v Speaker 2>you as elders. That word, quite honestly is overseers. There

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<v Speaker 2>So even though the NLT translated as elders, which isn't inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>different versions here, yep, it says the Holy Spirit has

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<v Speaker 1>appointed you as leaders.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that word leader is episcopas it's bishop is what

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<v Speaker 2>that word is. So if you've ever heard the word bishop,

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<v Speaker 2>so really, what he's done is he's called the elders together.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, care for the people like pastors, provide good

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<v Speaker 2>leadership like a bishop. He's talking to the same group

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<v Speaker 2>of guys, right, the same leaders. And so where we

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<v Speaker 2>have I think in our need as humans to create

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<v Speaker 2>infrastructure and bureaucracy, we have bishops, and we have elders,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have pastors, and we have all these things.

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<v Speaker 2>About what Paula saying is, yes, that's right. What Paula

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<v Speaker 2>saying is the leaders of the church have these three functions.

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<v Speaker 2>As an elder, you need to be wise, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to be mature in the faith. You need to be

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<v Speaker 3>That's what an elder. The value of the elder is,

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<v Speaker 3>he says, be.

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<v Speaker 2>A pastor to them, watch out for them, protect them,

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<v Speaker 2>feed them, care for them, and then be a good

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<v Speaker 2>leader an overseer.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the delicacy, quite honestly, of being a well

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<v Speaker 2>balanced leader in the church is you need spiritual maturity,

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<v Speaker 2>you need spiritual care, be able to pride, spiritual care

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<v Speaker 2>with spiritual authority. Right, those three things go together. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's talking to a plurality of leaders, because I don't

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<v Speaker 3>No, I agree, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, And uh, you know, it's actually really important

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<v Speaker 1>group of appointed people.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, and and other parts of the scripture they talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the qualifications of elders, and it's really the same

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<v Speaker 1>qualification for pastors, right, So it's an elder should should

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<v Speaker 1>have a good, good character, be the wife or be

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<v Speaker 1>line of them sort of behaving a certain way, pursuing God,

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<v Speaker 1>having wisdom, and and and really it's the same qualification

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<v Speaker 1>that every pastor should have. So this plurality of of

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<v Speaker 1>of leaders should be the ones that govern the church.

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<v Speaker 2>So in our church, heritage church, and I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>this is the only way, but for us, we have

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<v Speaker 2>a group of elders that provide you know, spiritual wisdom

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the provisional leadership of the church. Within

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<v Speaker 2>that group, there are a significant number whose spiritual gifts

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<v Speaker 2>lean towards pastoral care, counseling, care ministry, you know, leadership,

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing. And then within that group, we

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<v Speaker 2>also have a group of overseers, these bishop types that

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<v Speaker 2>are providing management of the organization because we have very

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<v Speaker 2>large organizations, thousands and thousands of people, and so there

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<v Speaker 2>are some who are gifted with hands on care type ministry.

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<v Speaker 2>There are others who have supernatural spiritual gifts. The Bible

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<v Speaker 2>says of leadership and organization and that kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and so what we try to do is build a

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<v Speaker 2>plurality of leadership that then can give advice to because

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately Paul is saying, listen, i was the leader when

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<v Speaker 2>I was here, but now I'm not going to be here,

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<v Speaker 2>and you guys as a plural group need to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to lead this ministry well. And so you know

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<v Speaker 2>there is often the apostolic leader or the primary leader,

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<v Speaker 2>then there's a clustering around that leader. But Paul was

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<v Speaker 2>for hundreds of years not because of Paul, but because

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<v Speaker 2>balance in these areas. And I think that that's incredibly important.

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<v Speaker 2>those three things go together, so and the church thrived

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<v Speaker 2>because of it. So I think anytime I talk to

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<v Speaker 2>young church planters or anybody, I'm always encouraging them.

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<v Speaker 3>You need to build the whole thing. You're the pall, sure, right,

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<v Speaker 3>but dude.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not going to be strong and healthy unless you

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<v Speaker 2>build some spiritual age and maturity around you. That you

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<v Speaker 2>have some pastoral care built into this, providing care for

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<v Speaker 2>the people and protection and good leadership. And that it's

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<v Speaker 2>not fair to make one pastor have to have all

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<v Speaker 2>those things.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not reasonable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's the reason why a lot of churches crumble.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, because the way the ministry gets

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<v Speaker 2>too heavy. And by the way, I would say, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe that all those guys were being paid, And

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, Paul goes on and says, I wasn't getting paid, right, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not that you have to be a professional

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<v Speaker 2>elder or a professional overseer or a professional pastor. If

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<v Speaker 2>God's given you those gifts, use those gifts in your church.

