In this episode of The Intersection, Dr. J is joined by Dr. Lee C. Camp—author of Scandalous Witness: A Little Political Manifesto for Christians, professor, speaker, and host of the No Small Endeavor podcast—for an honest conversation at the crossroads of Christian faith, nationalism, and public life—a crossroads often crowded with slogans, pride, and selective memory.
Rather than treating Christian nationalism as a new cultural outbreak, the conversation situates it as an old reflex with deep historical roots. Together, Justin and Lee explore the persistent tension between the gospel and the nation-state, probing how faith becomes distorted when it is conscripted into political projects. Along the way, they challenge the myth of America as a “Christian nation,” arguing that honest historical accountability is not an act of disloyalty but a form of love; one that refuses nostalgia in favor of truth-telling. Drawing from theology, history, and social ethics, the episode presses toward a nonpartisan Christianity shaped by orthodoxy rather than fallen ideology. Lee makes the case that the gospel is not merely publicly relevant but inherently political in its demands for justice, mercy, and love of neighbor—especially when those demands unsettle myths and arbitrary boundaries of belonging.
This conversation resists both culture-war outrage and disengaged piety. It calls listeners to historical awareness, civic humility, and faithful presence, reminding us that the past is never past—and that Christian witness becomes most compelling when it refuses power grabs in favor of costly truth. If you’re tired of syncetism, shallow patriotism, or faith reduced to tribalized stories, this episode offers clarity, conviction, and a more honest way forward.