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<v Speaker 2>You might be you might be a roofer, and God's

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<v Speaker 2>given you the ability to hang shingles so you can

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<v Speaker 2>fund the ministry you're doing. Paul was a tent maker,

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<v Speaker 2>and God gave him the ability to make tents so

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<v Speaker 2>he could fund the ministry of leading that church episode.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's interesting because I've heard people in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, one guy used to work on staff with

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<v Speaker 1>me at a church that I was previously at, and

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<v Speaker 1>he ended up leaving Detroit Detroit area move somewhere else,

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<v Speaker 1>and then somehow used you know, was able to come

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<v Speaker 1>back and reference Paul and said, well, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>Paul didn't get paid. He said, I have the belief

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<v Speaker 1>that no pastor should ever may yeah, it should make

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<v Speaker 1>any type of living or salary off of that. And

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<v Speaker 1>I just said, I said, you do realize that Paul

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<v Speaker 1>had different reasons and motivations.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Paul said pastors should be paid, right, He says that, so,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you got to read everything. The Bible is

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<v Speaker 2>its own best commentary.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, just because Paul didn't take a salary, Paul said

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<v Speaker 2>that pastors are worthy of especially those who teach the Word,

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<v Speaker 2>are worthy of double honor.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And that honor is not only speaking, He's talking that

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<v Speaker 2>whole passage is talking in the context of compensation, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And so Paul was saying that you know, Peter deserved it.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that even when.

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<v Speaker 2>He was telling the Corinthians that he didn't take money,

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<v Speaker 2>he was talking was the Galatians. He was saying Peter did.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's perfectly fine. He deserved it, right, And so

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<v Speaker 2>what you'd have to be doing is saying that Paul

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<v Speaker 2>was right and Peter was wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, it's correct, that's correct. But also what I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to say is that Paul also mentioned that

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why he didn't is he didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>give anybody any excuse because, after all, everybody was skeptical

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<v Speaker 1>of Saul right right back when he was sawd Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if he would have taken money, they would

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<v Speaker 1>have said, well, we know why he's doing this, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because so he went out of his way overboard, took

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<v Speaker 1>the extra step, went the extra mile to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that nobody had any excuse to speak against them and

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<v Speaker 1>his motives, which is why, and he's made that clear abundantly.

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<v Speaker 2>He mentions that the Thessalonians took care of him, so

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<v Speaker 2>he did take compensations sometimes, right, But people get obsessed

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<v Speaker 2>about the couple of times when he chose not to

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<v Speaker 2>take compensation, right, right, that's convenient.

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<v Speaker 3>It's convenient, right.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bible's its own best commentary. If you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>use Paul as proof of something, you better know everything

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<v Speaker 2>Paul said right right.

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<v Speaker 1>And to your point his interaction with Peter about that topic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyways, that that's another issue. But then he goes

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<v Speaker 2>out and he's encouraging them Verse thirty one.

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<v Speaker 3>Watch out.

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<v Speaker 2>He's remembered that for three years I was protecting you,

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<v Speaker 2>but now you guys need to protect And there's an

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<v Speaker 2>expectation that believers grow in their faith to the point

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<v Speaker 2>that you can protect your family spiritually, you can yourself spiritually.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what this is I think he's talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>So he says, I'm intrusting to you this message now.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how the gospel has spread for two thousand years,

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<v Speaker 2>is that the leaders that came before us have entrusted

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<v Speaker 2>us with the gospel, and now we have to be

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<v Speaker 2>handing it off to the next generation.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's great. Just as a reminder to our readers,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be finishing up the Book of Acts

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<v Speaker 1>next week. We're in Acts twenty one starting on Monday.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And after all, this whole entire study was a chronological

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<v Speaker 1>walk through the Book of Acts, breaking off where Paul

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<v Speaker 1>would have written, for instance, Romans, which we just read

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<v Speaker 1>and spent time in and came back.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>So we gets pretty crazy for Paul here in the

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<v Speaker 2>next couple chapters

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<v Speaker 1>It does, and so hopefully we'll see you then the

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<v Speaker 1>next time on the Bible, guys,